Nicholas’ Breakout Year? Wire a Roster Lock?
Time to Shine?
Big Year Ahead?
Once Bright Star
One of the gaping holes left wide open by the departure of Michael Boley in free-agency was a big need at the strong-side linebacker position. Boley seemingly had a coming out year and was one of the few bright spots of the controversial and divisive year of 2007, having close to a Pro-Bowl worthy year after being drafted in the fifth round. Boley combined for 109 total tackles, 3 sacks, 7 pass defenses, and 2 interceptions. Many thought Boley would be the perfect candidate to build a young, new defense around.
Not in Accord
That scenario certainly turned out not to be the case when Dimitroff and Smith started their new regime in Atlanta. The promising young linebacker pulled one of the better disappearing acts in recent memory. He had a sub-par to terrible year that saw him getting benched in favor of journeyman Coy Wire as the season wore on. No one knows exactly what happened and both sides remained professional and never spoke of trouble, but it can be assumed that the two sides weren’t aligned. No player ran to free-agency quicker than Boley, which seemed all too fine with the new bosses. Michael Boley signed with the New York Giants for 5 yrs and $25 million, getting the fresh start and big contract he obviously desired.
Nicholas’ Chance
OLB Starter (Gail Burton/AP)
Every departure creates an opportunity for a player ready and hungry to take over a starting spot in the NFL. The position looks primed for Stephen Nicholas to seize the chance put before him. Drafted by Bolt Petrino in the 4th round, Nicholas came in with monster stats out of Central Florida (He finished his college career with 326 tackles, 20 sacks, and a school record 53.5 tackles for loss) and great physical skill set (6′3, 230, 4.64 40-time, 29 x 225). He was known as a fierce hitter and superb pass rusher coming into the draft. Playing in 13 games throughout his rookie year and all 16 games last year mainly on special teams, Nicholas was backlogged behind mainstays Boley and Brooking and saw action only sparingly last year in a backup role. Nicholas had a big chance to grab a starter’s job last year when Boley fell out of favor and disappeared from his once hopeful outlook, but the coaches went in favor of Wire.
Tough Season
Coach Smith’s new command showed that, regardless of name or draft status, the best player will play. That was the case when Coy Wire jumped up and stole playing time from Boley, eventually grabbing hold of the his starter’s spot for good, leapfrogging Nicholas in the process. This off-season it was revealed that Nicholas had the weight of the world on his shoulders dealing with health issues of his young son needing a heart transplant. We get wrapped up in football and players so much, but a reality check on what’s truly important is needed in the sports world sometimes. With the help and support of his teammates, coaches, and owner, Nicholas’ son is doing well. How could anyone come to work and concentrate on the job at hand with those concerns? Nicholas somehow did it though, still totaling 20 tackles, 1 sack, and 2 pass defenses. .
Ready to Shine
Through an off-season of hard work, perseverance, and sheer will, Nicholas seems primed to have a breakout year and be solid new cog in Atlanta’s new look defense built on speed and ferocity, lining up with the first team defense at mini-camp and OTA’s. It indeed would add to an already momentous story of resolve and purpose.
Is Coy Wire the Forgotten Defender?
Lost in all the shuffle of Boley exiting and Nicholas looking to take over one of the outside linebacker positions is Coy Wire. The relatively unknown OLB came out of nowhere to take playing time away from Michael Boley, and eventually grasping the starting position outright. Wire showed an extremely productive knack for supporting the run and sacrificing his body for a vicious hit. After taking over later in the season, Wire had a fairly prolific year collaring 34 tackles and 1 pass defense. More than any other player, Wire exhibited the new regime’s mentality that the best player will play, regardless of who you are and how well known you are. Before starting his stint in Atlanta, Wire is a journeyman who started 15 games in 2002 with the Buffalo Bills, but has played sparingly since. A look at Wire’s career stats:
Tackles – 219, Sacks – 5, Pass Defenses – 4,
A Roster Spot Lock?
Assured a Spot?
Even though he was serviceable as a backup and eventual starter last year, Wire is over 30 years old and doesn’t fall in line with the process towards younger, faster, and more versatile players. Although very stout against the run, Wire seems to have been a liability in pass coverage, not showing the versatility that Van Gorder and Smith seek. Wire has one of the most intense and best off-season work ethics of any Falcons player, and maybe that will translate this year. The coaching staff seems to be leaning towards giving Nicholas every opportunity to seize the position. Wire seemed all but assured of a roster spot with his well known ability as a special teams ace, but then the Falcons signed Jamie Winborn who is the same age and fits the same mold as Wire, so maybe his seat just got a little warmer. But as evidenced last year, he will be ready, willing, and able to take over if Nicholas falters as a starter. He’s done it before.
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Discussion Framework:
1) Is Nicholas ready to have a breakout year?
2) Does Stephen Nicholas give you hope or doubt about the new-look LB corps?
3) Does Wire’s age and relative anonymity bother you at all?
4) Should the Falcons look at current or soon to be free-agents at OLB?
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jason
August 9th, 2009
11:47 pm
D3, Good evening my man. Here’s my take. Coy Wire did an outstanding job taking over for Boley last year. How much affect would he have playing a 16 game schedule at OLB. Real quick, Wire is a ST demon, known for punishing hits, and sacrificing the body for the tackle. He is best suited for that. Also, provides an insurance blanket if Nicolas proves not ready for Prime Time.
