3rd Annual Falcons Full Mock Champion!

A New Champ is Crowned!

What a weekend. If any Falcons fan thought they had a good idea of what GM Thomas Dimitroff had in store, they were wrong. Mock drafts are always just as good as throwing darts, but this year seemed particularly crazy. Even though we heard the rumors close to draft day that the Birds may be moving up to get wide receiver Julio Jones from our very own D. Orlando Ledbetter, no one took the bait except for one person (james), who also was the only BCFM (Bird Cage Family Member) to guess more than 1 player we actually drafted.

Waynester was the only Bird Cage Family Member to make the correct strike on Jacquizz Rodgers, even though he had him going in the 5th round. Akeem Dent was by far the most hit on pick, but almost all had him slotted in the very late rounds. Several notched points by guessing that we’d take a receiver with the first pick, but only one had us taking Jones. One of the more popular selections had the Falcons taking a running back in the 5th round, but most had Da’rel Scott or Derrick Locke there. Perhaps the biggest shock was watching Virgil Green plummet down the charts from the 3rd round, where most BCFM’s had him slotted, all the way down to the 7th round. Although many had the Birds taking a kicker, all had them in the 7th round. Finally, many had the Falcons taking an offensive lineman, but absolutely no one had Andrew Jackson.

(((Side Note – It’s not a matter of IF I made a mistake, but where and how. So if you feel you were shorted somewhere, please shoot me an email to dawsondevitt@gmail.com or just post it somewhere on the post)))

Scoring

Direct Hit/First Choice – 4 points: If you select the exact correct player in the exact correct position, you will receive 4 points. (EX) You choose the Falcons to select Adrian Clayborn in the first round (pick #27), you will get 4 points.

Direct Hit/Alternate – 3 points: Same rules as direct hit/1st choice, but the alternate will garner one less point since it’s not the original mock draft.

Correct Player/Wrong Spot – 2 points: If you choose the Falcons to select Jerrel Jernigan in the second, but they pick him in the 1st round, you would get 2 points.

Correct Position/Wrong Player – 1 point: If you have the Falcons selecting defensive end Justin Houston in the 1st round, but they end up taking Ryan Kerrigan, you still get 1 point for predicting they take a defensive end in the 1st round.

(((Counted any OL as being correct if that was a choice. Also, made no distinction between inside linebackers or outside linebackers. Both were counted correctly)))

And with that, the………

3rd Annual Bird Cage Falcons Full Mock Champion

 

Paddy O

Had us selecting Akeem Dent in both of his mocks (2 + 2 = 4). Had us taking a wide receiver in the 1st round of his original mock draft (1), even though it was not Julio Jones. Paddy O also had us taking a linebacker in the 3rd round (1), even though it was Akeem Dent and not Brooks Reed. Finally, he had us taking an offensive lineman in the last round, although he chose Willie Smith over Andrew Jackson.

Congrats Paddy O! You win our Roddy White Beast Award

2 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 7 Total Points

Co-Runner Ups (Julio Jones Level) – 6 Points

WR

james (got it all with just one mock submitted)

Michael Jenkins Level – 5 Points

Coop

FalconsFannnn

JWW

Harry Douglas Level – 4 Points

waynester

mike falcon 63

D3

Bangkapi Ajarn

Hamad Meander

JJ

Elaine

just me

Kerry Meier Level – 3 Points

uga_b

James

darrell starks

infamous

Eric Weems Level – 2 Points

icefan

Chelf

Rikus

So there you have it Bird Cage Family Members, Paddy O is our new Falcons Full Mock Champion! Congrats on a job well done. Thanks to all of you who participated and offered your excellent opinions, thoughts, research, and information to help us all through this downtime for our Falcons and football.

Draft Grade post coming soon, but here’s some questions to get you going until then…………

  1. After you’ve had to time to reflect, what’s your overall feeling on the Julio Jones trade?
  2. Right now, where does our wide receiving corps rank in the NFL?
  3. Do the Falcons keep Michael Jenkins and move him to slot, or is he a candidate to be moved for draft picks?
  4. Assuming Jenkins stays, who will be the odd man out come September: Harry Douglas, Kerry Meier, or Eric Weems?
  5. What’s your thoughts on the Akeem Dent draft pick after the dust has settled: great pick or reach?
  6. Could Dent be headed for a future starting job at OLB?
  7. How much of a role will Jacquizz Rodgers play as a rookie?
  8. Any chance of him taking snaps away from Snelling?
  9.  Have you warmed to the Matt Bosher pick yet?
  10.  If he is the Falcons opening day starting punter, will that ease the pain?
  11.  With the selection of Andrew Jackson, who goes and who stays at guard: Harvey Dahl or Justin Blalock?
  12. Does the information coming out that said they would’ve picked Gabe Carimi if they would’ve stayed at #27 put Sam Baker’s future in doubt?
  13.  Can Cliff Matthews make the team?
  14. Can he contribute this year?

