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		<title>By: Ken Strickland</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-falcons-fans/2009/08/06/young-receivers/comment-page-5/#comment-1354</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Strickland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 20:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CHC4-very good observation on the holdout issue. And you&#039;re wrong about RWhite not being able to force his employer to do anything. He might not be able to force them to do what he wants, but he can force them to do something. 

Exactly what is your criteria for determining that RWhite isn&#039;t in LFitzgerald&#039;s league?  I beg to differ, and here&#039;s why.

                         2008
               REC    YDS    TD     AVG
     
FITZGERALD     96    1431    12     14.9
WHITE          88    1382     7     15.7  
                         2007

FITZGERALD     100   1409    10     14.1
WHITE           83   1202     6     14.5
                         
                           2006
FITZGERALD     69    946     6      15.7
WHITE          30    506     0      16.9

The following is the ranking of Atlanta and Arizona&#039;s total passing OFF&#039;s over the last 3 yrs. 

               2008         2007        2006
ARIZONA        2nd          5th         10th
ATLANTA        14th         18th        DEAD LAST

RWhite has caught passes from 5 different QB&#039;s over the last 3yrs, 3 of them in 2007, and has had 3 different HC&#039;s, OC&#039;s and OFF systems in that period. In 2006 the Falcons led the NFL in fewest pass attempts. Fitzgerald has benefitted tremendously from playing his entire NFL career in a high octane passing OFF. 

ANYONE THAT CAN OBJECTIVELY COMPARE THEIR STATS AND THEIR VASTLY DIFFERING CIRCUMSTANCES, CAN SEE THAT RWHITE IS DEFINITELY IN LFITZGERALD&#039;S LEAGUE, AND THEN SOME. Please show me what you have to the contrary, besides your personal opinions, conjecture and wishful thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CHC4-very good observation on the holdout issue. And you&#8217;re wrong about RWhite not being able to force his employer to do anything. He might not be able to force them to do what he wants, but he can force them to do something. </p>
<p>Exactly what is your criteria for determining that RWhite isn&#8217;t in LFitzgerald&#8217;s league?  I beg to differ, and here&#8217;s why.</p>
<p>                         2008<br />
               REC    YDS    TD     AVG</p>
<p>FITZGERALD     96    1431    12     14.9<br />
WHITE          88    1382     7     15.7<br />
                         2007</p>
<p>FITZGERALD     100   1409    10     14.1<br />
WHITE           83   1202     6     14.5</p>
<p>                           2006<br />
FITZGERALD     69    946     6      15.7<br />
WHITE          30    506     0      16.9</p>
<p>The following is the ranking of Atlanta and Arizona&#8217;s total passing OFF&#8217;s over the last 3 yrs. </p>
<p>               2008         2007        2006<br />
ARIZONA        2nd          5th         10th<br />
ATLANTA        14th         18th        DEAD LAST</p>
<p>RWhite has caught passes from 5 different QB&#8217;s over the last 3yrs, 3 of them in 2007, and has had 3 different HC&#8217;s, OC&#8217;s and OFF systems in that period. In 2006 the Falcons led the NFL in fewest pass attempts. Fitzgerald has benefitted tremendously from playing his entire NFL career in a high octane passing OFF. </p>
<p>ANYONE THAT CAN OBJECTIVELY COMPARE THEIR STATS AND THEIR VASTLY DIFFERING CIRCUMSTANCES, CAN SEE THAT RWHITE IS DEFINITELY IN LFITZGERALD&#8217;S LEAGUE, AND THEN SOME. Please show me what you have to the contrary, besides your personal opinions, conjecture and wishful thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: chc4</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-falcons-fans/2009/08/06/young-receivers/comment-page-5/#comment-1286</link>
		<dc:creator>chc4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 21:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken -- you are way off here. First of all this is Roddy&#039;s first holdout. As a rookie coming into the league one can&#039;t &quot;holdout&quot; if there&#039;s no contract involved. The media is wrong for using this term when referring to guys rookies Knowshon and Crabtree not being in camp. No one on their right mind would report for a job without a contract or at least some stated terms and conditions. To bea  holdout, once must be under contract.

Secondly, you&#039;re dead wrong about Roddy&#039;s situation. He can&#039;t force the Falcons to do anything. TD could tell him to suck an egg and guess what.... Roddy will report to the team later in the preseason. He would have no choice but to play for the $2.8m this year. As a white collar worker I make more by selling more and don&#039;t whine and complain about it. My base salary hasn&#039;t changed in years nor do I expect it too. 