Nicolas, The reason he did not step in for Boley was beacuse of the personal situation he was in with the hconcerns of the health of his son. I think Smitty knew this and did not want to overwhelm Nicoals with a starting spot. Boley was let go because of a difference in philosopphy I think. I also think that Nicolas being ready to assume the position made it easier to let Boley go.
Ed-Covington
August 10th, 2009
3:11 am
Where is everybody? Asleep like normal human beings, I hope. Anyone who does not know Coy Wire’s story: he suffered a debilitating(?) spinal injury while with Buffalo and was subsequently released. He worked his way back into shape and Dmitroff & Smith gave him a chance last year.
We were all really disappointed that Boley did not work out, for whatever reason. Two years ago he played like a perrenial all-pro and we thought that position would be settled for years. So much for potential. Wonder if it had anything to do with his subsequent legal problems and suspension with the Giants. Remember the hype around the drafting of Nicholas; almost the same as with Sidbury this year. This is his third year as a fourth round pick from another regime, it is make or break time. I hope he succeeds and the defense improves. Everyone worries about the losses of Brooking, Milloy, Jackson, Boley & Foxworth; but I think we rated like 25th out of 32 teams in rush defense and notmmuch better in pass and overall defense. Changes had to be made to improve the defense and I think that the additions through the draft and FA and the additional experience of the younger players such as DeCoud and Jackson in the secondary will improve the defense. Go Birds! A fan EVERY year since 1966!
Ed-Covington
August 10th, 2009
3:30 am
Since no one else is posting at this hour, I’ll address the other questions. Wire performed adequately, if not spectacularly, when he started. He will not be a star, but neither will he be a liability. The additions of Peterson & Winborn provided needed experience. Bierman, Sidbury and Adkins may play some OLB in certain packages. Sorry, don’t know much about Miles or James. I am not worried about the position; I believe they will perform at least competently on both sides. I’m sure that if, as happens every year, some really talented OLB surprisingly is waived by another team, TD & MS will claim him.
mitch
August 10th, 2009
7:20 am
Jason–first, again and on consecutive blogs to boot. Just how good can life get! Your pal, Mitch
JJ
August 10th, 2009
8:21 am
Peter King – MMQ (SI.com):
” I think the six-year, $50-million deal for Roddy White in Atlanta seems fair as long as White, no matter how well he produces in the next four years, doesn’t try to reopen it. The Falcons were willing to play ball with White with a year left on his deal, and the ability (quite likely, because of the looming uncapped year) to make him a restricted free-agent after this season. White had two nothing seasons and then two very good ones. For that, the Falcons should get a bare minimum of four years out of this contract.”
SeminoleWarrior
August 10th, 2009
8:30 am
Hold up one minute. My brother finds time to work on the car, repair a computer glitch, train the future WR/TE, spend quality time with the First Lady, and still post, time after time, impressive blogs. And serves as Commish of our league? D3 for Governor!! The man can do it all. Not that I am surprised though. Another fine post by our CEO and brother. How in the hell does he do it consistently like he does. Love the way my brother rolls…
At this time, I’m assuming that the furloughs are done and that he is back in the classroom this morn, engaging the minds of the next generation. If that is not a challenge, I don’t know what is.
D3, my brother, MAJOR PROPS to you for his OUTSTANDING commitment to the family, the Bird Cage, and the Falcon Nation. I’m damned proud to call you my wingman!!
NICHOLAS IS READY!!
Nicholas is ready to make his move. He has all the traits to be a very good one. He is fast, strong, and works incredibly hard. There is NO questioning his loyalty as he managed to somehow give his team focus and effort in the midst of what had to be PURE HELL for him and his wife. His effort did not go unnoticed by Smitty and TD for a reason. Clearly, there is something about this kid that translates into being a class act, a potential warrior on the field, and an even better man. Stephen will perhaps not be an all Pro this season but I’m on record right now, this guys will be a good one for years to come. His metal is not the stuff you find often. I’m in his corner 1000%.
SeminoleWarrior
August 10th, 2009
8:35 am
Wire will be retained for depth and his special team work. The LB I want to carefully watch over the preseason is Robert James. The man is a hitting fool!! He is effective in coverage and blitz schemes. He also offers the versatility to play some safety.
CBrass
August 10th, 2009
8:48 am
In reference to the other blog.
SW,
Yea I was scouting TG before the game even started…LOL
Sarah B,
I may be coming with some of my friends from work but if I need any help finding tickets I’ll be sure to ask. And you’re right mitch is an a$$(now back to ignoring him).
jason,
I think that Strig is the 10th person for FF.
long time falcon
August 10th, 2009
9:02 am
The moves made at the linebacking position are a perfect example of TD and smitty trying to create competition to make the position better. Fostering competition forces players to step up their games or else they could be out of job. Just like with JA98, he is no longer just going to be penciled in at DE just because he was the 8th pick. Davis is going to give him all he can handle and he better step it up or he’s going to the bench. Last season TD focused on building the offensive side of the ball so the incumbents on defense were pretty much safe. But this season its game on with the defensive side of the ball. The defensive line and secondary are also going to see heated competition as well. I think that was a big problem with previous regimes, guys came in all relaxed knowing they were going to be penciled in to start. With TD and company these guys better come to trainig camp ready to battle if they want to keep a job. I love this new regime with TD’s eye for talent and smitty’s no nonsense approach they are going to finally make us a long term winner.
long time falcon
August 10th, 2009
9:16 am
Seminole, Pat Yasinkas of ESPN who covers the NFC south, pegged nicholas as his breakout player on defense for the entire division. Thats high praise and I hope stephen can use those tremendous physical gifts to become a great linebacker.