176 comments Add your comment

Who Cares

May 3rd, 2011
2:26 pm

Zoomie

May 3rd, 2011
2:55 pm

Stayed out of the game. I wouldn’t even venture to guess what might happen during the NFL draft, but congrats to the winners.

A few surprises. I think the Julio Jones move will prove to be a good one. I think MJ is gonna be odd man out. He’s had ample opportunity, but hasn’t produced consistently — really, other than an infrequent catch, he hasn’t produced at all.

Surprised the birds took Akeem Dent. Jury’s out on that pick. He might become a producer in a year or two.

I’m a little disappointed in the Jacqizz Rodgers pick. If he turns out to be another Darren Sproles, okay, but the little guys typically get shut down pretty fast in the NFL. Guess MM has some interesting ideas about how to use him. I would’ve preferred to see the Falcons pick up someone in the 5′10″ – 6′ and 210-220 range with mid-4’s 40 and a history of knocking college LBs out of their shoes.

Still have a LOT of problems on defense that weren’t addressed. Hopefully, the coaching staff knows something the rest of us can’t see . . .

Paddy O

May 3rd, 2011
3:00 pm

I’m more stunned than Osama Bin Laden! “Its all a crap shoot! I was just looking for some explosiveness – did not realize we’d be THAT explosive! GO FALCONS!!!

D3

May 3rd, 2011
3:05 pm

Ahhhhhhhhh………much better. Gotta love those electronic erasers. They’re pretty sweet.

But then again, “Who Cares.” Hahahaha.

waynester

May 3rd, 2011
3:24 pm

PaddyO
Good on ya, mate!

waynester

May 3rd, 2011
3:30 pm

D3
Hopefully Rogers will take snaps from both MT and JS keeping them fresh. In fact, most of our picks seem geared toward sparing veteran players any extra snaps looking ahead to a post season run. Sam Baker’s future has ALWAYS been in doubt at LT. I have always seen him as a stop-gap measure, from the manner in which he was selected(best tackle left) to his measurables, to his on-field performance Baker just seems perfectly suited to RT but we’re having to play him out of position due to a lack of a true, dominant LT on the roster(as far as I’ve seen). I think all the guys we just picked are capable of winning a roster spot over their current occupants….

uga_b

May 3rd, 2011
3:33 pm

After you’ve had to time to reflect, what’s your overall feeling on the Julio Jones trade?
Same as before. Great player with as few question marks coming out as a WR can have. We still gave up too much, but we can mitigate it. Glad to have him on our team but we traded away any chance to address our defense, which I guess is still young. I give the trade a B-minus. Julio an A-plus.

Right now, where does our wide receiving corps rank in the NFL?
Hate to say it, but not much better. Looks good on paper but is Julio really going to give you more than about 600-700 yards as a rookie? That’s what Jenkins gives you and he actually had one of his most productive years in some respect given the shorter timeframe. I would expect some progress from Douglas. The big differentiator will be explosive plays. If those go up, we are better.

Do the Falcons keep Michael Jenkins and move him to slot, or is he a candidate to be moved for draft picks?
Yes. Move him or Julio to slot based on what we are doing. If you can get a 5th rounder or higher, move him. But you won’t.

Assuming Jenkins stays, who will be the odd man out come September: Harry Douglas, Kerry Meier, or Eric Weems?
Eric Weems. We have Franks, Rodgers, Douglas, Julio, and Grimes who can all return. Owens can be the gunner with Schillinger and Douglas was actually a better return man when healthy. Unless Meier shows nothing in preseason, then move him to PS.

What’s your thoughts on the Akeem Dent draft pick after the dust has settled: great pick or reach?
It was a solid draft pick. A reach indicates that nobody else would’ve picked them at that slot. We know that someone was willing to trade up with us to pick him. Definitely not a reach.

Could Dent be headed for a future starting job at OLB?
I sincerely doubt it based on the roster, but the kid is a worker and I wouldn’t count it out. I am kind of waiting to see what the plan is with Adkins and James.

How much of a role will Jacquizz Rodgers play as a rookie?
He will help reduce some carries and make plays out of the backfield. He may have an impact on a few games but probably not as much as everyone thinks. Not unless we move away from our running style and philosophy. He may have impact on kick returns if we go that route. You got to remember that even health Norwood wasn’t used much.

Any chance of him taking snaps away from Snelling?
Definitely, he should take more of the 3rd down snaps and let Snelling be the 1A backup.

Have you warmed to the Matt Bosher pick yet?
Haha. The kid who is not a true punter or field goal kicker being drafted in the 6th round? This was a wasted draft choice no matter how you logic it. I understand drafting a potential UDFA to give them the playbook with the lockout but how hard is punt left, punt right, punt straight, and punt high. We are not “saving” a roster spot since we don’t have a designated kickoff specialist and this kid isn’t a great FG kicker. And can’t punt for distance or hangtime. What’s the name of Green Bay’s punter? Exactly.

