Moderated by Tom Sabulis
The Georgia Department of Transportation is all about doing more with less these days, as gas tax revenues stagnate and the failed T-SPLOST fades into history. There will be more emphasis on improving existing infrastructure in small but meaningful ways — such as diverging diamond interchanges and variable speed limits. At a recent AJC meeting, GDOT officials also were asked about spending precious state funds on beautifying the Downtown Connector. Their response is included below, and community leaders also defend the downtown gateway project.
Commenting is open below the column by A.J. Robinson and Kevin Green.
By Tom Sabulis
The new leaders of the Georgia Department of Transportation — both engineers, which they say is a first — acknowledged in a recent meeting at The Atlanta Journal-Constitution that their department is a big reason why the public has little confidence in state government. In a 90-minute session with editors and reporters, Commissioner Keith Golden and Deputy Commissioner Todd Long talked about their public-relations challenges and other topics:
On the recent AJC survey showing an emphatic lack of public trust in state officials: (Golden) As an agency, we know we need. … to get that back again. We have a lot of work to do. DOT is probably public enemy number one every day when it comes to that, in terms of getting public trust back. We get that. But I’m not sure we’ll ever get to the point where the public is going to love us.
On Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed’s call for high-speed rail from Atlanta to Savannah: (Long) We talk a lot about how high-speed rail would fit in our strategic vision. It makes sense to have some kind of connection from Atlanta to Charlotte up to Washington, New York and Boston. But somebody has to fund that, and the mechanism we have in place today does not allow Georgia to fund high-speed rail. The gas tax in Georgia is constitutionally bound to roads and bridges. Our General Assembly is probably not going to take that limitation off it, because there’s not enough money for roads and bridges. The mechanism we have in place today just can’t afford to do that. That doesn’t mean (high-speed rail) is not a good idea.
(Golden) We have a lot of (rail) feasibility studies being completed, but I don’t think any of those are going to be self-supporting concepts. So I don’t know how they get off the ground in our state.
On GDOT providing funding for gateway makeovers on highway overpasses in Atlanta when there are so many other needs: (Golden) The Community Improvement District was the one driving that (decision). The state DOT board decided to put to $1.7 million on the three bridges, but the community improvement districts stepped in and said, “We’re going to tax ourselves.” If it’s $5 million of work they want to do and $3.3 is coming from the businesses that are taxing themselves, that’s their priority to do that and make it look better because they feel there is an economic (boost) that comes from that. They convinced our board to leverage a little bit to make that happen. I’ve got bigger needs. But there is another group of people out there who don’t necessarily think like I do, and sometimes the board has to cater to them. It’s a balance.
On T-SPLOST projects in the three central Georgia regions that approved the one-cent sales tax in July: (Golden) I think it will be real interesting to see as the projects start hitting the ground. The governor had us over right after (the vote), and he said, “I want you all to deliver these flawlessly, because I want the other regions to see what can be, what can happen, if you do the right things.” He said, “I want to help those who are helping themselves.” I think success will breed some success, and people might say, maybe that’s not such a bad deal after all.
On whether the nine regions that rejected the sales tax hike will regret their vote and try again: (Long) I think the leadership in coastal Georgia and the leadership in southern Georgia … feel like they could try again, maybe not in two years, but sometime again. Coastal Georgia leaders, in particular, which includes Savannah and Brunswick, feel like they could go back out for a vote; they had a pretty compelling list (of projects).
(Golden) There’s this concern that somehow we’re going to pull back projects from them, but it’s just the opposite. I think you’re going to see the department working with (those regions) more than ever, because they have stepped up to help themselves. I don’t mean we’re going to throw more projects at (them), but when there are opportunities to work with them, that’s the message, help those that are helping themselves.
By A.J. Robinson and Kevin Green
Like many things in today’s global economic climate, we must do more with less, and the days of single-purpose infrastructure are gone. World-class cities today leverage existing structures by making them transformative pieces that serve more than one purpose, such as Manhattan’s High Line and Paris’ Promenade Plantée.
With more than 350,000 vehicles traveling along the Downtown Connector every day, it’s time we look at this stretch of interstate as more than a thoroughfare carrying us from Point A to Point B. The connector is a gateway experience. For many travelers, the glimpse of skyline when approaching the Brookwood Interchange or Turner Field is their first impression of our southern metropolis, and it should be both exhilarating and enticing.
Capitalizing on the magnetism of Atlanta and Georgia is the goal of the I-75/85 Connector Transformation Project. Working together, the Atlanta Downtown Improvement District and the Midtown Alliance will first enhance the look of Atlanta’s signature street with upgrades to Peachtree Street bridges over the connector in both downtown and Midtown, including dramatic lighting, landscaping and bicycle and pedestrian improvements.
