Atlanta Falcons: How good can White-Jones duo be?
Matt Ryan (from left) talks to wide receivers Roddy White and Julio Jones during a recent training camp practice at Flowery Branch. CURTIS COMPTON / CCOMPTON@AJC.COM
Vivlamore reporting on Falcons.
The Falcons are off today but tomorrow I will talk to receivers Roddy White and Julio Jones for a story to run Thursday online/Friday print.
I’m wondering if White and Jones have the potential to be among the greatest wide receiver duos in NFL history and need your help. Below is a list of some of the greatest tandems that I have put together. Let me know what you think. Did I leave a duo out? Have a pair ranked too high or too low?
May they one day be up there with John Stallworth and Lynn Swann, Steelers greats from 1974-82? We posed that question to Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan earlier in training camp.
“We have to win some Super Bowls before we can get compared to those two guys,” Ryan said. “But I think we can be really good. Really, very good. The two of them together are extremely unselfish. They just want to win and want to make plays. They push each other to get better. I think it’s a unique relationship that they have. I think they can be as good as anybody in the league.”
Here is my preliminary list:
1. John Stallworth/Lynn Swann, Steelers
2. Jerry Rice/John Taylor, 49ers
3. Mark Duper/Mark Clayton, Dolphins
4. Isaac Bruce/Torry Holt, Rams
5. Marvin Harrison/Reggie Wayne, Colts
6. Cliff Branch/Fred Biletnikoff, Raiders
7. Drew Pearson/Tony Hill, Cowboys
8. Art Monk/Gary Clark, Redskins
9. Cris Carter/Randy Moss, Vikings
10. Larry Fitzgerald/Anquan Boldin, Cardinals
Honorable mentions: Andre Reed/James Lofton, Bills; Jimmy Smith/Keenan McCardell, Jaguars; Eric Metcalf/Terance Mathis, Falcons
Jeff Schultz has already weighed in. He says Duper/Clayton are too high and Branch/Bilitnekoff are too low.
Let me know what you think and we will “refine.”
- Chris Vivlamore
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Falconlover
August 1st, 2012
12:01 pm
FIRST!
SeenThisBFalcon
August 1st, 2012
12:01 pm
1st….YES!!!!! YES!!!! YES!!!!! THEY CAN!!!!!!
Falconlover
August 1st, 2012
12:01 pm
Sorry that was very imature
SeenThisBDummy
August 1st, 2012
12:05 pm
What a great combo !!!!!!
Falconlover
August 1st, 2012
12:05 pm
But anyway dont you think this is just a little too soon soon for the comparisons and by the way roddy is 30 or 31 and julio is in his early 20’s so i dont see them being in there prime together anyway
Falconlover
August 1st, 2012
12:08 pm
Just my opinon……. but if they can be the best in the nfc south that would be good as h@!%
DB
August 1st, 2012
12:08 pm
Michael Irvin and Alvin Harper- Dallas Cowboys
miggity
August 1st, 2012
12:10 pm
j smith and k mccardell…are you kidding me??
DB
August 1st, 2012
12:11 pm
Roddy White will slowly shift into a #2 receiver over the season and will be the best number 2 for the next couple of years
Chris Vivlamore
August 1st, 2012
12:18 pm
Falconlover: Not saying White-Jones are there or will be there, just discussing their potential. The list is just a companion.
Chris Vivlamore
August 1st, 2012
12:19 pm
miggity: Put them as honorable mention because the combined for nearly 1,100 catches and for four seasons both had 1,000-yard seasons together.
Chris Vivlamore
August 1st, 2012
12:20 pm
Seen This B4: Any Saints duo that should be on the list?
miggity
August 1st, 2012
12:22 pm
touch Chris. touche.
Nowwehaveasecondary!
August 1st, 2012
12:22 pm
Your honorable mention list about the Falcons is only half right. It should have been Tony Martin/Terrance Mathis, aka the M & M Boys. Remember 98!
Chris Vivlamore
August 1st, 2012
12:27 pm
Nowwehaveasecondary!: Thanks. I will go look up their numbers together.
Nate in SLC
August 1st, 2012
12:29 pm
Rice and Taylor have to be number one. White/Jones won’t have the longevity to be among the best ever, but this year and next they could put together combined numbers to rival almost anybody.
All the Falcons need to do now is trade for Austin Collie at the slot position and Dennis Pitta to groom for stardom after Tony Gonzalez retires next season! Haha.