If he is the Falcons opening day starting punter, will that ease the pain?
If he averages 55yds a punt and 5 seconds of hang time that will ease the pain. Him starting and punting 40 yards doesn’t help anybody. Maybe if he is the first punter in the HOF I will champion picking him instead of getting him as a UDFA.

With the selection of Andrew Jackson, who goes and who stays at guard: Harvey Dahl or Justin Blalock?
Dahl is gone. Limited athleticism and play is slipping. Blalock may actually be gone too and they bring up Valdez or Bruggeman.

Does the information coming out that said they would’ve picked Gabe Carimi if they would’ve stayed at #27 put Sam Baker’s future in doubt?
I think the fact they didn’t pick Carimi puts his future in doubt. He could have beaten out his clone probably not a talented LT.

Can Cliff Matthews make the team?
He will make this team unless someone picks him up if we put him on PS. He is better than Stephens. We need someone on PS to develop.

Can he contribute this year?
I believe so. Hard worker and ST player. What are we really getting from Anderson, Davis, and Sidbury? We can also carry Anderson as a DT.

WR

May 3rd, 2011
3:38 pm

Thanks for hardwork of even calculating the mocks D3, that in itself had to be a job for a family man with a real job, simply put, you should be getting paid. Back to the draft, haven’t caught up on the previous post so if I say something thats already been addressed, my bad.

I like the Julio Jones move again because of the aggressive nature this franchise is now showing in their attempt to bring ATL a Championship. Besides that, for all the value talk, and the misinterpretation of what the Falcons gave up(it was a 2 and 4 this year, a 1 and 4 next, the 1st this year should not even be considered it was a swap) they went after an explosive immediate impact player. They completely lacked that offensively, they weren’t going to get it defensely at 27, and please look at what other teams traded just to move up a few spots in the 1st, the Falcons moved up 21 and in comparison didn’t give up nearly as much.

Moving forward, we all wanted the Falcons to go after a FA DE, Johnson or Edwards, they still can, they probably will if they believe thats what they need, I’m still not even sure there, because they value some are talking about losing is whats on the current roster, notably Sidbury, Biermann, Adkins, Meier and Palmer, along with a nice amount of talented but raw members of the OL. The so called experts are in no better position then us regulars in the cage, they only go by what they see on a T.V., only the Falcons in their staff know whats being seen in practice, and progress thats developing amongst the youngsters. Which lastly brings me to my most important point, whether we as fans notice it or not the Falcons are extremely young which means players are still developing, yet we complain because they might have lost value in bringing in more youth and developmental players. All Julio Jones needs to do is be half of what most projected and the Falcons offense can radically attack any opposing D in the league, if Julio turns out to be what is expected this offense should truly be an unstoppable force. Now imagine that, and imagine adding a FA DE like Edwards or Johnson, if you can do that this draft wasn’t bad at all, and don’t get me started on Jaquizz Rodgers addition.

eM

May 3rd, 2011
3:41 pm

Is Osama really dead?

D3

May 3rd, 2011
3:45 pm

Great No-Feel Day BCFM’ers! —- First of all, congrats to Paddy O on the new award. Wish we had some money to get you a real trophy, but since it’s a “fan blog,” not really any money in the budget. I mean, there really isn’t even a budget at all.

I’ll take a stab at some of my own Q’s………

1.) After you’ve had to time to reflect, what’s your overall feeling on the Julio Jones trade?After the initial shock, I loved the pick the more and more my buddy chelf talked it about it. Did we give up some draft picks? Yes. Who have we taken the last two years in the 4th round: Lawrence Sidbury (the true defnition of a project) and Joe Hawley (likely a starter at some point, but not now). So the argument of the 4th rounders don’t really make me worry whatsoever. Those might as well be throwaway picks, given our depth up and down the roster.

The second and of course the first are really tough to give up. That being said, look at our other #2’s and #1’s the last few years. We didn’t have a #2 last year, but we got Curtis Lofton in 2008 and William Moore in 2009. Lofton of course has been our rock on defense, but still to this very day he has serious issues in pass coverage and sadly is still considered a 2 down linebacker unless his coverage continues to improve. He did BETTER in coverage, but still not good enough. Would he have started as a rookie if our depth was beyond terrible in 2008? Moore of course is one of our superstars in the making, but he did nothing as a rookie.

