You Be The GM: Braves send Francoeur to Boston Red Sox for… who?
With a Gordon Edes report circulating online that the Boston Red Sox have been scouting Braves right fielder Jeff Francoeur — and Atlanta GM Frank Wren having no comment on the matter — we turn to you, our AJC readers, for… comment on the matter of the Frenchy-to-BoSox rumors.
You Be The GM: For the pure sake of argument, let’s say you’re Braves GM and you’re shipping Francoeur to Boston. Who do you ask for in return? Another outfielder to plug the RF hole that’s created? A pitcher to shore up our rotation? Or the big bat needed to cure the offensive woes?
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Bob
May 28th, 2009
12:29 pm
John Smoltz
Chopper
May 28th, 2009
12:30 pm
Julio Franco and Otis Nixon. It’s the Braves, who do you think they’ll go after? Re-treads!
brannon
May 28th, 2009
12:32 pm
not john smoltz for God’s sake.
atliving79
May 28th, 2009
12:36 pm
A bag of beans!
Bill
May 28th, 2009
12:39 pm
20 bats and they pay his ticket out of town.
JC
May 28th, 2009
12:39 pm
The Braves should trade Chris Medlen and Frenchy for Jason Bay, then call up Tommy Hanson like they should have done from the start of the season.
Bill
May 28th, 2009
12:40 pm
Oh, please take Bobby Cox with you.
phil
May 28th, 2009
12:40 pm
Why does it matter who they get? Is Boston going to give us a better major league player than Francoeur? If not, it doesn’t matter because Francoeur isn’t worth anything. It will be the same thing we have now.
What??!?!
May 28th, 2009
12:41 pm
JC, the Red Sox would never in a million years do that, they would have to be insane.
Mine This Bird
May 28th, 2009
12:42 pm
Just give Francouer away. For the love of God, please. We don’t need anything in return.
Dan DC
May 28th, 2009
12:42 pm
Is this artilce a joke?! We might get salary relief or a player that nobody’s ever heard of that is blind and has a 2nd ass where his head should be.
What??!?!
May 28th, 2009
12:42 pm
I honestly don’t have a clue who Boston has that we could use at all. The only thing I can make any sense of it, is that they might trade Frenchy for a young pitcher, and then throw him with some prospects in another deal for another player off some other team. There’s no way the red Sox trade Jason Bay in any deal with us, forget it, its not happening.
ATLSean
May 28th, 2009
12:43 pm
I would keep Medlen for now. My vote is JoJoke or KJ with Frenchy for Bay.
Bobby Cox
May 28th, 2009
12:44 pm
Gee, Skip. Coco Crisp might be a real possibility. Always loved that name. It has a baseball-ring about it. Frank is also thinking about giving Chris Reitsma a try out. He’s been “light out” in his church softball league. Always did like that kid. He’d make a great fill-in while Buddy Carlyle rehabs. Duh.
Jipper cones
May 28th, 2009
12:45 pm
If the sox would give us some kind of prospect for Frenchy, we could package him with some of our own minor leaguers in a deal with a slugger from another team. Thats the only way the trade scenario with the Red Sox makes any sense.
Frank Wren
May 28th, 2009
12:45 pm
Don’t count on much for Frenchie. His value has sunk quicker than the stock market. Maybe a Class A prospect and a sack of new baseballs.
oi!
May 28th, 2009
12:45 pm
I’d be willing to DFA Francoeur at this point. Maybe he could get things back together playing in AA or AAA for the rest of the year, but the Braves can’t let him play everyday in Atlanta.
If the Sox will give us anything, we should take it.
Shannon
May 28th, 2009
12:46 pm
I say we keep Jeff since he is still young (25) but if we trade him let’s get someone like Lars Anderson in return. A young power bat at 1B. Kotchman is solid and plays good defense but we need power from our 1B.
Christian
May 28th, 2009
12:47 pm
The best we can get is Prospects or some of their deader arms. The Bosox don’t have a lot offer on a straight-u basis. I am not sure why a trade is being considered other than perhaps future salary relief. I do not believe this is a trade that has been initiated by Boston.
Leroy Updike
May 28th, 2009
12:51 pm
A good reliever to shore up the bullpen. However, I hope this thing with the Sox doesn’t happen. The Sox do not need an “ATTITUDE” like Frenchy’s. They need a “Team player”.
jw
May 28th, 2009
12:53 pm
Ortiz – he isn’t happy in Bean Town, could be a Manny type moment for the Braves, like last year’s Dodgers! I think he is dogging it in Boston, wanting to get out! Yeah, yeah – the steroid thing may bite us later – in Ortiz’s case, I think it’s the burgers and fries instead of “fertility” pills! The Varsity is 100 percent steroid free so he should pass all the tests!
Shannon
May 28th, 2009
12:53 pm
Based on most of these comments I can see why GMs can never listen to fans. Jason Bay? He is an MVP candidate right now. You think the Sox are going to trade him when they are sitting in 1st place? Get real. And how does dumping Francoeur for next to nothing help us? That makes no sense. But if I were Jeff I would pray for a trade. Not sure why the fans here hate him so much but with no hometown support it is probably better if he moves on.
woogidy
May 28th, 2009
12:55 pm
We hate him because he sucks.
Shannon
May 28th, 2009
12:58 pm
Great argument woogidy.
nelson
May 28th, 2009
1:00 pm
send francoeur & jojo reyes to oakland for matt holliday
lawdawg
May 28th, 2009
1:00 pm
A ham sandwich to be named later.
Leroy Updike
May 28th, 2009
1:02 pm
Fans don’t “hate” Francour. However, when the “Team” needs the batter to just meet the ball, Frenchy’s desire for a home run or just to be the Hero (Individualism)is disappointing (consistently.
Taylor
May 28th, 2009
1:02 pm
I went to parkview and hate francouers play
Branch Rickey
May 28th, 2009
1:05 pm
What moron would let BOTH Frenchie & Schafer continue to play everyday, while not only struggling with the bat, but hurting the teams chances of winning. Sounds like a manager problem in Atlanta.
Shannon
May 28th, 2009
1:06 pm
Taylor you were probably one of those guys that hated him because he was popular and you were not. Sad.
bunch-o-idiots
May 28th, 2009
1:08 pm
Why not a stright swap of Fenchy for Baldelli? I’d take him right now…even with the risk of injury.
Honestly, I would throw Frenchy in the minors and bring up Blanco. He’ll at least get on base.
Mine This Bird
May 28th, 2009
1:08 pm
Or Taylor just hates him because he sucks?
Leroy Updike
May 28th, 2009
1:08 pm
I guess somebody called Bobby Cox – a Moron!
Plate Appearance
May 28th, 2009
1:09 pm
STAY WITH JEFF!
I’d like to see Jeff get more time to work out his hitting troubles!
However the trade I’d like to see made would be to get Josh Anderson back for CF, while demoting Schafer.
It’s too bad too, that Wren didn’t get Sheffield for LF. He’s hitting for both power and average in NY.
Moreover, Frank should have given Andruw another try in Spring Training. His current stats if projected over 550 at bats would have him hitting close to 30 home runs and 100 runs batted in — with nearly a .300 average!
martin
May 28th, 2009
1:09 pm
i think the braves and frenchy need a trade. why not trade our batting coach also. loved TP as a player but batting coach he messed up andrew and frenchy.
obamallama
May 28th, 2009
1:10 pm
air
coachx
May 28th, 2009
1:12 pm
Why would any team give us anything back of value for French ?
Mike
May 28th, 2009
1:14 pm
I personally think that because we arent going to get anything of value for Jeff, that we should keep him, send him to the minors for the rest of the year. Have him work specifically with a good hitting instructor and give him one more shot to turn in around. Dont bring him back until he has in figured out for good. There is no risk or loss doing it this way. You are giving a player that has shown so much promise one final shot to turn it around. he was probably rushed to majors too soon, he never learned how to adjust his hitting and truly know the strike zone. He could swing, so they brought him up.
In the end your not getting anything for him, so you might as well make sure there is still not a great player in there somewhere. I tell you one thing, it would really suck to see us ship him off for some nobody, and see another team take a minor league approach with him, and see him blossom. That would suck.
yogi2
May 28th, 2009
1:15 pm
trade Franquer for a couple of autographed pictures of Johnny Damon
Steve
May 28th, 2009
1:17 pm
I’ll guarantee you this: Wherever Frenchy goes, he will have a succession of All-Star seasons. This is the Atlanta Braves, after all.
Joe
May 28th, 2009
1:17 pm
At this point, I think a bucket of balls would be more productive.
Ron E.
May 28th, 2009
1:19 pm
I’d take literally anybody they were willing to trade for him even a single A player with not much upside. The money saved from his salary which could be used in a future deal to get a power hitter and the improved offense from plugging any other player not named Jordan Schafer or Garret Anderson into RF would be more than enough return.
Tired Bravesfan
May 28th, 2009
1:19 pm
How about keeping Frenchy and getting a hitting coach to work with him. Its really funny how none of the players work well with Pendleton. Maybe thats because he cloans everyone and I for one am getting sick of them trading our potential sluggers and keeping Pendleton on as coach. He does not help hitters, He is not a coach. If so why is it that Frenchy went to Texas to work with their coach and came back hitting but get around Pendleton and nothing? He was a good hitter but he is not a coach.
Sure give away frenchy, let him go to the sox and start pounding the ball. If you want to fix the problem with frenchy hitting fix the problem. Fire Pendleton and get a real coach. Terry has hurt our lineup to long. Time to fix the real problem and keep our players for ourselves.
Jimbrave
May 28th, 2009
1:20 pm
We forget so fast. He made fans so happy with his rookie exploits. I, for one, wish him the best in Atl or beantown.
aswingruber
May 28th, 2009
1:20 pm
excerpt from “Georgia’s New Peach” SI article August 29, 2005
“The TV highlights roll on, showcasing Francoeur’s typically sublime game against the Los Angeles Dodgers the previous night. He went 2 for 5, lifting his average to .373, and hit his 10th home run, a 407-foot parabola that landed midway up the leftfield stands. He saw a total of 16 pitches, on par with his economical average of 3.34 pitches per plate appearance. He threw out pitcher Odalis Perez at second base by unleashing a strike while standing one step from the rightfield wall, his ninth outfield assist. (”I can remember playing catch with him a year or two ago in spring training and not thinking much of his arm,” Jones says. “Boy, was I wrong.”) The righthanded-hitting Francoeur’s first major league triple, an opposite-field rope on an 0-and-2 changeup that struck the top of the fence, was impressive as much for the stroke (”I really liked that,” Dodgers hitting instructor Tim Wallach said the following afternoon) as for the swiftness with which the 6′4″ 220-pounder circled the bases. Speed, clearly, is yet another implement in the seemingly bottomless Francoeur toolbox.”
..Oh how times have changed
Eric
May 28th, 2009
1:20 pm
Trade Frenchy and Reyes for Uggla and then move Kelly Johnson back to OF.
yogi2
May 28th, 2009
1:21 pm
Frenchy was not rushed to the Majors. he came up becaue he cried like a baby when McCann and other deserving players were called up before him.
Check it out, he cried and sobbed when sent down. that is why COX brought him back after 2 days. Check it out
Brian Asselstine
May 28th, 2009
1:21 pm
Schaffer must go immediately. Killing the team. Frenchy- will have to give him away at this point. Not much in return for RF that can not hit. As for Andruw, he would be terrible in Atlanta because the hitting coach is terrible. Hitting coach in Texas is good. Was able to correct enough for Andruw to make him a major league player again. The Braves have not hit as a team since Baylor left. Sorry TP, just a fact.
rick
May 28th, 2009
1:22 pm
Yea Steve, thats it, the Braves organization sucks and the players that leave become all-stars. All those pennants, championships and the world title is just stuff someone dreamed up…….
Threadkiller
May 28th, 2009
1:22 pm
Francoeur, JoJo, & Morton to Washington for Adam Dunn.
Richard
May 28th, 2009
1:22 pm
Listen Braves fans yal got to lay off Frenchie. He will turn it around. If we do end up trading him. We should look for a better bat at first base that can flash some leather. We have Jason Heyward that needs to get called up and having some growing pains but he is def. the real deal. Heyward and Shafer are def. the future of our outfield.