PMC
August 1st, 2012
12:30 pm
Depends on how well the line protects really. There’s no reason both of those guys can’t have 10 TD’s or more.
Paddy
August 1st, 2012
12:30 pm
Chris…….Paul Wafield and Gary Collins of the Browns need to be on that list.
Paddy
August 1st, 2012
12:31 pm
Paul Warfield!!!!!!!!
Chris Vivlamore
August 1st, 2012
12:31 pm
Nate is SLC: Schultz made that argument as well. I figured it was just because he covered Rice and Taylor!
Chris Vivlamore
August 1st, 2012
12:32 pm
Paddy: I’ll run that one by Clevelander D. Orlando Ledbetter.
Mikefalcon63
August 1st, 2012
12:34 pm
I think the Carter/Moss comparison may be the closest from a talent perspective. But I think Roddy and Julio will play more years together and have more combined catches/td’s than Moss/Carter
Northern Bird
August 1st, 2012
12:36 pm
How about Steve Largent and Daryl Turner ?
I think Chris Carter and Randy Moss are rated too low. I know they didn’t have a long time together, but the time they did have was crazy. Our Falcons killed their big year in 98 with the vikings !
PMC
August 1st, 2012
12:37 pm
I don’t understand by what metric Stallworth and Swann are #1. They aren’t even remotely as productive as Harrison and Wayne and Rice/Taylor won as many SB’s did they not?
The Steelers were a defensive/running team. Bruce/Holt are better than rated as are Bilitnikoff/Branch
Carter/Moss should be higher too.
Chris Vivlamore
August 1st, 2012
12:39 pm
Northern Bird: Yeah, I thought hard about Carter and Moss. They only played four years together.
PMC
August 1st, 2012
12:40 pm
Swann is in the HOF because of big catches but Franco Harris made the best catch in Steelers History before the Holmes catch to win the SB.
I can’t wrap my head around Stallworth/Swann at #1 on this list. I don’t get it.
Chris Vivlamore
August 1st, 2012
12:40 pm
PMC: Stallworth and Swann are both in the Hall of Fame.That was my thinking.
Nowwehaveasecondary!
August 1st, 2012
12:44 pm
Unfortunately for the Falcons, the M & M Boys tandem was short lived because Tony Martin faced federal money laundering charges before the start of the next season. The Falcons got scared and let him go. He was acquitted of the charges and played several seasons later for the Falcons again, but he was older (mid 30s) and had diminished skills then.
True ATL Fan
August 1st, 2012
12:44 pm
No way you can leave off Irvin and Harper. And I agree, replace Metcalf with Tony Martin. Smith and McCardell were beasts when the Jags first came into the league.
javon
August 1st, 2012
12:45 pm
Larry Fitzgerald & Anquan Boldin are ranked too low. At least, top 6 but right at 10 is just disrespectful definitely for a franchise that did pretty much nothing until they got there.
PMC
August 1st, 2012
12:48 pm
Ok Chris, I understand from that perspective, I just think they get a huge bump in that area for being Steelers.
I don’t think of those two as being a highly productive duo, just really good when it counted.
Chris Vivlamore
August 1st, 2012
12:55 pm
True ATL Fan: I will go back and look at those numbers.
Larry
August 1st, 2012
12:59 pm
For the Falcons, I’ll take Alfred Jackon and Alfred Jenkins from 1980, thank you!
Swan and Stallworth are the best ever.
Birdman of Falcatraz
August 1st, 2012
12:59 pm
If Roddy were closer to the start of his career than the end then I would say absolutely. It seems like just a Julio will reach his prime in a year or two more, Roddy may be on the decline. If you take their careers independently they should eventually stack up nicely, but concurrently there wont be a big enough sample size.
Larry
August 1st, 2012
1:00 pm
White and Jones both drop too many catchable balls–especilly Roddy–to be in an elite discussion.
SirReal
August 1st, 2012
1:43 pm
Chris, I agree with your list. I was thinking about Tim Brown of the Raiders but he never really had a true compliment for an extended period of time. Sad…he was a great wideout.
WooYeah
August 1st, 2012
1:44 pm
WHOA! Easy there, fella…
Let’s see how they actually perform, before we start putting them into this conversation.
The greatest performed year in, year out. White and Jones have to yet string together a dual 1000 yard season.
While prognosticating is fun, performance is what matters.
WooYeah
August 1st, 2012
1:44 pm
WHOA! Easy there, fella…
Let’s see how they actually perform, before we start putting them into this conversation.
