Are the Falcons ready to show Brent Grimes the money?

 

Cornerback Brent Grimes is set to make $10.281 million in 2012, but reportedly would like a long-term deal. (Curtis Compton  ccompton@ajc.com)

Cornerback Brent Grimes is set to make $10.281 million in 2012, but reportedly would like a long-term deal. (Curtis Compton ccompton@ajc.com)

BIRDLAND – As July 16 approaches and the Saints seem to be bungling a new deal for quarterback Drew Brees, I’ve been getting a lot of questions – via the comment page and twitter.com – about Falcons cornerback Brent Grimes.

Best I can tell, all is quiet on the Grimes’ front. We reached out to his people this week and haven’t heard back from them on or off the record yet. Usually, they are very good about keeping us in the loop, but this is the slow period for everyone.

Smitty is off getting ready to play some golf at Lake Tahoe. Dimitroff is likely cruising around a bike trail somewhere. Roddy White hasn’t even gotten into a Tweet-fight recently as he’s been mourning the move of Ray Allen from his beloved Celtics to the Miami Heat. Reggie Roberts, the Falcons VP PR man, is somewhere hiding out. (He’s dodging me. I think he’s scared to play our annual skins golf match. He clearly doesn’t want ANY this year! Hate to call him out in public, but sometimes drastic times call for drastic measures.)

Here’s what we know about the Grimes situation:

Brees and Grimes are not in the same situation.

BREES is an “exclusive” franchise player – not free to sign with another club – is offered the greater of (i) the average of the top five salaries at the player’s position for the current year as of the end of the Restricted Free Agent Signing Period on April 20; or (ii) the amount of the Required Tender for a non-exclusive franchise player.

GRIMES signed a non-exclusive franchise tender which will pay him $10.281 million this season. From the new collective bargaining agreement: “The Nonexclusive Franchise Tender shall be a one year NFL Player Contract for (A) the average of the five largest Prior Year Salaries for players at the position . . . at which the Franchise Player participated in the most plays [formerly, “games”] during the prior League Year, which average shall be calculated by: (1) summing the amounts of the Franchise Tags for players at that position for the five preceding League Years; (2) dividing the resulting amount by the sum of the Salary Caps for the five preceding League Years . . . ; and (3) multiplying the resulting percentage by the Salary Cap for the upcoming League Year . . . (the “Cap Percentage Average”) . . . ; or (B) 120% of his Prior Year Salary, whichever is greater.”

All of that legalese means, as best I can tell, is the that the exclusive tag ends up with a higher salary than the non-exclusive tag. Also, there is no transition player tag under the new CBA.

Also, the Falcons are too tight up against the cap right now to do a major deal. Because of that, it’s reasonable to conclude that they want Grimes to play under the tag and they’ll revisit extension talks during the upcoming season.

In the past, Dimitroff has taken care of some players they wanted to keep in-season: (Jonathan Babineaux, Michael Jenkins and Tony Gonzalez last year.)

The Falcons only have $2,834,837, fourth lowest in the league, under the cap, according to the NFL. They appear contractually land-locked for the season. That’s just enough room to add on two players at the veteran minimum late in training camp.

We haven’t heard from Grimes since he signed his tender shortly after the Falcons made the move to get Asante Samuel. He told us that he’d get his side of the story out.

San Francisco safety Dashon Golden came out on SiriusNFLradio and said he’s ready to play 2012 under his tender.

“All these one-year/one-year (contracts) is not what any player would want. We know what we put our bodies through and what we do for our teams. But it’s all good. There’s no love lost or anything like that. I just hope something will get done. If not, I’ll still be a 49er.”

But sometimes these franchise tag deals can get messy.

The normally mild-mannered and businesslike Dunta Robinson had a major franchise tag blowup when he was in Houston. He held out before signing the tender and then wrote “Pay Me, Rick” on his shoes. He was referring to Houston general manager Rick Smith, who tagged Robinson.

Also, there was Logan Mankins’ dealings with New England in 2010 under the former CBA.

We don’t know what caused the Grimes’ camp to flip flop. In early March, they had no plans to sign the tag. Then in late April, Grimes signed the tender.

The Grimes camp appears set to play under the tag, while hoping to iron out a long-term deal.

–D. Orlando Ledbetter, The Atlanta Falcons beat blog

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104 comments Add your comment

Scott Carasik

July 12th, 2012
8:51 am

It seems like both sides know that a deal will get done. And for Grimes this is more money in one season than he has ever gotten in his career. However, it’d be very easy for the Falcons to give him a first year cap hit at the Franchise # and still give him a big deal this year.

