Your Thoughts on Atlanta Falcons Signing of Osi Umenyiora?

Working on new draft heavy post, but wanted to go ahead and get up a new thread letting you discuss all things new Atlanta Falcon Osi Umenyiora. Here’s some questions to help you out…….

Osi Umenyiora

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1) What’s your overall thoughts on the signing: good, bad, or ugly?


2) Does this mean the Falcons are staying permanently in the 4-3 defense?


3) What’s your thoughts on the contract: 2 years, $5 mill guaranteed, $8.5 million overall, that could rise to $12 million with incentives.


4) Is this much better than just keep John Abraham?


5) Who will be lining up opposite Umenyiora? Biermann, Matthews, Massaquoi, or draft pick?

6) Speaking of, is there any way the Falcons can convince Abe to comeback for one more year on the cheap?

7) How does this affect the Falcons draft plans?

8.) Are the Falcons putting too many eggs in one basket with all these older vets?

9) Will Umenyiora being a two-time Super Bowl winner help in the locker room?

Discuss……..

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Unca' Bob

March 28th, 2013
11:08 am

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JB Falcon

March 28th, 2013
11:08 am

Short post, so far.

Jeff B

March 28th, 2013
11:11 am

Good signing, but we still need more help on the D-line. This deal is cheaper than keeping Abraham, and he’s younger too so TD probably knew what he was doing.

We still need to add a starting CB and an impact D-lineman. Maybe 1st round pick + trade up in the 2nd to address both positions with rookies? That’s my best guess at the moment.

John Waynesworld

March 28th, 2013
11:22 am

Bringing this one over…

I noticed some Cage members reliving previous drafts, rightfully so, especially 2009. I would merely like to optimistically remind everyone that DC Nolan had no say in any of the previous drafting of our top picks, including last April, and we all know his history of successful drafts while in San Fran. When he came in last year there was a minimum of picks and an already-in-place draft “plan” which was to restock offensive linemen with our first two picks (no comment on the 5th round Ewing pick). That left Nolan and his defensive staff with the tail end of the draft, and I think he grabbed some pretty solid guys (Massaquoi, Mitchell, Robertson) for starting at overall pick #164.

This time around, with TD already publicly stating that the 2013 draft will be focusing on defense, Nolan has been given the team credit card and he is ready to shop from the top of the draft (with probably only one exception, called the “Tyler Eifert clause”). Otherwise, Nolan’s fingerprints will be all over this draft and I expect great defensive selections from a well-respected NFL DC, as opposed to years of “iffy” defensive picks from the mystery composite of TD/BVG/Smitty over past years.

SeminoleWarrior

March 28th, 2013
11:28 am

JWW

If you do not mind, the TeePee will piggy back on your 11:22am comments.

SirReal

March 28th, 2013
11:30 am

Well said Waynesworld. Totally agree.

I’d also like to see a big ugly in the middle to clog some holes….we got run over last year with our smallish line. We couldnt handle the road graders so maybe a lil more beef up front can help.

Die Hard Falcon

March 28th, 2013
11:34 am

I am not sure about this signing, I (along w/ a few other cage members) have been screaming for a move to the 3-4 and this signing makes me wonder if it’s now being held back for at least another year, if not longer. The true tell-tale sign will be the draft, whether we stay w/ the hybrid thing or not, we need an NT, someone that weighs north of 315 to stuff the middle and push the pocket to allow Spoon and Biermann to be free, ie…WE NEED A SPACE EATER, a wooly-mammouth, a mack truck, a Vince Wilfork – type of guy. I am really hoping Nolan has his way in this draft and scheme for the upcoming season, Osi is certainly small enough at 255 to be a 3-4 OLB as a strictly pass-rushing type of player, so it’s not over yet.

Go Falcons!!!

Buford Bob

March 28th, 2013
11:35 am

Anyone heard Osi’s cap hit?

I’ll go check the other thread in case it’s there.

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The Time is NOW

March 28th, 2013
11:40 am

Osi is a quality player. He is not a panacea. He is a rental player who hopefully get us over the hump as we rebuild the D and transition (however slowly) to a new scheme. He does seem to be capable of playing in either a 4-3 or 3-4 base. I do not see him playing significantly more snaps than he played with NY last year. If we keep him for one year, the cost is only 5 million. I suspect we will need his cap money in 2014 to resign core players. For me, this signing changes nothing about our draft priorities…

The Time is NOW

March 28th, 2013
11:41 am

Buford Bob – As far as I know the cap hit has not yet been determined. The contract only guarantees 5 million according to reports.

