Jamaal Anderson: Boom or Bust?
WWJAD? What Will Jamaal Anderson Do?
Boom or Bust? (Kevin Cox/Getty Images)
Will JA#98 be a boom or bust? Perhaps the biggest question on the minds of Falcons fans this off-season and leading into training camp, pre-season, and regular season. Also a question that has a serious polarizing effect on fans as well. Two camps have seemed to develop into an even split around the former overall #8 draft pick in 2007 by Bolt Petrino.
Many fans believe that Anderson is already approaching bust status, registering only two sacks in two years. It was certainly a somewhat risky pick drafting a player who came out his junior year and only played the position for a couple of years. His short span at Arkansas led the SEC in sacks with 13.5, no small accomplishment in arguably the toughest conference in college football. Even though he possessed all the physical tools and abilities, Rich McKay had to know that he would be a project. Anderson has even produced some downright ire from some fans, thinking that he was a bust last year, and going as far as having the feeling that he should be shipped out of town tomorrow. While that might be a bit on the extreme side, they certainly do have a reason to expect more from a top 10 draft pick. Another line of reasoning from his detractors believe that with such a Herculean effort from John Abraham on the other side, totaling 16.5 sacks and getting a Pro-Bowl snub, that Anderson should be blowing up the quarterback in the same frame how the Colts Robert Mathis raised his game with Dwight Freeney being such a force on the opposite edge.
1 of 2 Total Sacks (Jimmy Cribb/atlantafalcons.com)
The other side is more supportive and feels that Anderson deserves this year to prove himself. Their argument follows the logic that while he may not be producing high numbers of sacks, that he has been extremely solid in the run game and has come within inches of many sacks. Anderson supporters will also point out that Anderson has not had a ton of help taking away pressure in Grady Jackson or the thin depth behind him at the defensive tackle spot. With first round pick Peria Jerry and a healthy Trey Lewis on board, his supporters are expecting a staggering breakout year. Many believe that Anderson would be more ideally suited to a 3-4 scheme, which Coach Smith and Coach Van Gorder look to possibly implement this year. Another point brought up involves the fact that Anderson is relatively new to the position and has had two different coaches in two years and that it is a natural progression for defensive ends. A tale of the tape with other DE comparisons in their first two years, around Anderson’s draft pick of 8th:
Player (Year Drafted – Position Drafted)
Dwight Freeney (2002 – 11th) 1st year: 13 sacks, 2nd year: 11 sacks
Terrell Suggs (2003 – 10th) 1st year: 12 sacks, 2nd year: 10.5 sacks
Michael Haynes (2003 – 14th) 1st year: 2 sacks, 2nd year: 2 sacks
Will Smith (2004 – 18th) 1st year: 7.5 sacks, 2nd year: 8.5 sacks
Erasmus James (2005 – 18th) 1st year: 4 sacks, 2nd year: 0 sacks
Kamerion Wimbley (2006 – 8th) 1st year: 11 sacks, 2nd year: 5 sacks
Tamba Hali (2006 – 20th) 1st year: 8 sacks, 2nd year: 7.5 sacks
Jamaal Anderson (2007 – 8th) 1st year: 0 sacks, 2nd year: 2 sacks
Jarvis Moss (2007 – 17th) 1st year: 1 sack, 2nd year: 2.5 sacks
Need More of These (Jimmy Cribb/atlantafalcons.com)
One thing that both sides can agree on is that this is definitely a put-up or shut-up year for Jamaal Anderson at defensive end for the Atlanta Falcons. The excuses of being new to the position, having different head coaches, and playing solid in the run game won’t cut it for another year. Right or wrong, defensive ends are judged on sacks at the end of the day. Supporting the run, putting good pressure on quarterbacks and running backs are very well and good, but without those all-important sack numbers, it will not be enough. And if Anderson didn’t already feel enough pressure from the fans, the Falcons not only resigned Chauncey Davis close to starter’s level money and a guarantee of a fair competition from Coach Smith, but they also drafted Lawrence Sidbury in the 4th round of this years draft. All indications are good that Anderson knows the pressure and responsibility in front of him and has gotten glowing reviews from the coaching staff in the off-season for his tireless work ethic and maturation. He seems to be in very good graces with the coaching staff, which is all that ultimately matters anyway. Being a former top 10 pick, Anderson will certainly be given every opportunity to have a breakout year by the coaching staff. The time for waiting is over.
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Discussion Framework:
1) What side of the fence do you fall on the JA debate?
2) What will Anderson need to do to prove he’s arrived?
3) How many games does Anderson have to prove himself?
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BT
July 25th, 2009
8:45 am
D3,
Great day two topic starter.
Yesterday, I thought this blog was to be the best blog on the web.
Today, I know it`s true.
I hope the days JA98 has spent with Chuck Smith (CEO of D-line Inc.) has turned the light on.
By the way, is it possible to coach up intensity and outright meanness?
I like the way TD and Smitty have given JA98 every chance to succeed while hedging their bets for now and in the future by re-signing Davis, opening competition and drafting El Sid.
RazrTalon
July 25th, 2009
10:00 am
Is it really important at this point that JA “justify” his selection at number 8. That was obviuosly a mistake. But the decision as to whether JA stays or goes should be totally unrelated to that 8th pick. Can he be a productive part of the rotation at an acceptable price? I bet he goes for 4 sacks this year on diminsihed playing time. And does he fit better at DT than DE? [What’s this about 3-4? First I heard. No way we have the LB depth to run 3-4; in fact we don’t have enough to run 4-3 — 5-2 any one?). Don’t ship him off out of spite. Solid depth on the DL is worth something; how much probably can not be answered until he becomes a FA. I doubt there is a bidding war, and he probably takes a pay-cut. But has a productive career as a run-specialist and back-up in the NFL.
