Ovie Mughelli takes a tour of the Gulf Coast oil spill
Falcons fullback Ovie Mughelli took a tour of the Gulf Coast oil spill today. (Bob Andres / bandres@ajc.com)
BIRDLAND — Falcons fullback Ovie Mughelli, the team’s environmentally savvy activist, slipped behind enemy lines as part of a delegation of professional athletes to visit the Gulf Coast to explore the oil spill today.
Deep in the heart of New Orleans Saints territory, the boat Mughelli was on left from Myrtle Grove, Louisiana.
The group took a tour of the damage caused by the spill.
“On the whole boat ride you could see the booms trying to protect the coast, the wetlands and the marsh, but they weren’t doing the job,” Mughelli said via phone. “It wasn’t working 100 percent. There was still oil in the marsh. You can see where the oil had got into the pits of the marsh and devastated it. You could already see the process of where it was eroding the soil.”
Mughelli knows there are more environmental problems than what he could see from the boat.
Race car driver Leilani Munter.
“There is so much more going on underneath and that’s the scarier part,” Mughelli said. “There is twice as much going on underneath the water. There is more than what we can do with the resources that we have right now. It was a little disconcerting.”
Mughelli hopes to stress the connection between sports, health and a clean environment and why a full clean up could lead to more clean and renewable energy.
“I’m thrilled with the chance to come out here and see what’s going on first hand,” Mughelli said. “One of the most important things that you can do as an athlete is to make sure that other athletes, young and old, have a chance to do what we are doing, have clean water, have clean air, have clean beaches if you want to run on them to train. If we are supposed to be the responsible adults I feel like we are not doing our job right now. I’m very disappointed to see what we are leaving behind for the next generation to clean up.”
Other athletes on the tour included ex-NHL goalie Mike Richter, ex-Tampa Bay running back MikeAlstott, NHL player Andrew Ference, X game snowboarder Krista Bradford Ference, ARCA/NASCAR driver Leilani Munter, Olympic skier Stacy Cook, Olympic hammer thrower Loree Smith, Olympic race walker Gary Morgan and tennis star Chanda Rubin.
“This is not a (President Barack) Obama’s problem,” Richter said. “This is not a (British Petroleum) problem. This is everybody’s problem.”
Mughelli has been busy this offseason doing environment-friendly activities through his foundation. In addition to camps in Atlanta and his hometown of Charleston, he helped with a green event on Tybee Island.
The motto of Mughelli’s foundation is “our future is green.”
“I wish I could do more personally, but all I can do is spread awareness, help bring resources to the problem and hope that it is a wake-up call for us to move toward renewable energy, move away from oil and do right by our kids,” Mughelli said.
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July 13th, 2010
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tryin’ to rub elbows with the big boys on the saints squad!
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July 13th, 2010
5:37 pm
Ovie has his priorities right! That’s the kind of example our Falcons need to be setting-
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Jen
July 14th, 2010
4:59 am
You rock Ovie!
Nice to see pro athletes wanting to help the enviroment, a cause that often goes overlooked, with the exception of this catastrphe.
Glad to see you do this al the time.with your foundation…props.
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Gray
July 14th, 2010
8:34 am
Here’s to the CEO, the chairman, and the spokesman of BP:
Three liars in white shirts
Black oil spill still streaming
Thirteen weeks of hurts
Never stopped me dreaming
BP’s going broke
it’s going broke
it’s going
BP’s going broke!
(melody: “Three Lions”, the hymn of the English soccer team)
florida falcon
July 14th, 2010
8:59 am
Kudos to Ovie, we got hit here in Pensacola too. Can’t wait for this nightmare to end!
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Joe Tess Fish House
July 14th, 2010
10:45 am
I dont care what Oggling Mugglie does as long as he does not hang out with those filthy saints. He will come back smelling bad and will want to cheat all the time.
SeenThisB4
July 14th, 2010
11:39 am
@Joe Tess:
Filthy Saints? Smelling bad and wanting to cheat. Really? Are you sure it’s not Joe Tess Fish House that smells bad?
truth
July 14th, 2010
11:55 am
Way to go Joe Tess……..you just offended filthy by associating it with the saints.
waynester
July 14th, 2010
12:17 pm
Saints fans can protest ’til the cows come home but their team’s play last season was as dirty as it comes.
The attitude starts at the top with their coaching staff cheating and stealing pain pills to augment their bad habits.
No justice will be forthcoming on either front–the NFL wants to cover up the scandal as quickly and quietly as possible and their “head” coach’s book is a joke and a fraud. They need to clean up their act just as badly as they need to clean up their stinking city. The League knows that the Saints are as befouled as the La. coastline, but will abet the lawlessness just to save face….
No punches pulled here!
P.S.
Good on ya Ovie!
truth
July 14th, 2010
12:21 pm
Hiram……….waynester just smacked your bandwagon butt. What pointless come back are you gonna spew on the board?
waynester
July 14th, 2010
1:16 pm
If you have a weak stomach avoid tonight’s “ESPY’s” award circus. The sports network has been on NO’s collective jocks since that Monday night game when they reopened the Superdome against us a few years back and tonight I predict the bogus love-fest will continue. The NFL has plenty to be ashamed of but nothing more egregious than the on-going cover-up of prescription drug theft/use by key members of the NO coaching staff PRIOR to last year’s Superbowl run, with the complete knowledge of the NFL. They allowed a veteran FBI agent to be pilloried in the national media for months–after that same agent tried his damnedest to get the Saints to deal with the matter privately–they opted for a smear campaign to attempt to deflect attention from the CRIMES commited by coaches Peyton and Vitt–crimes captured on video by agent Santini. I fully expect the Saints to sweep the ESPY’s, further demonstrating the enabling of criminal behaviour by ESPN and the self-serving abetting of lawbreaking by the NFL to protect their “feel-good” franchise.
Now, put that in your pipe and smoke it, Saints fans….
Joe Tess Fish House
July 14th, 2010
1:41 pm
Don’t make fun of Joe Tess. It’s way better than any garbage oyster sandwich from New Orleans.
Calvin G. Sims, Sr.
July 14th, 2010
1:55 pm
I have said it before and it is worth saying again, Never before have we had players with such character as now. From the front office to the practice squad and all points in between, I have never been more excited about a Falcons TEAM. And that does not even begin to describe my excitement about the talent.
