Your Thoughts on Falcons Trade for Asante Samuel?

Welcome to Atlanta, Mr. Samuel! (AP)

There’s not to much to write about since this breaking news, but several outlets have confirmed that the Atlanta Falcons have traded a late round pick (according to NFL sources) for 4 Time Pro Bowl cornerback Asante Samuel. Here’s the news according to Albert Breer of NFL Network…..

The Philadelphia Eagles agreed to trade cornerback Asante Samuel to the Atlanta Falcons on Wednesday, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

It’s not yet known what the Falcons will send the Eagles in return for the nine-year veteran.As part of the trade, Samuel and the Falcons have agreed to terms on a three-year, $18.5 million deal.

Samuel had to rework the final two years of his existing contract — which were not guaranteed in the first place — before the deal could be agreed upon. Samuel was set to make $21.5 million over the next two seasons, and he would count for more than $8 million against the salary cap.

It’s also been reported that the Falcons gave up a 6th round pick for Samuel.

Obviously, several questions come into play here and we’ll leave it up to our Bird Cage Patriots to dive in and answer them…..

  1. Is there any way Thomas Dimitroff and the Falcons can afford to keep Dunta Robinson, Brent Grimes, and Asante Samuel for 2012 and beyond?
  2. How will Dimitroff clear enough cap space to accommodate Grimes $10+ million dollar salary and Samuel’s new contract?
  3. If players need to be cut, who should the Falcons target first?
  4. Is it just a matter of time before Dimitroff looks to trade Brent Grimes to another team?
  5. Will Dimitroff and the Falcons coaching staff use 2012 to determine which CB has a future in Atlanta between Grimes and Dunta Robinson?
  6. How does this affect the draft in two days?

Have fun…………..

253 comments Add your comment

Duce88

April 25th, 2012
3:32 pm

Great pick-up, will help our secondary tremendously

Screen Pass

April 25th, 2012
3:32 pm

““TD has already figured in some major monetary cuts to pay for all this. Some pretty big names will be off this Falcons roster very soon, imo. Baker for sure, maybe Ovie. Who else??” – JW

Well, one big thing is hopefully we can quit wasting a low pick in mocks on Tru J. Guy didn’t look good on film, not good enough for a low round pick anyways. We will find out soon enough if TD dealt amicably with Miko or she tried to bone us. There is a small chance TD was being crafty and “forcing” a move but I don’t see that. He would have to be really dumb to not rescind the tag before letting Asante talk spill out which means he knew the tag was coming and their is a plan in place. IF Grimes isn’t traded soon to recoup the picks to the Iggles then either Miko boned us or we are keeping Grimes. Dunta restructured and gives us man press options so I can’t see him being the trade bait.

This is taken from last thread to get the discussion going. Sounded like a trained monkey bit F3…DISCUSS!!!

Screen Pass

April 25th, 2012
3:35 pm

“How does this affect the draft in two days?” – D3

Not a bit for me. M. Kendricks in the 2nd, Pead in the 3rd..rest is gravy.

just me

April 25th, 2012
3:36 pm

Anyone think TD will trade either DR or Grimey for a draft pick this weekend?

Bob

April 25th, 2012
3:36 pm

Not sure how anyone can look as this Asante move as anything short of extremely fortuitous.

Nolan loves having a corner play off technique, something Samuel excels at. Samuel will clearly help the D become more “explosive” (turnovers are the single most impactful play in the game).

Meanwhile, Dunta will stay on the tight side, allowing him to keep playing to one of his strengths: run support.

Finally, Grimes moves into the starting nickel, something we had hoped for anyway and that his skills, and frankly lack of size, make him better suited for. In addition, while Grimes is grossly expensive this year, this move continues to erode his negotiating power and likely weakens his prospective value on the free market next year, making any decision to not pursue a long-term deal this spring an even riskier proposition.

Disclaimer: same thing I posed on the previous blog.

As this move indicates, Nolan wasn’t just waxing poetic: he obviously views base nickel formations as the future that the league is inevitably moving toward.

Apart from the salary considerations, which will work themselves out one way or another, where is the downside?

PMC

April 25th, 2012
3:37 pm

It frees them up to go BPA. They look for these types of deals so the don’t have to draft needs only

D3

April 25th, 2012
3:43 pm

If TD does in fact plan on keeping all 3, than I would have to think Baker and Ovie are the big targets, especially Ovie. Cutting both players would clear approximately (according to Spotrac.com) $6,409,583. Obviously, we won’t miss Ovie that much, but what is their plan to replace Baker at LT, at least for competition if nothing else? Is TD planning on taking the best available OT in a few days in the 2nd round (Mitchell Schwartz, Kelechi Osemele, Donald Stephenson) or are there other ways to get under the cap?