John Waynesworld
August 10th, 2009
9:39 am
D3, the usual great commentary and analytics.
Yes, Nicholas is geared for a breakout season. In fact, I thought he would have a breakout season last year. Hind sight being 20/20, we all now know why last year was a tough one for Stephen. This year is all his and there’s a big tiger in that tank just waiting to pounce on some unsuspecting signal callers.
As far a Coy “Barbed” Wire, if Thomas Brown (who worked with Coy this summer) calls Wire’s off season workout “the hardest ever”, then Coy is our kind of player. I think he is a lock for special teams and a solid veteran backup for our young “D”.
D3, you know that TD is always looking for reinforcements and potential talent so I will confidently let our award winning front office handle that part of it. I do hear there are some good line backers coming in next year’s draft. We’re watching you, Rolando and Rennie!
Unca' Bob
August 10th, 2009
9:57 am
D3
S Nicholas is on a mission this season to show the Falcon Organization and team mates, the faith bestowed upon him last year will be repaided in full. The revelations in Pat Yasinskas’ article, which IMO, is the feel good story of the year, showed to me the true character of the Nicholas’ family. He will not disappoint .
BIRDMAN
August 10th, 2009
9:59 am
Thanks JJ .I guess I was asleep on the RW deal.I had’nt heard anything about it.Between my 16 yr olds fast pitch try outs and things goin on with my church .I have been busy this weekend .Other than comeing in a few times and reading what you gys have had to say and posting a few things on my self.I did’nt hear about RW .So he is back with us now ? not tht he ever left.And do you gys think this young D can hold up to the O ’s we are going to face this year.If not will our very good O be able to make up for it?
Unca' Bob
August 10th, 2009
10:03 am
Falcons WR Roddy White caught his first pass in training camp – a bubble screen from QB D.J. Shockley
JJ
August 10th, 2009
10:11 am
Atlanta Falcons
Date
Opponent
Line
Sept. 13
Miami
-4
Sept. 20
Carolina
-2½
Sept. 27
at New England
+7½
Oct. 4
Bye
Oct. 11
at San Francisco
+2
Oct. 18
Chicago
-3
Oct. 25
at Dallas
+4
Nov. 02
at New Orleans
+3½
Nov. 8
Washington
-4
Nov. 15
at Carolina
+3
Nov. 22
at N.Y. Giants
+5½
Nov. 29
Tampa Bay
-6½
Dec. 6
Philadelphia
-1
Dec. 13
New Orleans
-2½
Dec. 20
at N.Y. Jets
PK
Dec. 27
Buffalo
-5
Jan. 3
at Tampa Bay
-2
I beleive the home team receives +3, but the 49ers line is interesting!
Back to work, check in later.
Unca' Bob
August 10th, 2009
10:34 am
JWW,
Sergio Kindle, OLB, Tex and Sean Weatherspoon, OLB, Mizzo.
John Waynesworld
August 10th, 2009
10:57 am
Unca’ Bob,
Good ones! It just makes for more quality choices for us, if that is what we go for next year. I will read more on these guys. Thanks.
SeminoleWarrior
August 10th, 2009
12:04 pm
LTF, I am with Pat on this one. And you called it. The entire Falcon organization, from AB and Step, all the way down, stood by Stephen in some very difficult times. He will not let them or the Falcon nation down. Look out…a star is about to be born!!
SeminoleWarrior
August 10th, 2009
12:09 pm
Birdman, the defense will struggle at times but I am quite confident that they will mature as the season progresses. Leadership is the key and we have several young leader emerging. Babs is taking his role very seriously on the DL. Coleman is emerging in the secondary. Peterson was brought in to bring intensity and leadership to the young LB corps. I think it was my brother UnCa Bob (Semper Fi my man) who predicted that we will be in serious sync on D by week five. Tall order…but D3 and Jason have given me enough reason to put aside my reservations about BVG calling the defensive shots. I think the Process continues…..
SeminoleWarrior
August 10th, 2009
12:12 pm
Hey UnCa Bob, what about this scenario? ‘Spoon at WLB, Lofton at MLB, and Nicholas at SLB. I love it!!!
SeminoleWarrior
August 10th, 2009
12:13 pm
JWW, DT is not to shabby next season as well in case we have to dip back into that basket.
BIRDMAN
August 10th, 2009
12:15 pm
OK 50m deal !! I think he will shine .I see that the Maddon report say’s Gonzo is the best lookin in the NFC south. thats good to see also .
SeminoleWarrior
August 10th, 2009
12:19 pm
Birdman, as long as Mad Mike is calling plays, look for MR, RW, and MJ to be one of the NFC’s best trio for years to come. And if for some reason we lose Mad Mike in the coaching shuffle that is to come next offseason, have no fear…Coach Musgrave is more than capable of taking the reigns as OC.
