What Changes are Needed on Atlanta Falcons Defense?

Give Your Plan on Defense

Defensive End

The lack of pass rush other than John Abraham has been beaten to a pulp by fans and critics alike for years and years, and rightly so. This defense has been downright pitiful in getting to the quarterback. Sure, it’s not the easiest thing in the world to do, but the failure to develop ANY pass rush from the defensive ends spot, or any defensive end prospect for that matter over a 5 year period is just criminal. They tried to move Kroy Biermann to a full-time DE in the 4-3, even though he was unanimously projected as an OLB at the next level. They re-signed Chauncey Davis to a starter level contract and he did absolutely nothing. They signed Ray Edwards and we all know how that turned out. Lawrence Sidbury must have kicked Mike Smith’s dog, because he’s nowhere to be found, even though he earned 4 sacks in very limited chances in 2011. Cliff Matthews and Jonathan Massaquoi showed some potential, but they didn’t see the field until Ray Edwards got himself cut.

Time for these fellas to produce (AJC)

This position, like several others, needs a complete overhaul. Will they be able to go out and get an elite defensive end? No, and they shouldn’t even try. First of all, they’re going to have to make some very painful decisions to build this defense for the long haul, not even mentioning that they will have to clear cap space somehow. Abraham might be on the block to get cut since he’ll be 35 in May and has shown signs of slowing. As mentioned before, a move to the 3-4 seems to be the best way to go. The move would allow the Falcons to try Biermann, Massaquoi, Matthews, Sidbury (if they keep him), and maybe even Nicholas to a standup outside linebacker, for none of them seem ready to lift off at DE in the 4-3.

Even if Abraham is somehow kept, he could prolong his career by standing up as OLB, not having to take a beating every single play with his hand in the dirt. Given all the resources over a span of 5 years, it’s time to overhaul this position and it’s best described by Albert Einstein’s famous quote: “doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.” Assessment — Implosion

Defensive Tackle

Major Changes @ DT (AJC)

This position has been one of the most underperforming since Smith and Dimitroff took over. It’s not even out of the realm to say that the Falcons did better with the likes of Rod Coleman and big Grady Jackson. Jonathan Babineaux has been the only consistency at defensive tackle and, like Abraham, he hasn’t had much of any help on the other side. Corey Peters was a nice surprise, but his injury limited his production in 2012. Vance Walker is excellent as a rotation tackle. Who knows about Travian Robertson because he was placed firmly in Smith’s “Witness Protection Program.” Peria Jerry is without a doubt Dimitroff’s worst pick and really is not worth keeping around at this point, regardless of how little he costs towards the salary cap. Micanor Regis is on the practice squad and is extremely athletic for someone his size (6’3, 307) and could make the leap if he continues to progress.

It may not make any sense to clean house to an extent, but if you keep going back to the fact that what’s been done previously just has not worked in hardly any capacity, than it’s easier to remember that changes are needed. As mentioned before, Jerry’s time has come and gone and cutting him wouldn’t alter very much going forward and would even save $1 million towards the cap. If they move to a 3-4, Walker, Peters, and Robertson could move to a 5-technique defensive end, and Peters could backup at Nose Tackle in a pinch. That would clear two spots for the draft, where they could double dip at nose tackle, or take a nose tackle and a player for 5 technique. If they can figure out a way to keep Jonathan Babineaux, it will be fantastic. But the consummate Falcon is one of the few candidates that could save the Falcons major money towards the cap and wouldn’t create any dead money, almost $5 million. No fan wants to lose any player that’s been so productive and so loyal for so long, but it’s a business and it may be an unfortunate reality. Going back to the underlying point, the past hasn’t worked and it’s time for a change, especially at defensive tackle. Assessment — Implosion

Linebackers

Big Changes @ LB? (AJC)

Once a group with so much promise, the Atlanta Falcons LB corps wasn’t the strength many thought it may be in 2012. The position got off to a bad start when Lofa Tatupu was injured in the weight room during his comeback attempt before the season even started. He may not have won the starting job anyway, but at least he would have provided competition and may could have helped in coverage. Akeem Dent didn’t see the field much, but had major issues in the beginning, particularly in coverage, but did show some improvement towards the end of the season. His future as a long-time starter is still in doubt, though.

Stephen Nicholas was thought to possibly blossom after getting a fairly large contract and being placed in Mike Nolan’s more aggressive scheme. He maybe didn’t have a “terrible” year, notching almost 100 tackles, 2 sacks, 1 interception, and 1 forced fumble. But he looked particularly poor in the playoffs trying to cover in space. Some think that Nicholas could be on the dock to be cut, but his he’s owed $3 million in signing bonus money and it doesn’t make any sense. Mike Peterson has been a stalwart in the locker room for his leadership and toughness, but it’s time to move on. Robert James has had plenty of chances to make a move after 5 years, so it’s time to give someone else a chance. Pat Schiller is hanging around the practice squad and showed some major promise, so perhaps he could make the jump.

Is Dent a Full-Time Starter? (AJC)

After a very good start, even Sean Weatherspoon wasn’t the same after his injury. A move to the 3-4 would obviously change the complexion of the position, and Biermann should get consideration of a move to outside linebacker regardless of what scheme they run. They obviously won’t be looking to add any linebackers in free agency, mainly because they don’t have any money to do so, but also due to the fact that there’s not much there anyway. Linebacker should get a long look as an early pick in this year’s draft. Considering that both backup spots should be open and that Spoon is really the only true linebacker to build around, this needs a big change as well. Assessment – Dynamite, bordering on Implosion

Cornerbacks

One of the few bright spots for the Falcons on defense this year. Asante Samuel and Dunta Robinson formed a good and solid duo, if not dominant. This is also considering that they planned on rolling with 3 starting caliber corners, choosing to give $10+ million on Brent Grimes and losing him in the first game of the season. Robert McClain was a nice surprise and played extremely well in the nickel role. The former practice squad player even played well on the outside when called upon. Chris Owens showed the form he had back as a rookie and he looks to be kept in free agency for depth and continued development. Dominique Franks appears to be on his way out again after only getting the nod after Brent Grimes was put on IR and offering absolutely nothing as a punt returner.

Should he stay or should he go? (AJC)

Some think that Dunta Robinson might be on the cap casualty block. But his contract seems to be that the Falcons would have to pay around $3 million just to cut him, which would create yet another hole to fill on an already weak defense. Others think that the Falcons will cut Robinson and keep Grimes. It’s surely a possibility, but a major risk with Grimes coming off a major Achilles heel injury. The secondary wasn’t the problem nearly as much as the front seven, and really played quite well considering the pitiful pass rush.

Robert McClain looks set solid as the nickel back after doing a fantastic job this past season. He will definitely be kept and could maybe even be groomed to take over full-time after Robinson or Samuel either retire or decline. Chris Owens is a free agent this season, but should also be kept. After a few years of seeming regression, he seemed to have somewhat of a small rebirth under Nolan and his new defense. Injuries plagued him late in the year, but overall he provides excellent depth as the #4 cornerback and has experience of starting as well. Dominique Franks is technically under contract for 2013, but looks to likely be on his way out. Franks either has regressed from his initial potential or just isn’t suited for Nolan’s defense. A few young cornerbacks in the draft might be a good spot for a #5 CB to groom and develop. Assessment — Firecrackers

Safeties

Stable @ Safety (AJC)

This is one of the few strengths of the defense and both safeties, Thomas DeCoud and William Moore, were promoted to the Pro Bowl when the 49ers duo went to the Super Bowl. They aren’t perfect and must work on their consistency from week to week, but at times they look like the best safety tandem in the league. DeCoud is mostly good on coverage skills, but the image of trying to arm tackle Vernon Davis in the NFC Championship Game will long linger. William Moore is set to become a free agent, but it’s hard to imagine Dimitroff not doing everything he can to keep Moore a Falcon. There was a recent report that Moore wants to test the free agent market, but it’s not the best year for him to do it. Superb safeties Jarius Byrd, Kenny Phillips, and Dashon Goldson are also set to become free agents and Moore missing extensive time due to injury doesn’t help his case either. Expect Dimitroff to keep one of his young stars in red and black, but if not, there are other free agent options available.

Charles Mitchell seems to have a future as not only a backup safety, but could eventually work himself into something more. The backup positions have essentially been turnstiles since Dimitroff took over, whether being low draft picks that eventually lose their job such as Shann Schillinger, undrafted free agents, or journeymen who never stick. Dimitroff usually reserves the other spot for a good veteran safety that can come in and perform well in case injuries are an issue, mainly William Moore. James Sanders filled that role last year and Chris Hope did a very good job this year. Assuming Hope doesn’t ask for the moon, it’s very reasonable to see him sticking around for another year. If the Falcons can keep Moore, this is the most stable of positions not only on defense, but also on the entire team. Assessment — Firecrackers.

Punt Returner

Someone, Anyone (AJC)

Nothing too much to elaborate here, but is there anything bigger than an implosion? Franks showed a tiny glimpse in preseason only to use fair catches the entire season. The punt return game literally added no threat or offensive help whatsoever. Harry Douglas got a late season chance at returner, but couldn’t get it together or find his groove either. The Falcons need to add a major infusion of talent and competition both at punt returner and relieve Jacquizz Rodgers on kick return. Assessment — Massive Implosion

Bird Cage Citizens Turn

1) Quick INT – How much work does defense need: minor, medium, or major repairs?

2) What should happen to the defensive end position?

3) Any free agents to look at DE or purely draft?

4) What should happen to the defensive tackle position?

5) Free agents, draft, or both at DT?

6) Who’s your 5 or 6 DTs on opening day?

7) Implode the linebacker corps if you must: what’s your plan?

8.) Who would be your 5-6 LBs on opening day?

9) What’s your plan @ cornerback?

10) What should Falcons do if William Moore maxes out somewhere else?

316 comments Add your comment

SeminoleWarrior

February 14th, 2013
11:53 am

First…and this one is going to get interesting I promise you.

SeminoleWarrior

February 14th, 2013
12:04 pm

First thoughts

This defense is NOT of championship caliber. That should not surprise anyone. It have been in a state of reconstruction since the day that CFA Mike Smith arrived in ATL. Now, some FIVE DCs later, it is STILL a work in progress.

Yes, I said FIVE defensive coordinators. Two, BVG and Mike Nolan, have officially had the title. The others, Emmitt Thomas, Mike Smith, and Tim Lewis, all have had significant roles in the “developing” of various components of the defense. Their skills and knowledge “should” have been instrumental in the “evolution” of a defensive philosophy. The results have been mixed to poor.

My first thought is that there has been a poor process in place to develop the talent that has been acquired. TD has found gems in the second, third, and fourth rounds or later all his professional career. He did it well as a scout with New England and the talent was instrumental in winning division titles, conference titles, and a pair of Super Bowls. Could he have missed in ATL? Sure.
But do we really know when the vast majority of his picks have seen minimal to almost no extended time on the playing field?

BVG was criticized for operating a soft zone approach to the defense. Mike Nolan comes in, in the wake of massive public outcry and an embarassed owner, to “save” the day. His hiring was lauded as the key to finally gettting it all together. Sadly, we managed to force more turnovers and make a few spectacular plays but the defense disappeared too often when needed most. Coverages were STILL blown, tackling was HORRID at times, and pass rush, OMG..talk about disappearing acts!!

Yes, this defense NEEDS a major review and infusion of energy, talent, and personnel. If ATL is to win a Super Bowl soon, it will need to outscore its opponents rather than rely on a defense. For if this team is to win a title, this is NOT the defense to do it with.

SeminoleWarrior

February 14th, 2013
12:05 pm

D3, I think it got me. Will await your check before I re-type.

D3

February 14th, 2013
12:08 pm

SW — Out my man

SeminoleWarrior

February 14th, 2013
12:11 pm

Thanks, bro.

D3

February 14th, 2013
12:19 pm

SW — Well said my brother. You’ve had this one pegged the whole time and you get major credit for it. The most basic thing that finally rung true with me is that “this defense is the same or even worse than it was in 2007 or even 2008.” That is simply inexcusable. I also agree that most of it is on Smitty. As you said, it was his decision to hire Van Gorder (never an NFL coordinator and only in the league a handful of years, not to mention his questionable and quick moves including wrecking Georgia Southern). The only explanation there is that he wanted someone he could control. There’s no other reason for it.

It was CFA Smith’s decision to go with a 4-3 that was EXACTLY the opposite of what brought him so much success. Big ol’ DT’s in the middle: Tony Siragusa in Baltimore and John Henderson / Marcus Stroud in Jax. And so we do the EXACT opposite in Atlanta? Honestly, I never bought the “quick and penetrating garbage.” That’s fine and well and good vs. mediocre OL’s, but when you run up against beef-eating OL like the Niners and Seahawks……forget it. The DE’s get all the blame, but the DT’s are the source of the problem, in my opinion.

SeminoleWarrior

February 14th, 2013
12:26 pm

Defensive end is, other than John Abraham, a major disappointment on this team. Players have either not developed, been undersized in their statue, or have not been effective as high priced free agents. IMHO, the front office has done one of two things; been too focused on offensive evolution OR totally blind to the defensive effort. Since we allowed Patrick Kearney to depart ATL, 50% of our defensive end starting rotation has been a revolving doors with minimal production.

A team with FIVE defensive coordinators on the staff at various times should have identified MUCH earlier that pass rush was an issue. After all, even little Jimmy Mora was smart enough to invest in enhancing the pass rush when ATL traded a first round pick to the Jets in 2006 for John Abraham.

The move would be the only effective one the Falcons would make in the next six years when it came to the defensive end position.

SeminoleWarrior

February 14th, 2013
12:31 pm

D3, small and penetrating can work IF you have the talent AND the coaching for it.

Recall the Rod Coleman, Chad Lavalais, and early Babs days? They were attacking undertackles that disrupted the interior of offensive fronts opposite the Greyhound Bus known as Grady Jackson.
Jimmy and Ed Donatell understood this….

JB Falcon

February 14th, 2013
12:35 pm

Is it my computer or did the first four pages of the blog disappear?

Birdman

February 14th, 2013
12:35 pm

Great Topic D3

No 1 Major Repair . Is what they are in need of Draft . With a great defense to limit teams to score will only help the high powered offence the Birds have and be a hard team to beat

2 First round pick to DE

3 Draft Draft Draft !!

4 ? not sure

5 Not sure ? I will liston to more input from out there

6 ?

7 draft

8 ?

9 let Grimes go and see who will be left standing in the 2nd round pick

10 Falcons need to Keep Moore if they can

The Falcons being so late in the Fist round Pick could be to there advantage as to see who may be left for round 2 and some deals may be made to move up

SeminoleWarrior

February 14th, 2013
12:36 pm

“It was CFA Smith’s decision to go with a 4-3 that was EXACTLY the opposite of what brought him so much success. Big ol’ DT’s in the middle: Tony Siragusa in Baltimore and John Henderson / Marcus Stroud in Jax. And so we do the EXACT opposite in Atlanta? Honestly, I never bought the “quick and penetrating garbage.” That’s fine and well and good vs. mediocre OL’s, but when you run up against beef-eating OL like the Niners and Seahawks……forget it. The DE’s get all the blame, but the DT’s are the source of the problem, in my opinion.”

Amen, my brother. When we took Jerry for instance in 2009, the TeePee was high on three defensive tackles. Of course, I was big on Ziggy Hood as my undertackle with Ron Brace and Terrance Knighton as my biggies.

This could have allowed us to move Babs back outside to DE, a position he played in at time under the Mora/Donatell regime with solid results. Or we could have done what the Steelers did; move Hood to DE and keep Babs at DT.

SeminoleWarrior

February 14th, 2013
12:38 pm

Birdman, I think we can get that DT in this draft. I think that Jesse Williams or Kawann Short has a real shot at being available. The Combine will be telling.

SeminoleWarrior

February 14th, 2013
12:42 pm

Any free agents to look at DE or purely draft? No.

In the eyes of the TeePee, the best available defensive ends will either be resigned with their teams or be tagged. Mike Johnson, Cliff Avril, Michael Bennett, and Anthony Spencer will be more costly than the Falcons will be able to afford. Again, the cap come back to haunt us IMHO.

The rest of the available FA talent does nothing to excite me and IMHO offers nothing more than what we have or is injury prone (avoid at all costs).

SeminoleWarrior

February 14th, 2013
12:45 pm

What should happen to the defensive tackle position?

INHO, we HAVE to draft a defensive tackle in the first two rounds of this draft. It is essential. Depth is minimal, salary/age/injuries are becoming a factor (Babs), and there is nothing proven in the reserve.

Birdman

February 14th, 2013
12:47 pm

SW

12.42 post Agreed

SeminoleWarrior

February 14th, 2013
12:51 pm

Implode the linebacker corps if you must: what’s your plan?

IMHO, we HAVE to draft at least two linebackers in this draft. It, too, is essential. Depth is minimal, the reserves are just that, and we need significant upgrades in talent and capabilities.

Our linebacker corps has SERIOUS issues in pass coverage. And it is in need of enhanced blitzers and more efficient tacklers.

Bierman is a candidate to move into the LB corps. And I think he would be a significant upgrade at the SLB or MLB. Dent is a quality reserve in my opinon. I have seen nothing of him that make me think he is going to be a force long term. I, for one, MISS Curtis Lofton in the middle in run defense and I may be in the majority, but he offered more than Dent does in pass coverage. And that is not saying much…

Linebacker upgrades are needed. In this draft, I am favoring Chase Thomas and Khaseem Greene.

SeminoleWarrior

February 14th, 2013
12:54 pm

Going to pause for a few. I want to keep my points on target and not get off message.

The defense IS the element of the most pressing concern. We have to break this down this right way and have a constructive dialogue. For until it is dramatically improved, in content and quality, there will be no Peachtee parade.

Birdman

February 14th, 2013
12:58 pm

D3 & SW

Thanks for the reads and input !!

Ya’ll have a Blessed day !!!!!!!

Matty Bicep

February 14th, 2013
1:11 pm

TD has found gems in the second, third, and fourth rounds or later all his professional career. He did it well as a scout with New England and the talent was instrumental in winning division titles, conference titles, and a pair of Super Bowls. Could he have missed in ATL? Sure.

Lets analyze:

In 5 years:

2nd Rounders: Lofton, Willy Mo, C Peters — 100% here, don’t see a problem.
3rd Rounders: Chevis Jackson, Chris Owens, Dent I would call this about 75%.
4th Rounders : Sidbury. back to him.

So, out of 7 players we have 4 starters, a nickle, a journeyman, and Sid. Other than the El Sid mystery, I don’t see an issue….

I would find it hard to believe we are much below average here.

I read where 30 of the 38 players drafted under TD are still on the Falcons, and 1 of the remaining 8 still play in the NFL. That is among the best in football over 5 years…..But I do agree that we are not playing championship defensive football, but we have not invested early in our defense, and we did appear to miss with Jerry …..but other than Jerry and Peters, we have not drafted a DT OR DE in 5 years….Very telling.

Matty Bicep

February 14th, 2013
1:22 pm

http://www.thefalcoholic.com/2013/2/13/3987242/thomas-dimitroff-is-a-saavy-drafter

Funny, I see the same comments about people not getting on the field…If we were 4-12, found a new way to lose every weekend, or, you know, resembled the falcons we all know and love, I could see the point….but, we are a pretty good team. I do trust that these guys are being developed as 5th-7th rounds need to be, and if one of those guys steps up next year, we will be in pretty good shape.

Falcon 34

February 14th, 2013
1:34 pm

Bicep – how’s that defensive tackle, defensive end, and linebacker situation working out? Also, both starting CBs are free agents or through a trade. Nicholas was drafted under McKay. Gonzalez, through a trade. Clabo, McClure, Blalock….already here. Roddy, already here. Turner, free agent. Abraham and Babineaux, already here.

Nah man, we don’t have an issue with development at all.

Chop Buster

February 14th, 2013
1:45 pm

Mike Smith Giving His Defensive Staff an Assignment

Later this month Falcons coach Mike Smith will gather the members of his defensive staff and hand them an assignment. He will remind them about the playoff games against Wilson and Kaepernick. The former threw against them at will. Maybe the latter could have, but the fear of Kaepernick’s arm and feet freed the Niners’ backs to run wild. Smith will tell his staff, Figure out how to stop these mobile guys who can throw. Diagnose the option read.

