5 things the Falcons need to fix over the bye week
Pro Bowler Roddy White has been working underneath a lot. Do the Falcons need to send him deep more often? (Brian Williams/AP)
IN THE AIR ON THE WAY TO HARTSFIELD-JACKSON — It seems like there is never a good time for the bye week.
But the fourth week of the season is too early.
The Falcons get to stew for two weeks before heading out to San Francisco to face the upstart 49ers.
Here are five things the Falcons need to fix over the bye week. (We’ll get the official list when Coach Mike Smith speaks later today. But for now, we can start with my list!)
1. Find the running game: Pro Bowl running back Michael Turner has rushed for 65, 105 and 56 yards. Miami
Pro Bowler Michael Turner has 65 carries for 220 yards (3.5 per carry). (Brian Williams/AP)
and Carolina targeted Turner, but New England did a good job of playing keep-away in the third quarter. When the Falcons did get the ball for a second time in the second half, they were down two scores and needed to pass. Don’t know if the holes are not there or if “The Burner” is not hitting the holes fast enough. But that’s something the Falcons need to sync up quickly.
2. Solidify the run defense: After the bye, the Falcons will see Frank Gore, Matt Forte, Felix Jones and Marion Barber over the next three games. They will need to get much stiffer against the run. Trey Lewis had a rough day in his first action since suffering a knee injury in 2007. On Fred Taylor’s 8-yard touchdown run, Lewis didn’t hold the point of attack and was pushed back several yards by New England center Dan Koppen and guard Stephen Neal.
3. Get the pass rush cranked back up: The defensive line has been shut out in the sack department over the last two games. They need to dial it back up. John Abraham and Kroy Biermann had two sacks in the opener. Linebacker Stephen Nicholas has the only other sack. If they find out the line can’t get home, then blitz more. Safeties Erik Coleman and Thomas DeCoud had good blitzes in each of the last two games. Nicholas can get home, too. Corners would be left in coverage more, but at least they’d be taking the fight to the opposition. .
Cornerback Brian Williams kept a Randy Moss TD off the board here. (Brian Williams/AP).
4. Find out if Tye Hill can help: By the time the Falcons play again, it will have been five weeks since the trade with St. Louis for Tye Hill. That’s plenty of time for him to get acclimated in the “system.” Doesn’t seem like it should be that hard. Although, Chris Houston, Brian Williams and Brent Grimes have been solid, it’s time to find out if Hill can help. If he can cover man-to-man, then the Falcons would be able to unleash more blitzes.
5. Get Roddy White the ball down the field: The Falcons have to take more shots down the field. White has been regulated to underneath possession receiver through three games. A few more shots will get folks out of the box, too. If White and Michael Jenkins are streaking up the sidelines and Tony Gonzalez roaring down the middle seam, one of them will be open. White has seen 26 passes come his way. He’s caught 15 for 119 yards (7.9 yards per catch). His longest catch of the year went for 17 yards.
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FalconUGAFan
September 28th, 2009
9:48 am
Good fixes. The ones that worry me are running game and the pass rush. Turner spoiled me last year. I came into the season thinking we were set with the running game. Agree we gotta fix that in a hurry.
Not sure about the pass rush. Guess we just need to attack like you said. Actually, seems like thats was the issue with the game after the fumble. We seemed to play not to lose rather than win. Maybe Smitty kicked a few trash cans around after the game.
Falconsforlife
September 28th, 2009
10:00 am
I think it’s an ok time for the bye week. Most fans would have been happy with 2-1 at the bye, and every one that I know picked the loss this weekend. That doesn’t make it feel any better though.
I’m confident the coaching staff sees the issues and will focus on fixing them over the next 2 weeks. SF isn’t an easy W like most of us though it would be before the season began. The offense has to start clicking soon. The D has been doing a decent enough job of keeping us in games but the O just isn’t picking up the slack. The Turner fumble and pass interference call on Jenkins on that TD pass really destroyed us yesterday. If those 2 things were actual TD’s the outcome would’ve been completely different.
Let’s learn from this, beat SF and head 3-1 into our big Sunday night game against the stupid Bears.