I surely don’t know the specifics of the deal yet, but 3 years, $18.5 million says to me that TD just said “Asante Samuel is our definitive starting cornerback for the next 2-3 years…….period.” What that in turn says to me is that, assuming he can keep all 3 for 2012 (potentially heavily backloading Asante’s deal to 2013 and 2014), than this season will be an open competition between DRob and Grimes to see who will be in the Falcons future.

I also have no idea how franchise tags, signing franchise tenders, and trades work, but I would have to assume that since we tagged Grimes for $10+ million and he signed it, that he will in fact receive that salary, regardless of where he goes. I would also think that any team that traded for him could have until July 15th (?) to work out a long-term deal and negate the tag. Honestly, there’s a ton of stuff I don’t know.

But what I do know is this: The Atlanta Falcons just locked up one of the best cornerbacks in the league for 3 years at a very reasonable price for a 6th round draft pick (reportedly).

Jimmy Crack

April 25th, 2012
3:45 pm

This is really good news for a stagnant offseason. a great pick up. With our new nickel package buzzing around and Nolan’s schemes having the freedom to blitz from ANY position, we can finally overcome our perennially underachieving pass rush. If Edwards works out his “kinks” and gives us between 6-10 sacks this season (not unrealistic) and Abe can stay healthy and do his normal thing, we will be a formidable defense…………FINALLY!

D3

April 25th, 2012
3:47 pm

SP — You’re OK with lines the way they are? Can’t say I disagree with those picks. Very good actually. I know you’ve said this before, but what happens to Quizz if we draft Pead. Are they not too similar?

(+) — Once again, Dimitroff has made his Free Agency Strike (even though it was a trade, but still). This is very similar to the Tony Gonzalez deal occurring right before the draft. Certainly, safety and CB have been dropped way off the radar.

(+) — Another thing to ponder: who gets the axe in the secondary: Owens, Walls? Or will Nolan decide to roll with 6 CB’s, 3 safeties, and cross-train someone like Dunta?

Marcus

April 25th, 2012
3:51 pm

agree w/PMC @ 3:37 pm. Somebody is on the chopping block, whether its D. Franks, C. Owens, D. Walls ….
Can’t wait ’til Friday!!!! who we gonna get?!?!?

Screen Pass

April 25th, 2012
3:53 pm

“Is it just a matter of time before Dimitroff looks to trade Brent Grimes to another team?” – D3

It should be unless TD plans to clear house by trading some other positional high priced vets. Mugs, Turner, and Baker are the obvious choices with the Bierrtruck and few other mid-cost small role players as big maybes. Turner might get a late pick to help recoup the Iggles pick but with all the FA still on the market I doubt that. Baker? Who in the hell would give anything and if someone did or he was cut we better have Collins or McNeil on speeddial. We have zero LT depth and unless the Stanford guy makes a dream fall don’t expect one in the draft. Mugs? Love the guy but not a position of great importance, injury, and he is expensive. Mugs is prolly going. Bierrtruck? D3 killed him off with his small school find Adrien Robinson ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31_YMLrudQs&feature=player_embedded# ) if the teams wants a better blitzer and special teams monster for alot cheaper. If Miko did try to bone us I can’t see keeping her after she refused to play in the playoff game and pulls a potential deal killer in FA. If the Miko tag was amicable and planned then expect Grimes to be traded fast or stay more than likely.

Big Lou

April 25th, 2012
3:54 pm

What’s with all the bs on Grimes?

So what if he asked for more money? The guy is a playmaker. Remember 2010 before he was injured? Without him, the Falcons wouldn’t have won the division that year.

Anyways, I’m happy to have Grimes, Dunta, and Asante backfield. Everyone worrying about the cap is being insane. TD can do his job just fine without the peanut gallery spewing negativity.

As far as the draft, my mock stays the same.

Anyone thinking a LT will be drafted is ignoring TD and Smitty’s interviews. Baker will be starting next year. I do hope they grab a DT, though.

LRD

April 25th, 2012
3:59 pm

Question: Did not the cage last year debate Asante as potential pick up?

Ovie is going to be the odd man out… But then which player see’s the writing on the wall and maybe wishes to restructure their contract to stay with the falcons as that player knows that not many other teams will be that interested in them>?