Supes
May 28th, 2009
1:22 pm
If you are going to be trading with the Marlins…main player back in the deal has to be Jorge Cantu (who can play 2B). Rather have him than Uggla.
Sam
May 28th, 2009
1:23 pm
Shannon, Is that the same Lars Anderson whose brothers Ole and Gene formed the wrestlers “Minnesota Wreckin Crew”?
dap01
May 28th, 2009
1:25 pm
Send the anointed one to AAA. Oh JF would be so shocked. Jeff should go to AAA and LEARN baseball. Then he may EARN his way back.
On a side note, if we send him down for the rest of the year, I bet he hits 280 with little power. My guess that he would still ask for a huge raise next year.
JF time has come and gone!
Bobby Cox
May 28th, 2009
1:26 pm
Frenchie hits well in all the simulated games we have. But then again, Remmie and Reitsma looked pretty sharp in those same simulated games.
dap01
May 28th, 2009
1:27 pm
Speed? JF runs like a 40 year old!
yogi2
May 28th, 2009
1:27 pm
Just release Shafer, FRancuer,Norton,and JoJO. They have negative Value IF sent to Gwinnett, they would only hinder the development of better players
Brian Asselstine
May 28th, 2009
1:28 pm
Schafer will never be in the Braves outfield. This guy simply cannot hit. His defense is ok but not one tenth what Andruw played for a decade. His defense is certainly not enough to keep him around. At least Andruw could save a few runs before he struck out. Schafer makes the routine plays. You never see any Sports Center type highlight catches.
Blackberry Cobbler
May 28th, 2009
1:29 pm
I’m no fan of Francine……….
But, I don’t understand all the venom spewed his way when Shafer and Anderson are just as big a problem. If not moreso.
Let’s just face it, the Braves aside from Chipper (when he’s not hurt) and McCann are about all the team has got to count on.
Chalk it up to another failed season and look forward to 2010.
rick
May 28th, 2009
1:30 pm
Getting rid of Francoeur will at this point would be more of a benefit for him than the Braves. He needs a fresh start and a new beginning. Whomever we get in return is immaterial since his value is so low. Wren will have to address the lack of outfield production with a more thought out plan.
just me
May 28th, 2009
1:33 pm
I have to agree with Plate Appearence. Jeff needs to work on being patient at the plate and regaining his confidence. Lack of confidence at the plate leads to poor results. When you read negative comments about yourself that just leads to more loss of confidence. Maybe Jeff is having a hard time seeing the ball or maybe he has been making changes to his batting stance. All kinds of things come into play. My comment to Jeff is this: Relax and play your game! Forget all the hype and find the swing that feels good to you. If you were a terrible player you would not be playing in the majors! Find your groove and make it your game!
John
May 28th, 2009
1:34 pm
Those of you who preach patience with Francoeur must not have cable?? At what point do you say enough is enough? Same with all outfielders not named Diaz. Francoeur is 68th out of 69 outfielders in the major leagues in on base percentage…and still playing every day! That is crazy!
Just wondering?
May 28th, 2009
1:34 pm
Why do immature people keep wanting a bag of balls for him? Package him with some of the excess pitchers (Jo-J0, Carlyle, Morton, etc) and get what you can for him, bring up young outfielders, release Norton, make Garrett Anderson the primary pinch hitter, because that is all he can do now, and develop for the future. At least have a plan and quit all these knee-jerk responses.
Kevin
May 28th, 2009
1:34 pm
You guys that are packaging a deal consisting of francoeur and Jo-Jo frealing reyes for Jason Bay or Matt Holliday are freaking high!!! Please share with me the stuff you are smoking. NO one in their right mind would want a “lost terrible hitter” and even more confused pitcher for a top notch player….this isnt your mvp baseball 2009 game or some video game where you can just trade whoever for all-stars….
We would be lucky to get anyone worth playing right now Jeff.
G State Ben
May 28th, 2009
1:36 pm
Josh Reddick, currently with the Sox AA Affliate in Portland, ME. He’s a local guy. Bring him home Frank!
Seriously
May 28th, 2009
1:39 pm
Some of you can blame the coaches (Pendleton) all you want, but there isn’t a coach out there that is going to give him a better understanding of the strike zone. He can’t seem to hold off on any pitch. This is NOT a new problem. If you think that a hole in his swing is the problem, your jumping more than he is.
bwell
May 28th, 2009
1:39 pm
We won’t get much as Frenchy’s value is very low (statistical wise, he is one of the worst everyday players in the league for the past two seasons). Maybe we could pry Luis Exposito from them. Exposito is a AA catcher with pretty good power. We need catching depth at that level. Another possibility is one of their young shortstops. Maybe Yamaica Navarro, who could be switched to 3rd and possibly a replacement for Chipper Jones when his time is up.
JCSmalls
May 28th, 2009
1:40 pm
I would trade Frenchy straight up for a swift kick to the junk!!
Supes
May 28th, 2009
1:41 pm
Jeff to the Nats for Willingham.
Jeff and Jo-Jo Reyes or Kris Medlen to the Marlins for Jorge Cantu and Jeremy Hermida.
Jeff to the Red Sox for a minor league prospect (if you are going to be rebuilding like you should – if you are the Braves front office)
Jim
May 28th, 2009
1:43 pm
First, a Frenchie to Boston trade will NEVER HAPPEN. He just does not fit into the Boston mold of patient hitters who know how to work the count. He has the swing at the first pitch mentality that Sox management loathes and try to break. Those who will not conform are sent packing (see Garciaparra, Nomar). Just to play along, however, a very Braves-favorable package would include Manny Delcarmen to help immediately in the bullpen and AA first base prospect Lars Anderson. I could also see a three-way deal transpiring where Francour is sent somewhere else and the Sox aquire a prospect to help fill their need at catcher. This is the more likely scenario for a trade involing Boston, Atlanta, and the French one.
Mark C.
May 28th, 2009
1:44 pm
Seriously,
Please pack up your reason and common sense and get out of here. This is a Jeff Francouer blog.
tmac
May 28th, 2009
1:44 pm
Francouer, Diory hernandez, and Medlen for Jason Bay and Takashi Saito
wp
May 28th, 2009
1:45 pm
Another young player with a great future but the knucleheads in atlanta want to get rid of him in 2 years. I hope he goes to someone the Braves play often and he wears them out.
blueberry cobbler
May 28th, 2009
1:46 pm
Send Schafer down now!!!! They sent Blanco down & he is a way-better ball player than Schafer!! As for Frenchy, the ONLY reason that he is still in Atlanta is because he is a hometown boy!!
BraveCat
May 28th, 2009
1:48 pm
Just trade him!! I am sick of hearing “he will turn it around” Oh really?!? So how long do you give him….another 2 yrs…5? He is NOT going to turn it around in Atlanta.
Sportsdawg
May 28th, 2009
1:49 pm
Hey Sam, do you remember their infamous fueds with the beloved “Torrez Brothers”?
Ray Pugh
May 28th, 2009
1:49 pm
You people need to inform me of where you buy your crack. It is obviously a high-potency product from the likes of you comments…
Eric
May 28th, 2009
1:50 pm
I like the idea of swapping him for Hermida. Both have high ceilings and expectations and have not met them.
Brian Asselstine
May 28th, 2009
1:51 pm
JF could be stomached if the Center Fielder could hit his weight which is about 180 I believe. CF is more of a problem. I love Diaz but he is not an everyday guy that will give you power. Blanco was not the answer last year but he is so much better than JS it is not funny. Why Schaffer plays is a bigger puzzle than Jeff F. Everyone else is platooned vs lefties except JS. He can’t hit rughties much less lefties.
John from Illinois
May 28th, 2009
1:53 pm
RP Michael Bowden….another strong young arm
Jeep
May 28th, 2009
1:55 pm
Plan A – send French to AAA or AA to re-learn what he earned during the off season.
Plan B – let Infante play SS, send French and Escobar to Bosox for Jason Bay
Radio sux
May 28th, 2009
1:56 pm
I’ll take Dwight Evans and a bowl of chowda
Jeep
May 28th, 2009
1:57 pm
… oh… and replace JS with Blanco
anotherdawg
May 28th, 2009
1:57 pm
Can we trade Terry Pendleton to Texas for their batting coach?
Shannon
May 28th, 2009
1:57 pm
None of this matters as long as you have a manager who has long since seen his best days and a hitting coach that is clueless. And T.P. is the so called future replacement for Cox? Ouch!!!!!!
First things first…….. fire or force Cox to retire and fire T.P.!!!
J.R.
May 28th, 2009
1:57 pm
Call the LA Angels and get Terry Evans. Young right handed power hitting outfielder with speed. He is at Salt Lake(AAA) right now Oh yeah, he’s from good old Dublin, Georgia too. Led all of minor league baseball in HR 2 years ago and is killing the ball right now
Allen
May 28th, 2009
2:00 pm
I don’t trade Frenchy and I don’t make a trade with Boston. If the Braves aren’t going to get a Top Tier outfielder in return with whom ever they are wanting to trade, then it’s pointless. They need to cut Anderson, who has been on the DL way to much and he’s to old. Send Frenchy to the minors and bring up one of the young guys, if not two of them. If the Braves are going to make a trade, I think they could get more for Kelly Johnson than Frenchy.
Ray Pugh
May 28th, 2009
2:01 pm
You anti-Schafer buffoons will be eating your ill-chosen words when he is raking like Grady Sizemore. Oh, and his on-base percentage, amazing arm and plus fielding is why he is still in the lineup…
Lazy Dawg
May 28th, 2009
2:01 pm
Not the time for a trade with nothing in return..
AFSOC Shirt
May 28th, 2009
2:03 pm
Francoeur: 253/3/21
Schafer: 209/2/8
Try any and all outfielders from the Braves’ minor league teams. Would they do better than JF and JS? Maybe, maybe not. Would they do worse? I doubt it.
baseball head
May 28th, 2009
2:03 pm
The hometown luster of Francoure is worn out. If he played to his expectation or at least had a consistent bat, could steal bases, or stop hitting into double plays then the hometown fans would support him. He reminds me of Brad Kominsk or Ryan Klesko, all the potential but they never prospered in Atlanta. Jeff needs to try somewhere else, say KC, Texas, or Giants.
coach k
May 28th, 2009
2:03 pm
For 8yrs I have said this, it is time for Bobby to go and take Pendleton with him. I gave Frenchy his chance to redeem himself, but when I see him consistantly hit to 3rd with runners in scoring position with less than 2 outs he needs to come out. There is no passion on this team, they are too white collared. This team continues to play sub par baseball and they are way more talented than this. It’s shake up time while we are still in this thing. We need a banger in there. Got nobody who is a consistant threat to hit it out.
Micki
May 28th, 2009
2:05 pm
For a pack of Juicy Fruit…thats the value JF-K has right now…
Allen
May 28th, 2009
2:06 pm
I agree Terry Pendleton needs to go, he’s not a hitting coach. The Braves need to get a real hitting coach!!!!!
Brian Asselstine
May 28th, 2009
2:07 pm
Forget JF and JS. I have a great idea:
1b Willie Montanez
2b Rod Gilbreath
3b Larvell “sugarbear” Blanks
ss Darrell Chaney
lf Jeff Burroughs
cf Dale Murphy
rf “Yours Truly” Brian Asselstine
c Biff Pocaroba
p Buzz Capra
Mgr. Bobby Cox
Glory Days 110 losses every year. Fun tinmes at the ball yard though. Sit in any seat you want. No ushers to tell you what to do. Average attendance 5,234. BRING BACK THE GLORY DAYS OF ATLANTA BRAVES BASEBALL.
Pete, Skip and Ernie from Fulton County Stadium
Brian Asselstine
May 28th, 2009
2:09 pm
Ray Pugh- If you think JS is the next Grady Sizemore, you would fail a drug test
Aaron
May 28th, 2009
2:11 pm
I honestly don’t care who we get in return just get rid of him. And take Schafer with him. How can Cox and Wren sit back and watch 2/3’s of their outfield have now clue how to hit. And TP has no freakin clue how to teach them to make adjustments. This organization is seriously turning into a bigger joke than they were back in the 80’s before the streak happened!
P-Town Brave
May 28th, 2009
2:15 pm
They’d get a better return of investment if they could package Francoeur/KJohnson/ + one of Morton or Medlen to a team
tony
May 28th, 2009
2:19 pm
if we trade jeffie po we should also get rid of our non teaching hitting coach if he can be called a hitting coach.