The initial work of enhancing and beautifying these two bridges is just the beginning. Over several years, the Connector Transformation Project aims to improve at least three additional bridges, and to positively impact the development of parcels and structures surrounding the connector. For too long, the buildings and land abutting I-75/85 have been underutilized and, as a consequence, ignored. As such, we’ve missed a prime opportunity to brand our city and state. With this initiative, we’re revitalizing a drab landscape and renewing the vistas with striking buildings and lush greenery that is not only beautiful, but functional as well.
The Connector Transformation Project will re-imagine the interstate’s concrete retaining walls and nondescript overpasses with visually appealing creations that will encourage motorists to take a pit stop and explore what lies beyond the exterior of the connector, to experience the true Atlanta. With these improvements, if we can attract just a fraction of the thoroughfare’s annual users to exit and explore, we will have been successful.
Undertaking an initiative of this scale requires patience, persistence and partnership, and changes to the connector won’t happen in an instant. We are fortunate to have the support of prominent backers including the Georgia Department of Transportation, Georgia State Road and Tollway Authority and city of Atlanta. Each of our partners recognizes the importance that the connector holds to the city, state and region, and is committed to helping downtown and Midtown make this vision a reality.
This initiative is more than sprucing up bridges or grabbing the attention of a few motorists. It’s about building something that can make us all proud. The connector is our gateway – it takes us home, to places familiar and new, and beyond Georgia’s boundaries – and we should be putting our best face forward to the millions who experience it each year.
A.J. Robinson is president of Central Atlanta Progress. Kevin Green is CEO and president of the Midtown Alliance.
18 comments Add your comment
An observer
January 7th, 2013
7:34 pm
The gentlemen from GDOT sound reasonable. Let us give them our best wishes that they are able to bring cost-efficiency, and project priorities based on cost-benefits back to GDOT. GDOT suffered under politically driven leadership.
SAWB
January 8th, 2013
2:43 am
At this point the GDOT has got to move ahead with the funds that are currently available and make the most efficient use of those funds. This means more innovative projects that provide a nice bang for the buck like the Ashford Dunwoody/ I-285 intersection improvements. While I question some of the specific choices being made more partnerships with the various CIDs in the area seems like a positive move. Also, potential partnerships with individual Counties to proceed with very targeted SPLOST projects might also make sense.
middle of the road
January 8th, 2013
7:33 am
Perhaps GDOT is getting unfairly blamed for the Ga 400 toll boondoggle and the I-85 “steal-a-lane” projects. Were these GDOT projects or are they taking heat for things they never had a hand in.
Legitimate question: DOT is suposed to look at projected traffic ten years into the future. Yet, when they completed I-575 in Cherokee/Cobb county, it was overcrowded from the time it opened. Why did they not make it three lanes in each direction when it was built?
Out by the Pond
January 8th, 2013
8:01 am
GDOT is doing the best they can considering the limited resources and the two year it was virtually shut down by a certain director. But the question is how does gussing-up the over passes pull anyone off the interstate. Sam and Sara Snowbird pile into their car and head off to the Land of Sunshine. Is a pretty bridge going to indices them to exit into an unknow land? Just asking.
MANGLER
January 8th, 2013
9:22 am
An inherent difference between Engineers and politicians is that Engineers look at cost vs. benefit and politicians look at donations and popularity. Politicians will tell you that certain projects and upgrades are for the greater good, but that doesn’t really mean anything to most people. Showing the numbers does. This may be a good turning point for GDOT. Spending money to make something look pretty but isn’t that useful vs. doing something to be useful buy may not be the prettiest option.
zeke
January 8th, 2013
9:28 am
Don’t live in Atlanta now, but, I did for 10 years in 80’s and 90’s. The worst thing done by the State and the GDOT was not to build the outer perimeter! That one single thing would have been a tremendous congestion relief by directing traffic not destined for downtown or within the 285 perimeter AWAY FROM THOSE AREAS! Then the design of spaghetti junction and the mixing bowl shows the complete incompetence of supposed “traffic engineers and experts”! Then, the absurd use of hov lanes and now toll hov lanes! THE ONLY THING THEY ACCOMPLISH IS MORE CONGESTION! Just removing hov lanes, at no cost, would immediately improve traffic flow from 16% to 33%! it is time to put some average citizens without traffic engineering education on the boards or commissions who think up these projects! I do have engineering training, not traffic or civil, and I can tell you for a fact that I COULD DESIGN BETTER INTERCHANGES AND ROADWAYS THAN WE NOW HAVE!
Road Scholar
January 8th, 2013
10:54 am
So what was wrong about my previous post??????
Road Hard (and put up wet)
January 8th, 2013
11:45 am
As shrewd a businessman as he was in leading GDOT (including flirting with ramming the Presidential Parkway through historic intown neighborhoods), we need to bring back or clone a Tom Moreland, who got a lot built on his watch and kept the DOT ledgers squarely in the black.