Our last few first rounders are well-documented. Jerry is still yet to make much of an impact at all and Spoon didn’t do very much either. Of course we have Matt Ryan, but then we also have Sam Baker in the 1st. Not saying we wouldn’t have gotten a solid starter at some point, but to say that we mortgaged the future is BS, because we really haven’t gotten much of anything from any 1st rounders in the TD era other Matt Ryan (Baker has progressed, though and Spoon’s limit is high).

uga_b

May 3rd, 2011
3:45 pm

Screen Pass

May 3rd, 2011
3:46 pm

Congrats Paddy O! Now on to the burning questions;

1. In terms of value we got raped. We did get what projects to be a good receiver so time will tell whether what we paid was worth the opportunity cost.
2. On paper near the top…on the field we will have to see.
3. Outright release or shop and sell. Getting a 7th or bag of Doritoes for Jenkins would be a win.
4. Weems. New rules will reduce return effectivness, not being a frontline receiver means buh-bye.
5. The J. Jones pick was a gamble, the Dent pick was an absurd reach..easily the worst pick of the Falcon draft if not in the entire draft. The spin that someone wanted him is pure BS and even if not who cares? We have Bear Woods to cover depth as a pure run stuffing ILB and if we are losing/moving Peterson then why not get a real ILB in M. Foster? This pick has cost TD whatever little credibility he had left. This pick was either mind blowing stupidity or a pure PR move to try an get a few more keesters in the seats/ added local support for new stadium.
6. Only if we are really desperate or really dumb.
7. That depends on MM. If MM has been trolling the spring Pop Warner league games and learned how to use a screen pass then J. Rodgers might really help. If the status quo is maintained and we use a midget as a tween the tackles sledgehammer then god help us.
8. There is always a chance.
9. Why would I ever warm up to a kicker? Yet another absurd reach. The season will not start without a new CBA which means FA would have been available to solve kicking needs.
10. He could start from here on out to eternity and it wouldn’t change how dumb this pick was.
11. The “Prez” is depth for now and will only replace who was leaving anyway.
12. Sam Baker’s future is in doubt because he isn’t a very good LT. Getting Carami would not have changed that and considering Carami would have been a RT most likely, he would not have even helped other than maybe replacing Clabo.
13. He better. We don’t have the picks to waste on people who don’t.
14. Sure, tackling dummies and practice squad fodder are always a help.

John Waynesworld

May 3rd, 2011
3:46 pm

Thank you D3 for setting me free on my last post…

D3, I don’t think Eric Weems would be happy with the award slot, after all he did produce a tad more than Mr. Meier.

1)The Jones trade is ballsy and shows intent. I like that. Let the naysayers have their time to set up their easy “I told you so’s” for the future, for if they are wrong, nobody will care by then. 2)Yes, we are now the second coming of TGSOT, with props to the Rams, however we need a new name…hmmm. 3)Michael Jenkins is our new Finneran, whether he likes it or not. 4)That’s a tough one and it will take some preseason (or an injury) to hash that out. 5)I think the Dent pick is a roster pick that was the best available out of whomever was on their list, so no it is not a reach. Whether it is a good pick will be seen. 6)He will have to improve his coverage skills for that to happen. 7)Rodgers will play alot IMO and will be invaluable to us. This guy will force other teams to use nickel backs as spies because he is so hard to pick up. They will have to key on him when he is in. 8) To be continued…

Falcons Fannnn

May 3rd, 2011
3:48 pm

There is no I in my nam… D3, please fix that.

Coop

May 3rd, 2011
3:49 pm

PaddyO – Congrats. Well play Sir… or ma’am… I’m never sure with these screen names. I’m honored to make MJ12 level, since I may be the only BCFMer that likes him! :)

uga_b

May 3rd, 2011
3:52 pm

Currently, Charles Johnson and Ray Edwards are RFAs with a 1st round tender. If they can’t agree to a CBA or new free agency rules, the 2010 rules will be in effect.

Again, the trade for Julio Jones effectively eliminated the option to sign Johnson or Edwards as RFAs since we have no 1st round pick. So you are talking trade, which will cost you.

uga_b

May 3rd, 2011
4:00 pm

Julio Jones Trade Effects

1 – Julio Jones

OR

1 – Akeem Ayers / Brooks Reed
2 – Greg Little / Randall Cobb / Leonard Hankerson / Jerrel Jernigan
4 – Rashad Carmichael / Davon House / Buster Skrine

1 – Charles Johnson / Ray Edwards (RFA Tender)
4 – Some guy

I like Julio but I like what we gave up more.

WR

May 3rd, 2011
4:01 pm

Hopefully this will help some understand what the Falcons did. Pittsburgh had by far one of the best defenses in the league, what could it do against GB. The Saints beat the Colts in the Superbowl, how did they do it. People its not just about the D, yes D wins championships, but only when it has an O protecting it, just ask the Ravens from back in the day.

The Falcons already had a ball control offense, back in the day, thats what protected your D whether said D was good or bad. In today’s watered down NFL, protecting the D isn’t just about keeping them off the field, protecting the D is about wanting the other team to keep your offense off the field. Notice how many teams with good offenses, good passing offenses, ran the ball so much against GB, but usually put themselves in unforgiving third down situations. Notice how the Saints with their prolific offense decided against the Colts to run the ball more in order to keep Peyton Manning off the field. The Saints had the ability to get in a shootout with the Colts, but didn’t like their chances, but again I restate the ability was there.

