Atlanta Braves: Another loss to the Padres… should we wave bye-bye to our Wild Card chances?

Two nights at the Ted, two losses to the last-place NL West Padres.

YOU TELL US: Have the Braves just blown their Wild Card chances? How can these playoff hopes be saved?

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Bill

August 27th, 2009
9:09 am

Yes. The players themselves are good enough to win the Division and make the playoffs. The uninspirational Bobby Cox will hold them back. How can this team lose so many games to the ‘dregs of the National League. Let’s hope its his last season. Let’s hope he retires and is not fired.

George Holman

August 27th, 2009
9:09 am

After watching last night’s game, it’s over. It has been a great season, and the Braves are on the right track, but I see no way the Braves can catch the Rockies, Giants, Dodgers, etc. for the wild card. I always remain slightly hopeful, but after watching the last two nights against the Padres, of all teams, it’s time to face the facts and think about next year.

Rick

August 27th, 2009
9:12 am

I am a huge Braves fan and hate to say, but the’re done. It’s time to move on and look to next year.

Slick Willard

August 27th, 2009
9:17 am

These overpaid chumps ought to wear a blindfold when they back up to receive their paychecks. I’ve never witnessed such disinterest in winning. To hell with all of them!

Tommy Gavin

August 27th, 2009
9:23 am

Up in Smoke…..

VT

August 27th, 2009
9:30 am

I just haven’t seen the sense of urgency from the team. Their attitude of “it’s okay we can just win tomorrow” isn’t cutting it anymore. I watched the Rockies v Giants extra inning game and it felt like the Rockies never gave up, and that they had to win that game. I don’t see that desire from the Bravos. They need to play playoff baseball everyday, andplay like each game is a must win.

George

August 27th, 2009
9:31 am

You win a few, you lose a few and a few get rained out. Too many losses mean no playoffs. Just don’t make excuses and get ready for next season.

PMC

August 27th, 2009
9:38 am

They never were really in reach for this team. It’s not a playoff team and they haven’t hit like one for more than a week this year. They don’t yet have the composition of a playoff team where the bulk of the players on the team are in their prime. If they win 85-88 games it’s still a huge success of a year for what they are, heck if they win 83 it’s a huge improvement from what they were last year. It takes time to build… some of the pieces they thought they had didn’t turn out. Sometimes you end up going through broken eggs a few before you get a cake you like.

im4ball

August 27th, 2009
9:47 am

While anything is possible, this Braves team does not seem to have the clutch hitting necessary to compete down the stretch.

We fans are also tired of excuses; it is one thing for a player to know that they didnt get the job done, after the fact and it is another to execute in the heat of battle. For example, Kawakame says he was not tired but that he should have changed his pitch sequence around when seeing the hitters for a third time. Well………………..?! Don’t talk about it after the fact, do it in the game!

This happens far to often with the Braves and while we appreciate candor, what we want more is execution. Cox is typically a hands of manager with players during the game but if the players arent going to execute, it is time for someone to take control and make them do the right thing at the right time. Granted, Cox cant stand in the box and hit or on the mound and pitch but he can remind them of their job and how to perform it correctly.

People use youth as an excuse for this team not doing the right things at the ight time but that is just not true. First, there are enough major league veterens on the team to help the younger ones plus, every player has been playing ball since they were 4 or 5 years old and by now should have learned how to handle most every situation. If they havent then I would suggest they hang up their cleats. There is a huge line of players who do know the game and would give about anything to play major league baseball.

cphizzle

August 27th, 2009
9:49 am

game…set…match, call me crazy but i think this team is finished.

Joey

August 27th, 2009
9:51 am

Yes it’s over. I’m a big Chipper fan and it’s sad for me to say it, but I sure wish the Braves hadn’t extended his contract. He really is now a below average infielder. Way too many errors and no clutch hitting. What other supposedly in-shape professional athlete in the world would say, “I’m just tired.”? Tired of what? Throwing a ball, hitting a ball, running to first base? How pampered can someone get? It just made me sick to hear him say something like that. Obviously just hanging around for the $$$$. Bobby should give him some rest all right, a month’s worth. But no, he just keeps sticking his tired butt in the 3rd spot night after night….

