Should the Falcons Sign DE Ray Edwards?

Good Move to Sign the Minnesota DE or Wait?

Minnesota Vikings defensive end Ray Edwards would be a nice fit for the Falcons. (Associated Press) Finally, it looks as though the NFL owners and players may be putting their greed to the side and using their brains regarding this lockout. With the potential of actual time and money being lost right around the corner, it appears that (at least according to reports) something may actually get done towards mid-July. Of course nothing is set in stone just yet, but encouraging news nonetheless. One of the first pieces of information to come out was the idea that free agency would go back to previous rules where any players that have accrued at least 4 years in the league would become unrestricted free agents.

The big criticism from media talking heads is that the Falcons failed to address their pass rush through the draft (even though they fail to mention that NONE of the prospects would likely have an immediate impact in their rookie year), and the chance of getting one of the better defensive ends prospects would immediately enhance a team that is prepared to win now in this first window with several players reaching their primes or downsides of them (McClure, Abraham, White, Turner, Gonzalez).

Two of the biggest names that have been bandied about are former UGA and current Carolina Panthers DE Charles Johnson and Minnesota DE Ray Edwards. Although Johnson has played four years in the NFL, the Panthers put a first round tender on him which may or may not hold up, but it makes the likelihood somewhat smaller. So that leaves Ray Edwards as the main guy that many have talked about for quite some time now (our main man Falcons guru D. Orlando Ledbetter even went ahead and penciled him in as a Falcons starter in 2011). So that of course leads to our question of the post: Should the Falcons ante up and lock down Edwards as soon as the lockout is lifted or should they pass on him in favor of getting someone like Tamba Hali, Mario Williams, or Charles Johnson next year? The case:

Ray Edwards

2006 – 2 Games Started – 10 Tackles – 3 Sacks – 2 PDef – 0 Forced Fumbles

2007 – 11 GS – 30 Tackles – 5 Sacks -  2 PDef – 4 FF

2008 – 15 GS – 54 Tackles – 5 Sacks – 3 PDef – 1 FF

2009 – 16 GS – 51 Tackles – 8.5 Sacks – 2 PDef – 1 FF

2010 – 14 GS – 37 Tackles – 8 Sacks – 2 PDef – 0 FF

Send Me My Ray Edwards Jersey Now!

It’s a no-brainer. The Falcons have relied entirely too much on John Abraham being the sole source of a pass rush for entirely too long. The Falcons haven’t gotten consistent pressure from the other side of the defensive end spot since Abraham became a Falcon way back in 2006. Jamaal Anderson famously didn’t work out, Chauncey Davis couldn’t make the jump to starter, Lawrence Sidbury couldn’t even make it on the field after some flashes as a rookie, and Kroy Biermann still has hope, but he definitely regressed after becoming a full time starter.

The Falcons drafted Cliff Matthews in the 7th round, but he will definitely take some time to develop. Biermann may still be the answer, but the fact remains that Abraham will be retiring sooner rather than later and the Falcons will need TWO defensive ends to become productive since someone opposite of Abraham and will be needed and someone will be needed to replace Abraham.

Good Fit?

Edwards has prototypical DE size at 6’5, 268 and has had extremely good production (if not eye-popping) and has steadily progressed since breaking into the league. Edwards just turned 26 this year and is only now just hitting his prime. He can pair with Abraham until he decides to hang up his cleats while also working in a rotation with Biermann to see if he can make the big jump in his second full year as an exclusive starter while hopefully not being involved on special teams.

Abraham can be rested and saved for being a pass-rushing specialist where he excels the most while prolonging his energy and career as a whole. Even though Edwards would probably get the “official” nod over Biermann in terms of starting, his arrival wouldn’t mean that he closes off Biermann’s potential to make the jump, especially given Dimitroff’s propensity to give draft picks time to develop and produce. Coach Mike Smith firmly believes in rotating his defensive lineman and keeping them fresh, so a rotation of Abraham, Biermann, Edwards, and either Davis or Sidbury would give excellent depth and an extremely complementary set. It would also allow time to see what they have in Cliff Matthews as well.