“I won’t be alone,” Smith says. “You can bet every defensive coach in the league will vet this offense. Every one of my coaches will be assigned a specific element. They’ll research it, they’ll present their findings, and we’ll add some strategy to our playbook for next season.”

So what do teams do to adjust? SI asked four defensive assistants who faced either San Francisco or Washington in 2012 to predict how the league would scheme to stop the pistol. They focused on three positions: corners who can cover without safety help, quick defensive ends who can shed blocks, and linebackers who can cover. Cornerbacks will have to go man-to-man more often because safeties will be needed to help in run support and in diagnosing the pistol. Defensive ends, instead of rushing upfield to sack the quarterback, will spy the passer instead and mirror his movements. And more than ever linebackers will keep one eye on runners waiting for a handoff that may get yanked back and the other eye on receivers trolling the middle.

“The defense,” says one veteran coordinator, “has to be a lot more disciplined against the pistol.” Teams will need more corners like Seattle’s Richard Sherman on islands, to take away good wideouts; more pass rushers like Cameron Wake to shed guards and tackles and keep mobile quarterbacks from breaking past the line of scrimmage; more linebackers like Patrick Willis to cover intermediate areas and make sure the backs who take pistol handoffs don’t break runs for big gains.

The DCs seem to think the way to defend these mobile QBs are the same things we’ve been saying…DL pressure, LBs that can cover and CBs that can play man.

Matty Bicep

February 14th, 2013
1:56 pm

In 5 years, we have never drafted a DE before round 5, and that Beirman.

We have drafted 4 LBs before round 5, 3 all of them start, one was a washout.

We drafted Jerry and Peters before round 5, Peters is OK, Jerry was a miss. The only CB we drafted before round 5 was Revis and Owen, our best, Grimes CB development, got hurt.

All the lack of “development” are generally guys drafted rounds 5-7, and they generally take a few years. Patience….We are just a good team, if one of two of those guys make it, we will be in better shape than we think.

SeminoleWarrior

February 14th, 2013
2:01 pm

Chop,

CFA Smith has to wait until now to give his staff an assignment that has been FIVE years in the making? Just provides more ammo to the b……t line we have heard the previous four offseason; than an effective evaluation is in progress and that changes are coming. Just my MHO.

The stock takes yet another hit.

Matty Bicep

February 14th, 2013
2:01 pm

We just went to the NFC championship game, we have a roster full of potentially very talented. late round picks in critical areas of need that have not even gotten onto the field yet. I am not ready to say we have a huge problem, on the contrary, of Massaqa, or Roberson, or holmes, or Johnson come in and contribute a lot next year, we are in pretty darn good shape.

SeminoleWarrior

February 14th, 2013
2:05 pm

“The DCs seem to think the way to defend these mobile QBs are the same things we’ve been saying…DL pressure, LBs that can cover and CBs that can play man.”

Amazing what a REAL evaluation can do for a coaching staff.

I will summarize it like this. For three of the last four years, the wife of the gentleman that sits next to me in section 209 has asked me the same question.

Why does the other team have such an easy time moving the ball?

Beautiful, smart lady. I wish I had an answer. Yet, she gets the same response from the left and the right…her husbadn and I just scream in frustration and anger.

Telling, huh.

Matty Bicep

February 14th, 2013
2:11 pm

But to stay on Topic, we need to draft for the front 7. If one of or two of the WPP guys make an inpact, great. If we have a roster full of Kerry Meiers, then we are screwed.

As far as CBs adn DEs, good ones are special, many teams are lucky to have one, let alone 2. It is not realistic to assume every 5th rounder we pick who play that position will be pro bowlers.

SeminoleWarrior

February 14th, 2013
2:13 pm

Breaking night. An early arrival at the forecast office followed by the swing set.

Will continue to assess more for this topic. See you all on the other side. Stay safe.

JB Falcon

February 14th, 2013
2:14 pm

Chop Buster

February 14th, 2013
2:17 pm

SW, I’m a stickler for discipline, fundamentals and accountability–all of which our team seems to be lacking. Maybe Smitty is just too soft and buddy buddy with the team. He sure as heck doesn’t seem to hold these guys accountable by benching them when they consistently screw up.

Anyway, I blind man can see the issues that our defense has had for the past five years. The secondary did get a little better from Nolan letting them roam more, but our DL and LBs are still an issue. No consistent pressure on the QB and LBs cannot cover and doesn’t know how to get off blocks (swallowed up by Olinemen). Now part of this in my mind is we are too light in the *ss on the DL, LBs not enough speed, and part of it goes back to coaching.

As spectators we can dream about the ultimate offense or defense we’d put together from the comfort of our couch, but then reality comes along and pimp slaps us with the fact that we see the same old crap with this team. They have come light years from where they were before the Smitty years, but we keep teetering on the edge of becoming a consistently dominant team.

Chop Buster

February 14th, 2013
2:21 pm

When will we learn to truly beat a team down without mercy? When will we get some attitude and bring it (offensively & defensively) EVERY game? The team is soft because the CFA is soft.

Big Ray

February 14th, 2013
2:47 pm

Falcon 34 – Bingo…

Big Ray

February 14th, 2013
2:50 pm

Somebody Needs to tell the Truth ,

Per our conversation on the last blog, I appreciate the kudos but I can’t take credit for the suggestion of Roddy to the slot WR position. That innovative comment belongs to Seminole Warrior , I was just agreeing with it and explaining why I thought it might be a good move.

But you took that ball and ran pretty well with it, I must say.

Big Ray

February 14th, 2013
2:54 pm

JB ,

That article was very much on target. Nice link…

SOMEBODY NEEDS TO TELL THE TRUTH

February 14th, 2013
2:57 pm

MIKE SMITH! You down wit WPP?!?! Mike Smith>YEAH YOU KNOW ME…

SOMEBODY NEEDS TO TELL THE TRUTH

February 14th, 2013
3:02 pm

SW, My mistake. I had to go back and carefully read that post again…and Big Ray, you are indeed correct, my apologies SW.

SW, Mighty fine Suggestion about moving Roddy to slot, on the previous blog.

JB Falcon

February 14th, 2013
3:21 pm

Okay, Ya’ll can label me Dumb A** of the Day. I was wondering what happened to the first pages of the blog and was reading right along until, just now, I realized this is a whole new post!
Guess I should go read what we’ve been talking about. (I’ll be over here under this rug)

Dimitroff

February 14th, 2013
3:51 pm

1st Round Pick: Jesse Williams or John Jenkins
2nd Round Pick: Kasheem Greene or Brandon Jenkins
3rd Round Pick: Jon Bostic or Kevin Reddick

Esquire

February 14th, 2013
4:26 pm

“Stephen Nicholas could be on the dock to be cut, but he’s owed $3 million in signing bonus money and it doesn’t make any sense”

***************************************************

Oh, it makes sense. You don’t get a 15 yard unnecessary and give the opposition the ball on your own 20 some odd yard line. Not in the NFC Championship game. Coach Smith can’t afford to allow this guy to be around to make this mistake twice.

DJ Sniper

February 14th, 2013
4:33 pm

One other option to look at for a new DT: Brandon Williams from Missouri Southern. 6′2″, 341 lbs, notched 28.5 sacks during his 4 year career. I saw some footage of him, and he looks like an effective run stopper as well as a pretty good interior pass rusher. We could probably get him in one of the later rounds.

Drake

February 14th, 2013
5:06 pm

1.) Atlanta Defense did pretty good to me there only problem was tackling. They tried to cause turnovers more than getting a tackle, Which isn’t bad but when a player breaks off for a big gain.
2.) John is getting old we need someone with his athleticism of the bench because hes a great role model to the defensive line
5.) i dont know who to pick for DT but we need someone who can come off the bench be explosive and ready to learn from the older guys
7.) linebackers i say be more explosive always send Spoon for blitz because he has great speed
9.) Atlanta has the best corner backs in my eyes last year when it was just grimes and dante i thought they needed alot of work but with Decoud and Moore stepping upthere doing pretty well plus grimes is coming back this year with him healthy we will be great
10.)If moore does leave which i hope he doesnt we still have decoud whos just as good but we shouldnt waste a pick on a FS

Matty Bicep

February 14th, 2013
5:41 pm

TD Drafted Starters:

Cory Peters 2nd
Beirman 5th
Spoon 1st
Dent 3rd
Moore 2nd
Decoup 3rd
Owen Nickle 3rd

So really, we got Babs, Abe, and Nichalous, and our 2CBs….Had Grimes not gotten hurt, my guess is he would have been one more system developed starter.

Really, the only drafted players on the D side that I am “disappointed” with are Jerry and Sid, all the other D guys on our roster are 5th round and up guys who may or may not have be productive players for somebody one day….Sure I would love to see Robertson, or Massaqui contribute more than they did, but there was a reason they lasted as long as they did in the draft.

Big Ray

February 14th, 2013
5:55 pm

Redskins RB Alfred Morris lasted until the 7th round. Was there a reason for that? If so, it was a wrong reason.

Matty Bicep

February 14th, 2013
6:12 pm

Sure, there are always examples of late round draft choices who contribute early, but that is not the rule, tis the exception.

Point is, we have not invested high draft picks heavily on D, and it shows. If you think it is a sign in ineptness of our coaching staff to develop, I disagree. Also, our injury karma has been heavily on the D side of the ball….so then ya got that too.

Matty Bicep

February 14th, 2013
6:15 pm

Point is, someone said that our draft choice, rounds 2-4 have failed to develop. I listed every D player drafted in the past 5 years drafted 2-4, we have multiple starters, a few backups, one guy let the organization, and one 4th rounder who is a mystery. Hardly a system failure.

Matty Bicep

February 14th, 2013
6:18 pm

Excuse me, 2 guys left, forgot about Chevis.

Screen Pass

February 14th, 2013
6:32 pm

“The stock takes yet another hit.” – SW

Lol, nice analogy. The smart money left that station awhile back, the slow will continue to look at inflated indicators and rub themselves until the eventual crash. Funny how breakdowns on these offense’s were done on this board and many others but our CS is just now getting around to it?

WR

February 14th, 2013
8:55 pm

Nice to be able to check in with the cage and on such a great topic. Defense, Defense, Defense, wins championships. Sure that might not be true in today’s game, but you better at least have one that can get after a QB even if you have a high octane offense. What Mike Nolan brought to the Falcons was immeasurable in my opinion, basically the same bunch, with the same lack of pressure, but somehow finding an ability to generate pressure. Ultimately the lack of talent caught up to the Falcons defensively, sorry but for all the praise that Ryan got for the last minute comebacks, it usually was because the D was being shredded. Now the O is not without blame, that’s a later conversation, we’re focusing on the D right now. Outside of a very aging Abe, the DL is really not that good, good situational players, but not that good overall. Same if not more could be said of the LB unit, outside of Spoon, sure Nicholas had a pretty good season, but overall he’s not that good, and the unit is definitely not that good. As Eugene, you probably helped screw Atlanta out of a Super Bowl, Robinson would say, who would have thung it, the Falcons secondary probably is the strength of the team defensively.

That being said, all the debates of who the Falcons should pick center around replacing Gonzo. Sure those are huge shoes to fill, but a lack luster D with a defensive mined head coach, whom has had the same lack luster D during his entire term, no matter the record, is confusing. Could just be me, but the Falcons have lacked an identity since Smith took over. Who are the Atlanta Falcons, they could be the explosive offense that Koetter brought, looks pretty good, they could be the turnover creating D that Nolan brought, sounds good two, but ultimately they are what their head coach is, and what is that……………………………………………………yep, solving that issue will get this team to the SB.

JB Falcon

February 14th, 2013
9:33 pm

WR, you stated your opinion very well.

Big Ray

February 15th, 2013
12:13 am

WR ,

Damn. Good. Post.

Glad to see you around.

And SP too, LOL.

Big Ray

February 15th, 2013
3:01 am

Ok, so time to do my midnight mad hatter thing….

Big Ray

February 15th, 2013
3:28 am

http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2013positionreviewRB.php

I hope we take a RB in this year’s draft…preferably before the 5th round, but then….we got Quizz in that round, so you never know.

That said, perhaps we should start taking serious looks at guys who are not currently ranked in the top 5-7 prospect names at the moment. You never know where you could find your Alfred Morris or other talented RB that can really help your team.

That said, it’s also important that the WPP be abolished in such cases. Quizz should have been proof that you don’t have to take a substantial amount of time breaking a rookie RB in. Let the kid get out there in the trenches and fight for it. Quizz’s work ethic and attitude proved he was no liability in pass protection, nor would he be a fumble magnet. And talk about reliable in receiving situations!

And having said THAT….I have some opinions on what Charlie Campbell wrote in the above link:

1) Eddie Lacy is indeed a physical RB, but if he has had some issues with injuries in college (feet, legs) then the NFL is going to be that much harder. He’s a load at 220…but that’s nothing NFL defenders aren’t used to.

There’s another thing. Lacy gets plenty of mention for the famous spin move he likes to use. In the NFL that = fumble waiting to happen. Not guaranteed, but then look how many teams have defenders that are good at stripping or knocking the ball loose? You can spin away from one guy and spin right into a 6′4″ 250 lb LB who is at the height of his 4.6 speed…

2) I don’t see how Campbell has Joseph Randle as the biggest potential bust. The reason I say this is he also mentions Jamison and talks about their weight. 200 lbs may or may not be ideal in a RB, but this is a different League these days. Guys don’t always need to “pound” the ball…they need to be able to gash defenses. They need to be able to act as receivers. There simply aren’t as many “bashers” as there used to be, plain and simple.

Also, many teams are platooning RBs. Some use two guys, some use 3 or 4.

Part of what can end up in a RB being a bust revolves around the typical size/speed/strength/vision continuum. The other part centers SQUARELY on how a team uses him.

Case in point – Darren Sproles. Used somewhat decently in San Diego, he put up some decent stats in large part because of his speed. However, he truly blossomed in New Orleans because he was used so much more often, in ways that truly took advantage of his talents/abilities. The dude is 5′6″ and 190 lbs (soaking wet, I might add).

Then there is JaQuizz Rodgers, who lacks Sproles blazing speed but doesn’t go down easy, almost always makes the first (and sometimes second) defender miss when in space, and continually finds ways to get yards when it seems like there shouldn’t be a way. We know Quizz’s measurables.

The Randle may not be ideal as a feature back. Neither is David Wilson at 5′9″ and 205. Yeah, I know he runs a mean 40. So what? It’s more than just being “overly fast or physical.”

We know this. We’ve seen it.

At 5′10″ and 218, Alfred Morris promised a little more physicality, but didn’t/doesn’t have particularly noticeable power. And his 40 time? An uninspiring 4.67. Yet, he was right there with Adrian Peterson (a once-in-a-decade type of RB) and Marshawn Lynch.

‘Nuff said…

Big Ray

February 15th, 2013
3:31 am

Meant to say that Alfred Morris doesn’t have noticeably “overwhelming” power. He runs hard, but not as much of a beast as Lynch or even Frank Gore, in my opinion.

BTW, read the above link to its conclusion. Some interesting observations by Campbell, though I don’t agree with all of them.

marko

February 15th, 2013
6:09 am

Most the mock drafts are all over the place when it comes to selecting a player for the Falcons. that’s pretty normal for this time of year. If there’s any consensus, in the mocking universe, It’s that the Falcons will go tight end or defensive end. I don’t see it in the cards. First, having come so close this year, I strongly expect Tony to change his mind, and even if he doesn’t, I’d be surprised to see the birds go tight end that early. Defensive end makes more sense, but by the time the Falcons pick the best should be history.

I’m sticking with defensive tackle. Against the 49ers we couldn’t rush the passer or stop the runs inside the red zone. Can you believe somebody casually strolling into our end zone, standing up, from nine yards out? If you really want to help out the linebackers, and the outside rushers, for god’s sake tighten up our flabby middle.

CBS’s Bob Rang thinks the Falcons should Pick Oregon’s Dion Jordan(DE). His co-worker, Dan Brugler, suggest we go with Stanford’s Zach Ertz. I don’t see either as horrible choices , but I think that we’d be making a very serious mistake if we left a Jessie Williams sitting on the board and took either one of these guys. Of the two picks picks Jordan fills the the greater need, but he’s viewed as a bit of a project. Williams is already ready to report for duty.

[...] News here – Atlanta Falcons: The Cage ← Atlanta Weather | Thursday Evening Forecast Cancel [...]

Birdman

February 15th, 2013
9:32 am

Birdman

February 15th, 2013
9:39 am

Ken Strickland

February 15th, 2013
9:48 am

I’m just not sold on resigning LT SBaker. He had a good season and showed what he’s capable of when healthy. But can he and his back issues be counted on to continue to remain healthy & productive? I’d much rather resign Svitek, move him to RT, Clabo to RG, and start Holmes at LT. That would be a cheaper and safer move.

I wonder why Gonzo is refusing to reveal whether he still intends to retire. It’s certainly not because he wants to hold the team hostage for any reason. Could it be that he & TD are in the process of working things out to insure his return, and they don’t want to announce anything until every detail has been worked out? At this point, he might be closer to 95% than 5%.

His return would either allow us to draft his replacement in a lower rd, or wait until next yr. Either way, we shouldn’t overlook the CCoffman possibility, which every sports writer seems to be doing in determing who we’ll draft 1st or 2nd.

I see us bringing in 1 major FA. Will it be a starting DE, RG, or TE? How many TEs will be available when we pick in the 2nd rd that can offer more than CCoffman, who’s already on the roster? I’m all for drafting a pass rushing LB with our 1st pick. It would help solve our LB & pass rushing issues simultaneously.

Bierman has been a decent starting DE. We need to decide which of our other DEs, out of Massaquoi, Sidbury & Mathews, is the best candidate to be groomed as a pass rushing specialist. Something is very wrong when we have the NFLs top active pass rusher in career sacks as a mentor, and we can’t come up with one out of 4 young DEs that’s effective at rushing he passer.

With the quickness & athleticism of Mathews, Sidbury & Massaquoi, it’s hard to believe it’s due to a lack of ability. It’s hard to develop pass rushing skills while buried on Special teams & getting very limited to no gm snaps. We need to start making committments to these young players rather than excuses.

And that committment starts with giving each DE a chance to play in gm situations where their talents & abilities are needed, like 3rd down passing situations. Hell, we did it for 1.5yrs with REdwards with no measureable results. It’s time to take a chance on the future & roll the dice.

We need to do this even if we decide to draft a DE with our 1st pick. That pick would actually represent JAbrahams replacement rather than a compliment to him at LDE. We’ll still need a starting LDE once Abe is gone or becomes injuried.

SeminoleWarrior

February 15th, 2013
9:48 am

Good Friday Morning Cage,

Just to get things started, let me go back to the previous block (offense) for a moment. First, thanks for the kind thoughts about the TeePee’s suggestion that RW84 move to the slot and Drew Davis be given the chance to blossom and play the outside WR position opposite JJ11. I truly feel that Davis and Coffman could be very effective in this scheme and it would definately get us younger and more dynamic going forward. Key point – going forward.

Which brings me to my next point. The TG88 saga.

Let me be clear. I love what TG88 has done for the Falcons. I REALLY love to look closely at October (if you have not had the pleasure, you MISSED one of life’s best moments). TG88 has been the ultimate pro, a locker room presence that few can match, and a source of reliance for MR2. I am anxious to stand before his bust one day when I visit Canton.

But, IMHO, it is time for the Falcons to move on. If the TE of the future is, as we are lead to believe, on the roster now, WHY are we stalling in making sure that the young man is in fact THE FUTURE. Why, given the apparent issues we have with a salary cap that is close to being maxed out, with the CLEAR need to make adjustments on defense, fix the defense, strengthen the defense; why are we going to take CRITICALLY needed money and retain TG88. If the team was uner the cap in the way some other teams are (Tampa, Miami), I would be all for this. But there are GREATER needs to be filled.

Sure, I hear all the chatter about releasing Turner, Abe, Babs, Robinson, etc. In several cases, I am on board. But it appears that the move to retain TG88 is more about appeasing the fan base given that we are, IMHO, going to be forced to make some very unpopular and hard choices.

TG88 is an asset. No denial on that point. But he is also not a defensive player. It was the shortcomings in defensive scheme, MORE THAN ANYTHING, that failed the Falcons in the playoffs. Say what you will about turnovers and the like but the INABILITY to contain and cover the middle of the field, the intermediate routes, and tight ends CRUSHED the Atlanta Falcons. That is simple fact.
And there is nothing, NOTHING, that retaining TG88 can do to correct that situation.

