2/17: Grading Atlanta for racial equity

Moderated by Tom Sabulis

A Washington-based think tank has released a study of racial equality in 100 top metro areas, giving Atlanta a good grade overall for black integration and a poor one for Latino integration.

Today, a lead researcher writes about the rankings while a local expert looks behind the statistics to show how neighborhood realities paint a different picture than the numbers.

22 comments Add your comment

SAWB

February 16th, 2012
7:16 pm

I think people’s attitudes have changed and we all seem to work, socialize, worship and play well together. It appears much of the residential segregation is really the result of all people making a decision to live where they want. There is no doubt a disparity in the quality of education offered to many African American children, but it is difficult to really know who to blame. After all African Americans have controlled the City of Atlanta for about forty years, so it is really hard to blame discrimination.

Bernie

February 17th, 2012
2:00 am

The reality on the ground paints far different picture and certainly not as rosey. We are just as seperate by race, as ever. If one takes a look at the residential growth over a period of 30years from downtown Atlanta and out. You will find that the growth of the North of the city which is predominately White has grown with goods and services at a quantum rate . Whereas, from I-20 and south which is predominately Black the growth has all been stunted with fewer goods and services over the same time period. This has always been the story of the (2) two Atlanta’s seperate and unequal. The only thing has changed, is that we have masked the differences a little better.

carlosgvv

February 17th, 2012
8:07 am

Many blacks have no use for integration and prefer to be with those like themselves. This needs to be kept in mind when making these studies.

BW

February 17th, 2012
8:31 am

the oracle

That statement is almost the textbook definition of racism…the belief of inherent superiority of one race over another. That statement is garbage…I guarantee that any kid does better in an environment with parents that have stable jobs and live in the better school districts than those who don’t.

carlosgvv

I disagree…don’t confuse class and race. Many blacks live in Gwinnett, Fayette, Henry, and north and east Cobb, and north Fulton. There are far more blacks who don’t have college degrees than do…so the opportunities of many are very limited.

commoncents

February 17th, 2012
8:43 am

Bernie- goods and services don’t care about race… they follow money. And no one is going to buy a nice house in/near the ghetto. It’s not just Atlanta; look at any major city. There is an eventual separation of the rich and poor. Poor neighborhoods don’t need Whole Foods or pool cleaning services that specialize in salt water pools or restaurants with $50 steaks

carlosgvv

February 17th, 2012
8:45 am

BW

Didn’t anyone ever tell you that birds of a feather flock together? And, did you ever read The Bell Curve?

Barb

February 17th, 2012
8:54 am

Having worked in a racially and economically diverse public school in another state, I have absolutely observed subtle forms of racism and economic prejudice – intentional or not – against black and Latino students. It exists. And now it’s time to get rid of it because not only is it morally wrong but it restrains economic development in our communities and in our country. By not doing everything in our power to invest in these students, we are throwing away a vital economic resource that benefits all of us. We need educated well compensated committed professionals to help break the cycle of poverty for these students. These students are bright. They’re resourceful and they can be innovative in positive ways if we put our very best minds to it. When we don’t, everyone loses.

Corey

February 17th, 2012
9:35 am

Studies such as this are simply studies based on findings from research. It absolutly boggles my mind why some people feel as though these studies are about blame. Some respond as if they are personally being blamed. Why is that? Could it be that deep seated bigotry becomes awakened in them?

zeke

February 17th, 2012
10:07 am

We will never get past race as an issue as long as the media and socialist leftist continue to divide all information and search for all differences to claim a racial pattern in all things! IF YOU WANT TO MAKE RACE NOT AN ISSUE, QUIT MAKING IT ONE IN EVERYTHING YOU DO!!!!

lynnbo

February 17th, 2012
11:37 am

If blacks have controlled the city of Atlanta for 40 years including education, why hasn’t their economic situation improved…………….could it be the corruption of the democratic party that is destroying their opportunity? And do we ask the Atlanta insiders to allow latinos to now run the city of Atlanta? Latinos do not want to live with others and will build their own communities as generations grow and it takes time not government interferrence. Studies like these show how much our political class has failed.

Pompano

February 17th, 2012
12:29 pm

The idiot ‘Lead Researcher” states that no single factor is the cause here. Hello!!! It’s the percentage of children born out of wedlock!!! It’s double the percentage for blacks in the metro area than whites.