Go Falcons!!!
hiramsaint
July 14th, 2010
1:58 pm
wow-y’all sure are sensative about getting smacked around by the saints for the last 4 years.what does matty slush use to sooth his sensative skin. maybe you should try that or diaper rash medicine. y’all should have some cheese to go along with your whine!
Calvin G. Sims, Sr.
July 14th, 2010
2:01 pm
hiramsaint, Joe Tess Fish House & waynester – You have chosen, once again, to use this forum for your shameless love fest. Once again I say, I plead -Please get a room!
Go Falcons!!!
hiramsaint
July 14th, 2010
2:08 pm
nacalvin , i’m just pokin’ a little fun at the hapless falcons
waynester
July 14th, 2010
2:13 pm
I note that the Saints fan posting on here failed to address the FACTS outlined in my above posts, choosing instead to launch ad hominem attacks on Falcon fans in general rather than facing the truth. I am not surprised in the least, as not even the League is willing to honestly ‘fess up. The NFL has no problem enforcing it’s substance use policy except when it runs contrary to their P.R. needs. The drug thefts by Vitt and Peyton were known prior to last season and covered up to protect the NFL’s feel-good(REAL good in the case of these coaches) story line and Truth be damned….
I expect fans to make excuses for their teams/personnel (like a few Vick lovers on here) but not the League/Commish. To paraphrase a slogan from the ‘Nam era–let’s “destroy the League in order to save the NO franchise”…..
hiramsaint
July 14th, 2010
2:24 pm
well written- i think i need a hanky
hiramsaint
July 14th, 2010
2:24 pm
p.s i never tied to add no homos!!!
waynester
July 14th, 2010
2:29 pm
Ignorance is curable but stupidity is forever, hiramsaint, as you continue to demonstrate…..
hiramsaint
July 14th, 2010
2:33 pm
c’mon- now that was pretty funny
hiramsaint
July 14th, 2010
2:53 pm
waynster- he was not an fbi agent , rather an X-fbi agent turned rent-a-cop looking to extort money only after the SUPERBOWL 44 win. the alleged incident happened the year before and was only chased after the prospect of some money to be made was discovered. the video is of two people, one thought to be vitt, but not clear enough to tell. the other is indistiguishable. the coaches denied and with no real proof and the only outcome for santini to be charged and liable for slander and possible imprisonment, he opted for arbitration to avoid a possible prison sentence. thats the story but you won’t find that in any atlanta news source for they have nothing to gain by presenting the facts
SeenThisB4
July 14th, 2010
2:58 pm
waynester: Could you please clairfy and substantiate, assuming you can, what the league (the Commish) knew and when did they know it? Cause I think your mixing up timelines dramatically just to justify your senseless (or is it jealous?) rant.
hiramsaint
July 14th, 2010
2:59 pm
p.s. now can we please get back to dinkin’ and dunkin’? i find bantering with you falcons fans to be relaxing and much more enjoyable than squabbling over some pills or babs smokin’ a doob or mike smith taken a cheap swing at a player or your linebacker gettin’ suspended or roddy white runnin’ with thugsor matty slush saying he’s gonna win 13 games this year. lets keep it light , fun and non-abrasive
hiramsaint
July 14th, 2010
3:01 pm
where yat seen thisb4? i tell you – these people can make this seem like a full time job.
SeenThisB4
July 14th, 2010
3:03 pm
@hiramsaint: waynester is a fantasizer of monumental proportions. The only valid statement in his post was his expectation that the Saints will sweep the ESPYs, and I guess his admission that he has a weak stomach! LOL!
hiramsaint
July 14th, 2010
3:07 pm
uoch man- i usually try to wait ’till night to get real mid-evil but you don’t waste no time. where ya’ from? me metairie but imprisoned here for awhile
SeenThisB4
July 14th, 2010
3:09 pm
@hiramsaint: I’m at home in the 70130. How’s it going for you?
Joe Tess Fish House got me hungry for an oyster po-boy dressed, but those are tough to get these days with all the oyster beds closed. Surprisingly there’s still plenty of Shrimp and Blue Crab around.
hiramsaint
July 14th, 2010
3:16 pm
you ain’t right –they put red pepper on anything here and tell you it’s cajun- what a joke . even the AUTHENTIC louisiana restaurants aren’t very good. now i want a po’boy. when i’m down there i go to zuppardos on veterans. my mommas been makin groceries there since i was a kid[ many many years]. anyway , hope the fed. gov. gets off it’s a$$ and lets bp put that cap on but then the gov. really doesn’t want that to happen
SeenThisB4
July 14th, 2010
3:23 pm
Yeah, there’s nothing like the home cuisine.
That stubborn well has been doing nothing but laughing at BP! Kinda reminds me of the falcants trying to stop the Saints offense.
hiramsaint
July 14th, 2010
3:29 pm
it’ll be 9 of 10 after this season. usually i gotta handle them by myself but when two of us get on here, they fly away like little birdies- i mean falcons
NO Fans Go Home
July 14th, 2010
3:33 pm
It’s amazing how NO fans have to come onto a Falcons blog to feel better about themselves. Compensating for something.
FYI, Falcons fans had to fly away, see, we have these things called jobs and can’t stay on a blog all day to post over and over.
That’s all I’m going to say, I’m tired of you NO fools. You can talk all day if you want, I’ll wait for the season to roll around.
SeenThisB4
July 14th, 2010
3:43 pm
@NO Fans Go Home: Is that you again Helen Thomas? LOL!
Could have sworn that DOL story was about Ovie-mughelli going deep behind enemy lines! My mistake….no wait, YOUR MISTAKE.
hiramsaint
July 14th, 2010
3:47 pm
helens not gonna say any more boo- hoo. anyway thanks for letting us talk all day now get back to work before the boss man whups ya’
hiramsaint
July 14th, 2010
3:48 pm
if you don’t know what a whuppin is just ask your team what the saints been doin’ to ‘em for the last 4 years
waynester
July 14th, 2010
3:58 pm
DLed
Is there a reason my numerous responses to hiramsaint and B4 aren’t being posted? I’m not engaging in any incivility, simply stating facts. My beef with the NFL and ESPN is legitimate and rooted in a desire for truth to prevail. What’s up????