BIRDMAN
August 10th, 2009
12:26 pm
Thanks Seminole Warrior….So you a FSU Man ?
Ric Roc
August 10th, 2009
12:26 pm
I’ve seen Coy Wire in TC and I would be very, very shocked if he didn’t come away with a roster spot. He looked great running with the 2nd unit.
Extremely happy for S. Nicholas and his family for the health of his son. Now that’s he’s able to concentrate more on football, I expect him be a consistent, fantastatic performer for the Falcons at the Sam Linebacker.
BIRDMAN
August 10th, 2009
12:35 pm
Man I realy like what I hear.Hope the team stays healthy so we can show the NFL what we got .Ya’ll think Shokley will start Saturday night aginst the Lions ?
SeminoleWarrior
August 10th, 2009
12:38 pm
B-man, I bleed Garnet and Gold my man; been a fan all my life. Got my degree elsewhere however due to my active duty career in the USAF. But FSU is college football to me; come visit us in Tally sometime and feel the intensity and the passion…
SeminoleWarrior
August 10th, 2009
12:40 pm
Still in the air on his starting BM…but he should see extensive time. I see no reason for MR or MT to be out there at all. They can be held out until preseason game three as far as I am concerned….too damned valuable to the Process!! We MUST see what we have at those key slots in terms of depth.
Unca' Bob
August 10th, 2009
12:41 pm
SW,
Spoon is the real deal. Ask W Moore. The man will bring it.
JJ
August 10th, 2009
12:41 pm
Sorry SW, anyone but Montoya/Kyle Bush!
SeminoleWarrior
August 10th, 2009
12:43 pm
UnCa Bob, I’m with you. I’m already planning to be the lead voice for his being our #1 draft selection next season. No doubt in my mind that he is the best WLB coming out!!
SeminoleWarrior
August 10th, 2009
12:44 pm
LOL, JJ. I’m already 2 for 2. I got Tiger yesterday and the Braves did it for me as well.
SeminoleWarrior
August 10th, 2009
12:45 pm
I need some help picking a new team since my man Dale Jarrett called it quits. I don’t want to bandwagon; I like to watch my guys grow into winners.
SeminoleWarrior
August 10th, 2009
12:46 pm
But if Danica comes over, I’m going to be all over that car like the Player is when he is in hot pursuit of Lady Sarah…LOL.
JJ
August 10th, 2009
12:47 pm
You really went out on a limb with your Tiger pick!lol
Montoya has been hot the last 3 weeks, but he’ll get into it with KB!
JJ
August 10th, 2009
12:48 pm
Best new kid not named Kyle, #20 Joey La-something, Home Dept.
SeminoleWarrior
August 10th, 2009
12:49 pm
So UnCa Bob, are you with me? We will form the Sean Weatherspoon in ‘10 draft committee right now?
SeminoleWarrior
August 10th, 2009
12:50 pm
Imagine the possiblities with we could have had Hood, Moore, and next year, Spoon. I’ll take two out the three!!
CBrass
August 10th, 2009
12:55 pm
Today is a great day!!! I just went and picked up my football tickets…UGA that is!!!!
I think that Nicholas will be fine. He is surely going to boost some head this season. His little man is good and healthy now which means both his head and his heart will be in the game. Last season I’m sure his head was in the games but his heart was with is wife and son at the hospital. Also the fact that he’s not going the let the AB and the rest of the Falcons nations down!!
JJ
August 10th, 2009
12:56 pm
Montoya just ran over another teams jack man…think he wants to win…lol!
Unca' Bob
August 10th, 2009
12:57 pm
JJ,
Lagano, Joey.
SW,
Spoon will be the first OLB drafted. He will gone by the time we pick.
Got Kurt Busch in a local pool.
JJ
August 10th, 2009
1:00 pm
He’s ok, just banged up a little and montoya apologised. Unless it pays real good, think I’ll pass on that job!
Unca' Bob
August 10th, 2009
1:01 pm
Seminole Warrior,
A little Bio on Spoon. Wait until you read last years Stats.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1123346
SeminoleWarrior
August 10th, 2009
1:01 pm
CBrass….you went the wrong way my dear…You should have bought FSU tickets…LOL. Glad that you are ready for the season.
Anytime you Georgia fans want to send Mark Richt packing, we will be ready to bring him home!!
jason
August 10th, 2009
1:02 pm
Good morning guys. Night shift is killin me. I was off this weekend and still up half the night. Alot of good posts on Nicolas. D3 had some good questions to ponder? I posted on Nicolas and I think he will have a breakout year. I don;t know how big, though. Just a dependable starter this year and I would be happy. I also think Wire will be a strong contributor this year as well. When you look at what we have at LB, it is interesting. We have Nicolas, Lofton, and Petereson as our startrers. The question comes at the back ups. I feel like Spencer Adkins will make the team as a ST Warrior. That’s 4 for 6 spots. This will come down to Wire vs James vs Winborn vs Gilbert. I feel like Wire has the edge from what he did last year on ST and as a starter in place of Boley. The only thing working against him is his age. Winborn, I think is here for merely competition. If he somehow catches fire and starts dropping everything, I could see him taking a spot, highly unlikely, though. The real battle for the last spot will come down to Gilbert vs James, and may the best man win.
