Roddy White’s Holdout: Justified or Disturbing?

Who’s Right: Roddy White or Thomas Dimitroff? 

How Long Will it Last?  (AtlantaFalcons.com)

How Long Will it Last? (AtlantaFalcons.com)

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Everything looked great as the Atlanta Falcons approached training camp. The team shocked the critics last year going 11-5, making the playoffs, Turner and White getting named to the Pro-Bowl, having the Offensive Rookie of the Year in Matt Ryan, Mike Smith gaining Coach of the Year, and Thomas Dimitroff receiving General Manager of the Year award. The Falcons bolstered their already potent offense with Hall of Fame tight end Tony Gonzalez and Dimitroff had another fantastic draft and even got all of them signed before camp. Life is good with no distractions, right? Wrong.

Ticking Time Bomb
The long talked about issue with Roddy White and his contract status finally bubbled to the surface right as camp began.  And this threatens to be the only potential distraction as the Falcons start their drive towards the season. Holdouts are a common issue throughout the NFL, but many are resolved either right before camp or soon into it. This has the potential to be the only distraction and might even be a ticking time bomb on the much needed chemistry and unity a team needs to be successful. Coaches will always say the right things, but the fact is that if White is not in camp, doesn’t get his reps, or is not with the team, than the Falcons will have a major piece of their puzzle missing. The issue has also been a tinder box matter for fans as well. There are always two sides to the equation, and the following examination takes both into account:

A look at Roddy White’s career as a Falcon:

Year        Rec     Yards   TDs
2005        29      446      3
2006        30      506      0
2007        83     1,202    6
2008        88     1,382    7 (Pro Bowl)

Complicated, Complex, & Convoluted
The story is well-documented, but extremely complicated. As it stands now, the NFL plans to end the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) in 2011 and that would move to lift the salary cap in the NFL. It’s an extremely vague, convoluted, and complex rule that’s set to take effect soon without further action. A quick version basically will say that players will have to play for six years before becoming a free agent, and that White will fall into a loophole of sorts. Under the current CBA that is set to expire, White is due to become an unrestricted free agent after this year. This would be the case with the assumption that the NFL and Player’s Union could renew this agreement. White could then hit the free agent market next year and entertain the highest bidders.

However, assuming that there is no deal reached, White actually will be a restricted free agent instead, allowing the Falcons to match any other teams offer or receive 1st round pick compensation. And that doesn’t even include the Falcons potential use of franchise tags, which will increase from 1 per team to 3.  Is that unbelievably complicated or what? Using this logic, many feel that White and his agents are simply trying to use the last best leverage they may have.
Here’s some helpful links to help describe the situation further:
-Pat Kirwan from NFL.com’s helpful take on the potential uncapped year
-Jason Cole from Yahoo Sports account of the magnitude this situation carries

Numbers Don’t Lie……for Either Side
Forgetting all the points of leverage on both sides, here’s a look purely at what Roddy White could expect to earn in comparison around the rest of the league. Using a two year average, here’s how #84 stacks up:

   2 Year Averages (2007 & 2008)
 

  Rank              Player                    Yards          TDs             Contract
    1             Larry Fitzgerald         1,420           11             4 yrs, $40 million
    2             Reggie Wayne            1,328            8             6 yrs, $40 million
    3           Brandon Marshall        1,295            7            4 yrs, $4 million*
    4              Roddy White             1,292           7             5 yrs, $7.3 million*
    5               Randy Moss             1,251          17            3 yrs, $27 million

*Original Contract 

So there you have Roddy White’s agent’s argument in black and white numbers. Statistically, White is one of the best wide receivers in the game, ranking in the top 5 in yards and on par with top 5 touchdowns. Fitzgerald sets the mark with $10 million a year, Wayne makes a little under $7 million a year, and Moss earns $9 million a year. White and Brandon Marshall are the two that haven’t received new contracts. Greg Jennings also threw a wrench in the equation by getting a 3 year, $27 million extension. Many can argue he was overpaid, but it did happen. Using this logic its safe to assume that White deserves at least $7 million, and his agent will argue closer to $8 or $9 million.  And judging by his production, age, and the fact that the Falcons drafted and developed him, its time to pay the man his due money.