Joe

August 27th, 2009
9:55 am

5 words should sum up this season. Cox has got to go!

Mack

August 27th, 2009
9:59 am

They are done. Too many minor league caliber players and Bobby Cox. I guess we wait until next year again.

Pal Joey

August 27th, 2009
10:05 am

Yes, the season is over and the fat lady has sung. When you can’t beat the second to worst team in the league, you do not belong in the playoffs. They are toast and expecting a miracle is just wishful thinking. As Don Meridith would sing on Monday Night Football when the quarterback threw an interception in the last few minutes of a close game: “Turn out the lights, the party’s over”.

The Lemmer

August 27th, 2009
10:07 am

I’ve been saying it all year….with no big bat to drive in runs, the Bravos have no chance of the wildcard. They are in the running to NOT have a player with with 25 home runs, 100 RBI, 15 wins, or 25 saves. Those are not playoff caliber stats, especially when you have a better than average pitching staff.

Even on the pitching-dominated 90’s teams, there was at least one guy who could be counted on to win some games from home plate.

What say you?

Chicken farmer

August 27th, 2009
10:22 am

They’re toast! As Chipper goes, so go the Braves………. Enough said.

BravesFan

August 27th, 2009
10:23 am

THEY R DONE!!!

Bob Horner had a sweet compact swing

August 27th, 2009
10:29 am

I guess they are done…..they just don’t score enough runs..Chipper is getting long in the tooth..

raymond

August 27th, 2009
10:35 am

They were never in it. This team has played way over it’s head to get this far. Prado and Diaz are having career years that over exceed their ability and even though they are better in the outfield than last year they still suck using journeymen and has beens. Oh yes, did I mention Chipper sucks and is getting worse.

Yunel is my homeboy

August 27th, 2009
10:37 am

Let’s face facts. This is a .500 ballclub!! They got too far above .500 and now the law of averages is coming back into play! Here’s to a great 2010! (hopefully)

WCJ

August 27th, 2009
10:41 am

jokurone

August 27th, 2009
10:46 am

Atlanta, it’s time for Bobby to bow out. We need some new blood at the helm. Not TP! Bring in some new talent, no retreads. With all the young studs down on the farm chomping at the bit it’s time for the change!
C’mon on Frank we are tired of waiting till next year!

Harpie

August 27th, 2009
10:47 am

Get rid of Bobby Cox! He might be a nice guy, but his goals are too low. His goal is always to “win 2 out of 3″ – I guarantee you that the goal of the Yankees and other top teams is to win EVERY GAME.

Braves Fan Since 77

August 27th, 2009
10:51 am

Drop Chipper to 5th in order. Slim chancs, but Go Braves!!

Justin

August 27th, 2009
10:51 am

Maddux for manager!

yall are crazy

August 27th, 2009
10:52 am

Of course they’re done. It’s too late in the season to be losing series’ to pitiful teams like the Padres, and I’m getting sick of Bobby Cox’s excuses for why his player’s aren’t performing. BOBBY COX HAS GOT TO GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yall are crazy

August 27th, 2009
10:53 am

I agree with Jokerone, the next manager should NOT be Pendleton. He’d be Cox 2.0.

Don

August 27th, 2009
10:55 am

The fans of most teams can say “Wait until next year”. But with Bobby Cox possibly continuing as manager for another 5 years and then possibly Pendleton for another 10; Brave fans should be saying “Wait until 2025″.

smits

August 27th, 2009
10:57 am

We’re done. This team as constructed now is good enough to make the playoffs, but has too much ground to make up after having Francoeur, Schafer, and Kotchman in the lineup for a large portion of the season, Hanson in the minor leagues and Kawakami still adjusting. Let’s sign LaRoche, move up Heyward, and trade one of our starting pitchers for another outfield bat and this team should be rolling next year.