The greatest performed year in, year out. White and Jones have to yet string together a dual 1000 yard season.
While prognosticating is fun, performance is what matters.
Dawg-gone(a win)
August 1st, 2012
1:44 pm
How about Fred Gibson and Terrance Edwards…oh wait.
WooYeah
August 1st, 2012
1:45 pm
WHOA! Easy there, Chris…
Let’s see how they actually perform, before we start putting them into this conversation.
The greatest performed year in, year out. White and Jones have to yet string together a dual 1000 yard season.
While prognosticating is fun, performance is what matters.
Brian Hunt
August 1st, 2012
1:45 pm
Stallworth and Swann are definitely ranked too high.
SeenThis B4
August 1st, 2012
1:46 pm
Larry beat me to the question, but how can you be serious to consider them among the greatest wide receiver NFL tandems, when one of them leads the NFL in drops? Nawh, you just need to forget about publishing that storyline, unless of course, you WANT to publish fictional sports accounts.
Sam
August 1st, 2012
1:49 pm
Larry, don’t forget to throw Wallace Francis in there too.
Wink
August 1st, 2012
1:49 pm
Can we add Plaxico Burress to the mix…plz! He is a free agent and willing to be a back up to Roddy & Julio. Would be excellent size for the Red Zone….a high upgraded Finneran.
FalconsFan284
August 1st, 2012
1:52 pm
Given the age of Roddy White I think they have a chance to be as good as Jerry Rice/Terrell Owens. The timing seems to be very familiar to what San Fran did but Jones could have more potential than Owens.
Shady
August 1st, 2012
1:55 pm
Alred Jenkins & Wallace Francis, duh
newkid
August 1st, 2012
1:57 pm
As you prepare your piece, suggest you give some attention to who threw the ball to the pairs you’ve mentioned (e.g., Bradshaw, Montana, Marino), and the offensive schemes they ran. Put Bradshaw, Montana or Marino with White & Jones, and maybe you’ve got a topic worthy of debate. White and Jones might just be much more limited by the thrower than by their own limitations.
backatcha
August 1st, 2012
2:04 pm
Michael Irvin / Alvin Harper should be mentioned! SeenThisB4, I can understand your frustration. Our teams seem to never fail to disappoint. However, if Roddy would cut back on the drops (especially the critical ones that would win us the game oh yeah and by the way STAY OFF TWEETER) and with Julio having a full year under his belt, I believe we might have something special in the Atl.
Die Hard Falcon
August 1st, 2012
2:06 pm
I would definitely put Rice/Taylor as #1, I agree w/ many that Stallworth/Swann are too high, I get the 4 SB’s and the HOF nods, but still it was more so the curtain and the running game.
I really hope the Julio and Roddy can have 3 or 4 productive seasons together, it’s too bad Julio didn’t come out 1 or 2 years earlier, if they had 5 or 6 seasons together, I think at the end they’d be high on this list.
Go Falcons!
WhosTerryHolt?
August 1st, 2012
2:16 pm
Tory Holt ***
KJ
August 1st, 2012
2:19 pm
what about Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne
yo mama
August 1st, 2012
2:30 pm
cmon dled terry holt? it’s torry holt(spelling). i swear you never check your copy before you air it.
Mr. Hankey
August 1st, 2012
2:35 pm
How about Alfred Jenkins and Billy Rickman? Come on, man, you gotta have another white guy in there. He did more with less than any other Falcon ever. Small, slow, white. I’m just saying….Alvin Harper? Really? Wasn’t he a big time bust after he left the Cowgirls? All the pairs you named wore the Falcons out at one time or another and I had the pleasure to witness several of those debacles in person. Ouch. I STILL HATE JERRY RICE.
coscro
August 1st, 2012
2:45 pm
Randy Moss/Chris Carter
Statick
August 1st, 2012
2:47 pm
Like Matt said, they’ll have to win some Superbowls first. Heck, they’ll both have to show some consistency before that. Let’s not jump the gun here, Vivlamore.
Chris Vivlamore
August 1st, 2012
3:02 pm
Thanks for the check on the typo on spelling of Tory Holt. Will fix. Although, yo mama before you are so critical you might want the check the three places it says Vivlamore wrote the piece and not Ledbetter. But thanks for the catch.
Again folks, not putting White and Jones in this category. It’s just a companion list for discussion purposes.
Chris Vivlamore
August 1st, 2012
3:03 pm
KJ: Harrison and Wayne are No. 5.