Coop

April 25th, 2012
4:04 pm

D3 – Samueal is a great pickup. Whether we let Ovie, Baker, or Grimes go (trade or cut), we’re a better team with Samuel than any of the others. I wanted to trade for him last year.

You know I have no love lost for Grimes, so he can walk, get trade, get cut, whatever. He’s an idiot if he doesn’t try to sign a long term deal. No other team would give him the money he’s looking for. Again, when you can’t sack up to play in the post season, you might as well gas up the dingy and go fishin’ with Fredo, cause you’re dead to me.

As for which CB goes, this can’t be good for Owens. He’s been given more opportunities than Walls or Franks, plus he’s probably more expensive. I like Franks to return kicks this uears as well with Weems gone.

Finally, the draft should be LINEMEN. We have three top flight receivers. We have 3 good to great CBs. We have a franchise QB. We have solid RBs (further, you don’t draft RBs in the 2nd round). We have solid S players. We need a future TE, but that shouldn’t be the priority this year. Maybe in the later rounds (5th?). So, you either target DL, OL or LB (only because you let Lofton walk – which, if they let Lofton walk and draft a LB @ 55, I may strangle a cactus… you only let him walk because you think Dent/Tatupa can handle MLB OR you plan to play Nickel).

So that leaves DL and OL. We resigned Beerman and Abe and there won’t be an impact DE at 55. So you either draft a DT which would be 3 pretyy high draft picks for TD on DT, or you go OL.

At 55, the best LTs will be gone. So in my mind, you’re down to DT, OG, or OC. For my money, give me the next franchise OC…

Ben Jones.

This won’t happena nd I bet we draft a TE or P, but this team MUST invest in their lines. We have all the skill players you could ever need. Open some holes and protect the QB and watch this team blow others out!

Jeff B

April 25th, 2012
4:04 pm

My thoughts? Uh… winning!

Screen Pass

April 25th, 2012
4:05 pm

“SP — You’re OK with lines the way they are? Can’t say I disagree with those picks. Very good actually. I know you’ve said this before, but what happens to Quizz if we draft Pead. Are they not too similar?

Of course not. There is little to no chance of getting a LT that isn’t a developmental flier so FA has to solve LT or go with the turnstyle crew again and pray. I’ll be getting a better version of everyones favorite NT B. Thompson later in the draft. There are plenty and if we can get a 4th for Grimey than that is covered easy. If Zeitler was around he is a rock solid choice for G but we got a ton of those piled up. I don’t see him falling anyways. Pead is a faster and more agile version of Quizz with the same type durability. They can be used on the field together or back each other up in case of injury. If Turner isn’t gone we don’t need a big back sitting on the bench and Pead will not be sitting on the bench in Cooter’s scheme for sure. He or another durable “scat” is a need and Pead is BPA there. I won’t say Pead is an absolute must have as there are other options, he is simply the best one.

JB FALCON

April 25th, 2012
4:06 pm

It would be my guess that TD had this in mind when he put the tag on Grimes in the first place. The Eagles needed to get rid of Samuel and TD wanted him but the Eagles were asking too much. Both teams wanted this to happen and TD knew the Eagles would fold under pressure. So, he waited until the pressure built up and made the right move at the right time. I think it was a well planned and thought out move on TD’s part. He seems to be the kind of guy who thinks a lot further down the road than normal folks, which is a good thing.

robertussen

April 25th, 2012
4:17 pm

Italian Falcon

April 25th, 2012
4:24 pm

As per Kffl source NFL Network we gave Philly our 6th round pick… can someone confirm please?
Thanks!!!

Paddy O

April 25th, 2012
4:38 pm

seems to me that Dunta is moving to safety.

falcons4life

April 25th, 2012
4:39 pm

Interesting that the team didnt want to offer Lofton a big contract because they felt that he wasnt a 3 down LB. Yet now we have a situation where one of these massively paid CB’s will not be a 3 down CB.

I know Nolan loves using a Nickel CB as a LB but that will not be the teams every down formation so we have a CB who will be on the bench a portion of the time. Is this nickel/LB hybrid worth spending 20+ million for 3 CB’s? Will this move cost the teams starting FB? Will Baker, whom Mike Smith stated he was his guy, be a casualty?

This trade cannot be evaluated until all the details are inked. The cost of acquiring Samuel will be much more than just a late draft pick, heads will have to roll.

Having all 3 of these corners on the field while in their nickel/lb package would make the backfield pretty amazing but the cost could be damaging.