Chub Rock

July 12th, 2012
8:53 am

Would they not actually free up initial space if they signed him to a long term deal in the form of signing bonus? I don’t expect Grimes will get a long term deal before the deadline though. My sources tell me(via Twitter rant) he was asked to play one more year before a deal could be offered. For some reason it seems like league wide teams are not really interested in signing their tagged players. Grimey has earned his IMO. However his asking price may be too high. Dunta is the one robbing the Branch blind.

London Falcons

July 12th, 2012
8:54 am

Pay the man!

tom

July 12th, 2012
9:04 am

Show him the money? Hell no. Show him the door. Not worth keeping.

Chub Rock

July 12th, 2012
9:12 am

When I hear people say, well the player is making more this year than he has made in his career, I wonder. What if Brent Grimes goes out in game 1 and shreds his knee up, will the Falcons still want to sign him long term at current market value? If not, the argument that he will make more this year than in his career is worthless. For those who have never participated, it’s about security and not the amount one can make in one year.

RobbE33

July 12th, 2012
9:18 am

I understand there’s no injury protection in franchise tags? Is that correct for both exclusive and non-exclusive tags?
I’m glad Optimus has the patience and trust in his organization to eventually give him his due.

SeenThisB4

July 12th, 2012
9:20 am

Nice dig at the Saints DLed, “bungling a new deal for quarterback Drew Brees”. But it’s more like wishful fiction on your part.

Formul8or

July 12th, 2012
9:23 am

If Grimes goes out and shreds his knee in the first game, then the Falcons did the right thing.

I care more about the team than a player

D. Orlando Ledbetter

July 12th, 2012
9:28 am

SeenThisB4 – Was thinking about the report that they are $10 million apart on guaranteed money. That’s a lot. http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_21055801/ap-source-saints-brees-apart-guaranteed-money

D. Orlando Ledbetter

July 12th, 2012
9:29 am

Chubb Rock — Good points. He also bascially been on year-to-year deals since they signed him out of The Shipp!

Chub Rock

July 12th, 2012
9:29 am

That kind of player approach gets you left looking stupid when big time FA are up for grabs. It’s the organization that deals with the players not a fan. Some fans are too stupid to even know whats good for the team anyway.

PMC

July 12th, 2012
9:31 am

I don’t think the Falcons are thinking of Grimes as a long term player otherwise they could have paid him last season.

The least he’s going to take is around 7.5 a season I’d think + bonuses. It’s probably smarter buisiness to have him play under the Franchise tag this year for the Falcons and consider letting him walk or paying him next year.

PMC

July 12th, 2012
9:34 am

10 million is a fair amount for both sides this season give the excellent level of Grimes play, but I do feel bad for him a bit that he’s vastly out played his contracts in most seasons and he probably won’t get a huge payday other than this 10 million, but hey it’s still 10 million dollars.

He’s proven himself to be one of the better corners in the league and he’s not even 6 feet tall.

D. Orlando Ledbetter

July 12th, 2012
9:34 am

Chubb Rock — They could work some magic with the numbers. His number would be lowered from the $10.281 hit that’s on the books right now. They could spread the bonus out over the term of the deal. But there are a lot of guys coming up next year that they have to make decisions on. Without looking up the contracts, I know Baker and Moore are up. This will be Ryan’s fifth year on the initial six-year deal, so he’s in line for an extension next season. A lot of moving parts on Nick Polk’s desk right now.

PMC

July 12th, 2012
9:35 am

For the record, he gets all of the 10 million dollars under the franchise tag no matter what as long as he shows up for work.

SeenThisB4

July 12th, 2012
9:37 am

DLed: “$10 million apart on guaranteed money” indicates that they have agreed on the total amount, just need to agree on the adjectives regarding part of it. It’s all in perspective. You say “bungle”, I say “almost done!”

PMC

July 12th, 2012
9:40 am

Honestly, I’m not worried about Matt Ryan right now. He’s got a lot to prove this year and next year.

He’s got to prove he can win in the playoffs before we can say he’s worthy of the 100+ million he’s going to be asking for.

Baker is gone no matter what. Moore also is left with with a lot to prove. Can he stay healthy? Good player, but is he going to be available all the time?

PMC

July 12th, 2012
9:41 am

The Brees deal will be done by Monday but not before I don’t think. It would be inconceivable for that not to happen.

Bullseye

July 12th, 2012
9:42 am

SB4 already in with two comments. Man wakes up with nothing but Atlanta Falcons on his mind.

jay

July 12th, 2012
9:45 am

Don’t know why he flip-flopped? I’m sure it had nothing to do with the trade….