GO FALCONS
RdHdKid
September 28th, 2009
10:02 am
Fire Brent Grimes. And Houston.
Atlien
September 28th, 2009
10:02 am
The o-line needs to create more wholes for ‘The Burner’. Defense needs to play as a unit sacks turnovers etc. and we need bigger d-linemen to clog the middle Babs is quick but small Johnson and Lewis lack intensity and strength all in all the defense is in trouble!!
An Observation
September 28th, 2009
10:11 am
DOL – I agree with everything you’ve pointed out except for your statement about Houston and Grimes being solid throughout the first three games. After the Turner fumble yesterday, it seemed like the team never regained the momentum they had earlier. Hopefully Hill will be ready after the bye week because the secondary needs all the help they can get.
Also the officiating left a lot to be desired. John Abraham was held all day long. It’s kind of difficult to have a pass rush if the offensive linemen are holding the pass rushers. I don’t remember there being one holding call on the Patriots the entire game.
BillyWhiteShoes
September 28th, 2009
10:24 am
The pass rush is a must. Was I the only one that saw Jamal Anderson hit Brady in his back on a pass play? You would think Brady would have hit the ground. Instead, the hit didn’t even move him an inch. Why is this guy still getting time in the rotation? In 3 years of playing 80% of downs, I would have had more than 2 sacks, and I’m 180 lbs.
midnite
September 28th, 2009
10:27 am
You have to admit we went to Foxboro and played a pi$$ed off Patriots team and they handed us our a$$. The officiating was atrocious, but it all can’t be blamed on that. All the Falcons can do is learn from that game on both sides of the ball. We are still in the “process” and were just deflated after the TD was called back and the fumble.
Bob Murphy
September 28th, 2009
10:30 am
Enter your comments here IBC3 – It seems to me that we are giving up too many yards in the passing game and not putting enough pressure on the QB. What is Jamal Anderson doing? I thought he was drafted in hopes of becoming a great pass rusher. What’s happened?
NIck
September 28th, 2009
10:30 am
Brent Grimes was NOT solid…The only corner that has impressed me is Brian Williams…It is tough for any of our corners to be successful considering we had ZERO pass rush yesterday. Heck, I could have looked like a superstar back there sitting for 7 seconds looking for open receivers!
welikebaseball2
September 28th, 2009
10:35 am
Good stuff DOL. I especially concur regarding the d-line. If we had shutdown corners (or at least one), we could get by with the lack of a pass rush. Actually, even if we did have that shutdown corner, we’d still need the d-line to at least pressure the QB. I love the idea of heavier doses of Bierman but I really love the idea of actually working Sidbury into the mix. As for the run defense, I’m concerned that we just don’t have the personnel. Sad to say, but I can’t think of anyone among the defensive tackle rotation with the makeup to clog the middle. They’re definitely feisty, but run-stuffers they are not. That’s a problem that I don’t see an internal fix for.
#1 Falcon Fan
September 28th, 2009
10:45 am
I agree get the running game going. Also our pass rush really suck, someone besides abraham has got to get sacks. And why in the heck did your hall of fame TE not have a catch until the 2nd half. We didn’t bring Gonzalez here to be a blocker…no excuse for him going an entire half without a catch!
Ted Beck
September 28th, 2009
10:50 am
I agree with your fixes. Unfortunately, I don’t know that our defense can be fixed with the current personnel. They got pushed all over the field yesterday, and really didn’t stop Carolina either. If not for the turnovers in the Miami game, they don’t look so good that game. Turnovers are great, but you can not build sustainable results based on the hope that you will get turnovers each game. On the defensive line, we have one first rounder who is out and one first rounder who has never done much of anything. So we really have 2 subs on the DL in the starting line up. Our LBs are nothing special and our DBs are sub-par. We need to get Tye Hill and the second round draft pick from Missouri (as soon as he is healthy) out there to see what they can do. I still think the weaknesses of this defense can not be hidden. Scheming alone will not do it. We need more good drafts. This next draft is supposed to be very talented……….unfortunately, we gave up our second to KC. Gonzales is a great pick up for 2 or 3 years, but I’m not sure the trade does much for our long term building plans.
