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	<title>Comments on: Atlanta Braves: Tim Hudson&#8217;s 2010 &#8216;hometown discount&#8217; offer &#8212; worth it or not in the long run for team&#8217;s good?</title>
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		<title>By: John Tucker</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Tucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The braves do not need to add another $10 mil per year to payroll unless it is for a right-handed bat. But, Hudson is better than Lowe and Kawakami; and if bothe could be traded, or just Lowe, then re-signing Hudson would be great.

But, adding Huddy to an already pitching-heavy patroll would make it difficult for the braves to add a good righty bat like Hiliday or Bay ro anyone via trade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The braves do not need to add another $10 mil per year to payroll unless it is for a right-handed bat. But, Hudson is better than Lowe and Kawakami; and if bothe could be traded, or just Lowe, then re-signing Hudson would be great.</p>
<p>But, adding Huddy to an already pitching-heavy patroll would make it difficult for the braves to add a good righty bat like Hiliday or Bay ro anyone via trade.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lineup for 2010

SS Escabar
2B Prado
CF Mclouth
3B C. Jones
C  McCann
LF Adam Dunn
RF Diaz
1B Laroche

Pitching:

Vasquez
JJ
Hanson
Hudson
Maybe Billingsey from LA send Lowe back to LA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lineup for 2010</p>
<p>SS Escabar<br />
2B Prado<br />
CF Mclouth<br />
3B C. Jones<br />
C  McCann<br />
LF Adam Dunn<br />
RF Diaz<br />
1B Laroche</p>
<p>Pitching:</p>
<p>Vasquez<br />
JJ<br />
Hanson<br />
Hudson<br />
Maybe Billingsey from LA send Lowe back to LA.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say trade KK an Kelly Johnson, an cash to the Nats for Adam Dunn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say trade KK an Kelly Johnson, an cash to the Nats for Adam Dunn.</p>
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		<title>By: heartofdarkness</title>
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		<dc:creator>heartofdarkness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huddy, what ever some one pays you for next year, you will be worth it and more.  You were a good teammate, a good guy, a hard worker and  fun to watch.  Good luck, however it plays out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huddy, what ever some one pays you for next year, you will be worth it and more.  You were a good teammate, a good guy, a hard worker and  fun to watch.  Good luck, however it plays out.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone remember Jermaine Dye, Or Kevin Millwood, What about Wilson Betimite.  All good players, Wilson was great in the lineup an could have taken over 3B in a heartbeat. The braves GM&#039;s do not hold onto their good players, An then we blame the players an boo them for not staying in atlanta.  But weve already seen how the braves treat their players, I mean come on. Anyone remember Chris Hammond? He came out of their bullpen an was the best pitcher in the NL in that year with the braves, after that year he was gone! Even Denny Neagle! We all can name names, Smoltz, Glavine, Justice, Grissom, Who knows how many rings we would have if we have kept all these guys.  The braves fans cannot honestly say that the braves have made 1 single trade that has worked out for them at all! It doesnt matter how good the player was, If it didnt work out in the end then it doesnt matter anyway!  Im so glad that Bobby Cox is gone after this year, Joe Torre&#039;s contract is over next year also maybe he will join the club!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone remember Jermaine Dye, Or Kevin Millwood, What about Wilson Betimite.  All good players, Wilson was great in the lineup an could have taken over 3B in a heartbeat. The braves GM&#8217;s do not hold onto their good players, An then we blame the players an boo them for not staying in atlanta.  But weve already seen how the braves treat their players, I mean come on. Anyone remember Chris Hammond? He came out of their bullpen an was the best pitcher in the NL in that year with the braves, after that year he was gone! Even Denny Neagle! We all can name names, Smoltz, Glavine, Justice, Grissom, Who knows how many rings we would have if we have kept all these guys.  The braves fans cannot honestly say that the braves have made 1 single trade that has worked out for them at all! It doesnt matter how good the player was, If it didnt work out in the end then it doesnt matter anyway!  Im so glad that Bobby Cox is gone after this year, Joe Torre&#8217;s contract is over next year also maybe he will join the club!</p>
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		<title>By: Keith B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 04:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sitting here looking at some of the posts in disbelief !  Obviously, some posters were looking at a different baseball club than I was.

If you take away the non-producers on the team, you will LITERALLY save about half of the team&#039;s payroll.  

Let&#039;s start with Derrick Lowe.  Wins don&#039;t mean jack.  Wins mean your team got more runs on that particular day.  The fact is, his ERA was by far the worst of any of the Braves starting pitchers.  Trade him, cut him, do whatever you have to do, but let that monkey go.  He AIN&#039;T going to help you win a pennant.  ERA near 4.6 for $15 million a year.