SeminoleWarrior
August 10th, 2009
1:06 pm
Nooooooo…we will get him UnCa Bob.
SeminoleWarrior
August 10th, 2009
1:07 pm
I saw him on my dish last year while monitoring William Moore. So I know what he can do. Given Spoon and Aaron Curry this year, which would you take, UB?
SeminoleWarrior
August 10th, 2009
1:10 pm
Wire, James, and Gilbert will make the cut with Adkins being brough back for practice squad duties. Remember, special teams are a HIGH priority with TD. He draft James for that role last season and Wire adds that “it” factor as well as provides depth. We can keep Adkins on the practice squad and move him into the active roster next season.
CBrass
August 10th, 2009
1:11 pm
SW,
Yea we all know who the brains behind that operation was. It will be a while before we let Richt go.
D3,
As always another great blog. You’re doing an outstanding job.
BIRDMAN
August 10th, 2009
1:12 pm
Yes I agree that there’s know use playin our no 1 QB Matt.We don’t need some new D player or someone else hurting him before the reg season will start. Just thought maybe Smith might would start Shock because of the way his doin this trainin and the fact also he did’nt start last pre season.Don’t matter to me its just a thought. Is Bobby B still with the noles this year ? and I grew up round That area .Sorry though I like the Dogs and Jackets nothin personal.
mitch
August 10th, 2009
1:22 pm
Cage Birds–here’s one that might rattle you. Mike Smith was talking about RW being back in camp, about the lost time, and said that you can get money back but you can’t get time back. That’s what he said, more or less–you can get money back but you can’t get time back. The question to me is, what does that mean? See what I’m saying? What did he mean by that?
For instance, I went back over to Walmart and bought 200 minutes on my phone card. Which is all I hard to start with. See?
SeminoleWarrior
August 10th, 2009
1:25 pm
Bridman, no offense taken. BB is still there; there is a lot of talk that this is the grand finale but I will wait and see. And since CB is holding Mark Richt hostage in Athens, I guess hope that he comes back for one more round as I’m not sold on Jimbo Fisher.
Here is how I would handle the QB situation…
I would give Shock and JPW each three quarters in the first two games with Redman mopping up. He has experience so it will not be a big deal. The third preseason game start would go to the best of those two in a 50/50 split with Redman. Most of the Cage feels that this is where we will make the decision to cut Redman as a cap reliever. MR should not touch the ball until the final preseason game.
CBrass
August 10th, 2009
1:33 pm
SW,
Haha yea I’m keeping a tight lock on him for the foreseeable future and beyond. The only way I see Richt leaving is if FSU offers him the sun, the moon and the stars.
On the Redman note do you think he would take a pay cut to stay on the roster since he has more experience than Shock and pretty boy Wilson?
SeminoleWarrior
August 10th, 2009
1:37 pm
CB, that is exactly what I think will happen. Our QB depth chart will not change. It will end up being MR, Shock, and Redman. Redman will redo his deal to stay with us. There really is not much else out there for him as most of the teams with QB needs seem to have already addressed them.
CBrass
August 10th, 2009
1:40 pm
SW,
So JPW will most likely end up on the practice squad then?
Unca' Bob
August 10th, 2009
1:42 pm
SW,
You know I’m big on Curry. He was my DROY pick. Spoon had 155 tackles last year. That is not a typo, not career, that is last year. They strap a concussion device onto him to monitor how hard he hits.On a scale to 100, 95 being concussed, he is at 92-93.
SeminoleWarrior
August 10th, 2009
1:45 pm
UnCa Bob, are you checking out your prized pupil today? She is on fire. Again my dear CB, I’m with you. JPW is practice squad bound.
SeminoleWarrior
August 10th, 2009
1:46 pm
Yep..I recall your DROY prediction. I guess I will have to adjust given that William Moore is injured and may not start now given the play to date of Thomas DeCoud.
Unca' Bob
August 10th, 2009
1:47 pm
SW,
No surprise here.
SeminoleWarrior
August 10th, 2009
1:50 pm
CB and UnCa B,
Here is one to ponder? If the Vikings offered a third or fourth round pick in next year’s draft for Shockley, would you take the offer and trade him?
Unca' Bob
August 10th, 2009
2:03 pm
SW,
J Shockly was D7, at#225 over-all. No, I think I keep him.
CBrass
August 10th, 2009
2:06 pm
SW,
That’s hard to ponder. I love seeing Shock stay home but I will say if it meant more playing time and money for him I wouldn’t be selfish and try to keep him here. He’s a hard worker and deserves a shot to play and show case what he can do. His opportunity isn’t going to come with MR playing lights out the way that he is. I would root him on no matter where he goes!!! Plus TD is great at finding hidden gems in the late rounds..i.e Biermann.
SeminoleWarrior
August 10th, 2009
2:13 pm
Good points my friends. I see Shock as ATL’s version of Jim Sorgi, the Indy backup. Be ready at all times but just know that the odds are not in your favor. I guess that is where the Process comes into play.
Unca' Bob
August 10th, 2009
2:20 pm
SW,
A third round pick could very well come on as a starter. Having said that, if you are comfortable and confident with your #2 QB, and having four years of nurture invested , that’s why I keep him.