SeenThisB4
July 14th, 2010
4:09 pm
“Allegations” do not equal “simply stating facts”.
waynester
July 14th, 2010
4:15 pm
hiramsaint and B4
3rd try posting this:
My source is NOLA.com, the Saints hometown paper (hardly biased against the Saints). Your (and Saints mgmt’s) attempts to paint an highly-decorated career FBI agent as a mere “rent-a-cop” is totally disingenuous. The team hired him to do exactly what he tried to do–root out wrongdoing in a franchise plagued with scandals. Instead, team mgmt attempted to smear an honorable man who tried to get the team to deal with the situation quietly (and legally) in order to protect Vitt and Peyton–and the NFL went along to protect their PR efforts to paint NO as the “feel-good” sports story ESPN is continually promoting, including tonight’s ESPY’s. The only “fantasizing” I’m engaging in is that the NFL would do the right thing, rather than what’s expedient….
SeenThisB4
July 14th, 2010
4:35 pm
Waynester: Think about what you’re saying. If you’re getting your information from NOLA.com, (an INTERNET WEBSITE of a local newspaper) then you are admitting to knowing nothing but hearsay. Let me say it again, NOTHING BUT HEARSAY. This bozo, was not hired to root out wrongdoing in the franchise. He was hired to provide security for the team, not to attempt to blackmail his own employer.
He chose to quit last summer, when the team decided not to pursue his recommendations. Then, after the Saints win the Superbowl he sues the team publically with the “allegation” of being forced out by a hostile environment! Yeah, uh-huh. Sure, sure, anything he says! An X-FBI, gun carrying Security professional, forced out by a hostile environment? Or more realistically, by the alterior motive of greed?
And of course, you as an opposing fan will eat up every word of this bozo’s allegation because, 1) Your jealous, 2) Your envious, and 3) Your malicious.
And you want the NFL to do the right thing?! Which would be what? Lemme guess, take the Lombardi Trophy from the Saints and award it to the falcants! Would that make you feel better?
hiramsaint
July 14th, 2010
4:41 pm
you gotta finish the story and tell ALL of the story if you want anyone who knows about the story to give you any credibility. you have left out some major parts like santini trying to EXTORT major amounts of money to not tell his ALLEGED story. it’s a non issue in arbitration. if it were more than that as you claim- goodell would be way more involved. one more thing- we won the superbowl
hiramsaint
July 14th, 2010
4:44 pm
waynster is feeling bitter about last season way to long- i believe he should move on to more relevant issues like whats gonna happen to smitty and matty slush when the post-season eludes the falcants AGAIN this year
waynester
July 14th, 2010
5:20 pm
I am upset, but not in the way you think.
Last season played out the way it did and no one can take that away from NO. My point(since you keep missing it) is that the NFL KNEW what happened over a YEAR AGO and failed to act. The League is more than happy to punish a Charles Grant or Mike Vick to give an appearance of being “tough” but not to take action against a franchise they’re desperately trying to hype to prevent their loss to another city and show them in a positive light.
Even Loomis said that he hired the 31-year veteran agent not as a “rent-a-cop” but in response to the numerous scandals the team was facing 5 years ago, before Peyton came on board. Up until he blew the whistle on FELONY drug theft (after trying repeatedly to get Loomis to act in the best interest of the franchise) he was credited with the turn-around in team security. Why some fans insist on blaming the messenger–only you can answer. By the way, he only sought lost wages, not an example of “extortion” by any measure. Funny how all of a sudden, when it suits your purposes, do you call the Times/Picayune a “local website”, when it’s a centuries-old newspaper with nation-wide circulation. You keep shooting at the messenger(Santini, and now me)because the truth is so repellant. MY point(again) is that if the national sports media had given this story the coverage that the NO press has, the NFL would have been forced to take prompt, appropriate action against Vitt, Peyton, Loomis and perhaps even the trainer for clear violation of league rules…..
hiramsaint
July 14th, 2010
5:30 pm
AGAIN waynster- these are only ALLEGATIONS and no PROOF has been presented. guilty untill proven innocent must be your motto. let the arbitrators figure it out and i’ll have them give you a call so you can pass judgement then. think about it -if santini had such a concrete case why did he agree to arbitration and was his salary 2 mill.?- it’s not rocket science though to you it seems like it is
waynester
July 14th, 2010
5:40 pm
The standard for NFL employees is MUCH higher that that for ordinary citizens in similar circumstances. You can continue willfully disregarding everything that has come to light throughout this investigation as is your right, but don’t expect the rest of the football world to go along. I expect the team and it’s fans to behave exactly the way you are but not the League. They have a responsibility to the rest of the clubs in the country to at least attempt to get to the bottom of this felonious behavior. To date, they have not….
hiramsaint
July 14th, 2010
6:15 pm
what happened to smitty when he took a cheap swing at hall last year? where i work that would have been grounds for dismissal so don’t try to be the all knowing prognosticator of football justice. when the arbitration is over and the facts have been considered and the truth comes out we’ll know . right niether you or i know all the facts of the case so in the american way of justice i say innocent UNTILL proven guilty and so should you
SeenThisB4
July 14th, 2010
6:34 pm
Waynester: The league did not know anything about it a year ago. They were notified of the allegations, in March of 2010. And DEA and FBI know about it, but last I heard, they haven’t done anything with it. Hmmmm, I wonder why?
hiramsaint
July 14th, 2010
6:42 pm
he’s just bitter about the owning of the falcons by the saints for the last 4 years and like all falcons fans cannot accept the fact that their team wasn’t good enough. instead they use any excuse they can muster like refs, turf, bye weeks , away games, and the most famous 2 week magically healing phantom turf toe
SeenThisB4
July 14th, 2010
6:48 pm
And you know what Waynester? NOLA.com, AJC.com and every other news media outlet in the country, including all the major television networks were all reporting, just a few weeks ago, that BP was claiming only 1000 barrels of oil were leaking in the gulf, then it was only 5000 barrels oil were leaking every day. And yeah, they had video too. Where does that figure stand today?
Bottom line: Just cuz it’s reported in the media, doesn’t mean it’s true. CHECK AND MATE!
waynester
July 14th, 2010
7:09 pm
There is no checkmate–apples are not oranges–even the Times Picayunes’ Jeff Duncan wrote that both Jefferson Parish and DEA’s investigation was lackluster due to political pressure. You jokers can keep on trying to make this personal with me, but throwing up smokescreens, muddying the waters or whatever other cliched excuses you can imagine doesn’t change the fact that the Saints organization attempted to cover this up and when that failed tried to shift the focus onto Santini–the messenger they themselves hired to police an unruly franchise. Santini is SO distrusted that he was immediately hired as head of security for the entire UFL!