A Great Situation

The criticism will come that he was only a product of a line that included 3 Pro Bowlers in Jared Allen, Kevin Williams, and Pat Williams and that his total of 8 sacks was extremely low considering who he was playing with. While that may be true from one perspective, the opposite is also true in that there is only so many sacks to go around and that if Allen or the Williams DT’s hadn’t got there first, than Edwards could have had more sacks (remember how many “close calls” Abe had in 2009 that translated into sacks in 2010?).  One final point to see is that Edwards will be coming into a great situation for many reasons.

Not only will he be coming to a team that is ready to win now, but he also comes in not having to be “the guy” right off the bat, much like the situation Julio Jones will be in. He already has an All-Pro, Pro Bowler in Abraham who just came off one of his best seasons in the NFL. Edwards can come in and work in a great rotation, produce, and eventually can replace Abraham after he decides to hang up his cleats.

Need for TWO DE’s, Not One

Keeping in mind that the Falcons will need TWO defensive ends in the near future, Edwards just makes too much sense. The Birds have failed to address the other defensive end spot for far too long and if they want to take the next step in this first window that is closing fairly quickly, they must get a pass rush from the other side. Jamaal Anderson and Chauncey Davis have proven not to be the answer, Sidbury has way too much unknown and risk surrounding him, and Biermann may make the jump, but betting your franchise on that fact is too great a risk as Abraham nears retirement.

Wait for Better Options

Ray Edwards likely would give the defensive line some jolt, but the question is whether or not he will be worth the high amount of money it will take to sign him. The need is well-known that someone has to produce in terms of pass-rushing other than John Abraham. He has carried the sole burden for far too long. At issue is not necessarily whether the Falcons need more pass rush, but whether Edwards is the answer the Falcons seek. Edwards was the beneficiary of an absolutely stacked defensive line in Minnesota. He shared the DL with 3, count’em THREE, Pro Bowlers who combined for an astounding 12 Pro Bowls collectively.

A Product of Other Pro Bowlers?

Edwards sack numbers are decent, but even with the outstanding trio of Allen, P. Williams, and K. Williams, he was never able to get above double digit sacks. That is a major cause for concern when you’re about to sink the house for your next franchise DE, one who will be complementary to Abraham only for a few more seasons, but really be the heir apparent to Abraham. The larger point is, do the Falcons elect to sign a defensive end just because everyone says they should?

Some of the criticism can be directed at Mike Smith and DC Brian Van Gorder for their extremely predictable and vanilla play-calling on defense. They rarely blitz and when they do, it’s predictable enough for even the general fan to see what’s coming. It’s hard to believe they drafted Sean Weatherspoon with the first pick in last year’s draft to simply cover and Stephen Nicholas has shown he can get after the passer when needed. William Moore, Thomas DeCoud, and even Curtis Lofton have shown that they can get after the QB when needed.

Lack of Big-Bodied DT’s

Another thing to consider is the fact that Atlanta doesn’t have the big-bodied DT’s like Minnesota had. Pat Williams pushed all of 317 while Kevin Williams pushed all of 311. Surely, this played a big part in Edwards ability to not draw double-teams and have many one-on-one matchups, not to mention the perennial Pro Bowler Jared Allen on the other side. Most all of Atlanta’s DT’s are  definitely under 300, with only a few barely over the mark.

Another  point is whether or not Edwards would be a better option than spending the money elsewhere. Are the lapses and poor performances solely responsible for the pass rush? It’s the chicken and egg argument with many here, but the cornerbacks often gave up wide swaths of turf to receivers many times even when there was good pressure. Shouldn’t the Falcons make sure to re-sign Stephen Nicholas, Brent Grimes, and possibly go after a cornerback instead? Many believe the Falcons should go after Nnamdi Asomugha, the undisputed best player in free agency, and the Falcons could definitely work through rotations of Biermann, Abraham, Davis, and Sidbury.

Spend the Money Elsewhere

That’s assuming of course that Grimes would accept the nickel back role, which would be an issue itself. Even if they decided to pass on Asomugha due to their high investment in Dunta Robinson, they could elect to go after a slightly lesser cornerback, but still an excellent defensive back who could come in to compete for a starters position and definitely take the nickel back spot. Players such as Carlos Rogers, Chris Carr, Fabian Washington, or Paul Oliver could add a much needed boost to the secondary. Finally, 2012 looks to be ripe with much better options having at least a chance at Mario Williams, Charles Johnson, and Tamba Hali who have proven they can soar into double-digit sack territory.