Big Chuck
August 1st, 2012
3:04 pm
Herman Moore and Brett Perriman
Mikey
August 1st, 2012
3:06 pm
Another vote for Jimmy Smith and Kenan McCardel. They made that franchise while they were there. If they had played for Dallas or the Steelers, we would still be hearing about them every day from the sports analysts. I sincerely hope White and Jones get into that rarified air… there is certainly a possibility but they have to do it for more than one game.
RTR22
August 1st, 2012
3:06 pm
Throw JULIO the ballll…….. Roll Tide
to real
August 1st, 2012
3:07 pm
Lets just make sure our o-line can block and keep matt ryan up right b4 we start dis duo debate tha answer is yes for about tha next 2 or 3 seasons they can be as good as any on this list but we all know it starts up front!!!!!!
Ted Striker
August 1st, 2012
3:07 pm
Excellent topic, fine and objective analysis. I might flip #1 & #2 however that is splitting hairs.
Super Duper and Clayton are perfectly fine at #3.
You tell Schultz that TED STRIKER said your #3 choice is a FINE FINE pick.
(Also that used copies of his book on the 49′ers sell for 2 cents on Amazon and that I wasted $4.99 on shipping. Plus 2 cents for something to line my parakeet cage, And he owes Striker a beer and an iPad in Athens this fall if my liver holds up till then)
This is a good column and thank you for writing it.
Also a potential topic would be the best WR/TE tandems in history. Or…the best players who were drafted at one position and then made an impact elsewhere.
Always looking out for fine journalists,
Striker
Striker
Striker
(fine: SMACK)
Chris Vivlamore
August 1st, 2012
3:07 pm
I am reminded by one Redskins fans that the seven tandems ahead of Monk and Clark had a Hall of Fame quarterback throwing to them and not Mark Rypien.
Michael M.
August 1st, 2012
3:14 pm
There’s no comparison……………
Chris Vivlamore
August 1st, 2012
3:15 pm
So I take it from the silence of Seen This B4 on the specific subject that there are not any Saints tandems to consider.
Nowwehaveasecondary!
August 1st, 2012
3:15 pm
I think Andre Rison and the often overlooked Michael Haynes were a great receiving tandem. They had four or five good years together. I remember some one put together a list of the 50 greatest Falcons ever, and Michael Haynes was left off the list. He should have been on it. Just as Michael Jenkins caught the first touchdown pass from Matt Ryan on his first throw, Michael Haynes caught the first touchdown pass from Chris Miller on the first pass thrown in the Georgia Dome – it was I think a 72 yard play.
Chris Vivlamore
August 1st, 2012
3:17 pm
Ted Striker: Thanks and I will pass on your comments to Schultz – especially about the book!
Larry
August 1st, 2012
3:32 pm
Nowwehaveasecondary!,
In Chris Millers first game lost the Falcons lost to the San Francisco 49ers, 35-7, with Miller throwing 4 interceptions and getting sacked 3 times.
AlanFalcon
August 1st, 2012
3:34 pm
All that matters here is that they are our receivers, Atlanta falcons receivers and what they will do for this team over the next years will be phenominal !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AlanFalcon
August 1st, 2012
3:37 pm
RTR22—this ain’t the Tide, this is the Falcons !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Paddy
August 1st, 2012
3:39 pm
Abercrombie & Fitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hiramsaint
August 1st, 2012
3:42 pm
if the failclowns use a weak armed qb , say like matty meltdown , then they won’t be to good but with an nfl caliber qb , say like brees , they could be ok !
Esquire
August 1st, 2012
3:50 pm
Chris Vivlamore
August 1st, 2012
12:20 pm
Seen This B4: Any Saints duo that should be on the list?
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This makes me want to spit. Why would you want to legitimize a saints troll on a Falcons blog? What the F is wrong with you people? DLed, Chris just drove the damn thing over a cliff.
Chris Vivlamore
August 1st, 2012
3:54 pm
Esquire: My apologies. I was just trying to needle him back a little bit.
Tastes Like Chicken
August 1st, 2012
4:00 pm
How about Welker/ Moss?
Big Ray
August 1st, 2012
4:06 pm
Nawh, you just need to forget about publishing that storyline, unless of course, you WANT to publish fictional sports accounts.
Naw, he doesn’t want to work in New Orleans.
Big Ray
August 1st, 2012
4:07 pm
So I take it from the silence of Seen This B4 on the specific subject that there are not any Saints tandems to consider.