While GDOT and the city are at it, how about reconnecting some of the fractured communities along the I-20 east and west corridors? Grant, Park, East Atlanta, East Lake, and West End were never intended to be segregated from the rest of the city.
Road Scholar
January 8th, 2013
11:55 am
Road Hard: Hal Rives was Commissioner when the Freedom Parkway was settled and built!
MANGLER
January 8th, 2013
12:02 pm
zeke,
I hear that a lot – complaints about 285/85. It’s among the simplest highway interchanges anywhere to navigate. It sprawls a little because the main interchange itself absorbs the smaller Buford Highway interchange as well as a swift merge into the Northcrest Road overpass. That makes the interchange seem larger, but it’s in no way a complicated mess that people make it out to be. For that, look at north Miami’s Golden Glades interchange where 5 highways are converging.
Traffic backs up across it because traffic is backed up on both the Perimeter and 85. It doesn’t matter what speed the ramps were designed to handle if when you merge there is a back up waiting for you. About the only thing I’d like to see done for spaghetti junction is making the 285 merge onto 85 north longer. But again, that won’t matter at all as long as all 6 northbound lanes of 85 are at a stand still.
Build the outer loop and make it a toll highway only. Passers by and truckers will gladly use it.
Dunwoody Granny
January 8th, 2013
2:09 pm
zeke
I’ve lived in Atlanta more than 50 years. I was a child when 285 was built, but I remember that it was miles out from town at the time. And I remember how we were promised that it would end the traffic misery in Atlanta, because through traffic would go around town instead. It didn’t turn out that way. What happened was that businesses almost immediately relocated to the Perimeter area. As sprawl increased, we had MORE traffic, not less, because you could no longer combine several errands into one trip downtown. Now you had to go downtown for one, out to Cobb for another, and over to Perimeter Mall for a third. It’s hard for me to see the Outer Perimeter as any kind of answer to traffic. I see it only as a gift to developers.
Hillbilly D
January 8th, 2013
2:52 pm
Dunwoody Granny
I remember all that, too, and you’re spot on. Building an Outer Perimeter would’ve only moved the sprawl farther out and brought even more people and more traffic. I even remember when the Downtown Connector was built in the 60’s (actually I remember when I-85 stopped at Norcross and I-20 was still being built just a few miles from Downtown). That was supposed to be the be-all, end-all of traffic problems, too.
dc
January 8th, 2013
2:59 pm
I sure hope they weren’t espousing the idea of “freeing up the restrictions on the gas tax”….to fund mass transit?? The gas tax is paid by DRIVERS!! Drivers should not have to subsidize other transit. Those who use that transit should pay for it…and if our esteemed govt officials determine that other transit needs to be subsidized, then the entire taxpayer base in the State should pay for it, not drivers.
Road Scholar
January 8th, 2013
5:26 pm
Studies have shown that building the OP or even adding lanes to I285, that the lanes on I 285 would still be crowded and the road at its capacity!
dc: If gas tax was used for building transit, and people used transit, it would reduce the number of vehicles on the road, free up space for you and your Yugo to move faster on the roads!
Quantavious
January 8th, 2013
7:29 pm
“…building the OP or even adding lanes to I285, that the lanes on I 285 would still be crowded and the road at its capacity!”
The population of metropolitan Atlanta is projected (bizjournals) to be 7.3 million by 2025. Of course the roads will be crowded, but it’ll be much, much worse if we do not start preparing now for what’s coming. That means building, and widening, lots of roadways. It’s foolish naivete to believe that those 2 million additional inhabitants will be riding MARTA – assuming MARTA even exists in another 12 years.
Outer Perimeter
January 8th, 2013
7:51 pm
An Outer Perimeter might not solve all the traffic problems, but it sure would be a help!
DeborahinAthens
January 9th, 2013
6:54 am
I was born in ATL in 1950, and in the late Fifties and early Sixties, we had the chance to build a real rapid transit system, and the yahoos in Gwinnett and other outlying counties kept voting it down. I think we have missed the opportunity, and eventually, we will start withering on the vine. I love going to Paris, NYC, Chicago, and San Francisco and being able to go anywhere without using a car. If our politicians can gin up billions for stadia ( in Gwinnett, without even a public discussion)then they can gin up trillions for something that is as badly needed as a world class rapid transit system. When we no longer look attractive to business and conventions, it will be too late.
Tancred
January 9th, 2013
10:51 am
Much of the sprawl of ATL relates to the profound migration of white people when civil rights were actually codified by law, and people “voted” with their cars and moved the hell out of the city proper. I work right across from the Five Points MARTA station and in I’m always surprised how I am often the ONLY white person among the hundreds of people walking around the area. This never ceases to amaze me. I’ve never been in a city where that is the case. It doesn’t seem “normal.” There is something to be said about how MARTA stands for Moving Africans Rapidly Through Atlanta. Same with the buses. And nobody seems to talk about it.