Moderated by Tom Sabulis
The Boy Scouts of America said last week that it would delay until May a decision to reconsider its policy of barring openly gay people, a policy the U.S. Supreme Court upheld in 2000. Today, a Scouting activist endorses an end to the national ban. But a Christian leader argues that the moral absolute of Scouting has been put up for sale
Commenting is open following Jerry Luquire’s column.
By Gary B. Roberts
I am fortunate to work at an organization that values inclusion. I attend an Episcopal parish that is open and welcoming to all “sorts and conditions” of people. I am also an Eagle Scout and the father of an Eagle Scout. I’ve been a Cub Scout leader and an assistant scoutmaster at times in my life. I fully support the Boy Scouts of America.
For the past 10 years, I’ve been working with the Boy Scouts as the host for Merit Badge University at Kennesaw State University. This is an annual event where over 1,200 Scouts come to campus and participate in over 50 merit badge classes on a Saturday in October. Young men in khaki uniforms and merit badge sashes fill up our campus. Over 60 of my students volunteer to teach merit badge classes, serve as guides and even help park cars.
It’s a great event and very effective. Most boys leave having earned at least one merit badge, another step toward a Scout earning his Eagle award.
All of my students are required to have child protection training certificates from the BSA. We practice two-deep adult presence at all times. Safety of the Scouts is one of our primary concerns.
For the past three years, my graduate research assistant, Dennis, has been the primary project manager of this program. Starting almost a year before each event, Dennis has the primary responsibility for making things happen and coordinates between the university and the Boy Scouts. Without his attention to detail, the event would not be successful.
Here’s the irony. Dennis, who is 50 and working on his MBA, is a gay man in a committed long-term relationship. Currently, he is not allowed to hold any position with the Boy Scout organization. His work with Merit Badge University falls under the auspices of Kennesaw State University, where we make a good effort to protect our students from any form of homophobia.
Dennis volunteers his time working with an organization that would not allow him to be a member. Why? Because he sees the value of the program and is willing to “take one for the team” in order to make the world just a little bit better.
There are a lot of Dennises in the world. Many times, they receive no recognition and no reward.
I’m embarrassed for the Boy Scouts and their policy of excluding gay and lesbian adult leaders.
The proposed local option approach for Scouting puts the sexual orientation issue where it belongs. It is not, nor has it ever been, a core value of Scouting.
Every Scout leader I talk to about this clearly does not want to see Scouting divided into anti-gay troops or gay-friendly troops; they want to provide the best of Scouting to all boys and their families.
For some sponsoring organizations, sexual orientation may be fundamental. For most of us, it is not.
I just want Dennis to be accepted for who he is and for what he contributes.
Gary B. Roberts is professor of management and entrepreneurship at Kennesaw State University.
By Jerry Luquire
About five months ago, I filled this space with an observation that the Boy Scouts of America had the right to make a decision regarding standards of its membership and leadership.
At that time, I agreed that the organization had correctly decided, in our opinion, to continue its exclusive inclusion of heterosexual males.
Recently, the national leadership indicated it was reviewing its 103-year history of providing character development with exclusive heterosexual acceptance, and possibly find a way for homosexual members and leaders to be accepted. This follows intense bullying from homosexual groups in demanding that corporate giving to the Boy Scouts be “outed” and to refuse further support.
The opposition says the Scouts discriminate, which they do. That is, if you apply the positive meaning of discrimination as “to detect or draw distinctions,” as defined in Webster’s dictionary. It is also known as membership standards.
The Boy Scouts of America’s National Executive Board had predicted a review but, with an embarrassingly absurd excuse, the board said, “Due to the complexity of this issue, the organization needs more time for a more deliberate review of its membership policy,” until May.
That the stand was even questioned destroyed the integrity of the position. The refusal of this group to walk the walk that they talk gives the enemy a right to say the board is not really sure of its position; that it is saying it may be wrong; that maybe homosexuals camping with heterosexuals and being taught character by those who have heretofore been unacceptable is now somehow not a threat.
To an uninvolved observer, tragically, the 103-year-old moral absolute by the Scouts has gone to the auction block. Money, not morality, rules.
Just for discussion, forget who sleeps with whom and how. Look at what is really at issue here: the distribution of tax-free corporate dollars earned by profit-making corporations, owned by stockholders. If there is excess cash, let’s put it to a taxable use that will not cause arguments. These dollars belong to the stockholders, who expect the corporation to return maximum profits. If corporate heads want to support a nonprofit, let them do so as we do, from their personal incomes — a tax loophole that can be closed.
It does not matter now what the board decides in May. There is no additional damage that can be done. They have told the homosexuals, “You just might be right, and we may be wrong.” Which is all they wanted.
Scout leaders violated the organization’s best-known position and motto. When faced with choosing money or morality, they were not prepared. Perhaps they need to understand the saying, “There is no right way to do a wrong thing.”
Jerry Luquire is president of the Georgia Christian Coalition based in Columbus.
30 comments Add your comment
larry
February 15th, 2013
12:28 pm
No one is stopping gays from started their own scout program with the sexual preference standards they choose !!
DO NOT EXPOSE YOUNG KIDS TO SEXUAL PREFERENCES THAT ARE DETRIMENTAL TO THEIR MATURING PROCESS !!
Different strokes for different folks, different sexual oriented scout programs for those who are gay !!