Michael Turner has some good qualities, but he is very, very, slow when it comes to hitting the hole. He just doesn’t change gears very fast. I think he is a little over rated. At times, it looks like he is running in molasses.
The play calling needs to improve. When the run is not working, don’t keep using 2 out of 3 downs on it. Don’t run the ball on first, throw short passes on second which are not designed to pick up the first down, and then keep facing third down, do or die situations. Design plays to pick up ten yards before you get to third down!!! Don’t design roll out plays on third down that forces Matt to throw the ball away when he does not see an open receiver immediately. He does not have much mobility and he can not buy time with his feet.
blord
September 28th, 2009
10:55 am
point 1 – I thought Turner ran decent at times Sunday until the fumble. That was a huge play. The thing that I have noticed about him is he looks out of shape. I saw him gasping for air during the Carolina game and he was being rested a good bit. I think he will be fine but he has to hold onto the dang ball. Atl was moving the ball down the field Sunday but that play along with the pass inter. call against Jenkins killed us.
point 2 – this one I agree with and scares me the most because I don’t see a answer for it currently on our roster. Maybe JA98 moving inside? I really don’t think that helps that much in the long run but I guess at this point it’s worth a shot.
point 3 – I agree but I think the run defense makes the coaching staff scared to blitz. Wish we could have gotten to Brady more Sunday.
point 4 – Hope he can help although the secondary has been better then I thought. I have been surprised with DeCoud. He has been playing well. He is there to make the play now he just has to hold onto the ball. Can’t complain to much though because Roddy is having the same problem.
point 5 – Have we even thrown the ball deep since week one? I don’t know if our play calling didn’t call for it – if all our receivers were well covered – or if Ryan just didn’t want to but don’t you at some point just have to take a shot. Bye the way I have much love for Roddy but catch the ball please and he sure does fall down a lot.
point 6 my thoughts- all and all I think we will be ok but our offense is missing a spark at the moment. Wish HD was healthy because I think he is that spark. Maybe Norwood can be it. Isn’t our red zone offense supposed to be better? One game and I still think we have a lot to be excited about in the weeks and years to come. Go Falcons
vafalconfan
September 28th, 2009
10:58 am
We were out-coached period on both side of the ball.
blord
September 28th, 2009
11:03 am
By the way I have Roddy White in Fantasy and I am thinking of sitting him for a few weeks until he learns his lesson:) That will teach him.
blord
September 28th, 2009
11:10 am
I really don’t think we were out coached Sunday vafalconfan. The coaches didn’t fumble and screw up a scoring drive(Turner). The coaches didn’t push off the receiver and get a touchdown called back (Jenkins). The coaches didn’t drop two ints. (DeCoud). The coaches didn’t cause Roddy to drop passes. The coaches didn’t cause Sam Baker to have a false start at a really bad time. I guess you could argue they should have had more calls to throw the ball down the field but maybe they did and because of coverage etc. Ryan didn’t.
Gatorzone
September 28th, 2009
11:10 am
Turner dances too much looking for holes. He should slam the line like a Mack truck, but he appears to be looking for the home run too much.
If our DB’s and WR’s had held onto 1/2 of the drops, the Falcons would have won that game.
We knew NE would be primed and ready after a loss and this would be tough sledding. All in all, one can’t be too disappointed based off of where we were 2 years ago. This was a winnable game, that we should win in the future.
Falcfan
September 28th, 2009
11:16 am
DOL- great blog. However, I must disagree with grimes and Houston looking solid. Grimes has continued to be unimpressive. Houston has had flashes but overall has been just average. I agree that Hill needs to be on the field. I’d like to see Hill and Williams starting with Houston at the nickel. I think Houston has the speed to blitz from the nickel and can bump the slot recievers enough to throw them off. A pash rush is a must though- it doesn’t matter whose in the secondary. Turner’s fumbling is beginning to worry me. And Roddy has to catch the ball- he wanted number one money so now he needs to catch like a number one. But you are absolutely right that he needs to be down the field. The defense was severly outcoached. Where were the in game adjustments? I didn’t see them.
