Boy Scouts’ policy reaffirmed

Moderated by Rick Badie

Last month, the Boy Scouts of America reaffirmed its policy that bans gay members, saying the rule reflects the beliefs and perspectives of the organization. The BSA doesn’t inquire about members’ orientation but doesn’t grant membership to open homosexuals. A guest writer applauds the decision; another says the policy is outdated and based on stereotypes.

Boy Scouts missed opportunity to lead

By Jeff Graham

The stated mission of the Boy Scouts of America is to build character and train young men in the responsibilities of citizenship. The goal is to build a more conscientious, responsible and productive society. Unfortunately, when the organization recently announced it would adhere to its policy of rejecting openly gay youths and adults from membership, it reiterated that the vision of responsible citizenship and a productive society does not extend to all.

In 2000, the Boy Scouts won its case before the U.S. Supreme Court to assure the right as a private organization to discriminate purely on the basis of sexual orientation. While the Scouts have historically benefited from access to public facilities and community funding, leaders feel strongly that such support does not mean they should welcome all youth or qualified adults. However, simply having the law on one’s side does not make a position moral or ethical. The Scouts did not go into the reasons behind this decision; however, I assume the policy has no rational basis. Instead it falls back on outdated stereotypes of gay men as pedophiles and predators. Such beliefs have been soundly discredited. The most narrow-minded of institutions cling to the belief that homosexuality is somehow inconsistent with strong character.

Some defend the Scouts on religious grounds by stating the policy is consistent with Christian teachings. This is misleading and false. Many Protestant denominations have embraced gay men and lesbians as morally equal to straight people and allow them to serve in ministerial capacity, including youth ministries. These falsehoods stigmatize many young men coming to terms with their sexual orientation and often lead to low self-esteem the Boy Scouts claim to fight against.

The majority of youth organizations have done away with such discriminatory policies. The Scouts seem to recognize this when they qualify the policy by stating they do not “proactively inquire” about someone’s sexual orientation, setting up a system of “don’t ask, don’t tell” that encourages people to mislead and lie.

In Georgia, 20 percent of the 21,000-plus gay and lesbian couples are raising their own children. Countless others serve as guardians for nephews or foster children. What is moral about telling these tens of thousands of young men that while they may join the Scouts, their parents are not fit to serve as Scout leaders? What is ethical about telling a group of youth that if they are honest about who they are, they are no longer fit to be members of an organization that claims to train people to responsibly participate in citizenship? Finally, the policy encourages members of the Scouts to judge gay and lesbian family members as people less responsible and productive to society because of one inherent trait. How do you build a more conscientious society upon a core value of discrimination? It is unfortunate the Boy Scouts missed an opportunity to join with the majority of the country in rejecting discrimination based solely on sexual orientation.

Jeff Graham is executive director of Georgia Equality.

BSA focuses on a mission

By Wayne Perry
 and Bob Mazzuca

The mission of the Boy Scouts of America is to prepare young people to make ethical and moral choices over their lifetimes by instilling in them the values of the Scout oath and law.

The BSA delivers this mission by giving young people the opportunity to develop skills to take responsibility and teach by example.

This preparation helps inspire a lifetime of character, leadership and service.

Recently, after a two-year-long evaluation, the national leadership of the Boy Scouts of America decided to maintain its membership policy because it allows the organization to most efficiently accomplish its mission of preparing young people for life.

Our role is to equip young people with life skills so one day they can make their own decisions.

Let’s be clear.

The BSA does not have a political agenda or proactively inquire about anyone’s sexual orientation.

The BSA’s evaluation, which included extensive research within and outside the organization, showed us that parents of youth we serve do not put their children—most of whom are under 12 years of age—in scouting to address the issue of same-sex attraction in any way.

Also, we learned that doing so would potentially force parents to have to address this complex topic with their children before they are ready.

The majority of scouting parents, our core constituents, do not believe scouting is the right forum for same-sex attraction to be introduced, discussed or demonstrated in any way.

With 2.7 million young people and 1.1 million adults, the BSA represents widely diverse socioeconomic, religious and ethnic communities across the nation.

It is unreasonable to expect any single policy to accommodate everyone’s views about this topic.

We fully understand and appreciate that not everyone will agree with the direction we’ve chosen.

However, we believe that good people can personally disagree on this topic and still work together to accomplish the common good.

The bottom line is that scouting will not use its youth development program to enter a social and political debate beyond its level of expertise.

We know some will not prefer the conclusion of scouting’s evaluation and will naturally question or criticize the process, citing that it doesn’t match their individual viewpoint or opinion.