BT
July 25th, 2009
11:12 am
R.Talon, (Nice handle BTW)
You make some good points.
However, you might be selling the Falcons LB depth short when considering the instilled flexibility and possibly utilizing Sidbury and/or Bierman in hybrid roles of edge LB rushers and there is the largely unknown quality of Robert James and Tony Gilbert to consider.
IHMO, the Falcons already appear to have solid quality and depth within the DT rotation.
You are darn right that`s worth something as that`s the straw that stirs the defence`s drink.
No vacancies there.
All that said, JA must be on a course of doubling his production in sacks, tackles and solo tackles or else, he will be caught up in ”the process” of being phased out.
JJ
July 25th, 2009
11:15 am
Damn D3, making us ‘cagers proud!!!
JJ
July 25th, 2009
11:30 am
R.Talon, I think D3 was talking about situational 3-4.
BT, looking forward to watching Robert James and Gilbert in pre-season. They are definately unknown qualities, but if their healthy plus Sidbury and Bierman, we should be fine at LB.Coach Ken has blog’d several times about the 3rd yr being the breakout yr for DE, so I think JA will have at least 8. If he has none by the bye, then he’s a backup or situational DE/DT.
jason
July 25th, 2009
12:43 pm
My opinion on Janderson. We all want him to do good/great. He should have never been drafted 8th overall, but he was. Someone asked if he could be apart of a goo rotation? I think so. By having JAnderson you have a player who can move inside if need bee or possibly excell in the 3-4. The key to not only Janderson but the DL as a whole is the play of the DTs.
I will give you a couple of reason on how I think JAnderson can help our Falcons. First off is the starting DE, so i won’t into that much other than trying to improve on his pass rush. If you move him inside, it allows Davis to get PT. If you form a rotation of playing him at DE and DT, Davis would almost be utilized as a starter. Also, you could get by with only having to keep 4 DTs on the roster. You would be able to be patient in the developement of Walker (7 round drat pick). As for the 3-4/3-3-5 concept, He he is big enough and quick enough to be a formiable end in the 3-4. In the 3-3-5, you could slide him to NT and bring Davis, Sid, or Bierrman inoppisite Abe. See, there are alot of things that JAnderson can bring to this Defense with his size, speed, and talents. I will go on record of saying he will have between 4-6 QB sacks, but he will have alot of pressures and assts. in the DL’s sacks.
The deal with the 3-3/3-3-5 is the abilty to get pass rushers on the field. You have Sid and Bierrman who are hybrids (DE/OLB), you can always drop Abe to OLB and insert Davis in his DE spot.The 3-4/3-3-5 gives you flexibility with your (ready D3 ?) VERSITILE personel.
jason
July 25th, 2009
12:46 pm
I am concerned with our overall depth at LB, but that is why they are coached at all 3 spots. We have 4 that I am comfortable with: Lofton, Peterson, Nicolas, and Wire. I want to see Gilbert, James, and Adkins in the preseason to learn about them. Also, Gilbert has been in the NFL for a while now. I know he is a DAWG, but how much can we really rely on him as a starter (in case of injury), or an important reserve? As far I know he has only played ST.
jason
July 25th, 2009
12:48 pm
BT, from a post last night, I think Jerry is more of a DT also. But how do you get him and Babs on the field together? Will Babs move to DT? I see Babs and Jerry as our natural DTs, and Lewis and Walker as our NTs.
CBrass
July 25th, 2009
12:56 pm
D3,
You’re spoiling me already with two tremendous post!!!
J. Anderson needs to changes his mind set…as a fellow athlete playing any type of sport is more mental then it is physical. If he continues to doubt himself then he’s not going to put up the numbers that many believes he is capable of putting up. Look at Abe that guy was double teamed majority of the season and still totaled 16.5 sack (even if majority of them came against weaker teams,Anderson also played against those weaker teams). The thing that I like about Abe is he plays with what I like to call the pissed off mentality. He’s getting to the quarter back come hell or high water. Anderson needs to adapted that same mind set in order to be successful. He has the physical tools to get the job done but I think that he doesn’t believe in himself…if you do not believe in yourself then who will? He needs to view himself as a gifted athlete who is able to get the job done. Like D3 said if he doesn’t put up a high sack total this year the bust status will be forever be attached to him.
Marcus
July 25th, 2009
12:57 pm
Question, is the above compare JA98s production vs. being a typical LDE 9e.g QBs vision side vs. blind side)?
I am for giving him a shot this year and really pulling for him. 2 sacks is dismal in *any* comparison, but I would temper that with comparing the average sack total for DEs who start on the QBs line of sight.
jason
July 25th, 2009
1:09 pm
CBrass, I see the lack of confidence also. I think it is a by product of being relatively new to the DE position. That what the light buklb coming on refers to. I think once he “gets it”, we might have a monster on our hands. I don’t necessarily look at QB sacks as THE NUMBER. I thinl QB pressures come into play also. If he can just get pressure and force the QB up in the pocket to Jerry, Babs, etc. or flush the QB left to Abe. That’s enough for me. We talk about year 3 alot, but with JAnderson, it may take longer. Remember he has only been playing DE for 4 years. 2 at Arkansas and 2 in ATL.
Paddy
July 25th, 2009
3:27 pm
Jason.. I don’t believe the Falcons can afford to wait on JA development past this season. I believe we all will see what we have after 4-5 games. I think the glass is half full for him. He may not be an all-star but by the end of the season we will be glad he is on the field.
falcon21
July 25th, 2009
3:56 pm
Hello CBrass and Jason, I think Paddy said it best. Give it 4 or 5 games and we will know if he can or cannot help this team. If not then time for a change.