Deborah
September 28th, 2009
11:16 am
This is to all the Grimes haters, get a life
Falcfan
September 28th, 2009
11:18 am
Pass** And blord- great point about DeCoud. Very impressive thus far.
NoleRick
September 28th, 2009
11:19 am
When did Turner start hanging out with TJ Duckett? I swear that was Duckett out there yesterday.
blord
September 28th, 2009
11:22 am
FalcFan – I wonder where Moore fits in now?
DamnGoodDawg
September 28th, 2009
11:27 am
Here’s a thought. Falcons Defense! On each possession, just let the opponent make a first down play to your 20 yard line; then make a stand there and give up a field goal. The same result, except look at how many more times your offense can get the ball during the game and you stay rested…Just a thought, but it seems logical to me in view of your play yesterday.
Gatorzone
September 28th, 2009
11:27 am
Decoud was sharp, just wish he could have held onto an interception.
NoleRick, you hit the nail on the head. Turner looks FAT and SLOW this year!
DamnGoodDawg
September 28th, 2009
11:33 am
And by the way, how is it that you don’t throw to Tony G until 14 minutes in the 4th quarter???? Huh??? How, how, how??? Dipwads!
Darn Good Dawg
September 28th, 2009
11:46 am
Get rid of Matt Ryan. Trade him to Philly for Michael Vick.
Hollywould
September 28th, 2009
11:47 am
I am with you on Duckett. How did he get back on the team? Seriously, Turner tried to break it outside once and a d-end who was knocked down got up and dropped him for no gain. Give snelling some more playing time.
gdg73
September 28th, 2009
11:50 am
I say bring DT Vance Walker off the practice squad and work him into the DT rotation. Also, try moving John Abraham around to create matchup problems. Also, try blitzing a corner or safety from the same side that Abraham is on. When Abe rushes up field, have someone blitzing next too him in the B Gap.
Lil Larry
September 28th, 2009
11:53 am
IMO the coaching staff seems to go in with a game plan and when the other team counter what we’re doing they (the coaches) don’t make the necessary adjustments. We need to do whatever it takes to win, with whoever it will take to win. Turner not working, put Snelling in and run him. Roddy, Gonzalez, White covered then continue to go to Booker. Mularkey is too conservative for my taste. The guy is still calling running plays to Turner in the 4th quarter and he didn’t have success all day. What is that about? The defense need to be rebuilt…period. This is not the Steelers type defensive line Smith said he wanted to build…they’re too small and get push around by the bigger OLs in the league. And why are our LBs getting knocked out of the plays by the opponents’ OL…because we don’t have a Grady to clog the middle and hold up one or two of their blockers. This defense just seems to be a hodge podge of players thrown together.
SWAMI
September 28th, 2009
11:56 am
Where to begin.
I predicted a 8-8 season for the birds. Still looks good to me.
I predicted that Roddy Whites case of the dropsies were just in remmission last year. They are back.
Matty Ice is at best an average long ball thrower, and that aspect of his game will never change.The O line gave him plenty of time. Tony G. was open on many occassions but Matty had his mind made up yo go elsewhere.
If you had told me before the game that the birds would not blitz on every other play, I would have predited a 40 point victory for NE. If the Pats receivers had been half-way decent it would have been a 40 pt victory. BVG is waaaay too conservative and is too stubborn or too dumb to make in-game adjustments. True that our dbacks get torched often in 1-on-1 coverage, but giving Brady all day to throw is just giving the game away.
Mike Mularkey is well aware of Ryan’s shortcomings and calls plays accordingly (very few longballs). Quick screens or reverses to R. White will NEVER work. He is not that kind of a runner. He is OK at full speed but is incapable of making a defender miss in close quarters.
Mike Peterson was exposed as being old and slow. He is still better than that guy on Dallas. Nicholas is young and slow.
We all know about the dbacks…ptooooie
Mike Smith has no cajones. He knows the quality of his team is somewhat lacking and is resigned to a mediocre middle of the road season. He is playing to survive and possibly get lucky, not to win. He is not a risk-taker and never will be. It is not his nature. Playing conservatively will get you exactly what we are getting; hangin in there with mediocre teams with a chance to get lucky and getting beat by goood teams.