You’ve read no excuses being made by me for last season’s results and never will. It’s you fellows that continue to attribute those sentiments to me(unfairly, of course). Again, I expect no more from you, and much more from the League….
waynester
July 14th, 2010
7:23 pm
Furthermore, Santini was never fired–he resigned last August after trying to get Mickey Loomis to do the right thing for the franchise–after showing him video of LB’s coach Vitt removing hundreds of Vicodin from the team medical locker and audiotaped recordings of trainers Scottie Patton and Kevin Mangum discussing orders from Loomis to forge the medical logs to hide the theft.
You guys keep saying “wait for arbitration–we don’t know anything yet” which is patently false. The team only opted for arbitration at the 11th hour to prevent Santini’s lawyer from making the recordings public…..
SeenThisB4
July 14th, 2010
7:39 pm
Waynester: LOL! Your argument reeks of biasd, malicious rhetoric. I am not as gullible as you are, so I will agree to disagree with your vitriolic viewpoint..
waynester
July 14th, 2010
7:56 pm
The only gullibility on display here is your own, and the only maliciousness that of the Saint’s front office toward an honorable employee. As to the vitriol–guilty as charged…..
hiramsaint
July 14th, 2010
8:33 pm
after the vicodin thing i would think you would know better than to mess with vitroil. isn’t that stuff habit forming also?
hiramsaint
July 14th, 2010
8:40 pm
why wasn’t smitty more harshly punished for his assault on a player during a game on national t.v.? maybe nfl players and coaches are not held to a higher standard and after all of this debate what is the outcome? it’s in arbitration and none of us know the whole story. from what i’ve read and using logic—well, go re-read mypost @2:53 and 4:41
waynester
July 14th, 2010
10:02 pm
hiramsaint
apples and oranges–again….
Responding to a rival in the heat of competition vs. premeditated felony theft and felony attempts at cover-up/attempted career assassination of an innocent man…
The actual wording of the NFL rules: “all persons associated with the NFL must avoid’conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in the NFL’–this policy holds NFL employees to a higher standard, failure of which results in discipline, even when the conduct itself does not result in conviction of a crime”. I’m not making this stuff up just to argue with you and B4.
ps
vitriol is my drug of choice
hiramsaint
July 14th, 2010
10:35 pm
ones ok and one is not- i got ya now .i’ll be honest – if found guilty, then all parties involved should be disciplined severely but untill then you have to assume their innocence. smitty was giulty of striking out at another player, in a most cowardly fashion, and was slapped on the wrist so why shouldn’t it be pushed under the rug for our coach also. i’d have to say that smitty throwing a punch at a player on national t.v. was indeed conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence. perhaps millions of people saw it , including children,yet he was allowed to slide so as not to embarass the nfl or the falcons. our guy is ACCUSED and you want to hang him from a yardarm [ if they still do that]. pretty effed up double standard don’t you think – of course you don’t.
waynester
July 15th, 2010
12:32 am
Smitty accepted his punishment and took it like a man. Will Peyton, or will he continue to obfuscate? To date, he has yet to admit receipt of hundreds of Vicodin from Vitt and has only vaguely adressed the matter by asserting that he “never abused painkillers” which is a non-answer. You keep changing the subject to Falcons personnel rather than your GM and coaches–even so, I’m not here to defend coach Smith’s reaction to Hall’s intrusion onto our sideline during the Wash. game but he didn’t contest the fine– he paid the price. Will Peyton, Loomis or Vitt? To date, they have not…..
SeenThisB4
July 15th, 2010
8:24 am
Smith didn’t contest the fine. That’s good. To Date, Payton, Loomis or Vitt have not been levied a fine. So, what in the world are you talking about?
SeenThisB4
July 15th, 2010
8:34 am
Waynester: Don’t get me wrong now, because I really don’t give a rat’s rear about you, but I do wonder what has soured you so much on the New Orleans Saints. You kinda remind me of a viqueen fans still agonizing over their 5 turnovers, and 12 men in the huddle, and non-flagged penalties on the repeated hits on Favre during the NFCC. Anyway, hope you enjoyed last night’s ESPY’s, yes the Saints won the “Best Team” Award and I just knew that that would make your day today. I laughed my lungs out thinking about you flinging your beer can at your television over that one. LOL!
waynester
July 15th, 2010
12:32 pm
Again with the personal stuff, eh?
As I’ve made clear (I thought) ESPN is a joke and their “awards show” even more meaningless than the Grammys. Congratulations on your team’s Superbowl win– they earned it on the field. My complaint continues to be with what the team’s leadership did (and are still doing) off the field. Change the name of the franchise involved to Raiders or Redskins and ESPN would be all over the story, you’d probably not care and I would still be outraged over the treatment of a lifetime law enforcement officer. At least you got a few chuckles last night and I slept like a baby having thoroughly enjoyed our online exchanges.
As far as Smith is concerned, your comrade hiramsaint kept dragging him into the discussion for comparison’s sake and the difference between their responses to being caught on tape doing wrong were like night and day. Smith admitted his mistake and paid the price. The Saints leadership is hiding behind their lawyer’s skirts, trying to push their comeuppance as far into the future as possible. The NFL wants the same thing–to drag it out long enough that the average sportsfan forgets that if justice had been swift , the complexion of last season would have been dramatically different with Vitt, Loomis and Peyton involved in litigation DURING the season. 31 other franchises were affected by the League’s footdragging, abetted by ESPN….
SeenThisB4
July 15th, 2010
1:41 pm
Maybe so, but Vitt and Payton were on the sidelines not on the field, and Loomis was up in his box suite during each and every game, so exactly how they other 31 franchises were affected is not as nubious as you would think. First of all, the Saints only played 15 of the other 31 franchises last year, therefore, more than half of the 31 teams you cite were not even remotely affected one way or another. Assuming that Payton and Vitt were either suspended, fired, incarcerated or otherwise indisposed, Gregg Williams would have managed the defense, and probably the offense as well, and Drew Brees would have managed the offense on the field. I bet Gregg Williams is as aggressive on offense as he is on defense. Exactly how these 15 teams would have benefitted by the absense of Payton and Vitt, nobody, including you, will never, ever know. Who knows, maybe we would have gone 19-0, instead of 16-3.
All I know is that Payton is going to be on the sidelines this year, and he is going to put a game plan together for each and every game.