Patrick Duffy
May 28th, 2009
2:19 pm
The Red Sox bat boy’s jock strap probably has seen better play than Frenchy… If we could somehow pull that off!!
coach k
May 28th, 2009
2:20 pm
Look around the league every team has Braves starting, especially TX. We have them here but can’t get them to play correctly until they go somewhere else.. Tired of never hearing from Scheurholtz or Wren or anyone from Mang. Need something to light a fire under these guys. 40 games is a benchmark and we are playing 500 ball and don’t blame pitching it has been good enough if anyone except, Chipper, Mac, Kotchman and Escobar could get someone in. It is time for change, hell I’ll take the job. It’s time for some good ole fashion in your face small ball. This team is good enough to take it all but something has to change now.
samanjerry
May 28th, 2009
2:22 pm
frenchy=braves as to adrian beltre=dodgers.
if frenchy stays he will continue to have below expectable seasons (i mean cmon all we expect is .270
15hrs and maybe 70rbis now…)
but show flashes of brilliance. just enough to keep him in the team.
in his free agent year he’ll blow up for .300 30hr 100rbis and get a killer contract somewhere else.
just like beltre, throw in javier lopez aswell.
remember beltre was suppose to be the face of the dodgers after mike pizza got traded but he just keep crapping out and the dodgers believed in his talents so they just keep him around til beltre bolted ofcourse.
Patrick Duffy
May 28th, 2009
2:23 pm
Frenchy+Schafer+Anderson+Cox+Pendelton+Wren+$25,000,000 for THEO!!
J.R.
May 28th, 2009
2:25 pm
Believe me, I don’t claim to be a GM, but why in the world would you let the likes of Jason Heyward and Tommy Hanson sit down in the minors, while your “big club” is a .500 team at best. Is Heyward not better than anything in our OF right now. Of course he is. and I know Hanson has got to be better than Medlen, Kawakami, and for God’s sakes Jo Jo Reyes. If I remember correctly the late 80s Atlanta Braves had a few rookies take quite a bit of beatings for a few years till the 90s rolled around. If I remember correctly their names were Glavine, Smoltz, and Avery. Let the rooks come up and take their lumps, especially when they are better than your options you have now. I don’t have a problem with JS hitting .200 this year, but I do have a problem if he doesn’t improve.
BTW. Frenchy has such an aweful swing it will be hard to fix his problem. Also, TP may have been able to hit, but he is not getting the job done. I love him to death, but not getting it done
JeremyfromGainesville
May 28th, 2009
2:25 pm
Take the salary relief by moving Frenchy for a bag of balls, and hope that FW has another trade ready with the approximately 2.5 million saved by trading Frenchy. Also, make sure Glav never starts for us, so we don’t owe him any additional money past the mil we’ve given already. That should give us 3- 3.5 mil in payroll to pickup a guy like Jermaine Dye for half a year. That’s what I would do. But what do I know.
Dominic
May 28th, 2009
2:26 pm
I think the Braves should definitely shop Francoeur. His rookie and sophomore years were great stories but the Braves spent way too much money on the pitching to keep Francoeur. What will likely happen is the Braves will get Jason Bay or Ryan Ludwig. More unlikely would be the Braves get Jose Guillen, but they are looking for a younger guy. With Garrett Anderson starting to hit it would only make since for the Braves to be thinking of including these players as trade bait: Kelly Johnson, Jeff Francoeur, Jo jo Reyes, and Kris Medlen. Don’t expect the Braves to get a strong armed outfielder because they still have top prospect Jason Heyward doing well in the minors. They are going to probably have Bay or Ludwig fill in at RF for the time being because after the season and Garrett Anderson leaves that will open it up for Heyward to compete for a major league starting position. Also, cool for the Braves to acquire a veteran CF. A good base running CF to help Schafer develop into a nice leadoff guy possible Juan Pierre type player.
Wilson
May 28th, 2009
2:27 pm
It doesn’t make sense to trade him because you won’t get anything in return and then you still have a whole in right field. Trade someone else and keep Frenchy around. Even if he is coming off the bench. He is a valuable defensive asset, and as a singles hitter these days, wouldn’t be such a bad late inning substitution. In sum, why trade him if you’re not going to get anything at all? What is the point?
Wilson
May 28th, 2009
2:28 pm
Moreover, there is NO WAY the red sox are going to give up Jason Bay with Ortiz hitting 200. and 1 hr.
steve
May 28th, 2009
2:29 pm
Keep him. He is 25 and has lots of raw talent. He is an excellenet defensive player, even when he is not contributing with the bat. I think sending him to AAA or even AA for an extended period of time would probably be hard on him but in the long run would do him a world of good. He needs coaching. There is too much pressure on him here and he needs to get out of the media spotlight for a while.
I loved Terry Pendleton as a player, but isn’t it apparent that he is not a good hitting coach? Who has improved as a hitter under his coaching? You can’t say Chipper, because Chipper is basically his own hitting coach. TP has a great baseball mind and someday might make a really good manager, but a hitting coach he is not.
pat
May 28th, 2009
2:34 pm
French for Bay, even swap! LOL!
Josh Gralton
May 28th, 2009
2:34 pm
You guys are idiots about Schafer, his OBP is .322 which is higher than KJ, Prado, and Anderson and he is 46 games into his major league career. He is not exactly raking right now but give him more than 50 games before we talk about “releasing him” or sending him to single A again. Schafer jumped from AA to the majors so he will undoubtedly need some time to adjust.
Francoeur on the other hand has outstayed his welcome in the ATL and his daddy Bobby Cox is having to wipe his butt, feed him, and stick him out there in outfield everyday. He isn’t even that good of an outfielder! Andruw should have got one and a half gold gloves that season, he was yelling his way on every play.
I expect the braves to be cheap as always and try to fix the problem from within, I would like to see KJ dropped to the 6th/7th spot in the order and stuck in outfield again. Prado needs to get the spot at second, he can flat out hit some line drives and would’t kill tons of rallies like JF. I would also like to see Gregor come up and Platoon with Schafer and Garrett Anderson. Diaz/Schafer/Anderson/ and Blanco should be fine if the braves won’t spend any money, but we have to start moving runners and stealing bases! We also need to play the hot hand, Diaz needs to be in the lineup more.
Blanco
Escobar
Jones
McCann
Kotchman
Johnson
Diaz
Prado
HAB
May 28th, 2009
2:35 pm
A peanut butter sandwich, Mountain Dew, and bag of Doritos.
Chris
May 28th, 2009
2:37 pm
Are you fools serious? The only posts that make sense AT ALL are the ones involving Lars Anderson and Manny Delcarmen, and maybe Hermida/Holliday.
But why would the Braves want Holliday? He is a free agent at the end of the year and is not the same player outside of Coors. Plus, last time I checked, the last “Rent-A-Player (Teixeira) didn’t work out that well. Bet the Brave wish they could undo that trade with the Rangers . But hey, they did get a slap hitting 1b when they unloaded Tex to the angels.
RELEASE SCHAFER? Man, I am glad you are posting on this board instead of running the Braves. Yes, he is struggling, but he is one + month into his ROOKIE SEASON.
Release Francouer? That is just as laughable.
Answer this question: Name ONE hitter that TP has actually made better? I cannot think of any either.
dyldawg
May 28th, 2009
2:37 pm
GET REAL!. BOSTONS NOT GIVIN ORTIZ SUCH A HARD TIME. MAYBE IF WE HAD A BATTIN COACH WORTH A **** THEN MAYBE FRENCHY WOULD BE GOOD. PACKAGE JOHNSON/FRENCHY/MORTON/REYES AND GET DREW/BULLPEN HELP.
jwilli120
May 28th, 2009
2:47 pm
Hello everyone, The problem with JF is not JF it is Bmac, JF is trying
to compete with the FAME that Bmac has gotten since he got to the show.
JF was the bigger star in HS and he believes he is still the bigger
star now, he is jealous of Bmac, Bmac stole his THUNDER. Bmac has
worked his butt off to get where he is and JF got by on his talent
alone and is a me,me,me guy. Ya know i heard a story about chipper
jones dad telling chipper some years back that the NY Yankees stole
his thunder and his place in history, but chipper never let it bother
him he just kept doing his thing, JF could do the same thing as chipper
did, but to me JF has the look like someone owes him something(watch
the JF story when they air it next time a rain delay happens) JF is in
MLB strictly for the money and not for the love of the game, if JF
played for the MARLONS do you know what kind of fish he would be….
SELFISH!!!!! JF you are not a ALLSTAR like Bmac, get over it, you are
not back at Parkview, get over yourself, and do the things that will
make you an ALLSTAR and quit be a BIG BABY. I like JF but someone needs
to tell him like it is, get in his face make him break down like the
little kid he is, the other thing is all i read on the blogs in ST that
Shaefer was ready when he was not now everyone is on his case, you asked
for it you got it TOYOTA, Jason isn’t ready either, unless we want a
roster full of JS and JF and JOJO’s leave the kids alone and let them
get to the show at thier pace. We all want better for the Braves have
some patience please, JF go to AAA and learn the game( situational
hitting, bunting, base stealing) EARN IT JF it’s not your BIRTH RIGHT.
Z-Lizzle
May 28th, 2009
2:47 pm
I’m telling yall…..Frenchie is just a few teaspoons of HGH away from BRILLIANCE….Jordan as well. If there was anyway they could face Buddy Carlisle every night they’d both be hitting .300+ TRUST me. If they need to learn how to take a walk, just let Moylan pitch them in batting practice. I like the minor league idea some have expressed. We won’t get anything for him in a trade, plus his defense is an asset. Send him down, let Blanco play, and don’t bring him back up until he’s hitting above .275, period. **We need to replace all 3 outfield spots to be perfectly honest.**
rec Dawg
May 28th, 2009
2:47 pm
Lars Anderson.
Larry
May 28th, 2009
2:50 pm
Maybe they can pry Ron Gant and Brian Jordan away from Sports South. and have them play LF and RF. Then get Deion sanders away from the NFL Network and have him play CF.
This of course would only make sense if you sent down Kelly Johnson and called up 19 year old Jason Heyward to play Second base. Hey, he’s never played 2nd before and he is 19, but he HAS to be an upgrade by most of yoru logic.
Pete
May 28th, 2009
2:55 pm
most of you are very stupid.
obamallama
May 28th, 2009
3:04 pm
maybe he was on the juice his rookie year
jimmy a
May 28th, 2009
3:04 pm
who on this team could start on another team fire WREN no trades just bring up the farm draft and sign more young free agents but remember FIRE WREN
Bobbymahlon
May 28th, 2009
3:09 pm
like I said before Frenchy is not cutting it but why put all the blame on him when you got guys like Schafer,Kelley Johnson,G Anderson and now Kotchman not carrying their weight. I also have not seen much talk about Chicken Jones hitting for the cycle last night(four for four strike outs). Oh by the way did any of you see Franceour throw out the runner at home last night. Lets send him down because we cannot get anything for him and maybe he can get himself straigthened out down in the minors being that we do not have a hitting coach that gets anybobdy squared away.
Ed
May 28th, 2009
3:09 pm
I bet #7 wishes he took that deal he was offered back when #16 signed his long-term deal. Allegedly, it was the same money!
stew
May 28th, 2009
3:14 pm
What’s so great about Diaz? Two years ago he hit 12 hrs. He can’t field and can possibly hit like a punch and judy for average. He ain’t ever gonna hit hrs or drive in a significant amount of runs. Nor is he gonna score many runs. No defense, no runs scored, no hrs, and no rbis isn’t gonna pan out in LF. We need four new outfielders and three (Cody, Gorkys, and the Hey
Man) are there already. I know they’re not ready. But, what do we have to lose? They couldn’t be any worse than what we already. Maybe it’s not so bad to develop them this year at the major league level.
PMC
May 28th, 2009
3:16 pm
Ha ha, David Ortiz and a bag of starcaps.
Let's Go Bravos!
May 28th, 2009
3:16 pm
I’d like to see us get Andrew Jones back to play center. Send Schafer down to the minors. Bring Gregor Blanco up to play rightfield. No one will give us anything for Frenchy! To be as bad as he is, he can still sell tickets and merchandise. They should send him to Gwinnett for the rest of the year and let him work out his problems.
edward
May 28th, 2009
3:17 pm
We won’t get anything for frenchy unless we team it up with GA and a prospect. And losing prospects is about all Wren has done. How many people need to say this every year….FIRE PENDLETON!!! No one listens to him anymore. They either go elsewhere or talk to their dads. They should get Chippers’ dad to be the hitting coach. He has done a much better job than TP.
