Atlanta Braves: Tim Hudson’s 2010 ‘hometown discount’ offer — worth it or not in the long run for team’s good?

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Braves starter Tim Hudson says he’s willing to give the team a ‘hometown discount’ and that “I’ve said all along that Atlanta was the place I want to be” but the veteran righty also says “I just hope when we start talking, my idea of a hometown discount and their idea of a hometown discount isn’t 5 or 8 million [dollars] apart.”

YOU TELL US: If Hudson and the Braves can agree on a ‘hometown discount’ that’s suitable to both parties, would you be happy with the 34-year-old, who boasts a career 148-78 record, staying here? Or, while the hometown discount offer is nice, is it time for the Braves to move on and get younger?

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TampaDawg86

October 15th, 2009
1:13 pm

Move on and get younger. Who knows if his arm is going to stay healthy and since he’s been here he hasn’t been the lights out pitcher he was for the A’s!

samuel

October 15th, 2009
1:14 pm

do it huddy is the man and showed he can come back from the toughest surgery a pitcher can go through. 9 mil a year for 3 years will give us good control over him and if his stuff goes to hell hes not that expensive so i wont hurt much

1eyedJack

October 15th, 2009
1:15 pm

Keep him. He will be stronger and better next year. 34 is not old in baseball any more. If you want to get rid of someone, might I suggest Lowe or Kawakami. And of course, Greg Norton.

Carroll Rogers Sux

October 15th, 2009
1:16 pm

bring hudson back if he goes for 10 a year. 10 a year for 3 plus some kind of stupid 4th year option. He’ll sign. It’s sad to say but that’s a bargain.

oh & well I’ll be damned

2nd

Carroll Rogers Sux

October 15th, 2009
1:17 pm

i guess it was 4th

wayn-o

October 15th, 2009
1:21 pm

Drop Lowe & KK. Keep Hudson & Vasquez!

VaBraveFan

October 15th, 2009
1:26 pm

3 year deal around the same as Kawakami, between 5-7 mil a year, if that doesnt work let him go, we have more pressing needs right now… 1st base, Outfield, Bullpen. i just dont see how resigning Hudson leaves us a good amoutn of room to resign Rochy and add a outfielder and figure the bullpen out. think about it this way , if Huddy does resign look for one of the startes to be dealt.
Vasquez or Kawakami possibly Lowe one of them would be dealt. If there is a pitcher this team needs to lock up for a few more years its Javy, give him a 2 yr extension at 12 mil a year, let Hudson walk, we still have a full rotation with Medlen and JoJo as fill in candidates if someone goes down. Kawakami dad a great job considering it was his 1st season in the majors and the first time he’s work in a five man rotation compared to the 6 man in japan. KK we should keep. Lowe will be hard to trade, maybe not even worth trading him considering we would have to eat alot of contract, but its Derek Lowe the guy can pitch his A$$ off and win games, he just had a off year, but still won games. Bottom Line This team needs another right handed hitter to bat cleanup behind Chipper.

checkthefacts

October 15th, 2009
1:26 pm

I think you gotta keep Huddy and you’ve got to find a way to move one of the other high priced starters, take that money and roll it over into two moderately priced hitters (LaRoche being the first and a respectable bat in left). I’m thinking (wishful thinking?) you can keep Hudson for 8-10Mil per, and i could be far off here, but with the fall in revenue being a good arguing point for the clubs and him coming off of rehab I could easily see this being in the Braves favor going in. The problem is moving one of the two higher priced starters off the roster. I think Lowe and Kawakami are your target guys to move, and out of the two i’d personally prefer to keep the Chunichi Dragon and move Lowe. I think KK only gets better, where Lowe is the drastically more expensive one, and also was only a luke warm pitcher for us. KK is two years younger as well, and he was pitching really well after the all star break.

fieldofdreams

October 15th, 2009
1:37 pm

Hudson’s just posturing, to try and improve his negotiating stance with Frank Wren. Make no mistake, professional athletes and the agents that represent them, play ball for the money. Remember John Smoltz and Tom Glavine. Let’s use the money we save by passing on Hudson’s option to secure a right-handed power hitter for left field, or a reliable closer.

Andrew

October 15th, 2009
1:43 pm

i would only let hudson walk if we cant trade lowe or kawakami…if we cant there is not way you can bring back hudson..kawakami would be making 7 million from the pen..we need to get a slugger not doubt about it…also gonzo or soriono must come back..we need one of them..