Against the Falcons there was no fear by GB, they could take all the chances they wanted offensively because the Falcons offense wasn’t an offense that could do major damage if you made a mistake. My friends in today’s NFL thats not protecting your D, the opponent has to fear putting the ball back in the opposing teams hands. The only fear opponents had toward the Falcons offense is the idea that they could just eat up so much clock with their power rushing attack, but when you have the D to stop it, it’s not much of a fear. Trust me, if Julio does what he’s supposed to, teams like a GB won’t be in such a hurry to go down field. Remember this: When Weems returned that 102 yd kickoff, how many loved it, but hated it at the same time because it left GB so much time, now imagine that same thinking finally being applied to the Falcons, trust me, if Jones is who many believe he is, he just improved the Falcons D.

Coop

May 3rd, 2011
4:02 pm

On to the questions:

After you’ve had to time to reflect, what’s your overall feeling on the Julio Jones trade? Better. We did get one of the best WRs in the draft. I don’t like giving up all the picks, but I do like that we made a bold move. Something had to give and after reflection, I’m happy that we’re taking chances. Now follow it up with some FAs.

Right now, where does our wide receiving corps rank in the NFL?
Do the Falcons keep Michael Jenkins and move him to slot, or is he a candidate to be moved for draft picks? Again, I may be the only BCFM that likes MJ12. Keep him and move him to the slot. Heck, you might have to start JJ in the slot. If you can trade him for a 4th or better, then go ahead, but I think he has worth on this team.

Assuming Jenkins stays, who will be the odd man out come September: Harry Douglas, Kerry Meier, or Eric Weems? Has to be Weems. With Rodgers AND Franks, we can’t afford to keep Weems to return kicks.

What’s your thoughts on the Akeem Dent draft pick after the dust has settled: great pick or reach? There is no question this was a MASSIVE reach. Only other TD reach that comes close is Hawley at OC.

Could Dent be headed for a future starting job at OLB? He better be. If we drafted him in the 3rd to backup Lofton, I’ll be sick!

How much of a role will Jacquizz Rodgers play as a rookie? Hopefully a ton. We need playmakers on the field. Change of pace back, wildcat, PR/KR, ST. When Norwood was healthy and on the field, explosive things happened. Put Rodgers out there and see what happens.

Any chance of him taking snaps away from Snelling? Hopefully. Snelling should spell MT. Rodgers should open a new dimension to the game.

Have you warmed to the Matt Bosher pick yet? Nope, none, zero. Can’t accept drafting a P in the 6th. Sorry.Could have had another lineman, CB, WR, TE. Koenen is not bad.

If he is the Falcons opening day starting punter, will that ease the pain? If he’s not, I’m throwing D3’s mug through my TV!

With the selection of Andrew Jackson, who goes and who stays at guard: Harvey Dahl or Justin Blalock? Dahl was a goner long before this selection. I love the guy and love what he’s done, but Blalock is younger with more upside. He’ll move to RG and Johnson will start at LG. The real question is whether Clabo stays or Reynolds is opening day RT. Would you start 3 new OL???

Does the information coming out that said they would’ve picked Gabe Carimi if they would’ve stayed at #27 put Sam Baker’s future in doubt? Maybe at LT, but he’s serviceable and if they had drafted Carimi, Baker would move to RT. The fact we have no #1 next year means Baker is safe for at least 2 more years. The news is more sickening that we could have gotten an OT and Jernigan in the 2nd. It makes it harder to swallow trading the picks for JJ. If he doesn’t turn out ot be the WR we think, it is gonna be real painful.

Can Cliff Matthews make the team? I hope so. I’d like him to replace Beerman on ST if nothing else. I think he could be a steal. Thought he’d go in the 5th.

Can he contribute this year? Maybe on ST.

Infamous

May 3rd, 2011
4:04 pm

I think J.Jones will make up most of his receiving yards through YAC.

I think Mike Jenkins will be valuable as a 3/4 WR. But at his current salary??

HD will be on his 2nd year removed from knee surgery, so I expect vast improvement.

KM seems to put a twinkle in Coach Smith and TD eyes when they speak of him, so I think it could be possible that we carry 6 WRs. I do think we have done this before.

I expect Cliff Mathews to take Sidbury’s role in the development area and Sidbury should see big minutes.

I have a feeling that we will keep all of our O-linemen because I think they will all be reasonable with their asking prices. For this reason, the new guy will be in development mode.

Why did we draft Dent in the 3rd round? Thats high for a reserve MLB. Are Lofton’s knee surgeries more serious than we know? This sounds a lot like the Peters pick last year filling in for Jerry. Unless he insurance at SLB in-case we lose ours in FA.

My big question is why there was no CB selected? Is that an area targeted in FA? We currently only expect to have Robinson/Grimes/Owens/Franks…correct?? I believe we normally roll with 5. I know we have one guy on the PSquad…but lets be real. I think we need a guy like Carlos Rodgers from the Redskins in FA (a solid vet from Augusta, GA – can cover, but has hands of stone) as a mid-to-upper-level talent.

That plus Ray Edwards or Charles Johnson and we are set!!