The depressing news is is that there just are no outfielders out there to trade for. Not without giving away the farm again. Schafer is just lost out there. Bless his soul, he needs to go back to the juice.
PHIL
May 28th, 2009
3:23 pm
The reason Jeff isn’t one of my favorites is because of that attitude he pulled last year. Whining and thinking he is too good to be sent down even though he can’t hit his weight. WHY did he think he was should be allowed to stay in the majors no matter how poorly he performs?
Steve
May 28th, 2009
3:34 pm
Frenchie, though a disappointment, has been our best OF all year long. Why in the world would we trade our best player at our weakest position? We would have to get prospects that are a few years away but with a high ceiling.
Quite frankly, Frenchy is as good as anything we would get in return, so getting rid of him is just silly. Besides, if we don’t get an OF, who would we play out there?
Blanco? What a joke.
Diaz? He swings as hard as he can at everything and good pitchers are figuring him out. His defense and arm are much better than most give him credit for though.
Brandon Jones? Exactly how many at bats do we have to give him to figure out he will never amount to anything in the majors?
Norton? He is a far below average major leaguer, whose penchant for getting hits as a pinch hitter has saved his career for the time being.
Anderson? A below average hitter at this stage of his career. A below average outfielder defensively for his entire career.
Frenchy is the best we have. Anyone thinking otherwise is crazy. Worse yet, we waited to long to pull the trigger on a trade so his value is actually MUCH lower than his potential. You just don’t trade players in those situations, especially young ones.
kelly
May 28th, 2009
3:58 pm
when you send francoeut to boston be sure to pendleton with him. get $20 and a fish sandwich and thats to much.
Ricky
May 28th, 2009
3:59 pm
Trade Frenchy to Texas and try to get Nelson Cruz… Give them some prospects too if needed. Cruz has been on fire this year and shouldnt be too hard to get in a package
steve
May 28th, 2009
4:00 pm
Unfortunately, Francour spoiled us with his first two seasons. We all bought into the “next Micky Mantle” hype. Apparently, Jeff bought into it as well. I still think he is young enough that he can turn it around. He has returned to swinging at the pitch that is a foot and half outside. Part of the problem is that he is pressing so hard. When you are pressing it is hard to be patient. I think an extended trip to the minors might do who well for the long term.
It is also crazy for any of us to be saying we ought to trade Jeff for “so and so”. It takes two to tango, and none of us have any idea who another team is willing to give up. Speculating something like that seems like a giant waste of time.
JAKE
May 28th, 2009
4:03 pm
KJ, FRENCHY, MEDLEN, DIORE, FOR PEDROIA AND MASTERSON
JAKE
May 28th, 2009
4:03 pm
OR JUST PEDROIA
Marc
May 28th, 2009
4:04 pm
I’d get pitching bait to put in a package for Cuddyer.
jwilli120
May 28th, 2009
4:22 pm
does anybody realize the diaz and schafer connection 50 suspension
for the both of them, diaz first acouple of years ago and schafer
last year? Things that make you go hummm!!!!! I just threw that out
there!!!!!!Beatle Juice, Beatle Juice, Beatle Juice!!!!
the real OLD GOLD
May 28th, 2009
4:23 pm
First step if I was Frank Wren would be to hang myself because I’m a worthless idiot.
But since that doesn’t lead us any further, say someone finds me and cuts me down…..
I wouldn’t have signed Mike Hampton’s adopted brother (G. Anderson) to play outfield in the first place. I also would not have brought up the big eared kid before he was ready, and I would have allowed Prado, Blanco, and Infante and Diaz to find their best spots during the early season.
Next, Lowe was this guy’s only good move so far. Javy V. isn’t that reliable, and KK is mediocre at best. We should have kept Smoltz on a rehab, traded Jo Jo Reyes (<–terrible) and threw the other kids in the fire and said produce wins or you’re out. BMac, Frenchy, Chipper and Escobar are the only things holding this team together.
the real OLD GOLD
May 28th, 2009
4:24 pm
P.S. I would have kept Tex and never thought about Krotchman or whatever his name is. Has anyone ever seen this guy do anything other than tap out to first?
Justafan
May 28th, 2009
4:25 pm
I’d fire Bobby Cox and Coaching staff except Hubbie. I’d hire Ned Yost mgr. Bring back Pat Corrales and let Yost finish out staff. Trade KJ, & Frenchy . Get some speed on team (lead-off) and power hitter. Play ABC baseball.
hop
May 28th, 2009
4:48 pm
I would not trade jeff because the braves have too many other holes in the line-up.making one move does not solve anything.
the value jeff brings would be very low. i would send him back to the minors , maybe mississippi since he likes the manager there.
alsim
May 28th, 2009
4:52 pm
If I were Frank Wren, I would fire myself because I did a lousy job at addressing the lack of power outside of McCann & oft-injured Chipper.
I knew that the problem existed and yet all I really did was offer retreads at the end of their career. One turned us down for Seattle and the other was brought in to be a part time player.
Mine This Bird
May 28th, 2009
4:54 pm
Everyone keeps talking about Francouer’s defensive abilities but I failed to see it when he practically gave Todd Helton a grand slam on a silver platter last Thursday. The kid is a joke.
Braves Fan
May 28th, 2009
5:01 pm
We have to get rid of Garret Anderson. My grandpa runs faster and plays better defense then him. At least Frenchy can play good defense.
We REALLY need a righty power bat and Boston is not the awnser. Maybe we should look at the Rangers for Cruz or the As for Holliday.
Braves Fan
May 28th, 2009
5:18 pm
YES Frank Wren is a DONK. Anderson and Glavine are the dumbest moves EVER!!! AND they are still waiting for Glavine!!!! we dont need Glavine!!!! call up Hanson!!! and get Nelson Cruz or Holliday no matter what they ask for.
Scott
May 28th, 2009
5:27 pm
The Braves trade Francoeur, Medlen and player to be named for Dunn. That solves the homerun problem. Dunn has about half as many home runs as the entire Braves team. He’s also batting .286.
Joebrave
May 28th, 2009
5:28 pm
You probably will see Francouer, and Mike Gonzalez, and another player dealt most likely Brandon Jones due to the ineptitude of Stenchcouer, for Manny Delcarmen,Josh Bard,and Jed Lowrie.
then Ol Wren will flip somma dat to the White sox for .Dye!!!
Joebrave
May 28th, 2009
5:32 pm
Then Maybe I would just have to call Colorado and see if I could pry B.Hawpe, and I Stewart away from them for Medlin,Morton,and Sammons!!! Just a Thought, then maybe the Bust in center field could be covered up a little more.
kelly
May 28th, 2009
5:35 pm
I’m with you Shannon. ATL should embrace and encourage this kid. He is only 25, and I know he will be back. Perhaps something we should consider is a new hitting coach, and pitching for that matter.
If Frenchy goes he will certainly be great again.
Joebrave
May 28th, 2009
5:53 pm
Oh god enuff already about that putrid sack of turds Stenchcouer, He is not going to be back, He has been figured out, and doesn’t have the capacity in his overblown ego to change his approach!!!
El Bravo
May 28th, 2009
6:18 pm
I am all for allowing Frenchy to figure things out… in the Minors. There is absolutely no justification left to keep him struggling at the Show. He may be able to figure it out with some hard work with a better hitting instructor but the bottom line is that it will not happen at this level and it will not happen with TP.
Richard Hamilton
May 28th, 2009
6:18 pm
Ryan Kalish
Bry22
May 28th, 2009
6:31 pm
Send Francoeur & Reyes and Medlen to oakland for Matt Holliday!!!!
Bry22
May 28th, 2009
6:32 pm
TP needs to go!
Bry22
May 28th, 2009
6:33 pm
I would rather have A. Jones thean Francouer
Ted Waterfall
May 28th, 2009
6:35 pm
Jake Peavy!
BIG MAC
May 28th, 2009
6:39 pm
Once again, the Braves have ruined a great prospect by bringing him up too quick. Frenchy should have stayed in AAA last year and earned a roster spot this year instead of being given the job. Schafer needs to be in AAA too—man, Gregor Blanco must have reallllly ticked off someone to not get a call up by now.
THWG
May 28th, 2009
6:49 pm
JF+KJ+some minor league pitching (JoJo, Morton) to Cleveland for DeRosa+LaPorta
Uncle Willy
May 28th, 2009
7:00 pm
Look, The Red Sox are coming to us to make a trade. They may be doing the Braves a favor but I doubt it. Say we want Jason Bey and let them squirm. Also ask for ole pouty mouth as a relief pitcher
Michael C
May 28th, 2009
7:00 pm
Package – Frenchy, KJ, Kawakami, and Medlen
Get- Matt Holliday and keep him for more than half a season. Maybe a 2 year deal.
Also another solid lefty middle reliever.
Fire – TP
Bring up Heyward and Freddie Freeman
We bring Hanson up, and keep Glavine the heck off the pitching mound. When Hudson comes around in August we will have the best pitching staff in baseball
1-Lowe
2-Hudson
3-Jurrjens
4-Vazquez
5-Hanson
Alpharetta
May 28th, 2009
7:01 pm
Seriously, get a good pitching prospect like Jurgens (ok, that may be a tall order) if possible.
yogi2
May 28th, 2009
7:07 pm
we should trade Franquer, Shafer,Norton,carlyle,and Glavine to Washington for Langerhans. he will be better than these jokers!
he used to be our next great center fielder and fizzled just like Frenchie
Chop Chop
May 28th, 2009
7:07 pm
Bay, Lester, Youk and Pedroia for Francoeur.
Done…and done.
TRAVIS
May 28th, 2009
7:23 pm
Frenchy has lost a step and his bat speed is down too…His two piece swing just doesn’t look natural and never has…Again…name one player that has improved since TP came to Atlanta? If hitting coaches are just babysitters then what are they needed for? Maybe it’s to give these young players grief when they aren’t doing it right instead of wiping their behinds. TP find somewhere else to get your free sunflower seeds!
TRAVIS
May 28th, 2009
7:25 pm
Don Baylor to Atlanta now!!
DHD
May 28th, 2009
7:45 pm
Is it a full moon? Incredible suggestions. The only one that makes sense is Pete’s.
Thomas
May 28th, 2009
7:55 pm
A cheeseburger…… wait no a hamburger.
Not Frenchy!!
May 28th, 2009
7:58 pm
Why the heck are we so quick to give up on Jeff. Does everyone forget the great 2 years he had here? He’s from here, he’s a home town hero and it will get turned around. Maybe if they didn’t always put him in the 7 and 8 slot in the batting order, he could so something more. But he has to swing for the fences everytime he’s up cause he’s always facing 2 outs. Even if he’s not, he’s got the pitcher coming up shortly after him. He had a bad year last year and not having a fantastic one for the start of this one, but lets give it some time. Maybe he takes longer to get going(remember Texiera?) DON’T TRADE FRENCHY!!! THEY HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER IN BEAN TOWN!!
Vince
May 28th, 2009
8:02 pm
It’s time to put Bobby Cox out to pasture and Terry Pendleton out of the dugout. A one year MVP in a weak league year talent wise does not make you a hitting coach. It’s apparent nobody is listening to him, if he even knows what to tell them. I don’t have the confidence in Wren & Cox to fix the hitting problems. They threw Josh Anderson out when Shafer should have had some seasoning at AAA. With J. Anderson the Braves would have had speed, a lead off man, and more power. I don’t want them to do another 4 for Tex Mess. Keep our young prospects, their our future. Here’s our short term fix. Get a new hitting coach. Send Shafer down, trade Francour for whatever. Bring Blanco up and give him center. Put Anderson in left and Diaz in right everyday. Bring up another outfielder or trade for a fourth outfielder. When Infante comes back make sure that he and Prado are in the lineup everyday, regardless of where they play. These actions will maximize the use of what we have without bankrupting the minors or paying way too much for a half year rental. Then concentrate in the winter with the same passion they did for pitching to get some hitting. I’m sorry to say that this not a one year(or this year) fix.