CBrass
July 25th, 2009
4:12 pm
Jason,
Not lack of confidence at all. It’s basically what I seen at times when he plays. I just think the talking of people calling him a bust got to him and maybe he will use that as motivation to get things turned around. He’s a good player and I want to see him do good but if he don’t believe that he can get the job done it doesn’t really matter if the entire Falcon’s Nation is behind him. It’s not fair to judge him sole on the number of sacks that he has or will get but at the end of the day that’s what he’s going to be judge. It’s really unfair but it’s the way it is.
BT
July 25th, 2009
4:34 pm
Paddy, falcon21-
Wait 4 or 5 games?
I don`t think so.
If, I understand the situation correctly?
Chauncy Davis was re-signed with starter type money and assured by Smitty he would have a fair shot at earning the starting DE position IN CAMP.
Davis has already proven he is capable of putting up far superior numbers as he did last season when getting far fewer reps.
It`s my bet, Davis will be bringing it to win that job and he will win it.
Then the whole idea of what he might be capable of doing after 4 or 5 games is moot, unless of course there are injuries to Abe or Davis?
IMHO, JA98 is going to have to play above lights out in the preseason to assure anything more than a spot backup role to Davis and Abe.
BT
July 25th, 2009
5:11 pm
CBrass,
Fair or not,that really is, the way it is.
It is not just coming from fans either.
Smitty has came out and said, we must have more production in the area of putting pressure on opposing QBs.
The two most prized commodities on any NFL team are the QB`s and guys capable of pressuring and sacking them.
With me it`s not a question of confidence.
The real question is, does he have the will power, toughness, nastiness and sheer desire to fight like a warrior to be the best?
If so, he will stick and do well.
If not, he will fade to be only a footnote in Falcon history.
Only he can answer that question.
CBrass
July 25th, 2009
5:41 pm
BT,
“The real question is, does he have the will power, toughness, nastiness and sheer desire to fight like a warrior to be the best?”
This is that piss off mentality that I was speaking of earlier. I want him to do well I really do but in the end it up to him to actually produce because if he doesn’t Sid, Beirmann, or Davis will happily take his spot.
CBrass
July 25th, 2009
6:09 pm
Jason,
Sorry I misunderstood your reply…my bad. He just need to play like everyone know he is capable of playing.
Unca' Bob
July 25th, 2009
7:08 pm
Cager’s,
Something to ponder. The top two sacker’s last year were LB’s, not DE’s. Is it the system or the player?…Just a thought.
JJ
July 25th, 2009
7:25 pm
Unca’Bob, bet they were 3-4 Ds. Do you know where I can research and find out how many bye opp. the other nfcs have and what the norm is? I know I can pull up everyones schedule at nfl.com, but thats too time consuming and I’m too busy. Plus, its flea bath night for the playa’ rocky, exciting sat. night! And yes, I’m having trouble letting this bye stuff go, but if everyone else have 3, then that may help in my recovery, thanks.
JJ
July 25th, 2009
7:31 pm
I sent an e-mail to Pat Y. about this topic, have no idea if they ever get answered. I think we will step up to the challenge/schedule and obliterate this non-back to back crap. I’m just curious about 4 bye opponents. No excuses about schedule/bye: thats why they play the game, as they say.
Unca' Bob
July 25th, 2009
7:50 pm
JJ,
No, Sir I can not. But, from what I have found, coming off Bye weeks, the percentage runs about 52 to 48 for the team that has the Bye. Hardly anything to become over conserned with. It tends to lean toward the Home team.
JJ
July 25th, 2009
7:53 pm
Unca’ Bob – thanks!
Unca' Bob
July 25th, 2009
8:13 pm
JJ,
You are welcome.
jason
July 25th, 2009
8:32 pm
Maybe Davis is starting at DE. That’s not a bad thing. It will allow JAnderson to clear the mind and get work in. I don’t have a problem with eithet Davis or JAnderson starting. I just want JAnderson to play as well as he can. JAnderson did not asked to be drafted eighth overall. We as fans know he should not have been drafted that high. We and JAnderson has to make do with the situation at hand. What is the best plan for JAnderson and the DL to succeed?
Dawson Devitt (D3)
July 25th, 2009
8:53 pm
Great Saturday evening fellow ‘Cagers! Thanks for joining us here in the Bird Cage on Saturday night.
Surprise Favorite Jersey – To my extreme surprise, the poll for favorite jersey combo came out to All Black as the most liked, barely edging out red jerseys, black pants. I thought for sure that those were the most reviled. Go figure.
BT – Perfect point my man. The better turn on, because C.Davis made it well known that he wanted the opportunity to start & his contract reflects it.
RaztTalon – I meant to say that Coach Smith might employ some situational 3-4 looks, but certainly not our entire defense. Lofton is rock solid and you’re correct on Peterson and Nicholas. Do we get career Peterson or ‘08 Peterson? Nicholas is certainly unproven.
JJ – Just trying to represent the ‘Cage well. You know how we roll.
jason – JA can only add serious depth to what we have. I expect to see Coach Van Gorder and Coach Smith implement some 3-4 looks and JA could play DE or even DT, as you said. He deserves this year, in my opinion.
CBrass – Thanks for ups. Sorry to hear about no Fantasy. About JA, that’s a great observation. That’s what makes this year so intense, he has a pretty short window I think. Of course the coaching staff seem pretty enamored with him. Money talks though, Chauncey’s earning a lot of money for a backup.