Paddy O

April 25th, 2012
4:42 pm

lrd – you are correct – it was discussed about Nnamdi, and if Nnamdi did go to Philly, that would make Asante expendable. We were right, just had the wrong year.

Paddy O

April 25th, 2012
4:44 pm

I can’t see anything but up side to this. I think Owens stays for ST, and Franks now replaces weems. That leaves Walls for further development. The league is quickly transition to pass primacy, the more talent & depth, the better we are.

Joshua Malavenda

April 25th, 2012
4:45 pm

I am estatic about the aquiring of asante samuels finally are defense is starting to look like a defense that brings fear into opposing offenses.

They arent going to get rid of turner or baker this year so that is out of the question. I dont think we will get pead either because we already have the same player on our roster and his name is jaquizz rogers. if we get any rb it would be a player like doug martin but I could allways be wrong.

I would love for them to trade grimes but I think they do what bob said and turn him into the nickle back and I think they will keep all of their corners because of his 5 db in the future comment during his interview.

wow this is the most uncertain I have been about who the falcons will draft in my lifetime. I do know they will draft a dt in the first two rounds but the rest in up in the air.

ahh the the anticipation is killing me cant it be friday allready

Screen Pass

April 25th, 2012
4:45 pm

“At 55, the best LTs will be gone. So in my mind, you’re down to DT, OG, or OC. For my money, give me the next franchise OC…

Ben Jones.” – Coop

I understand the thinking unless you are just being a UGA homer. We have McClure as our starter which means your drafting a backup instead of a starter with a low round pick. A waste of value and time. OC is fairly deep and great vets like Garude are still sitting in FA for cheap. Not a need and I have a good looking developmental in the 7th or UDFA. There is a great chance that both Kendricks and maybe even Pead will be gone before we pick at @55. In that case unless a select few people make a dream fall we trade back from the 2nd to stockpile later draft picks where the value meets the talent of our developmental linepicks. In that scenario B. Jones becomes a more likely pick on my board as he should be a solid developmental no doubt.

falcons4life

April 25th, 2012
4:45 pm

Paddy…..Dunta to safety would make some sense and would keep all 3 of these guys on the field for every defensive snap. That is a solution I did not think of. Thanks for mentioning it.

Big Lou

April 25th, 2012
4:51 pm

“Having all 3 of these corners on the field while in their nickel/lb package would make the backfield pretty amazing but the cost could be damaging.”

Lol. Yeah, 2-3 million cap space will cause us to cut everyone on the team, including Matt Ryan. The Falcons are doomed!

See you guys tomorrow during the draft. Hopefully the darned if we do, darned if we don’t negativity goes away.

falcons4life

April 25th, 2012
5:08 pm

2-3 million? Where are you getting that figure? Team is 1.5 under, which is money needed to sign draft picks. Samuel is a 6 mil a year deal so the team is over 6 million…..how do they pay that and get under the cap…..by either restructuring several deals, cutting players or both.

The cost I speak of is the possibility of losing players to cover the cost. Why you find the reality of this situation as being negative escapes me but this trade isnt truly completed until all the moves are made to adjust the cap.

John Waynesworld

April 25th, 2012
5:09 pm

Gee I must have missed the mock draft. Are we going to mock this town tonight? It’d better be quick.

I’m sorta thinking the order may be…

Indy
Wash
Then a trade?

Big Lou

April 25th, 2012
5:15 pm

Grimes will be restructured to a long deal. Ovie will be cut(not a big loss, IMO), and if the Falcons land Brandon Thompson, Jerry will be cut. Problem solved. Everybody lives happily ever after.

The End.

Falcons management is not going to praise itself on keeping the core…

and then go back on it week later. I bet one person, maybe two will be cut.

Ken Strickland

April 25th, 2012
5:17 pm

Hhttp://bleacherreport.com/articles/1159747-asante-samuel-will-make-the-falcons-a-scary-contender-in-the-nfcere are some pretty strong feelings about what the ASamuel deal with do for the Falcons.

Wabe

April 25th, 2012
5:17 pm

Who’d like to see Dunta get a shot at safety?

Wouldn’t mind seeing it, but doubt it happens.

Regarding the move, again, bettering yourself up front on the D-Line improves the secondary, and bettering the secondary improves the front. I’m stoked to see what this defense will look like.

Ken Strickland

April 25th, 2012
5:17 pm

Big Lou

April 25th, 2012
5:19 pm

falcons4life

The comment wasn’t directed towards you, just a general statement.

I never read your post.

