NFL COMBINE: Tech’s Stephen Hill runs 40 in 4.3 seconds

Rick……I can’t agree more about Washington. Is Vlad Lee still on the roster?

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WnE (is that short for Whinee?) – If you are so bloody brilliant, why aren’t you a head coach at a BCS school? Just curious……

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Who gave Stephen Hill SEC Speed? He can’t be that fast unless he plays for an SEC team.

(sarcasm, kids. Go Jackets!)

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That may be true for qbs , but what about his inability to recruit or develop RBs and WR .
Given the fact that PJ recruits 4 and 5 star players for these positions and they don’t sign with him.
He’s put a lot of offers out for better players and hasn’t signed any of them. His offense isn’t a good fit in the BCS world. You can throw all the rushing yards etc out you want but the majority of his success was with another coaches recruits and against weaker teams. Pj was a very good d1aa coach, but his inexperience shows against the better teams and in recruiting.The only team that out recruits PJ that doesn’t beat him on a regular basis is Clemson. Justin thomas obviously isn’t concerned with playing on the next level, he would have been wiser listen to Saban and the other who recruited him as a DB or WR.

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Marlon Brown, played behind AJ green his freshman and sophomore years and had injury problems last year. Given the depth Georgia has at receiver he not been rushed into playing time.Marlon will be very good again this year if he can stay healthy. Tech has nowhere near the talent nor depth Georgia has at WR, though Pj wanted JSWesley and Chris Conley very badly recruited them hard. Settled for lesser players as usual.Wne may not be right about everything but coaching of WR is much better at UGA.

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Let me tell you some facts… S Hill was never offered by Uga until the last minute, after they missed out on someone else. D. Thomas was recruited by Uga as a TE,. not a WR, (just like Cam Newton was) NOBODY wastes 4 and 5 Star talent like Uga

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Wastes 5 star talent? D Thomas would’ve been moved to a WR, in his 11 years richt?Georgia has 3 bcs bowls 2 bcs wins,6 top 10 finishes , 2nd most wins in SEC, 4 division and 2 SEC titles finished 2nd in country twice .Tied with LSU for most top 25 finishes 9. Your are correct Hill was offered last minute by UGA but only as a backup if Marlon Brown had decide to go to USC or Tennessee,Ohio state or Oklahoma rthe other schools that were offering.
twice. Please elaborate what 5 star talent has been a bust at Uga, Caleb King 4 star ?stayed injured had a learning disability and never matured. AJ Greeen, Matt Stafford? Knowshon Moreno,? There has been 1 that didn’t make to NFL and that was M Elmore from 2002. Common tech myth, Cam wasn’t going to come to UGA with Stafford already there, and UGA wasn’t the only school that thought he would grow out of the position.And what good would it have done he would’ve been thrown out at Georgia faster than he was UF.Have there been some misses in recruitng yes but everyone has them. Seem to do just fine 10-1 vs Tech and winning record vs every SEC team not named Florida.
Perhaps you should talk trash to a team like Duke that tech beats with some consistency. Georgia has accomplished more in 11 years than tech has the past 47.as far as 4 star talent look at the number of players in the NFL. Do you even have a clue as to how players are rated?

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The Stephen Hill situation should serve as a prime example as to why NO outstanding offensive prospect should sign with GT. Offensive linemen are taught to block illegally, with their heads down diving at knees and ankles, never pass blocking; running backs have no idea how to follow blocking or pass block; TEs are non factors, as are WRs. Fish Fry’s offense is a joke, and the GT program continues to decline. The only thing saving Fish Fry is playing in the pitiful ACC coupled with the games against FCS programs. Interesting how GT cancelled Middle Tenn the Sat following the VT game for another Jax St, Gardner-Webb type, do the Mighty Blue Raiders pose ‘that’ much of a threat?

Yep, I’m guessing this evening Stephen Hill regrets declining that late offer from Georgia. No doubt he would have a much higher draft status coming out of that offense, and a few more million dollars to look forward to banking.