Mark Biles

October 15th, 2009
1:46 pm

Keep Huddy. We’ve got a shot of having four 15-20 win starters next year with Hudson, Lowe, Vasquez, and Hanson if we get a big RH bat. I would trade KK for whatever we can get for him. It would at least dump some salary and we could may be get a good reliever or two for him . Make Medlen the 5th starter and go for a big RH bat with the salary savings.

mexican-brave

October 15th, 2009
1:51 pm

WHAT ABOUT JAIR JURRJENS mark biles?

VaBraveFan

October 15th, 2009
1:55 pm

They should try and resign Gonzo to be the closer, 2 yr deal between 4-6 mil a year.

Let Huddy go use the money else where. Closer, LaRoche Unless another starter is traded for a Power Bat!

Most likely will be a trade of some sort to add a right handed power bat, considering we wont be seeing Bay or Holliday in a Atlanta Uni. By not resigning Huddy we wouldnt have a strong position for a trading piece. Wren gots a job ahead of him this offseason. We need a real cleanup hitter that bats Right and plays Left Field, McLouth in CF and Diaz in RF until Heyward is called up.

CF McLouth
RF Diaz/Heyward
3B Chipper
LF New Guy
C McCann
SS Yunel
1B LaRoche
2B Prado

Diaz should prolly bat 8th when he plays and Prado batting 2nd, Heyward should bat 2nd in front of Chipper to see good pitches. Is McLouth our best option at Leadoff??

VaBraveFan

October 15th, 2009
2:00 pm

Trading Jurrjens wouldnt be a bad idea (listen dont bash me yet)

Jurrjen’s value is so high he could land a RH power hitter and maybe a couple prospects.
Pitching will be low in free agency and teams would be lining up offers for Jair, we do have control of the young ace for like 3 more years but he is a BORIS Client and most likley will leave ATL.
Something like, Jurrjens for N.Cruz and Holland from the Rangers there are plenty of other teams that could make a trade work.

Sonny Clusters

October 15th, 2009
2:06 pm

What dummies, we was saying Hudson has got to go. We need more starters like Kawakami.

Hoosier Aaron

October 15th, 2009
2:16 pm

As long as the terms work within the budget – I think we’ve gotta keep Hudson. You can never have too much pitching.

I agree that KK is going to get better. I (personally) think the guy is a winner….the better his mound opponent the better he pitched.

Unless the offer is Pujols – JJ isn’t going anywhere….he’s an ACE!

hawesg

October 15th, 2009
2:20 pm

Hudson is worth at least $10M on the market based on what we saw down the stretch. He will have a whole winter to get his arm stronger and should be a Co-Co-Co Ace with Vazquez, Hanson and Jurrjens. Lowe is the guy you want to move, even if you have to eat some salary or get marginal prospects back to do it. Nothing against Lowe – who eats innings and gets wins – but Hudson is a better pitcher than Lowe right now and will be better than Lowe in three years when both or their presumed contracts will be up.

SnakeDawg

October 15th, 2009
2:21 pm

Bottom line……..Move Kawakami and/or Lowe any day of the week before Huddy and please extend Vasquez’s contract. VaBraveFan you’re nuts trading Jurrjens and Gonzo is not a post season pitcher.

Heard it all before

October 15th, 2009
2:25 pm

Let him walk with thanks and gratitude, and invest the money on acquiring batting power and speed on the free-agent market or as salary for a player on trade. Pitching was not what held this ballclub back this year; put this year’s starting rotation into play next year with improved offense, and you’re talking about a playoff team. No one else in the starting rotation you’d consider unloading has trade potential (either paid too much, not a 1-3 starter candidate, or you’d be crazy to let them go).

Kevrock/Smarty Jones

October 15th, 2009
2:26 pm

I agree somewhat w/ VA Braves fan. With Boras we lose him (JJ) and get only 2 draft picks. Now since we have lost Roy Clark….It might make sense. Atlanta is a mid market team and always will be. It would have to be a stellar offer and a hitter & top, top prospects…NOW on the flip side we could offer him a great offer after this year…depending on his record of course and lock him up….very interesting…OF course trading slow/lowe and KK would be super ideal. Lowe is going to be a hard trade because of his huge contract and we would have to eat some of it or give up a top prospect…we will see…

ChrisfromSacramento,CA

October 15th, 2009
2:29 pm

I dont care if they sign Huddy. JUST GET A POWER HITTER! PLEASE!!

Joe

October 15th, 2009
2:37 pm

Keep Tim Hudson But try to trade Kenshin Kawakami. I don’t think they are going to be able to trade Derek Lowe cause of his contract no team in their right mind would take on that contract.