Marcus – Never thought about that, but I think that JA is on the blindside as a RDE and being a blind-side rusher. Could be wrong on that one, but he matches up with best tackles, the left tackles protectors.
Paddy – You’re right. Game 4 I’d say we’ll know quickly how its going to go for JA#98.
BT(2) – Don’t be completely shocked if Chauncey lines up as starting RDE against Miami.
Unca’ Bob – Good point. Looks like the move towards a 3-4 is accelerating in the NFL.
Nice snippet from DOL’s story about Coach Smith(http://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-falcons/smith-eager-for-start-100631.html)
“There were six players, including linebackers Mike Peterson, Stephen Nicholas and Tony Gilbert, tight end Ben Hartsock and rookie defensive end Lawrence Sidbury, running sprints.” Gotta love seeing that.
jason
July 25th, 2009
9:17 pm
D3, what do you think? Opening day, JAnderson or Davis?
kneivel
July 25th, 2009
9:43 pm
Looking at the stats J Anderson needs to definitly step up his game. I will give him his 1st year not doing well at new position, looks as though he stepped up a little last year. If any coach can get him to do what he needs to do, it would be the great Van Gorder! I feel that with the praise of Jamals offseason workouts Van Gorder has put the pressure on and WE Know Van Gorder can motivate. I think he should be given 2 games to show what he can do.
Being new to Blogging, I am learning alot about the game. Thanks D3 for gettin me interested.
JJ
July 25th, 2009
9:44 pm
Bird cage FF – Sarah B. – looks like I get the Sarah Bitch’s on the final wk of reg. season, does this give you enough time to prepare for the WAR EAGLES? j/k
Sarah B
July 25th, 2009
10:08 pm
Well you guys are making me look bad for not checkin in but I was at the poo (shocker) then went for chinese.
It rook 3 years for Kerney to break out, plus I think you guys are right that he was real good against the run at DT last year. Yes Jason Versatility.
D3 2 blogs in two days??? I thought you were on a mini Vaca?
Sarah B
July 25th, 2009
10:11 pm
Bring it on JJ that should put me in the playoffs
jason
July 25th, 2009
10:26 pm
kneivel, You seem to know my man BVG. Drop some knowledge on Seminole Warrior and WR. They were asking me and D3 about him. You seem like a DAWG, so give it to ‘em. I think JAnderson should be given until the Bye. It is after week 4, plenty of time to evaluate, not just him but the defense as a whole. I satand by my prediction that wens will be starting at CB before the season is over.
jason
July 25th, 2009
10:29 pm
This will be my last blog for the next 7 days, unless my CEO is nice and lets me play with her lap top, I am off to Disney World. I will check in, if I can (CEO). If not I will see you all next SUnday afternoon. I know I will have alot of catching up to do.
D#, If you get a date for the FF draft, just send it to my e-mail. Later guys, I can’t believe I am saying this, but I am going to miss the blog next week. CBras we need you in the FFL. PLEASE !!!!!
JJ
July 25th, 2009
10:40 pm
jason…i hope you and you’re family have a Blast in DW. I’m so glad I heard your story, it warms the heart of all of your brothers/sisters here at your ‘cage! I still remember my memories at WaltDisneyWorld when I was a kid, they stay with you forever! Have a blast my friend, you and your family!!!
Nookah
July 25th, 2009
11:05 pm
Our assessment of JA98 is relative to where he was selected in the draft. No fault of his that he was drafted #8. However, the fact that he was, has made all the assessment of him very different than if he was drafted 10 or 15 slots lower.
In addition to that, the number of sacks JA98 gets this season will not necessarily determine if he is a bust or not. It may to a lot of us as fans because we always give the credit to the guys who end up with the sack or the tackle for a loss (TFL). What will be important is how is he performing in the eyes of the coaches. Many times we see people ending up with sacks or TFL and they were not the ones who necessarily caused either. It’s like soccer where the goal scorers get all the credit and the accolades but the guy who makes that telling pass or that off-the-ball run that may draw 1 or 2 defenders gets little or no recognition by us the fans except those of us who are students of the game or the coaches (Ken Strick where you at?). So we have to be very careful how we assess a player on just the raw stats sometimes. I do not think it applies to all players the same way. For e.g. we know players like Haynesworth or our other JA earn a lot of their sacks on their own.
However, after saying that, I think JA98 will be more visible this year because PJerry and Babs will create far more inside push with the added combined speed and it will create more opportunities for him. Again however, it all depends on how he is used and what his instructions are from his coaches. What would be good is if we had the opportunity to view game film and break down each defensive play to see what JA98’s role was. Watching a game on TV does not necessarily allow you to see each play and the contributions made by different individulas in helping to arrive at the end product which in this case is a sack or a TFL etc. The same thing will apply for an interception. The CB or the safety get’s the accolades for actually picking off the pass but the real damage may have been done by the DL getting that pressure on the QB.
Falcon Nation, all I am concerned about is how many wins will our Birds get? 10 I say!!! So during that run if JA98 plays his role without getting the spotlight I’m still fine. I’ll allow Smitty and the coaches make the final assessment on each player.
Go Falcons!!!
Nuff respect everytime!!!
Nookah
July 25th, 2009
11:08 pm
Oh, by the way I should have allayed all fears of the Falcon Nation and say…..
“Don’t worry about a thing,
‘Cause every little thing gonna be all right.
Singin’: “Don’t worry about a thing,
‘Cause every little thing gonna be all right!”…………………….Robert Nesta Marley!!
Go Falcons!!!
Nuff respect everytime!!!
Sarah B
July 25th, 2009
11:13 pm
11 I say!
Sarah B
July 25th, 2009
11:13 pm
Nooka love that song!