Dimitroff’s Argument
It’s easy to see White and his agent’s side of the debate after looking at his production over the past two years, but as we know there are always two sides to a contract negotiation, and Thomas Dimitroff and his staff will certainly have their own. While acknowledging that White is a Pro Bowl receiver, and one of the best in the league, he will also bring up Roddy’s first two years as a Falcon in the pros. It was a great turnaround story from one of our current best players, but we all remember the drops, lack of confidence, and ire from fans for failing to live up to the hype in the first two years.

Dimitroff will simply throw out a couple of numbers of his own to counter his agent’s argument: 79, 88, 207, and T-62. Those are where White ranked in terms of yards and touchdowns in his first two years. White ranked 88th in yards and tied for 62nd in touchdowns when compared with the rest of the league in 2005, and ranked 79th in yards and tied for 207th with 0 touchdowns in 2006. Granted, the first could be understandable in his rookie campaign, but not scoring one touchdown after playing in all 16 games is pretty bad. And if he wants to, he can certainly argue that wide receivers who demand $8 or $9 million a year don’t drop potential game-winning passes, as White did in the Denver game.  Of course the loss wasn’t White’s fault, but if he makes that difficult catch, then that likely would have been a win.

Dimitroff’s Precedents
Even though he only has a few instances as precedents, Dimitroff will point to the two players he re-upped last year during the season in Jonathan Babineaux and Michael Jenkins. Both players were deemed extremely valuable to the franchise in their final contract year and were rewarded accordingly. He’ll also note that neither player held out or complained in regards for a new contract. As Michael Jenkins said, “I just showed up and played football to the best of my ability and knew things would work out (in terms of his contract)”, and it certainly did. Dimitroff can also boast of signing all his draft picks on time for camp in their respective draft class, a feat that many NFL coaches would love to have in their GM.

Somewhere in the Middle
As mentioned previously, Roddy White’s holdout situation is a very unique case involving more than simply a player, agent, or general manager being too greedy or wanting to send a message. Due to the complex nature of the NFL’s current status with the player’s union and the collective bargaining agreement, it is much more difficult to discern who is right and who is wrong. Both sides have valid arguments, and with many cases, this one looks to land somewhere in the middle of the two sides arguments. Roddy White is in fact one of the best young receivers in the game and deserves to

e paid as such.

However, White is not on the level of Larry Fitzgerald, Reggie Wayne, or Randy Moss in terms of consistently playing at the highest level, at least not yet. A contract of 5 years in the range of $35 to $40 million might be a fair deal on both sides, making somewhere between $7 to $8 million a year is fair, making a little more than Reggie Wayne, but less than Fitzgerald. The Greg Jennings deal has to be looked on as an abnormality and outlier of someone simply getting overpaid.

 

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139 comments Add your comment

JJ

August 2nd, 2009
11:20 pm

D3 – I was hoping you may drop mon. blog tonight! Very nice research and anaysis! I think you’ve found your calling my friend!

DaddyDawg

August 3rd, 2009
12:12 am

To be succinct, Roddy White needs to play and show that last year was no fluke by proving his value on the field NOW! What would fans think if the Falcons were to adopt a similar strategy…… a player isn’t performing up to expectations and the team decides to force the player to renegotiate his contract salary down, so it decides to either reduce his pay or not pay him at all until the player negotiates. Well, no one would think for a moment that the Falcons should adopt such a stance for any player under contract, and similarly, Roddy White should play out his contract, too, because it’s the right thing to do, and he can enhance his value to the team by playing…… something he cannot do while holding out. Roddy, you need to be in training camp now, lest you soil your football pants in the NFL forever!

blonju

August 3rd, 2009
12:46 am

i have to agree with roddy here because NFL contracts aren’t guaranteed – he deserves somewhere between 7 and 8 million, so we should pay him and be happy we have a number one receiver for that price – if he gets injured in a contract season, his career net worth would be substantially lower – he’s played 2 back to back pro-bowl caliber seasons and with a guy like matty ice at the helm, the trend with white will continue – pay him now before he’s in the 9 to 10 million dollar range!!! go falcons!! let’s get that back to back winning season monkey off our backs!!