SeminoleWarrior

March 28th, 2013
11:46 am

DHF,

I am with you. My focus is squarely on the draft and the inclusion of a interior presence that controls the line of scrimmage.

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Arno

March 28th, 2013
11:47 am

I’m surprised. With all the talk of defending the read option, I thought our focus would be on getting Weatherspoon some speedy help. This feels more sideways than forward. Still– I can only speculate until I see what Nolan is up to.

SeminoleWarrior

March 28th, 2013
11:48 am

Osi to be introduced at noon on NFL Network.

Ken Strickland

March 28th, 2013
11:50 am

I think it was needed. Despite Abraham being our best pass rusher by far, I believe he was released because he was almost useless as a pass rusher against the better teams we needed to beat. Over the last 2-3yrs his sacks have come in bunches against losing teams with established OL issues.

Even if Osi can’t match Abe’s 10 sacks, as long as he gets sacks against the better teams, and in key situations, he will represent a big improvement over Abe. Eight sacks from Osi, & maybe 6 from our LDE, will be an improvement over the 10 almost empty sacks we got from Abe & the 4 we got from Biermann.

We need to draft a starter at CB & LB, & we could use one at DT also. But everywhere else we need to draft primarily for depth & the future. Because CB McClain did so well inside, I don’t know if TD & Co will risk moving him outside & possible creating issues at inside & outside CB.

Keeping him inside means we only have to consider manning the outside, and this draft will give us at least 1 shot at a starting caliber CB. It will definitely give more than 1 shot at a starting caliber DT, DE & LB.

Rip

March 28th, 2013
11:50 am

OSI, is NOT as good as Abe. Abe was quick enough to cover alot of ground and change of direction. And Corey on the other end is a joke. This guy has not done anything for the falcoons and I can not understand how can you keep this guy. You will never see him overpower a guy. OSI is a role player not an impact player

The Time is NOW

March 28th, 2013
11:53 am

Arno – I am not sure that the Falcons aggressively pursued Osi. I don’t think he was an original part of the plan. My conjecture is that once Osi made it known he wanted to play for us, the FO worked out a way for that to happen without sacrificing the future. Hoping that is the case…

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John Waynesworld

March 28th, 2013
12:01 pm

NOW, completely agree, it was a friendly contract.

Ralph Nuzzo

March 28th, 2013
12:11 pm

Osi is and was an outstanding pass rusher he never was a complete DE because he was week on running plays and could not defend his position. When he wanted to play and was motivated he was dominate. He is moody, has a big mouth and not a team player, certainly not a leader and a cancer in the locker room. I would take Abraham over Osi any day in the week, he was all the things Osi is not. He lives in the Atlanta area and will probably take the min/guarantee of 5 M and disappear in 2014 since he never plays hurt. From the Giants perspective they are better off without him he has outlived his usefullness.

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SeminoleWarrior

March 28th, 2013
12:17 pm

Rip & Ralph,

Many will be critical of the points you made. But I share your feelings.

This move is a lateral one at best that saved, in the short term, a few million, and added a questionable band aid to the mix.

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John Waynesworld

March 28th, 2013
12:21 pm

“From the Giants perspective they are better off without him he has outlived his usefullness”. Great to know how New Yorkers feel, Nuzzo.

Funny, the same thing was said about Asante by his ex-fans. How did that work out for Philly?

John Waynesworld

March 28th, 2013
12:22 pm

“From the Giants perspective they are better off without him he has outlived his usefullness”

Funny, the same thing was said about Asante by his ex-fans. How did that work out for Philly?

John Waynesworld

March 28th, 2013
12:23 pm

Somehow, someway I will destroy the BMonster and grind his bones into dust.

Tim

March 28th, 2013
12:27 pm

It’s true Umenyiora is not really a two way end. Nor is he a team leader. But he’s not a locker room cancer. He was a challenge for mgmt in NY because he always wanted more money. But his teammates frequently went on record to say he was solid as a teammmate. At one year $5 million he’s a good value for a team that just needs a bit more DLine pressure on the QB to put them over the top.

John Waynesworld

March 28th, 2013
12:33 pm

Very True, Tim, as I have read similar positive player quotes before about Osi.

As far as team leaders, wow, we have a few of those already, like about 50, lol, so we should be good there.

Unca' Bob

March 28th, 2013
12:40 pm

Osi said his son is a big Falcon fan. Even more so than a Giant’s fan.

D3

March 28th, 2013
12:44 pm

JWW — Posts are out.

D3

March 28th, 2013
12:45 pm

Yeah, better off without him, two super bowls later, huh.