Across the board, two people working together to raise a family and build assets are going to beat out the alternative.

Jack

February 17th, 2012
1:17 pm

A child born in a home without a father is the child’s worst handicap. That’s true in all races.

skipper

February 17th, 2012
1:17 pm

@lynnbo;
You said it all!

☺☻Have A Smile!

February 17th, 2012
1:41 pm

Oh, great. Another “study” by a “think tank.” (A.K.A. those who do not have to attempt solve real, practical problems.

Please excuse me while I break out the world’s tiniest violin to play some sad music to accompany the pity party of “racial equality” discussion.

I’m all for helping my fellow man but only those who are willing to help themselves.

I busted my a$$ to get an education & get somewhere in life. Nobody gave me a free ride either. I’m sick of people who make excuses – especially pulling out the magical race card – and aren’t willing to do the following:

- Make sacrifices in order to get a better job and/or education
- Be self-reliant with no expectations to live off the taxpayer’s money
- Integrate into mixed-race society or move to a better environment and attempt to actually get along with others who aren’t black
- Attempt to contribute to society

I’ve just had it up to HERE with this “racial equality” nonsense. I’m sure I’m not alone.

The very subject, in this day and age, contributes nothing helpful & only typically only serves to promote division and chips away at the racially equality that does exist, which is pretty much excellent.

☺☻Have A Smile!

February 17th, 2012
1:44 pm

Could it be that deep seated bigotry becomes awakened in them?

Nope it could not be that.

Some of us are just tired of the crap.

skipper

February 17th, 2012
2:26 pm

Over the last 40 years or so a large part of Atlanta has gone to hell in a handbasket….you do the math!

Halftrack

February 17th, 2012
2:33 pm

The simple solution to this is an affirmative action plan for the Latino’s.

ooneal

February 17th, 2012
5:11 pm

After being born, raised, in living in Atlanta for most of my life, I had to get out of there and move south. As one commenter said, It has gone to hell in a hand basket with no hope for the future. So, please, keep those people up in Atlanta. We don’t want them down here where we live in the peaceful, quiet suburbs

Jimmy

February 19th, 2012
8:39 am

The landscape of “equity” is growing more complex. It always has been more complex than we made it.
There is an underlying notion in both of the analyses of the issue that something must be somehow done about percieved ineqity. I suggest that idea is flawed. Inequity results from many factors, racial discrimination being only one and a smaller one at that.
What is clear from the past forty years is that individual decisons affect individual lives. When people make the choices that are needed for economic and family success they are (imperfectly) rewarded for those choices. Conversely, when babies are raised by only one parent, when academic effort is not prized, when hard work is not elevated as a value, when children are not taught to delay gratification or to control emotions then there are economic and social consequences.

Not surprisingly, the rewards and consequences of our choices are generational. Our chilren are generally beneficiaries of good choices and pay the price for selfish or lazy ones. Families can go backward in a generation but sustained progress can take several.

The consequences for poor choices are essential. Otherwise, everyone would make the easy ones.

This simple fact is the reason that socialism fails. Ultimately, societies like Greece or Spain simply run out of other people’s money to fund the bad choices of wide swaths of their society. It’s not fundemementally an issue of race but of effort and reward.

JMH

February 19th, 2012
5:47 pm

Have a smile hit the nail on the head! Couldn’t have said it better myself.

Porter

February 19th, 2012
6:35 pm

The “integration” is mostly affluent members of minority groups fleeing crime and bad schools. People are just segregating by class instead of race.

surly jb

February 20th, 2012
10:13 pm

racial equality in Atl does not exist. Racism does exist. Black leaders have taken forty years to wreck out and completely re-invent a government form that many thought would be a beacon of pride for African=American accomplishment. It has failed. From the scandalous bid-rigging on the Jackson Terminal concessions, to the Police Department and the Fire Department cheating, and the Water and Sewer Administration, and oh my goodness, the international spectacle of our Public School cheating fiasco, to the unsafe lunacy that is MARTA, to the $80million the Fulton County Board of Assessors has STOLEN from people whose homes have been foreclosed on ……….. it goes on, This city is a racist, corrupt, dangerous spot on the map, and no, it is not like this everywhere.