Move on. Let the TE of the future ascend to his place. And let’s place TG88 in his place in Falcons history. The TeePee says thanks to TG88 and continues to adore October.

Birdman

February 15th, 2013
9:50 am

SeminoleWarrior

February 15th, 2013
9:54 am

Curious nugget.

Alabama is supposedly considering offering its OL coaching job to Pat Hill. Hill has connections to Saban and hold Saban in very high regard; a bond and connection that goes back to the ’90s. Keep an eye on this. Things could get interesting if he decides to go.

The TeePee certainly hopes (and feels) that he will remain in ATL.

Birdman

February 15th, 2013
10:08 am

SW

Call me crazy and I do agree with your post about our TE . But it would not surprise me if Tony G were once again in a Falcon uniform this up and coming season . If so I still think that there will be one picked up in the draft ( if a good one is available ) and put under his wing . I just have a feeling tho that TG may be back for a few reasons
One . To have one more chance at that Ring and the What if’s in his mind
Two . A Media thing . Like Ray Lewis had . Which may go a long way for the team
Three . He is still a top 5 TE in the NFL and healthy

Just some thoughts that are in my head 84 brother.

SeminoleWarrior

February 15th, 2013
10:09 am

K Strick

I can understand where you are coming from. As you recall, we were once on opposite sides of the debate when it came to Lamar Holmes. I admitted that it was more a personal pride thing, wanting one of my Seminoles in the mix. I have come around though and want to see what the young man can do at tackle.

However, I want to see what he can do at the RIGHT tackle position. First, it would allow us to move Clabo inside, providing a veteran presence as well as stability for that critical right guard position.
Second, assuming the tackle position would give Holmes the opportunity to grow in the system and discover what his true capabilities are. How effective is he in pass coverage? What is his skill set in run blocking? Sure, he is big. But there is so much we do not know about him.

I would like to see a battle between Holmes and Reynolds at right tackle. Two young lions, getting a chance to show “natural” abilty at their true position, tackle. That is what the TeePee wants.

I think that Baker will return at left tackle. He played well this past season and like you, if he is truly healthy for the first time in a long time, he is worth the re-sign. And he will come cheap. Svitek adds depth and should be retained.

No OL players on the TeePee radar at this time but that could change after the staff and I return from Indy and the Combine.

SeminoleWarrior

February 15th, 2013
10:13 am

Birdman, I can see where each point made has merit. And right now, PR is the name of the game with the Falcons.

They are catching hell from several fronts. Fans are upset that we came up short in the title game. Fans are upset about this stadium proposal. So the Falcons need to get the fans fired up again. My season ticket rep told me that renewals were slower this season than this time last year. If that is the case, and the unrest is like most sense, they need to energize the base.

TG88 does that with ease. All Falcon fans can easily rally around him because he is class of the highest order. And October is grace of unparallelled measure.

Paddy O

February 15th, 2013
10:24 am

We did a good job against Wilson – using Nicholas as a spy/ containment guy. The failure was, they simply handed off. We really needed a “trailer” for the spy – so when the QB handed off, there was somebody to maintain gap integrity. I’d really prefer us to collect MORE S/CB guys – with fast TE’s like Vernon Davis, the average LB won’t be able to cover him. I m exceptionally happy that SW is advocating for 2 LB’s in this draft. And, I still think we switch more to 3-4 – thus, the 1st Rd guy MUST be a gigantic nose tackle. Then, LB, RB, LB again, then S and CB. We really do need a super fast RB who can leap and catch passes – he would become our kick returner. I think we really should have kept Jenkins – he would have been the perfect slot receiver.

Paddy O

February 15th, 2013
10:26 am

SW – if the Falcons fund 100% of a new stadium – they can do it anytime and anywhere. It THAT fashion, the Falcons would actually be paying PROPERTY TAX on their stadium. that is a good benefit for any local gov’t. If public funding – zero state funding. If the local gov’t is that desperate, let them fund it. Gwinnett is having problems now paying off their minor league stadium.

Paddy O

February 15th, 2013
10:28 am

Tony G is the best option at TE. If he comes back, no brainer – you keep him and keep your offense flying.

Paddy O

February 15th, 2013
10:30 am

We have quite a few guys who could play S – Dunta and Chris owens come to mind – Owens appears to be the fastest guy on the team. I’d really love to replace Decoud – or use Decoud as the nickel guy. HOwever you slice it,we are weak in depth at S/CB.

SeminoleWarrior

February 15th, 2013
10:37 am

Paddy O

Thanks. I think that the two linebacker solution is critical. We need both a new starter somewhere in the mix as well as improved depth at the position. Here is what we have right now; Weatherspoon, Dent, Nicholas, Peterson, and James. For the sake of discussion, we will ignor the last two. Pete is past his prime, offering nothing more than leadership at this time. And James, well, if he has not cracked the lineup by now, at least at WLB, what the hell are we holding on to him for.

The two guys that the TeePee has extensively watched and evaluated are Chase Thomas and Khaseem Greene. I love them both!! Sure they have a few flaws to their games BUT they could be major upgrades to the linebacker corps. But first and foremost, we need to find a QUALITY LB coach for the Falcons. Glenn Pires sucks!! Plain and simple. Our LBs seems undisciplined, out of position too darn much, and significantly inferior in zone reads and coverage.

Thomas and Greene are playmakers. Both have better coverage skills than any linebacker on the squad not named Weatherspoon. Both are very solid against the rush. Both are quality blitzers. Greene could come in and start TODAY at WLB and be a force.

I am as sold on Greene and Thomas as I was on Mason Foster a few years back and they are just a level below what I held for Spoon when I lead the cries for his selection a few years back.

Another nugget that the TeePee is looking at with Greene is that he is a converted safety that moved to the OLB position. So he TRULY understands coverage and if we were to lose more, then it is a very strong possibility that we could move him back to the SS position where he excelled before his shift to WLB at Rutgers.

Birdman

February 15th, 2013
10:43 am

Let Grimes go and keep Moore

SeminoleWarrior

February 15th, 2013
10:46 am

Another experiment that I would like.

What if I could give the Falcons a 6′2, 195 pounds physical cornerback? He, at times has been a ball hawk, but is a little stuck on himself. When focused, he can ball but keeping that focus can be an issue at times. And what if I told you he is ALREADY on the roster?

After watching Richard Sherman of the Seahawks, I came to the conclusion that we have a similiar talent on the Falcons that I think could be effective at cornerback IF the Falcons were bold enough to move him there. Thomas DeCoud.

DeCoud has played each position in the secondary and I think he could make the transition. He is bigger than either Robinson or Samuel and just as physical. And he is solid against the run.

What do we have to loose? And he is already under contract for MUCH less than either Samuel, Grimes, or Robinson (younger too).

This move also allows us to get Charles Mitchell on the field at the free safety position ahead of schedule where I think he could be an asset. And again, adding Greene in the draft will give us the chance to move him back to either saety position where he has a resume.

SeminoleWarrior

February 15th, 2013
10:48 am

I would love to keep Moore…no doubt about that. But I want to get more physical in the secondary and improve coverage skills. The same is my policy with the linebackers.

Unca' Bob

February 15th, 2013
10:48 am

SeminoleWarrior,

I’ve had my eye on K Greene as well. A fomer Safety, with good foot speed and peddle he could be a play maker at the SAM. Very able to cover TE’s and has no fear when making a tackle.

Birdman

February 15th, 2013
10:48 am

SeminoleWarrior

February 15th, 2013
10:53 am

My proposal would also allow the flexibility to move Moore from SS to FS, where he excelled at Mizzou, and then plug the run stuffing Mitchell into the SS position.

SeminoleWarrior

February 15th, 2013
10:56 am

UB,

I love Greene. He is a player and a first class kid. He is a lock on mny draft board. And I agree, he could be a factor at SLB or WLB.

Birdman

February 15th, 2013
11:00 am

SeminoleWarrior

February 15th, 2013
11:21 am

Ohh my US84 brother……

Birdman, this is EXACTLY one of the scenarios we saw last year when we started talking about future cap hell.

Weatherspoon is an emerging star and he will soon command IMMEDIATE attention. He is a fiercely loyal and I do not think he would hold out. But the Falcons have to get a deal done sooner rather than later.

As I stated this time last year, the Falcons blew it last year when they did not initiate the move to lock up MR2 long term. I know he still had two years on his deal but this season really raised his stock. And imagine what he would command if he had won the NFC title or the Super Bowl. Dude is a winner no matter what the asses on NFL Network and ESPN say. He and Bart are the BEST QBs that have ever, EVER worn Falcon colors….period!!

One more for you to look ahead too. And he is going to get his as well. Julio Jones. His new deal is going to be a damned good one. Trust me….he CAN not be allowed to even sniff free agency!!

SeminoleWarrior

February 15th, 2013
11:23 am

But this leads me back to my disconnect premise. With the future of your team coming into focus as far as long term deal negotiations, why are we still holding on to excessive contracts and seeking to retain veterans when it is clear that the future rests in the young studs we have in Jones, Ryan, and Weatherspoon.

Somebody better recognize…..

Birdman

February 15th, 2013
11:27 am

Amen to that .SW

SeminoleWarrior

February 15th, 2013
11:27 am

Weatherspoon: He signed a five-year contract worth $17.5 million on July 29, 2010

Jones came to terms with the Falcons on July 28, 2011, signing a four-year contract worth $16.2 million, all of which was guaranteed.

Ryan: Signed a six-year contract on May 20, 2008. The contract had an overall value of $72 million and contained $34.75 million in guaranteed money.

SeminoleWarrior

February 15th, 2013
11:30 am

Tell me..if this does not make you nervous, what does?

Who do you tag if it comes to that point? Weatherspoon or Jones.

Again, somebody better recognize and stop worrying about that damned stadium!!

Birdman

February 15th, 2013
11:31 am

What kind of Money do you think the Spoon will be looking to get SW

Birdman

February 15th, 2013
11:35 am

Yeh I agree what good is a stadium without these kind of players to help fill the dang thing

It’s like a Church the people are the Church not the Building

SeminoleWarrior

February 15th, 2013
11:36 am

Birdman,

I am projecting something in the area of five or six year, 45-60 million for both Spoon and JJ11. Both will be guaranteed at least 50% of their respective deals.

Birdman

February 15th, 2013
11:37 am

SeminoleWarrior

February 15th, 2013
11:44 am

No problem my brother.

Birdman

February 15th, 2013
11:48 am

Well its time to go do my honey do’s . While on my week off . Sweet gum balls in the yard . I hate sweet gum balls .

But I am blessed to have them . Cage have a blessed day !!

Be back later on

SeminoleWarrior

February 15th, 2013
11:48 am

Excuse me Cage while my brother and I reflect…..

Birdman, speaking of US 84, how about the history made in my beloved Thomasville this week.

After 100 years, the proud football tradition that is Thomasville High School, one of the winningest progams in the state of Georgia, has finally hired a minority head football coach. Birdman, you know how important football is down south, especially along US Highway 84. This moment is truly one that is best described in the following..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbO2_077ixs

SeminoleWarrior

February 15th, 2013
11:49 am

Later, my brother. See you on the other side.

Birdman

February 15th, 2013
12:01 pm

SW

I had one last look before I took on my task in the yard.

I am so proud of this move . I wish him and I Pray he has a super carrier .

We are ALL the same in the eye’s of the one who matter’s most.

One Nation Under GOD !!!

Thanks Seminole Warrior .

SeminoleWarrior

February 15th, 2013
12:10 pm

No problem. As you know, along 84, we are one!!

SeminoleWarrior

February 15th, 2013
12:52 pm

SW – if the Falcons fund 100% of a new stadium – they can do it anytime and anywhere. It THAT fashion, the Falcons would actually be paying PROPERTY TAX on their stadium. that is a good benefit for any local gov’t. If public funding – zero state funding. If the local gov’t is that desperate, let them fund it. Gwinnett is having problems now paying off their minor league stadium….Paddy O

Totally agree with you. Mayor Reed can talk all the smack he wants to about this deal but it is not in the best interest of core ATL. I think Schultz summarized it best over in his latest posting..

These so-called projected revenues from all these taxes have never materialized and they never will. If they had, Washington and ATL would have had balanced budgets a long time ago and cuts would not be needed to critical entities like education, health care, and public safety.

SeminoleWarrior

February 15th, 2013
12:57 pm

Breaking right early. A critical meeting today on what could possibly happen to us federal employee as this sequester proposal moves closer to the March 1st deadline.

Looks like Congress and Barack Bush/George Obama are going to do it to us all. Heed this warning though….

Today, it is federal employees and the Department of Defense. But trust me, the tide is going to shift and when it does, look out. Pain….pain will be felt.

See you all on the other side.

Wings

February 15th, 2013
1:04 pm

SW – “But this leads me back to my disconnect premise. With the future of your team coming into focus as far as long term deal negotiations, why are we still holding on to excessive contracts and seeking to retain veterans when it is clear that the future rests in the young studs we have in Jones, Ryan, and Weatherspoon.

Somebody better recognize…..”

EXACTLY SW!!! REALITY is getting ready to KNOCK on the door of the CFA.

We have not been able to advance to the Super Bowl with them in past years so how can the FO believe they can play better with them in 2013.

Fan from '66

February 15th, 2013
2:04 pm

Two things are required for the falcons to have a reasonable chance to be successful in 2013. We must have a dependable third down (and red zone) receiver who you know will get open and catch the ball to replace Gonzo. It doesn’t have to be a tight end, it could be a slot receiver, not Harry Douglas, but possibly Kerry Meir or someone like Danny Amenola (sp). That could be the biggest difference in winning or losing three or four close games next season secondly, We must improve the pass rush on defense. That will be the hardest thing to accomplish. Our defensive line is so lacking in pass rushing talent that it may take several years to significantly improve through the draft due to our late draft position. Unfortunately, we are so strapped with dead money owing to signing bonuses owed to free agents that we signed who are not contributing as expected that we can’t be players in the free agent market. Edwards, Turner and Robinson eat up close to 10 million dollars in garaunteed bonus money that could have been used to get help. That does no count salaries. Turner and Robinson are not worth keeping at their present salaries, but even if cut as they should be, they will continue to hurt us financially. After this year Turner’s signing bonus money ends. I am not sure about the other two. Since we can’t get the top free agents that would help us leap that final hurdle to the super bowl, it is absolutely necessary that we draft the best available players and not make any mistakes in drafting or free agency, in order to keep this aging team from falling off the wall in a year or two like San Fran did a decade ago. We have a top notch quarterback for at least the next five years and if we can build a solid defense and keep our offense in tact we can be competitive throughout that time. If we just try to fill immediate needs through high draft choices instead of getting the best players available, we risk becoming a mediocre team for many years again. If a top notch defensive player is available when we pick we should take him. If not, then taking a top rated tight end, running back or offensive lineman, whichever is the best player would make sense. We must keep replenishing this team with top talent through the draft and hope to fill current needs while doing so, but streesing talent or immediate needs. That is the only way to remain competitive in the long run.

Ken Strickland

February 15th, 2013
3:51 pm

SEMINOLE WARRIOR-With so little OT depth, we are almost forced to resign Svitek. After all, we have former OT GReynolds playing OG & former OG MJohnson playing OT. We also have former OCs Konz & Hawley playing OG as well. That’s not cross training, that’s just plain rediculous to me.

Do you realize we have former OTs Blalock & Reynolds, former OCs Hawley & Konz, plus Manley & Jackson playing OG while former OG Johnson is our only backup OT. How can we still have issues at RG with 6 candidates to choose from & only 2 backups at OT(Holmes & Johnson).

There’s something seriously wrong with this picture. With the documented injury problems Baker’s had throughout his career, we definitely need a starting caliber LT candidate like Svitek on the roster.

Big Ray

February 15th, 2013
4:09 pm

I actually think the pursuit of Tony G is more about a certain HC and starting QB than it is about the fan base. Seriously.

Tony G is a near infallible security blanket (and still a matchup problem for most teams). Ryan would hate to lose that, but you have to grow and move on. That applies to Ryan (and Smitty) as much as it does to anyone else. More so, in fact.

It doesn’t help that Ryan probably doesn’t trust HD and is still not quite there with Julio (but we’re so close with that relationship). So basically, he has to continue trusting Quizz (who is earning it) and then find someone else to trust. Chase Coffman and Drew Davis are guys who are going to have to earn it, but guess what? Ryan has to give it at the same time.

Grow up and move on. It’s not about what do you have to do to keep TG…it’s about what are you going to do to stay strong and get even better if he doesn’t come back? That should be the true focus…but I fear that it is not. I hope my fear is misplaced.

Matty Bicep

February 15th, 2013
5:29 pm

BR, now, you accuse me of saying stuff that is “out there”….c’mon man!

Knew Money

February 15th, 2013
6:22 pm

How about signing Dwight Freeny to rent for 1 year

The Burner Turner

February 15th, 2013
8:31 pm

I am just glad my name hasnt come up. Oh this is defense. Yeh our defense sucked. Cap space map space, give me my 10 million doe next year and just watch me bowling ball through another season. They say I am slow now … NO !… They say I have lost a step …NO ! They say I cant push away form the cheeseburgers and flap jacks…. well that one is kinda true. But did you know that my thighs went from 37 inchs around to 45 inchs around. That didnt come from no leg lifts my brothers. Team will show getting a tight end to fake out league and then go with the best defensive end available. Sure hope Green Bay taks Lacy from Alabama, because if he falls my goose could be cooked. Speaking of goose, I am going to have a whole goose with all the trimmings for breakfast. Mom in town and got to put the feed bag on while I can. They got these weight rules during offseason that you aint supposed to gain over 10 lbs. I am over 20 right now, but think I can lose it before conract signing comes around. My hands were bricks this year, but that dont mean I cant come back and burn again. Just throw me the damn ball in space. I will churn out some yards with these thighs. One time this season I ran and felt like I hit a brick wall only to look up and it was Jerrys wide ars I hit. Knocked me down. Clear the way and the Burner lives. Sign me now or I will have to retire to the farm and fish the rest of my life. Cant wait for lunch tommorrow. I got something special on order. A turkey dinner with all the trimmings. Hey stop by and say hey….. Look me up… and bring me some damn cheeseburgers……

The Burner Turner

Screen Pass

February 15th, 2013
8:37 pm

“That said, perhaps we should start taking serious looks at guys who are not currently ranked in the top 5-7 prospect names at the moment. You never know where you could find your Alfred Morris or other talented RB that can really help your team. ” – BR

Good article and good read. It is nice to see someone finally breakdown the difference in running styles. I don’t agree with some of his thoughts but overall a nice piece to whet the appetite. I agree we need to be looking at the backend to see if there is a tremendous difference in capability. The RB position is so undervalued now I would hate for us to go too early and end up paying a premium for mediocrity. Your point about how teams use thier RB is on point, a lesson I hope “Cabbie” figures out. We are all assuming a certain person is gone…they aren’t yet yikes!!

Ken Strickland

February 15th, 2013
8:47 pm

The only real knock of Coffman has been his injury issues. In this OFF and with MRyan as his QB, he could be just as effective as Gonzo, only in a slightly different way. Gonzo did an excellent job of making himself available in the intermediate gm and in the redzone. He didn’t do very much on YAC.

That’s were Coffman would be an asset. With him being younger, faster & probably more athletic than Gonzo at this point, he might not catch as many passes, but he’d likely gain more YAC and yds overall. A yr of watching and learning from Gonzo should have a tremendously positive effect on Coffman.

Like I’ve said, we can’t honestly say there’ll be a TE available when we pick in he 2nd rd that will be a better prospect than Coffman? Our 1st rd pick should be used for DEF, especially LB or DE. We don’t really need to use any of our 1st 3-4 picks on OFF.

scott anderson

February 15th, 2013
8:52 pm

On Friday, the team made it official by issuing a statement saying it would not re-sign Freeney, the Colts’ career sacks leader, or Collie, a key player in their second Super Bowl run since moving to Indy. Both will now become unrestricted free agents.

”Sadly, Dwight and Horseshoe parting ways,” team owner Jim Irsay wrote on Twitter after the team confirmed the moves.

It’s the second straight year Indy’s offseason has started with the departure of some familiar faces and fan favorites.