CBrass
July 25th, 2009
11:28 pm
Jason,
Hope you and the family have a great time down at Disney. A couple of friends and myself hit a couple of parks before going to the Capital One Bowl and had a blast. Please check in when you can.
Sarah B
July 25th, 2009
11:30 pm
Hey CBrass
CBrass
July 25th, 2009
11:32 pm
Nookah,
Never looked at it that way…great eye opener.
Sarah B,
Hey yourself!! How have you been?
Sarah B
July 25th, 2009
11:46 pm
Good CBrass and you?
JJ
July 25th, 2009
11:51 pm
Nookah, as always, you bring wisdom and marley together to our falcon bird cage…you are the ‘mon my friend! Would love more of your thoughts!
D3 – my friend, I saw big ray on bradlys blog, we need his insight over here. I know our fan blog is just starting, but the only way we get traffic is if you click on the falcons AND THEN u see the bird cage. Have you noticed on the orig. sports page, their is no mention of the cage, even in the fan sport blogs! Traffic-advertisement-I know its early, but why no love my friend? Why is the bird cage not listed under fan blogs? We have no advertisement unless they click on falcons…the bird cage should be on page 1 sports, just like little doggies/bees fan blog, yes? No biggie, sure this is just an oversight with ajc!!!lol
Nookah
July 26th, 2009
12:10 am
Sarah B, I know you mentioned some time ago that you loved that song, so when I selected the lyrics I thought I may have got a comment from you. It’s all good, I aim to please….lol.
CBrass, JJ, nuff respect!!! It’s all about the Falcons. The diversity of opinions and the good-natured criticism and positive vibes are what’s gonna make this blog the bomb!!!
D3, your respect is large!!!!
Jason, have a great time my friend but make sure you come back and join us (as if you need encouragement to do that…lol)
Go Falcons!!!
Nuff respect everytime!!!
jason
July 26th, 2009
12:48 am
Nookah, As far as JAderson, I could not have said it any better. Farewell, I will be back as soon as I can.
Unca' Bob
July 26th, 2009
4:37 am
Nookah,
Great post my friend, as always. Expectations. They can be a cruel burden to bare.
Unca' Bob
July 26th, 2009
5:14 am
A timely topic.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/11978999
Unca' Bob
July 26th, 2009
5:36 am
Great news and an update from Coach Ken.
UPDATE! My bid on a house got accepted and I could be back in the ATL by the end of August, YEAAAAAAA! I had actually started to come to the realization I might end up spending this winter in the Dominican Republic.
Who would you prefer to start along side DT JBabineaux, PJerry or TLewis? TLewis is bigger and maybe a little stronger. He could provide better protection for MLB CLofton, provide run stopping capability, as well as an adequate pass rush on 1st and 2nd downs. PJerry could be teamed with DE JAbraham and used like he was used last yr, in obvious passing situations and 4th quarters.
NikkiFree
July 26th, 2009
8:04 am
Okay, JA98. It’s time to “go” or get off the pot. He needs to produce this season or he will officially be a bust to me. word keeps coming out of camp of how good he looks. I’ll be at The Branch next weekend to get a closer look at him. We won’t know anything for sure about him until the season starts though.
CBrass
July 26th, 2009
9:48 am
Sarah B,
I hope you do not think that I was ignoring you but everytime that I hit refresh nothing was coming up!!! I’m doing good…been a very long couple of weeks. How are things at work?
BT
July 26th, 2009
9:53 am
Unca Bob, good news on Coach Ken.
About that DT rotation.
We don`t have enough information on Trey Lewis, other than what the Org. has indicated about his potiental.
We know his measurables and that`s about it, have to take their word about him, preconcieved as a one gap player, used a run stopper in the under formation.
We have seen more tape on P.Jerry and I am confident of his abilities a a true three technique DT.
Meaning he can line up line up to cover any of the three gaps and be a disruptive force against both the run and pass and be particularly usefull in the over formation on passing downs.
I will be monitoring DT the situation closely throughout the preseason as the play of new DT`s is critical for the overall success of the young defence.
That said, I have to give the inside track for getting the most reps to Jerry and I would like seeing him signed this week and be in camp on time, a lot is riding on his development.
Unca' Bob
July 26th, 2009
10:08 am
BT,
The signing of Z. Hood, should go a long ways to get P. Jerry signed. The process needs to proceed smoothly.
jason
July 26th, 2009
10:20 am
Good morning everyone. I am at the airport waiting on our flight. Got a few minutes thought I would jump in. I have a question. I don’t understand the 3 technique and such. I look at our DTs as being a true DT and a NT, Going by that, I had Babs and Jerry as my DTs and Lewis and Walker as my NTs. Anyway, that is my thinking. BT, c,mon at learn me the DT position.
Unca’Bob, excellent research as usual. What would happen if Bierrman was to beat out JA98 and Davis? Talk about throwing a monkey wrench. Any thoughts or opinions on this scenario.
jason
July 26th, 2009
10:21 am
I will not worry about Jerry being unsigned until the second preseason game. He will be in camp and participating, hopefully. First round picks are always the last to sign.
Unca' Bob
July 26th, 2009
11:11 am
jason,
A 3-technique tackle lines up between the offensive guard and tackle. A 3-technique tackle is supposed to run through his gap immediately. He is a 1-gap player. His job is not to block or get tied up in a block, but rather to be athletic and get himself into the offensive backfield and disrupt their plans. Because of this a 3-technique tackle is a lighter more athletic guy than a nose tackle, typically weighing more like 290 to 300 pounds
Unca' Bob
July 26th, 2009
11:22 am
jason,
If K Biermann should beat out J Anderson and C Davis, I would say we have a horse we can all ride to town.