CBrass
August 10th, 2009
2:21 pm
SW,
It just sucks for Shock. It’s like every where he goes he gets stuck behind an elite quarter back.
SeminoleWarrior
August 10th, 2009
2:22 pm
Points well received my friends.
SeminoleWarrior
August 10th, 2009
2:23 pm
Thus my Sorgi comparsion CB…same can be said for that brother in Indy. He just buys his time and when they need him, which is rare, he is there.
John Waynesworld
August 10th, 2009
2:23 pm
I found some other guys I am researching. Maybe some names are familiar:
OLB Jerry Hughes, TCU
DE/OLB Antonio Coleman, Auburn
OLB Brandon Lang, Troy
There are quite a few guys in the 2010 draft at the OLB position, including some DE’s and SS that could make the transition. Next year’s draft should be a treasure chest for the Falcons, even after the top three or 4 LB’s are taken. One mock draft site, nfldraftdog, even has Sean Weatherspoon falling to us at #24.
jason
August 10th, 2009
2:31 pm
SW, why would MIN give a 3 rounder for a 7 rounder. They will Farve coming outta his wheel chair ( LOL) anyway. I have a question on these Mizzou players, Hood, Moore, and now witherspoon. Are these guys really that good? They are all coming from a Big 12 School, and they don’t play defense there. The reason I ask is Witherspoon and Moore both should have alot of tackles, seeing how they both are in pass coverage all the time. Don’t get me wrong, I am glad we got Moore. Probably the best player on that defense, but I am no going to be quick to say Witherspoon will be the best LB in the draft next year.
Here’s a question on the roster. We can carry 53 on the roster, and I believe we can carry 7 on the practice squad, how many on the practice squad can be untouchable? I thought I read somewhere that you can protect a player on the practice squad. If not, then there is no way I am putting Adkins on the practice squad so someone else can claim him. Besides, I have been saying since the draft that all picks would make the team this year.
SeminoleWarrior
August 10th, 2009
2:46 pm
Jason, I was just throwing something out there to keep the flow moving. My honest feel is,as I stated, that Shock will become ATL’s version of Jim Sorgi. Redman will restructure to stay on the team but Shock will be the long term #2. Two reasons: 1) He appears to be a good study and 2) His UGA connections and local appeal will sell tickets. Mad Mike will incorporate some “Slash Stewart” plays into the scheme for him.
You can protect a player on the PS until November. Then if there is no action on him, he can have a claim placed on him by another team. That is what happened last year with Sarah and my guy Snelling. Dallas had a desire for him so we moved him off the PS to protect him.
As far as the Mizzou defensive stars we have been discussing, I truly do think that they are that good. And with our defensive coaches, they could be major players. Sean Weatherspoon is just that good for sure!!
JWW, I truly believe he could be available to us at our pick.
SeminoleWarrior
August 10th, 2009
2:51 pm
The LB corps and its future is second only to the OL situation next offseason in my opinion. Nicholas is a FA in 2011 so this is crucial year for him and he will shine. Wire and Petersen are both done also in 2011 but they are on the wrong side of 30. Robert James is with us until 2012. So we have to look at the draft again.
The best FA OLB available next off-season will be Thomas Davis. Easy, all you Georgia fans!! He will command a high price and given our OL issues, we may not be able to make a legit run at him. But what a find if we could…Davis, Lofton, and Nicholas. All in their prime, mid 20’s, and secured for the long haul. No that would be a nightmare LB corps!!
jason
August 10th, 2009
2:53 pm
SW, I was just curious about the Mizzu guys. You know how in college you can get labeled.
No probs on the J thing, I was just curious about that scenario; a # round pick for a 7 rounder.
What you said about the PS, I can see Adkins placed there as much as I want him on the team playing ST. That wouls be the wisest so you can keep both Wire and Gilbert.
SeminoleWarrior
August 10th, 2009
2:57 pm
Jason, Childress is a joke!! Nate Davis from Ball State was there for him to take as a development project. Davis is a little shorter than the norm but he has some serious upside. If he is the QB guru he claims to be, then bring then left Rosenfels keep the seat warm while he worked more with Jackson or Davis. I’m tired of all these “geniuses” thinking that Favre is the savor of all. The dude is done!!
Oops…sorry for that rant. Back to defensive chat.
Singletary
August 10th, 2009
3:01 pm
D3 — sooooo much to absorb here. Glad you landed in these forums to give us some real, hard-hitting NEWS. Lotsa depth and history in this post, and we appreciate it.
jason
August 10th, 2009
3:02 pm
SeminoleWarrior, That’s why I mentioned Farve. He will come back and play for MIN, but like Roger Clemens, he will hold the team hostage for millions of dollars just to be a mediocre QB. That’s all he his at this point. I used to like Farve, lost alot of respect for him these past 3 year or so. Contemplating retirement just so he can get a new deal for even more money. Players like him is a lot of what’s wrong in sports.
SeminoleWarrior
August 10th, 2009
3:05 pm
Well Cage, I’m heading off to the land of No BLog access for the next 8 hours or so. But I will check in when I return to the TeePee later.
Safe rolls home to you all, if you at home keep chilling, and I’ll see you all on the other side.
ONE NATION…FALCON NATION.
SeminoleWarrior
August 10th, 2009
3:06 pm
Right on Jason…I’m with you on that!! Laters bro.