Last year, the Colts released four-time MVP Peyton Manning in early March. A few days later, they cut running back Joseph Addai, linebacker Gary Brackett, safety Melvin Bullitt and tight end Dallas Clark. Right tackle Ryan Diem retired and a handful of players including receiver Pierre Garcon and center Jeff Saturday left in free agency. It looked like the Colts might also lose Pro Bowlers Robert Mathis and Reggie Wayne, too, but Indy re-signed both players and both again made the Pro Bowl team in 2012.

Indy then drafted Andrew Luck and two tight ends and a receiver in the first three rounds, signed free agents Donnie Avery, Winston Justice and Samson Satele and found enough replacements to post an 11-5 mark and return to the playoffs.

CIRCLE THE DATE
Now that the regular season is over, here’s what NFL fans have to look forward to.

The moves left the Colts with little salary cap room last season. With the Colts projected to have more than $40 million available under the cap when free agency opens in a couple of weeks, the decisions this time had nothing to do with money.

Freeney turns 33 next week, has seen his sacks totals decline each of the past three years, counted more than $17 million against the cap last season and never seemed comfortable after moving from a 4-3 defensive end, where he spent his first 10 NFL seasons, to a 3-4 outside linebacker.
……………………………………………………………

Falcons need to take some lessons from the Colts. Get rid of the old folks like Abraham and Turner and Dunta too.

Bring in the new blood . The Falcons MO is to sign Freeney to a big contract guaranteed. Its just stupid. Clean house Falcons . Dont be scaaareedddd……..

Ken Strickland

February 15th, 2013
9:06 pm

SCREEN PASS-All one has to do is take a look at the AINTS/TAINTS and how they traded up in the 1st rd to draft a RB that hasn’t come close to cracking the starting lineup. This is a new day for the Falcons OFF, especially for it’s passing OFF.

It’s about time for Smitty, and a lot of others, to realize we no longer need a power RB to move the chains. In fact, one of the NFL shortest and smallest RBs(JRogers)moved the chains better than one of its biggest(MTurner). I’d trust Rogers in a short yardage situation over MTurner any day of the week.

Continuing to use Turner in failed short yardage situations is all Smitty’s doing. We all know Koetter isn’t afraid to heavily utilize a smaller shorter RB in any situation. Having a TE that can stretch the field will allow plenty of room for Snelling, Rogers or Smith to work underneath where Gonzo earned his keep.

Big Ray

February 15th, 2013
11:40 pm

BR, now, you accuse me of saying stuff that is “out there”….c’mon man!

Don’t know what you’re talking about and not interested in arguing about it. In fact, I don’t recall saying anything to you beyond an observation that Alfred Morris was slept on til the 6th round (I incorrectly said 7th round initially) and that whatever conceivable reasons for that were misplaced.

I know that as Smitty’s Lawyer your job is to be touchy about anything that might impugn the righteous dignity of yonder white-haired wise man, but I cannot imagine what my unholy transgression was THIS time.

Moving on…

Big Ray

February 15th, 2013
11:49 pm

Slant Pattern ,

The beareded reptiles bid me offer up that nugget in the hopes of summoning you from the mists…

I am glad to see it work. You were OFF THE CHAIN with this very sort of thing last year. Can’t wait to see you crank it up again.

marko

February 16th, 2013
9:08 am

Margus Hunt, SMU DE is from Estonia, I find him an intriguing prospect. 6’ 7” tall, and 277 pounds. By Estonian standards, that would make him a mid size model. He’s a world champion in both the discus, and the shot put. He came to Texas, to hone his track and field skills, only to find that the program had been discontinued. Rather than pack up and move again, he decided that he’d give this American football thing a fling. Evidently he’s pretty good at it because he currently holds a second round grade. 277 pounds makes Margus a big boy, but if you look at the kid he’s downright skinny. If somebody introduced him to a real NFL strength and conditioning program, and taught him how to play football, I suspect he could become an absolute beast.

I don’t see much of chance that he’ll be running around with a falcon on his helmet because he’s considered an early second rounder. The last time I looked , we pick at the end of every stinking round. We have to be nice and let the little kids go in front of us. I predicted that Thomas would move up in the first round, not my idea mind you, it’s just that watching him over the last six years, that’s the way he rolls. Nonetheless, if the numeric grades I’m seeing are to be believed we can actually move back a little, and still get a really nice player.

Players like Kwame Geathers, and Margus Hunt will require a little patience, but they are both big and fast. you can’t coach big and fast, you pretty much have to be born that way. Both Margus ,and Kwame, are to be congratulated for wisely choosing their ancestors. If we are equally wise at selecting the recipients of ancestral gifts, we’re going to be gaining some weight on our defensive line.

Ken Strickland

February 16th, 2013
9:27 am

In reading various articles it was said several times that the Falcons want to maintain as much OL continuity as possible. If that’s he case, maybe all of these comments about Konz being moved to OC is premature. Keeping him at RG, replacing McClure with Hawley and resigning LT SBaker would limit our OL changes to 1.

If that’s the case, I’d much rather see Hawley at RG and Konz at OC. Hawley at RG wouldn’t be much of a change since he was our RG before Konz.

marko

February 16th, 2013
9:45 am

A few years back, Chase Coffman was a player I really wanted the Falcons to draft. He carried a second round grade, and I thought that the Bungles had outright stolen him in the third round. In college, he set records as a pass catching TE. There were concerns about his skills as a blocker. Since confirmed big time. Still after all these years, I’m surprised to find him a career practice squader. Like Tony G. he shares a background in basketball, and like the small forwards he physically resembles, he gets great separation from defenders. To me kicking him off the team because he doesn’t block so good is tantamount to kicking Angelina Jolie out of the sack for the egregious consumption of crackers.

marko

February 16th, 2013
9:59 am

KS, I have concerns about Hawley winding up on the wrong side of the leagues banned substance policy. We’ve all seen him perform at a pretty high level, but how much of that was Hawley, and how much was banned substance. If you’re going to cheat, it’s important not to get caught because from now on you’re going to be watched very carefully. I remember Tony Mandarich, former Packer first rounder, On steroids he was an absolute monster. Without them, she didn’t play so good.

Ken Strickland

February 16th, 2013
11:29 am

http://www.thefalcoholic.com/2013/2/16/3992002/the-top-6-roster-needs-for-the-atlanta-falcons-in-2013

CAGERS-Here’s a very interesting read on what the Falcons need to fill definite needs and become a SB participant. I’d like to know what you think about it.

falcon21

February 16th, 2013
11:56 am

Nice read Ken, the article is pretty much on target. As for DB’s, keep Owens and let Grimes and Franks walk.

Birdman

February 16th, 2013
12:45 pm

Nice read Ken

Pretty much what everyone is saying in the Cage. What he did not mention was W Moore . And also what the Birds intend to do with the Money they have available as far as cap space. I know he mentioned a few names but that’s not the full of it .

As SW said a lot to look at With resigning this year and next . Big Contracts on the way !!!!

I’ve said before the late pick may help them this year. As far as a look to see Who is left for round 2 and trades could be made to get a better player and earlier pick . Just a thought. .

PlanB

February 16th, 2013
1:26 pm

Based on 10 yds. from the SB and Def needing more help than Off.
My thoughts (by using some of the ideas already expressed) are to use the 1st three picks on a huge DT and 2 LB’s. Moving to more 3-4 formations we need the big guy at NT and better pass rushing/coverage guys at LB. Being a little weak at LB I don’t know why we let Spencer Adkins go. He started a couple games in 2011 and played pretty well. Good speed and size.
WE only have so many picks so I think we need to stay away from drafting players where we are adaquate at least in the early rounds. We still have MT’s bonus $ to pay so why not keep him as 3rd RB and late game runner. Start Quizz and let WPP Snelling play alot. Bring RB Antone Smith out of WPP and use him or get rid of him.
At TE, I hope Tony stays but give Coffman & Palmer the load if he doesn’t. Jimmy Graham was a 3rd round pick. Hate to waste a 1st round on that position. Maybe next yr if Coffman doesn’t work out
CB’s OK and like someones idea (SW I believe) of DeCoud at CB if it works out. Mitchell being the SS and Moore at FS if hopefully re-signed. Sid – 4 sacks 2011 in limited play – 2012 WPP.
TD has had many picks on OL and DL and neither of the lines are what I call good. 2012 OL adaquate DL not less than adaquate. I think M Nolan will help make TD’s picks a little better this year.
And last, why do so many OL’s play out of position? Konz & Hawley at guard not center. Clabo at tackle not guard. Reynolds at guard not tackle

marko

February 16th, 2013
1:26 pm

KS, I read the article, and came away wondering where the beef was. with the exception of Walker, all of DT’s are south of 300 pounds. I see this a factor to our being pushed around late in games. Smaller linemen going up against bigger linemen tend to lose their natural advantage in quickness. After 3 plus quarters they aren’t quick anymore. Just small. Smitty has been a perennial coach of the year candidate from day one, but it’s obvious that our small quick line isn’t feeding the bulldog. Peria Jerry’s a free agent. At 294 pounds, he’s the smallest tackle we have. I see no reason on earth we should bother to resign him. I’d be very happy to see Johnathan Jenkins fall into our laps. He’s as least as quick as Peters , and he out weighs him by nearly sixty pounds. If he centers our line, our ends and backers are going to show a noticeable improvement.

Sportaree

February 16th, 2013
6:29 pm

B-day today 59 years, now if some of you really old farts would miss a few, I know most of you, I would soon catch up.

JB Falcon

February 16th, 2013
6:52 pm

Sportaree, all of you youngun’s still count BD’s. BTW, Happy Birthday! The calendar says we have to get older but no one says we have to grow up. If you still have your health, Damn the Torpedoes!

Rock

February 16th, 2013
7:16 pm

Sportaree, Happy Birthday young man! I’ll never forget some advice I got from a gf step dad while in my 20’s. Enjoy your youth because youll wake up one day and 20yrs will be gone. I’m 47 starring at the big 50 coming my way, lol.

On a falcons note, love D3’s and all you cagers comments. WE have the most educated football “smarts” than all the other blogs cobined. Just finished reading smults “why not reggie” bs of an article and his bloggers. Read it for the comics if you wish but his bloggers are pushing RB/TE as our greatest needs in thefirst 2 rds. Really?

Tks to all the great college draft gurus/rsearchers (SW/BR and many more) , heres my draft manifesto: (and we CANNOT afford to miss on any pic especially this yr so bpa!)
Rd 1 – DT
Rd 2 – LB
Rd 3 – RB
Rd 4 – DE//LB
everyone else is in wpp so I wont bother.

Sportaree

February 16th, 2013
7:19 pm

Thanks JB, I knew if the right bait was thrown out one of you oldtimers would bite!

JJ

February 16th, 2013
7:21 pm

Rock, change my name back after you post on the dogs gone wild site, geez!
Lookin at replacing you with some bearded lizards!!!

JJ

February 16th, 2013
7:24 pm

“combined”, always forget to proofread.

Elvis

February 16th, 2013
7:26 pm

Yo, Rock. I think I’d switch 3 & 4. I’ll go over to smults blog and gather more knowledge.

JJ

February 16th, 2013
7:29 pm

JB, glad to see you out from under the rug, lol. Get him elvis!!!

JB Falcon

February 16th, 2013
7:30 pm

Sportaree, some fish take the bait knowing there’s a hook in it, just for the hell of it!

Sportaree

February 16th, 2013
7:46 pm

JJ, Thanks I thought that was you using Rocks handle, and speaking of rock, is that sheetrock dust in your hair or just a little gray?

JJ

February 16th, 2013
7:58 pm

Sportaree,
Both and what the hell with all the nose/ear hair growth going on? lol

falcon21

February 16th, 2013
8:08 pm

Happy Birthday Sportaree, I hope you have had a great one!

JB Falcon

February 16th, 2013
8:12 pm

Just read JS’s shallow post. He did some research but I related it to sending my wife to the mall with an unlimited credit card.

JB Falcon

February 16th, 2013
9:38 pm

Well. I guess I’ll be marko at 1:26 this afternoon when the blog went dead, “The blog killer!” Anyway, not a lot of football going on and I am looking forward to the combine. I’m going to stick with JJ on my wishes.
Rd 1 – DT
Rd 2 – LB
Rd 3 – RB
Rd 4 – DE//LB
Except my dog told me to switch 3 & 4. I often wonder how he knows when someone is coming to see us and starts barking befor they get here.
BR must be off tonight or it isn’t time for him to go to work. SW is probably predicting weather somewhere and UB is probably asleep. Don’t know about Paddy O.
Sportaree, one thing about getting old, Saturday nights ain’t what they used to be! I used to watch Johnny Carson and go to be at 1 am but am going to bed now. (UB) Nytol.

Big Ray

February 16th, 2013
9:51 pm

Happy Birthday, Sportaree .

Big Ray

February 16th, 2013
9:51 pm

JB ,

The flu (or something like it) is kickin’ my 296 lb ass tonight. Has been for a few days. I’ll get back at the wheel after a while.

JB Falcon

February 16th, 2013
10:43 pm

Big Ray, I guess I was lying about the Nytol thing, had plans for tomorrow they feel through so I decided to see how long I can stay up. It ain’t working but I have to say when 296 lbs of human flesh gets sick, thats a lot of sick. Hang in there and get well soon!

Screen Pass

February 17th, 2013
5:41 am

“The beareded reptiles bid me offer up that nugget in the hopes of summoning you from the mists…

I am glad to see it work. You were OFF THE CHAIN with this very sort of thing last year. Can’t wait to see you crank it up again.” – BR

Thank you as always for the compliments, even if I remember people wanting to hang me from chains for my mock last year :) . I let the bearded ones do their thing last year and I believe I. Pead and M. Kendricks were the choices that came up. In hindsight, a speedy pass catching COP/ Scat back like I. Pead would have been ok but J.Quizz did so well I’ll just say it wouldn’t have been as big an impact pick as possible. The 4.4 speedy yet still large and versatile LB Kendricks was prolly the better call. I remember gettting flack and questions regarding this choice but after the playoff debacle I now see people calling for a LB that can cover. I think the bearded ones nailed this one…would Kendricks have really made a difference tho? I can’t say with a guarantee but a 4.4 LB on a 4.4 TE like the SF guy sounds better than what we showed up with.
I hope you feel better soon and Happy B-Day Sportatree!!

marko

February 17th, 2013
7:50 am

In 2001 the Pittsburgh Steelers played the 3-4 defense, and that was it. the once popular scheme was all but extinct. As we can see, It’s enjoying something or a resurgence. One of the reasons came as quite a surprise. In the age of the salary cap, it’s cheaper to run. The parts are cheaper. The one essential part to a good 3-4’s the nose tackle. Good ones are hard to come by, and they make the big bucks. The thing to keep in mind is that You’re investing money at only one position. A good 4-3, on the other hand, relies on quality defensive ends. They aren’t cheap, and you need two. You can sink a wad of cash into defensive ends , and still suck. Anybody remember Ray Edwards? I don’t expect the Falcons to completely abandon the 4-3, but I do think that they’ll Go more hybrid, and use both schemes.

I mentioned SMU’s Margus Hunt yesterday. I didn’t really see him as a serious player the Falcons would consider. I just thought that the Estonian giant was an interesting story, and I thought I’d share it with the cage crew. As I dug a little deeper, I found that Mel Kiper had tied Margus to the birds in one of his mocks. My first response was no way , too early. But then again, we’re dealing with Thomas here. If Thomas proved anything , by picking Lamar Holmes, it’s that he doesn’t use internet draft guides to select his players. If he thought that Margus was the best fit for us at 30, he’d pull the trigger, draft guides be damned

Birdman

February 17th, 2013
8:05 am

Sportaree

Sorry I missed it yesterday . Happy Belated Birthday!!!!

Not far away from that age myself . Just a few years . Seems like the years get faster each turn and we are all just one step away from the real beginning.

Big Ray

Get well soon brother . I’ve heard that you can starve a cold or flu . But don’t try that brother at 296 you could be sick for awhile LOL!!. But seriously I hope you get well soon man. .

bigslow

February 17th, 2013
8:32 am

Do U bring in Freeney to give Abe some help.

Joshua malavenda

February 17th, 2013
8:39 am

I was doing some draft research and Drafttek had star louteli fall all the way to 19 which brought up a question. Would falcons trade up for him? He would definely fit a need of the falcons to solidify the middle of the line. His versatility also could be used very well on Nolan’s hybrid defense. If the falcons gave up their first 3 picks this year for him I would be okay with that. What do you think cage?

I also wouldn’t be upset if they falcons traded back in the first round to get Alex okafor also
for a first pick next year
Both of those picks would solidly our dline for years to come. We would draft a rb with one of fourth round picks and a lb with the other 4throunder we have. We get a speedy slot /kr in the 5th and we get depth on defense for the rest of the picks. Just something to think about.

Sportaree

February 17th, 2013
8:58 am

bigslow,
Player personnel decisions, as far as def, will be determined after the team decides what the base D. will be 3-4 or 4-3. As for Freeney he is better suited as a 4-3 DE.

Joshua malavenda

February 17th, 2013
9:09 am

Sportaree- happy belated bday!
Big ray- hope you feel better

Sportaree

February 17th, 2013
9:28 am

Josh,Thanks.
Big Ray, I will say a prayer for you in Church this morning.

marko

February 17th, 2013
9:40 am

A quick comment on Orlando’s mock. He’s got us picking Tyler Eifert, TE, Notre something or another, Evidently a small school in the mid-west somewhere. This is where it gets rich. The very next player off the board’s Jonathan Hankins, DT, The University of Ohio State. A pretentious school somewhere in Ohio. He describes Hankins as a run stuffing tackle. I guess he could be described that way. By the same token, the Mona Lisa could be described as a painting by some Italian dude.

Joshua malavenda

February 17th, 2013
10:25 am

Every time somebody has us mocked for a te for our first round pick, I throw up in my mouth a little bit because our biggest need is on the defensive side of the ball.Good tight ends are available in the later rounds of the draft from players like joesph fauria, Travis kelcie, and Gavin Escobar. I don’t understand why People keep freaking out if gonzo retires he is great player don’t get me wrong but we use him as crutch on third downs and stops us from getting younger players on the field. If he left it would force dirk to be more creative on third downs and spread the offense out more.

Joshua malavenda

February 17th, 2013
10:31 am

Anyways I am pretty positive Gonzo is coming back for one last season for the chance to leave out like ray Lewis did this year.

Back to defense, if we did those trades that I was talking this is how are front line would look next year and we probably to cut peria to get to work out finically,

4-3 lde

Joshua malavenda

February 17th, 2013
10:42 am

Anyways I am pretty positive Gonzo is coming back for one last season for the chance to leave out like ray Lewis did this year.

Back to defense, if we did those trades that I was talking this is how are front line would look next year and we probably to cut peria to get to work out finically,

4-3 lde abrhams
rde okafor
Dt babs
Dt star
ILB spoon
Olb Nicholas
Olb bierman

3-4

Lde babs
Nt walker
Rde star

ILB spoon
Olb bierman
Olb mass
Olb okafor

Unca' Bob

February 17th, 2013
1:25 pm

Sportaree,

Sorry I missed your Birthday. I hope it was one for the ages.

Big Ray,

Get off your BOBA and get to feeling better, my friend.

Rock,

Great to hear from you ol’ Pooch. Not so much JJ..

Josh,

I’m going to temper my thoughts about the draft until we go through the free agent time frame. After that, I very well could throw some names out.

marko

February 17th, 2013
1:42 pm

Seminole, as our Tallahassee insider, can you share any thing you might know about Brandon Jenkins and Tank Carridine? I know that both are recovering from injuries, and it sounds like both are worth more than their current draft status suggest.

Joshua malavenda

February 17th, 2013
1:47 pm

Bob- fair enough

KlkDbjJxhTFxpt

February 17th, 2013
3:58 pm

627598 600815I like this post, enjoyed this one thanks for posting . 57786

Collen Fugere

February 17th, 2013
5:08 pm

Thanks for the info, I have added a bookmark.

Big Ray

February 17th, 2013
6:53 pm

Thanks for all the prayers and well wishes guys, much appreciated.

Unca Bob , you made me laugh until I coughed (ouch)….

Big Ray

February 17th, 2013
7:15 pm

http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2013positionreviewC.php

Interesting thoughts on ‘Bama’s Barrett Jones and Wisconsin’s Travis Frederick.