SOS
May 28th, 2009
8:09 pm
How about an old mop for Cox, a bag of balls for Pendleton, and used toilet paper for Francouer.
Unknown
May 28th, 2009
8:13 pm
Francoeur, Norton, & Jojo for Bay, Beckett, & DP.
virgilshouse
May 28th, 2009
8:13 pm
call up BRIAN ASSELSTINE
JDbrave
May 28th, 2009
8:28 pm
Hey, maybe we can get JD Drew back here to screw Atlanta one more time, his salary is only $14 million per year. I think that we be a good trade for JF. ha.
mark
May 28th, 2009
8:30 pm
1st off no way u deal him to your division. How about Delmon Young? With Medlan for Andre Eithier? What about with jojo and prado for mcclouth in pitts? uan Peirre and get some stlorn bases? What about with medlan for Dye?
rt
May 28th, 2009
8:51 pm
Get a tee for our other outfilders to hit off!
Boondeck
May 28th, 2009
8:54 pm
Personally I don’t follow the logic. Frenchy is good enough for one of the best and most expensive teams in the major leagues but he’s not good enough for the Braves? What am I missing here? I guess the Braves must have been transformed into a Red Sox farm team. Well good luck to the Sox. Personally if I were to get rid of anyone it would be one of the older players (ie. G. A.) not a young one with talent.
Rob in Mobile
May 28th, 2009
9:14 pm
A can of Boston Baked Beans and a case of burritos. I mean, the Braves are stinking up the joint anyway, might as well add to the smell. The plus side is that no one will be able to rip Frenchy on the blogs anymore – the Boston folks will, soon enough…..
Barnesy
May 28th, 2009
9:17 pm
Once Frenchy is gone, there will be plenty of Tee times. The man’s focus is wrong.
tee
May 28th, 2009
9:34 pm
Trade Chipper! We don’t see him but every other day
Truthteller
May 28th, 2009
9:43 pm
Jeff is not worth anything so whatever we get is fine and please take Bobby Cox with you…bring back Leo M
Paul Lentz
May 28th, 2009
9:54 pm
To be honest, I hope the Braves just get rid of Franceour. Trade him for some marginal prospect. Trading Franceour means that not only will the Braves not have to pay him the remaining $2 mil left on his contract, but that they also wont have to face the “dilemma” of having to tender him arbitration next year and getting stuck paying him $5-6 mil to suck some more.
Also, I hope the Braves do not add Tom Glavine to the roster. Paying him potentially $3.5 mi to pitch 5 innings a game isnt worth it. I would rather let Medlen pitch. At least Medlen has the potential to throw 6-7 innings. I like his stuff. I feel that Medlen will continue to improve.
If the Braves had the courage to follow my “suggestions”, then they could use the potential $5.5 mil in savings to go towards possibly acquiring a big bat before the trade deadline.
Regardless, Glavine is over the hill, Franceour’s flame has died out. It’s time to go in a different direction.
Robert
May 28th, 2009
9:55 pm
Francoeur reminds me of an impetuous young man lacking in patience who swings wildly without a real plan of attack. Smart hitters use their head and try to anticipate. Francoeur comes to bat seemingly with no plan of what to look for. He’s not selective because he doesn’t have an idea what to look for. He has enourmous talent, enourmous potential, but his lack of smarts is sadly endangering his own career. He needs a strong hitting coach to put it all together for him then he needs to LISTEN.
richbrave
May 28th, 2009
9:57 pm
Clueless.
scott
May 28th, 2009
10:01 pm
y did we not get ibanez for 10 mil….our outfield sucks..kawakami sucks too, waste of money..glavin 1 mill, waste. what a waste for the braves..i’m spoiled like the rest of us, but bobby is losing it too! i am glad of the pitching upgrades but why didn’t they get some power, we have single hitters…why not adam dunn..we blew it this year, no way we make the playoffs
Paul Lentz
May 28th, 2009
10:04 pm
Runners on first and second, no outs…..Franceour strikes out. Big surprise. No attempt to move the runners over, just swinging for the fences and coming up empty.
Yet many of you are blind in your loyalty to Franceour.
Just me
May 28th, 2009
10:05 pm
Jeff is just another example of Terry Pendleton ruining a good hitter and player.
Name one player who TP has helped improve.
How many more young guys is management going to allow TP to mess up? He is the Braves big problem, not the players.
Hitting won’t get any better till he’s gone.
rabiddawg
May 28th, 2009
10:06 pm
Prime example of whats wrong with the team. 1st and 2nd with 0 outs and the botom of the oder up. What happens? Frency struck out badly, Hernandez struck out badly and Schaffer… you guessed it, struck out badly. All you need is to make contact and move them over but these bones can not even make contact. Thats basic baseball.
Bleu_Bayou42
May 28th, 2009
10:08 pm
That picture of Glavin in a Gwinnett Uni reminded me of “old school” for some reason. Oh boy looks old as hell.
Bleu_Bayou42
May 28th, 2009
10:08 pm
Frenchy flat out sucks!
way outside, and Frenchy swung anyway
May 28th, 2009
10:12 pm
We all are entitled to our opinions, but seriously…let Francouer have more time to work out his hitting problems…I just don’t understand that logic. He’s had over a year to work out his problems, the farther away from his long, arduous 3 day stint in Texas with a hitting guru he gets the more he reverts to the Frenchy of last year. Perfect example on Monday, two straight walks by the pitcher, he can’t find the zone and Frenchy gets up and waves at three way outside. I wish he did, but he just doesn’t get it.
‘Wish Wren had given Andruw another chance, projected over 500 at bats, he’s ..blah,blah’ This is ANDRUW you’re talking about. Projected over a 550 at bat season, he’s 235 with 200 plus strikeouts and 25 homers, 20 of ‘em solo shots because with runners on base he hits 195.
Our outfield is a mess right now, Frenchy can’t hit a lick, Anderson seems to have checked out already, and KS, after early success, can’t seem to lay off a high fastball. Can’t hit ‘em can’t lay off ‘em. Wren’s got his work cutout for him.
scott
May 28th, 2009
10:14 pm
schafer needs to be removed like before the 4th inning…he sucks
Cahos
May 28th, 2009
10:17 pm
Just send Frenchy to the minor trading him will just give you another outfield problem just like AFTER CHIPPER JONES’S INJURY PLAYING LEFT FIELD just send him to AAA if you want to focus on trading focus on a better ballpen better than the 90’s.
Line Up
C- Mc Cann
1B- Kotchman
2B- Johnson
SS- Esobar or good prospect
3B- Chipper
RF- Frenchy or back up 4 season
CF- Schafer
LF- Diaz and possible starter for next year
Pitching rotation
1. Lowe
2. JJ
3. Vazquez
4. Kawakami
5. Hanson
6. Hudson (just to keep the rest of the rotaion healthy)
Bullpen
SAME just get a good young player to be a closer.
rabiddawg
May 28th, 2009
10:18 pm
Dern, AZ scored 1 run. Well theres always tomorrows game.
scott
May 28th, 2009
10:21 pm
i live in knoxville and have been to 5 home games this year…want more people going to the game? spend some damn money Atlanta and stop wasting money filling holes with old vets and hoping young talent for 300k a year will get you to the WS..you could have picked up a power hitter with all the wasted payroll you have spent…and why is nobody talking about how bad gonzalez is, we have not a had a lights out closer (besides smoltz) that wasn’t always hurt or blowing saves…I love the Braves but I am just getting so down on following my team the last 4 years.
Bleu_Bayou42
May 28th, 2009
10:23 pm
way outside, and Frenchy swung anyway , You are walking contradiction. Read what you wrote. You can’t sugar coat Frenchy’s 2 year slump in your first sentence and then slam him. Don’t try to play nice guy. Frenchy sucks at hitting and you know it. There is no getting around it. No body is going to cure it.
J
May 28th, 2009
10:23 pm
trade jojo francouer kelly johnson for josh hamilton that way prado and infante can playsecond when they get back!
Bleu_Bayou42
May 28th, 2009
10:26 pm
scott , we are owned by some Liberty Mutual Company and due to some freaking tax loop hole they can’t sell to a real owner. I wish we had to cash for some power.
Paul Lentz
May 28th, 2009
10:27 pm
Chipper Jones, who is playing on a bum foot, shows the big difference between him and Franceour. Instead of trying to swing for the fences, Chipper goes with the pitch, extends his arms and DRIVES the ball to deep center, just missing a homer.
For once, I’d love to see Franceour actually drive the ball with some power like that. However he simply refuses to..or…maybe he simply does not have the ability to do that. If he doesnt, then he will never be a good player.
scott
May 28th, 2009
10:27 pm
maybe we can get Michael Jordan… he could hit better then schafer
Bleu_Bayou42
May 28th, 2009
10:28 pm
J, you need to check out Josh Hamilton’s number since the all star break of last year to current day. The dude is off the juice and sucks. Look at the numbers.
scott
May 28th, 2009
10:29 pm
Bleu I know but we still were in top 10 in payroll at 90 mil…I’m saying we wasted alot of money on poor decisions
Bleu_Bayou42
May 28th, 2009
10:30 pm
D-Lowe is the rock.
Bleu_Bayou42
May 28th, 2009
10:32 pm
Outside of Huddy who is not playing who is over paid on our roster?
J
May 28th, 2009
10:33 pm
Bleu He has been hurt that why is numbers are down and besides what do we lose if we give up frency whos hitting .251 kj .246 and jojo era7.00 and is 0 and 100 in his last starts
Bleu_Bayou42
May 28th, 2009
10:33 pm
Frenchy just sucks- Schafer is not ready bottom line.
J
May 28th, 2009
10:36 pm
grego blanco should get a shot schafer cant handle the fastball
Bleu_Bayou42
May 28th, 2009
10:38 pm
J, I watched the Yankee Ranger game last night and they said JH had 11 homers after the break last year and he is currently batting 241 in 31 games with 6 hrs.
Bleu_Bayou42
May 28th, 2009
10:40 pm
I don’t blame Wren or Cox. I don’t think anybody could predict that Frenchy Schafer would suck this bad, especially after the spring they had.
Bleu_Bayou42
May 28th, 2009
10:42 pm
J, you are exactly right. Grego Blanco should get his shot. He could bat lead off. Move KJ to the 6 to 8 hole in the line up where he thrives, It would be a win win. Plus we would have somebody that could still a freaking base.
scott
May 28th, 2009
10:45 pm
You ask me who we have wasted payroll on? well, here goes.. check out the saleries and you tell me…Kawakami, GA, Gonzalez, Frenchy, Glavine, ..there is 18 million right there!! we could have got ibanez or dunn and kept kawakami if you like him
scott
May 28th, 2009
10:48 pm
ibanez in center diaz in left and picked up a rf’ed for 5 mil and dropped kawasaki
rabiddawg
May 28th, 2009
10:48 pm
Well on our way to being 0 for the road trip and being buried in the NL east. Well look at that, a KJ error costs us an extra run. The Braves are FANTASTIC!!!!
rabiddawg
May 28th, 2009
10:48 pm
Enter your comments here
Bleu_Bayou42
May 28th, 2009
10:51 pm
You may have case with Kawakami if he continues to be a bust, but the rest of those guys you named aren’t really budget busters with their current contracts. I am heading to DOB’s blog. later guys.
Bleu_Bayou42
May 28th, 2009
10:51 pm
Gross majority of payroll is tied up with Chipper, Lowe and Huddy.
N. GA. BOB
May 28th, 2009
10:59 pm
I for one agree that the problem is the hitting coach. Cox must keep him around for ol time sake? Get real! FIRE TP ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!
Virginia Ranger
May 28th, 2009
10:59 pm
How aboiut Ted Williams for French. At least Teddy Baseball is solid
Louis
May 28th, 2009
11:03 pm
I support trading for Andruw Jones. Give them Morton.
Ted
May 28th, 2009
11:51 pm
Manny’s old bats
reno
May 28th, 2009
11:59 pm
When will Craig Heyward be ready?
reno
May 29th, 2009
12:01 am
KJ is a #6 hitter. Franceour shouldn’t hit higher than #7 in the batting order. We should of kept Anderson (now in DTW). Schafer just doesn’t look ready.