Next, we part ways with Choker Jones and his $10 million salary.  He hit roughly .230 the last 2/3 of the year, yet Bobby Cox would have rather slapped his own mother than to move him from the Number 3 spot.  I thought the object of baseball was to give your hottest hitters the most chances to bat in a game.  Apparently, Bobby believes otherwise.

Let Soriano and his $6 million contract walk.

The Braves need to shop for a big bat and let Kawakami and his $8.34 contact go elsewhere.

Bobby&#039;s talking about Kelly Johnson at 2nd base next year, after his .220 season and his $2.8 million?  Bobby, lay off the weed, Dawg!  The fans want to win whether you do or not.  If you no longer can analyze performance and salaries, you need to take YOUR wrinkled rear end on out of town, also.

Throw in Church (who did very little at $2.8 mil, was it?), Norton of course, and Carlyle.  What you have left will be the nucleus that put 86 wins on the board this year that you can build on next year.

And Bobby, quit picking your nose during the games and quit smoking the weed.  Play to win this year and don&#039;t wait until two months left to go in the season before you quit managing like its still Spring Training.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sitting here looking at some of the posts in disbelief !  Obviously, some posters were looking at a different baseball club than I was.</p>
<p>If you take away the non-producers on the team, you will LITERALLY save about half of the team&#8217;s payroll.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s start with Derrick Lowe.  Wins don&#8217;t mean jack.  Wins mean your team got more runs on that particular day.  The fact is, his ERA was by far the worst of any of the Braves starting pitchers.  Trade him, cut him, do whatever you have to do, but let that monkey go.  He AIN&#8217;T going to help you win a pennant.  ERA near 4.6 for $15 million a year.</p>
<p>Next, we part ways with Choker Jones and his $10 million salary.  He hit roughly .230 the last 2/3 of the year, yet Bobby Cox would have rather slapped his own mother than to move him from the Number 3 spot.  I thought the object of baseball was to give your hottest hitters the most chances to bat in a game.  Apparently, Bobby believes otherwise.</p>
<p>Let Soriano and his $6 million contract walk.</p>
<p>The Braves need to shop for a big bat and let Kawakami and his $8.34 contact go elsewhere.</p>
<p>Bobby&#8217;s talking about Kelly Johnson at 2nd base next year, after his .220 season and his $2.8 million?  Bobby, lay off the weed, Dawg!  The fans want to win whether you do or not.  If you no longer can analyze performance and salaries, you need to take YOUR wrinkled rear end on out of town, also.</p>
<p>Throw in Church (who did very little at $2.8 mil, was it?), Norton of course, and Carlyle.  What you have left will be the nucleus that put 86 wins on the board this year that you can build on next year.</p>
<p>And Bobby, quit picking your nose during the games and quit smoking the weed.  Play to win this year and don&#8217;t wait until two months left to go in the season before you quit managing like its still Spring Training.</p>
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		<title>By: BIOMASS</title>
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		<dc:creator>BIOMASS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bvillebaron, a few points.

How can you not want someone that had Vazquez&#039;s season?  He put up those numbers pitching for an inept, anemic offense.  Hardly a chance of post season the whole year (except for the early Sept streak).  He is a strikeout machine.  He is on the top of his game.  He is peaking.

Hudson looks frail to me.  I think his light frame is catching up to him.  I&#039;ve seen him literally melt on some of those scorching mid-summer days.  Now, with the surgery, I&#039;m a bit uneasy with his long term value to the team.
 
I certainly wouldn&#039;t mind Hudson staying, as long as they keep Vazquez.  It will be interesting to see what happens with the starting pitching.  Something has to give.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bvillebaron, a few points.</p>
<p>How can you not want someone that had Vazquez&#8217;s season?  He put up those numbers pitching for an inept, anemic offense.  Hardly a chance of post season the whole year (except for the early Sept streak).  He is a strikeout machine.  He is on the top of his game.  He is peaking.</p>
<p>Hudson looks frail to me.  I think his light frame is catching up to him.  I&#8217;ve seen him literally melt on some of those scorching mid-summer days.  Now, with the surgery, I&#8217;m a bit uneasy with his long term value to the team.</p>
<p>I certainly wouldn&#8217;t mind Hudson staying, as long as they keep Vazquez.  It will be interesting to see what happens with the starting pitching.  Something has to give.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would...

1) Sign Hudson long-term

2) Keep Vazquez one more year, resign him if the situation arises, otherwise let him go via free agency after 2010.  If they suck it up next year, he would be awesome mid-season trade bait.

3) Trade Lowe for a bullpen depth (don&#039;t think they will be able to do this though)

4) Let Kawakami take the #5 spot in the rotation, if he pitches well, great.  If not, give Medlen a shot and move Kawakami to long relief.