CBrass
July 26th, 2009
11:27 am
Unca’ Bob,
Thanks for the explanation I had the same question as jason.
BT,
Under Formation? What exactly does that mean?
BT
July 26th, 2009
11:35 am
Jason-You have the right basic idea.
I hope this explains the terminology.
The linemen on the offensive line line up a few feet away from each other. This leaves gaps between the linemen. These gaps are both lettered and numbered. The gap between the guard and tackle is called the B gap. If you are a defensive tackle lined up in the B gap, but shifted over a bit towards the guard, you’re called a 3-technique. If you were lined up in the same gap but shifted over a couple feet to line up on the tackle’s shoulder, you would be a 4-technique. If you line up directly facing the center, you’re called a nose tackle.
Nose tackles are two-gap players, and are typically very big and very strong men, usually 350 pounds or more and 6′5″ or taller. These guys have the responsibility of clogging up the entire center of the field, of keeping the center and at least one guard busy, and thereby protecting their middle linebacker. The nose tackle will also be responsible in passing plays to push the center back towards the quarterback so that the quarterback cannot step up in the pocket and evade the rush of the defensive ends. A good nose tackle can be hit simultaneously by 650 pounds of center and guard and will not budge as much as one inch.
A 3-technique tackle lines up between the offensive guard and tackle. A 3-technique tackle is supposed to run through his gap immediately. He is a 1-gap player. His job is not to block or get tied up in a block, but rather to be athletic and get himself into the offensive backfield and disrupt their plans. Because of this a 3-technique tackle is a lighter more athletic guy than a nose tackle, typically weighing more like 290 to 300 pounds.
CBrass
July 26th, 2009
11:40 am
BT,
Again great explanation!!! You’ve answered many questions that I was about to ask.
Unca' Bob
July 26th, 2009
11:47 am
CBrass,
Do you remeber a link I showed you? Please go here and read it.
http://football.calsci.com/Positions.html
CBrass
July 26th, 2009
12:16 pm
Unca’ Bob
Thanks I forgot all about this link!!!
Dean21
July 26th, 2009
1:11 pm
D3, you are the man! This is surely a long time coming! We all should be proud to have a place of our own~
Wassup Jason, Nookah, Unca’Bob & rest of the bird cage crew!!
I see the cage has been rockin!
Dawson Devitt (D3)
July 26th, 2009
1:12 pm
Good Sunday Afternoon Fellow ‘Cagers!
jason – My head goes with JA#98, but my heart goes with CD#92. Even though they say it publicy, I’m not sure that C.Davis will get a fair shot. That’s what camps for I guess.
Kneivel – Great to have you. Join us on a regular basis, it can become quite addicting.
Sarah B – Yep, finishing up the last mini-vaca, but I got a lot of stuff ready to roll for us.
jason(2) – Have a great trip. You’ll be returning at the perfect time for training camp. Looks like fantasy football draft will be towards end of August. Email coming soon.
Nookah – Excellent point. Personally, all that really matters is what Coach Smith and Co. think of JA#98. Ultimately, if they like what he’s doing than the rest doesn’t matter. Sacks are definitely a stat assessment that many experts and fans focus on.
JJ – Yeah, I think its taking a little time to work out the kinks, but The Bird Cage has a link front and center on the sports page now. It was an unusual roll-out time for the ‘Cage being on a Friday, but its looking good.
Unca’ Bob – Great pull my man. I’ll be really surprised if Biermann gets in the mix, but anything goes when the first whistle of training camp blows. Anderson is certainly the safe pick to start.
NikkiFree – Spot on analysis. This looks to be one of the best battles of training camp. Ultimately, the coaching staff may not need to see the sacks as much as fans would like.
BT – The DT rotation and improved depth, assuming health, should be a boost for JA#98 and Abe alike. Seems to be the most talented and deep DT rotation we’ve had in a while.
BT & Unca’ Bob – Now that’s some good meat and potatoes football IQ.
Dean21
July 26th, 2009
1:26 pm
My take is JA9 will have a break out year, this will be his year to shine. I predict 7-8 sacks from him and although his speed and quickness has helped in stopping the run, his speed and qicukness will also help facilitate more sacks for him. Of course the front line must remain healthy and with trey lewis coming back from injury and getting Perry in camp will be a great asset. I see a great improvement in our defense this year.
Dean21
July 26th, 2009
1:34 pm
Unca’Bob – You are right on with KBiermann, but also Chancy D. will drive JA98 to better competition this year. He cannot expect to just suit up at the starting DE position this year and perform like the previous years. He has to earn it this year by the old fashioned competition way! There are other guys ready to step in if he falters..
I expect JPerry to be signed this week. He needs to be in camp day one.
D3, is the meet & greet still on at the Branch?
Dean21
July 26th, 2009
1:36 pm
typo = PJerry
Unca’Bob – You are right on with KBiermann, but also Chancy D. will drive JA98 to better competition this year. He cannot expect to just suit up at the starting DE position this year and perform like the previous years. He has to earn it this year by the old fashioned competition way! There are other guys ready to step in if he falters..
I expect PJerry to be signed this week. He needs to be in camp day one.
D3, is the meet & greet still on at the Branch?
CBrass
July 26th, 2009
2:49 pm
I have a question. Do you guys think Biermann will see anytime at LB. I’ve ready that many of you guys said that he’s a type of hybrid DE player and was listed as a LB when he was drafted(if memory servers me correctly). Just interested in hearing what you guys think.
CBrass
July 26th, 2009
2:50 pm
That’s should be “I’ve read that many of you guys have said…”
Unca' Bob
July 26th, 2009
3:12 pm
CBrass,
If you save some of the links I’ve posted, you can return to them for reference.