Here’s the question – if you saw Jones sitting there for the taking at #30 and one of the popular DT picks was also there….which would you take? What if one of the mammoth DTs wasn’t there?

Could you really look at past one of the draft’s TOP OL prospects if he were there at the bottom of the first round?

falcon21

February 17th, 2013
7:28 pm

Big Ray, I would take Jones in a heartbeat. Ryan is forced to make throws because he knows his o-line cannot hold up. Bring in Jones and Holmes and that problem is solved.

Big Ray

February 17th, 2013
7:52 pm

http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2013positionreviewDT.php

Adding fuel to the fire….

Look at the comparison of this draft class and last year’s draft class at the DT position. Intriguing, no?

Normally, I have something to quibble with Mr. Campbell on the analysis…this time proves to be no different. However, I have a LOT less to disagree with, at least initially. Still…well, I’ll get to that in a bit.

I’m still on the train of thought where in an impact defensive player should be our first round pick focus. However, is the position of DT really a lock here? It is if THE PLAYER The Branch wants is there. But it might not be a lock on the position itself.

The DT class grades out very well here. A couple of comments made in this column stood out to me:

This is one of the few positions where the 2013 class is stronger than that of 2012, and that is saying something because the 2012 class was a solid year for defensive tackles.

What does this mean? It could mean a lot of things, honestly. It could mean that we don’t necessarily HAVE to go DT in the first round, though I think we can count on most desireable DT prospects to be gone by the time we pick at the bottom of the 2nd round. Then again, if the class is viewed as being deep, teams are liable to do the opposite of what we might expect them to do. In other words, instead of making a run on the position, they may sit back and go after the decidedly limited prospects at OTHER positions, knowing that there are plenty of quality DTs to go around.

This might mean that an early run could in fact drop a different kind of player to us. This kind of scenario might actually see a highly ranked LB or OL player drop to the bottom of the first round. One never knows, and we have yet to see the effects of the Underwear Olympics and Pro Days.

If you were to mix the classes, Cox would go behind Lotulelei. Brockers would go behind those two. Poe, Wolfe, Reyes, Worthy and Still would all go behind Short and in front of Jesse Williams. Other draft analysts would disagree and put Jesse Williams higher than those players.

This just goes to show you how different teams (nevermind the draft pundits) will view different players. Several teams will be looking at the DT position. However, how they look at it is going to be a deciding factor.

A guy like Jesse Williams could drop to us easily simply because he doesn’t have the same kind of effect that a guy like Kawann Short has. Williams is a 3-4 nose tackle, period. Could he play a DT in a 4-3 alignment? Probably so. But Kawann Short is less limited. The guy most likely won’t find himself anchoring a 3-4 at Nose, but he could easily be slotted as a 3-4 DE in some cases, and a 4-3 DT in many other cases. He’s got the strength, but more importantly he’s got the speed and penetration ability without losing his ability to anchor. OH, and he’s healther than say….a Gerald McCoy (who was VERY highly rated coming out of college and a similar type of DT).

Don’t be the least bit surprised if Short (a prospect fave of mine) comes off the board leaving…gasp…Jesse Williams right there for the taking.

The 2013 NFL Draft class could have six to eight defensive tackles go in the first round. We’ll update this column after the NFL Scouting Combine and will probably add LSU defensive tackle Bennie Logan. Other tackles who may be included are Penn State’s Jordan Hill, Illinois’ Akeem Spence and Missouri Southern’s Brandon Williams.

Believe it. This assures one of three things- either the Falcons will have their DT of choice (one they prefer) in the 1st round, or they’ll be able to wait until the 2nd round to grab one of their liking, or they’ll have another very nice talent at a different position drop right into their laps.

It’s never a bad thing to have a deep and talented class at a position of need, come draft time. Leaves you a lot of favorable options.

On the complete break-down ….

I actually agree with Campbell on the “bust” potential of Sylvester Williams, but I think he’s wrong to even use the word “bust” with Jesse Williams….and really it’s just an argument of semantics.

Personally, I have no use for a DT who has the talent to be a high first rounder but has a stop-start-stop motor. Either that motor runs all the time, or I don’t want the guy. Sylvester Williams is a classic bust waiting to happen that shouldn’t be bothered with. Could he turn out to be a consistent pro? Sure. But the fact that he has bullsh!tted his way through ACC ball is enough to make me wanna request a “black dot” on his ass. I’m not bashing ACC football…but if you can’t consistently dominate when you have the talent to do so and injuries nor coaching are the major contributing factors…plus you PROVED your inconsistency when given a shot at the “world stage” (senior bowl), that does it for me.

Sylvester Williams is a no-go.

On the other hand, Jesse Williams was consistent…against largely the best football in the country (yes, I am a bit of a conference snob).

The fact that he’s not a big factor against the passing game is somewhat irrelevant, if you ask me. Campbell uses the pass-happy NFL trends to degrade Jesse’s value. I say this is false for a few reasons:

1) Campbell says Williams will at least be a good run stuffer. Yeah, no sh!t. Who were the two RBs in the Super Bowl? Frank Gore and Ray Rice/Bernard Pierce. Think either guy can run? Think either guy had an effect on the game? NEVER, I mean NEVER underestimate the value of a proven “point of attack” guy when we’re talking about stuffing the run…particularly at the DT position.

2) Last I looked, the so-called “Pistol” offense was the latest trouble in defending offenses. The Falcons will find themselves facing RGIII, Cam Newton, Russell Wilson, and sudden media darling Colin Kaepernick in the NFC. Vick is still around, even if he’s not quite what he once was. That is a LOT of running QB crap to deal with. A guy who can keep the middle of the pocket from being open or better yet, can come close to collapsing it, is invaluable. Period. No arguments there, right?

3) Campbell says Jesse can be a space-eater. Uhhh…yeah. This is not a benign term. A space-eater does more than just “eat space.” Such a player also occupies blockers. What does that do? It allows DEs and LBs (yes, even “marginal” ones) to make plays whereas they otherwise might not be able to. Ask Ray Edwards what life was like in Minnesota if you don’t believe that one. The Branch now knows firsthand what that means (or they should by now, dammit).

So while Campbell undervalues what Jesse Williams can mean to a team (enough so to mention him in possible biggest bust conversation), I disagree based on fit and the Falcons needs.

Look, we may not go full-time to a 3-4 defense this season. But if we’re going to use it more, we need the players with which to successfully begin this transition. Short might be a favorite for what he can do in a number of situations (and a GREAT consolation prize if the other big boys are gone) but he may also get pushed out of reach while Jesse Williams could be the perfect unheralded lynch pin that makes other existing pieces work better than they have in the recent past.

After all, that’s just it – we don’t necessarily have to have a big boy DT for the purpose of generating sacks. We would need such a guy to help spring others for that duty.

Would Georgia’s John Jenkins be better? Probably. And that’s why he won’t be available at the bottom of the first round.

Big Ray

February 17th, 2013
7:56 pm

Sorry about the above novel, for anyone who is annoyed.

But I’ve had the time on my hands and have to type while my thoughts are coherent. Who knew the cure was worse than the disease? “Flu-like symptoms” suck….but this weird “disconnnect” feeling that the meds are giving me are in some ways worse…minus the murderous headache….nah, I’ll take the meds….I hate having headaches…

Big Ray

February 17th, 2013
8:02 pm

Falcon 21 ,

Two things make me want to agree with you, and neither is the excellent points you made about Ryan and the amount of time he has to throw:

1) The NFL is moving more towards having quality interior OL players. Why? Because of increasingly effective 3-4 defenses and more “penetrating” DTs.

2) This draft class is loaded with DTs, as stated above. A lot of teams are going to have some DT help. We’ve struggled in this are (defending against gap shooters on the inside). Can a really good interior OL player be bypassed at a time like this? I’m inclined to think not .

That, and if a good DT prospect can be picked up later, then this bears some serious consideration.

Big Ray

February 17th, 2013
8:14 pm

Campbell is somewhat harsh on Jesse Williams, and if teams feel the same way about him as HE does, then he could drop right out of the first round.

Also, note the trend with DTs. With the exception of Star Lotulelei….most of the DTs rated the highest are eithe right around the 300 lb range or just below it.

We may give Smitty some shiz about going with the quicker/penetration DTs, but this IS a trend and he didn’t start it.

Why is it a trend? Well we all know athletes evolve. We know offenses are quicker than before, there are fewer plodding-but-mauling OLs out there. There are two basic kinds from what I can see.

1) The kind that will hold against pass rush all day so a pocket QB can throw (New England, New Orleans).

2) The kind that utilize the ZBS or some form thereof.

There is no more “we’re gonna run it at you 40 times EVERY GAME” OLs out there anymore, pretty much. There are teams that can DO it and have the accompanying talent at RB to run it at you hard, but no mauling lines like were more common a decade ago.

Thus, teams are looking for pass rush from EVERY angle, including the biggest players on the defensive side of the ball. Yep…teams want more pass rush from the interior, so quicker guys are taken more often.

Not only that, but with the advent of the “running QB”, nobody wants to leave their lanes wide open. Why? Because teams have also figured out that the running QB’s best friend is an equally speedy TE. Normally, a good 3-4 defense would stop a running QB because of the ability of the plethora of LBs. However, the TE causes all sorts of problems, especially if he has the speed of a Jimmy Graham or Vernon Davis.

Thus, you can look for Shariff Floyd, Sheldon Richardson, and probably Kawann Short to go quicker than some of the bigger DTs, except with teams that run a dedicated 3-4 defensive base.

JB Falcon

February 17th, 2013
8:32 pm

Big Ray, glad to see you back in the saddle. I feel the same way you do about drugs, sometimes the side effects are worse than the sickness, but they don’t seem to be affecting your insight. You have added an entirely different concept and concern about the draft. I don’t like saying “I can’t wait” because I have no choice but it will indeed be interesting.

Big Ray

February 17th, 2013
9:26 pm

JB ,

Thanks! And go ahead and say it….none of us can wait. We’re just forced to ;)

darrell starks

February 17th, 2013
9:51 pm

This guy have Jessie Williams rank as the 8th best DT in the draft, WHAT A BIG DUMMY.

This is a blessing for the Falcons, i hope TD is keeping his finger cross that this big boy from Alabama fall right in his lap.

GO FALCONS!!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

February 17th, 2013
9:52 pm

Jessie Wiliams is the second best DT in this draft.

GO FALCONS!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

February 17th, 2013
9:59 pm

http://youtu.be/aBbTLxLiicA

Look at the strength Jessie Williams have up the middle.

Just what the doctor order for Falcons.

GO FALCONS!!!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

February 17th, 2013
10:04 pm

Joshua malavenda

February 17th, 2013
10:08 pm

Br- I bet the steelers will get Williams but I will have my fingers crossed.
I wouldn’t be too upset if the falcons get Barrett jones. He is perfect for the falcons system. He already cross trained at all the ol positions and he is pretty good at them also.

Big Ray

February 17th, 2013
11:25 pm

http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/football/ogletree-will-be-hot-seat-nfl-combine/nWRd5/

Black Dot alert…. sigh ….

Drop he might, but we’ll never draft him.

Big Ray

February 17th, 2013
11:26 pm

Darrell ,

There is NO question about Williams’ strength. His speed (lateral quickness as well) will be put to test at the combine, however.

That said, I’d not turn my nose up at him. He’s a NT stud.

Big Ray

February 17th, 2013
11:28 pm

Joshua ,

Agreed on Barrett Jones. A stud for sure. Question is which position would he be most effective at? I’d like to keep him inside if we pick him up.

marko

February 18th, 2013
6:35 am

Looking at a list of free agent guards, You’d be hard pressed not to notice our own Garret Reynolds. At six foot seven, he kind of jumps off the page. Most guards are shorter and heaver. It makes sense when you consider the demands of the position. You gain leverage by placing your pads under the opposing lineman’s and driving him off the line. At six foot seven, It’s asking a lot of Garret to play the traditional guards role. How does a man his size consistently get leverage on shorter , heavier defensive tackles? You can’t help but wonder why the Falcons have created a line of players who seem best suited to play right tackle. I wonder if Turner thinks the same thing every time he’s tackled in the backfield.

Reynolds played his college ball at North Carolina. He’s a popular player in those parts, and I’ve read that the Panthers are interested in signing him. That wouldn’t surprise me a bit. However I would be a little bit shocked If they lined him up at right guard.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664459

When God created offensive guards, he had Chance Warmack in mind. Why doesn’t anybody ever ask Smitty, and Thomas the questions we’d like to hear?

Joshua malavenda

February 18th, 2013
8:47 am

Br- you would get your wish as they would play barret at the right guard position and move Konz to center.

Marko- Womack is a great player and some pundits say that him and star are the best players in the whole draft. I think he will be long gone before we draft in the first round,

SOMEBODY NEEDS TO TELL THE TRUTH

February 18th, 2013
9:54 am

I can’t really get my hands around, or understand why the Falcons are allowing one player (Tony Gonzales) to be the center piece of their off-season moves (signings). One player, IMO has the franchise at a stand-still, or at least, at the TE position. With the team struggling mightily on defense…are awaiting a decision on a soon to be 37 year old Tightend? I don’t have to go into all of the superlatives to describe his (Tony) hall of fame career, everyone here on this blog are well aware of his accomplishments…but, there has to be a time to say so long Tony, great having you as a falcon. At a time where we’re crippled, as far as cap space, we (facons) are willing to pay Tony another year, at least the simular contract he had in 2012, I beleive that contract was 7 mill? At a time we’re struggling on defense, our major concern at this juncture, IMO, is signing Tony G?

IMO, we need young blood at the TE position. I think it was mentioned on this blog that Mike Smith and Matt Ryan are lobbying the most for Gonzales return for one more season. Mike Smith, I can understand his wanting Tony back, he (Smith) is a guy that probably wakes up each morning, measures the right amount of paste on his tooth-brush, fills his coffee cup to a specific amount, you get where I’m going with this, the man doesn’t like change, we’re talking bout the same man that will run Turner up the middle no matter the outcome, keep “fair catch Franks” at punt return, he has not shown the ability to play the best players, not to mention, Coffman catching that beautiful pass in the playoff game against the Seahawks, only to never be seen again in the playoffs. I trully understand why Smith wants to keep Tony around, he’s a coach that will only change when has too.

Matt Ryan, there’s a time to get weaned off the enfamil (binky). If you’re trully an “Elite” QB, show us you can make players around you better (pro bowl caliber). Tony was brought in specifically for your developement…not to continously become your security blanket, indefinitely. Something is mighty strange if an 27 year old man is still sleeping underneath his infant (security) blanket, let it go Ryan! I know taking Tony away from you will not go without some kicking, screaming (tantrum) but it must be done to further you along in your career.

In my summation, it’s time to shake Tony’s hand, tell’em how valuble he’s been to the franchise…and respectfully part ways. IMHO.

Hamad Meander

February 18th, 2013
12:42 pm

As much as I would hate to see Tony Gonzalez retired, I don’t want to see the Falcons put off getting a replacement for him any longer. Tight Ends are becoming more and more valuable in NFL offenses because of the match up problems they present to defenses. Quick – name two starting WRs for the Patriots. More quickly, name their two TEs. Exactly.

I don’t still know where the Falcons should go with pick 1, but if it isn’t a pass rushing end or tight end, I will be disappointed.

Big Ray

February 18th, 2013
1:41 pm

Marko ,

I don’t know if the Falcons are waiting on TG as far as other FA moves go, but I can’t see why they can’t cut some folks already…

Big Ray

February 18th, 2013
1:44 pm

Somebody ,

Personally, if TG wants to come back I wouldn’t say no to him. I don’t know about paying him $7 or $8 mil for a year again, but we have nothing to fall back on that says he isn’t worth it. Look at the production…

At the same time, I made similar comments earlier in the blog about Ryan and the need to grow out of the recent past and start doing his own thing as far as finding and establishing new targets. You make excellent points along those lines – especially in reference to making guys around him better. It’s something guys like Dan Marino and Tom Brady have done for years.

Big Ray

February 18th, 2013
1:51 pm

Hamad ,

I don’t see a legit first round grade pass rushing DE available for us, unless somebody very good drops, and that probably comes down to three or four names…none of which are a “guaranteed thing” Florida State’s Bjoern Werner may be the only “top” pure DE – and by that I mean a guy who isn’t equally a potential OLB – followed by Damontre Moore, Ezekhial Ansah, etc. Too much risk for a position that needs immediate impact, not a 2-3 year development.

Big Ray

February 18th, 2013
1:53 pm

As for TE, I get it…but if we draft one in the first round, dude better turn out to be darn good right away and GREAT in the long run. Nothing less will do.

Joshua malavenda

February 18th, 2013
2:05 pm

Somebody needs to tell the truth – I couldn’t have said it better. My sentiments exactly

My thoughts- I would for them to draft te just not in the first round. If the drafttek Mick draft is anything like real one they have Travis kelcie going in the seventh round . He would be a steal in seventh round and I think he is most complete te in the draft. I would for the falcons to draft him.

I also would the falcons to sign Phillip wheeler he a very versatile lb and would be great in Nolan’s system.

SeminoleWarrior

February 18th, 2013
2:19 pm

What’s up Cage..

A quiet week ahead as the TeePee staff is preparing to head to Indy for the next phase of our draft evaluations. The Combine is this weekend and all eyes will be focused on Indy starting this Friday.

The staff has been doing a great job thus far of evaluation and I am really liking the direction that the Cocoa Mel and his team will be heading when it comes to the big board. Some of the bigger names that we have already floated out there include, but are not limited to, Kwaan Short, Stepfan Taylor, Khaseem Greene, Chase Thomas, Jesse WIlliams, and Johnathan Hankins.

SeminoleWarrior

February 18th, 2013
2:21 pm

As of right now, the Falcons have seven picks with the potential to increase to as many as 9.

The TeePee is projecting to use at least two-thirds of the Falcons picks on defense.

SeminoleWarrior

February 18th, 2013
2:24 pm

BR,

Totally agree with you in regards to defensive ends in this draft. My guy Werner is immensely talented but I do not see him as a double digit sack man in his rookie season.

And since people think that all defensive ends must produce double digits immediately (NFL average is 8 per season), I sense that a lot of folks are going to be dissappointed in this draft class.

SeminoleWarrior

February 18th, 2013
2:26 pm

BR,

If the price is right, I have no issue at all with bring back TG88 I can not see giving him $8 million when the defense needs an infusion as well as we need cap space. Love him but the TeePee feels that if the future is on the roster, we need to see the future NOW. No more WPP!!

SeminoleWarrior

February 18th, 2013
2:29 pm

Marko,

CFA Smith and TD are not asked the questions that we want to hear because the ATL media does not have the guts to ask them. They do not want to offend the establishment. I personally would not give a damned. And I would have some very tough questions for CFA Smith.

On defense alone, he would get so mad at me that he might pull a Dennis Green on the stage. I mean the Falcons defense is who we thought they were, right?

SeminoleWarrior

February 18th, 2013
2:31 pm

“I can’t really get my hands around, or understand why the Falcons are allowing one player (Tony Gonzales) to be the center piece of their off-season moves (signings). One player, IMO has the franchise at a stand-still, or at least, at the TE position. With the team struggling mightily on defense…are awaiting a decision on a soon to be 37 year old Tightend? I don’t have to go into all of the superlatives to describe his (Tony) hall of fame career, everyone here on this blog are well aware of his accomplishments…but, there has to be a time to say so long Tony, great having you as a falcon. At a time where we’re crippled, as far as cap space, we (facons) are willing to pay Tony another year, at least the simular contract he had in 2012, I beleive that contract was 7 mill? At a time we’re struggling on defense, our major concern at this juncture, IMO, is signing Tony G?”

Truth….the answer is called disconnect. The front office is not seeing things as they are; they are seeing things as they WANT them to be.

Again, if the future is on the roster, why in the hell do we want to hide him for one more year?

SeminoleWarrior

February 18th, 2013
2:39 pm

Marko / BR ,

They are waiting because they have no clue what to do. Right now, the natives are restless. The news out of the Branch since losing the title game has not been good for AB or his team.

Fan are not happy with the sneaky approach to the new stadium. They are not happy with the fact the owner is telling them one thing yet seeking a sweet deal behind the scenes. They are not happy with the talk of using Los Angeles as leverage to strong arm the city/county/state into a deal that is not, NOT, in the best interest of the public or ATL at this time.