Again, no single policy could possibly accommodate everyone, and the BSA values the freedom of everyone to express their opinion.

We will continue to teach our members to treat everyone, including those with different opinions, with courtesy and respect.

The organization requests that the same courtesy be extended in return.

Wayne Perry is national president and Bob Mazzuca is chief scout executive of the Boy Scouts of America.

Gays should start own service group

By Jerry Luquire

The Boy Scouts of America is a private, voluntary association that requires high character and moral standards. The organization has received criticism from some outsiders for a decision to continue prohibiting homosexuals from its activities.

As a father of two sons and grandfather of five adult grandsons, I cannot understand parents of a teenage boy, who has chosen an affinity for his mirror sexual image, wanting him to be in a camp with testosterone-filled boys. Parents who compel a homosexual son to be with those boys (regardless of their kindness) who are not like him should themselves be accountable. In spite of the most-accepting adult leadership, he is going to be uncomfortable and feel out of place.

What really are the motives for those adults who want to be among those so unlike themselves? Any question as to whom they want to change?

The government’s protected classes do not include those who choose their own sex for intimate behavior. There are females who are welcomed by the BSA in certain categories, but not in tents all night with boys. So even within its acceptance under law of non-discrimination by sex, there is a common sense and in some cases even legal restrictions which could be viewed as discrimination.

There is one fact overlooked by those who feel the BSA does not have the right to choose its associates. The right to exclude does not, by contrast, bring an obligation to include.

The Boy Scouts are content to leave homosexuals to pursue their choices, only not with them. It is the position of homosexuals that they do not have the ability to become heterosexuals; that they are born to be as they have become.

So parents who believe that homosexuality is an anti-God lifestyle do not want their sons to be in private contact with individuals choosing the opposite behavior have the right (some would say obligation) to assure situations where their sons are as comparable to their heterosexual fathers as possible. And to grow as they determine what is best for them morally, physically and spiritually.

Supporters, families, members, volunteers and others rely on the Boy Scouts to present a God-friendly environment where their sons are sexually secure. The BSA must have the right to exclude those they feel would violate this charge. In this case, it is homosexual teachings and behavior they oppose. They want their sons to interact naturally with each other as they become men. And, just as importantly, for these young men to recognize, appreciate, respect and enjoy the uniqueness and beauty of the opposite sex.

BSA leadership continues to seek membership and supporters’ views on their moral stands. Overwhelmingly, in spite of threats to do all possible to destroy this organization, the majority congratulates it for its choices.

If homosexuals admire and want to provide a service such as the Boy Scouts, encourage them to form their own organizations. They can grow themselves without influencing others.

Jerry Luquire is president of the Georgia Christian Coalition.

23 comments Add your comment


August 23rd, 2012
3:07 pm

The Policy of Intolerance…….

Out by the Pond

August 23rd, 2012
3:25 pm

I guess young gay men are not to inspire to a lifetime of charter, leadership, and service.


August 23rd, 2012
3:30 pm

@Out by the Pond;
A life time of “Charter”? What, free cable or what………..


August 23rd, 2012
3:38 pm

“I want because you told be I can’t have it”. This is not about kids and helping them grow, it it was you would have simply started a group that fits your beliefs.
Its about destroying something someone else has because you don’t have it.


August 23rd, 2012
3:46 pm

This is just like the Republican Platform of differentiating Forcible Rape vs RAPE. Discrimination is Discrimination….Period!

I remember growing UP right here in Atlanta, as a young black male desiring to be a
BOY SCOUT. My parents were told by many local affiliate BOY SCOUT Groups, they nor I, were welcome by the many local Boy SCOUT TROOPS around Atlanta. At that Time during the mid 1960’s …….it was the issue of RACE.

Now, in 2012 its the issue of Sexual orientation!

Organized HATE is still HATE…..


August 23rd, 2012
3:47 pm

With all of the stories of Pedophiles in the heterosexual ranks of the BOA, the Catholic Church-like means of covering that up and moving people around, the FEMA-esque ability to drop the ball and let some of the guilty ones back into the leadership ranks time and again, the Mob worthy ability to intimidate and pay off dessenters and victims, and the inherently Christian-only theme of the institution, I don’t see why any parent would want their child to get exposed to the whole mess. Let the gay kids be in a safe and constructive environment instead.


August 23rd, 2012
4:02 pm

Intolerance – means you have to agree with everything I think!! The typical tolerance preachers….the most intolerant of all, to anyone who disagrees with them.