Your Turn

  1. Simple Question: should the Falcons sign Ray Edwards?
  2. Is Edwards the missing piece to the puzzle on defense?
  3. Should the Falcons dole out high money for Edwards?
  4. Can the Falcons afford NOT to sign him?
  5. Is he a good locker-room and character fit?
  6. Should the Falcons wait for better options @ DE?
  7. Is Edwards legit or just a product of playing next to Pro Bowlers?
  8. Should the Birds spend the money on other positions, like CB?

126 comments Add your comment

DrewTube

June 26th, 2011
8:47 pm

DrewTube

June 26th, 2011
8:48 pm

And yes, they should definitely sign him.

DeSean (ATL Dirty Bird Headquarters)

June 26th, 2011
8:56 pm

Sign him….sign him, sign…sign sign now. We need a proven pass rusher and he has shown that he has the ability to be that and more. If the opportunity is there; this is a no brainer. Defense is our biggest concern. An effective past rush would also help our secondary.

Eddie from Acworth

June 26th, 2011
9:10 pm

Seriously? Wait? Wait for what?? Our window is closing. We need pressure on qbs. We get Rodgers 2 times in our last game and the outcome is different. Sign Edwards yesterday. Defense wins champs.

Coop

June 26th, 2011
9:14 pm

Great breakdown D3! I’m ehhh on Ray Edwards. I think the DT arguement is the most glaring. To me, Asoumgha is the no-brainer.

JB FALCON

June 26th, 2011
9:18 pm

Damn, I so wanted to be the “first” one to read this blog and offer a half azz contribution without even reading the content!!
I’ve never been one to listen to what “they” say. I think Charles Johnson would be a much better pick and fit and you can look back even before the lockout when I suggested as much. He has more potential and, imo, I think, is younger and would probably be cheaper than RE. With a little bit of optimistic thinking one might think we could afford CJ and Nnamdi Asomugha. I know, my optimism runeth over but I was also shocked when we traded up to get JJ. It’s hard to predict what AB and co. are thinking, BUT, if they were to pull off something like this it would take a week to clean up and sterlize wherever I may be when I heard the news.

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wayne

June 26th, 2011
10:43 pm

Spend the money on corner back, Robinson is a decent complimentary DB, but not the shut down corner he is advertised to be. Grimes is better but has trouble covering the larger WR’s. Add the CB from Oakland and let the competition begin. Get a much better DE next year. 13-3 wasn’t all that bad last year.

ATL_98

June 26th, 2011
11:12 pm

I think…I know RE would be a great acquisition for the falcons. man this would put us over the top and would be the best news besides the pick of julio jones. my fiancee says im more excited about this years season than our wedding! u darn right! go falcons

Runner-

June 26th, 2011
11:47 pm

Wow, great points on everything and you definitely made it out to be a had decision. However, I fully trust that TD will make the right decision in this case as to who to resign and who to sign, as he has been all but flawless these past 3 years. Tough decisions, but good ones, he will have to make

Runner-

June 26th, 2011
11:48 pm

Sorry, that was meant to be hard, not had.

IceFan

June 27th, 2011
7:09 am

I am leaning more toward going after Nnamdi if it’s a realistic option. We know 100% that he is at worst the 2nd best Corner in the league. With him the Defense essentially eliminates a third of the field, making the other 10 players on D that much more effective. If one sideline is covered and Aaron Rodgers can’t even look that way, somebody on the DL gets to him.

That being said, if we can’t or don’t want to go after another top-tier Corner Ray Edwards is a given.

Chris

June 27th, 2011
7:59 am

pick up Nnamdi Asomugha and Vernon Gholston will be good fit then Ray Edwards

Chris

June 27th, 2011
7:59 am

Vernon Gholston

The Real Falcon

June 27th, 2011
8:36 am

Do not pass go and go straight to signing.
That’s why we did not draft a DE.

ddawgdavis

June 27th, 2011
9:03 am

As a football snob/hipster who thinks his insight is better than yours, I am cautious on Ray. He did rely on three great Defensive lineman with the Williams Sisters and Jared. The Falcons line is small and fast which will require Ray not to pull a Brooking and pile on to earn tackle numbers (suck it Brookings Fans). Also, as the snob/hipster I also know Ray E is the best out there and a change of scenery could do him good.