Don

August 27th, 2009
10:58 am

With no one in Braves management apparently having the guts to fire Bobby Cox and him probably hanging on as manager for another 5 years or so and then possibly having Pendleton — none of the prospects in the Braves farm system or any possible acquisitions may have any significantce — It matters not – especially while Cox is still managing.

Troy

August 27th, 2009
11:01 am

I cant believe im about to say this just i agree Bobby Cox needs to bow out. I cant believe how up and down this team is. Pitiful at times especially when u loose to celler dwellers!

Don

August 27th, 2009
11:04 am

How many more games would the Braves have won:
If Cox had started using Prado when he should have?
If Cox had started using Diaz sooner?
If Cox had benched Francoeur when early in the season?
If Cox had not continued to use a couple of relief pitchrs who obviously could not pitch?
If Cox had not significantly misused the bullpen?
If Cox had not kept Schaffer up – when he hadn’t even learned to make consistant contact even in the minor leagues?
If Cox had done anything in terms of teaching/emphasing working the count – being selective – making the opposing pitcher throw a lot of pitches?
If Cox didn’t continously make blunder after blunder within games?

NoleRick

August 27th, 2009
11:09 am

Last night was the nail in the coffin..

jim

August 27th, 2009
11:11 am

since the all-star break, they have been in need of a 10 game win streak to get back into it and they just aren’t built (offensively) to do it.

Don

August 27th, 2009
11:12 am

Surprise, Surprise – a Bobby Cox team could not score against the Padres rookie pitcher — This has been going on for years – trouble scoring many runs against almost every mediocre pitcher that they haven’t seen much of. This is all because of Cox’s failure to teach/emphasize the necessity for working the count – making the opposing pitcher throw a lot of pitches. Failure to do this has all kinds of negative effects agaisnt all pitchers.

Ed

August 27th, 2009
11:13 am

The Braves have let me down for the last time. They stink!!! Yesterday I called them a double A league team. I see now that was an exxageration. My wife has yearned for an autographed picture of Chipper. But now, she is having doubts that he will ever play decently again. He has become an automatic out, This is a very sad day.

Skeezix

August 27th, 2009
11:15 am

They were flying high but now have crashed and burned. This Padres series has completely exposed major flaws with the offense and the middle relief. These flaws have been there all season. Since the all star break, it has been fun as we’ve seen above normal performance due to exceptional starting pitching coupled with solid closing and some timely hitting—but it only has masked these flaws. So now the Braves are just reverting back to their “norm”…which equates to a third place finish in the NL East. Let’s just hope it doesn’t become a complete embarrassment–and we get swept by the last place Padres.

AtlantaFan

August 27th, 2009
11:19 am

Ron E.

August 27th, 2009
11:22 am

The playoffs are not out of reach but they’re extremely unlikely. The Braves would have to either put together an incredible winning streak like Colorado did a few years ago or have the Rockies collapse in September like the Mets of the past few years plus have the Giants and Marlins play poorly.

Bama Aaron

August 27th, 2009
11:26 am

I wish I could say there is still a chance, but there is not.

The funny thing about this is I get home from work yesterday and there in the mail is a nice package from the Braves. On the same day I get my order forms for postseason tickets they drop the 2nd game in a row to the 2nd worst team in the NL. I guess I won’t have to worry about returning my entry by the September 11th deadline.

The nucleus is there in the pitching staff to make a strong run next year, but Mr Wren this team needs someone who can hit. It might be time to realize Chipper has nothing left in the tank.

Spud Webb

August 27th, 2009
11:26 am

Sad, playoffs are out of the question. we have guys limping and crying, while other teams are sucking it up and getting it done. A combination of wearing out the pen (once again Bobby) and chipper acting like he’s old & still taking the 14 million paycheck, nice combination.
too bad, i like this team.