jason

August 3rd, 2009
2:06 am

blonju, I am going with you here. Only because the money is not guarranteed. If this was baseball, I would so be on TD’s side. But in football you have to get yours. If (Knock on wood) White has a career ending injury, He wouldn’t get anything left owed on his contract. Now, saying all that is to come back and say TD will get it done. There will be a comprimise and a meeting in the middle. White ain’t getting no 20 mil. Look for something in the neighborhood of 7-9 mil with a hefty signing bonus.

james

August 3rd, 2009
2:19 am

A deal is a deal. The team should come first. Roddy will get great money next year. Trade him because he is not being a team player. A lot of the Falcons had great years, but he is the only one holding out. Very selfish for a man that has made millions of dollars over the last few years. If the Falcons put up with this crap, more will try. I am sure the Falcons wanted their money back and their first round draft pick back in years 1 and 2. Why should Roddy get the benefit financially of Matt Ryan? He should be happy he has the QB. Without Matt Ryan he was poor.

jason

August 3rd, 2009
3:24 am

james, you are off base here. I get what is going on. If White is not asking for an astromical number, everything will be fine. The teams always win. White will be in camp in a week or so. But to say he is selfish is wrong. The NFL is a cutthroat league. They don’t care about their players. Have you seen the battle for the retired players and their compensation? I say White should get what he can. I am a loyal Falcon fan, and I still say White should do what he has to do.

Dr. Warren

August 3rd, 2009
4:38 am

Roddy White should get what he deserves, nothing less, nothing more. What does he deserve? A bigger paycheck, some public recognition of his service to the team, and a nice new Toyota Prius, if that’s what it takes. Despite the Denver drop, he’s a big-time player, and he makes it look easy most of the time. Someone else would gladly show him the money. The past is the past–no one goes back to criticize Kobe for being a mess his first year or so–why give RW such a hard time?

honest_abe

August 3rd, 2009
4:59 am

“the team should come first” is such a stupid statement. i mean cmon, you’re basically saying he needs to worry about the team over his future. what a moron. roddy deserves a raise, he’s proven it over the last two years. give him his money and lets be done with it! we need roddy in camp ASAP!!

Scott

August 3rd, 2009
5:00 am

Roddy, should honor his “contract” and show up. The Falcons didn’t want to renegotiate his contract his first 2 years when he wasn’t worth a crap. What is wrong with these pre-madanna athlete’s is their money hungry agents.

JJB

August 3rd, 2009
6:27 am

At this point, it doesn’t really matter who is right as much as their abilities to come up with an acceptable compromise. If Roddy and his people are adamant for 9 million a year, then I would hold my ground with him as he hasn’t shown to perform consistently at that level. If he is willing to come down, I expect that the GM will come up a bit

JJ

August 3rd, 2009
6:54 am

We have a lot of players we need to resign after this yr…OL, norwood…etc. I’m split over Roddy, he deserves top 10 money (7-8m), not top 5. I’m sure TD will not break the bank, as we said all yr. long…in TD we trust. Doesn’t it seams whenever a falcon player holdouts, he gets his money and gets injured? Roddy does not have much leverage! We need him, but i’d take 2-#1 draft pics today! not going to happen though, he’ll sign this week I bet.

DT

August 3rd, 2009
7:02 am

It should be noted that the other guys depicted on the list of similar receiving stats played for mere millions until their first free agencies too.

He’s as good as gone, but I think he’ll be sorry. He’ll probably get traded and stuck with a mere $50mil over 5 years.

It’s not as if being franchised in an uncapped year is a bad thing…the poor dude would probably get stuck with a mere $15mil next season as a franchised WR in an uncapped season. He’d probably be franchised for another $15mil the season after, then be stuck hitting free agency as a multimillionaire in his prime in the third year…boohoo.