The natives are not happy when they see the same old same each season; promise wiped out by an inept defensive effort or an inability of coaches (excuse me, facilitators) to make needed adjustments.

They are afraid of the tough choices that lie ahead. Fans may be happy to see Turner released but how will they react to see both he and Abraham released at the same time. What if they do not bring back Grimes and lose Moore to free agency? Speaking of FA, what if the team is not active (which I believe will be the case) or they bring in the next Dunta or Ray (overrated role players instead of an impact player/leader).

Ohhhhhh, the waters are choppy at the Branch. But you were warned, weren’t you?

SOMEBODY NEEDS TO TELL THE TRUTH

February 18th, 2013
2:41 pm

Yeah SW, so many have come/gone…and still here in the cage doubting the “disconnect” you’ve been preaching about for at least 2 years…and growing. I must admit, I was skeptical, until I saw it play out…and continue to play out before my very eyes.

SeminoleWarrior

February 18th, 2013
2:59 pm

Truth,

In the words of Stephen A. Smith,

“If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it ain’t a damned mongoose.” It is the same old same.

Think about it for a moment. This defense has been sickening in terms of pass coverage in ALL four our our playoff appearances under this regime. People will say that we have invested heavily in the offense and it has worked. Offensively, we made TWO significant free agent signings that have been instrumental in our offensive evolution, Michael Turner and Tony Gonzalez. Other selection, except for Ryan, Jones, and Baker, were not first rounders. I will give them credit on that.

At the same time, we went into free agency “targeting” the best player available. Accoridng to CFA Smith, We “got” our men, filled our needs, with Ray Edwards, Dunta Robinson, and Asanti Samuel. Veterans, Veterans, that were supposed to take our team to the next level, instill professionalism and leadership, and an improved pass defense.

Still waiting…

SeminoleWarrior

February 18th, 2013
3:01 pm

We added Jones to the arsenal but it was not until we found the innovation that was DK that the offense really took off. So three first rounders on offense. One first rounder on defense but supplemented by extensive (and expensive) FA signings that were supposed to, in the words of Ali, shake up the world.

Still waiting….

SeminoleWarrior

February 18th, 2013
3:10 pm

“Truth….the answer is called disconnect. The front office is not seeing things as they are; they are seeing things as they WANT them to be. ”

Want more proof. Try this one.

Why would you draft offensive linemen with experience in zone blocking, with the size and skills that made each all conference or second team all conference in their schemes, then attempt to transition them to OTHER positions, in a power blocking scheme?

And then say we have to get more physical upfront? Things that make you go hmmmmm….

SeminoleWarrior

February 18th, 2013
3:14 pm

JB Falcon

February 18th, 2013
3:18 pm

Rob Rang, cbssports “Hankins is far from the only defensive tackle that scouts will want to ask about their consistency. Georgia’s John Jenkins, Purdue’s Kawann Short and North Carolina’s Sylvester Williams are other highly regarded run-pluggers whose motors too often have drifted to idle for scouts’ tastes.”
SW –
Some of the bigger names that we have already floated out there include, but are not limited to, Kwaan Short, Stepfan Taylor, Khaseem Greene, Chase Thomas, Jesse WIlliams, and Johnathan Hankins.

Paddy O

February 18th, 2013
3:41 pm

it bears repeating. tony G is the best available TE. so, if he stay – excellent. what is it with UGA football players? Justin Houston did the same idiotic stuff.

Ken Strickland

February 18th, 2013
3:42 pm

BIG RAY-Suppose we drafted a DE with our 1st pick & a DT with our 2nd. Upgrading our DL would cerainly improve our rushing DEF & pass rush. It would also improve our LB & secondary play, & our overall pass DEF. We have more than enough options at RG already on our roster. You can’t say that about DT.

An improved pass rush & run Def is all we need defensively to become a SB caliber DEF. We were a SB caliber OFF even with our OL & RB issues.

Alnicoj7

February 18th, 2013
3:46 pm

While I agree defense should be a major focus of the offseason, I don’t agree with the conclusion of “implosion” anywhere.

At all positions we have some good talent.

DE: Kroy Bierman is a solid rotational player/backup and Cliff Matthews is growing into a solid starter (both 6′3 260lbs. Decent size). We also have John Abraham for at least one more year. JMass may be a bit small for DE at 6′2 250lbs, probably a rotational guy. I would absolutely love to make DE our top priority though. A Datone Jones, Dion Jordan, etc would be great. 1st round or free agent I think. A starter.

DT: Babs + a healthy Corey Peters + Walker (I believe we’ll resign him). I’d love to pick up a NT like Jesse Williams, Kwame Geathers, John Jenkins to create some versatility and fill a void (space eating DT). Spend a second or third round pick on one. A backup/rotational/situational player.

LB: Sean Weatherspoon is a beast. Akeem Dent was above average against the run down the stretch. Stephen Nicholas has some nice moments, but he struggle in pass coverage in the nickel. I’d like to add a pass coverage type LB. Maybe Khaseem Greene from Rutgers would be a nice fit. Second round grade as well. This is a second or third round priority to me as well. A nickel starter at first, moves into three down LB.

We normally pick up one major free agent or make a trade, so that’ll fill one of those voids and leave that pick open for another void. RBs can come cheap (4th, 5th etc) TEs are best in the 3rd round. Lineman come from any round (though the best normally come up high).

A well executed offseason could fix all of these needs without doing anything crazy. Just a good ol’ Thomas Dimitroff draft and one pickup and we’re back on track. No implosions necessary.

marko

February 18th, 2013
4:29 pm

Joshua malavenda, You’re absolutely right, Chance will be distant memory by the time we draft. I was only perplexed by why we’d start a really nice six foot seven inch kid at right guard. If you wanted to make him look bad, wouldn’t it be easier to buy him a pink uniform, and tie his shoe laces together? The truth is that I actually like our personnel on the offensive line. I’m just a bit perplexed by the with the way we use them.

Speaking of the truth, I’d like our first three picks to all go to the defensive side of the ball. And I’d be happier still if they were all used on tackles, ends and linebackers. If Dimitroff wants to pick DB’s and OL’s on Sunday he has my blessings. However, If he drafts a tight end, with our first pick, you won’t hear a peep out of old Marko for the rest of the day. I’ll be too busy cleaning the puke off my keyboard.

Big Ray, nice to see you back in action. I enjoyed the Walter stuff, on DT’s I’m not sure I completely agreed with them on Jessie Williams, but then again I don’t always agree with myself either.

SeminoleWarrior

February 18th, 2013
5:07 pm

JB Falcon

The TeePee will be watching closely this weekend. I saw Mr. Rang’s comments. But they remain on the list and will be thoroughly evaluated to see if they are worthy of the Cocoa’s Big Board.

Thanks, bro.

SeminoleWarrior

February 18th, 2013
5:10 pm

No Olgetree in the ATL.

If he can’t stay clean in AZ, imagine the hell he would catch in the ATL. He and Turner at Magic CIty…..look out!!

Joshua malavenda

February 18th, 2013
6:33 pm

Big ray- I think if we draft Alex okafor in the first round he can make instant impact in his his first year. He can play on the end from abrhams in our 4-3 and can contribute as situational pass rusher in a 3-4. He would take some pressure off abrhams which keep him healthier throughout the year so he could be up to par during the playoffs. He could also gain experience to become the successor of abrhams.

Ken Strickland

February 18th, 2013
7:56 pm

BIG RAY-MARKO was being kind when he said you were back. Man, even at full strength, you never attacked a blog with the type of vengence you hit this one with. I love it. We’re going to need that type of participation for the remainder of the off season, and not just from you.

Our OFF will be just fine, regardless of who starts at RG or whether Gonza retires. Ryan will have a TE he can through to, & with Turner gone he’ll be able to throw more to his RBs. I don’t think Koetter needs a TE on Gonzo’s level to still field an effective OFF.

Part of the slack from Gonzo’s potential loss will be made up by an improved rushing OFF. Getting more consistency & production from OC & RG, along with starting a quicker, faster & more versatile RB, will definitely improve our rushing OFF.

We’re definitely going to field another SB caliber OFF. The question is, will we be able to field a SB caliber DEF? We definitely have to improve our pass rush & run DEF, and that all starts with our DL. We can’t continue committing our LBs and Safeties to stopping the run because of a pourous DL.

Neither can we continue using our LBs to generate a pass rush either. We need to draft a DE, DT & LB early in the draft. We’re almost certain to lose CB BGrimes or DRobinson, and DFranks will likely be cut. Therefore, we’ll need another CB for depth.

We all saw how vulnerable our pass DEF was without a healthy JAbraham to generate a pass rush. It put tremendous pressure on our LBs to generate a pass rush, which allowed uncovered TEs to wreck havoc on our secondary.

Unfortunately, both of our starting DEs(Bierman & Abraham) are less than stellar against the run. That seems to be an issue at DT as well, although injury(CPeters)& age(JBabineaux)might be the culprit. A healthy CPeters & starting VWalker at DT might resolve that issue.

JB Falcon

February 18th, 2013
10:00 pm

If we’re going to a 3-4 why don’t we go ahead an announce it? ( Like S Payton in NO) Is TG staying or going? Why don’t MS & Co grow some and let us fans know what the H#ll is going on?
So many questions and so few answers, is that how AB is going to get his fan base to support his new stadium? ??????

SeminoleWarrior

February 18th, 2013
10:24 pm

K Strick @ 7:46

Especially the last four paragraphs. The TeePee completely and absolutely concurs!! And will continue to make that point all off season.

You are absolutely correct…we have a offense that is title worthy and ready. But we are light years behind. Anyone that think this defense is title worthy simply has not seen the forest for the trees.

JBF, the answer is this, my friend. The more things supposedly change, the more they stay the same when it comes to the ATL defense. There is no reason why we are still have not started the process of getting rid of excess salary, initiated a serious dialogue about the future of the defense, the need to stop the inept concept known as cross-training, and the inability to show sustainable development of young players.

The disconnect is alive and well. Trust me. All I have to back it up is the last two years.

Ken Strickland

February 18th, 2013
10:51 pm

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1533632-2013-atlanta-falcons-mock-draft-final-pre-combine-scenario-including-comp-picks
Here’s an interesting mock draft. I can’t say that I agree with it, but it’s definitely interesting. A actually like a few of the players listed.

78dawg

February 18th, 2013
11:15 pm

It’s a bigger picture guys…TD is in over his head..can’t draft..Smith couldn’t motivate a thirsty horse to drink water….

Big Ray

February 19th, 2013
12:31 am

Ken Strickland ,

Thanks, bro’….lol. That was one heck of a post you made at 7:56 your own self! Like SW says, your points about the SB level offense (and lack thereof on defense) were very strong. VERY strong.

Big Ray

February 19th, 2013
12:33 am

Why would you draft offensive linemen with experience in zone blocking, with the size and skills that made each all conference or second team all conference in their schemes, then attempt to transition them to OTHER positions, in a power blocking scheme?

And then say we have to get more physical upfront? Things that make you go hmmmmm….

This is the mother of all rhetorical questions….I’d say contact CFA’s legal counsel on that one but I’m afraid of what the answer will do to your bullsh!t-o-meter….

Big Ray

February 19th, 2013
12:45 am

Ken S,

The link to the bleacher report mock draft certainly was interesting. Personally, I think Texas A&M’s Damontre Moore won’t be around when we pick, but this particular part should stick out to ANY Falcons fan –

General manager Thomas Dimitroff has still yet to select a player with a prior arrest or suspension in the NFL draft.

And there it is. Don’t look for it to change. I’d suggest that there is some room for doing homework on a guy (very hard, very deep, very searching homework) and seeing if a REAL talent comes with any REAL risks.

I mean…Babineaux and Turner have both gotten into trouble since being on the team, even with the choir boys, Mother Theresa, and angels of mercy surrounding them in the locker room and the practice field. It seems even the purest of rites cannot save you from the damnation of Magic City and a couple of cocktails….but I digress.

After all, we know that no sinner shall be allowed hence or hither unto the holy of holies (Flowery Branch) lest we shortly and inevitably thereafter be cast down and doomed (and duped) to sign such lewd heathens of a baser sort as Tebow, for surely to allude to such heresy is to doom thyself to more heinous transgressions than previously thought possible.

Translation – if you let one person who made a single mistake through the unerring black dot filter, then you are all but certain to very quickly become stupid enough to other things like sign Tebow to your team. Or so someone once told me…..

Big Ray

February 19th, 2013
12:45 am

Darn blog monster. Who knew it was up at this hour?

Big Ray

February 19th, 2013
12:48 am

I don’t have anything in particular against Alex Okafor.

If you put him next to a good DT, then yeah he probably produces. That said, if you draft him first then go after a DT, you’re still drafting him as somebody you think has the goods to produce as a first rate pass rusher.

He just ISN’T that guy. So why take a chance on drafting a rookie DE and have him do what you can’t seem to get your existing NFL DEs to do?

Okafor is probably good if playing next to a monster DT. In which case, so might any other number of DEs. So you spend the pick on the DT who makes the DEs better….not the other way around.

Just my opinion, though.

Big Ray

February 19th, 2013
12:49 am

Well that last post got through.

BLOG MONSTER still ate one other one, though. Had to do with the article Ken S put a link to, though.

It states that TD has yet to draft a guy with prior arrest or suspension.

I don’t expect that to change, and I’ll leave it at that for now.

KING KEN

February 19th, 2013
1:16 am

i just hope we go to the 3-4, and get a NT in the draft, maybe olgetree who will fall……some power and speed,….BUT THE WORST THAT WILL HAPPEN, IS MIKE SMITH AND THOMAS WILL GET HIGH CHARACTER GUYS WHO SUCK AT FOOTBALL. WHO TURNS OUT TO BE ALL NICE OFF THE FIELD AND GABAGE ON THE FIELD…

Greg Mendel

February 19th, 2013
10:59 am

HELP!!!!

Mornin’, Cagers. I just popped in to ask for some off-topic help and advice, and I figured a Cager or two would have some insight and experience. (BTW, this is an Atl Braves question I’d normally ask on a Braves blog, but the new AJC blog format is beyond me!)

Here’s my quandary: Like lots of people, I’m tired of paying a fortune to Comcast or Dish for the tiny bit of TV I watch. And like others, I’m trying to cobble together a workable alternative. I’ve put together most of the pieces, but my wife and I always follow the Braves (mainly my wife).

Braves broadcasts involve about four different channels, which ties me to the Dish. However, I could get the MLB TV Network, which, theoretically, should be the perfect solution. But from what I’ve seen, there’s some kind of problem with “blackouts.” I don’t understand this blackout problem or how big a problem it would be.

So, my simple question is: Would we be able to watch MOST 2013 Braves games if we subscribed to MLB TV?

Any advice will be appreciated. Thanks!

D3

February 19th, 2013
11:24 am

Great Tuesday Cage Family!

After a nice relaxing mini-vacation in the North Carolina mountains, I’m back and ready to roll towards free agency. Been checking in daily, but haven’t had a chance to post. Keep it going folks! The combine starts tomorrow and Free Agency is only a few weeks away. As a matter of fact, got another post ready to roll for tomorrow and it should be a doozie.

D3

February 19th, 2013
11:29 am

Trying to catch up, but it will take a minute. Just a few comments on various threads coming and going around through The Cage recently……

Gonzalez — What are you waiting for?
I agree with those of you who say it’s time for a decision. I mean, c’mon man, we’re going on almost a month since we lost in the playoffs. I understand giving the guy plenty of time to make a decision, but my thing is, how long do you need? I’m sure he’s been on vacation and probably is tempted to come back, but also doesn’t want to commit only to change his mind back and forth. I can understand him taking up to about two more weeks, but at that point, c’mon man, let’s get a decision one way or another. I’m good either way and would like to have him back for one more go, but at the same time, it’s time for Smitty, TD, and Ryan to cut the chord and advance this offense. My FA target Jared Cook seems like he’s going to get franchise tagged, so going after him seems to not be an option. Not much out there besides him and we’ll draft one in the 4th or 5th round to develop with Palmer and Coffman.

Paddy O

February 19th, 2013
12:25 pm

Greg: I’ve got Direct TV; and I buy the MLB package – for me, I watch about 80% of the Boston Red Sox games. The Braves NOT having a hallmark broadcast partner might make it more difficult for you – the Sox are on NESN – makes it easy.

Paddy O

February 19th, 2013
12:26 pm

I think Tony G is waiting to see how his body heals prior to committing. The longer it goes, I think the more likely he’ll be back.

Greg Mendel

February 19th, 2013
12:31 pm

Paddy O, thanks!

And I agree with your Tony G observation. I think he’ll be back.

Birdman

February 19th, 2013
1:06 pm

D3

I think that they already know what Gonzo is going to do.If you ask me they just don’t want the public and other teams to know yet .

D3

February 19th, 2013
1:15 pm

Jonathan Jenkins, Jesse Williams, Jonathan Hankins, or Kawaan Short
Are still my first round choices. Not necessarily in that order as combines and in-depth research has not begun yet. Can’t say that I would be outraged if we took someone like Eddie Lacy, but I agree with SW and most others that we don’t have to spend a first round pick on an RB to get an impact. That said, can’t say I would scream to see Lacy in a Falcons uni.

Same goes with Alec Ogletree. I would think he’s a guy that is not a really bad seed, much like Justin Houston and Orson Charles, but just made some really dumb@ss decisions. I also think that LB is a little further down the chart of needs than DT and DE, but if he fell that far, I would say it would be really tough to pass on him. Pair him with Spoon at ILB in the 3-4, throw in Biermann, Mass, Matthews, and a Chase Thomas and WOW talk about remaking a weakness into a major strength for a long time. Don’t think he’ll fall that far because his talent is just too good, but that would solidify our LB corps (one of our biggest weaknesses) for a long, LONG time.

Birdman

February 19th, 2013
1:19 pm

Domontra Moore ..?

SeminoleWarrior

February 19th, 2013
1:40 pm

D3,

As much as I have been screaming for it implementation, I am coming to the cold reality that it will not be happening in the ATL. It would not have been an issue for the Branch to have made that statement and let the fans know that a change was coming. God knows it is needed or a more effective use of personnel. Yet, all we hear is the ongoing wishful thinking that TG88 is desired to come back into the fold for one more year. And while I am a big fan of TG88, he is not, I repeat, not the biggest need this team has as we move towards the 2013 season.

If the projections that are listed in the Bleacher Report story that K Strick posted are correct, then the Falcons have eleven picks to work with. That is HUGE and if that is in fact true, the TeePee would project that we use at least 6 or seven of those picks on defense. It is a matter of finding the missing pieces as well as establishing creditable depth on a suspect unit.

D3

February 19th, 2013
1:46 pm

RE: That TE pick……..

I still don’t think that either Ertz or Eifert are necessarily worthy of 1st round picks, but I am less inclined to break my TV and Falcons beer mug if we take either. One reason is the fact that we’re picking #30. That’s essentially a second round pick and we would be stocked at TE for years to come, whether or not Gonzo comes back or not. Another reason is TD could start following his predecessor and start the Two TE movement that the Patriots had so much success with in New England. Let me say this again: it is not my first choice to take one of these guys, but since we’re picking so late, IF TD FEELS THAT EITHER IS A GOOD CHOICE, than I would be on board with it, as long as the vast majority of the rest of the draft is used to take DT, LB, and DE’s. Still think it would be a mistake to pass on one of the deepest DT classes in recent memory, but if we could address it later in the draft, than so be it. Only problem is, we’d be looking at taking a TE and RB with 2 of our first 4 picks and offense was NOT the problem.

The main reason I have a hard time taking Eifert or Ertz is this question: do either of these guys offer anything else than what Chase Coffman has to offer?

SeminoleWarrior

February 19th, 2013
1:56 pm

While I too am a fan of the upside that Jared Cook could bring to the Falcons, there is another free agent TE that the TeePee likes more. Martellus Bennett.

At 6′6″, 250, he is 10 years yonger than TG88 and is total package. He is a very effective blocker and a fine receiving threat. His acquistion, if we could do it, would settle the tight end debate for the next 7 to 10 years provided he stays healty.

But it will never happen. Why? Disconnect prevails once again.

I love TG88 but if the front office is confident enough to say that the TE of our future is already on the roster, why in the hell are they so busy chasing a man whose contract is over and has indicated, by word and apparently action now, that he has minimal desire to return. If TG88 was going to come back, he would have made the choice by now. It is simple: either you are in or you are not.