Biermann was an extremly disruptive LB at Montana. He is shown on mt roster at 6′3″ & 241 lbs. Someone said he put on an additional 20 lbs. I could see him as an edge player in certain sets.
CBrass
July 26th, 2009
3:27 pm
Unca’ Bob,
Thanks. I also heard that he put on an additional 20 lbs. I’m reading the latest link that you posted for me but what is an edge player? It that basically an LB that plays on the line?
Unca' Bob
July 26th, 2009
3:30 pm
CBrass,
It should be expained on that link.
CBrass
July 26th, 2009
3:42 pm
I’ll skip around and trying to find it.
Nookah
July 26th, 2009
4:04 pm
CBrass, in addition to what Unca’ Bob has said, remember Smitty likes his players to be multi-dimensional. With the makeup of our defense now predicated on speed, speed and more speed, there is a great probability we will be switching players all over the field to give the opposing offense multi looks and trying to confuse the issue. We have become faster and younger and that combination spells…A-G-G-R-E-S-S-I-O-N!!!
Ken Strick keeps making reference to the development of the offense last year and how quickly they showed improvement. If our defense does the same thing or even 75% of what the offense did in one year, we’ll be fine. This is officially year 1 for a lot of the defense as we have made many replacements but there are some year 2 candidates who I expect a lot from (there goes that “expectation” thing again). Guys such as Lofton, Babs, Chauncy, Biermann, JA#98, Wire et al will be flying to the ball because they should be higher up on the learning curve. Don’t forget Peterson should be even higher up on that “curve” too as he is not only a veteran but also very used to Smitty’s schemes. Don’t also forget we get back some guys from injury, Lewis, James etc.
What I am so very pleased about is that there appears to be great chemistry and excellent work ethic that exists on our team. We have a very good balance of youth, aggression, speed, leadership and an ever-present desire to get better. That is why I have so much anticipation for this season. I think our defense will be satisfying to all of us Cagers!!!!!
Go Falcons!!!
Nuff respect everytime!!!!
CBrass
July 26th, 2009
4:25 pm
Nookah,
Thanks!! I asked that about Biermann because I had read it some where and just think how lights out he played last year really had me thinking. I really do not know much about all the schemes and what not but just reading what you guys are having to say has me excited. I really wasn’t playing to make any games(due to the fact that I will be attending all but 2 of UGA games) but I think that will change now. I want to witness what this team have to offer in person!!!
Unca' Bob
July 26th, 2009
4:44 pm
CBrass,
Here is a quick study
.http://www.nfl.com/combine/story?id=09000d5d80eddc94&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true
Unca' Bob
July 26th, 2009
4:44 pm
http://www.nfl.com/combine/story?id=09000d5d80eddc94&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true
Nookah
July 26th, 2009
4:55 pm
CBrass, trust me, these guys on this blog are the best. I have learned so much from them. I would name names but there are too many to list because everybody brings the knowledge. Of course we have the naysayers every now and the unwritten mantra we operate on here is…….STICK TO FOOTBALL!!!! I therefore take no credit for any original football knowledge, just a real Falcon fan.
Go Falcons!!!
Nuff respect everytime!!!!!
Unca' Bob
July 26th, 2009
4:58 pm
CBrass,
I have to leave for a while. I hope that will get you up to date.
CBrass
July 26th, 2009
5:24 pm
I have enough to keep me busy for a while. Thanks for all of your help!!!
falcon21
July 26th, 2009
5:24 pm
Nookah, I know this is not the subject at hand but alot of the naysayers question Ryans arm strength. I think he is more of a touch passer but from what I seen last season he can zip the ball in there in a tight situation and seems to throw the long ball pretty well. What are your thoughts?
kneivel
July 26th, 2009
6:09 pm
Thanks Jason. Yes BVG is one of the greatest defensive minds I have ever seen. The motivation and pride he gives to the defense is out of this world. Look what he did for a small boy like David Pollack!! He turned him into a wotivating defensive warrior. Watch BVG on the sidelines, he still gets pumped and runs and jumps on the sideline. BVG can get the defense fired up and ready. I love this guy, I wish he were still at GA, but I’m Damn glad hes in the state and running the defense for the Falcons. I was able to watch the Falcons play Dallas in Fulton County Stadium and I loved what the defense did then, but the offense with Steve Bartkowski and Alfred Jenkins was awesome!!
GO DAWGS AND FALCONS!! watch the red and black on sat. and sundays great life here in GA.
falcon21
July 26th, 2009
7:52 pm
GO DAWGS AND FALCONS, Kneivel – you the man!!!
Nookah
July 26th, 2009
8:12 pm
Falcon21, you need not apologize for going off topic. Trust me my brother football is what we love and all questions and opinions about our beloved Birds are welcome. I just like talking about this game and I really just got into it in ‘89, but I digress.
I have no problem with arm strength because I think Matty Ice has enough to make the long throws when necessary. The truth is we have not had the real deep threat to allow him to make that throw. Rarely last season a couple of safeties/CB’s made bad reads and left one or more of our WR’s wide open e.g. Mike Jenkins vs. Detroit. However, you have to have WR’s with above average speed to get down field and make that option possible.
However, let’s take a look at the numbers last season. For all QB’s in the league (32), Matty Ice was tied for 8th in the league with Delhomme for passes over 40 yards. Drew Brees (no surprise there) and Aaron Rogers were tied for 1st with 16. Phillip Rivers and Kurt Warner were 2nd with 12.