SeenThisB4

July 12th, 2012
9:46 am

@Bullseye: My two comments were regarding my team. Kinda blows a hole in your comment.

Bullseye

July 12th, 2012
9:51 am

B4…ON A FALCONS BLOG….idiot.

PMC

July 12th, 2012
9:57 am

I think with those comments last night Matt Stafford is the new peoples champion.

Brees was likeable but not really after this negociation. He’s shown himself to be quite the Dbag publically over the last year. It is what it is. Great QB, big time whiner.

mountain_jim

July 12th, 2012
10:09 am

Cutting a certain LT after he (likely) still shows little in Camp could add some cap room, right?

Chub Rock

July 12th, 2012
10:10 am

Yea D, Moore is definitely one they will want to secure IMO. Baker not so sure Lol. My comment about the approach to players was directed at those who say if Grimes sheds his knee then not giving him a long term deal was the right thing. Dumb logic and you can’t handle your business like that lol. You better draft perfect because FA’s won’t come to Atl with that wack approach. You get a reputation as an organization when you treat players a certain way. Most people look at 10 mill for 1 year and say heck I would do anything for that until you start to see what other guys at your level are making…leave your pay rate out of this equation LOL. If the Falcons don’t pay Grimes somebody else will. Asante is a great pickup but he ain’t no spring chicken now and Dunta well he’s Dunta, living the dream of big pay for little performance. Grimes is 28 yrs old and the best long term option this team has. I personally don’t know what Grimes is asking in terms of money so I won’t pretend on the blog.

just sayin'

July 12th, 2012
10:11 am

so, when an opposing player tries to get the money he deserves (for playing a game) he’s a ‘whiner’..but when a local player does the same, he’s ‘negotiating’….go figure..

Chub Rock

July 12th, 2012
10:11 am

Wow, post just got eaten? LOL. I’m out.

Chub Rock

July 12th, 2012
10:13 am

Nothing quite like typing up a long post then having it savaged be the AJC post eater.

SeenThisB4

July 12th, 2012
10:14 am

@Bullseye: I was responding directly, both times, to DLed, your blogger, who was talking about my team, ON A FALCONS BLOG! Get over it, you don’t own this blog, and your team doesn’t play just itself during the season.

Chub Rock

July 12th, 2012
10:16 am

Preciate you response D. Peace bruh.

bo joe ellis

July 12th, 2012
10:17 am

Pay the man..Show him the money…Hell no! Show him the door!

Bullseye

July 12th, 2012
10:19 am

No problem B4. I was only making a comment about you loving the Falcons so much from afar, that you are here first thing in the morning everyday. Keeping the love flowing like we’ve never seen B 4.

SeenThisB4

July 12th, 2012
10:20 am

I did notice that Brees didn’t thank the Saints during his acceptance speech last night at the ESPYS, he did thank all the players by name, some of the coaches, his fans, wife, kids and soon to arrive kid, and even the equipment managers, but not Benson or Loomis? LOL! He was getting long winded anyway. He also hung his head when the “special fund” was mentioned to get him signed. The team was part of the “Best Game” award; you all gotta admit, that was a helleva game!

Pop quiz: What team was never once mentioned last night? NOT ONCE?!

Seen (scandal) This (Taint the Saints) B4

July 12th, 2012
11:01 am

I missed the ESPYs…did Brees have anything to say about player safety? I remember how vocal he was against the proposed 18 game schedule. He must have used last night’s forum to similarly denounce the bounty program his former DC admitted to, since he (Brees) is such a big advocate of all players and an NFLPA Leader

This Gets Old

July 12th, 2012
11:04 am

Pop quiz: What team was never once mentioned last night? NOT ONCE?
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EVERYONE, please stop answering this troll. He comes here and tries to turn a Falcon blog into a Saints blog. If you guys want to talk Saints football then accompany him to a Saints blog. Everywhere we try and talk Falcon football Saints fans show up. They’re a borderline criminal organization. The team and its fans have no respect for the game, the rules of the game (and with their drug thefts, no respect for the rules of the nation) or for themselves. Let them go……to a Saints blog.

Painkillers, Bounties, Wire Tapping...my oh my

July 12th, 2012
11:09 am

Fair enough…I just hope that someday, in my lifetime, the Falcons win a Super Bowl. Then, the year after they win it, I hope their coach doesn’t get in trouble for stealing painkillers…and I hope they don’t lose to a below .500 team in the playoffs in the following season…and I hope they don’t lose yet again in the first game of the playoffs 2 seasons after winning it…and of course I really hope they don’t implement a bounty system, nor have a self-righteous and arrogant QB who won’t fess up to it…

Jeff B

July 12th, 2012
11:37 am

I say let’s sign Grimes to an extension. If anything, it gives us the freedom to let Dunta go in a year or two if he doesn’t impress.