CBrass
August 10th, 2009
3:10 pm
SW,
Have a good one at work.
SeminoleWarrior
August 10th, 2009
3:13 pm
Have a good one CB…see ya laters!
Falcon Devil
August 10th, 2009
5:13 pm
Can’t wait for the first preseason game! Does anyone know the TV details? Will it be on NFL Network? I am in Seattle so I gotta figure out a way to watch…
BT
August 10th, 2009
5:21 pm
Good Job D3 and the day shift cage rs, lots of good stuff.
It`s time for the evening shift to clock in.
Been saying, Nicholas is about to breakout like a bad rash, causing pain and suffering, the guy can seriously bring the wood.
The difference we should see in SLB position should be profound as Boley played like he was on roller skates last reason.
I can`t help but pull for Wire.
I think, (and hope) he makes the roster?
He`s tough, for sure.
All teams need hard working role players.
BT
August 10th, 2009
5:23 pm
Falcon Devil- yeah, it will be on The NFL Network.
BT
August 10th, 2009
5:26 pm
BTW, for the locals.
The Lions game will be televised on MY ATL ATLANTA
BIRDMAN
August 10th, 2009
5:34 pm
I know the game is at 8PM not sure witch station here is going to show it .But there is one I saw one saying the other day they would carry it but don’t remember who? It would be cool to see Staford and Shock hit it off, but that prob want be the case.Anyway I look forword to it .I think everybody here is ready to see them Birds on the field . So we can all get a looksee on some of what we got.Back at ya when I find out.You may not get it there thow ?
BT
August 10th, 2009
5:35 pm
All-Falcons Monday (Take III): VanGorder under gun again
FLOWERY BRANCH – The Falcons won 11 games last season. I felt the need to type those words again as a reminder because after looking at some defensive statistics from 2008, I was afraid maybe I had imagined the whole season.
They had the 25th ranked rushing defense. They had the 24th ranked overall defense. They allowed 64 plays of 20-plus yards, which would’ve been just like the Pittsburgh Steelers, if only the Pittsburgh Steelers had been headless and limbless. (Full-bodied, the Steelers allowed only 27 such plays.)
The New Orleans Saints lit up Atlanta for 25 first downs and 521 yards. The Falcons won that game, 34-20.
“Now, we weren’t always perfect,” Brian VanGorder said, smiling. “But you look at points allowed, which is the key stat for a defense, and we did a pretty good job.”
VanGorder is the Falcons’ defensive coordinator. I venture to say that if you really want to know how many games the team will win this season, it starts with him. With Matt Ryan, Michael Turner, Roddy White and Tony Gonzalez, the question isn’t whether the Falcons will score a ton of points this season — the question is how many games they’ll be forced to win 34-30.
Gone from the defense are several veterans, including Lawyer Milloy and Keith Brooking. The team will be younger and faster. But there’s also the possibility they will be younger and faster but run in the wrong direction.
The Falcons finished 24th in total defense but 11th in scoring last season.
Then again, VanGorder and head coach Mike Smith (whose background is in defense) somehow managed to make things work a year ago. Opponents’ offensive possessions could have been measured by the acre. But the defense allowed only 20.3 points per game, which ranked 11th in the league.
They didn’t do this with an inordinate number of sacks or interceptions or forced fumbles. They just did it with . . . well, we’re not exactly sure how they did it. Must’ve led the league in survival techniques.
VanGorder has heard the smoke-and-mirrors references. His response: “I don’t get concerned when I hear those things. From my standpoint, we had good chemistry and a bunch of guys committed to doing what they needed to do for us to win.”
When asked about the onus being on the defense, he said, “I think most of us, meaning defensive coordinators, always feel that way. Offenses across the league have gotten more challenging for us. But the pointing at the defense, the wondering about us and all that – we can’t focus on that.”
He’ll tell you he likes this situation. Young players he can mold. Young players he can be aggressive with. He said he considers himself, “a developmental coach.” It’s what made him so successful for four years at Georgia (a standard Bulldogs fans will tell you that Willie Martinez hasn’t quite lived up to).
It has taken VanGorder a while to get comfortable since then. A year at Jacksonville coaching linebackers. A forgettable season at Georgia Southern as the head coach. A year with the Falcons under Bobby Petrino in 2007, after which he accepted the coordinator’s job at South Carolina — only to make a 180 and decide to stay after Smith’s hiring (which didn’t thrill Steve Spurrier).
There will be some debate about who should get more credit for the defense: VanGorder or Smith. But there’s no questioning how players feel about him. As cornerback Erik Coleman said, “He did great last year in terms of instilling us with that sense of urgency. We love his aggressive [nature]. We take on the personality of our coordinator – being aggressive, being physical, flying around. That’s what we like to do. That’s part of our identity.”
It’s an identity that enabled them to win 11 games last season. Even if the numbers don’t quite add up.
BIRDMAN
August 10th, 2009
5:39 pm
Thank BT
BT
August 10th, 2009
5:45 pm
In regards to the above article.
The Falcons did it with superb special teams play.
The kick cover teams was the best I have ever seen.
To allow only 49 punt return yards (on the season) is a stat that is mind boggling.
Forcing teams to go 75 yrds to score helped keep the points scored against down.