Steve From Dalton

August 23rd, 2012
4:03 pm

What gives the Gay community the right to force their values on the BSA?


August 23rd, 2012
4:06 pm

and since a incredibly small percentage of BSA leaders have molested the kids, suddenly the entire organization has NO credibility to take any moral stand at all….seriously? that’s idiotic. If that’s the case, then disband all organizations, starting with the US govt and military, and public schools.

if an organization has human members (which is pretty much all of them), then there is a decent chance at least one of the members is going to do something wrong. It doesn’t suddenly invalidate the organizations positions.


August 23rd, 2012
4:06 pm

middleground @ 3:38 pm – Your comments reflect the tired old beliefs of supporting RACISM and SEGREGATION. The good ole belief of, You are different from me, you do not look or act like me, even though you live in my community, your Child attends the same school as mine, you attend a similar church as mine and believe in the same religion and the same GOD, we shop at the same stores, we sing the same National Anthem, we say the same Pledge of Allegiance with the same heartfelt feelings, We salute and cherish the same American FLAG, You are still DIFFERENT, therefore YOU , should get your own organization and leave us alone!

You Gotta! love that TRUE AMERICAN God fearing, patriotic flag waving spirit! way of thinking. USA! USA! USA!


August 23rd, 2012
4:11 pm

As a parent, I would not entrust a 10-14 year old son to go camping with adult leaders who had not passed the sort of background checks and child protection training that the Boy Scouts organization now routinely requires. That standard is essential to the BSA program.

Fifty years ago, my dad pulled me out of a troop when he learned that the scoutmaster smoked and let the boys smoke on camping trips. You can imagine how parents react if they even suspected a possibility of adult leaders misleading kids sexually.

I went through the BSA background check and child protection training in order to become an Assistant Scoutmaster while my son was going through Scouting. It is fairly rigorous. Nothing human is perfect but there is a conscientious effort to keep the program and the staffing “morally straight.” I never saw anything that would encourage teaching hatred or intolerance, and all races and creeds are welcome.

Someone mentioned racial discrimination in Scouting in the sixties. That was the world in which I grew up, not the world in which our kids grew up. There is now frustration about the difficulty of organizing troops in minority communities where active, engaged fathers are less common and the difficulty in recruiting minorities into predominately white troops. Thus, there are experienced Scoutmasters who volunteer to do what amounts to mission work organizing and leading troops in inner city minority communities. That can be hard duty.


August 23rd, 2012
4:31 pm

Jeff Graham, I am trying to understand some things. Why does the gay agenda want to sexualize children? What do your sexual choices have to do with the Boy Scouts program?

I don’t think you can answer these questions without sounding like a pervert trying to get close to boys.

Chris Sanchez

August 23rd, 2012
4:37 pm

The BSA has been consistent in their views for over 100 years. The Supreme Court of the United States has affirmed that they are perfectly within their rights to limit who they permit to become members and leaders within their organization. This is the same Supreme Court that upheld the Constitutionality of Obamacare.

BSA did not miss an opportunity to lead. On the contrary, the organization, after a thorough and thoughtful review of their policies, decided to take the more challenging path and continue to uphold the values that have stood the test of time. The courage of conviction is something that is becoming more and more rare these days. I am proud that my son has chosen to be a Scout. He understands that sometimes the right thing is not always easy.


August 23rd, 2012
4:44 pm

Chris Sanchez @ 4:37 pm – “The BSA has been consistent in their views for over 100 years. BSA did not miss an opportunity to lead. On the contrary, the organization, after a thorough and thoughtful review of their policies, decided to take the more challenging path and continue to uphold the values that have stood the test of time. ”

You are Right! Leading with the long held and provable “The Policy of Intolerance!”

My Hope and Prayer that it will be Your SON at another time, to prove to YOU and The BSA is not a true representative of the American Peoples Values and spirit!


August 23rd, 2012
4:55 pm

The bottom line is that at least for the time being we remain a free country. The BSA is a private organization and is free to set membership policies. If you do not like their policies that’s fine, but really it is none of your business. The Boy Scouts have done more good over the years than their critics ever will. At the end of the day why not practice some real tolerance and leave the Scouts alone.


August 23rd, 2012
5:03 pm

SAWB – 4:55 pm – In time As in any practice of INTOLERANCE in American society this too WALL will FALL. Just as we all witnessed this week in Augusta with the admission of Women as Members. A fight HOOTIE has claimed that would never happen…and yet it did!