Barry

July 12th, 2012
11:37 am

Hey Y”all:

I believe the Grimes camp is being fair in accepting the one year tender based on the fact Grimes injured his knee last year. Questions remain about can he play at the high level as he did before the injury. He has to prove that on the field then more money is coming. Grimes is great and I am looking forward to him playing with the same vigor and tenacity. And when he does, its “SHOW ME THE MONEY” time. This should be fun watching him show out getting there. SHOW OUT, GRIMES!! SHOW OUT, IN “ONE HEARTBEAT!!!”.

GO GRIMES!

GO FALCONS!

“FALCONS RISE UP!!” IN “ONE HEARTBEAT!!” THUMP!!!!

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………………….”ONE HEARTBEAT,BABY!!”……..

Rick

July 12th, 2012
11:45 am

Looks like you are just like the Aints management “Seen” making excuses as why YOUR Team will not pay the best player in the team and one of the best In the game. TRAGIC! Sounds to me like a hot pot of gumbo. Throw alot of stuff in it and say its good food. Like they doing the contract, throwing alot of stuff in and tell Drew its good for him. AINTS BLOW!

Chance

July 12th, 2012
11:51 am

Hey Dled if they make a deal with grimes wouldn’t it free up the 10 mil that he is getting with the tender? So they would have about 13 mill – whatever they pay him in the contract

SeenThisB4

July 12th, 2012
12:07 pm

@Rick: Brees is one of the best in the game. Glad you agree.

[...] D. Orlando Ledbetter said that as far as he could tell, all is quiet in contract talks with corner Brent Grimes. [Atlanta Journal-Constitution] [...]

JSS

July 12th, 2012
12:24 pm

@ Ledbetter…
Like I said to you when Grimes finally came up for an extension that the bargain he had been should have been accounted for… Here’s the problem, they whiffed badly on almost every other DB (Moore is a question because he must stay on the field)… That DeCoud deal is even more baffling in that light… However, they are stuck with it now… Grimes is a long-term investment, that balloon-payment (in essence, the raise) is just an extension of that point… He should have been locked up two years ago… The hard cap strikes again!

Bravesfan79

July 12th, 2012
12:26 pm

Grimes is one of my favorite players on the Falcons, and we need everyone to play with the same passion and reckless abandon that he plays with. The 10 mill/ 1 year deal is great for him, and he was smart to sign it and not drag it out like a pre-madonna would do like Dwight Howard.

Big Ray

July 12th, 2012
12:26 pm

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/new-orleans-saints-drew-brees-apart-on-guaranteed-money-071112

Running out of time……and that’s why you’re talking so much about it.

JSS

July 12th, 2012
12:29 pm

Ha ha, you people crack me up calling Seen This Before 4 a “troll!” You fools go from blog to blog calling him out… Then you try to say “he’s the problem.” You live for this… Laughs keep coming, and the lies keep flowing! This blog is like the Nixon White House, y’all and your “Enemies List!” Scary stuff!

[...] D. Orlando Ledbetter said that as far as he could tell, all is quiet in contract talks with corner Brent Grimes. [Atlanta Journal-Constitution] [...]

[...] D. Orlando Ledbetter said that as far as he could tell, all is quiet in contract talks with corner Brent Grimes. [Atlanta Journal-Constitution] [...]

Bucky Badger

July 12th, 2012
12:36 pm

Biking & Golfing, sounds like Falcons Management is really concerned about the status of their Team. The Falcons are “Business as Usual” while the lowly Aints are Crashing & Burning! Thanks DOL for the read. Seen/Hiram = Lowlifes!

Rick

July 12th, 2012
12:38 pm

Not the best that title belongs to Aaron Rodgers (as stated by ESPN Top quarterbacks and I agree) Brees is second best and I dont have a problem saying it. I give props where they are due, not like you woeful AINT fans. But as I see you dont address the real issue! That being, an unhappy QB who is being treated like a sucker. Come on AINTS. hehehehehe. Like I said spent to much on the bounty money and you dont want to pay the man. Here is the kicker! Becasue you did not pay him when you were supposed to you have to really pay him now which means that you guys will be looking at more cuts by next year which will deplete this team even worse, which means get your paper bags!!!! Not good having one of the best if he does not have weapons around him. And to that I am gone!