Big Lou

April 25th, 2012
5:22 pm

Never mind, that was your post. Lol

My bad. That’s the booze talking.

Wabe

April 25th, 2012
5:26 pm

I’d rather have an overpaid nickel back than an overpaid fullback…

I love Ovie, but c’mon now, that contract we signed him to was pretty ridiculous.

And it’s obvious at this point with the departure of Lofton and with this acquisition that Nolan intends to use a good chunk of nickel packages. It’s becoming a pass heavy league, and thus you need cover guys.

Big Lou

April 25th, 2012
5:28 pm

“Regarding the move, again, bettering yourself up front on the D-Line improves the secondary, and bettering the secondary improves the front. I’m stoked to see what this defense will look like.” Wabe

Agreed.

Mike Nolan… check.
Sick secondary… check.

All the Falcons need is Edwards to get his sacks up to where he was at the Vikings and the rest of the d line to be a smidgen better… and you’re talking abou a potential, top 5 defense.

Ken Strickland

April 25th, 2012
5:28 pm

WABE-Actually, COwens and BGrimes would probably make better FS prospects that Dunta, due to them haveingmore speed, range, and athleticism. Now that we’ve added Samuel, we might not need to draft a backup safety. We can use one of our 3 younger backup CBs in that role.

With the committment we’ve just made to our DEF, I strongly feel that DT Thompson, if available, will be our top pick. Our 3rd rd pick will likely be used to draft either a TE or OLineman. If he’s available when we pick in the 3rd rd, I believe we’ll pick TE LGreen. He and Palmer will give us a solid and versatile tandem at TE.

gman

April 25th, 2012
5:30 pm

I have obviously missed an interesting thread somewhere. Could someone fill me in on the Mika story and how we might have been boned?

Fanatic Falcon Fan (F3)

April 25th, 2012
5:35 pm

7th rounder to Philly (hope this post doesn’t disappear as well)

falconslaw

April 25th, 2012
5:36 pm

I think, and I might be wrong, that TD might trade Grimey before the draft to get another second round pick, then package the two second rounders with a couple of expandable players to jump into the first round and pick a Left tackle. Just a hunch…We shall see

Fanatic Falcon Fan (F3)

April 25th, 2012
5:37 pm

Ken Strickland

April 25th, 2012
5:40 pm

This is for those who are still concerned about LT and SBaker.
http://atlanta.sbnation.com/2012/4/25/2973991/dont-worry-about-sam-baker

Fanatic Falcon Fan (F3)

April 25th, 2012
5:45 pm

Blog monster ripped me a new one on the other blog, but I love this deal, kudos to TD and McKay’s number juggling on turning a weakness into a strength. Win now, baby, instead of, uhh, lets see, when did we last win the Lombardi? Anyone?

That deafening silence is the reason we needed this deal.

Big Lou

April 25th, 2012
5:47 pm

Nobody is going to take Grimes for a second round pick…

Asante: 31, multiple pro bowler = 7th round pick.
Grimes: 29, unproven corner with playmaking potential = a water cooler and washer machine.

Ken

Asante plays on the left side most of the time. So, I’m thinking Grimes would be playing nickel and Dunta would be on right side. Now, Asante is good at jumping routes, so if Mike Nolan can ‘convince’ him, he could be a like a Troy P and roam/make plays on the ball with his good instincts.

Big Lou

April 25th, 2012
5:50 pm

Ken

Also, kudos to the nice link about the left tackle situation. They also forgot to mention chip blocking by the TE/WR/RB before the run their route.

Birdman

April 25th, 2012
5:54 pm

Now its time we all get to quiet complaining about the week secondary the Falcons have . Great move

Nookah

April 25th, 2012
5:59 pm

Greetings Cagers!!!

I like this trade no matter how you spin it and for a 6th round pick makes it even more palatable. It is clear this one has our new DC written all over it. I am very excited when I think about what this acquisition affords us. This defense will be very aggressive this year and is the perfect antidote to the “passing fancy” that the NFC South has become. Apart from the record setting rookie QB and the Bounty Brees posse, don’t forget the Vincent Jackson led Crew from Florida.

Big Lou, I rather like that Brandon Thompson pick. Stout and powerful with tremendous body control to give us that surge on the DL that we have been craving for. He can play in the 34 or the 43. Love this guy.

Go Falcons!!!

Great Falconi

April 25th, 2012
6:00 pm

As long as Asante can run, he’ll be a good CB for quite a few years to come.

just me

April 25th, 2012
6:01 pm