I don’t recall the whole story on Smith and his altercation, but my guess would be is that that video made itself to the public airways, and it would have been extremely hard for him to “dodge” the fine. The Saints video on the other hand, hasn’t been made public, so right now, it’s Santini’s word against Loomis, Payton and Vitt’s statements. Since the Saints are my team, I’m standing with them, you certainly can’t find fault with that. If there was a story there, ESPN would be all over it, hell they spent an hour on Lebron saying: I’m going to Miami. Don’t hand me “collusion” between the Saints, ESPN, and NFL, just because the events haven’t unraveled like you would have liked them to. That’s just sour grapes.
Oh and regarding your allegation that the Saints management opted for arbitration at the 11th hour to keep those tapes from becoming public. First of all, arbitration, it requires both parties to agree to it. And as a condition of employment, didn’t Santini agree that any disputes would be settled via arbitration? I believe his contract did require that. So, it wasn’t so much that the Saints management opted for it, as much as they elected to go that route; it is cleaner, it is faster, and it is cheaper. And Santini agreed to it, probably cause he figures he can get “paid”. I still believe Santini is nothing more than a gold digger looking to get “his”, the easy way.
truth
July 15th, 2010
2:00 pm
Don’t worry waynester…..once the real aints show up this year, ESPN will start airing their dirty laundry. This dating relationship with ESPN and the aints will come to an end after they get slaughtered by the Vickings in their first game.
Hiram, write this down, the aints will get beat 35-13 to the Vickings. If the aints figure outa way to win, I will not write another word an this board.
truth
July 15th, 2010
2:01 pm
WOW….how retarded I typed Vickings. What an insult do the organization.
waynester
July 15th, 2010
3:13 pm
DLed
My rather lengthy and detailed responses to B4 continue to go un-posted–what gives?
SeenThisB4
July 15th, 2010
3:27 pm
Hmmm, I guess you have to add NBC to the conspiracy theory since the Saints/viqueens game will be broadcast live, nationwide on NBC. The Saints are not only going to beat down the vikings silly this year and send Favre back for more reconstructive ankle surgery, but they will be hoisting the Super Bowl Banner up in their collective faces! LOL! Two weeks after that, it will be time to dismantle the hopes and eviscerate the dreams of the falcant nation. I can’t wait!!! Who Dat!!!
SeenThisB4
July 15th, 2010
3:53 pm
Hey Waynester, don’t get your panties in a wad, but I’ve had enough of your so called lengthy and detailed responses. All you post is venomous allegations without a single firm fact as a basis, just what you have read in internet websites that you champion as truth. Don’t bother.
hiramsaint
July 15th, 2010
3:54 pm
truth- is that the truth? waynster- get the hint- d-led knows your just embarassing yourself and the true falcons fans and probably doesn’t want to post more conspiracy theory garbage about the saints and espn and whoever won’t let the falcons win a super bowl. it’s a dead horse but your determined to keep beating it the way we’ve beat y’all for the past 4 years. that has to be the root of your obsession with the saints. you really want to be a fan but your from atlanta and your friends may not approve. it’s o.k. waynster- be yourself and jump on our bandwagon and let all that pent up frustration just fly away
waynester
July 15th, 2010
3:58 pm
B4
First off, despite your penchant for name-calling and juvenile chest-pounding, I actually respect your loyalty and belief in the face of mounting evidence. I would expect no less from a true fan of his/her team. At some point , however, the rose-colored glasses have to come off and the facts faced.
I never asserted that Loomis the Commish and ESPN all sat down on a conference call and planned this out. What I do recognize is an identical alignment of interests. The NFL has spent millions over the last 5 years trying to rehab the image of the Saints as their “feel-good” franchise. Everyone loves an underdog and “feel-good” stories rope in the viewers for ESPN. Loomis and co. are the beneficiaries of this largesse. No one wants the boat rocked, even when obvious felonies are involved(ala Rothlisberger). This isn’t a one-team league, however, and yes there is a domino effect that disadvantages all 31 other teams. Even a die-hard fan like you must recognize the virtual impossibility of the Saints enjoying identical success last season with your key leadership either under suspension or in prison. Possible, yes–probable, no way. Yet you and other fans continue to parrot the Saint’s official position that Santini is merely a disgruntled ex-empolyee out for revenge when, in fact, before all this Santini and Loomis were good buddies–up to the point when Loomis tried to involve Santini in a felony cover-up. The team could have opted for arbitration immediately, but chose to use the time attempting a character assasination on a 31 yr FBI vet. Only when they became aware that Santini had his own copies of the incriminating tapes and was about to release them to the press did Loomis’ lawyers demand arbitration, cutting off any public discussion of the case. Now they are trying to drag out the proceedings, putting as much time as possible between the Superbowl celebrations and the public revealing of the facts. Santini’s attornies have repeatedly stated that they are ONLY seeking lost wages, court costs and public vindication of their client–hardly the gold-digging you accuse him of. I’m too cynical to expect justice in this or any other case involving the wealthy or famous in our society, but I hold out hope that our nation won’t continue to put these “stars” above the law….
waynester
July 15th, 2010
4:03 pm
Ledbetter doesn’t censor honest discussion so I assume it’s a technical issue not a subtle editorial gesture by our blog-meister. Ya’ll keep on attempting to make this personal and I’ll keep on stating facts….
Birdword
July 15th, 2010
4:07 pm
That was heckuva decent thing for Mughelli to do. Makes you proud to be a Falcon fan.
hiramsaint
July 15th, 2010
4:10 pm
smitty was guilty, as seen by millions. r-berger was guilty asseen by hundreds. no-one has seen or been able to prove anything against the saints except you waynster. how can that be ? do the laws of judicial prudence become non-existant at your place of being.? has GOD , himself, given you the gift of discernment and omniprescence in all things nfl and judicial? perhaps the commisioner could use your inside information since you and only you know of the felonious actvities of the saints orginization. but please show me your PROOF !
hiramsaint
July 15th, 2010
4:11 pm
whats up bird word – havin’ agood day so far?
waynester
July 15th, 2010
4:23 pm
Again with the personal attacks. No I haven’t been given omniscience, but the gift of discernment is given to all who truly seek it. In all humility, I suggest you actually attempt to find the truth about your GM and coaches instead of blindly following the party line. You act as if no information on this case is available when you obviously don’t want to know enough to simply do a modicum of research. I’ve already cited numerous sources which you dismiss or ignore, but try as you might , personal attacks don’t faze me in the least….
truth
July 15th, 2010
4:31 pm
PROOF!
truth
July 15th, 2010
4:31 pm
YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE PROOF!!
truth
July 15th, 2010
4:36 pm
You should be worried about your QB in that game Hiram. The Vikings D will have a big chip on their shoulders. WHO DAT, WHO DAT, WHO DAT GONNA GET HIT HARD BY DA MADDEN CURSE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
hiramsaint
July 15th, 2010
4:37 pm
how you doin’ today truth?
hiramsaint
July 15th, 2010
4:38 pm
well it ain’t gonna be ryan any time in his life!
hiramsaint
July 15th, 2010
4:39 pm
i take that back –his controller could jam up on him while he’s pretending to be a hof qb
truth
July 15th, 2010
4:47 pm
We will see how well your team does without the magic pills that pimp daddy payton won’t have to give out this year. Maybe he has a secret stash somewhere, because after that game Brees and the old men on the aints D will need them.