Its Just a matter of time…and those that support the rule of Intolerance will find themselves in the minority of the thinking of the American People! OUR Great HISTORY has said SO…….. TIME and Time ….Again!


August 23rd, 2012
5:07 pm

There is so much small-minded bigotry in the BSA position, it is difficult to explain it all. Thus, I will start with the easy part: Wayne Perry and Bob Mazzuca’s statements:

1. “The BSA’s evaluation, which included extensive research within and outside the organization, showed us that parents of youth we serve do not put their children—most of whom are under 12 years of age—in scouting to address the issue of same-sex attraction in any way.”

This is a straw-man error in logic. “Orientation” is NOT the same as “attraction”. A gay man is certainly NOT attracted to an ugly man, for example. Second, most children of LGBT scouts are under 12 as well; they are not there to be attracted to other kids, but to be a part of an organization that claims it wants to teach young boys to become men. Third, what about the issue of opposite-sex attraction? No mention of hetero boys being banned because they might be attracted to female scout leaders.

2. :Also, we learned that doing so would potentially force parents to have to address this complex topic with their children before they are ready.”

Scouting continues until what, age 18? At what point are Eagle scouts supposed to learn about the “birds and the bees”?

3. “The majority of scouting parents, our core constituents, do not believe scouting is the right forum for same-sex attraction to be introduced, discussed or demonstrated in any way.”

The issue is NOT “same-sex attraction” but “same-sex orientation”. If Joe scout happens to have a lesbian mother who serves as a scout leader, so what? I find things very offensive in public every day (such as the Bodies: The Exhibition). We don’t all get to exclude everything that we might ever find offensive from sight. And the fact of the matter is, what is really offensive is not same-sex orientation (which has been shown to be a natural variance in animals such as sheep), but anti-LGBT bigotry masquerading as “values”. Putting others down for being different is just about the worst message you can send…but that’s no surprise. Hitler had his little Hitler Youth mind-washing, conformist organization for children as well. Following orders and conforming to an illogical religious fundamentalism seems to be at the heart of what “scouting” is all about…in short, to make groups of boys into future soldiers. Everyone wears a “military” uniform that is the same for everyone. Group-think prevails and individuality is suppressed.


August 23rd, 2012
5:18 pm

The crux of Mr. Luquire’s essay is that homosexuals are infiltrating social organizations, like the BSA, and with their “homosexual teachings and behavior” actively turning straight kids into gay kids. This is all possible because to Mr. Luquire, homosexuality is a choice, and given a choice all gay kids would choose to go straight if they weren’t such horrible sinners.
I could write Mr. Luquire off as just another ignorant hick with no compassion or grasp of modern evolutionary biology, but I fear millions of Americans hold his own misinformed opinion.
Until enough people realize that sexuality is no more a choice than eye color, idiots like Mr. Luquire will continue to spew their paranoid dribble and the AJC will happily print it.


August 23rd, 2012
5:31 pm

Personally if the BSA does one day admit openly Gay Scouts and Scout Leaders I could care less. However, I fail to see why so many supposed “tolerant” people cannot simply leave other people alone. Why can’t ya’ll just live your lives and let other people live theirs? I fear so many of you worship at the altar of Political Correctness that it has become your religion. We are in danger of losing the freedoms that have made this country great and so many of you do not even see it.

Why can’t you just leave people alone?


August 23rd, 2012
5:33 pm

To further provide and cite an example of this predictive change in the BSA policy. All one needs to do is to look at the top of this very forum. The moderator – Rick Badie is a prime example. 40yrs ago the AJC would never have a BLACK MALE in such position. The outrage of its managing editorial staff, Editorial staff, readership,subscribers, local, state Political and Community Leaders would not
allow it to happen. But here we ARE! ……….in 2012


August 23rd, 2012
5:53 pm

Several commenters, including Jerry Luquire, have suggested that LGBT persons form their own group and “leave the BSA alone.” This is akin to the racial “separate but equal” segregation-think that never led to equal accommodation. Also, it is a fiction to pretend that you can exist in modern society and never be “exposed” to “same-sex attraction”. I’ve even seen dogs do it.

Just as the planet Jupiter causes the Sun to move (the barycenter between the two is 12 miles above the Sun’s surface) and the moon causes tides on Earth, a significant minority interacting with a majority will produce effects on each other. There cannot be an artificial society without this interaction…it is against the laws of physics.