Again, it is beginning to get harder and harder to accept the bull that emerges from the Branch.

SeminoleWarrior

February 19th, 2013
1:59 pm

“The main reason I have a hard time taking Eifert or Ertz is this question: do either of these guys offer anything else than what Chase Coffman has to offer…”

Totally agree with you, brother. Thus my prior comments. If you do not believe in what we have on the roster, then you have to find the best that you can get. And in FA, its either Cook or Bennett. My money is on Bennett.

But again, I do not expect the Falcons to be major players in FA. Too much money to be spent in the upcoming Ryan, Weatherspoon, and Jones deals – deals that MUST get done sooner rather than later.

SeminoleWarrior

February 19th, 2013
2:03 pm

This draft has to be defensively intense and the Falcons face a serious challenge. They need to find at least TWO immediate starters for this defense. They need an impact player that can start on the DL and they need a starter at one of the OLB positions.

And make no mistake, they can find them in this draft.

As a matter of fact, if the first three picks went like the following, I would consider it a MAJOR win for the Falcons:

1) Hankins/Short/Williams
2) Greene or Thomas
3) Taylor or Randle

SeminoleWarrior

February 19th, 2013
2:15 pm

So let me be clear on this..

This team woud rather spend 6 to 9 million on a potential HoF Band Aid for a year than move forward, investing that money in a longer term, more stable future at this position and perhaps a second or third one?

Make no damned sense if you ask me..

If you want to purchase Band Aid, how about Michael Boley who is out there. Hell, he ALONE had more INTs than the ENTIRE FALCONS linebacker corps. And I would say there is a GREATER need for a coverage linebacker than keeping TG88 when we have the tight end of the future on our roster, right?

Just saying…..

SeminoleWarrior

February 19th, 2013
2:34 pm

Before the assasins take aim,

When I refer to TG88 as a band aid, that is looking forward. While I do not question his conditioning and his skills, why not look to get younger and secure the longer term?

The band aid approach has failed in ATL. Each band aid has not achieved the rewards it was supposed to. As a matter of facts, we have regressed. Overhyped, underachievers. That is what our band aids have been.

Statistically, Robinson has been no damned better than Chris Houston. As a matter of fact, Houston has been better in all measures of play. Sure, he (Robinson) makes a few more spectacular tackles here and there. But Houston has force more turnovers, defended more passes, and intercepted more passes. And in the end, are those not the reasons why you bring in a high profile CB? To make a difference?

Four interceptions in three years at a cost of at $22.5 million. A very expensive band aid if you ask me.

This by the same CFA that cut Houston but retained the other Arkansas product from the same draft, the classic bust, Jamaal Anderson. Oh yeah, that’s right, they tried to convert him to DT. That failed cross training thingy again.

D3

February 19th, 2013
2:40 pm

SW — Your disconnect theory should win you an Edward Murrow award because what you’ve been saying for a long time is coming crystal clear now. Your disconnect goes right in line with this band-aid theory and I’m hoping that it doesn’t blow up right in our faces, but I can’t say I won’t be shocked if it happens. This deal with Gonzalez is a great example. Sure, give him two more weeks, but at some point…………

I would say that TD is just planning on rolling with Palmer, Coffman, and a later round draft pick at this point to be honest, with Coffman potentially being the starter. It doesn’t look like Jared Cook will make it out of Nashville without a franchise tag anyway and I’m not sure on Bennett. I had him in fantasy and dude could blow up, but also just as easily do NOTHING! I know I shouldn’t allow my fantasy dictate free agency, but still.

I completely agree with your draft picks in the first 3 rounds. I’d be willing to switch 2nd round to get Randle or Taylor and take best available LB in 3rd round.

Also, just finishing up a post that you will definitely appreciate regarding our cap situation. It’s WAY more dire than many realize.

Michael Boley……..hah. Lawrence Sidbury will be the new Boley. Cast aside because you got on Smitty’s s–list for some stupid reason, gone in FA, and maybe wearing a Super Bowl ring, just like Boley.

Hamad Meander

February 19th, 2013
3:30 pm

I guess when you get down to it, DE is a risky pick for the 1st round. The least risky positions to pick in the first round are offensive line and linebacker. These guys usually pan out. A rookie DE probably isn’t going to put this team over the top, but a solid offensive lineman could help for many seasons. We need impact players, but a 1st round bust will hurt us for a long time.

D3

February 19th, 2013
3:40 pm

SeminoleWarrior

February 19th, 2013
4:19 pm

D3 @ 2:40pm

Thanks for the kind words, bro. Here at the TeePee, we just just try to keep it real and honest. After all, that is what the Cage has come to stand for; a place where constructive, real conversations about our team can be held. And it is why we stand alone as THE real destination for the truth, the WHOLE truth, and nothing but the truth on the Falcons.

And as long as you allow me and the Cage can put up with my rants from time to time, I will do my part to keep it on point, whether the point is popular or not.

I agree. Cook will get the tag for sure. Bennett is a nice youn talent that is still emerging but the promise can not be underestimated. I think the inconsistency you referenced is more about a Kevin Gilbride scheme than anything Bennett did. But I see and understand your concerns. I still think that he would be a valuable asset if we had the cap space.

Totally agree with you on the Boley and Sidbury situations.

For a man that can get rid of players that are deemed problems (Boley, Edwards), how in the hell can the CFA not develop the likes of a Sidbury when all we hear is that he is this marvelous teacher?

Birdman

February 19th, 2013
4:27 pm

Great reads guy’s

I think the franchise Tag will be put on Moore . I see it coming .

Have a Blessed day Cager’s

SeminoleWarrior

February 19th, 2013
4:46 pm

Birdman, while I agree with your prediciton regarding Moore and the tag, I am on record as saying it is a mistake.

This team needs to get serious about how it is handling its long term future with its key players. It needs a disciplined financial approach as well as a REAL focus on player development. A tag on Moore this season means we are kicking the can down the road. Now is not the time to do that.

If we tag him and he has a “true” Pro Bowl season, then his stock increases. It is VERY imperative that we cut some of the inflated salaries or dead wood that we have littered across our roster at this time.

We have to find a way to lock up the core of this team with appropriate long term deals rather than band aid fixes.

Sure, other teams are in even worse shape than we are. But some of those teams are making the tough choices. Better to make them now, especially with aging, declining veterans or underachievers, than run the risk of loosing talent down stream.

Ryan, Weatherspoon, Peters, Jones, etc. The core…the future. Coming sooner rather than later.

Matty Bicep

February 19th, 2013
7:12 pm

The question I have for all that advocate moving on from Tony is, are you willing to accept the growing pains? Or do we really think that replacing a first ballet hof’er with an unproven guy will immediately make us better? Are you going to be patient as we potentially step backwards for a stronger 2014?

And for all you who say that Ryan needs to move on from Tony, just remember that TG was wide open streaking toward the end zone when Ryan went away from his blankety….just be careful what you wish for.

Paddy O

February 19th, 2013
7:18 pm

SW: I 100% agree Tony G coming back or not is NOT our big concern – and, I like your top 3 draft picks. I think Coffman can play TE fine. But, I watched Bennett a lot in Dallas, and he has the same lack of focus that Tony Romo gets. Bennett has a lot of bad time drops, and will pick up that painful penalty. I’d prefer Tony G comes back, and now we should be able to win the SB. Provided of course that we shore up the LB, CB and S corps – plus transition to 3-4. IN a 3-4 I think we have adequate DE talent on the roster. But, having that monster DT is key of course. And, we’d really need a play making LB who’ll blitz every down. Should be a very fun draft run up. Last year I had zero clue what we were looking at – this year like 2 years ago, our needs are a lot clearer.

Paddy O

February 19th, 2013
7:20 pm

MB that throw to RW84 at the end of the game made no sense – but, Ryan was obviously in a ton of pain/distracted. What miffs me is the route we assigned JJ to run – he was out of the play almost immediately.

Matty Bicep

February 19th, 2013
7:29 pm

Yea, woulda could shoulda for sure, i dont recall what jj did, but we had one open guy, all we needed. but I dont know how tony leaving makes us better next year, sure, we will be different building toward the future, let the Eagles rebuild, I want another SB run.

JB Falcon

February 19th, 2013
8:18 pm

MB, for ONCE I tend to agree with you about keeping TG for one more year, if the cost is nomimal. Next year will be the closest chance TG has ever come to winning a SB and would definitely give us a better chance. I would think TG would jump at the chance to go out like Ray Lewis and enjoy his exit, get his ring, and help us win.
Only thing is, it ain’t gonna’ make or break us either way. We don’t have $8 mil to give him and risk the chance to lose a core player or not be able to sign a good, younger, FA or draft pick.
I don’t believe money is TG’s motivation and if I were him I would play for damn near free. This opportunity will never come to him again. So, what’s it gonna’ be Tony, greed or “glory?” Sh!t or get off the pot. You are hindering our plans by your indecision.

Unca' Bob

February 19th, 2013
8:38 pm

JB Falcon,

“You are hindering our plans by your indecision.”

Maybe it’s just me, but, I would like to think our FO would have a game plan on board to adjust to what ever TG88 does or does not do. I have faith in TG88 ( the pros pro ) to make his call, one way or another, in a timely fashion that would not restrict any time lines our FO has in mind. The rest I’ve read of late from most is Hoodoo.

Matty Bicep

February 19th, 2013
8:42 pm

Agreed, but my guess is TG has a deadline before the draft, obviously if his indecision does hinder us, we should move on, but we are not not there yet, especially if coffman is plan b, then there is no hurry at all. But bottom line is, he makes us better….

Unca' Bob

February 19th, 2013
8:49 pm

PS,

I put Hoodoo in there because I can’t spell BS.

D3

February 19th, 2013
8:52 pm

Late night greetings Cage!

Saw this on the Falcoholic from one of the posters and thought it was very interesting. Goes in-line with what many of us are / have been saying………

I didnt see
Joe Hawley on the list, side note i heard Dave Archer on 790 the zone say Nicholas should not be starting for us next year and if he is the falcons havent done their job, they were saying Nolan had to use different schemes to hide the weakness at linebacker, so they said dont be surprised to see a linebacker go ealry to us and a D lineman

by outkasted3000

Will be rolling out a new post sometimes tomorrow!

JB Falcon

February 19th, 2013
8:56 pm

UB, I too “would like to think” the same thing but I also would like to think that the FO has enough sense not to spend our #1 on a TE. I hope we’re both right.
MB, agree.

D3

February 19th, 2013
8:56 pm

One last little tidbit before pillow, and a good one in my opinion……….

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/19/falcons-dont-plan-to-use-the-franchise-tag/

As the second day of the franchise-tag fortnight comes to a conclusion, no tags have been applied.

And more than a few teams reportedly are inclined to keep it that way.

The latest no-tag team is the Falcons. According to Ian Rapoport of NFL Network, the Falcons aren’t expected to use the franchise tag on any of the team’s upcoming free agents.

This means that cornerback Brent Grimes, tagged in 2012, will hit the market. As will tackle Sam Baker and safety William Moore (pictured).

That said, the Falcons retain exclusive negotiating rights as to all of their free agents until March 9, at which time a three-day legal tampering window opens.

Of course, plenty of illegal tampering has been and will be happening.

Good call, IMO. Franchise tags don’t do anything but piss players off. If it’s someone you want to keep, than do everything in your power to keep them. If not, than take the compensatory pick and move on. Grimes was a little different, with his “taking himself out of the playoff game to prevent injury to get a big payday for him and Miko” garbage. I think we used one on Michael Koenen, a punter as well.

Unca' Bob

February 19th, 2013
8:58 pm

D3,

Didn’t see Hawley on what list?

SeminoleWarrior

February 19th, 2013
9:04 pm

The TeePee will stand firm on its statements.

An inept pass rush. Linebacker coverage skills that resemble the finest Swiss cheese.
Rush defense that is suspect too often. Third down conversion rates against the defense that are among the league’s worse. But a damned TE is our number one priority? Stupid as hell!!

This team has far more pressing needs than spending an excessive amount of time chasing down a future Hall of Famer for one more round? It was not the TeePee that stated that the TE of the future was already on our roster? Clearly, they, the front office, do not have the faith they are trying to sell to us as it relates to this player.

Here is what was said of a certain TE listed on the Falcons roster right now….

6′6″ 250 pounds

Rare size potential for the position. Athletic enough to line up in a variety of positions, including split out wide, in motion or along the line of scrimmage. Good initial quickness off the snap. Has the lateral agility to avoid the jam at the line and get a clean release into his route. Uses his hands well in this area to break free from defenders when initially challenged. Good lateral quickness and body control to gain separation from defenders. Good balance and body control to make the acrobatic reception with defenders draped over him. Can make the tough catch in traffic and looks to get upfield to gain extra yardage. Reliable hands. Generally looks the ball into his hands to make the secure reception, but will trap the ball against his body when he anticipates a big hit. More physical as a blocker than you’d expect for a tight end split wide as often as he is. Provides a good initial jolt to the defender when blocking and gives good effort to sustain his blocks.

With a skill set like that and you are now calling him the future of the position, I ask one simple thing?Why not roll with him?

PS: The TE described above is not TG88.

D3

February 19th, 2013
9:06 pm

UB — not sure. I put the point up to highlight the part about Nicholas.

Unca' Bob

February 19th, 2013
9:10 pm

SeminoleWarrior,

You need to get over yourself.

SeminoleWarrior

February 19th, 2013
9:11 pm

Now, if a description like that can be used to draft a kid in the first round and plug him into the mix as a starter from day one, why can it not be used for one that is currently on your roster, has some NFL experience all ready, and is 10 years younger than the incumbent starter who just a month ago was 95% sure he was retiring.

SeminoleWarrior

February 19th, 2013
9:13 pm

UB, you may be right but I am just not feeling this move. Sorry, friend.

Unca' Bob

February 19th, 2013
9:13 pm

D3,

Hate it when you tease me!

SeminoleWarrior

February 19th, 2013
9:13 pm

But hey, I have been out there in left field alone in the past so it is nothing new to me.

Unca' Bob

February 19th, 2013
9:20 pm

SeminoleWarrior

Here’s the fun thing, you don’t have to. I’m sure it’s me , but, as of late, you have seemed to have gone off on tirades that do not seem to be consistant from MY Warrior of old. I’m sure it’s just me.

falcon21

February 19th, 2013
9:22 pm

We have a so so o-line and TG and Matt make them look better than they actually are. TG knows how to get open and Matt knows it, security blanket or not, Matt is doing all he can do with what little time he is getting to do it. I have no problem with drafting another o-liman in the first round but I had rather get a monster at DT if our o-line were better.If if if!

Unca' Bob

February 19th, 2013
9:25 pm

OK. I’m cramping up and I have PMS. Mydol.

Big Ray

February 19th, 2013
9:43 pm

Tony G. is not hindering this team in anything at all.

If there is a hindrance of any sort involving Tony G, it is involving the team’s willful and cloying reluctance to stop clinging to a player and start thinking “attack” at all times.

Therein lies the larger issue. This team has been building an offensive attack for years, but has never really branched out in more than one direction at any given time with any significant level of committment.

We saw this with Turner, staying with THAT kind of attack for longer than it was effective. We saw it when trading for the right to draft Julio, but then not finding ways to use him right away. We saw it when drafting Rodgers, but then STILL not using nearly enough in many situations/scenarios/opportunities. We see it in the contrast of OL player types versus the scheme they run. We see it in the routes/plays used in contrast with the skill personnel types we have.

DISCONNECT ?

Nah. No such thing. What makes you think that ?

Big Ray

February 19th, 2013
9:44 pm

Unca Bob ,

If YOU’RE cramping, then full blown on the effin’ rag. Tired of reading about GD tight ends.

Matty Bicep

February 19th, 2013
9:57 pm

We went 13-3, got tho the NFC championship, yet, we are dysfunctional, disconnected, and on the brink of collapse…..why do I feel like I am watching Oprah? Maybe Smitty and TD need to hug it out and call in dr Phil.

Matty Bicep

February 19th, 2013
10:00 pm

13-3, 1 play away from the SB, yet that is proof we are disconnected, dysfunctional and on he brink of collapse….are we on Oprah? Do we need to call in Dr Phil?

The Time is NOW

February 19th, 2013
10:32 pm

Regarding the tight end position, it surely seems possible that the Falcons would want to keep other teams guessing – right up until the moment we pick – whether or not we are really interested in either of the top 2 TE’s.

Not so coincidentally,public uncertainty over TG’s status plays into the Falcons’ hands in terms of keeping the other teams guessing. Sometimes people will make it worth your while not to draft a player you really didn’t want to draft anyway.

Big Ray

February 20th, 2013
1:08 am

Meant to say that I am on the rag….

marko

February 20th, 2013
6:58 am

If I were the Falcons I’d avoid forcing a pick a on defensive end. It’s obviously a position of need, but I see no way that we’d not be reaching at 30. If we’re going to be stubborn about it, There’s no doubt in my mind that I’d select Margus Hunt. He carries the infamous boom or bust label. I’m inclined to believe he’s got a lot more potential for boom than bust. His physical gifts are clearly undeniable. On the negative side, there is the annoying fact that he really doesn’t know how to play football. So the main question becomes can he be taught the techniques he’ll need to succeed? He’s the current world junior Olympics record holder in the discus. Those familiar with the track and fields muscle events, discus, hammer and shot put, know that to master any one event you have to be big and strong. That said, big and strong by itself aint good enough. It requires careful attention to technique. The question to me becomes, does Margus possess a firm grasp of English. If he understands the words coming out of our mouths, he can be taught.

E43

February 20th, 2013
8:02 am

I cant see the falcons switching to a 3-4 because of Mike Smith. It would make him absolutely hopeless on the sideline. Im pretty sure they’ll work on the 4-3 hybrid solely because both Nolan and Smith have experience with it.

E43

February 20th, 2013
8:10 am

They way the Falcons develop, it makes sense to me to use higher picks on positions that are already stacked like CB. Kid wont see see the field immediately anyway. might as well hope for our other picks to turn out to be gems. When that happens, employ the same strategy. Better than waiting for a kid to mature and he never does Ala…. Never mind.. The rookie would have guys to learn from.or keep pressure off of them.

SOMEBODY NEEDS TO TELL THE TRUTH

February 20th, 2013
8:27 am

SW, 2-19-2013, 9:13pm Post: “But hey, I have been out there in left field alone in the past so it is nothing new to me”. SW

Hey SW, you’re not alone in the out-field…I’m in centerfield right along side ya. I’ll cover the ground you can’t reach on the tightend fiasco, currently in “process” at the Branch. I’ve read all your post on this matter, IMO, your comments are those of a fan that’s passionate about the direction in which you think the franchise should take to continue strenthening the core of the team for years to come, not for a so called “one last hurrah” season with Gonzales.

I wouldn’t confuse your passion, with that of tirade. I like reading your comments, they are measured…and informative.

Joshua malavenda

February 20th, 2013
9:37 am

On the te issue;

Gonzo is coming back for one more year in Red and black.

zbulldawg

February 20th, 2013
9:53 am

I think they should decide now to make the move to the 3 4. Put the players in position that you have now Remove the ones that don’t fit it & move on. Forget about a TE in this daft & fill the holes on the defense through the daft now. These young players coming out of college today are far better than the vets that you will let go. One player I feel would be a good bargin would be Sanders Cummings out of UGA. He can play all DB positions now. I also felt they missed out when they didn’t grap Randell Cobb awhile back. So this time we should focus on a returner to keep our starters from doing that. Their are teams that take young defensive players & they have suscess early Packers, Seahawks, 49ers ETC. There are so many defensive Lineman in this years draft it’s hard to believe you can’t rebuild this line without suscess. Every year there is no name RB’s coming out & making a bang early. The speed of the game has passed Turner by.It’s time to quit looking toward free agents to finish building this team

Hamp

February 20th, 2013
10:37 am

With it being hard these days to find a dominate pass rusher in the draft because no lets those players go to free agency. I would change to 3-4. I would draft the best NG you could find. Start spoon dent and bierman. put babs and matthews up front. I believe sidbury and massiquoi would be a good olb. I believe with one or two piecies in the draft we could be a really good 3-4. Look at what nolan had in Miami a bunch of no names and his defenses were pretty good.