PROOF!
hiramsaint
July 15th, 2010
4:53 pm
actually our d is younger this year than last year. i’m sure with paytons connections , it won’t be a problem. you don’t get to the point where the nfl gives you a lombardi without havin’ some connections
hiramsaint
July 15th, 2010
4:54 pm
i was serious earlier truth… how ya’ doing today?
hiramsaint
July 15th, 2010
4:55 pm
waynster- still waiting on that PROOF!
truth
July 15th, 2010
4:56 pm
Very well, and yourself?
waynester
July 15th, 2010
5:00 pm
I’ve waited 24 hours for these “fans” to prove me wrong, yet I must conclude that they don’t give a hoot about the integrity of team management, could care less about the health of their head coach or the safety of their players,or whose lives are ruined in the process. The only thing that seems to matter to them is seeing that fleur-de-lis on ESPN and basking in the fleeting, reflected glory. True sportsmen, to be sure….
hiramsaint
July 15th, 2010
5:19 pm
truth- not to bad today but the humidity is pretty thick. waynster- you got it backwards we don’t have to prove anything but it’s you who must prove wrong doing if you allege that it actually happened. i care about the integrity , if you’ll note what i posted earlier. i totally agree if they are found guilty then they should be punished accordingly but thus far you’ve proved nothing but you have provided much heresay. gain i ask that you show your PROOF. CAN’T YOUR ALLEGATIONS BE SUBSTANTIATED? it’s o.k. waynster- we all know the answer to that and so do you
truth
July 15th, 2010
5:19 pm
Calm down Hiram…..are you still upset that your mom caught you “combing your hair” in the bathroom. And no we don’t want PROOF!!
truth
July 15th, 2010
5:20 pm
truth
July 15th, 2010
5:31 pm
Peace out!!! See you’ens around 9pm.
waynester
July 15th, 2010
5:38 pm
Actually TRUTH, I do care about proof. The type of proof the Saints fans are demanding, however, is the type found in court. Thanks to Saints management we will, unfortunately, be denied that standard of proof they demand. I must note that the standard of proof in a courtroom is not required in the court of public opinion where we are currently engaged. The only individual who has been willing to go on the record regarding this case is Mr. Santini, and they choose to disbelieve anything he has said, blindly following, hoping against all hope that it’s just not so. Where are the ringing endorsements of Mickey Loomis as a person of unassailable character? Where is the adamant insistence that coach Vitt would never steal drugs? Where are the assertions that Peyton would never lie about receiving stolen pain pills? Nowhere to be found–because they don’t even believe their own guys are coming clean. It’s easier for them to accuse the blameless of being motivated by money, when that’s the ONLY thing that matters to the franchise, the League and the sycophantic sports press.
Enjoy your fleeting fame–”nothing gold can stay”…..
hiramsaint
July 15th, 2010
6:06 pm
payton gave his statement but due to arbitration i believe niether side is allowed to discuss it publically so thats the reason for the silence. again – no proof on your part , only assumptions and you know what that makes of you. why your obsession with the saints? still waiting on your proof to prove their guilt and still not seeing it . just because you think or say it’s so doesn’t hold up to well for everyone else
SeenThisB4
July 15th, 2010
6:09 pm
Waynester: Didn’t I clearly state that I stand with the Saints? Why woulld you deem it necessary for there to be an individual endorsement of each of Santini’s vivtims? Unless of course it’s to make your
“lengthy” responses, longer.
The New Orleans Saints, THE NEW AMERICA’S TEAM!!!!
GEAUX SAINTS!!!
waynester
July 15th, 2010
6:12 pm
B4 they are the 3 accused of felony lawbreaking, not the other innocent members of the organization.
waynester
July 15th, 2010
6:19 pm
B4
just curious–was Gov Edwards innocent, too? He too was a “victim” of Santini’s prosecution….
hiramsaint
July 15th, 2010
7:10 pm
you said it correctly waynster ACCUSED , look up the definition and i’m sure you won’t find it means guilty. i could accuse you of stealing milk from a grocery but then wouldn’t i have to prove it or could some stranger agree with me ’cause he doesn’t like you , therefore making you guilty. thats your case waynester and it’s weaker than matty slushs’ arm
truth
July 15th, 2010
8:56 pm
The proof is in the pudding and I love pudding. Chocolate pudding, banana pudding, rice pudding, butterscotch pudding, vanilla pudding, puddin tang,……………
waynester
July 15th, 2010
10:01 pm
Ya’ll just can’t resist attempting to assign motives to me without even coming close to my true motivation, despite what I’ve written repeatedly. You keep jumping to the conclusion that I harbor some jealousy toward the Saints finally having a great season. Just like the Falcons, the Saints have been a laughingstock from their inception. If not for the league looking to avoid massive embarrassment, you’d still be among the perennial losers of the NFL–just like Atlanta. You got your win and couldn’t care less if it was fairly won, as evidenced by your myriad excuses for why that mean ol’ FBI man was trying to victimize your poor franchise. How dare he not go along with the peer pressure and stoop to actually recording the thefts, gathering PROOF of his accusations before leveling them?
hiramsaint, I failed to give you credit for admitting that such actions as documented by Santini are firing-level offenses. You’re right. If a nurse at a hospital or a pharmacy tech at CVS was captured on tape stealing painkillers they would immediately be fired and charges brought against them for violation of the Controlled Substances Act. The corporation involved wouldn’t attempt to conceal the offense from company headquarters and keep the thief on the payroll just to avoid embarrassment. They wouldn’t immediately try to change the focus to the guy who installed the security camera which caught the theft in progress and ferreted out other co-conspirators within the company. That’s not the way business is conducted except, apparently in New Orleans–a town founded by pirates and run by gangsters, mobsters and crooked politicians with the cops in their pockets–and for centuries. If you truly want to know what motivates me to continue this discussion long after it’s apparent that you two don’t “give a rat’s rear” about getting to the bottom of it–why not try asking instead of doing what you’re accusing me of–making it up as you go along…..