You would be correct, sir. Inconvenient things, those darn facts…
Big Crimson 75
August 1st, 2012
4:08 pm
Julio will snag 90+balls this year, 1400+ yards & 15 TDs this year!!!
I look for Roddy to snag around 90 again with 1000 yards and 8 TDs.
Only Megatron will put up better numbers than Julio this year!!
ernisTbass
August 1st, 2012
4:10 pm
Wes Chandler & Charlie Joiner
Kevrock
August 1st, 2012
4:12 pm
Andre Reed and James Lofton need to be in the top ten. They did more for the Bills than Fitzgerald and Boldin has done for the Cardinals although they are great receivers!!
ernisTbass
August 1st, 2012
4:14 pm
Mark Duper & Clayton
ernisTbass
August 1st, 2012
4:18 pm
Art Monk & Gary Clark
backatcha
August 1st, 2012
4:20 pm
Saints are a great team, not necessarily great individuals. Marques Colston, Meachem, Moore, & the fast guy from LSU stepped up big when it counted! Also, I’m surprised we didn’t go after Tracy Porter when he hit the market, he did amazing things against us. New Orleans & Green Bay are alike. Two great quarterbacks w/ great supporting casts.
Michael M.
August 1st, 2012
4:22 pm
laughin……………..the Saints have a receiver tandem duo ………….Abbott & Costello ? ?
Big Crimson 75
August 1st, 2012
4:25 pm
Alanfalcon — Rtr22 is 100% correct.
I don’t care if it’s the 85 Bears, throw Julio the ball!!
Good things will happen.
SeenThis B4
August 1st, 2012
4:32 pm
Chris Vivlamore
August 1st, 2012
3:15 pm
So I take it from the silence of Seen This B4 on the specific subject that there are not any Saints tandems to consider.
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When you have the most prolifiic passing team in the NFL for several years now, you would think there would be a tandem, BUT there isn’t. Cause it’s not a tandem, it’s a quartet. Last year it was Colston, Henderson, Moore and Meachem. This year, it will be Colston, Moore, Henderson and one of the following: Arrington, Toon, or Joe Morgan.
St Simons
August 1st, 2012
4:52 pm
it won’t matter how good they are if we don’t get a LT and a Center
abby normal
August 1st, 2012
5:15 pm
Not really in the same league with the big list, but how about one for the old school…Boyd Dowler and Max McGee.
dean
August 1st, 2012
5:33 pm
I cannot speak the name of the dallas receiver with the initials D.P. It wasn’t his fault that our “secondary” in 1980 couldn’t cover a 3-legged cow, but HE caught the dagger then shoved it in our hearts that cold-assed day/evening.
Just Sayin.....
August 1st, 2012
5:37 pm
Receivers can cover up qb flaws only so much.
Just Sayin.....
August 1st, 2012
5:39 pm
I believe Desean Jackson/Jeremy Maclin better crack that list. They are far more dynamic than Julio/White and they are under 24 years old.
Old Fan
August 1st, 2012
5:39 pm
I would had Tony Martin/Terance Mathis not Eric Metcalf/Terance Mathis. Go check there stats for the 98 season. you will be impressed.
Just Sayin.....
August 1st, 2012
5:47 pm
One other thing: Each of those listed had either/or a hall of fame qb or superbowl qb.
stevie zero
August 1st, 2012
5:48 pm
lofton and reed
jgsbirds
August 1st, 2012
5:51 pm
i always like rison and haynes from the ‘91 falcons. may not have been together long but were very tough to handle!
Clay
August 1st, 2012
6:42 pm
The Falcons offensive line will have to give Ryan time to throw in order for Roddy/Jones to see their potential.
hiramsaint
August 1st, 2012
6:48 pm
the failclowns tandem is 0-1
Michael M.
August 1st, 2012
6:53 pm
” Ryan said. “But I think we can be really good. Really, very good. The two of them together are extremely unselfish. They just want to win and want to make plays. They push each other to get better. I think it’s a unique relationship that they have. I think they can be as good as anybody in the league.”
They already are as good as anyone else in the NFL and the soon coming Season will show it in the numbers they will put up on the scoreboard and the stat column……………for those they keep claiming Ryan can’t put the ball deep and on the money, they did now watch the whole games from last year. I watched some highlights of some of the games they played last year and Ryan really is a good Quarterback and no Team in the NFL would pass up an opportunity to get Ryan on their Team. The Guy CAN throw the deep ball and get it to those receivers and I know the O-line was bad last year and may not be much better this year as well but last year was more learning experience for this group as a whole and if I was these other Teams in the NFL, I would be very worried when it come my time to play this group of guys.