Paul Lentz
May 29th, 2009
12:07 am
Last at-bat, Franceour swings at a terrible pitch. 0-4, 2 strikeouts. Look, I know that other guys are struggling. However, all the other guys have had stretches where they have been productive and helped the Braves win, with the exception of Schafer. However, Schafer deserves a pass because he is a rookie, plays a pivotal outfield position, and has potential. He wasnt brought up to carry the offense.
However Franceour was counted on to help Chipper and McCann carry the offense. The Braves cannot afford to carry 2 starting outfielders who cant hit. Franceour either needs to be sent down to Triple A, or traded if he doesnt humble himself enough to say to himself “look, I have some mechanical errors I need to correct. If I can start hitting like I know I’m capable of, then I’ll be back up in the Majors in no time”.
But regardless, he needs to sit down. Seeing him swing at slop, swinging for the fences, at best punching weak singles to right field, etc. is getting tiresome.
Turkeylegs
May 29th, 2009
12:29 am
Maybe a middling prospect?
Boo Boo
May 29th, 2009
1:01 am
Whoever they get, he, she, or it needs to be high paid, old, weak armed, slow footed, singles hitting (nothing greater than .235), and very polite. Can’t forget polite. When a ball in the gap goes to the wall the Braves need more outfielders who say, “After you.” or “No. After you. I insist” That’s the kind of Brave I want to get to know on the AJC. Gotta love the polite ones.
Edwin
May 29th, 2009
1:33 am
I’m tired of watching the Braves play. In my 20 years as a fan I have never before said that. Watching them play right now with the players they have is disgusting. I’d much rather watch the nationals play. they at least can score runs. Trade for a player who puts the ball in play a lot. like Maggs
Chase Thomas
May 29th, 2009
1:45 am
This was a bad idea. Obviously these fans know very little when it comes to baseball.
Just glancing through this I have read the Braves should acquire Smoltz, Ortiz, Bay, and other hilarious moves. Did I also see Medlen should be shipped off as well? This is just asinine and to honestly consider trading a top pitching prospect like that along with other young talent for virtually nothing is laughable.
Francoeur needs to be moved or sent down. I’d actually rather just send him down to AAA for the remainder of the season as his contract is up anyway. He’s obviously not going to be resigned and with his huge regression trading for him just will not solve the huge glaring hole the Braves have; a consistent outfield.
The Braves aren’t healthy in the infield, and once Escobar and Infante and of course Chipper get back on track the offense will pick up. The Braves are going to be playing .500 ball all season if a major trade for a power bat isn’t made. Francoeur will not get a power bat in return. He would actually be best down in Gwinnett and really boost the attendance as Gwinnett is the only place you’ll find avid Frenchy fans these days.
Garrett Anderson was a terrible move by Wren and not signing Dunn could be costly. Anderson brings nothing the Braves already have in Diaz to the plate and having him in left is a huge liability. His defense is horrid and his plate discipline is equally horrid. Unfortunately, the Braves have no other options at this point and have to wait on Heyward.
Schafer has done fine in the outfield and people tend to forget how soon he was rushed to the majors. The Braves have been looking for someone to be the permanent CF and Schafer is that. He can cover lots of ground and is just bi polar at the plate. I blame this mostly on Pendleton and his job as the hitting coach.
This teams struggles at the plate is also associated with Pendleton’s instructions and how poorly he’s done his job. He needs to be replaced, but that probably won’t come anytime soon.
I also saw fans complaining about Hanson not being called up yet? I guess people don’t keep up with this team or MLB much because Hanson is still in AAA for arbitration reasons.
It’s becoming painfully obvious this team is a work in progress and most likely won’t be serious contenders for a couple of years.
Runnin
May 29th, 2009
2:10 am
It’s clear that there aren’t many good options out there and that most people are not only frustrated with Jeff but with the whole Braves offense, which they at least partially blame, fairly or not, Terry Pendleton and Bobby Cox.
tootle loo
May 29th, 2009
6:42 am
Send Frenchy, Kelly Johnson, and JoJo Reyes to Houston for Hunter Pence and a minor league reliever. If Houston wants more, then give them Morton instead of JoJo or (gulp) Medlen.
The lineup will be better with both Prado and Pence in it everyday. This lineup needs some guys that hit for average on a consistent basis and that make pitchers work. Do that, then just watch the power numbers soar from Chipper, Mac, and Kotch.
Pence can even play center for the time being. Then we can call up B Jones for RF and send Schafer down for more seasoning.
Pence is the perfect fit. Boston doesn’t need anything they already have. Houston could use a 2nd baseman and pitching, and we could lose a left handed bat. Makes sense for me on all sides of the ball.
BringOnHanson
May 29th, 2009
7:15 am
Trade Frenchy to Tejas for Rudy.
Smooth
May 29th, 2009
7:18 am
Let’s throw in a pitching prospect and get Jason Bay.
Marc
May 29th, 2009
7:26 am
Lol, yeah Frenchy and a pitching prospect is going to land us Jason Bay, especially when the whole idea behind the trade would be to add outfielders to the Red Sox’s team. Trade him for pitching bait, throw that bait in a package with Morton and Gorky; see if that’s enough to get Holliday. I mean, if it is, what have you lost? If it’s not, what have you lost?
Bobbymahlon
May 29th, 2009
7:42 am
I think it’s time to platoon Franceour with Brandon Jones in right or Jason Heyward or trade for Rocco Baldelli because that is about all your going to get for him at this time. It would be alot easier for Heyward to only have to face right hand hitting as he acklimates to the biggies. Franceour would also benefit by not having to face righties.
chbeyer
May 29th, 2009
7:56 am
Many silly posts here. Jeff had two 100+ RBI seasons and has earned golden glove honors. He has huge upside. Just wait until he is traded, gets some REAL batting coaching and becomes and all-star. It will happen. He is clearly in a slump and is batting poorly. That said, there is enough history there to suggest that he has a lot of potential and many years to contribut at a high level in the major leagues.
Matt
May 29th, 2009
8:15 am
Ah yes … the what have you done for me lately crowd is here in full force. Here are two things I don’t understand.
- Jeff doesn’t work the count or take pitches
- Why isn’t Jordan batting leadoff? He could bunt, earn walks, steal bases
High hopes beginning to fade
May 29th, 2009
8:47 am
Man, I admit I drank the kool-aid during spring training and believed Frenchy would have 25 homers and 100 rbi this year. As it turns out we are probably in the early stages of a downward spiral during which we could have 2-3 all-star caliber pitchers and still win 70 games.
Maybe it’s time to cut bait.
Tim
May 29th, 2009
8:54 am
Frenchy for David Ortiz…haha.
dogsbrekky
May 29th, 2009
8:55 am
Froggy, Parr and JoJO for Bay and a prospect
DavidTH
May 29th, 2009
9:07 am
I wont trade Frenchy, I’d get a new batting coach or least tell Chipper to work with him. He is a good outfielder that scares runners on base with his arm. But if you DO trade then get Jason Bay somehow.
ZaneSmith's teeth
May 29th, 2009
9:18 am
Players love Cox because he “treats them like professionals” i.e., he lets them do whatever they want. Don’t want to learn the strike zone, you don’t have to. Don’t want to move the runner over or bunt, don’t worry about it. This style may work well when you have a HOF pitching rotation that comes along once a century, but it’s not reccomended otherwise. Send Frenchy down and for God’s sake trade one of the pitchers for a mid-range OF who can hit 270 20 75.
Jeff P.
May 29th, 2009
9:27 am
In this case, I think it’ll have to be a 3 team trade. Sox want Frenchy. They need to give up some starting pitching to bring their young stud up. We don’t need pitching. Does Oakland? Probalby. We get Holliday, Oakland gets a pitcher and Boston gets Frenchy (plus possibly Medlin or someone to make this a closer to fair deal).
Susan
May 29th, 2009
9:27 am
I think the real problem here is TP. He is not a hitting coach at all and can not figure out why they keep him. Frenchy goes to Texas, uses their pitching coach he starts out great, then gets around TP and the average suffers. When Chipper has a problem with his swing does he go to TP NO he talks with his Dad, same goes with McCann.
You get a qualified hitting coach and you would see a BIG difference in the club.
Don’t count Frenchy out….
Mania
May 29th, 2009
9:28 am
Poor Jeff. How soon we forget that there are other players on the team that aren’t carrying their weight either. How about Chipper? Or Kelly Johnson? Or the next boy wonder Schafer? Francouer is tied for 1st on the team in hits and runs scored. He’s also 2nd in RBIs. So give him a break. It’s not a one man show out there. As much as I like Jeff, I hope he goes to another team and does well. At least everyone on here will shut up about it either way and move on.
Susan
May 29th, 2009
9:34 am
Hey on my comments earlier I meant to say “hitting” coach from Texas and not “pitching” coach…..
Phil
May 29th, 2009
9:35 am
As a lifelong Braves fan, I would send Francoeur AND Bobby Cox to Boston for a few gallons of lobster stew and clam chowder!
Ron
May 29th, 2009
9:52 am
You mean what I would want or what I could get for arguably the worst offensive outfielder in baseball over the past two seasons? Those are two very different things ….
They obviously need an outfielder, but they’re going to have to add somebody to the deal because what idiot would trade one-on-one for Francoeur? The Braves really screwed this one up. They’ve backed themselves way in a corner, not only with Frenchy but also with overmatched Schaefer and having nobody else who can play center.
Giving Josh Anderson away – that was brilliant.
For Frenchy? A decent prospect is all they could hope for now.
NRS
May 29th, 2009
10:17 am
anderson/diaz, jojo and frenchy for bay and daniel bard
Tom Baynham
May 29th, 2009
10:22 am
send Jeff and cash to Boston for Justin Masterson and Jonathon Van Every;send Schefer to Single A and bring back Blanco; the sooner the better!
mmhmmm
May 29th, 2009
10:23 am
a box of balls and a six pack of beer .275 OBP in the majors
David Justice?
THE BEAR Illegitimi non carborundum
May 29th, 2009
10:40 am
All of you are sooooo judgmental. How are you going to replace all those RBI’S Jeff is delivering from way down in the lineup. Oh yeah, he is second on the team at this point in time. Yep, SECOND in RBI’s.
Marc
May 29th, 2009
10:48 am
Good lord… The Red Sox are in position to win the whole thing and they’re going to, for some unknown reason, trade Jason Bay to the Braves for one of the biggest OF offensive liabilities in the game right now and a 2nd tier pitching prospect? If they were in last place, and if we threw in JJ AND another top prospect like Heyward, then MAYBE they would consider it. Bay is proving to be a stud, he’s on a winning team that can easily manage his salary. We’re not getting him, forget about it already.
DC Bravesfan
May 29th, 2009
10:51 am
I’d go back to the beginning of the season, and would have SIGNED ADAM DUNN!!! He’s wasting away here in Washington while we have Garret Anderson…
ElonBrave
May 29th, 2009
10:55 am
Jim Edmonds in a corner spot.
Russell
May 29th, 2009
10:58 am
Bring Back Deion Sanders! Atlanta needs a little PRIME TIME!
“If you look good…you play good….If you play good….you get payed good”
Deon Sanders
Marc
May 29th, 2009
11:04 am
THE BEAR, let’s look at Jeff’s RBI’s.
April – 13 RBI
10 RBI from Apr 5th to 19th,
3 RBI from Apr 20th to 29th
May – 8 RBI
6 RBI from May 1st to 11th
2 RBI from May 12th to 28th, both coming on May 20th with a 1 hit performance
He also has 19 strikeouts and 1 walk this month versus 7 strikeouts and 4 walks in May.
The point I’m getting at is either pitchers have figured him out or he’s going back to his old ways (or maybe both). No one wants to see this kid go on a tear more than me, but results do matter at this level. If him and Schafer can’t get it together in the next couple of weeks, they’ll be demoted or moved, and rightfully so.
I do think he can do it though if he gets on it like a boy-dog. There is one hopeful stat. He had 22 hits in April, and has 23 in May. Granted, he has 10 more plate appearances this month. Another upsetting number though – .422 SLG in April versus .283 in May.
Marc
May 29th, 2009
11:06 am
Correction on above post, he has 22 hits in May, and had 23 in April, and my plate appearances were wrong. He has 99 at-bats this month, versus 83 in April. Hence the AVG drop.
Marc
May 29th, 2009
11:07 am
Correction to my above post. He has 22 hits in 99 at-bats in May, had 23 hits in 83 at-bats in April.
Marc
May 29th, 2009
11:08 am
Damn blog lag, sorry.