The Time is NOW

March 28th, 2013
12:57 pm

Another advantage of the Osi signing is that it keeps teams guessing on our draft priorities. Are we looking for a bookend DE (I doubt it)? CB is a need, at least for depth, but do we already have a starter coming up from the practice squad? Are we looking at LB as our first focus? Could we even be focused on a DT, as many in the Cage have thoughtfully advocated? Teams that draft after us, may move to our benefit if they miscalculate our internal priorities. This signing plays into the KGB’s hands concerning the draft, IMHO, as it adds to the confusion about what our plan really is….

Falcon11

March 28th, 2013
1:14 pm

Our time to win the superbowl is now . Everyone knows that there is usually a small window of opritunity . This team is hungry . Osi adds a ton of experience and he will be much better in Nolans scheme. Nolan is one of the best at utilizing players strengths . Way to go Falcons!

John Waynesworld

March 28th, 2013
1:19 pm

1) What’re your overall thoughts on the signing: good, bad, or ugly? Great for this team and it’s only a start. Osi can still bring it, he wants to prove people wrong, and he didn’t break the cap bank.

2) Does this mean the Falcons are staying permanently in the 4-3 defense? I think Nolan wants it to keep it a hybrid defense, at least for now, using certain packages in certain situations. My only concern with that is the no-huddle offenses we will face, where packages cannot be inserted and you have to leave the same players on the field.

3) What’re your thoughts on the contract: 2 years, $5 mill guaranteed, $8.5 million overall, that could rise to $12 million with incentives. Pay the man. Hopefully his incentives will only count heavily if we win a Super Bowl.

4) Is this much better than just keep John Abraham? It may be a hair better or worse by itself, but I still say we will have both of these guys in camp, which will make it GREAT.

5) Who will be lining up opposite Umenyiora? Biermann, Matthews, Massaquoi, or draft pick? Abe and our #1 or #2 pick this April, along with others, will alternate. Nolan will use Kroy and the young DEs to spell the Osi and Abe, or even put Kroy on the same side with one of them as an OLB.

6) Speaking of, is there any way the Falcons can convince Abe to comeback for one more year on the cheap? Yes, in fact it wouldn’t surprise me if Abe came back super cheap or with the help of a friend on the team doing a bit of last minute contract restructuring, like one of our very wealthy O linemen. Abe has a lot of friends on this team.

7) How does this affect the Falcons draft plans? It won’t. Like many on this board have said, Osi (and Abe) are temporary fixes. We will draft a solid DE at #30, #60, or at the very latest #92, with one of the other first 3 picks also going toward more pass rush (DT, OLB, or another DE).

8) Are the Falcons putting too many eggs in one basket with all these older vets? We were a dozen yards from the Super Bowl, and the entire Falcons’ organization sniffed it and it smelled good. This is no time to think long term.

9) Will Umenyiora being a two-time Super Bowl winner help in the locker room? All SB ring-wearers help an NFL locker room. It helps the new players aspire to get one, and it makes the veterans without one hungry.

Coop

March 28th, 2013
1:33 pm

D3 – Thanks for continuing your excellent work!

In short, I love this move. Even if he isn’t as good as Abe (debateable), he is cheaper. Further, he is better than anyone on our roster now (at least for this next year) and better than anyone we would draft at #30 (for THIS year). He is a short term fix that allows us to have somewhat similar a pass rush to what we had last year. It was bad, but not completely non-existant which is what we were headed for.

It allows us another year to develop Matthews and Mass (they MUST get playing time in the rotation though), and allows us the flexibility to draft DE first or later instead of HAVING to draft one first.

Make no mistake, the signing of Osi, SJax, and TG is an absolute WIN NOW philosophy. However, all these guys can still perform at high levels. Maybe not best at their position, but likely better than anyone else on the roster. They will all be playing elsewhere or nowhere next year, but for 2013 they help position or team for Superbowl greatness.

I agree that we need to build through the draft, but I think these were 3 savvy moves to buy some time to allow our draft to flourish.

My only caveat to the whole thing is whether Smitty can actually employe the veterans properly and develop the rookies.

Coop

March 28th, 2013
1:42 pm

D3 – can you check the monsta for me?

JB Falcon

March 28th, 2013
1:47 pm

Band aid or not, before anyone calls the Osi signing a bad move, they should listen to his interview first. Unfortunately, it’s like listening to on end of a telephone conversation because the FO cannot afford a microphone for the folks asking the questions.
Anyway, I think that, under our current circumstances, the signing was a good move and I fully expect Osi to hold up his end.
http://www.atlantafalcons.com/media-lounge/videos/A-Dream-Situation/545d5130-f35f-4e8a-93ce-bb04f97c033a

John Waynesworld

March 28th, 2013
2:25 pm

“It allows us another year to develop Matthews and Mass (they MUST get playing time in the rotation though), and allows us the flexibility to draft DE first or later instead of HAVING to draft one first.”