My understanding was that we near the bottom of the league in payroll. We know Blank is willing with the purse strings. Time for Smith/TD to open that puppy up and set up this team with a serious Super Bowl window run.

Just Do It!!

Infamous

May 3rd, 2011
4:17 pm

@WR: I really like your analysis. Thanks.

waynester

May 3rd, 2011
5:00 pm

uga b & Coop
I realize I’ll never convince you guys to Love the Matt Bosher pick, but it had to be done and we could NOT afford to miss on it, given the number of gambles we were already planning on making during this draft. I know you don’t buy it, but TD & AB had targeted specific players we were bound and determined to bring home and certain positions we were equally committed to filling through the draft… WR,RB and K/P chief among them. I don’t think we had just “a” guy but a couple at each position. In round one, Jones was our 2nd option since the deal we hoped for for Von Miller at #2 overall fell through. After CIN wouldn’t deal on AJ we were down to Jones. There was only one guy in this draft we would have taken that high at DE and it was Miller. WR was next on the value chart for us and we got the most elite guy available. In the 3rd, I think SW was right with us targeting Mason Foster. Dent was our next guy, so we got him to spell Biermann on STs while developing. I’m pretty sure Jaquizz was the #1 RB on our board and we showed it by moving up. In the 6th, the guy I believe we wanted at K/P was snatched up by the dam Eagles, so again, we went to the next guy on our stack, finishing our list of “must haves”, leaving us free for a couple of depth picks at positions of need. I was so focused on getting Henery in my mock(he was the best) that I didn’t look at Bosher as a possibility. I assumed we’d do what it takes to get him, even being willing to trade up since our need was so apparent. We’d already “tagged” Koenen once and we were only getting moderate bang for the (relatively) big bucks we’re paying Koenen. Our Kicking was Dead Last in the league in 2010 and Matt Bryant at 65%(under 50% from 40+) wasn’t cutting it. uga b mentioned FA Kickers and there are plenty but only a handful of elite guys. AT 84%, Adam Viniateri at Indy(they are planning on extending him),82%, David Akers at Philly(they drafted Alex Henery),84%, Phil Dawson at CLE(has a tender offer on the table),83%, Jeff Reed at SF(wants to stay in SF). That pretty much leaves Akers and PHI may want to keep him around through camp before deciding. Matt Bosher 84.7% is MUCH cheaper, just as accurate, and can do it all– just like we’ve wanted all along…like I said, I know ya’ll don’t see it that way but we desperately need Bosher step up and claim this job and keep it for a LONG time….

Arno

May 3rd, 2011
5:36 pm

Most explosive player in draft: Dimitroff

Screen Pass

May 3rd, 2011
5:42 pm

FA includes UDFA thus the “we had to get a kicker” shtick is pure tosh. How can Bosher be 84.7% in NFL kicks when he hasn’t played a snap in the NFL? Oh, you mean 84% in college kicks? I don’t give a flying f@ck in a rolling donut enough to look up last years college kicker stats to adequately compare Bosher to the rest because it doesn’t truly matter. He would have been an UDFA that could have been signed before the season starts. Is it your or TD’s argument that the season will begin before a new CBA is in place? No? Then please end the “we had to have him” and let’s screw ourselves out of a 6th pick argument.

Bangkapi Ajarn

May 3rd, 2011
5:48 pm

Ok, I have calmed down a bit, sorry if my off topic posts earlier upset anyone, going thru a rough period and I reacted to what I saw as ’bout damn time’ good news.

On to the Falcons in this driest of offseason dry spells possible.

Before taking a shot at the questions dejour, a lockout news update:

‘Updated May 3, 2011 5:17 PM ET
MINNEAPOLIS (AP)
A federal appeals court has agreed to a speeded-up schedule to hear the NFL’s appeal of the order that lifted the lockout a week ago.
The 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in St. Louis announced the schedule Tuesday. The court set a June 3 hearing, with 30 minutes of oral argument for each side before Judges Duane Benton, Kermit Bye and Steven Colloton.
U.S. District Judge Susan Richard Nelson issued her injunction stopping the lockout last week. The league appealed to the 8th Circuit, and the same three-judge panel issued a temporary stay of Nelson’s order on Friday.
The lockout was put back in place by the owners a few hours later. The 8th Circuit is still deciding whether to make the stay more permanent.”
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Appeals-court-sets-June-3-hearing-on-NFL-lockout-fight-050311