Norman A Cochran

August 3rd, 2009
7:05 am

When a contract is reached between a player and a team it is a gamble for both sides. Each saying what they think the player will be worth during that period. If a player exeeds expectations then the NEXT contract then reflects the new expected progress. A contract not only pays a player for what he has accomplished but also what is expected. With that being said, Roddy White is a good reciever and has had 2 good seasons, however he did agree to play football for the Falcons for at least one more season at a given rate of pay. Just because some other recievers contract has expired and re-signed at a higher pay does not give Roddy White the right to try and hold the team hostage for a new contract at this time. You have people out here that are just fighting to have a job or to come up with money to buy groceries and Roddy White wants to “Strike” against a team because he thinks he is better than everyone else! To me he doesn’t play, he has broken his contract so I would let him walk out the door. I imagine there are a lot of recievers out there who would love to play and for a lot less. Roddy deserves a raise, I agree, but only on a new contract after this one has expired. That is what free agency is all about. So Wake up Roddy and smell the coffee. As good as you are, you are not the reason the team is good. Someone else can possibly do just as well!

Norman A Cochran

August 3rd, 2009
7:16 am

You know I read all of your comments and I have to make one more supporting comment on mine, Looking at what most of you are saying, then what the …. do they have contracts for. Why not just go every year and play for what ever anyone will pay them. I am a Falcon fan and I like Roddy as well as all the players that TD and all have brought together, but a team only has so much money to go around and I know he deserves a raise but he DID SIGN A CONTRACT saying he would play for so many years at a such such amount of pay. So get real and study up and realize what CONTRACTS mean!!!!

John Waynesworld

August 3rd, 2009
7:21 am

This is all proper business (considering the NFL circus). I’m sure Roddy and the Falcons will get the right number in short time.

Tick, tock…I can’t wait!!!

Rod

August 3rd, 2009
7:38 am

The Falcons haven’t had a holdout since 1999. You reward White for holding out and next year there will be more. You need to set a policy that holding out WILL NEVER WORK. White claims he is underpaid – we all know that his first two years he was overpaid. It evens out. I’m sure the Falcons would have gotten something done in the next month or so, but:

WE DON’T NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS.

If he insists, move on. When he finally comes in, limit his reps and hold him out for the first couple of games. His stats will suffer and he won’t get that big contract elsewhere next year. Let him know this is the plan. Let one player spit on his contract and more will follow.

oldbird

August 3rd, 2009
7:39 am

With the odd collection of “passing” QBs the bird’s have had under center recently , Roddy has delivered the goods. All the receivers have benefited since “he who’s name shall not be mentioned” has gone. The continued development of Matt Ryan, Michael Jenkins / other wideouts AND the addition of Tony G will make Roddy’s ’s life A LOT easier (but will also rob him statistically – fewer reception and scores).

One other factor to consider is the receiving corps New England had while winning super bowls…those WR’s were average at best. I expect Dimitroff to offer a “fair” contract but well below that of the league’s top wideouts. Remember….this is a running team first and once the defense gels, I don’t expect them to be hanging 35 points a week.

Roddy’s a solid receiver but, may not continue to post such lofty numbers in the future. That said, I still think he’s worthy of a better contract…providing it’s a 3 to 5 year deal.

Rod

August 3rd, 2009
7:45 am

BTW: As to the first few posts, a good portion of top player’s contracts ARE guaranteed. Secondly – Now we know that White doesn’t respect contracts. If we give him a great new 5 year deal, but in 3 years, 10 receivers are making more money than him, he’ll holdout again.

HE’S PROVED HE DOESN’T RESPECT CONTRACTS AND MAY FREQUENTLY HOLDOUT.

Reward hard-workers who don’t cry and complain. We don’t need the other type.

I ex-jock

August 3rd, 2009
7:50 am

this issue sums up the flaws of the NFL’s approach to rookie contracts. it seems to me that ALL rookies should be held to a maximum 3 year deal – best case would be 1 year deal, but QB is different because in many cases (Ryan was an exception) a QB needs some seasoning on the bench. Give the player a bonus based on draft pick slot and after “making his bones” both the player and the team can look to lock him in for a long-term deal. This would offer the player a “free agent” pay day after 1-3 seasons and obviously, if a the player did not pan out, the team could cut its losses and move forward. I should be a GM

Mike

August 3rd, 2009
7:50 am

If you have a contract, you honor it. A non-guarenteed contract is still a part of the contract you agreed to. Keep your word Roddy and don’t be selfish. It is unbecoming. Someone made a good point. What if the Falcons did this. It would be unacceptable, just as Roddy’s behavior is un acceptable.