The Schedule is tougher this year but the Falcons D will be much improved and up to the challenge for those top-tier Teams they will face. This Atlanta Team of 2012 to me is about the best football team Atlanta has ever had in talented players. Whether they winning or losing a game this year, it will be a fun year for Falcon Fans because we know what we have here and its onwards and upwards every single year !
hiramsaint
August 1st, 2012
6:56 pm
wow mikey – is that a re-post from before last years season? it’s hard to tell ’cause we hear the same garbage every year with the same results !
Michael M.
August 1st, 2012
7:13 pm
You know what is really funny hirmyaint………………It takes all your offensive unit to come up with a duo to even come close to matching Julio and Roddy and talk the garbage talk ? After the Junk coming out of the closet on your love in New Orleans, you should be hiding in the closet somewhere, not ” coming out of the closet ” , but I know you wearing that stupid paper sack on your head think you are unseen and can hide but it really does not matter to us cause the Falcons should be ready to get after your Bountygater Bunch when it comes time to play them and I am truly looking forward to it…………..Fume on that for a tad ………….Falcons fly high and aints just crawl !
Big Ray
August 1st, 2012
8:01 pm
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/37352/brees-comments-blown-out-of-proportion
Yeah. And the bounty situation was blown out of proportion, too.
All I hear is a bunch of whiny, pi$$ ant people from the same organization, offering up the same lies and lame alibis, now headlined by their famed QB. They’re all the same. Sorry to a fault.
They’d be better off just saying “It wasn’t me, it was the one-armed man”….whiiiiiiine….
Try being accountable for who and what you are, as well as what you say, for once. But I should know better. This is a tribe of scabs, cheaters, and back-biting slags.
New Orleans. What a dump.
Big Ray
August 1st, 2012
8:05 pm
I believe Desean Jackson/Jeremy Maclin better crack that list. They are far more dynamic than Julio/White and they are under 24 years old.
Can’t keep their heads in the game. And besides that…..
Jackson checks in well behind Roddy White last year, and only two spots ahead of then-rookie Julio Jones.
Jones, meanwhile, checks in at #25 on ESPN’s stat list last year, a whole 10 spots ahead of Maclin.
So tell me again just how dynamic they are? I’ll wait.
hiramsaint
August 1st, 2012
8:22 pm
when the season is over for the failclowns and you’ve reached the 0-4 status – you’ll be catching up to the viqueens as the most laughable franchise in the nfl . you’ll also be trying to get a new qb and hire a saints asst, to be your new h,c,
Michael M.
August 1st, 2012
8:25 pm
You can school the students but some just never learn Big Ray, that’s why they have special places for the ones that can’t be educated…………………back to the garbage talk ………….don’t worry about garbage hirmyaint……..the Falcons will take out the trash, if you get the drift…………enough said ! ! !
Bird Brain
August 1st, 2012
8:32 pm
Assuming they won’t drop many passes, they could be really good. Maybe worst hands tandem in the nfl but lots of yards after the catch if they catch.
Me Too
August 1st, 2012
8:32 pm
You are assuming Coach Mike Smith will not continue with his TENDENCY to play “MARTY BALL”.
The real question is “Will Coach Mike Smith and Coach Marty Schottenheimer be the NFL coach duo to win the most regular season games but to never win the big game?”
Marty Ball is a philosophy of football associated with and named after former NFL head coach Marty Schottenheimer. In simple terms, it means a focus on the running game, with passing used only to further the running game.
Schottenheimer emphasizes offensive attacks that work as follows:
First down: a rushing play.
Second down: another rushing play.
Third down: a pass attempt.
Fourth down: punt (or field goal, if within range).
Fans (and critics) refer to this scheme as “Run, Run, Pass, Punt” (R2P2). Schottenheimer is considered to be a conservatively-minded coach with a majority of his focus on defense. The term “Marty Ball” is generally considered a pejorative because, at times, Schottenheimer will steadfastly continue to emphasize this form of offensive attack while attempting to hold on to a thin lead or when playing from behind – often with negative results.