It is what it is, EIGHT AND EIGHT!!!!
PS. It seems that the refs are getting worse and worse. There must be MORE and IMMEDIATE accountability for them.
Dawson Devitt (D3)
September 28th, 2009
12:01 pm
DOL – Great post as usual.
TD’s draft is giving us absolutely no help so far this year on defense. Although injuries can’t be predicted, Jerry had a long list of a serious injury history. Moore hasn’t contributed at all since being a Falcon, and what’s the deal with Chris Owens? He’s not getting any PT as a nickel, dime, or quarter D-Back. He drew rave reviews and has disappeared. What’s the deal with Chevis Jackson as well? Played great in the slot last season and loses to Brent Grimes? Not hating on Grimes, but why is he matched up Randy Moss all game? Van Gorder needs to return to his roots at UGA and apply pressure often and always.
Keep It Real
September 28th, 2009
12:05 pm
You missed one. The coaches need to be more aggressive. Play to win ..
Michael P
September 28th, 2009
12:08 pm
Ted Beck, I couldnt have said it better. the play calling was disappointing. When I look at these teams like the Ravens, Indy, Saints,you see a very aggressive offensive gameplan being called. I realize Murlarky likes an offense predicated on run 1st, however why assemble a porshe when you really wanted a bulldozer. Play to our strengths…and at this moment, its Matty and the receivers…Can anyone name a better overall offensive skill set than ours? Jesus Christ take the traning wheels off, like they have done in Baltimore and let matt be who is is supposed to be. And Mark my word,,,,Norwood has a chance to have an incredible year coming out the backfield for the short passes…
SWAMI
September 28th, 2009
12:11 pm
Dled – Has Mike Smith held his press conference yet? If so, where can I find it. If not, when? Will be interesting to see what he has to say (if any reporter has the cajones to ask the right questions).
DMac
September 28th, 2009
12:15 pm
This was what was to be expected. The Falcons have a philosophy of offense and defense, It is successful with most teams. New England will never be beat with a four man pass rush and playing field position. You have to be aggressive on defense and blitz 60 % of the time. You have to go on 4th downs to keep drives alive, especially if your the falcons and try to run bubble screens. Our philosophy is what they feast on. Fortunately most teams don’t have Tom Brady and a smart Defense, so we really dont have to change much. It just won’t work with New England and no matter how much we try to get better, we will never beat them with a 4 man pass rush. Its philosophy not play. They ate the clock and limited our chances in the 2nd half.
Samuel
September 28th, 2009
12:17 pm
we need to get turner not to be the momentum burner,also why can’t snelling get more carries.i see progress in are pass defense.but the d- line is horrible.you can’t get to the big dance with that kind of defense who is real bad against the run…
jack bull
September 28th, 2009
12:17 pm
i’ve always heard the NFL was a copy-cat league…guess not, i didn’t see the Falcons do anything the Jets did against the Pats… i’m assuming BVG didn’t get a copy of the tape, showing what works against the Pats O. just an observation…
NorEaster
September 28th, 2009
12:18 pm
The view from up here is that even with a hurting Moss, no Welker and a lost Galloway (plus a totally out-of-sync Brady) the Pats managed to put up 26 points. Credit their OL with that; they did the run-blocking. It was nice to see Brady under center again for a large portion of the game instead of in shotgun with a bulls-eye on his jersey. Atlanta’s offense looked great at the start, then progressively worse, until they couldn’t move the ball at all toward the end. Not sure what that means; I’d like to think it means the Pats’ totally-revamped defense started to really jell. They haven’t given up 300 yards yet.
Atlanta’s got a shot in their division. I can’t believe NO is as good as they look right now, and Carolina may be in a state of collapse (check again tonight). Tampa is a basket case. I don’t think the Falcs are ready to go toe-to-toe with the real big boys yet though.