Bubba

August 3rd, 2009
8:14 am

Here’s what I don’t understand. By most accounts, the Falcons were in negotiations with RW about extending his contract during the off season. For RW to hold out now tells me that something is amiss with those negotiations. I would like to know more about the “nuts and bolts” of what’s going on. Right now, all I’m reading is speculation.

Unca' Bob

August 3rd, 2009
8:15 am

Rod,

R White held out for six days before signing his Rookie contract. This is R White’s second go round.

Krebs

August 3rd, 2009
8:37 am

A few years ago everyone, including the Mgt. was ready to unload this guy for a bag of used footballs. The lifespan of a pro athlete is short, but that of an average or above average NFL player is ameoba-like. He produced and performed. Give him his money, because I promise you if he comes back under the same old contract, gets hurt or does not perform at the level expected of him, well we have seen this story before. This is more of a business than it is a sport. Talk to some of those older players that gave up their bodies and in some cases lives for the game. Thrown out on the junk pile.

Rod

August 3rd, 2009
8:42 am

Unca’ Bob – true, White “held-out” as a rookie. However, he was not under contract like he is now. He was just trying to get a good first contract.

chc4

August 3rd, 2009
9:09 am

People making the argument in favor of Roddy’s position due to the fac that contracts are not guaranteed makes no sense. The signing bonus IS guaranteed. Abe got $16mm guaranteed two years ago. White got several million the day he signed his original contract. And for two years it looked like Blank wasted that money. Look at Anquan Boldin… he’s been unhappy for two years yet still shows up for camp. He’s got a far better argument than White. Roddy needs to show up soon.

John Waynesworld

August 3rd, 2009
9:12 am

Krebs, you are correct on the lifespan of an NFL player.

DIGO – Diamonds in, garbage out.

It’s a merciless and unforgiving bunch these NFL suits.

mitch

August 3rd, 2009
9:23 am

Dear D3–good, thoughful article. Nice going. It would be helpful for me to know more about the nature of a NFL-player contract. I’ve read that it is not binding on the team. How can it be a contract if it is not mutually binding? The player can’t join another team, can he? What does it mean to say that a portion of the contract’s payments are guaranteed? I mean, surely, if a player refused to take the field of battle, the team would not be required to pay him, would it? These are a couple of questions, but not all, that make it difficult to evaluate the contract controversy before they are answered, the above bloggers to the contrary notwithstanding. Your pal, Mitch

long time falcon

August 3rd, 2009
9:25 am

Pro football talk reported that roddy white is the only significant veteran holdout in the NFL right now. And it should be noted that other pro bowl players from the 2005 draft class such as demarcus ware and shawn merriman are in the same situatuion as white but they are in camp.
And to you folks who simply say “pay the man” how do you know that his contract demands aren’t unreasonable? I think the falcons would like to get something done but I have a feeling white and his agent are looking to break the bank. If that is the case then expect a long holdout because I don’t think Dimitroff will cave in to those kind of demands.

Doc

August 3rd, 2009
9:43 am

John Waynesworld – oh yeah, those NFL suits are a merciless and unforgiving bunch. They give you 10-20 million dollars and then don’t want to have anything to do with you when your career is over in 7-8 years.

Retired with millions in the bank by the time they’re in their early 30’s. How, oh how do they do it? Those poor, poor mistreated millionaire players.

Oh, the inhumanity of it all!

John Waynesworld

August 3rd, 2009
10:06 am

I had no intention of comparing it to your job, Doc.