In terms of regular season play in the NFL, Schottenheimer has run Marty Ball very successfully. During his coaching career with the Cleveland Browns, Kansas City Chiefs, Washington Redskins and San Diego Chargers, Schottenheimer has compiled an impressive 200-126-1 record. His teams have won 8 division titles (Browns: Thrice. Chiefs: Thrice. Chargers: Twice.), made 13 trips to the NFL Playoffs (Browns: 4 trips. Chiefs: 7 trips. Chargers: Twice.), and have reached the AFC Championship Game 3 times (Browns: Twice. Chiefs: Once.). Unfortunately, he has failed to execute Marty Ball in the postseason, where he has an unimpressive 5-13 record and has never reached the Super Bowl.
Left Coast Dawg
August 1st, 2012
8:40 pm
@Chris V – What about Charlie Joiner & John Jefferson, I mean did you guys forget about the Air Coryell days??
jimcrumbley
August 1st, 2012
8:54 pm
Gotta win a super bowl before greatest ever is even a topic of discussion (though I do agree that they are mighty good!)
jaz
August 1st, 2012
8:56 pm
I suspect we will be the short-yard-specialists unless our line gives Ryan a lot more time in the pocket.
SeenThis B4
August 1st, 2012
9:02 pm
The Saints are focused on their mission: to avenge their coach; be defiant in the face of the NFL’s injustices; and win the Super Bowl. All the Saints haters will just become road splatter along the way.
Michael M.
August 1st, 2012
9:07 pm
@ Seen………….hahahahahaha,…………… thanks for the joke.
SeenThis B4
August 1st, 2012
9:13 pm
Keep laughing Michael, just like you did after both the Saints/falcan’ts games last year. LOL!
This year after those games, you’ll be on your knees with your head in your hands.
lol
August 1st, 2012
9:18 pm
hehehehehehehehehehe
crabapplejoe
August 1st, 2012
9:24 pm
I think the following two tandems will have a better year in 2012:
Green Bay: Jordy Nelson & Greg Jennings
Denver: Damarius Thomas & Eric Decker
tidog
August 1st, 2012
9:27 pm
Paul Warfield and Marlon Briscoe Miami dolphins
D. Orlando Ledbetter
August 1st, 2012
9:33 pm
Webster Slaughter and Reggie Langhorne!!!
lol
August 1st, 2012
9:33 pm
SeenThis B4
Saints are focused on their mission: to avenge their coach; be defiant in the face of the NFL’s injustices; and win the Super Bowl.
heheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheh
crabapplejoe
August 1st, 2012
9:35 pm
Best tandem all-time: Welker & Moss in 2007…….Welker drew a lot of double teams on third down freeing up Moss to get the glory with 31 TDs…..
How good will this tandem be? Not as good as the Saints...fact..
August 1st, 2012
9:48 pm
FAILCANTS are “me-2’s” aka wanna-be’s….you don’t have the coaching or leadership to maximize your talent….as a Saints fan, I will admit you have talent, but your coaching staff is a joke…you will never win a SB with Little Tommy and Fat Boy Mike…fact…Saints onthe NFC South….and we own you…you’re just not as good….we have beat you the last 8/10 games and after this season,it will be 10/12….it’s just the brutal facts of being a second tier team…who dat, we dat….
Saints troll > Falclowns
old qb
August 1st, 2012
9:57 pm
DOL–Wow, tv must not have reached the sunny south in the old days. Gonzalez, White, and Jones have potential, but the Chargers under Don Coryell had Wes Chandler, Charlie Joiner, and Kellen Winslow. And before Chandler they had JJ Jeferson. They called it “Air Coryell” for a reason. And without being too controversial I’d at the very minimum stack this group in the top three of all those listed.
Michael M.
August 1st, 2012
9:57 pm
This is a little off the duo thing but the best offensive unit as a whole I believe was Kurt Warner and the Rams…………………..nobody could stop them and they would put you in a deep hole playing catch up after the first quarter was over and no team today even compares to how quick that team could put the opponent away. Amazing,incredible ? No words can describe it. It was Warner takes the field and bombs away !
coacht
August 1st, 2012
10:02 pm
Jackson, Jenkins, Johnson
and the Raiders tandem of Fred B and Cliff B should be higher considering their post season success.
coacht
August 1st, 2012
10:19 pm
The Chargers had Lance Alworth (Hall of Famer) teamed with fullback Keith Lincoln who was a primary short target for QB John Hadl……something else watching Alworth tear folks up….he was something else…Could have been pro in three sports. “Bambi” was smoooooth.
old qb
August 1st, 2012
10:56 pm
Hey Coacht. You’re forgetting Paul Lowe. I was at the game they beat the Boston Patriots for the title in San Diego. I think they beat the Pats something like 63-9. And Bambi gets me into all kinds of arguments because he was every bit of Jerry Rice. I’ve never seen a receiver that could go up so high to snag a pass. He made the tallest of cornerbacks look like they were running in cement boots. They called him Bambi for a reason.