None of this will matter if they don&#039;t add more offense and a few stable bullpen arms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would&#8230;</p>
<p>1) Sign Hudson long-term</p>
<p>2) Keep Vazquez one more year, resign him if the situation arises, otherwise let him go via free agency after 2010.  If they suck it up next year, he would be awesome mid-season trade bait.</p>
<p>3) Trade Lowe for a bullpen depth (don&#8217;t think they will be able to do this though)</p>
<p>4) Let Kawakami take the #5 spot in the rotation, if he pitches well, great.  If not, give Medlen a shot and move Kawakami to long relief.</p>
<p>None of this will matter if they don&#8217;t add more offense and a few stable bullpen arms.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t mind the Braves keeping a few veteran pitchers.  Even if they don&#039;t provide Cy Young worthy seasons, they still serve a valuable role of mentoring the younger guys.  Jurrjens said himself he added a weapon (high fastball) because of working with Vazquez.  But I wouldn&#039;t keep Lowe, Vazquez, Hudson and Kawakami.  That&#039;s too much money tied up in excess starting pitching that needs to be used elsewhere.  I would still love to see Medlen get a shot at the 5th spot in the rotation, but that won&#039;t happen with all the other pitchers they have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t mind the Braves keeping a few veteran pitchers.  Even if they don&#8217;t provide Cy Young worthy seasons, they still serve a valuable role of mentoring the younger guys.  Jurrjens said himself he added a weapon (high fastball) because of working with Vazquez.  But I wouldn&#8217;t keep Lowe, Vazquez, Hudson and Kawakami.  That&#8217;s too much money tied up in excess starting pitching that needs to be used elsewhere.  I would still love to see Medlen get a shot at the 5th spot in the rotation, but that won&#8217;t happen with all the other pitchers they have.</p>
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		<title>By: bvillebaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>bvillebaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Biomass:

Your argument for giving Vazquez the edge is that Hudson had a bad year in 2006?  That&#039;s fine and he did (ERA of 4.86).  However, you conveniently overlooked the following:

(1) The ONLY other time Hudson&#039;s ERA was over 4 was his second season, 1999 (4.14);

(2) His ERA was 3.33 in 2007 and 3.17 in 2008 before TJ surgery;

(3) Huddy pitched very well in 2009 (ERA of 3.61) despite having only 7 starts and without the benefit of spring training;

(4) Hudson&#039;s CAREER ERA is 3.48 whereas Vazquez is 4.20;

(5) Vazquez&#039;s ERA in 2006 was 4.84 while pitching with the Yankees;

(6) Before this year, Vazquez&#039;s ERA was over 4 from 2004 through 2008, with the exception of 2007 when it was 3.74;

(7) I don&#039;t ever recall any manager pulling Hudson from the rotation during a pennant run because he lost confidence in his ability and then trading him in the offseason for the same reason which is what the Chisox did with Vazquez this past offseason;

(8) Vazquez only is signed for 1 more year; and

(9) The Braves would get no compensation if they don&#039;t re-sign Hudson.

Trust me, I would prefer that the Braves keep both Hudson and Vazquez, if possible.  However, if the money situation and the tradeability of other candidates makes it such that the choice is whether to keep Hudson or Vazquez, I think fans need to look at the broader picture and not just what Vazquez did this past season. If you do, keeping Hudson should be an absolute no brainer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Biomass:</p>
<p>Your argument for giving Vazquez the edge is that Hudson had a bad year in 2006?  That&#8217;s fine and he did (ERA of 4.86).  However, you conveniently overlooked the following:</p>
<p>(1) The ONLY other time Hudson&#8217;s ERA was over 4 was his second season, 1999 (4.14);</p>
<p>(2) His ERA was 3.33 in 2007 and 3.17 in 2008 before TJ surgery;</p>
<p>(3) Huddy pitched very well in 2009 (ERA of 3.61) despite having only 7 starts and without the benefit of spring training;</p>
<p>(4) Hudson&#8217;s CAREER ERA is 3.48 whereas Vazquez is 4.20;</p>
<p>(5) Vazquez&#8217;s ERA in 2006 was 4.84 while pitching with the Yankees;</p>
<p>(6) Before this year, Vazquez&#8217;s ERA was over 4 from 2004 through 2008, with the exception of 2007 when it was 3.74;</p>
<p>(7) I don&#8217;t ever recall any manager pulling Hudson from the rotation during a pennant run because he lost confidence in his ability and then trading him in the offseason for the same reason which is what the Chisox did with Vazquez this past offseason;</p>
<p>(8) Vazquez only is signed for 1 more year; and</p>
<p>(9) The Braves would get no compensation if they don&#8217;t re-sign Hudson.</p>
<p>Trust me, I would prefer that the Braves keep both Hudson and Vazquez, if possible.  However, if the money situation and the tradeability of other candidates makes it such that the choice is whether to keep Hudson or Vazquez, I think fans need to look at the broader picture and not just what Vazquez did this past season. If you do, keeping Hudson should be an absolute no brainer.</p>
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