DC Bravesfan
May 29th, 2009
11:36 am
He’s a headcase…he’s trying to be everything (hitting for average, RBI, HR’s, OB%, etc…) and he’s end up being nothing. If he’d just start focusing on hitting dingers, he could take over the cleanup spot. If he’d focus on his average, well, you get the picture.
Sid
May 29th, 2009
11:41 am
Why not trade jojo, diaz, morton and francouer to the Mets for Wright, reyes and santana? That wouldmake the Braves much better, and hurt our main competition at the same time. If I can think of it, why can’t frank Wren?
BrianT
May 29th, 2009
11:47 am
Hate to say it, but is isn’t all Frenchy. Don’t get me wrong he is a major part of it, but when you have four automatic outs (Diory, Jordan, Frenchy, and whoever is pitching(, thats four out of nine in the lineup that aren’t producing! Please send Frenchy down and call up Blanco. Blanco can play center, move Kelly to left and Diaz to right. Release Garret Anderson, call up Brandon Jones and send Schaffer to Gwinett where he can get his swing back without so much pressure, you can see it on his face how frustrated that he is.
sal
May 29th, 2009
12:09 pm
Trade Chipper. Jammed with pitch & out with sore thumb. Running to first, step on bag, out with sore toe. More errors than homers. He is out of lineup so much, we would not miss him anyway. Get a couple of prospects and a glove for Kelley Johnson then wait a couple of years. Maybe then Braves could compete for wildcard spot. Nothing will fix this .500 team in short term.
BringOnHanson
May 29th, 2009
12:19 pm
Frenchy and no one will bring back Jason Bay. I do feel that you may see a point that Garret Adnerson, Frenchy and a secondary starter or two may be available in trades. I do not see prospects being dealt. That would be disaster. See the Mark Texeira trade with Texas as an example! Boston will not offer what the Braves need in the way of outfield help in return for Frenchy and a prospect. That would weaken their lineup and they are not a pretender, they are a contender. The Braves would be better suited to deal with a team already out of it if they plan to acquire someone who will add punch to their lineup. I honestly feel that Atlanta will do very little to improve the team this season. They are a mediocre team and any of the moves that have been talked about so far leave them mediocre.
Horner's Corner
May 29th, 2009
12:23 pm
1) Frenchy has a lot of hits because he plays everyday and he NEVER draws walks. Having a lot of hits and sub .300 OBP is not impressive.
2) Frenchy has a handful of RBI’s because EVERY team will pitch around the Braves good hitters in order to face Jeff with runners on base. A 100 RBI’s in a season does always equal great hitting, sometimes it means you just get a lot more opportunites. For example Chipper had less than 80 RBI’s last year, so I guess one can deduct that he had an awful season, right?
True Braves Fan
May 29th, 2009
12:25 pm
You people are mean
Fred
May 29th, 2009
12:39 pm
A consistent second baseman and a hitting coach…..Lets be sure to send Kelly Johnson someplace else too
fire_cox
May 29th, 2009
12:57 pm
unrealistic but….send over Gonzo, KJ, KC, and Frenchie, Chipper for Pedroia, Papelbon, Mike Lowell, Bay, Baldelli…
there how is that trade
BOSTON bRAVES
May 29th, 2009
12:58 pm
Being and living in the Boston area, I would love to have Frenchy here. With Ortiz slumping, use JD part time as DH and part time in RF. Frenchy will also get time when JD gets his annual 2 month injury and hopefully Ortiz is out of his funk (or gone) and can DH Full time again. Rocco B staraight up in the deal, bring up Blanco for insurance.
BUT the person who has to go is Terry Pendleton. Nobody listens to him. The 2 best hitters talk to their dads over the phone and get better results. How many more hitters with below 2.20 averages is it going to take to get him out?
Beetruck
May 29th, 2009
12:58 pm
Frenchy, for anyone….for just the shear pleasure of seeing someone else strike out, try to pull outside pitches and topping them to short….and Bennett for anyone, just because I dont think any major leaguer could throw as many balls
Jarrett Storm
May 29th, 2009
1:08 pm
Frenchy is not going to Boston. We need a Right Handed power bat to hit between Chipper & McCann. I wish Jeff could straighten himself out becasue I would hate to see him go. We gotta do what we gotta do. We are in this race!!! Package Frenchy, JoJo Reyes, and Gorkys Hernandez for Matt Holiday. Do this trade right now!
PB&J
May 29th, 2009
1:11 pm
If Frenchy goes to Boston, and he changes his approach to hitting and goes deeper into the count and has a higher average, we had better take a good close look at Terry Pendelton and finally start asking questions!
Jarrett Storm
May 29th, 2009
1:12 pm
Franceour would look good in Oakland green & gold and this would give him the fresh start that he needs. We need a Right Handed power bat to hit cleanup…Holliday is perfect. We would also, of course, have to sign him long term. Trade anybody besides Hanson, Freddie Freeman, and Heyward. JoJo Reyes is from California and is a mjor leauge ready Left Handed starter. Gorkys Hernandez is a future stud CF, but we have Schaeffer. Throw in Frenchy with 2 minor leaugers and call it a day. Wren, get on the ophone with Oakland!
Jarrett Storm
May 29th, 2009
1:13 pm
Boston has nothing to give us….are ya’ll crazy? Franceour is not going to the BoSox…I guarantee it.
Tom
May 29th, 2009
1:24 pm
Trade that sorry Glavine kid. You can’t keep a pitcher with 21 losses in his first 43 games in the major leagues. He had a 5.54 ERA his first year and a 4.56 ERA his second. The guy can’t pitch against major league hitters. He has no fastball and not much of anything else. How is he going to survive in the major leagues with nothing but a changeup? Get rid of him now while there’s still a chance to get a couple of broken bats for him. He’ll never amount to anything in the major leagues. While you’re at it, throw in Smoltz along with him. Smoltz may be doing a little better this year, but his 2 -7 record with a 5.48 ERA last season is a better indication of what kind of player he is – sorry. Give up on both of them now, before it’s too late. If you package both of them together, you might be able to get a guy like Wes Gardener. He won 12 games last year with a 3.50 ERA. That’s 8 more wins than Glavine and Smoltz combined and a much lower ERA. With Gardner we might be able to win a few games next year. With Glavine and Smoltz in the rotation, we’ll be a last place team for the next 15 years.
Oh…wait a minute…It’s not 1989 anymore. It’s 2009. My bad.
Trade Frenchy, Schafer and all our other young guys for some older guys who no one will remember in 5 years. With some old guys who are at the peak of a mediocre career, we might win a few more games this year. With all of these young guys – who knows? Give up on them now, before it’s too late.
abnbrave
May 29th, 2009
1:26 pm
How about trading Blackjack for Leo and TP for Ned Yost.
PB&J
May 29th, 2009
1:27 pm
The point is if he does leave and starts hitting and becomes the player we anticiated, we had better finally look at TP and consider a change. Think about it, both Chipper and Brian have already said that they more often turn to their dads instead of Terry Pendleton for hitting advice.
ChillyMutt
May 29th, 2009
1:30 pm
LMAO @ “autographed pictures of Johnny Damon”
Marc
May 29th, 2009
1:30 pm
New approach – Ryan Spilborghs from Colorado Rockies.
He’s an expendable player on a team that’s 14.5 games out of first place already. He can play any OF position we need him at and is solid defensively. He’s not the big power hitter we’re wanting, but it he could help bring consistency to the right side of the plate without selling the farm. I bet would could get him for a 2nd tier starting pitching prospect and and one of our “big potential but no results yet” relievers since Rockies desperately need more pitching depth. Not sure how many years are left before he goes FA, but he’s making the league minimum right now.
Just to note, here’s his stats for last year and so far this year:
2008: 223 AB, 38 R, 6 HR, 36 RBI, 38 BB, 41 SO, 7 SB, .313 AVG, .407 OBP
2009: 150 AB, 23 R, 4 HR, 22 RBI, 15 BB, 34 SO, 6 SB, .273 AVG, .345 OBP
One the unique things about this acquisition would be we could hang on to Francour as I don’t see the Rockies wanting his salary.
TK
May 29th, 2009
1:31 pm
Franceour, KJ, Morton, and another from the farm to Baltimore for Brian Roberts and Nick Markakis. In Roberts you have a lead off man. Nick hits 4 or 5 who is signed for the next 6 years.
Greg Brooking
May 29th, 2009
1:40 pm
. . . someone with the ability to improve. Failing that, a bag peanuts.
Dan
May 29th, 2009
2:01 pm
How about their GM.
PB&J
May 29th, 2009
2:09 pm
I want Ted Turner back! At least I know where the buck stops!
Jfreak
May 29th, 2009
2:12 pm
I know Frenchy doesn’t read this garbage but if by some chance he decides to open the sport section let me give him some advice. Get out of here while you can! These fans are idiots. I would bet most haven’t been to one game all year and yet somehow think their opinion really matters. It’s like someone who doesn’t vote complaining about taxes! I’m sure Frenchy will get traded and we’ll get some has been or never will be in return. All the while Frenchy will go onto to be who he once was and maturing to all he will one day be. There is nobody on Boston’s team that I would prefer over Frenchy that Boston would be willing to trade.
fire_cox
May 29th, 2009
2:21 pm
It’ll be a package deal…Frenchie, Gonzo, JoJo, KJ, KC, Chipper, Shafer, Lowe, McCann for Pedroia, Lowell, Bay, Baldelli, Ellsbury, Ortiz, Green, Papelbon, Lester, Varitek
AceCometh
May 29th, 2009
2:23 pm
Why not trade Frenchy for Jacoby Ellsbury? I’m sure the Braves have a minor leaguer to throw in that isn’t named Tommy Hansen. That would solve the hole in the leadoff spot in the batting order.
fire_cox
May 29th, 2009
2:32 pm
good one Dan
Beardy
May 29th, 2009
2:43 pm
THE NATURAL
PB&J
May 29th, 2009
2:46 pm
Uh… can you picture seeing Theo Epstein’s face after listening to the trade offer of Frenchy and a minor leaguer for Jacoby Ellsbury? LOL Yah… and I’d like to deal TP for Phillies’ Jimmy Rollins or better yet, Raul Ibanez… buuuut something tells me they might not go for it.
James
May 29th, 2009
2:52 pm
Brad Hawpe or Aubrey Huff
Ben
May 29th, 2009
3:14 pm
Okay , this is what I want. What it will take to get it I don’t know, but I say forget Boston, work a deal to bring Juan Pierre to the ATL. He is batting .407 with 25 runs scored, 20 RBI’s and 10 steals. He’ll get on base and get in scoring position. He’ll help produce runs. Rather deal with the Dodgers than Boston. Work it to get Clayton Kershaw too and the team will be ready to roll.
Pierre’s salary is below.
2009: $10 million, 2010: $10 million, 2011: $8.5 million
BRAVES OUTFIELD SUCKS
May 29th, 2009
3:28 pm
SEND Schafer TO THE MINORSSSSSS. THE DUDE CANT HIT A BASKETBALL…. BRING BLANCO UP. AT LEAST HE CAN RUN……….. ADN YES TRADE FRANCOEUR
todd
May 29th, 2009
3:35 pm
I’m as disappointed in Francouer as anyone but dammit I want him to just get his S**t together and play for the Braves. Normally, I would say get rid of the guy but he’s a hometown kid, I’ve watched him from his first at bat, and I just want to stick with the guy. I’m emotionally invested here. Get your S**t together Francuoer!!
ANT
May 29th, 2009
4:04 pm
I noticed on boston.com blogs that Sox fans are livid about the rumors of a Francoeur trade. Most bloggers are saying Francoeur is a waste – and that Theo should have his head examined if he swings a trade.
I bring this up not because I think it’ll happen, but because it shows you what others also think about Francoeur. Sad really.
MontanaBravo
May 29th, 2009
4:07 pm
Red Sox want Frenchy????
Something amiss there….They put that rumor into circulation so that Tex would read it and pull his groin laughing.
If they do want Frenchy (be careful what you ask for) then the smart thing for everybody involved would be to send us Drew. One overhyped, overpayed, narcist golden boy for another. They are cut in the same cloth, both being guys who can deliver for a time (just enough for us to annoint him) and then suddenly stop listening to everyone. Will say this about Drew though, he knows enough about playing the game to lay off some of those pitches long enough to collect the big $$$. Problem with Frenchy is he just can’t. I don’t think it’s because he doesn’t want to, he just can’t. Same way I only take out $40 for my limit before I go in to the Doll House in Ft Lauderdale. Just too much temptation.