The Braves Starting Rotation should look like this.
Javier Vasquez
Jair Jurrjens
Tommy Hanson
Tim Hudson
Derek Lowe

BIOMASS

October 15th, 2009
2:38 pm

If it’s between Hudson and Javier Vasquez, keep Vasquez. If they can trade Lowe, trade him and keep Hudson and Vasquez. They have to keep Vasquez.

matt

October 15th, 2009
2:44 pm

WOuld love to have Huddy. Problem is any money spent on him, whether its a discount or not is money that could be spent to bolster the lineup. If they can get rid of Lowe and/or Kawakami then obviously that would free up a lot. Not sure how feasable that is.

PMC

October 15th, 2009
2:49 pm

Are you kidding? Of course keep him. The guy is an Ace. No single bat they could pickup in free agency is of his value. They need him AND they need a leadoff batter with speed and they need a clean up hitter… that is if they hope to compete next year. If not. Just keep plodding along with nothing and enjoy seeing empty seats.

ProScout

October 15th, 2009
2:50 pm

Vabravesfan- why not keep JJ 2 more years and then do something along the lines of what was done with Texiera? A team making a playoff push would welcome a trade for him, most likely. With any run support JJ would have a Cy Young award and at least one 20 win season, maybe 18. You can’t start dumping your best players because you doubt you’ll be able to resign them in 3-4 years. Using that mentality you would always be planning for the future. Sooner or later the future has to be now.

Supes

October 15th, 2009
2:51 pm

Same thing is/was discussed on the DOB blog. Just thought you’d like to know.

No need to repeat myself here…but good discussion on this topic took place on the DOB blog yesterday.

pinkygonzales

October 15th, 2009
2:51 pm

I disagree with VA Brave. It’s not just that Jurrjens is under team control. It is also that he is remarkably cheap, and we are going to need cheap starters for the foreseeable future if we are going to spend whatever money we have on offense. If we need to trade him, at least wait until he is arbitration eligible. He and Javy were our best pitchers this year. And he makes less than $500,000. You don’t trade that guy. We cannot afford to spend money on a bat and trade J.J. We have to get rid of some salary if we are going to gain a bat. That means Lowe, Vazquez or Kawakami (preferably Lowe). It’s our only option.

Matt

October 15th, 2009
2:51 pm

Is Holliday up for FA? How long did the Cards get him for? He would like nice in the heart of the lineup with Chipper/McCann/Holliday

bravesfan

October 15th, 2009
2:52 pm

I know its not the popular idea, but Chipper should retire. He has a yearly breakdown and can’t carry the team anymore. He is expensive. The Braves need to decide if their in a rebuild or win now mode. If win now, sign Hudson, if not pass and trade Lowe(bad signing) also. I know this is not the popular route, but I would go younger and build from the farm and smart trades.

ProScout

October 15th, 2009
2:53 pm

Pinky- you’re smarter than most on here.

Matt

October 15th, 2009
2:56 pm

Yeah Chipper is kinda old and feeble to be collecting that kind of money and hitting 3rd. 5th maybe, but not 3rd. I’m thinking they signed him to make up for the PR nightmare that happened due to the Smoltz debacle.

F-105 Thunderchief

October 15th, 2009
3:06 pm

Dumb question. He’s 70 games over .500. He’s got several productive years left. He’s a good leader and capable pitcher. If you both side can be happy on money, why wouldn’t you sign him? Is “getting younger” for its own sake a sound strategy for building a winning team? Again, stupid question.

J-man

October 15th, 2009
3:11 pm

Does nobody here understand how pathetic it is that we are actually having this conversation? Back when Ted Turner actually owned the team, the answer to this would have been a resounding “Yes” to bringing back Hudson and they would have found some way to use KK and Lowe or trade them. Now it’s a bunch of whining about how “If we sign Hudson, we’ll have to trade Vazquez or KK or Lowe to save money”. This is a big part of the reason as to why there have been zero World Series championships since Ted Turner was the true owner and why the team hasn’t been back to the World Series in 10 years.

Doug B

October 15th, 2009
3:12 pm

question is: What is a hometown discount?

F-105 Thunderchief

October 15th, 2009
3:13 pm

Trading Jurrjens would be like trading a young Smoltz. You’d have to get one heck of a lot do make that move. I mean more than we gave Texas for Texeira.

Braves McWhatnot

October 15th, 2009
3:13 pm

I’d like to keep Hudson and trade Lowe for a power hitting, right handed outfielder if at possible. And throw Manny Acosta in with Lowe to “sweeten” the deal for the outfielder.