Carl
September 28th, 2009
12:24 pm
This game was a disaster in the sense that it is reality that the Falcons are not among the elite teams; heck, they’re not even the team to be in the NFC South; New Orleans has claimed that title without a doubt. Apparently many fans do not understand what just happened up there. It reminds me of when the Falcons went down to N.O. and played on either Monday Night or Sunday Night and totally stunk up the place in the Saint’s first game back in the dome after Katrina. I never thought we would ever get back to that low level of play, but I was wrong. Really depressing stuff.
Bob
September 28th, 2009
12:24 pm
Where is the blitz? I think I have seen one in three games. You give QB’s like Brady enough time and they will take you apart. Definitely have to get the run going too.
Coop
September 28th, 2009
12:25 pm
So, I have one question? Did anyone NOT know that the gameplan we employed wouldn’t work? Weren’t we all saying run the ball, control the clock, send Roddy deep, blitz Brady, and double Moss? What the Hell was that yesterday? Not only did we fail at what we tried, we made no changes. Just keep with this fialing gameplan fellas, it’s sure to work eventually. Here’s a thought. If you are getting manhandled in the second half on D. Try blitzing 2 or 3 guys. Hell, you’re gonna lose anyway. Sit JA98 and give someone else a shot. Don’t just sit there and take it, do SOMETHING , ANYTHING, different.
Randy
September 28th, 2009
12:37 pm
First and foremost we must fix that D-Line. Can’t pressure the QB and can’t stop the run. We won’t be a true contender until that is fixed.
Boo Boo
September 28th, 2009
12:39 pm
The worst thing that could have happened to the Falcons happened last year. They finished 11-5, when everyone would have seen 7-9 a huge success (after the 2007 debacle). With a team worthy of losing to second tier teams half the time, and first tier teams most of the time, they have a schedule of mostly first tier teams. The Falcons have a defense that needs to watch how Indianapolis plays. Their only hope is pressure (ALL GAME LONG) on the quarterback. The running game is no longer in vogue. Notice Mr. NFL (Billy Check) had his qb throw the ball 50+ times. The name of the game is now pass for 350+ yards, and score EVERY possession, so if the defense happens to slip up and stop someone, the points cover up for lack of talent. Ball control is history (ask Miami [0-3 Miami] about how many minutes the Colts had the ball in their loss to them). Turner should be getting no more than 18 carries in a game. Ryan should be passing 50 times a game. If he can’t find a way to reach 350 yards each week, we need to trade for Mike Vick.
Vick Supporter
September 28th, 2009
12:42 pm
Matt “Ice” Ryan can’t stretch the field, which leads to having 8 men in the box to stop the run, which leads to Ryan having to win the game himself, which is proven he can’t do. Its pretty simple.
Roddy’s got his money now, so you’ll see the drops increase. Jemkins still can’t get open, and they are going to “bracket” Gonzales. Make Ryan beat you with his arm, and the other team wins. See how easy that is?
**Frederick(Bailey)Douglass**
September 28th, 2009
12:48 pm
Was waiting for you D-Led…good analysis. Here are a couple of reactions and additional comments:
(1) While we do NOT stink, it seems as if the coaching has been a bit…”pedestrian”, if you will. We rarely dial up strategies that FORCE the game. While we were able to get away with this during our first two games, a trip to NE exposed us.
(2) Turner is not effective, so far. Fumbling, laboring…just get him to hit the hole hard and pick up 4-5 or whatever is there while he works into shape. The fumbles just have to stop though. It killed us on yesterday. Period.
(3) Offensive play calling on yesterday. Ok, so I’m guessing that Tony G. has seen bracket coverage all over the league, every year. THAT HAS NOT STOPPED HIS PRODUCTION. Why we would not throw it to him more than 1 time is beyond me…BUT, you throw R. White a hitch on a critical 2nd down that lost yards (the play loss 5 yards, we punted on a 4th and 5). Poor play selection. Last, on a critical 3rd and 8, you roll Matt Ryan out and basically create a 12th defender for the Pats: THE SIDELINE!!! WHY? Their DBs has not done anything special all day?!?!? Put #2 in the gun, have 4-5 receivers run various patterns and let Ryan hit the open guy. Protection had been solid…why OVERCOACH??? Let the GOLDEN BOY PLAY.