SBinF
February 15th, 2013
12:18 pm
“If you send men with strange urges out into the woods overnight with young boys, bad things will happen. Ask me. I know. I spent three years in a catholic seminary.”
Right, because homosexuality is synonymous with pedophilia.
You sir, are brilliant!
Of course the Boy Scouts will cave. They love the corporate donations, so they will sell out their beliefs to keep the cash flowing. If they had any balls, they would say to hell with the gays and stand by it. Hardly honorable either way. It’s a silly policy to exclude gays, and even sillier to go back on that policy for the love of money.
Scrivener
February 15th, 2013
11:02 am
Dennis, I agree with most of your post. There is no room for discussion of sex or sexuality in Scouting. Scouting is a God-centered organization. It primarily adheres to Biblical principles. You admit that principles helped form you into the man you are today, and that is laudable. Opening inviting homosexuals into Scouting would be “inclusive” but also destructive to the organization. It would open the door to myriad lawsuits over who can wear what, who can camp out with whom, whose feelings get hurt, etc. It defies common sense to have openly gay men taking boys on Scouting trips. I’m sorry; it just does. You sound like an upstanding person, but there are plenty of men who are not, and they would welcome an opportunity to prey on young boys. Whether you care to admit it or not, the rich Scouting experience you had would not be what it was if their standards weren’t so high.
Kenny Merriken
February 15th, 2013
11:00 am
I have a question for Mr. Jerry Luquire: Is the “103-year-old moral absolute by the Scouts” based on the Holy Bible (chapter and verse please) or is it based on another “moral absolute” standard?
Please answer the question. Thank you
S.r.gregory
February 15th, 2013
10:59 am
Enter your comments hereIT COMES DOWN TO THIS, GOD DID NOT CREATE EVE TO GIVE MAN A CHIOCE NOT THE POINT THE GREAT I WAS GOING FOR, SO STOP TRYING TO TELL US IT,SOKAY AND WE HAVE TO EXCEPT IT. NO I DON,T THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE, COLOR , C REED OR RELIGION BSA EXCEPTS ALL OF THIS RESPECTS IT. THIS IS ALL MORALLY WRONG, GAYS SHOULD FIND THERE PROGRAM, AND LEAVE BSA ALONE . IN CLOSING SINCE WHEN DID ANY CORPERATE MPNY TRICKLEYW DOWN TO THE TROOP PROGRAMS ANY, IT ALL GOES TO THE EXECTS ON NOT US, SO WJAT DIFERANCE
Lars
February 15th, 2013
10:53 am
Thanks for what you’ve done and are doing, Dennis. And you’re right: today’s kids care less and less about such things, which means (thankfully) it’s only a matter of time before this archaic injustice washes away in the tide of history, too – just like segregation did. I seriously doubt gays are any greater percentage of the population today than they were fifty or seventy years ago, they’re just more noticeable because there’s less of a stigma attached than there was in those days. More and more people are becoming aware that they, too, know at least one – and often several – people in their own lives and their own communities who are both gay…and as ordinary as everyone else. Not predators or pedophiles or even particularly noticeable. And the more people recognize this, the less of an issue this will become, until most people can neither remember nor understand what all the fuss was about in the first place.
zeke
February 15th, 2013
10:04 am
Typical liberal extortion politics against the Boy Scouts! Good people should stand up and fund the Scouts and tell the perverts to take a walk on I285 during rush hour! I personally decided years back when Levis stopped their almost century long support of the scouts that I would never ever again buy Levis or Dockers! And I love the Dockers clothing! My own little personal boycott! And Levis went bankrupt and had to ell itself! Good! Same should occur for every company that abandons the Scouts!
Extortion by a bunch of perverts is no reason to abandon your moral code!
agent
February 15th, 2013
8:25 am
Might as well, this country has already turned into a liberal toilet.
Dennis
February 15th, 2013
8:14 am
As the “Dennis” of the story, I felt I must comment as well. I was an active Boy Scout and served as a Den Chief for the Cub Scouts as well. I was there when the black troops were brought to camp at the same time as the white troops. Interestingly, it was mostly parents and leaders who were concerned about this integration. We were already attending school, playing sports and building friendships across racial lines. Yes there were some bullies who were very outspoken on the issue, but the majority of the boys were able to ignore them. The message from us kids was clear – we didn’t care anymore about racial divisions neither should our well meaning leaders care.
Similarly, the kids today don’t care about the gay issue. We have raised a great group of young men and women who are inclusive and accepting. Most don’t understand what the debate is about – these are my friends with whom I go to school and play sports. Maybe there friend has two fathers or two mothers – they question why aren’t their parents active in our troop?
Scouts did not teach me about sex or sexual orientation. It taught me to be a man – not a gay or straight man, just a man. It taught me to strive to be the best man I can. It taught me not to judge others. It taught me to give back to my community. These are the reasons I give back to the scouts now as an out gay man with limitations on what I can do. The program is good, the results are exceptional even despite the controversy surrounding it. Please fix the problem before you begin teaching our next generation that it is OK to be intolerant of those who believe or look differently than you. Learn from the past – integration did not kill the scouts as predicted – it made them stronger.
Whirled Peas
February 15th, 2013
8:11 am
If you send men with strange urges out into the woods overnight with young boys, bad things will happen. Ask me. I know. I spent three years in a catholic seminary. Enough said.