Albert the Alligator

October 15th, 2009
3:14 pm

They need to go to my Pay by Performance Theory. Here it is: The player gets a base salary topping of at a million dollars for the top players. Then you put in performance incentives by each player and their position. A starting pitcher for example would have wins, innings pitched, and appearences in games to name a few. These incentives would be very generous. This way if a pitcher goes down in the first month of the season the team doesn’t get stuck paying a huge sum for the player sitting on the bench. He gets his base salary which will be plenty to live on. Besides the average American family has a yearly income of 45,000 so the hurt pitcher getting paid a million dollars or four hundred thousand dollars is more than enough to live on. This system would help the fans too. The concession prices would go down as well as ticket prices.

gt

October 15th, 2009
3:14 pm

HE IS WAY BETTER THAN OTHERS ON THIS STAFF, INCLUDING LOWE AND VASQUEZ, AND ALL THE RELIEVERS COMBINED AND TRIPLED.

F-105 Thunderchief

October 15th, 2009
3:16 pm

A hometown discount means the player likes where he is and will take less money to stay. In Hudson’s case, he grew up not too far away, too.

How long before Liberty Media can sell the team and collect all the tax breaks it bought the team for in the first place?

bravesfan

October 15th, 2009
3:16 pm

The main problem with signing and resigning these 30 something year old players over and over is that we are just a middle of the pack team and if we did make the playoffs, it would be 3 and out. Bite the bullet and puts some younger players with McCann and Prado and go from there.

LogicMan

October 15th, 2009
3:17 pm

You must not bring Hudson back. You have to also try and trade Lowe. That gives us 4 good starters: J.J., Vaz, Hanson, K.K. ( not a bad rotation ) You then must resign Roachy. Infield = Roachy, Prado, Escobar, Chipper ( not a bad infield ) Outfield = Nate, Jason, Matty and whoever we get in trade/free agent market. Bullpen needs updating as Soriano and Gonzo leave. Maybe an addition here by trade. K.J., Norton must leave. **unpopular but trade “Chipper” while we can get multiple prospects now and not wait a couple of years when he will be useless.

Space Monkey

October 15th, 2009
3:21 pm

Not if it costs us Vazquez.

Tami

October 15th, 2009
3:22 pm

One word: YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NY BRAVES FAN

October 15th, 2009
3:29 pm

Yes, we should sign Hudson for the following reasons
1) You can never have enough starting pitching
2) Everyone is always looking for pitching, so having this surplus will help the Braves either this year or the next. They will have the ability to potentially trade a pitcher to either help the team now or get younger.

andy

October 15th, 2009
3:35 pm

sign him to a one year with an option for a second. Put in some performance incentives. we need a solid foundation on staff.

Big Al

October 15th, 2009
3:36 pm

If Hudson could be signed for $8 million or so, then I would sign him and trade Vasquez for a big bat and maybe some bullpen help. I would then move KK to the bullpen. If Gonzo and Soriano both leave, then Moylan could be the closer and KK could be the 7th or 8th inning guy.

Possible rotation:
Jurrgens
Hanson
Lowe
Hudson
Campillo ???

Possible Bullpen:
Moylan (closer if Gonzo and Soriano both leave)
KK
O’Flaherty
Medlan
Acosta ????
Parr ????
Carlyle ???
Logan ???

Yep, bullpen is going to need some work.

ron

October 15th, 2009
3:39 pm

he’s headed to boston without a doubt.

Braves73

October 15th, 2009
3:44 pm

The decision to keep Hudson will be a difficult one because of uncertainty, money, and other glaring needs. Also, the Braves (if they choose not to offer) would weaken their position of strength (pitching). I believe that Huddy would be a better fit long term than say Lowe, but the Braves are stuck with Lowe’s contract. Kawakami is intriguing, he certainly got better as the year progressed and it’s not easy going from the Japan to the majors (especially the strike zone and learning hitters). It will probably come down to numbers, can they fit Hudson’s salary with their projected payroll.

If it were up to me, I would test the market with Tim’s agent, see if you can get “a hometown discount” and re sign him to a three to four year deal (on the cheap). This would prove to be a huge asset for the Braves, who in turn could keep or package him in a deal for a much needed bat.

kev

October 15th, 2009
3:49 pm

Keep hudson, Keep LaRoach, Let go off Norton, Trade Lowe, Pick up Smoltz as setup to Who ever.
Get a Vet power hitter then we will be in the mix.