CajunStorm

August 3rd, 2009
10:12 am

Roddy White – “SHOW ME THE MONEY!!” Give Roddy the money. TD will do that because if he is truly a descendent from BeliCHAMP (which he is) he will continue to pay his own properly without overpaying and keep the BIG 4 (Ryan, Turner, Gonzalez, and White) together. That is TOO potent a foursome to disrupt. Besides, why else wouldn’t we have made a big free agent splash….TD IS MAKING OUR OWN FREE AGENT SPLASHES by keeping our own.

And by the way, Roddy’s 1st 2 seasons weren’t very good because we had a HOORIBLE PASSER THROWING TO HIM—-MICHAEL VICK!! I’m a Vick fan but anyone that defends Vick’s passing ability is just a DUMB A$$!!

Before Matt Ryan, Roddy caught for over 1200yds from QB’s Chris Redman, Byron Leftwich, and Joey Harrington. Come on….Give him the money!!

CBrass

August 3rd, 2009
10:15 am

Norman A Cochran,

I basically said the same thing a couple of days ago. Glad to see that you and many others here feel the same way. White is not honoring his contract that he signed as a rookie. He even held out then. I’m really starting to see the kind of player that he is. A selfish athlete who doesn’t keep his word. My opinion of Jenkins went through the roof last season. He could have easily held out and demanded more money but he took the high road, acted like a professional and he was reward in the end.

John Waynesworld

August 3rd, 2009
10:24 am

Sorry got cut off…Or anyone else’s job. This is the NFL, where dreams are made. This is not comparable to any non-sports career. These players are, and I mean this in a nice way, freaks of nature, and the window for these careers are very short indeed.

chc4

August 3rd, 2009
10:25 am

CBrass — I’m with you on the White situation but you can’t compare it to Jenkins. MJ wasn’t a good enough player to hold out. He’d had a solid yet unspectacular career going into last season. Guys like that have no leverage, especially considering that we drafted Douglas on Day 1.

HGN

August 3rd, 2009
10:28 am

I think the Roddy White holdout is a distraction. Plus, he should live up to the original contract he signed. HE HAS ANOTHER YEAR ON THAT DEAL. Roddy, you should live up to the deal you signed. He can’t have it both ways. The Falcons didn’t ask for their money back when he was under producing in the early years and dropping pass after pass , and was being looked at as a total bust. They stuck with him and the deal signed. Now Roddy should stick with the Falcons and live up to his end of the deal.

Ken Strickland

August 3rd, 2009
10:43 am

None of us knows if RWhite and his agent have tried negotiating with the Falcons about a contract extension prior to his holdout. If they have, I can see why he’d go this route. If not, he jumped the gun. All of this ignorance about RWhite, or any football player for that matter, honoring his contract is crazy. Why hold the players to a different standard than the owners who routinely cut players that are under contract to save money and clear CAP space.

Just look at the number of players TD and Smitty have cut over the last 2 off seasons that were still under contract, and most of them were starters. DON’T BRING THAT IGNORANT DOUBLE STARDARD INTO PLAY HERE. When you consider the very limited career and earning potential the averager NFL player has, due to injury and team fiscal issues, it makes perfect sense to get what you can while you can.

Unca' Bob

August 3rd, 2009
10:49 am

Coach Ken,

Great to have you on board again. You have been sorely missed by one and all.

Nathan Mayer

August 3rd, 2009
10:52 am

put Jenkins at #1 and Harry Douglas at #2… use lots of Turner and Gonzo… Douglas is awesome.

chc4

August 3rd, 2009
11:05 am

Ken Strickland -

The owners have the right to terminate contracts under the CBA that the players’ union and players agreed to. Therefore this whole notion that the system is unfair is completely absurd. I’m sure you’re aware of the huge signing bonuses many of these guys get. Those are 100% guaranteed. There is no double standard whatsoever. If you side with the players that’s fine but at least make a logical argument.

Ken Strickland

August 3rd, 2009
11:47 am

One more thing on the subject. How many of you remember the holdout by RB JAnderson? Some of these same comments and opinions were expressed during his holdout as well. As we all know, he was successful, and signed a lucrative contract. The 1st gm after signing his contract extension, he blew out his knee, and for the most part his career ended. If he hadn’t taken his stance on a contract extension, what are the odds the Falcons would have done anything other than send him packing with no further consideration the 1st chance they got.