I am definitely straying away from the snob/hipster persona and saying if there is extra $ sign Asomugha. Why the heck not?

HotLanta613

June 27th, 2011
9:34 am

Whether we sign a corner or a de, what would be the best defense we could put on the feild?

DC Dirty Bird

June 27th, 2011
9:42 am

Can’t argue against either signing. My only caution is the salary cap with respect to the price tag that Nmandi will command. I think Ray wants to be on the Falcons and to me, you can’t knock him for doing his job and getting 8.5 sacks from the left side. Only Justin Tuck had more from that side and the Giants rotate their pass rushers, even playing Tuck at rush LB at times.

HotLanta613

June 27th, 2011
9:55 am

I think we talk about signing a de and cornerback but what about getting a game changing safety. Look at pittsburg and baltimore and the success they have had with their big guys. I honestly think we need more help in the secondary. I feel like we should give more time to sidbury and sign Asomugha. Keep grimes at corner and move Robinson to safety next to moore. What you guys think of that.

joe white

June 27th, 2011
10:25 am

let sign edwards will help us big time go falcons

D3

June 27th, 2011
11:00 am

Greeting Cage Family! — It’s been a little while since I’ve had a chance to get in here and rap you with you all. Hope you and your families are doing well doing this summer doldrums of No Football and No Falcons.

Concerning one Mr. Edwards, here goes………

Here’s the ridiculously weak, vomit-inducing cop-out answer: If the Falcons front office feel that Edwards is the guy, than by all means they should waste no time getting Edwards on a jet plane down to Atlanta ASAP. They have been nothing short of brilliant with their draft picks and free agent strikes (even Dunta Robinson looks to be coming around as a solid pick). If they feel that he’s the right investment, than spend than get Edwards down here, re-sign Blalock and Grimes and Nicholas and Snelling, and sign a nickel back and we’re ready to roll (would love to have Clabo back, but he may be too high).

I think we all agree that our first choice is Charles Johnson. It’s just too good a fit to be true. He was born and raised in Georgia. He starred at UGA. He had 11.5 sacks on the worst team in the NFL and he played for Brian Van Gorder at UGA. All that being said, its hard to imagine the owners agreeing to lifting the tenders and letting their prize players just walk away with no compensation. So I’m just assuming that CJ will not be available.

Samuel

June 27th, 2011
11:00 am

Maybe, but let’s examined all our options..

ATL_98

June 27th, 2011
11:01 am

we have a good secondary, its just been over shadowed by lack of a rush. if edwards can help us out in that department,you will see our playmakers in the secondary come out. like william moore, daunta robinson, and grimes.
and someone said lets get a play making safety like ed reed and troy p. are u serious? im not denying the level at which they play at but they do benefit from good pass rush. if we get some pressure on the qb you will see william moore become a magnet to overthrows, tips, and off target passes.
getting nnamndi would be good but that wouldnt solve our pass rush issues. get edwards and spend the rest to sure up our o-line and our other FA.

ATL_98

June 27th, 2011
11:08 am

CJ would be a nice acqusition but if that tender stays in place we can forget about it. the falcons will be a huge force this year.

tmac84

June 27th, 2011
12:06 pm

I’ve been debating this for a min. now, and at 1st i was more for the Edwards sign, but the more i think about it the right choice would be C. Johnson. As of now he is a 1 hit wonder, but he put up great #’s with a ok Def. line, while Edwards put up ok #’s with a pro-bowl line next to him, he is younger, maybe a little cheaper, he is gonna bring more fan attention because he played at UG, like it or not that is a important part, with no fans we have no team, (i’m not a homer, i’m from Indiana)but overall just talent wise he is above Edwards, i think in time could be a team leader type Def. player.i think we should sign-C. Johnson DE/ Ike Taylor DB (every team needs at least 3 to 4 really good DB’s these days, plus he is a vet. who still has some gas left and from a hard nosed Def. and he has the rings. let them all battle it out and the staff will put the best starters on the field, man i’m just ready for some football….