Absolutely, Coop. Keep them guessing on Draft Day. By not having a dire position of need going into the draft, we can really be flexible.

SeminoleWarrior

March 28th, 2013
2:36 pm

D3

March 28th, 2013
2:37 pm

SW — That’s why the Blog Monster grabs so many of ya’lls posts, it’s working major overtime to scoop all this garbage spam. You wouldn’t believe some of the spam that gets sent this way. :lol:

SeminoleWarrior

March 28th, 2013
2:55 pm

LOL…I can believe it, bro. How is the little man?

Flo-Ri-Duh

March 28th, 2013
2:59 pm

Listen up! Abraham will NOT be back – cap room is very limited and Falcons want to resign Chris Hope (S). The last half of the season Abraham was fading fast. It’s not just his age – he has a lot of miles. Osi hasn’t played nearly as many downs. YES, in his prime Abraham was better than Osi – he was as good as anybody on the field. It’s sad but he’s done. The signing of Osi will not change the course of the Falcons’ draft. They will still go #1 Datone Jones ( DE) #2 Jamar Taylor (CB) or Jordan Poyer (CB)

Matty Bicep

March 28th, 2013
3:18 pm

Flo, agree about Abs, he’s just done. I think your right.

Flo-Ri-Duh

March 28th, 2013
3:20 pm

Friday mock DRAFT: #1 Datone Jones (DE) #2 Jamar Taylor (CB) or Jordan Poyer (CB) [by trade; Oakland's #2 in 2013 (3rd pick 2nd round) for Atlanta's #2 in 2014 & #4 & #7 in 2013]. #2 Jonathan Jenkins (DT) #3 Sio Moore (ILB/OLB) [trade up with Jax;; Jax's #3 (2nd pick 3rd round 2013 for Atlanta's #3 & #6 in 2013] #4 Alvin Bailey (OG) #5 Kiko Alonso (ILB) #7 Malcolm Brown (WR) #7 Ontereo McCaleb (RB/ kick returner).

D3

March 28th, 2013
3:29 pm

Flo-Ri-Duh — Good picks. Like the Alonso and Moore picks, but not feeling spending a draft pick on Marlon Brown. Never lived up to the hype. We kept waiting as UGA fans, because he was rated #1 WR in the nation coming out of HS. He came on a “little” bit as a senior, but the injury kicks him out of being drafted, IMO. Definitely as a UDFA.

Knew Money

March 28th, 2013
3:32 pm

I look at it similar to the A. Samuel trade. It’s a good, veteran that can provide some leadership.

D3

March 28th, 2013
3:33 pm

Huh, check this one out……………

Molasses Mike Jenkins lands with the Patriots
Patriots signed WR Michael Jenkins, formerly of the Vikings.
Jenkins, 31 in June, caught 40 passes for 449 yards and two touchdowns last season, appearing in all 16 games. “Molasses Mike” was released by the Vikings more than three weeks ago, and didn’t draw an ounce of known interest before signing with New England. The deal is likely for the veteran’s minimum, and it isn’t a guarantee that he’ll make the team out of training camp. Jenkins can block, but he can no longer generate any separation from defensive backs.

Flo-Ri-Duh

March 28th, 2013
3:42 pm

Got to improve the pass rush and run defense thus #1 Datone Jones – versatile DE – good pass rusher & run defender in the 4-3 or 3-4. #2 Jamar Taylor(CB) or Jordan Poyer (CB) – solid in man to man or zone defense against run and pass #2 Johnathan Jenkins (DT) run stopper with good push on the QB & versatile in the 4-3 or 3-4/ #3 Sio Moore (OLB/ILB) – versatile can play inside or outside and speed to cover passes while good against the run #5 Kiko Alonso (ILB) strictly inside guy good size and speed to cover and run stop . Pick #4 Alvin Bailey (OG) is an early entry junior and has rare quickness and power for his size – already excellent run blocker with a lot of upside once coached up on pass blocking. #7 Malcolm Brown (WR)- rated the #1 WR in the country coming out of high school – has all the tools , size, speed, instincts, hands and good down field blocker – injuries kept him from being a #2 or #3 pick. #7 Ontereo McCAlebb (RB/ kick returner) 4.3 40 at the combine and Falcons were dismal on kick off and punt returns last year…