Joey

August 27th, 2009
11:30 am

And, Don,
If Cox would stop putting a slumping, “tired”, “a walk is a moral victory” Chipper in the 3rd spot.
I mean, am I wrong about this? Would it be an insult, or hurt Chipper’s pride, or what?

Ed-Covington

August 27th, 2009
11:31 am

Yes, I think they are done. As mentioned, watching the Rockies finding ways to win while the Bravos find ways to lose is wrenching. I think that Tuesday’s loss with JJ’s excellent pitching was more telling than last night’s. Can’t score 3 runs on the Pads in the middle of a pennant race?
Never thought I’d be writing this, but I agree with the other bloggers that BC needs to step down. Not his fault, really, these players just don’t respond to him anymore. The previous teams had on-field leadership from TP (despite his walk-off), Maddux and others. Chipper is not that kind of “leader” and the team sorely lacks motivation from within.
The managerial change in Colorado has paid enormous dividends, though the previous manager ( Clint Hurdle) was much admired and respected, especially after the season-ending win streak a couple of years ago. Maybe the Braves need the same inspiration.
Of course, if Bobby steps dowm, these blogs will become awfully short since no one will have him to “beach” about anymore.

TCDAWG

August 27th, 2009
11:32 am

I hear the Fat Lady singing.

al

August 27th, 2009
11:32 am

stick a fork in em….But i still hope management relizes its time for Bobby to move to the front office… Wow, how i would love to get Freddie rodriquez from the fish….

Brownie

August 27th, 2009
11:35 am

Just about every comment above is correct. I’ve always liked Cox, but it is time for him to move to Adairsville. What always made Cox a great regular season mgr (other than having HOF pitching) was his patience and consistency, which is important over a long grinding season. He IS a players’ mgr in that he gives them total support and let’s them plenty of time to play out of slumps/issues. IF you’ve got the talent, you can afford to manage that way. But this team is younger and doesn’t have that level of talent.

The reason Cox has been a sub-par playoff manager (and this team should have been in playoff mode the last month or so) is that he doesn’t promote a sense of urgency, and the team is allowed to be complacent. He doesn’t change his approach at all. Chipper embodies that approach. Have you ever seen him this lost at the plate? Before next year, he needs to shed about 15 pounds – will help his defense and bat speed.

Alright, onto the September call-up: let’s see what Hayward and Freeman have. Let’s give Medlin some starts to see if he can handle that role.

Next year? Got to be some changes (starting with Cox and TP). How is Greg Norton even on a major league roster….a pinch hitter hitting under his weight, who doesn’t have speed on the bases, and apparently can’t play any position in the field!! He’s got to have some pictures of Cox naked or something (and nobody would want to see those).

With Hudson back we’ll have 6 good starters (7 if you count Medlin), so a trade will be in the works this off-season to bring in a big bat and a “just about ready to go” 3rd baseman to replace Chip in a year or so). Which pitcher will go? Well, Hanson and Jurrjens are untouchable, KK has little trade value, and neither does Lowe probably, so that leaves JV and Huddy. Huddy might be a ? coming off TJ surgery, so Javier might wear a different uni next year. He has the most trade value on our staff (in fact it has peaked right now because of how he’s pitching), he’s a career .500 starter, and will get real expensive for the Braves after 2010….so he’ll be traded now.

Bobby, thanks for everything, see you in the HOF.

Bill

August 27th, 2009
11:36 am

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The Grinch

August 27th, 2009
11:41 am

They’re a decent team now, but they dug too big a hole early on and can’t afford a slump like this. I don’t see them making the playoffs, but I do see them looking good for next year.

I’m afraid I must echo the chorus about Bobby and TP. You couldn’t ask for two nicer guys, but it’s time for some fire, urgency and the absence of game breaking tactical mistakes.

Bring in Maddux.

Don

August 27th, 2009
11:44 am

The Braves don’t need to “Add” a bat, they need to “Subtract” Bobby Cox.

Don

August 27th, 2009
11:45 am

The only thing consistant about the Braves this season is the continuous blundering of Bobby Cox.