Slaw Dawg
August 1st, 2012
11:12 pm
Are you kidding me!!!! What are you smoking?
old qb
August 1st, 2012
11:20 pm
Slaw Dawg. Be careful, you’re showing your ignorance. There wasn’t a cornerback alive that could stop Alworth. He was a once in a lifetime receiver. Rice played longer and rightfully garnered all the awards and is a true hall of famer, but if you never saw Alworth play I think whatever you’re smoking is coming out your butt.
Saints R.E.A.M.
August 1st, 2012
11:21 pm
Probably about as good as Sproles & Graham.”…in your dreams!!!!
Left Coast Dawg
August 1st, 2012
11:29 pm
@old qb – I had you beat on the Air Coryell reference but good to know I wasn’t alone
weetheresearcher
August 2nd, 2012
1:11 am
Honorable mention: Alford Jenkins/ Action Jackson- Falcons
todd
August 2nd, 2012
2:47 am
if u want to prove you know nothing about football, base your opinion on which WR’s are best by going by who had the least dropped balls… By that logic Golden Tate and Jabbar Gaffney are among the NFL’S best. White had more catches than those 2 combined. you see, the system is fundamentally flawed- some drops are worse than others. wes welker dropped a lot of balls. do people say he has bad hands? this statistic is for losers.
usbummer
August 2nd, 2012
8:18 am
Who did “Bullet” Bob Hayes of the Cowboys team up with?
Matt Riddle
August 2nd, 2012
8:20 am
I think if White stays on top of his health he can play at an elite level for at least another 5 years. Just look at Steve Smith now that he has Newton throwing to him. If these two can click with Ryan we will be one of the top offenses for a long time!
RAM265
August 2nd, 2012
8:50 am
As far as the Falcons go…I’m thinking Alfred Jenkins / Alfred Jackson!!!
Brian Rice
August 2nd, 2012
10:15 am
NICE LIST JUST THINK YOUR MISSING MICHEAL IRVIN/ALVIN HARPER
Geemack
August 2nd, 2012
10:42 am
Let them get a 1000 yards receiving each in the same season, win a playoff game, and the Super Bowl. Then we can talk about being a great duo. Until then put this article on Ice. The top 5 duo’s on that list won a Super Bowl. You don’t fail to score in a playoff game behind a great WR tandem.
Nowwehaveasecondary!
August 2nd, 2012
12:50 pm
Larry,
I was only referring to the first game played in the Georgia Dome in 1992. The Falcons beat the Jets 20 – 17. The play I am referring to was the first pass play in the Georgia Dome and I think it was the first offensive play in the Georgia Dome. I think it was an 80 yard reception instead of 72 yards also as the Falcons took possession on the 20 after the kick-off.
I think I confused the 72 yard touchdown Michael Haynes had with a play against the Redskins in Washington. Michael Haynes caught a pass with Darrell Green covering him. Michael Haynes at the point of reception had a step on him and I remember thinking this is going to go for a few more yards and Darrell Green will catch him. Not only did Darrell Green not catch him, but Michael Haynes pulled away from him as he ran down the field. Darryl Green was the fastest man in the NFL for many years. Michael Haynes is the only player I ever saw run away from Darrell Green, and Darrell Green is a HOFer.
The Falcons were beyond stupid to let Michael Haynes walk as free agent to the Saints when his contract expired. His size, speed, and hands made him the equal of any elite deep threat receiver of his day.
mike addington
August 2nd, 2012
1:59 pm
Orr/Berry
hiramsaint
August 2nd, 2012
4:04 pm
seenthisb4/hiramsaint- best tandem to wreak havoc and turn all failclown blogs into saints blogs.
SeenThis B4
August 2nd, 2012
6:13 pm
GEAUX SAINTS!!!
hiramsaint
August 2nd, 2012
6:23 pm
where ‘yat seen ? hope i wasn’t being to presumptuous with my above post. this is kind of like pre-season for me , you know-whoopin’ up on the lesser fans in preparation of going to real team sites to have some fun !
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Stephen
August 3rd, 2012
2:26 pm
Wow, Roddy looks bigger than Julio in that pic