D3

February 20th, 2013
10:40 am

Great Wednesday Cage!

So, despite earlier reports from last night saying the Falcons won’t use the franchise tag, it appears they haven’t “ruled it out.” I guess I’m mixed. On one hand, if they feel that Moore is simply going to go get the biggest payday possible (only takes one team) and not really care about going to a winning team, than I suppose they would tag him for no other reason than give them a year to find a replacement somehow or some way. There’s quite a few candidates who I’d be happy with replacing him with (Jarius Byrd, Kenny Phillips, Dashon Goldson) if they aren’t tagged.

Contrary to earlier reports, Profootballtalk.com reports the Falcons have not ruled out using the franchise tag, and that free agent SS William Moore is the “most obvious candidate.”
Moore is one of the more obvious franchise-tag candidates in the league, as he has a checkered injury history, reportedly wants to test the open market and the tag for safeties is reasonably priced ($6.798 million). Whatever future reports suggest, there’s a good chance Moore will be tagged between now and the March 4 deadline.

We can assume that if he’s tagged, than he’ll be as good as gone next year. Well, can’t say that TD would make the worst move considering how much time he’s missed the last few years. Little disappointed to be honest. Thought Moore would be a franchise type of guy. Sounds like I may have been wrong.

D3

February 20th, 2013
10:41 am

zabulldawg / Hamp — Good points. Thanks for joining us here in the off-season.

SeminoleWarrior

February 20th, 2013
10:46 am

Good morning, Cage.

Truth, thanks for the comments.

My Favorite Gunny,

I am still the Warrior that you have come to know and care about. And that will never change.

You are correct. My tone has changed dramatically since I sat in section 209 in January. It has a lot to do with the failures, the REPEAT failures, that this team continues to display at the most critical of times.

It is deeply personal, perhaps too personal, for this time, the better team beat itself too darn often. The better team, our team, cost itself the dreamfor which we all have been awaiting. The Peachtree Parade.

There were numerous exposures and shortcomings that I will not re-address here. What hurt the most were they were the SAME ones that we all heard the Branch, with such passion supposedly, sit there last January after the Giants debacle and say we would not tolerate again. Yet, the beat did not change.

You are correct, friend. My comments have been personal and at times, stinging. But my brother, each of them has been rooted in truth and relevance. The Falcons, IMHO, are not chosing a wise path for the future.

I am still your brother…your Warrior. You would not want me to lie and not tell the truth. You would not want me to facilitate a conversation that at least provokes thought. It is who I am. It is your and my old friend, the Warrior.

I promise you thought I will always do it with tact and grace. I owe that to D3, to myself, and to all that I consider friends in this forum.

Thanks for your comments….we are always united. Semper Fi.

Screen Pass

February 20th, 2013
11:01 am

“We can assume that if he’s tagged, than he’ll be as good as gone next year. Well, can’t say that TD would make the worst move considering how much time he’s missed the last few years. Little disappointed to be honest. Thought Moore would be a franchise type of guy. Sounds like I may have been wrong.” – D3

If tagging him for a year to allow us to react to his departure is the correct move then so be it. I like Moore, I like the IDEA of Moore even better. However, due to his constant injuries and thus missing alot of gametime his total impact on the team has been greatly reduced. If he leaves so be it, he is not irreplaceable and we could actually get someone who can play an entire season lol. We are gonna have to get used to big changes in personnel coming up, sucks to lose players one likes but it is how things work.
The combine is finally here so we can start to get an idea of who is what and how we can star to fix things. Maybe you could pull up some of last years draft ideas and see what got fixed and what didn’t. Seems to me we got all the same problems as we usually do. I believe you wanted K. Osmele which turns out might be the winner for hindsight draft winner from last year.

SeminoleWarrior

February 20th, 2013
11:04 am

D3, please help me understand it because I sure as hell can not.

Another case of not being prepared and/or being proactive.

SeminoleWarrior

February 20th, 2013
11:06 am

SP, very good comments. What’s up bro?

Screen Pass

February 20th, 2013
11:14 am

“SP, very good comments. What’s up bro?” – SW

I’m still above ground so I guess I’m still fast enough :) . I’m coming off a nice little refresher break so I’ll start to be around a bit more. I look forward to doing the draft with all you guys once again. I asked you about FSU’s backfield guys awhile back but prolly got buried. I believe Pryor is a FB that looks good for a late round option and Chris Johnson? as a feature back type. I only watched a brief bit of film on these guys but they looked ok for possibly a later round gamble…you are the resident FSU expert so wondered about your opinion in regards to them.

SeminoleWarrior

February 20th, 2013
11:18 am

SP

Pryor is a nice late round selection as you have noted. Thompson has had a lot of injuries of late and I personally would love to see him just shut it down; I think he would make a fine GA or young coach though.

SeminoleWarrior

February 20th, 2013
11:20 am

Glad to have you back, bro.

Die Hard Falcon

February 20th, 2013
12:35 pm

I am hoping we can find a way to sign Moore to a 3 or 4 year deal, I guess franchising him would only postpone the inevitable, but I am not against it, I just want him in black and red, he’s my favorite Falcon on defense and I would hate to see him go elsewhere, I just hope that he doesn’t break the bank on us, he’s been too often injured to demand top $ at the position, but perception around the league seems to be that he’s top 2 or 3 safeties not locked up w/ their current teams.
I just wish the Falcons could be consistent on defense, I am thinking that if we can find a mammoth NT, then we have better pieces for a 3-4 than the 4-3, just need to see if the branch feels the same, I know from Nolan’s comments in the past that he thinks we’d be better off.

Go Falcons!!!

D3

February 20th, 2013
12:55 pm

Woweeeeeeeeee…………..

Great advice from one of our leaders. I’m sure he’s telling Brent Grimes and William Moore the exact same thing.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/20/asante-samuel-urges-wes-welker-to-chase-the-money/

Thanks Asante!

SeminoleWarrior

February 20th, 2013
1:27 pm

Very interesting….

D3

February 20th, 2013
2:21 pm

RE: William Moore…..

I really hope that all this is just hear-say about William Moore and the open market, but just as the organizations say “it’s a business,” it certainly is on the player’s end as well. You can’t blame players for obviously wanting their due (well, I kinda can because I can’t fathom what it would mean to make even $1 million dollars much less, 5, 6, or 10, but I digress).

I totally concur with the belief that franchise tags usually don’t work out for keeping the player there. On one hand, if that’s the only way we could keep Moore for a year while we figure out how to replace him, than so be it, but you hate to lose someone who’s not only a big part of your defense, but one of the few to build around.

The part, if true, about Moore that bugs me a little bit is the fact that Dimitroff and Co. have always been absolutely fair in their negotiations and always paid their players what their worth and maybe a little more. We have no knowledge of what’s actually going on, save that one report from the St. Louis writer, but if it’s true than that’s a little weak on Moore’s part to just want to test free agency just because instead of seeing what the Falcons could first offer.

To be honest, the free agent market for Safeties looks like a strong one (assuming they all escape the tags) and I’d rather go ahead and just get one of those guys than go through the tag mess. But if that’s all you got in your tool bag, than so be it.

D3

February 20th, 2013
2:24 pm

Die Hard Falcon

February 20th, 2013
2:55 pm

I am salivating w/ anticipation. I hope that the FA period is good to us, not that I expect us to do much of anything, w/ regards to going after other FA’s, but I am curious to see what we do w/ our own (Moore, Baker, etc.). Also, I am curious to see if they cut Turner or Robinson, I am hoping to have a reason to smile and hope about 2013 season, I guess I’ll have to wait for now and speculate until I’m sick.

Go Falcons!!!

D3

February 20th, 2013
3:08 pm

For those of you / us that think it’s high time for TG to decide here soon, you’re not alone…….

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1535700-tony-gonzalez-must-decide-quickly-if-hes-returning-to-the-atlanta-falcons

Matty Bicep

February 20th, 2013
3:19 pm

It is easy to be critical of a players “greed’, but they are one play away from retirement, and unlike other team sports, their contracts are not guaranteed.

Truthfully, for the amount of wear and tear they put on their bodies, and the lack of security they have when compared to less popular, less revenue generating team sports, overall they do get a pretty raw deal.

Only a small percentage get to the position of William Moore, I can’t blame them for taking advantage, they need to strike when the iron is hot.

Baseball and Basketball take pretty good care of their guys, so I do feel a little offended when they take advantage, but in football, they will cut you in a heartbeat, and all you have is what you got when you had the chance to negotiate.

The Fans? Ha, we will turn on them in a heartbeat if they so much as make a mistake in a critical juncture, Mr Samuel is correct, they got to put themselves and their family above all else.

LRD

February 20th, 2013
3:35 pm

Howdy Cage. Moore.. Tag is what… 6.5M. Seeing he only played 12 games last year is he worth the @550k a game? Could we not use that money elsewhere for a player less injury prone.
Just trying to be realistic. I think our D plays better with Moore back there. DeCoud plays better with Moore back there. But why do I have this sinking feeling we will see with Moore what we saw with Grimes.. forcing the falcons to put a tag on them, only to probably lose them due to injury. The potential for that happening are very high looking at Moore’s health since being signed.

TE: Cmon. I want Tony back, but I will scream my head off if we draft TE and not D first.

Smitty's Lawyer

February 20th, 2013
3:40 pm

Poor, poor pitiful NFL players that play a sport and get paid MILLIONS of dollars. Those sorry @ss average Americans who work $—y jobs to provide for themselves and their families and get laid off, get their wages cut, get screwed at pretty much every turn in our society are the real welfare queens.

The VAST majority of Americans will never make in a lifetime what some of these guys make in a few weeks. And you’re playing professional sports, not curing cancer or solving global poverty.

D3

February 20th, 2013
3:47 pm

LRD — Where you been man. Have you gotten over the playoff hangover yet? As much as I hate to admit it (really the fact that I got a custom Moore t-shirt that will look silly if and when he leaves), you are dead on. I too have the feeling that we’re going to see the same stuff as with Grimes. Hopefully not, but it’s looking that way. What bothers me most is (if true) he not even giving the Falcons #1) first right of refusal, #2) the benefit of the doubt, and #3) most importantly the belief that TD and Co. have always been fair, balanced, and given every player they felt worthy what they were worth and more. Sadly, looks like we may be looking at Grimes 2.0. (Dammit, I knew not to get a custom shirt of someone on defense other than Spoon!).

Smitty’s — Agreed.

JB Falcon

February 20th, 2013
3:55 pm

LRD, that rumor about Moore was started by some guy in St. Louis without any documentation what so ever. The following words are from William Moore.
“Me, personally, the best thing that I’ve got going for myself is that I play because I love the game,” Moore said. “I’m not just saying that because it’s the right thing to say, but I really love the game. I don’t focus on contracts or how much money is being paid. That’s all a bonus because just playing right now is all that I ask for.”

Matty Bicep

February 20th, 2013
3:59 pm

Smitty, never said life if fair, just said I don’t blame the guys, that is who I pay to see, not freaking Roger Goodall.

Matty Bicep

February 20th, 2013
4:01 pm

Dammit, I knew not to get a custom shirt of someone on defense other than Spoon!).

LOL, getcha a Roger Goodall one, evidently he is DA man.

Matty Bicep

February 20th, 2013
4:06 pm

But I do agree that overall, the Falcons are a class act, and I could justify in my mind taking a slight discount to not have to uproot, etc, but…..If I looked in an saw my name on the back of all those Jerseys and did not see a dime of that money, then saw Mr Goodall bank 29 mil…..I am not so sure you would feel as you think you would either…..

Matty Bicep

February 20th, 2013
4:09 pm

Anyway, I hope Moore does stick around, I hate to lose guys we drafted just as they are coming onto their own….hopefully it is all posturing and he wants to stay.

Big Ray

February 20th, 2013
4:49 pm

Well the combine is this weekend, so we at least have that to look forward to.

Big Ray

February 20th, 2013
4:56 pm

The issue I have with Margus Hunt and his massive potential is partially rooted in how well he fits this CS and this defensive scheme.

Honestly, we don’t know what our defensive scheme is right now. And equally honestly, this is a guy you have to try things with, to mold. You go according to his strengths, once you know what these are.

From what I’ve seen, this regime wouldn’t know how to pick a DE, much less develop him. I have no proof otherwise. Abe is easily the best we’ve seen here since Patrick Kearney and he wasn’t picked up by this regime.

No Margus Hunt for me. No Eddie Lacy, either. Not in the first round, anyway.

Big O

February 20th, 2013
5:06 pm

The Falcons MUST focus on the DL & LB positions for existing roster player development; and, this year’s draft.
I agree, Sidbury must have kicked Mike Smith’s dog and Mike’s wife witnessed it. Despite years of drafting effort, finding good DEs has not happened, but the roster does contain a promising bunch of 3-4 LBs. Enter Biermann, Sidbury, Massaquoi, and Matthews. These 4 guys are too small to play NFL DE. We know Biermann is a LB upgrade. With his speed, athleticism, and size, I don’t see how Sidbury wouldn’t be a LB upgrade also. Focus more on player development by giving these 4 guys lots of playing time, winning just enough games to make the playoffs(10 to 12), and draft a DT like Bulldog 350 lb Jonathon Jenkins in the 1st round and perhaps another large DT in the 2nd or 3rd round. Go for a RB in the 2nd or 4th round. After that draft the best TE available – maybe Cincinnati’s Kelse.

Paddy O

February 20th, 2013
5:17 pm

I think we have a disconnect here in the cage. if we think the Falcon brain trust is sitting beside a phone, or hugging their cell, waiting for Tony G to call and doing nothing else, that is a bit foolish. I agree with SW – DO NOT DRAFT A TE in the 1st 3 rounds – Tony G or no. We are better with Tony G on the team; so, i hope he stays around. But, if he goes , Palmer and Coffman can man the slot adequately. If Tony G retires, we might draft a usable TE Rd 4 of after. I still see our draft preferences the same: nose tackle 3-4 DT; LB, RB; then really another LB, CB, S and then maybe a developmental TE. Coffman can catch. He made a great on in the playoffs – which from my angle in the Dome I thought it was Tony G or RW.

Paddy O

February 20th, 2013
5:19 pm

time is NOW has an excellent point – even if Tony G says stay or go, why announce prior to draft? if folks think we need a TE, they wont draft what we are really after.

Paddy O

February 20th, 2013
5:25 pm

what are the odds the Falcons again go all out and attempt to sing Wes Welker to play slot? that would make the team far more dynamic, and might be a good way to compensate if Tony G does retire. We could then make HD the fulltime kick returner. How much will Welker demand? 7 mil a year?

Paddy O

February 20th, 2013
5:26 pm

I’d like a 325+ nose tackle. One who is agile at 350 and super strong would be hard to deny that temptation.

Matty Bicep

February 20th, 2013
5:41 pm

I thought about Welker, but he can sign probably for 16 mil 2 yr in NE, not sure he is worth more than that….how about some picks for Harvin….

marko

February 20th, 2013
5:59 pm

Big Ray, I haven’t waivered. My choice is still the best big butt available. Jenkins would be my first choice, then Short, or Williams. All three would add size and the ability to crush the pocket from the interior. Do you anticipate a but? Here it comes, but if they insist on going Defensive end, Margus is my guy. He’s very close to being the all time record holder for blocked field goals. That’s not just workout warrior stuff that’s a solid accomplishment. Vernon Gholson showed up at Indy ran supersonic 40’s benched Rhode Island and broad jumped the Mississippi. It Kind of made you wonder why none of those remarkable talents came across on film. I guess it’s because Vernon’s a great athlete that just happens to be a lousy football player.

Help me out on this, didn’t the Jet’s use a top five pick on Gholson? All I can say about Margus is that I’ve got a hunch about the kid. Nobody would be more amazed than me if The Falcons picked him. Just the same, He’s in my memory bank, and I’m going to keep up with him because I’m expecting big things from the big Estonian. If I’m wrong , I was gambling with the thirtieth pick, and not the fifth.I really don’t see it as big a gamble as the Five for one Julio deal.

JB Falcon

February 20th, 2013
7:50 pm

Speculation is a blast! 6″7″. 378 lbs, 4.7 40, has only played football for one year! Yep, don’t remember where I read that but he is from Ethiopia or something like that.

Unca' Bob

February 20th, 2013
8:30 pm

SeminoleWarrior

February 20th, 2013
10:46 am

Just caught your reply. A lot of thought provoking points. If you will, I will reread this and reply tommorow.

PS and by the way…there is nothing you can state as your opinion that could ever, ever change my thoughts about you. Semper Fi my friend.

LRD

February 20th, 2013
9:23 pm

D3. hey now. Been dealing with work and sick kids, so havent had much time to get in the cage.

Moore vs Grimes… well one thing, Moore doesnt have an attack dog acting as his agent. So at least that is there.

I would love to see us pick up a huge Grady type to put in the middle to free up Babs a bit.. plus as we all know Babs aint getting younger.

LRD

February 20th, 2013
9:24 pm

Off topic. can the hawks keep this up and actually beat the heat?

falcon21

February 20th, 2013
9:32 pm

LRD, I wish they could but I don’t think it will happen. They will probably fold.

LRD

February 20th, 2013
9:43 pm

F21 they showed Roddy and Julio at the game. Hawks looking good.

Watching on and off the 15 min of highlights of Ryan this season.. and man o man I cannot wait for Camp to open.

falcon21

February 20th, 2013
9:56 pm

With you on can’t wait for camp to open LRD! And the Hawks are hanging tough.

falcon21

February 20th, 2013
9:58 pm

Dang, a 10 point lead down to 1, wow!

LRD

February 20th, 2013
10:12 pm

wow….game just ran away on them.

Big Ray

February 21st, 2013
12:16 am

Marko ,

It’s just my personal opinion on drafting a DE in the first round in general, let alone one who will be a project. Has nothing to do with Mr. Hunt, something I made mention of in an earlier post.

Mr. Hunt’s progression will be a thing of interest I’m sure. Let me know how it goes, I have no personal intererest invested in him and that’s no knock on the guy….I’m not looking at ANY of the DEs right now.

Big Ray

February 21st, 2013
12:19 am

But now that my attention is ever so slightly diverted in Mr. Hunt’s direction….I sure hope somebody trains him WELL to bend those knees before somebody takes them out for him.

SeminoleWarrior

February 21st, 2013
10:01 am

What’s up Cage Family

The TeePee staff and the Cocoa are heading to the airport where the G4 is awaiting for the cruise up to Indy for the Combine. Going to be an interest next five days or so as we try to begin the final leg of analysis ans evaluation leading up the the release of the annual TeePee Sports ATL Falcons mock draft big board.

BR, I am riding side by side with you. The TeePee will not have a defensive end in the mix this year. Simply not feeling one in this draft. Actually, I agree with you. Why bring in another project when we have so many in the fold (untapped potential) already.

My Favorite Gunny, Semper Fi now, always, and forever.

SeminoleWarrior

February 21st, 2013
10:05 am

Oops…try this again…lol

Going to be an interesingt next five days or so as we try to begin the final leg of analysis and evaluation leading up the the release of the annual TeePee Sports ATL Falcons mock draft big board.

SeminoleWarrior

February 21st, 2013
10:45 am

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Roddy-White-making-a-pitch-for-Dwight-Freeney-to-join-Falcons.html

Probably the best tweet that RW84 has released in a long time. But unfortunately, it is yet another band aid approach to a serious, long term concern.

D3

February 21st, 2013
10:59 am

shannyeight

February 21st, 2013
12:18 pm

I would like to see the defense make the switch to 3-4…and their first priority should be to draft a DE in the first round. I should not see them drafting a TE or a RB until the 4th or 5th round. I also agree that we need another LB to compliment Spoon. For right now, I liked how Dent developed- I’d say give him another training camp to see if he improves. Concensus says that Nicholas needs to go…if they can get a consummate hard-hitting, speedy, athletic LB then I’m all for it.

I would also like to see them try to develop Matthews & Massoquai further than the 1st season…like to see them really push Sidbury(hopefully not out the door..lol).

The secondary is okay, but for people opting to cut Robinson over Samuel- yeah Asante has motivated this group, but he at times tends to be a liability himself(missed tackles, trying to play games with a jacked up shoulder). I would cut Owens before I let Grimes walk…to keep Owens, he REALLY has to step his play up- even more so than last year. I hope the Falcons can keep Moore- he was one of the few bright spots of the team last season.