What you don&#039;t seem to understand is the team holds all the cards here, Roddy basically holds none. Not sure why you seem to take that personally.

And lastly, anyone that even tries to make the argument that Fitzgerald may not be in RW&#039;s league is totally irrational. It&#039;s tough to argue with someone that makes such an absurd statement. Even Chris Mortensen said he&#039;s not in LF&#039;s league.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken &#8212; you are way off here. First of all this is Roddy&#8217;s first holdout. As a rookie coming into the league one can&#8217;t &#8220;holdout&#8221; if there&#8217;s no contract involved. The media is wrong for using this term when referring to guys rookies Knowshon and Crabtree not being in camp. No one on their right mind would report for a job without a contract or at least some stated terms and conditions. To bea  holdout, once must be under contract.</p>
<p>Secondly, you&#8217;re dead wrong about Roddy&#8217;s situation. He can&#8217;t force the Falcons to do anything. TD could tell him to suck an egg and guess what&#8230;. Roddy will report to the team later in the preseason. He would have no choice but to play for the $2.8m this year. As a white collar worker I make more by selling more and don&#8217;t whine and complain about it. My base salary hasn&#8217;t changed in years nor do I expect it too. </p>
<p>What you don&#8217;t seem to understand is the team holds all the cards here, Roddy basically holds none. Not sure why you seem to take that personally.</p>
<p>And lastly, anyone that even tries to make the argument that Fitzgerald may not be in RW&#8217;s league is totally irrational. It&#8217;s tough to argue with someone that makes such an absurd statement. Even Chris Mortensen said he&#8217;s not in LF&#8217;s league.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Strickland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Strickland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 18:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CHC4 &amp; PROFESSOR-please do yourselves a favor and reread my post and then print any statement that in anyway indicates I support or endorse RWhites holdout. I&#039;ve stated in the past that I understand his reasons for holding out, but I&#039;ve never said or implied that I supported it. My entire 11:48am post focused on proving RWhite was not only in the same category as LFitzgerald and JBolden, but that they might not be in his. 

Both of you responded because you felt personally attacked, because of your erroneous assumption that I&#039;m in support of his holdout. Using contract law, and ignoring his unique employment situation, and the idea he&#039;s violating his contract, tells me your issues are greater than the holdout. This isn&#039;t the 1st time a player has heldout. He!!, it&#039;s not the 1st time RWhite&#039;s heldout. Maybe, just maybe, you&#039;re upset that an individual that&#039;s already a millionaire, because of his unique employment situation, can force his employer to pay him even more millions before his current contract has expired. And you, as a blue or white collar worker, don&#039;t have that power or option. GET OVER IT.

PROFESSOR-When it comes to education and logic, READING COMPREHENSION IS FUNDAMENTAL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CHC4 &amp; PROFESSOR-please do yourselves a favor and reread my post and then print any statement that in anyway indicates I support or endorse RWhites holdout. I&#8217;ve stated in the past that I understand his reasons for holding out, but I&#8217;ve never said or implied that I supported it. My entire 11:48am post focused on proving RWhite was not only in the same category as LFitzgerald and JBolden, but that they might not be in his. </p>
<p>Both of you responded because you felt personally attacked, because of your erroneous assumption that I&#8217;m in support of his holdout. Using contract law, and ignoring his unique employment situation, and the idea he&#8217;s violating his contract, tells me your issues are greater than the holdout. This isn&#8217;t the 1st time a player has heldout. He!!, it&#8217;s not the 1st time RWhite&#8217;s heldout. Maybe, just maybe, you&#8217;re upset that an individual that&#8217;s already a millionaire, because of his unique employment situation, can force his employer to pay him even more millions before his current contract has expired. And you, as a blue or white collar worker, don&#8217;t have that power or option. GET OVER IT.</p>
<p>PROFESSOR-When it comes to education and logic, READING COMPREHENSION IS FUNDAMENTAL.</p>
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		<title>By: CBrass</title>
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		<dc:creator>CBrass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D3,