D3

June 27th, 2011
12:09 pm

Now for the non cop-out version………

I know that many want Nnamdi and I can’t outright disagree with it. Signing him would allow us to have Abraham as our rock for another year and see if Biermann can make the leap in his second year as a full-time starter and also see what we have in both Sidbury and Matthews. We could even take a flyer on Gholston for fairly cheap and see if he can rekindle his career in a 4-3 under Abe’s tutelage.

All that being said, there are several issues at play here. First of all, the price tag will probably just be too high. We just made our high investment on our #1 cornerback in Dunta Robinson (even if many believe he’s not a true #1). Robinson just turned 29 and Nnamdi will be turning 30 this year. Do we really see Dimitroff mortgaging an enormous part of our franchise on two cornerbacks that will be hitting their downside of their career in a few years? Especially considering that even though we are mostly a very young team, we have many guys that will be aging and hitting their downsides very quickly: Turner, White, Gonzalez, Abraham, McClure, and Peterson to name just a few. Can we afford to spend that much money on one cornerback who may have 3-4 good years left?

Here’s another issue with that scenario: many just assume that Brent Grimes will just easily accept a demotion to nickel back and with that would be a pay decrease as well. Not many teams are going to pay 3 starting cornerback salaries. Grimes was drafted by the Falcons, developed, and just made the Pro Bowl and already is moving up the all-time charts of career interceptions in only a few years and will be only 28. They also signified as much when they tendered him with a first round tag. Does Coach Smith, TD, and Co. strike you as just giving away someone’s starting position (Grimes) who has busted their butt and worked their @ss off to get where he is and has become extremely successful? I just don’t see it. They’re definitely going to sign a cornerback because they have to with only having 4 CB’s on the roster. I see them going after a nickel back who has had starting experience, someone like Fabian Washington, Chris Carr, or Paul Oliver.

That was a really long way of winding back to the question of should we sign Edwards. My gut reaction is to say YES. The biggest thing is that he is young, has great size, and has had good solid production on a consistent basis. A main sticking point with Edwards is him being the beneficiary of a great line. That’s certainly a valid concern, but there are always risks with getting free agents. There was a risk with Robinson because he had an injury plagued year before with almost zero production. Abraham was known as being injury prone and not always giving full effort when we traded for him. Many were concerned with Michael Turner on him being able to shoulder a starting role. Same questions about what we gave up for Gonzalez and definitely for Jones. There’s always risks, its just a matter of the front office doing extensive and thorough research.

The final, and biggest, point for me is this: we will need TWO defensive ends very soon. Abraham is entering the final year of his contract and the Falcons and the Birds may decide to either re-up him to finish as a Falcon or he may elect to jump for one more big payday elsewhere. Either way, Abraham would be reduced to a pass-rushing specialist or a short-term fix since he is already 33 years old. Biermann may or may not make the jump many are hoping for in year 2 as a full-time starter. Making that bet on a franchise that has such a small window with a few vets that will likely retire next year (McClure, Gonzalez) and several more very close (Abraham, etc) can they really afford to go another year with that gamble?

Edwards averaging 8 sacks is almost quadruple the production they have gotten from any other DE not named Abe the last 4-5 years. I’ll take that. Edwards gives us a legit DE and gives us a great insurance policy allowing us to see what we have in Biermann, Sidbury, and Matthews. If none of them works out, they can take Abe and Anderson’s expiring salaries and make our next DE’s Ray Edwards AND Charles Johnson. They say that when you make a bust draft pick (Jamaal Anderson) it sets you back several years. That would be exactly correct. Ray Edwards is the answer and would help replace Abe while finally giving us a legit DE opposite Abe for a few years, and also allowing us to re-sign many of our own FA’s as well as go out and sign a nickel back.

John Waynesworld

June 27th, 2011
1:43 pm

Thanks D3, it was getting a little stale in the Cage.

Simple Question: should the Falcons sign Ray Edwards? Yes.
Is Edwards the missing piece to the puzzle on defense? Maybe.
Should the Falcons dole out high money for Edwards? Whatever it takes, just don’t get outbid.
Can the Falcons afford NOT to sign him? No, unless we have another guy in mind.
Is he a good locker-room and character fit? Yes, and if not, he will be when Peterson gets him.
Should the Falcons wait for better options @ DE? Only if they get Nnamdi.
Is Edwards legit or just a product of playing next to Pro Bowlers? Legit.