Now, about the issue of “morality”. Suppose religious leaders thought that conjoined twins were an “anomaly” that “did not conform to the template of mankind as designed by God”. Should these twins be excluded from the Boy Scouts of America so “society doesn’t have to deal with them”? Should handicapped persons be excluded as well, since persons with no feet or legs are not “what the model of a man is intended to be”? The point here is that, whether being “gay” is “normal” or not, what can be done to make them fit into and integrate them into a diverse, tolerant, and accepting society, not a small-minded, judgmental one.

The FIRST fallacious argument that comes from the anti-gay crowd is to confuse orientation, an immutable characteristic, with “choice.” LGBT persons do not “choose” to “become” gay. Studies also show that, contrary to what people describe themselves as (social pressure to conform from society has led some gays to pretend to be “ex-gay”), orientation does not change when subjected to scientific testing in the laboratory. “Ex-gay” men have recently revealed that they are, in fact, still attracted to others of the same sex, regardless of personal behavior choice.

So, issue #1 is that “orientation” is separate from “choice.” The corollary to that is that one’s orientation is NOT defined by one’s sexual behavior. A heterosexual nun who chooses to live a life of celibacy and virginity is still a heterosexual. Likewise, a homosexual man who is celibate is still homosexual, whether he “acts upon” his attractions or not.

Issue #2 is the conflating of homosexuality with pedophilia. Most of the LGBT persons applying for scouting positions have, in fact, turned out to be lesbian mothers. There is no motivation for LGBT persons to apply to scouting to take advantage of children (although there may be motivations for child molesters, both hetero- and homosexual, to do so). By definition, pedophilia is illegal, and should and can be prosecuted fully to the fullest extent of the law. However, pedophilia is no justification for keeping the mother of a 12-year-old boy scout from volunteering in scouting.

Jerry Luquire’s anti-gay rant is a platitude of unscientific stereotypes. He talks of a “chosen affinity for his mirror sexual image”…invoking the “choice” fallacy. Orientation is not a choice.

Luquire talks of gay boys as wanting to just for lustful reasons…yet most are under 12 and not sexually active yet. So, that’s bunk. Plus, there’s no mention of keeping hetero boys out because they might be attracted to women serving in scouting.

3. Luquire talks of “testosterone-filled boys”. He seems to be implying that gay boys are effeminate and unmanly, and thus “won’t fit in” among “testosterone-filled boys”. That is yet another fallacy. Gay boys can be just as manly as straight boys. Straight boys can also be gender-non-conforming and still straight. Gender identity and attraction are NOT The same thing. I just saw a man in Atlanta walking down the sidewalk with a bright pink V-neck shirt and coiffed, styled hair. Yet he also had two small girls and a wife. Just because he choose to “look” like what some stereotype as “gay” does NOT mean that he is attracted to other men. Likewise, many gay men are “straight-acting”…not wanting to be the typical “drag queen” or Liberace stereotype that society has suggested gay men be. So, gender identity and orientation are NOT the same.

4. Luquire talks of “government-protected classes”. This seems to be a code for “blacks have government equality protection, gays don’t.” Such code hate-speech points out the need for such government “protection”. If Luquire’s behavior is modified by whether such “protection” exists, then it’s past time for protection from his small-minded attitude that gays should be second-class, invisible citizens.

5. Finally, Luquire finishes with “encourage them to form their own organizations”. This is a disengenuous comment. Luquire’s “Christian” Coalition (which is more like the Christian PHARISEE Coalition) already seeks to ban LGBT organizations from public schools, while welcoming the BSA to use government resources.

That brings up yet another issue: economic. LGBT persons usually have fewer children, and thus help subsidize the hetero majority. As such, taxpayers have a right to have a say in how their funds are used. The “get back in the closet” hate speech just won’t work anymore.

By the way, Luquire is so far to the right that he has criticized Georgia state senate leader Chip Rogers, pressuring him to step down for offering “gambling advice”:

From this, we can see that the issue with Jerry Luquire is not just with gays; he wants to be judgmental and run everyone’s life. Jesus said to “judge not, that ye be not judged.” I’m not sure that Jesus, a “drunkard who hangs out with tax collectors and sinners,” would be welcomed by the Pharisaic hate-filled “churches” that are represented by Jerry Luquire’s religious fundamentalist “Georgia Christian Coalition”.

It is one thing to fight for the right to practice one’s beliefs. It is another to try to seek social justification for bigotry and homophobia.


August 23rd, 2012
6:26 pm

SAWB @ 5:31 pm – I will be Praying for you…….:)


August 23rd, 2012
7:14 pm

Gays should try to join the Girl Scouts of America. I was a Boy Scout but thought it’d be a lot more fun to be in the Girl Scouts.