hiramsaint
July 15th, 2010
10:18 pm
i believe you’ve been asked but if i’m wrong then i’m asking now . you’re right about our history, we’re the australia of this country and proud of it. diversity- yes that what we are about because there is more to our history than our corrupt politics. it’s an ethnic melting pot that branches out like the limbs on one of our mighty live oaks. it’s one of the many things that makes new orleans and louisiana a most special place
hiramsaint
July 15th, 2010
10:28 pm
one more thing- they weren’t actually caught on tape one was said tobe vitt but it’s not substantiated and the other was said to be payton but no-one can tell who it is. i do find it hard to believe that those two were not aware of security cameras which makes the whole allegation dubious. i would also believe payton, as head coach would have no problem getting vicodin from a team or personal doctor. as a side note- i broke my leg a number of years ago and was given vicodin. i would say it’s more of a strong headache medicine than a pain killer but things being as they are , it still is a controlled substance though nowhere near the level of percoset
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waynester
July 16th, 2010
12:29 am
Doesn’t it make your blood boil when you see an OJ Simpson get away with murder and go to jail over memorabilia? A Roman Polanski drugs and rapes a 13 year old girl and gets by with a psychiatric evaluation before skipping the country? Ben Rothlisberger attacks women and gets a 4 week suspension? Michael Vick finances a gambling ring killing innocent critters and has his own reality show and still is employed in the NFL? You see where I’m going with this. There is a double standard for “celebrities” and everyone else. Superbowl coaches with best selling ghost-written books slide for felonies that would put you or I under the jail. That blatant injustice enrages and motivates the hell out of me. That mobsters and crooked politicians receive short country club sentences while those who use the drugs they import get long prison terms royally pisses me off. A mom fails to report that her daughter was involved in a hit and run and goes to jail–an NFL GM fails to report the theft of hundreds of painkillers by his coaches and not only keeps his job, but is allowed to try and destroy the career of the guy who uncovered the thefts. That’s the reason I’m mad enough to be on here posting at midnight instead of watching the ESPY’s celebrate sports celebrities that ought to be in the slammer or rehab at least.
Doesn’t this disparity bother you? Or are you so caught up in hero worship and the jubilation of hoisting a trophy that you will ignore the injustice of it? I can’t– and couldn’t– ESPECIALLY if it was “my” team trying to pull this crap. What I can’t understand is– how can you?
ps
How is being positively identified on videotape by SECRETLY hidden cameras(at the time they suspected lower-level employees) not the same as being “caught on tape”? Lots of Americans are addicted to painkillers and are not media darlings–they are arrested and forced into rehab. I’m sure Peyton’s “connections” that you cited earlier would have a difficult time procuring the incredible number of pills that Vitt was stealing and passing along free-of-charge–no drug dealer would do that no matter how big a Who Dat fan he was. Lots of us live in continual pain and deal with it daily(car crash, in my case) without resorting to addictive black market medications–what’s Peyton’s excuse?
Answer: he doesn’t need one due to his celebrity status. Even when caught red-handed he can still make a fortune off his book and a stint in rehab may even help his sales. That is what motivates me and produces such a level of vitriol. I’m sure you’re tired of arguing with me and the feeling is mutual. I can’t promise not to bring it up again because I’m too passionate about justice(and football) to sit on the sidelines when I see things like this, but for now I’ll give it a rest. Good luck in 2010…..
SeenThisB4
July 16th, 2010
8:51 am
waynester: I just read most of your diatribes you put up last night. You are a classic hypocrite. CLASSIC.
You come on here and beat your chest to the drums of the high road, saying that you are only motivated by truth and justice, and that you don’t make personal attacks, and you condemn Saints management for disparaging an honest ex-FBI, ex-employee. And yet you disparage not only the entire citizenry of New Orleans but every citizen that’s ever lived here. Let me quote you too: ” That’s not the way business is conducted except, apparently in New Orleans–a town founded by pirates and run by gangsters, mobsters and crooked politicians with the cops in their pockets–and for centuries. ”
Your double standard is why I don’t take a word you say seriously. Gov. Edwards, OJ Simpson, & Michael Vick, even Roman Pulanski, they all got their day in a court of law. What you convienently forget is that Gov Edwards was a FOUR term Governor and he served his entire term even when he was being charged, Pulanski admitted his crime in court as a plea deal and skipped the country when the system gave him the opportunity to do so; you already know that OJ got let go by a jury that wouldn’t trust a white prosecutor, and Vick ran that dog operation for years while he was YOUR QB and sticking his middle finger up at you.
If Vitt, Payton, and Loomis are guilty of something, I AM more than content to let the judicial system settle it and dictate reparation. Will there be eventual justice doled out? I don’t know and I don’t care and even if there is, I am sure it won’t be enough to satisfy you. I’m not gonna lose any sleep over that, nor will I pretend to agonize over the unfair advantages the RICH, and the celebrity, enjoy, not just in this country but in every country on Earth.
.
NOR WILL I DISPARAGE AN ENTIRE CITY AND IT’S HISTORY BECAUSE OF ONE COMPLETE MORON ON A SPORTS BLOG.
I will not wish you a respondent “Good luck in 2010″ because I know you didn’t mean it, and neither would I. NOT TO YOU.
Your serve.
truth
July 16th, 2010
9:42 am
If your not a Falcon fan……………………..shut-up!!
SeenThisB4
July 16th, 2010
9:46 am
Make me!
GEAUX SAINTS!
WHO DAT SAYS GONNA BEAT DEM SAINTS!
SUPER CHAMPIONS: NEW ORLEANS SAINTS!!
truth
July 16th, 2010
11:52 am
Enter your comments here
waynester
July 16th, 2010
12:52 pm
B4
You’ve repeatedly said you don’t give a rip what I say, think or believe–so this is my final response to you(hiramsaint seems like a decent bloke, unlike yourself).
The only way I disparaged the “entire citizenry of NO and everyone…” is if every one of those folks are “pirates, gangsters, mobsters or crooked politicians/cops”.
Former Gov. Edwards was as crooked as a snake and deceived the people of La. for decades before getting caught. If that’s the type of leadership you want, more’s the pity.