Here’s the sack stats from NFL.com:

John Abraham ATL DE 13.0
Jamaal Anderson ATL DE 2.0
Jonathan Babineaux ATL DT 4.0
Kroy Biermann ATL DE 3.0
Chauncey Davis ATL DE 1.0
Peria Jerry ATL DT 2.0
Trey Lewis ATL DT 0.0
Corey Peters ATL DT 1.0
Lawrence Sidbury ATL DE 0.0
Vance Walker ATL DT 0.0

Jared Allen MIN DE 11.0
Ray Edwards MIN DE 8.0
Fred Evans MIN DT 0.0
Everson Griffen MIN DE 0.0
Letroy Guion MIN DT 2.0
Jimmy Kennedy MIN DT 0.5
Brian Robison MIN DE 2.0 –
KEVIN WILLIAMS MIN DT 1.0
PAT WILLIAMS MIN DT 0.0

It seems the Williams boys didn’t do much in the sack department (1 sack between the two of them), although it is a given that they caused other teammates to get some of their sacks. Now, double-teaming Jared Allen should have enhanced Edwards’ stats tremendously, but 1) why didn’t the Williams boys get more sacks, and 2)Edwards still had to get them with his own effort. From the above stats, the Falcons look downright balanced compared to the Vikings. Even Carolina’s sack stats are more evenly distributed than Minnesota’s, so I am tending to lean away from basing Edward’s productivity so much on the Williams’ boys’ activity.

Should the Birds spend the money on other positions, like CB? Not unless it is Nnamdi.

With all this being said, I wouldn’t be at all against giving a flyer on Vernon Gholston or Andre Carter. Talk about guys with chips on their shoulders.

jmf

June 27th, 2011
1:49 pm

I like TD but he is not flawless. We passed on Ziggy Hood at DT 2009 draft. Big mistake. I do not knock Edwards but the road to the Super Bown is in Nnamdi Asomugha. In addition to what it does to the Falcons defense it prevents him from going to the Eagles. If he goes to the Eagles they may well be the team in the Super Bowl. If we can pick up Asomugha and Gholston and looks at Tamba Hall next year we will be a championship contenders for YEARS!

jmf

June 27th, 2011
1:55 pm

typo Super Bowl and it should be look instead of looks

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Chris

June 27th, 2011
4:28 pm

pick up Gholston

Chris

June 27th, 2011
4:29 pm

John Waynesworld

June 27th, 2011
4:53 pm

This is under the heading of “On second thought”…Concerning Gholston, I have read some Jets blogs where they are considering replacing Blair Thomas with the highly drafted Ghoiston as the biggest Jets bust of all time. I wonder how many NFL players have been labelled “biggest bust of all time” by fans in their city and have gone on to excel on a different team? I’m not talking about a team releasing an old running back who has 1000 yards the next year with a new team, I’m talking about a major bust right out of the draft who turns it around with a new team. If anybody knows, I am curious.

jmf

June 27th, 2011
5:26 pm

John I understand your concern and it is a valid concern. Gholston would be my choice only if they were able to get Asomugha and would not have enough money to go after Allen. If they could get Gholston on the cheap it would be worth the gamble in the Falcons 4-3.

JB FALCON

June 27th, 2011
5:49 pm

JWW, I too have been trying to figure the Gholston approach, I just don’t see it? “0″ sacks in three years! At least our on JD/bust had 4.5 sacks in the last three years. How is Gholston going to help? The last I heard potential is an intangible asset.

JB FALCON

June 27th, 2011
5:50 pm

Make that JA/bust.

John Waynesworld

June 27th, 2011
5:57 pm

Totally agree, jmf. I’ll take Asomugha and anybody. If Gholston pans out then good for us. If he doesn”t he’s on special teams for 2 years until his contract ends. As long as we have Asomugha the pass rush can take that extra second to get to the QB.

John Waynesworld

June 27th, 2011
6:05 pm

JB, this is just some of the stuff out there on ole Vernon…

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4708/player?r=1

Coming from too many sources to name it just sounds like a bad move if I can’t find anything positve on the entire web. Even the Browns don’t want him.

crabapplejoe

June 27th, 2011
6:05 pm

Vernon Gholston???????In three years in the NFL he has 24 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 FFs, 0 ints…..what a playmaker…..bring him home TD! LMAO.