Bangkapi Ajarn

May 3rd, 2011
6:11 pm

1. After you’ve had to time to reflect, what’s your overall feeling on the Julio Jones trade?
TD wanted explosive and he got it. Think about it:
Beverages exploding thru the nostrils of mockers everywhere who did NOT mock JJ to the Falcons, and certainly not at 6.
Explosive diarrhea from “expert analysts” who were certain from their inside sources that the Falcons were taking Rudolph. Or Clayborn. Or whoever.
Jenkins accountant saw his calculator explode as several 0’s fell off the next contract in one fell swoop.
Explosive shouts of joy from Matty Ice to get another legit receiving threat.
Very explosive, mission accomplished.
2. Right now, where does our wide receiving corps rank in the NFL?
Top third, JJ is all talk no walk at this stage. He has yet to receive a pass against an NFL D. TD is aging, HD is still recovering, you don’t get better on potential, especially during a lockout where there is no progress made on the essential learning curve that JJ will encounter.
3. Do the Falcons keep Michael Jenkins and move him to slot, or is he a candidate to be moved for draft picks?
Candidate to be moved, he could rejoin Schwab from a while back in an interesting trade.
4. Assuming Jenkins stays, who will be the odd man out come September: Harry Douglas, Kerry Meier, or Eric Weems?
Maybe no one. We go with one kicker and a ST specialist (Weems). BUT, If he can be traded in a Tim Dwight type deal, he will be gone. Now, where is Al Davis’ number??
5. What’s your thoughts on the Akeem Dent draft pick after the dust has settled: great pick or reach?
Neither, it is insurance and depth in the 3rd at a position that would potentially be weak in both areas by the 5th (where we would need to fill a RB need anyway).

Bangkapi Ajarn

May 3rd, 2011
6:13 pm

6. Could Dent be headed for a future starting job at OLB?
I doubt it, unless injuries/defections occur in more than expected numbers.

7. How much of a role will Jacquizz Rodgers play as a rookie?
Quite a bit I hope.

8. Any chance of him taking snaps away from Snelling?
Unclear, Snelling could even be gone. It is a strange offseason.

9. Have you warmed to the Matt Bosher pick yet?
Warmed? It’s all relative. I accept the logic in a lockout offseason of drafting players that can be plug and play without an offseason program like a K/P, as well as combining the two into a single position under the new rules. Can’t get too riled either way on a 6th rounder.

10. If he is the Falcons opening day starting punter, will that ease the pain?
Lets just say that if he isn’t then the chill will return worse than ever. I don’t think taking him really caused them to lose anyone that they wanted, however. It was just a 6th in a bizarre year.

11. With the selection of Andrew Jackson, who goes and who stays at guard: Harvey Dahl or Justin Blalock?
Can’t guess, depends on the open market for FA G’s.

12. Does the information coming out that said they would’ve picked Gabe Carimi if they would’ve stayed at #27 put Sam Baker’s future in doubt?
No.

13. Can Cliff Matthews make the team?
Yes, as a S/T reserve only.

14. Can he contribute this year?
See #13.

JB FALCON

May 3rd, 2011
6:16 pm

waynester, 5pm, Excellent analysis.

JB FALCON

May 3rd, 2011
6:27 pm

Has anyone tried to look at the bright side of Bosher, such as he is. He will replace two players, giving us another slot.

Paddy O

May 3rd, 2011
6:31 pm

Assuming Julio does not get hurt (I would be very unhappy if he returns kicks), it is a fantastic move IFFFFF we also upgrade/innovate our offensive philosophy. I still think we need to mimic Seattles receiver sets – we need to be the only ones who know what is coming. With at least 2 great blocking RB’s, we can go double stack sets and still provide enough pass coverage, plus scoot out a screen pass guy. Should be a very interesting season – I hope preseason has us being more offensive than last year, which was a harbinger for things to come.

Paddy O

May 3rd, 2011
6:33 pm

I hope we hang onto to Jenkins – he was fairly productive in limited time, plus he acts as a genuine high quality back up. If Meier is healthy, as well as HD we should approach that 40 points a game goal.

John Waynesworld

May 3rd, 2011
7:03 pm

Paddy O, Jenkins is the new Finneran with only one year remaining on his contract. He is a good blocker for an every day WR, but so is Julio, plus Michael doesn’t have anywhere near the speed of Jones so he is an instant liability unless he is relegated to a role player in 3 wide out schemes. The only other option is a trade or the pine. Also, who knows about Kerry Meier, who may keep his value on special teams as a holder of kicks plus he has passing ability (and he’s cheap). The Falcons also know he could bring a high round tender if traded to the right team. Jenkins is in a tough spot.

I saw this in rotoworld:

“NFL.com’s Steve Wyche doesn’t believe the Falcons will “dump” Michael Jenkins after trading up for Julio Jones Thursday night.
Wyche is a former Falcons beat writer, so he has a good read on the situation. Still, Jenkins is due $3.5 million in 2011, and he has been “put on notice” that his starting job is in jeopardy. If he does stick, Jenkins could end up in the slot — especially if Harry Douglas fails to consistently make plays for a second straight year.”

D3

May 3rd, 2011
7:28 pm

FalconsFannnn — Fixed. Sorry about that.

waynester

May 3rd, 2011
7:37 pm

screen pass
How else are you to judge a prospect other than actual results? He was 84.7%/4 years. Obviously his NFL average is 0%. Every other kicker in the league has a 0% right now, too. If your argument is that we should re-sign our K and P, that’s a legitimate argument. If you’re suggesting we take a FA that’s a legitimate argument. If you’re saying we could have taken a comparable player in udfa, you’d be wrong, but you’d still have a legitimate argument. Problem is, you don’t say what you would do instead. There were only 2 guys who had what we wanted in a kicking specialist–in the draft,udfa or FA. We got one of them. We were aggressive and smart in this draft. We didn’t sit there passively waiting for the “draft to come to us” or hoping that a player we had targeted might be available later….