At least you finally “took the high road” yourself In at last facing the possibility that the artful dodgers in the Saints front office have done something worthy of judicial review, but then you go and ruin it by saying you don’t care if justice is eventually doled out or not–and I’m the hypocrite? I tell you exactly why this situation bothers me as just another example of a long-running trend in jurisprudence and you suggest I’m insincere. You throw up your hands and say “well, that’s just the way it is–accept it” that’s precisely the attitude that allows evil to flourish. You’re right about one thing, though, the only way I’d be satisfied is if these celebs get the same exact sentence as Joe Crackhead for the same exact crime. That’s equality under the law, otherwise known as fairness and justice–but you’ve already said you don’t care and wouldn’t lose any sleep one way or another. Bless your heart–so you won’t wish me good luck because we disagree–well, you take the low road and I’ll take the high road and let the Judge of all make the call as to my sincerity or lack thereof. I’m not “returning serve” as this isn’t a game to me and I’m just as sick of your attitude as you seem to be with me personally.
I hope God’ll bless you (whether you believe it or not) and I forgive you for all the unfair personal remarks( whether you want me to or not). Over and out…..
SeenThisB4
July 16th, 2010
1:49 pm
Bud, God has already provided me a plethora of blessings and riches, so your hopes for it, are just a tad too late.
truth
July 16th, 2010
1:54 pm
SeenThisB4 is a fraud.
truth
July 16th, 2010
1:56 pm
WHO DAT WHO DAT WHO DAT GONNA GET HIT WITH THE MADDEN CURSE?! BREEEEEEEEEESSS DAT WHO!! Give it up for the one hit wonder Saints!! Rha Rha Ree, kick’m in the knee! Rha Rha Rass, kick’m in…………..the other knee.
SeenThisB4
July 16th, 2010
2:02 pm
Truth:
As Officer John McClane would say: Yippee Kah Yay motha…. LOL!
And let’s hear a hand for the Never-Have-Been falcants!!!!
hiramsaint
July 16th, 2010
3:34 pm
waynster- you’ve pronounced them guilty numerous times but have no evidence of it . see where i’m going? i understand your disdain for the judicial system but it is what it is. what are you gonna do ? promote yourself to GOD? well, thats what your doing by condemning those who have not been found guilty yet. what happens if they are found innocent and it was an extortion scheme. you’ll feel silly for what you’ve repeatedly posted because you didn’t actually know all the facts. thats exactly how it is right now man. niether you or i know all the facts and probably never will . leave the judgement to one more qualified than yourself
hiramsaint
July 16th, 2010
3:38 pm
seenthisb4– i’ll bet that truth has emotionally scarred you with those most hienous and demoralizing attacks! will you sleep tonight ? will you be able to function in the world anymore?. will you need some therapy? OH THE HUMANITY OF IT ALL!!!!… oh yeah , i almost forgot .. TWODAT!!!!!!
SeenthisB4
July 16th, 2010
4:14 pm
Hey Himmie poo, you gonna “hook up” with me later on tonight? I got a TWODAT I want to show you.
hiramsaint
July 16th, 2010
6:08 pm
truth- not gonna work. man you got no imagination
waynester
July 16th, 2010
7:16 pm
hiramsaint
Already said so long to B4, didn’t mean to ignore you. You’ve been posting on here for a while and generally show good humor with your mostly harmless ribbing. That’s cool, I’ve got a great sense of humor about most things but not this. I hope you (and anyone else for that matter) never have to experience it yourself–but washing your hands of the situation–”it is what it is, what are you going to do” won’t do anything to change what’s wrong. Just because “we don’t know all the facts and probably never will”(reminds me of Pontius Pilate asking ‘what is truth’ suggesting that the truth is unknowable) doesn’t mean we shouldn’t exercise sound judgement based on the facts available to us. If my judgement is wrong I’ll feel more than just silly– I’ll have to pay for it in spades as I believe we’ll be judged as we judge others. If we see something we believe is wrong it’s our duty to agitate for change until it happens. For now, I’ve agitated you enough– seeing as you sorta agree that I have sufficient reason to be intolerant of such fundamental unfairness. As for you cohort B4, the man won’t even accept a kindness. He’s more to be pitied than reviled. Again, bless you and may the best team win (fairly, of course)…..
hiramsaint
July 16th, 2010
8:53 pm
have a good weekend waynester. the answer will come oneday to this curious situation. i agree about the fundamental unfairness thing going with athletes, stars, GOV OFFICIALS , but i also believe in due process and without a reasonable doubt. in my view, due process is not finished and there is a huge doubt due to the entire circumstance and how it evolved. see ya’ on the next blog
waynester
July 16th, 2010
9:16 pm
Thanks!
Over and out….
SeenThisB4
July 16th, 2010
10:07 pm
Let me get this straight, a guy with a blog handle of “Truth” is impersonating me by changing a capitol “T” to a small “t” ? Wow, talk about hypocritical! That makes anything Waynester ever said completely pale in comparison. Talk about low! LOL! You should be ashamed of yourself Truth, at least your comarade in arms, Waynester, isn’t an imposter.
And hey Waynester, I look forward to future dialogue with you, but next time, keep the topic on the happenings on the football field.
Truth: KMA!
Hiramsaint: Thanks for exposing the impersonator. Have a good weekend gentlemen, and you too Truth.
hiramsaint
July 16th, 2010
11:09 pm
seenthisb4 — he does it all the time. i know , i’ve seen i’ve read. he never talks football just crap. i on the other hand do both with much wit and vicodintrol
truth
July 17th, 2010
4:27 pm
Sorry SeenThisB4……not me.
truth
July 17th, 2010
6:54 pm
I think it funny that you two won’t go and talk “football” on aints site. The both of you (hi-i-ram SeenThisB4) couldn’t handle real football talk. If you want to I’m game. That is, if you can. Untill them I will keep bait’n my hook and reel’n yall in.
SeenThisB4
July 17th, 2010
7:03 pm
Not much football to talk about, hell, even your own beat writers are writing about football players making charity visits, cheerleaders making calendars, mascot wall posters, sports agents getting ready for the lockout, etc. There’s about 13 days left before training camps open up, then we’ll have more real football to talk about.
truth
July 18th, 2010
8:59 pm
………or a Madden curse to talk about. The Vikings are chopping at the bit to play you guys again.
SeenThisB4
July 19th, 2010
7:16 am
The viqueens? Give me a break, the only thing they are chopping at the bit at is figuring out if they have a quarterback! Madden curse? Come on dude, this is New Orleans! We got plenty of voodoo that will eat up and spit out that Madden Curse. Madden Curse indeed!