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The more passes you catch, the more they’ll throw you…

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So WnE which is it? Can CPJ not recruit top talent or can he not fully utilize top talent? I guess I could just repeatedly try to change my argument and attempt to make myself look smart, but I would fail and look as stupid as you do right now. The experts put Hill as an average WR out of high school and you agreed, they said he was a late round pick and should have stayed and you agreed, now after a good pro day he is all world, by some, and you agree. Hill dropped several wide open passes and you blasted him and blamed CPJ for not being able to recruit top talent. Sitting here and arguing that Hill was not utilized properly is stupid. Almost all other coaches would have benched Hill for all those dropped passes and played somebody else. CPJ always spoke highly of Hill and gave him multiple chances to be a game changer. Some Hill shined in and some he looked God awful. By the way in 09 Hill and Thomas lined up oppisite each other often. Way to once again show how stupid you really are.
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Stephen Hill was a 4* Recruit coming out of HS, I think that constitutes being above AVERAGE,and when you add in the size, and the Track Numbers 25 foot long jump to go along with a 41 inch vertical, there was nothing AVERAGE about him coming out of HS.

This is what makes GT fans look like CPJ sycophants, they lie a downgrade recruits to make it seem like CPJ should get all the credit and the Recruit/player should get NONE.

Back when Hill signed with GT I was one of the few GT Fans to admit that while this was good for GT, it would end up being BAD for him & his family because CPJ would cost him money in the NFL draft due to GT’s gimmicky Offense.

Here we are a short 3 yr.s later amd Ol Wrecks was correct once again.

I even mentioned how CPJ had hoodwinked Hill & his father with promises of opening up the Offense, and yet during Hill’s Jr. yr. GT only attempted about 13 passes per game.

I never said Hill was a late Round draft pick.

What I did say was the reason Hill & his father decided to leave GT is because they KNEW they’d be better off learning on the job in the NFL and trying to get drafted off of his combine performance rather than come back to GT for more “jump ball passes” & “smoke routes” that don’t get you ready for the NFL.

My comments have been very consistent and can be easily found on various AJC Sports Blogs.

What you have attributed to me is false.

I did say that Hill & Bay-Bay lined up opposite of each other HALF-WAY through the season since Hill was BEHIND Bay-Bay on many of the early season depth charts, and many GT fans (not just me) were wondering WHY CPJ had his 2 best WRs at the same position rather than opposite of each other.

So after FIVE Recruiting classes CPJ has brought in:

ONE WR — Hill

ONE OL — Uzzi

ZERO B-Backs

ZERO QBs

ONE CB — Lou Young an Academic reject from Stanford at the last minute

ZERO Safeties

ONE AB — Orwin Smith

ZERO pass blocking OLs

ZERO pass RUSHING DLs

ONE “decent LB” – Attachou last second flip from Md. due to CAG

Now that I think of it, WHAT HAS CPJ DONE RECRUITING-WISE that is worth mention?

That’s a LOT of sparse Recruiting for CPJ to get so much love from the GT fanbase!

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I don’t understand all of the anger towards the “antiquated” offense Tech runs.

Tech was 21st in the nation in PPG, and 18th in yards per game. Who cares if these were through the air, or on the ground? The offense works.

Also, the NFL doesn’t care a whole lot about systems played in other than with QB. Talent is talent, no matter if you’re in a Run N’ Shoot, Spread Option, Wishbone, Triple Option, “Pro Style”, whatever.

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I don’t understand all of the anger towards the “antiquated” offense Tech runs.

Tech was 21st in the nation in PPG, and 18th in yards per game. Who cares if these were through the air, or on the ground? The offense works.

Also, the NFL doesn’t care a whole lot about systems played in other than with QB. Talent is talent, no matter if you’re in a Run N’ Shoot, Spread Option, Wishbone, Triple Option, “Pro Style”, whatever.
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The NFL does care what system you played in in College, becasue in MANY CASES that will determine how quickly a rookie can get on the field & contribute, this is especially TRUE on Offense at all positions.

This is one reason that Andrew Luck is so highly thought of, the System he played in under Harbaugh at Stanford was a pure NFL Pro Style Offense sans the typical gimmicks that most colleges run.

Another example is the Manning boys that played under Cutcliff, one at UT and the other at Ole Miss when Cutcliff was the HC, when you combine talent with the right system (Pro-Style), those additional 3-4 yrs. of Pro-Style Resp at the College Level will get you ready for the NFL.

Matt Barkely at USCw, Mark Sanchez at USCw, and Matt Ryan from BC , and Andy Dalton from TCU are a few recent College QBs that fall into this category.

The more RESP that you haveon FILM doing NFL style stuff on Offense will give you the TIE-BREAKER to NFL SCOUTS & GMs.

Example:

If there are 2 guys exactly like S. Hill that are 6-4 215lbs. that are of equal strength, and of equal speed & agility, the one that played WR in the PRO-STYLE OFFENSE will get drafted higher 99% of the time assuming the character issues are equal.

This is the way the NFL handles its business, and the excuse-making for CPJ won’t change this FACT!