I think, BVG is a good DC but he was working with garbage to defend against some of the best offenses in the NFL.
BIRDMAN
August 10th, 2009
5:57 pm
Yeah the young D kinda bothers me ! But if there ‘bad’ do you think the games will be high score and wil the good lookin O be able to over come.? We play a lot tougher schedule this year also.
John Waynesworld
August 10th, 2009
6:09 pm
BVG is a mad man! I love this guy. I would have lost it all for the man, though, if he had gone with Spurrier.
Spurrier – The Anti-Coach.
Nookah
August 10th, 2009
6:15 pm
D3, nuff respect!!! Cagers, greetings to one and all. I have just caught up with my reading and I am so proud of you all. Is there a “Fan Blog Ranking”? We should be pretty high on that list…lol
Some very good points by one and all and with the intermittent link and “fact bits” that come piling in, it all makes for very entertaining and informative reading. Keep it up guys and gals.
Some things I think, I think (respect to Peter King). I think Nicholas will have an excellent season. I think he will play with reckless but controlled abandon. I think he is more than appreciative of the “love” shown to him during a very difficult time in his life and he will play with this in mind and will come to every tackle very hungry. I think he will be fine and rise above the ocassion. This indeed augers well for the Falcons!!
On the question of Cory Wire, I am also very optimistic about him. I have no problem with his age. I think he has a lot more “thread” on those tires and will do us proud this season. I saw a little piece of the feature on him and he seems to have stepped up his training regimen and will have a well tuned motor this year. He along with our younger LB’s will de-wire the offense this year and I can’t wait!!!
I also have no problem with Cory’s relative anonymity or any of the other LB’s for that matter. I rather have the “No Name” defense. Smitty and Van Gorder can help them stay hungry. I also have no problem with the so-called experts (or most of them), expecting us to underachieve this year. However, I am guided by Ken Strick’s usual “sermon”…..we may win less games but be much improved. Keep preaching it my brother.
Glad to have Roddy back in the fold and I endorse what Smitty says….you can’t recover time. Hopefully he will reward us fans and the organization with a memorable season and show us how much he appreciates the new contract.
Go Falcons!!!!
Nuff respect everytime!!!
Nookah
August 10th, 2009
6:26 pm
BT, thanks for reminding us of that stat. That is exactly why we were 11th in points allowed. 49 punt return yards is an unbelievable stat. That is 3 yards per game…may I repeat…3 yards per game!!! Is that a record? Must be!!! Please enlighten me fellow cagers if it is not and tell me who has the record.
We as fans tend to underestimate the importance of special teams. It can give our offense a very short field to work with or our opponents offense a longer field to try to score. That is exactly why we beat a lot of teams last year. It was all started by the special teams. Hopefully thay can improve on that performance.
Excellent point BT.
Go Falcons!!!!
Nuff respect everytime!!!!
Unca' Bob
August 10th, 2009
6:34 pm
Nookah,
It is an all time NFL record and the best kept secret in the NFL. The possible exception, S Nicholas and his families trials and tribulations last year.
BIRDMAN
August 10th, 2009
6:36 pm
Like I said we don’t have as easy a ride as we did last season.I hope special teams can do as well aginst this scedule ? Thanks cagers……….
GO…FALCONS
CBrass
August 10th, 2009
6:55 pm
Nookah,
The previous record of 53 punt return yards was held by the Buffalo Bills back in 1991. You’re right it’s amazing what the punt return team did last season.
http://www.atlantafalcons.com/News/Articles/2008/12/21-31/Special_teams_carry_NFL_record_into_playoffs.aspx
BT
August 10th, 2009
6:56 pm
BIRDMAN, The Falcons have a three headed monster in Turner, White and Gonzalez.
That`s just the Pro Bowler, without even including Ryan, Norwood and Jenkins plus, a very good O-line.
The games will be high scoring alright.
With a younger, faster and more aggressive defence that`s hell bent on stuffing the run, pressuring the passers and creating more turnovers.
The pressure will be on opposing teams to stay in the games.
The Falcons offense likes to strike early and secure an early lead, then pound you with a smash mouth rushing attack.
An attacking agressive defence is the correct compilment IMO.
Speed and agressiveness is > than just standard well coached technique.
CBrass
August 10th, 2009
6:58 pm
Looks like Lofton returned to practice today.
http://jmike.blogs.atlantafalcons.com/2009/08/10/getting-close-getting-healthy/
Unca' Bob
August 10th, 2009
7:07 pm
CBrass,
To those that claim last years 11-5 record was a fluke because of our easy schedule, please process the folling.
Eleven of the Falcons 2008 opponents finished the year at .500 or better.
Unca' Bob
August 10th, 2009
7:11 pm
CBrass,
That was taken from your 6:55 post.
D3,
Per my earlier post, please install spell check(LOL).
BT
August 10th, 2009
7:45 pm
CBrass, Thanks for the link.
Good to hear Curtis and Trey Lewis are both back into action.
Getting as healthy as possible is a major goal for game #1.
CBrass
August 10th, 2009
7:47 pm
Unca’ Bob,
I’m confused I was answering Nookah question of whether 49 punts return yards the Falcons allowed last season was a record. But any who…I didn’t know that 11 of their opponents finished .500 or better. Glad you shared that!!!!