That was my main thing about Roddy holding out.  The other players who are in their last year of their contract are in camp honoring the contract that was signed.  That&#039;s the big thing with me.  Roddy could show up and let his performance speak for itself just as everyone else is doing.  I can&#039;t get the comment that Demarcus Ware made out of my head.  That&#039;s the definition of a professional athlete in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D3,</p>
<p>That was my main thing about Roddy holding out.  The other players who are in their last year of their contract are in camp honoring the contract that was signed.  That&#8217;s the big thing with me.  Roddy could show up and let his performance speak for itself just as everyone else is doing.  I can&#8217;t get the comment that Demarcus Ware made out of my head.  That&#8217;s the definition of a professional athlete in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: BIRDMAN</title>
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		<dc:creator>BIRDMAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your right [D3] I just started posting here so please fellow falconer&#039;s let me apolagize.If I even spelled that word right? Just never been one to be steped on ,my southen pride I guess.Everydody has falts though mine is my spelling. Love seeing what Smith and crew are doin Loftin I don&#039;t know !whata ya&#039;ll think .Also like the idea of the old unis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your right [D3] I just started posting here so please fellow falconer&#8217;s let me apolagize.If I even spelled that word right? Just never been one to be steped on ,my southen pride I guess.Everydody has falts though mine is my spelling. Love seeing what Smith and crew are doin Loftin I don&#8217;t know !whata ya&#8217;ll think .Also like the idea of the old unis.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawson Devitt (D3)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawson Devitt (D3)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Friday(hallelujah) Afternoon Bird Cagers! New posting is finally up, after a little delay. Check it out. 

Also, let&#039;s keep it respectful in here. Disagreements and arguments are welcome for sure, but personal attacks, condescending posts, and name-calling are not needed. 

The Roddy situation has certainly stoked the coals, but remember that there are several players who are in their last year of their contract (Norwood, Dahl, Clabo), but are in camp with their teammates letting their agent handle it. 

Check back in later.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Friday(hallelujah) Afternoon Bird Cagers! New posting is finally up, after a little delay. Check it out. </p>
<p>Also, let&#8217;s keep it respectful in here. Disagreements and arguments are welcome for sure, but personal attacks, condescending posts, and name-calling are not needed. </p>
<p>The Roddy situation has certainly stoked the coals, but remember that there are several players who are in their last year of their contract (Norwood, Dahl, Clabo), but are in camp with their teammates letting their agent handle it. </p>
<p>Check back in later&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: BIRDMAN</title>
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		<dc:creator>BIRDMAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know were he went to school you dum ass .There is a lot I don&#039;t know thow .Not here to show you my education But if you must know I went to school at Whigham High school .No college But that part of Georgia if people liked you they would take care of you and if they did&#039;nt like you they would also take care of you boy..OLD SCHOOL  Now lets talk about football White will be here I think and I injoy your thoughts .I ant up to par are let me say as educated as many of you gys are on the sport .But I love them Falcons and I want to see them go as far as they can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know were he went to school you dum ass .There is a lot I don&#8217;t know thow .Not here to show you my education But if you must know I went to school at Whigham High school .No college But that part of Georgia if people liked you they would take care of you and if they did&#8217;nt like you they would also take care of you boy..OLD SCHOOL  Now lets talk about football White will be here I think and I injoy your thoughts .I ant up to par are let me say as educated as many of you gys are on the sport .But I love them Falcons and I want to see them go as far as they can.</p>
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		<title>By: chc4</title>
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		<dc:creator>chc4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is everyone aware that the Falcons are wearing throwback unis for a single home game this year? Going back to the Bartkowski red!! I&#039;m fired up... those are the best unis ever. Have they announced which game?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is everyone aware that the Falcons are wearing throwback unis for a single home game this year? Going back to the Bartkowski red!! I&#8217;m fired up&#8230; those are the best unis ever. Have they announced which game?</p>
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		<title>By: Professor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Professor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BIRDMAN - you just proved how dumb you are!!!

Roddy went to UAB, not the University of Alabama!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BIRDMAN &#8211; you just proved how dumb you are!!!</p>
<p>Roddy went to UAB, not the University of Alabama!!!</p>
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		<title>By: chc4</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-falcons-fans/2009/08/06/young-receivers/comment-page-5/#comment-1242</link>
		<dc:creator>chc4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken -- 

If you&#039;re so in favor of players that &quot;outperform&quot; their contracts holding out for more money then you must also like that owners can terminate them for non (or under)-performance. But it seems like I&#039;ve seen you call that an unfair practice by owners. Sounds like a raging double standard to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken &#8212; </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re so in favor of players that &#8220;outperform&#8221; their contracts holding out for more money then you must also like that owners can terminate them for non (or under)-performance. But it seems like I&#8217;ve seen you call that an unfair practice by owners. Sounds like a raging double standard to me.</p>
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