BTW the Offense doesn’t work vs. GOOD TEAMS; GT & Coach Fish Fry are 1-11 in the last 2 seasons vs. Top-50 defenses, basically CPJ & GT have been getting fat on very weak Teams, anther FACT that GT Fans refuse to accept.

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4.3 40 JUST MEANS HE WILL BE DRAFTED BY THE RAIDERS!

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Catching the ball is also important.

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I guess all u bitter Tech fans have never been to a Tech practice…..WR spend 95% of practice blocking or working on blocking skills…..If you know how to manual stick car but only drive it once a month do you thing you will be a great driver……….. Believe me he will make it in the league and be successful….HIs work ethic and drive will not let him fail

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WnE,

You are an idiot, Hill can run a 3.3, but he has to CATCH the ball.
I have never seen a guy choke in games like Hill. He has dropped more catchable passes than anyone I have ever seen at Tech.
Good luck to Hill, but I hope he has no contact with a jock sniffer like you.
This new guy from Adel, Henry, played wide receiver and linebacker in high school. I hope Hill does well in the pros if he makes a team, but he did not prove anything in college except that he could drop sure touchdown passes.
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CPJ spends 16 of his NCAA allowed 20 hrs per week practice time working on his gimmicky Triple-SLOPtion offense, with such little time left over to work on the PASSING GAME it is no wonder WRs like Hill don’t look polished in Game under pressure situations, this DECISION by coach Fish Fry hurts both the QBs & the WRs.

To prove it isn’t just the WRs, the B-backs out of the backfield AND the A-backs also look lost in the passing game, and you can throw O-Line also.

If the QBs, and the B-backs, AND the A-Backs, and the WRs, AND the O-line all look lost in the passing then that means that THE HC and the way he runs his practices are to BLAME.

CPJ is the problem, and the fact that S.Hill and his father BOLTED from GT after on 28 catches and chose to gamble on the NFL combine just shows how little FAITH that GT’s own players have in CPJ’s ability to put together a decent passing game.

Remember Bay-Bay bolted also with one yr. left after an ACC-CG with a chance to make a run at a MNC had those 4 juniors came back to GT.

GT’s own players jump ship at the first possible chance, how much confidence does that show in coach Kung Fu Panda?

BTW ,the new WR Travin Henry is not a 25 foot long jumper out of HS and not a 41 in vertical leap guy, his raw athleticism is nowhere near what S.Hill a 4* Recruit was coming out of HS.

GT fans need to learn there is a difference between DEPTH and just names on a roster.

Just because GT remaining WRs are big, that doesn’t make them future NFL guys.

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Please take note at what many GT fans said one-month ago when Hill Decided to leave GT:

http://www.stingtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61741

For full disclosure this is one of the many GT themed message boards that have banned me for being honest about GT FB under Coach Kung Fu Panda.

Notice the VITRIOL directed at Hill for leaving Coach Fish Fry’s gimmicky crappy triple-SLOPtion Offense.

GT fans don’t realize this, but this is WHY GT has such a hard time Recruiting, their fanbase is so smarmy, smug, and judgmental towards SAs and Recruits.

Basically GT’s Fans are the FB Program’s own worst enemy!

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From the NFL’s own website that tracks the players at the combine, their write up on S. Hhill :
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Overview

Hill is an early-entry junior receiver out of Georgia Tech who started consistently for the past two years and was the sole deep threat in a run-first offense. He has great length and an outstanding catch radius, which along with his speed makes him a serious deep-threat option in the NFL. He has a thin frame and will be hurt by the fact that he ran a very basic route tree at Georgia Tech, and teams won’t be able to utilize him for much more than go routes at this point in his career. He is a splash player who was No. 1 in the nation in yards per catch; he has fourth-round value based off his all-around body of work but could impress a team with his size and speed enough to ascend significantly throughout the pre-draft process. If the rest of his game can catch up to the ability he shows in the deep passing game, Hill could be the sleeper of this year’s draft.

Weaknesses

Hill’s value is based purely off his ability as a deep threat. He has average quickness and moves off the line of scrimmage to avoid a jam. He ran a very basic route tree at Georgia Tech that didn’t allow him to showcase many skills. Outside of catching jump balls, he struggles to read coverages and understand how to find holes in a zone. Hill looks uncomfortable with the ball in his hands and resembles a lengthy track star on the field instead of a football player. He dropped as many big balls as he made big plays; his YPC stat defines him perfectly as a player who is capable of making flash plays but isn’t reliable.
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These comments about S. Hill have nothing to do with anything the PLAYER did wrong, they have EVERYTHING to do with CPJ’s crappy system.