Incidentally the leading receivers who caught passes for 40+ yards were Greg Jennings with 8 leading the way. Berrian (Min), Vincent Jackson (SD) and Calvin Johnson (Det) were tied for 2nd with 7. What is common with these receivers? Speed kills!!!! Yes it kills the opposing CB’s and or safeties.
Interestingly enough, Roddy was tied for 11th with 4 catches and Harry Douglas and Mike Jenkins were tied for 30th with 2. My guess is we may have more of them this year as defenses will have to pay attention to the middle of the field this year with #88 patrolling there and this can open up the down-field options. However, what is not to be underestimated is the ability of our recievers to get there with enough separation to allow Matty Ice to choose that as a vaible option.
I hope you have follwed my reasoning…lol.
Go Falcons!!!
Nuff respect everytime!!!!
CBrass
July 26th, 2009
8:23 pm
falcon21,
I too love my Dawgs and my Birds!!! As for Matty arm just think back to the pass that he threw to White against the Chiefs!!!
http://www.atlantafalcons.com/media_library/Videos/NFL_Network/2008/09/NFL_Network_-_Matt_Ryan_Bomb_-_9-21-08.aspx
Nookah
July 26th, 2009
8:28 pm
CBrass,
Thanks for the memories and I could not have answered Falcon21’s earlier question any better. Nuff said. Can you find the Detroit first pass of the season…..Matty Ice to Jenkins for 62 yards?!!!
Go Falcons!!!
Nuff respect everytime!!!
CBrass
July 26th, 2009
8:36 pm
Nookah,
Give me a couple of minutes and I’ll see if I can find it.
CBrass
July 26th, 2009
8:41 pm
Nookah,
Here are his highlights from the Lions game. The came his first td pass for the first minute and he also had a nice pass to White.
http://www.atlantafalcons.com/media_library/Videos/NFL_Network/2008/09/NFL_Network_-_Matt_Ryan_Highlight_-_9-7-08.aspx
CBrass
July 26th, 2009
8:43 pm
That should be “They cover his first td pass…” my bad…LOL
Nookah
July 26th, 2009
8:59 pm
CBrass,
Are you an English major? If so is there a plural for “goosebumps”? Is it “geesebumps”? LOL
Those two clips were absolutely divine!!!! Sweet!!!
We’ll see more of that this season trust me!!!!
Go Falcons!!!
Nuff respect everytime!!!!
CBrass
July 26th, 2009
9:28 pm
Nookah,
Really didn’t like English class at all…LOL I was trying to type and watch tv and you see how that worked out. Goosebumps…geesebumps? That’s really something to think about…LOL
Sarah B
July 26th, 2009
9:32 pm
Well glad CBrass, Nooka, Unca Bob & falcon21 kept it going while I was at the pool and hanging out with buds. Good stuff!
CBrass
July 26th, 2009
9:33 pm
Heading to bed. I’ll check up with you guys tomorrow.
God Bless.
Sarah B
July 26th, 2009
9:38 pm
CBrass if Stirg doesn’t show up soon you are sooooo ready for FFL! Good stuff with geesebumps! I’m a victim of not checking spelling too glad I’m not the only one. They need an auto spell check on here.
falcon21
July 26th, 2009
9:48 pm
Nookah, thank you. You said everything I wanted to hear and CBrass that was great, I think Nookah said it best, goosebumps or geesebumps, WOW! Thank you CBrass and hello Sarah.
Sarah B
July 26th, 2009
10:18 pm
Hello Falcon2!
D3
July 26th, 2009
10:37 pm
Excellent Sunday P.M. Bird Cagers! Things have gotten off to a great start, and I have all of you to thank for that. Whether you’re a regular poster or a casual reader, we welcome you to join in the discussion.
Unca’ Bob – Great news on Coach Ken. When will he drop in and christen the ‘Cage?
Dean21 – Thanks brother. The meetup is still on. I’ll be there with my #3 DJ Shockley jersey on ready for some action. Black Matty Ice jersey reserved for the season. Training camp special post coming towards the end of the week. TMac afterwards?
CBRass – Biermann was listed as 6′3, 241 coming out of Montana last year, but Atlanta Falcons official website has him listed at 260 lbs. Maybe we’ll see Biermann and El Sid in some 3-4 looks. Verstaility’s the name of the game.
Nookah – Great work ethic indeed. DOL’s article had Peterson, Nicholas, Sidbury, and others already at camp getting a head start. Things are setting up nicely already.
knievel – Nice post. Looks like you may become a regular in here with your rock-solid posts. Tons of Dawg fans in here.
falcon21 – What’s up my friend? Finishing up the last mini-vacation in your stomping ground and headed back to Metro ATL for the start of school and, more importantly, Football season.
CBrass(2) – Many of us didn’t love language arts in school as well. No problems with spelling or grammar in these parts.
Sarah B. – Yep, haven’t heard from Stirg in a while so CBrass should be our relief pitcher. Even though she said she wasn’t up for it. Email coming soon about draft day.
falcon21
July 26th, 2009
10:37 pm
Nookah, your 8:12 post covered alot of things I did not know. Great info, thanks again!!!
Dean21
July 27th, 2009
1:51 am
D3, Not a problem….I’ll wait til later this week and hopefully with the cager’s blog, we can put something together. Yes, I’m down for Tmac!
I must say, there was some interesting topics about the defense yesterday and it seems this will be the points of interest and reasonably so.
ATLJBO
July 27th, 2009
3:19 am
Did Jamaal Anderson train with Chuck Smith this year……. If so do anyone have a link ?
ATLJBO
July 27th, 2009
3:21 am
Did Jamaal Anderson train with Chuck Smith this offseason……. If so do anyone have a link ?