JB FALCON

May 3rd, 2011
7:38 pm

FalconsFannn, great job on 5 pts! I didn’t submit a draft because D3 didn’t have a level where I would fit in. He didn’t make a place because he didn’t think there was a way to get minus 2!

waynester

May 3rd, 2011
7:44 pm

One more thing–you seem to be assuming that since no other team took a K in the 7th that Bosher would have gone undrafted. We’re not the only team in the league that recognized the scarcity of great kickers in the draft. Henery and Bosher were the only 2 that DESERVED to be drafted, as evidenced by the fact that they are the only ones that WERE…..

uga_b

May 3rd, 2011
7:51 pm

JBF, what two players do you see him replacing? Koenen handles punts and kickoffs. Bryant handles FG/XP.

I can see him replacing Koenen but nowhere near Bryant. He hit 13 out of 17 FGs and missed 3XPs in nine games.

Plus we tried this with Koenen and it most certainly did not work. Maybe if we score TDs every possession and only go for two. I mean that’s why we got Julio Jones.

Waynester, Henery is a completely different story. Field Goal kicker with record-breaking accuracy and from distance.

Punter Comparison:
Matt Bosher (Miami) 44.3 (2010)
Derek Epperson (Baylor) 44.2 (2009); 44.8 (2010)

Guess who drafted the second one? nobody.

Bosher Negatives: Deliberate approach on placements. Average leg strength — sacrifices lift on longer kicks. Inconsistent on kickoffs. Had seven career punts blocked. (that’s comforting!)

JB FALCON

May 3rd, 2011
8:00 pm

uga_b, my mistake. Just trying to find a good point in drafting him. That’s just the way I am. I was wondering about that, after I wrote it. Bryant seemed to be doing pretty good. Koenen used be killer on the kick offs but I do seem to remember a punt that went 30 some yards and some others that I could have done better than. Seems TD mentioned something about the money Keonen is making.

waynester

May 3rd, 2011
8:28 pm

JBF
Bryant was better in 2010. He’s a career 75.6%, last year 28/31, 90.3% and at one point, had a streak of 15 in a row. He made ST player of the week from the Packer’s game. His major health issues are hamstring-related.
uga b
We wanted one guy to back up BOTH positions just in case–Epperson couldn’t do that even if his punting average is the same as Bosher, he can’t kick or kick off as far as i know…

Screen Pass

May 3rd, 2011
8:34 pm

“If you’re saying we could have taken a comparable player in udfa, you’d be wrong”

How could getting the exact same guy be wrong? Even if it wasn’t him who cares?

waynester

May 3rd, 2011
8:44 pm

Apparently Les Snead, TD,MS and AB care enough to expend a 6th on him NOT (insert player)…

waynester

May 3rd, 2011
8:46 pm

ps
again, you assume no other team would have taken Bosher if he was still on the board in rd 7….

Screen Pass

May 3rd, 2011
8:47 pm

Thank you uga-b! You left off the part where his long is 52 yards. If he was drafted for his FG kicking then this is an even bigger mistake.

Screen Pass

May 3rd, 2011
8:50 pm

Bosher was the 3rd ranked kicker. If someone else was gonna draft anybody it would have been the #2 guy. Let it go. TD isn’t a “genius” or infallible, live with it. Unless you are TD’s wife or agent then the TD is perfect shtick is creepy.

waynester

May 3rd, 2011
8:55 pm

Don’t make this personal, screen pass, I never said TD was perfect, I’m saying he made the best choice available. You denigrate Bosher for having a long of 52 yds–but fail to give him credit for being 49 out of 50 from 50+ yds.

waynester

May 3rd, 2011
8:57 pm

correction: I gave kicking stats–
he had 49 punts of 50+

waynester

May 3rd, 2011
8:58 pm

He had a 84.7 kicking %.* correction

waynester

May 3rd, 2011
9:02 pm

last 3 years
2008 90%
2009 87.5%
2010 76.5%

JB FALCON

May 3rd, 2011
9:18 pm

For whatever reason, Bosher is part of our team. I don’t believe TD would have drafted him just for the hell of it! To me, it’s like, maybe, having an ugly sister. She’s your sister and your life will be a lot easier if you accept that and work with what you have rather than it would be going through life telling everyone how ugly you sister is. Or, you could tell everyone how stupid your parents are because she turned out ugly, if in fact,she don’t grow up to be a knock out, killer, babe!

falcon21

May 3rd, 2011
9:24 pm

Wow JB, you have your own way of saying it but you do make the point. Anyway as Ken said, the draft is over and we got who we got so I guess we just have to learn to live with it.