Sarah B

August 3rd, 2009
11:55 am

Rod – you hit the nail on the head. This is what I’ve been stewing over all morning. This soooooo reminds me of 1999 and the “Jamal Situation”. We all thought that was THE year just like we all think this is THE year to break that curse of back to back winning seasons. Falcons need to pay him and he needs to get his A@@ to camp until they do. I’m having flash backs and I don’t like it.

chc4

August 3rd, 2009
12:06 pm

Ken — there are inherrent risks to playing in the NFL… no one argues that. But the owners have alot of risk too. Paying Matt Stafford $41mm guaranteed? Last I checked Vernon Gholston isn’t being required to pay back any of that $21mm guaranteed he received. Ed Hartwell robbed Blank blind. Same with Peerless along with countless others around the NFL.

Ken Strickland

August 3rd, 2009
12:20 pm

CHC4-if a 100% signing bounus is guaranteed upon the player signing, why did the Falcons try to make MVick reimburse part of his signing bonus? And I beg to differ on the issue of a double standard. If a player signs a contract, and the terms and conditions of that contract holds only the player liable for honoring that contract, that’s a built in double stardard even if the contract is legal.

Remember, at one time segregation, as well as discrimination, was the law of the land, especially in the south. That law created a legal double standard, but that didn’t make it right or ethical. I can tell by your response that you’re sharp, so I feel confortable using this analogy to make my point.

UNCA BOB-thanks a million, and it’s good to be back in the fold. I’m hoping to move back to the ATL by the end of this month, so I’ll be a little busy getting settled. However, I’ll still be hanging in with the crew and fighting hard eith the Falcons on gm day as one of the 12th armchair players.

John Waynesworld

August 3rd, 2009
12:32 pm

Peerless…grrr. What a #2 of a #2 he was.

D3

August 3rd, 2009
12:33 pm

Great Mon(dane) Afternoon Fellow Bird Cagers! Thanks for joining in a lively discussion today. I figured this one would be a hot topic and relatively prominent to jump on.

JJ – You must be a nite owl like myself. Not anymore, bed time has moved dramatically with the kids starting back soon.

DaddyDawg – Very good point. Many believe that he should meet his contract and look for a big payday during the season, and if not than hit the lucrative FA market.

blonju – I agree that a fair market value for him is around 7 or 8 mill a year. Making 7 a year would put him higher than Reggie Wayne, who is by far the most consistently great WR in the NFL.

jason – I bet his agent is arguing for more than 9 mill and TD wants closer to 8. Roddy and his agent benefitted greatly from Lee Evans and Jennings getting overpaid, WAY overpaid in Evans case.

james – definitely get the feeling that it bothers many fans because of the holdout. Basically, this is his last great shot at leverage if no CBA’s put in place.

Dr.Warren – Great point. I think that’s the majority opinion. He should be paid as one of the top 5 WR’s in the NFL. But TD is not going to succumb to paying 9 mill a year b/c Green Bay and Buffalo overpaid and raised the market price.

honest_abe – I guess the only point many would counter with your opinion would be that Jenkins and Babineaux did put the team first and got rewarded. However, like you say neither were Pro Bowl caliber.

Scott – Definitely a good point with his first 2 years. I guess what the front office do have is the ability to pull the plug at anytime.

JJB – True. 9 mill is too much for a WR in this league. If anyone deserves 9 mill a year its Reggie Wayne, certainly not Jennings and for chrissake no way Lee Evans deserves that. Those two have created a fictitous bubble in the WR market.

JJ(2) – thanks for bringing that up. Clabo, Dahl, and Norwood all need resigned. While Norwood likely won’t happen, we HAVE to keep Dahl and Clabo, period.

DT – Definitely a view point shared by many, particularly in this economy.

Norman Cochran – Great point. Fitzgerald, Wayne, and Moss didn’t hold out.

JWW – Would love to just get him in camp, but it doesn’t appear that either side is budging.