Mike

June 27th, 2011
7:01 pm

I say sign Asomugha, keep Grimes as a #2 corner, moves Dunta to safety. With the weapons they will have offensively, and that secondary they will be able to be more aggressive in bring the heat.

JB FALCON

June 27th, 2011
7:32 pm

D3 brought up a good point about moving Grimes to safety or #2 corner, I just don’t think that’s gonna’ happen. We’ve got a faily good crew back there with Schillinger coming back, Moore will be healthy, etc. We may need to think about losing Nichols. Bottom line and going back to the main question is, we need a DE. My choice would be Charles Johnson if possible over Edwards and, yes on Edwards if we can’t get Johnson. Either one will give the backfield a better chance to improve the coverage back there. If we only sign one FA it has to be DE.

Sportaree

June 27th, 2011
8:58 pm

For what its worth, here is a look at the DEs in the NFL top 100 so far. (90)
#97 Shaun Phillips
#85 Jason Babin
#82 LaMarr Woodley
#80 Jared Allen
#75 Jay Ratliff
#73 Trent Cole
#71 Mario Williams
#69 John Abraham
#66 Richard Seymore
#64 Tamba Hali
#60 Justin Tuck
#44 Robert Mathis
#15 Dwight Freeney
#12 DeMarcus Ware

JB FALCON

June 27th, 2011
9:15 pm

Sportaree, how many of them are FA’s?

Sportaree

June 27th, 2011
9:34 pm

JB Falcon
Honestly, I have no idea.

JB FALCON

June 27th, 2011
9:47 pm

Hmmm. neither Edwards or Johnson are on the list. Just found an interesting link.
http://walterfootball.com/freeagents2011DE.php

falcon21

June 27th, 2011
9:48 pm

JB, I agree with you on Johnson. Mike, Dunta is a true corner, not a safety. Dunta has not gotten much respect from our tough Falcon fans but the man has done a better job than we think. Hell, he is the main reason Grimes went to the pro bowl. There is a reason why NFL QB’s don’t throw his way, he has earned their respect. Yes he may get beat now and then but how many times did Grimes get beat compared to Dunta. That’s not a knock on Grimes, the man can play but he is better suited for safety.

Get Some D

June 27th, 2011
11:04 pm

Any DE in free agency would be an improvement over JA98 and we need a good nickelback too or try to resign Brian Williams if his knees are healed but don’t ever put Chris Owens at nickelback again. What ever happened to the Franks kid? I think the rookie Cliff Mathews will be better than what we currently have now other than Abe since he will play with heart every play just like Abe.

Coop

June 27th, 2011
11:44 pm

D3 and others, I love Grimes. He’s full of drive. He’s a GREAT athelete. But we have to start calling it like it is, he made the probowl, in part, due to DRob. DRob nearly shut down half the field. Grimes got tons more opportunities than before. Granted, he DID make the plays. But he IS NOT Asoumgha. Frankly, I don’t think Edwards is any better than Beirman on OUR line.

You can’t argue that the Falcons should be loyal to Grimes because they drafted him and groomed him. They drafted Beirman, Sidbury, and now Matthews. Are they not going to continue to give them opportunities?

Bring in Asoungha, move Grimes to Nickel. He’ll move. If he can beat out DRob or Asoumgha, then give hime the spot. He won’t. There is too big a talent gap. Grimes strikes me as a player who will play his role and not gripe. Hell, we play the nickel more than half the time anyway.

I’m in total agreement that more pressure from the line would make the LBs and secondary look better. Unfortunately, we don’t have the big bodies on the interior to make a difference with Edwards. Beirman is not a drop off from Edwards, but Asoumgha is a MAJOR… A FREKAING MAJOR upgrade over Grimes.

Spend your money on the best CB in the league and let the secondary make your line better. Then try to draft better DTs…

Coop

June 27th, 2011
11:47 pm

I thought we had 5 CBs:

DRob
Grimes
Owens
Franks

Oh hell, we only have 4 CBs… Why the hell wouldn’t we sign Asoumgha?