All of Hill’s weaknesses are CPJ’s fault and not his fault, he wasn’t taught and developed as a complete WR in CAP’s offense.

Amazing how the NFL experts say the exact same thing that I am saying, yet none of the GT Fans will lay any blame at the feet of CPJ.

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Calvin Johnson, Bebe Thomas, Steven Hill.

Georgia Tech is becoming big/fast Wide Receiver U.

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Where are all of you naysayers now who had plenty to say when this man made the decision to leave Tech!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Speak up!!!!!!!!!!!!! i don’t hear you!!!!!!!!!!!! Better yet, crawl back up under the rock you came from and find someone else to hate on because your dreams didn’t come true!!!!!!!!! Way to go FAMILY!!!!!!!!!!!! The people who count have and always will believe in you!!!!!!!!!! The mistake would have been going back to a school who has wasted your talent from day one!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now continue to impress as you have, sign your contract, go back to school and finish your degree and tell the naysayers to watch you play on SUNDAYS!!!!!!!!!!! Спортивное питание

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I don’t think the bitter fans here are Tech fans. Rather, I think most of them are UGA fans trying to stir things up. None of the UGA fans want to see SHill succeed, because the realize that UGA can’t use that as negative recruiting like they have been doing. I am a GT fan who wishes SHill would have come back and had a Demaryus Thomas type of season and gotten drafted as one of the top 2 or 3 WR next year. However, I can’t begrudge the guy for leaving a year early when he’s going to get drafted close to that this year (probably top 5 WR).

As for WnE…. you have lost all credibility. You told a LIE about Marlon Brown and Stephen Hill earlier in this comment section. You said that Stephen Hill was recruited by UGA before Marlon Brown and that UGA settled on Marlon after Stephen Hill spurned them, which IS NOT TRUE!!!! I want everyone to know these things when they read your comments. You make stuff up to fit your opinion. Keep spouting your drivel, so I can catch you in another lie.

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coach13
February 27th, 2012
10:46 am

WnE- I’m a UGA fan and I don’t make a habit of defending rival coaches. That being said, Hill knew that TEch was option team when he committed. If he wanted to run routes and catch the ball he should’ve gone to just about any other school in the country. It’s not CPJ’s or any other coach’s job to run a playbook in order to prepare kids for the NFL.

If anyone is to blame it’s Hill. He runs a 4.3 and he committs to an option offense????
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CPJ is not completely honest with these Recruits and their parents.

He pops in 25-30 yr.old tapes of Hawaii passing 30 times a game in the WAC, and then he promises these Recruits that he’s gonna “open up the Offense” if only they’ll sign and give him the right recruits, and then after they get to GT, he continues to pass less than 14 times per game and only throws Jump-balls to the WRs and “smoke-routes”.

He can get away with this because the NCAA punishes the players by making them sit -out 1 yr. if they choose to transfer.

HS recruits nowadays aren’t stupid, they’re being mislead with promises of opening up the offense and then CPJ keeps running his triple-option knowing that the NCAA punishes the player and he won’t able to transfer to any ACC school.

The real story will come out eventually, and an insider that knows Hill will come out eventually and confirm what I have said.

GT fans don’t want to admit that CPJ ain’t as upstanding in the Recruiting process as he makes it seems especially when it comes to Recruiting offensive players.

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As for WnE…. you have lost all credibility. You told a LIE about Marlon Brown and Stephen Hill earlier in this comment section. You said that Stephen Hill was recruited by UGA before Marlon Brown and that UGA settled on Marlon after Stephen Hill spurned them, which IS NOT TRUE!!!! I want everyone to know these things when they read your comments. You make stuff up to fit your opinion. Keep spouting your drivel, so I can catch you in another lie.
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The TRUTH is, is that after Hill de-committed from UCF; CMR wanted him and told him that he would take ONE MORE WR, and the first guy to commit would get the scholly.

This mean that if Hill had taken CMR up on his offer then he would have had that scholly that went to Marlon Brown that didn’t commit until later.

Eschewing TEChnicalities, this means that CMR had them graded out at least as equals and would have been just as happy had Hill committed to UGA first.

Hill fell for CPJ’s shady recruiting spiel and the rest is history.

In summary, AFTER Hill had de-committed from UCF he had an equal shot to get that last WR scholly that went to Brown that decided much later and very close to NSD.

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Tell us, WnE, what did Johnson lie to him about? I’m all ears.

Note: PROVIDE PROOF

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