Rod – That stigma does not really look good on White considering that he is the only prominent player holding out. Definitely a dangerous precdent.

ET

August 3rd, 2009
12:54 pm

White needs to get his butt on the field. I feel sorry for him because he can’t live on his pathetic salary, but a deal is a deal. Don’t sign a contract to play for $50,000 a year if you can’t live on that amount.

…What, he isn’t making $50,000 a year? Our teachers are…and we are entrusting our childrens future to them! Instead we are paying some jerk millions to catch a ball (or drop it in the case of the Denver game) and he can’t find it in his soul to live up to a contract he signed several years ago. Did I mention that he is a jerk? Fricking jerk.

jason

August 3rd, 2009
1:03 pm

D3, while RW and his agent may be looking for more than 9 mil per. It is not going to happen; at least not in ATL. With the economy the way it is, I don’t see all that money just being pored out. I don’t like drawing comparisons to other sports, but look at the situation in MLB. Alot of good players used to making 20 mil per had to settle for one year deasls at 5 mil. The economy is going set the market; not the players, teams, or agents. RW can ask for 20 mil per or whatever, but he is not gonna get it. He is not worth it. I wouldn’t pay it. I would pay market value of a #2. RW has not proved that he is a “go to WR” yet. He drops to many passes.

If you want to look going forward without RW, I think ATL will be alright. Not as good with him, but OK. You still have Gonzo, and MJ is starting to come on. Add to that HD and a strong running game… You get the picture. It is not like RW was running past every DB making 20 TD catches or whatever. He was MR’s fave target, but that’s all.

The thing that sucks is that this is the year that RW and MR should really click, and also the right time for RW to bust out and become an elite WR in the NFL.

chc4

August 3rd, 2009
1:04 pm

Philly’s starting MLB popped his ACL yesterday… out for the year.

Ken Strickland

August 3rd, 2009
1:09 pm

NFL owners are virtually guaranteed a profit based exclusively on the revenue the league receives from network tv and sponsor contracts. They do run risks on signing players that are untested, and some that are, but they don’t run the risk of having RED ink on their balance sheets. They just run the risk of not making as much profit has they’d hoped.

I posted a response to you earlier, but it must have been eaten by the blog monster. So I’ll try it again.

If a player signs a contract that has built in provisions that holds only the player liable for breaking that contract, then you have a built in double standard, even if the contract is legal. Because an NFL contract doesn’t offer RWhite, or any other player, the same contractual rights as the owners, players have to resort to using holdouts or demanding trades to leverage a new deal.

Remember, there was a time in this country when segregation, as well as discrimination, was the law of the land, especially in the South. That law definitely made discrimination and segregation legal, as well as creating a legal double standard, but that didn’t make it right, morally, ethically, spiritually or otherwise. I can tell you’re sharp by your responses, so I feel comfortable using this analogy to make my point.

None of the players you mentioned robbed any of the owners blind. All owners are insured against losses due to injury. Even in situaations that aren’t insurable, like the MVick situation, the Falcons, as well as the entire NFL, made millions and millions more money off MVick than they lost paying his salary. And the Falcons did try to recoup part of MVick’s signing bonus, which is why they continued to carry him on the roster after it was certain he wouldn’t return as a player for them. When players like MVick or Packman Jones get suspended because of legal problems, or failing drug tests, their contracts are automatically voided because of the morals clause that’s included in every NFL contract. If Vernon Gholston’s team doesn’t try to recoup any of his $21M guaranteed money he received, it’s not because they can’t. It’s only because they’ve decided not too, for whatever reason.

THE PLAYERS, NOT THE OWNERS, ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE AT RISK FINANCIALLY.

BT

August 3rd, 2009
1:10 pm

D3- Good job in putting out a nice framework for debate.

Doc and Old Bird-Glad to see you 2 guys have found the Cage.
Welcome to the best Falcons fan blog on the web.

What Ken Strickland says make good sence to me.
Meanwhile, I would like to be like Mike Smith about it, stay cool and calm.
There are people smarter than me, (TD) who has all the facts.
Give it another week and then I might start to have some real concerns about the prospects of a `09 season without Roddy.