Here’s my thing about Terry Pendleton, he is the Mike Singletary of MLB. Content to let his ego override anything he can actually teach guys. Given that these guy WON’T take any of his advice, let’s just cut bait. I think that he has alienated some players to such an extent that it’s getting derisive and I don’t think anyone, not even Chipper will trash him in public.
If we are going, let’s go big and dangle what little we have – Reyes, Acosta, Morton, Campillo AND Medlen. Only untouchable would be Heyward and Hanson.
Let’s get a regular 2B and an OF. We then put KJ back into the OF.
Schafer has so much more upside than Anderson any day of the week.
Daniel
May 29th, 2009
4:32 pm
the only thing of value for Francouer would be to package deal him. We cannot get anything from the Red Sox that would be helpful. I mean Roco Bardelli is the most logical? choice. But, that doesn’t do anything for me. obviously getting Bay would make my summer, but then again so would magically being able fly would also. So I am not counting on it.
Grady
May 29th, 2009
5:03 pm
Frenchy is a good player who just has to learn pitch recognition. I wouldn’t trade him for anyone. Dale Murphy was also a sub 300 hitter with a strong arm. He’s been here for only a few years. If you had to trade him, go for Ellsbury. That’s it. No one else is worth it. YOu need another young guy. Frenchy has yet to hit his prime as a hitter and I think patience is the biggest key here.
PB&J
May 29th, 2009
5:16 pm
We need to wait at least until around the All-Star game to start to discuss Frenchy… That said, we’ll be far enough back at the break that we’ll be sellers rather than buyers…
Daniel A.
May 29th, 2009
5:19 pm
Package a deal to send Francouer, Charlie Morton and Jo Jo to Oakland for Matt Holliday. I don’t really care that it’s a rental… all that matters is that we’ve got a legit shot at the playoffs, but only if we get a hitter in the outfield.
Can I get a witness?
May 29th, 2009
5:51 pm
If you go back and look at Frenchy when he first came up you can readily see that he was bigger then as he is now. Steroids maybe?
Can I get a witness?
Paul Lentz
May 29th, 2009
6:08 pm
Todd, I am “heavily emotionally invest” in seeing the Braves win. Are you a Braves fan first and foremost, or a Jeff Franceour fan?
Grady, for you to compare Jeff Franceour to Dale Murphy, just because they share common abilities of having a strong throwing arm and hitting under .300, is a joke. It’s an insult to Dale Murphy. Franceour will never come close to being the player Dale Murphy was. Dale Murphy never had a year where he only had 3 homers at the end of May. Murphy never had stretches where he went without hitting the ball with power like Franceour has. Murphy was a much more complete player than Franceour could ever dream of being. The Murph could run and draw walks. In 1987, Murphy drew 115 walks in 566 at-bats. Franceour has drawn 120 walks in 2331 career at-bats. The Murph had 7 seasons where he stole 10+ bases (with a high of 30 in 1983). Franceour has 10 career stolen bases, in 596 games, the Murph had 161 in 2,180 games. In 1991, Murphy’s last full season (which when he was way past his prime), he hit .252 with 18 homers, 81 RBI’s, 48 walks, and 33 doubles in 544 at-bats. Franceour’s career best in all those categories are .293 with 29 homers, 105 RBI’s, 40 doubles, 42 walks, and 651 at-bats. Franceour’s career BEST numbers are not that much better than The Murph’s last past his prime season.
I wish that some of you guys would really think twice before posting some of the off the wall postings that you come up with, lol.
Paul Lentz
May 29th, 2009
6:24 pm
I could see giving Franceour some slack if he could help you win games other ways. However if he isnt hitting for power, what good is he offensively? A struggling offensive player can still help if he can draw a walk, steal a base, or move a runner over. Franceour hasnt demonstrated the ability to do any of those things.
Since the beginning of last season, Jeff Franceour has played in 202 games, accounting for 781 at-bats. He has batted .241 with 14 homers, 92 RBI’s, 44 walks, 137 strikeouts, and 1 stolen base. I could see if Franceour was playing hurt like Chipper has. However he’s been healthy. Those are HORRIFIC numbers. And he has shown no signs this year of breaking out of it. I cannot think of any Major League superstar who ever came close to such numbers at Franceour’s age. At 25, this is Franceour’s 4th full season. Dude should be rolling into his prime. As one gets more experience, one would assume that a player would get better. However, Franceour has gotten worse. 596 games is plenty of time to get a good read on a player’s ability. What is Franceour waiting for?
I feel that Franceour simply was a player that scouts needed a little time to figure out how to pitch to him. His best years are behind him. It has happened to other players before.
MOVE
May 29th, 2009
6:38 pm
get rid of kj and when omar comes back he is your eveyday 2nd baseman do something about tp he is hot garbage he couldnt teach a kid how to hit with a telephone pole. Bobby Cox has earned the right to stay as long as he wants to! Along with johnston send one of our pitcher prospects somewhere to get a quality outfielder (a veteran) and let frenchy and schaffer figure themselfs out in the minors
Hank's Brave New World
May 29th, 2009
6:56 pm
First, thanks to the few people who have made logical contributions to this thread — you know who you are…
Second, Frank Wren has proven to have very limited ability as a GM.
Third, Terry Pendleton is living proof that good players do not necessarily make good coaches — he needs to leave, soon!
Fourth, you do not sell-off assets at there lowest point in value, i.e., Francouer — send him back to the minors for basic training (do not trade him at this point)!
Fifth, what the he!! has Blanco ever accomplished to earn a spot on the Braves roster? He barely hit .250 last season — he is not the answer!
Sixth, Does Bobby Cox even allow for base stealing? No player has even attempted stealing more than just a few times during the past several years…except last September when we had a true lead-off hitter on the team –
However, the Detroit Tigers now have him and Josh Anderson is currently hitting over .300 with ten stolen bases. He was traded for a Double A reliever with a 9.31 ERA currently. Go Rudy go, throw Rudy throw!
The Braves do have minor league talent, aside from Hansen and Heyward, that could be dealt — but only for a quality outfielder with a contract that goes beyond the next year and a half.
I only wish that the Braves GM had the ability to make a favorable deal for ‘our’ team. He can hang his hat on the Jurrjens trade because the only other positive deal he has made was for Josh (Astros/Villareal) and he turned around and gave him away.
My confidence in the Braves is sinking fast. Please Frankie, do something to re-new our (my) faith and spirit! You have been GM for so little time but with so many mistakes!
Jeff
May 29th, 2009
7:29 pm
Okay her’s the best thing to do. First, send Francoeur to a little league team somewhere in the Atlanta area. Maybe he can start hitting (doubt it) and get a little confidence back. Then trade Chipper to a NL East team. Won’t have to worry about playing against him because he’ll have a some sort of muscle pull and won’t be in the lineup. Then trade JOJO,Buddy and Morton for ever what we can get. Might get lucky and get a good player from a pitching desperate team. Send Anderson packing along with Kelly Johnson. Heck just get rid of all the everyday players except Yunel(keep the starters) and bring up the whole Gwinnett team. They can’t be any worse.
Jeff
May 29th, 2009
7:31 pm
when i sais keep the starters i meant the starting pitchers.(i had a blonde moment)
Mitch
May 29th, 2009
7:45 pm
The Red Sox wont be trading for Francoeur. They are a team in a playoff race, and wont take an unproductive bat, for a productive one.
I wish there was a way we could package Jeff and Jo-Jo for a bat, but I dont know who will take them. It seems highly unlikely that the Nationals would give us Dunn, even for both of them. I dont know if we could get Aubrey Huff either.
Maybe we just have to stick with Jeff for this year, try to get another bat somehow, and just release him at the end of the season. I dont see that he has much if any value right now.
Mitch
zeke
May 29th, 2009
7:57 pm
Frenchy, Chipper Skipper, and Two Bats. They have to take all and we will get Relief!
terry
May 29th, 2009
8:40 pm
trade all the outfield for an instruction booklet on how to hit then let terry p. read it
tom jackson
May 29th, 2009
8:51 pm
Let’s send him to Gwinett and give another young on the move kid a chance. Don’t send him for the weekend, but for a specific minimum period of time. Maybe 30 days. I would then bring our center field flash to Gwinnett so he will feel at home. I realize he is a good fielder, but his bat is dead. We have kids who are begging for a chance to show there wares in the majors. Let’s try some til we get a good mix.
Paul Lentz
May 29th, 2009
9:55 pm
Tonight would have been a good night to start Martin Prado in right field. With Escobar back at short tonight, Hernandez can be the back up infielder. If someone on the infield got hurt during the game, then Prado could move to the infield and then Franceour could be inserted in right. I feel that having Prado’s bat in the line-up would really help the Braves. Franceour basically is an automatic out.
Paul Lentz
May 29th, 2009
10:10 pm
Franceour’s at-bat just proved my point. If he gets a hit, it is a weak single to right. While the RBI hit gives the Braves a 1-0 lead, it doesnt mean that Franceour “has turned it around”. The odds were in Franceour’s favor of eventually getting a hit for an RBI at some point. However, in most cases, when Franceour hits it to right field, he ends up grounding out. The few hits that Franceour has gotten in the last month, have been weak singles to right. No power, no home runs, no hits off the wall…nothing but weak singles to right.
Jair Jurrgens “pulls” the ball down the right field line to knock in two runs. And he has a bad shoulder when it comes to swinging, lol. Take note Franceour.
Sativa Rose
May 30th, 2009
2:41 am
Frenchy, Garret Anderson, Kotchman, Parr, Carlyle and Campillo to Boston for Jason Bay, Justin Masterson and Kevin Youkilis. I’m sure Boston would jump at the chance to do that deal!!
longshotsmith
May 30th, 2009
4:03 am
get matt holiday
oakland gets:
morton
francouer
player to be named later
braves get:
matt holiday
Philip
May 30th, 2009
9:01 am
Get prospects and build for the future with Hanson, Heyward & Freeman coming up. We should have signed Andruw as an insurance policy behind Jordan.
John
May 30th, 2009
11:34 am
In my judgement Frenchy read his press clippings and believed all they were saying. Now for reality, he is in the major league and pitchers normally catch up with these phenoms real quick. It’s the adjusters that stay!!!!
As for Mr. Shaffer, he should be sent back to the minors before he is ruined for good. He is not ready for Major League pitching.
Bring John back, because his replacement (Frank) is like Shaffer….he isn’t ready for the BIG TIME!!!!!!!!!!! It dosn’t take major talent to see that Frank is over his head.
Braves323
May 30th, 2009
11:48 am
John Smoltz…lets end this thing before he ever pitches a game as a Boston Red Sox.
Jason Vivian
May 30th, 2009
2:20 pm
Bet they wish they pulled the trigger last year when they were going to get Greinkie …I dont see any player of value like a Tex out there! Too many teams are being unrealistic with their wants!!! Wait untill after the break and see if they can find some bargins. But thats asuming they stay within 5 games of first place.. If not then trade Frenchy to Texas along with JoJo Reyes for N. Cruz. Then flip Campillo and G. Blanco for a D. DeJesus and send Schafer down for a while, when hes fixed slide DeJesus to left and have a monster bench with Ross, Nortan, Anderson, Prado, Infante, and Diaz … Some way some how there are too many good players here for a deal not to get done !!
Jason Vivian
May 30th, 2009
2:24 pm
Jeff you should stop tring to hit bombs …play the holes and gaps ! A double with two on is just as good as a homer!!!!! Please call up Hanson and Heyward please !! Stop being cheap with these kids !
hawesg
May 30th, 2009
2:32 pm
Josh Willingham is probably the easiest to acquire who might actually make a difference. But Jermaine Dye would be the safer player. Willingham seems available now, whereas the Sox think they’re still in it.
Acosta and a minor league pitcher for Willingham.
Braves
May 31st, 2009
10:44 pm
How about going back in time and signing Adam Dunn!
Ben W.
June 22nd, 2009
5:04 pm
Nobody wants frenchy, so forget about it! P.S. This is June 22, not May 28th.
Roger Dorn
June 29th, 2009
4:22 pm
A year supply of New England Clam Chowder.