(4) Its obvious that we have not practiced zone blitzing much because we were unable to disguise anything. Everytime we got into a blitz package, Brady called out the corresponding blitzer to his lineman. Study the Steelers…players don’t inch forward before the ball is snapped…they stay put and then TAKE OFF. Brady is too smart to not notice…YOU HAVE TWO WEEKS TO WORK ON THIS.
(5) Anytime I saw #20 on Randy Moss I was flabbergasted. Really…are you KIDDING ME?? That is like saying, “Hey, why don’t we consider Marion Barry for the next mayor of ATL?” or “Why don’t we bring ole Bill Campbell back to serve as Chief Financial Officer for the City?” You are playing a dangerous game Van Gorder and Smith. Use your resources and get Chevis Jackson in the game. He led your team in INTs last year. YOU NEED HIM.
(6) Kudos to Peterson for making the ONLY defensive play(s) of the day for the Birds (I would count DeCoud, but he basically dropped two INTs). Kudos even to Matt Ryan for doing his job, which is to avoid INTs.
I’m glad this spanking came before the break. Maybe they ALL (coaches especially) will reevaulate and put our guys in positions to FORCE the game. We have the personnel and talen on both sides of the ball. Now how we use it is becoming a saga of its own…
FBD
Mike
September 28th, 2009
12:54 pm
To me turner look like he was running well until dat fumble,that was huge,the man jus put helmet on ball n caused 2 fumble,cnt do nothing bout dat.n its a long season,we was 2-1 at dis point last yr,You learn from losses.hopefully they will learn from this and bounce bac wit a good game against 49ers
Bull butter
September 28th, 2009
12:57 pm
The pats are not the pats of old.They have lost to many players on defence.Put the blame for this loss on Smitty & co.The falcons will go 7-9 and keep the string of back to back non winning seasons intack.
AlternateReality
September 28th, 2009
12:58 pm
Agree with Mike about Turner. Also, he had around 50+ yards in the first half, then the Falcons only ran the ball 4 times in the second half because they couldn’t get the ball back. More carries means more yards, and last year Turner had a lot of carries for very little yardage and then would break off 1 or 2 big ones per game.
Bullish-on-the-Falcons
September 28th, 2009
1:03 pm
Falcons look uninspired yesterday, and they played as if they believed they didn’t belong on that field. I hope that doesn’t become a trend.
Williams seems to have been a diamond in the rough. That break-up of a deep throw to Moss was exactly what the Falcons have lacked. I know he made a big mistake on a key 3rd/4th down play, but all-in-all he’s been a great addition, in my opinion.
Decoud has played well, he would have been a star yesterday with two INT’s. He had a great play flying up and taking out a screen pass yesterday when it looked set up to break for big yards.
Roddy needs to stop dropping passes. He is playing commensurate to his salary BEFORE his new contract.
That was a disappointing game to watch. I’d thought the Falcons would be 2-1 headed into the bye week; it just would have been nice to see same intensity against the Pats we saw in the first two weeks.
Finally, how did the officials need to review that incomplete pass that was thrown 5 yards and clearly batted to the ground by a Pats lineman. The officiating was absurd.
San Francisco just became a huge game. We need some swagger back.
MrHughes
September 28th, 2009
1:03 pm
Okay, I think some of y’all are missing the big picture. The Falcons defense played well. They were on the field twice as much as the Falcons offense. Time of posession is the most important stat in football. If it’s 2:1 in the other team’s favor, then you are not going to win. New England’s red zone efficency was 20%. That means the Falcons D stopped them 4 out of 5 times they got into the red zone. The Pats were 0-2 in goal to go! That’s not bad defense. The deficit was only 16… And, you don’t blitz Brady. That’s what he wants because it leaves voids in the secondary. You have to get pressure with your front four. That’s not going to happen when one team is allowed to commit offensive holding all day. For example, during the Baker TD a Pats olineman had two fistfulls of Abe’s jersey outside of the shoulders. That’s the definition of offensive holding folks. In other words, the game’s deciding play should have been called back.
I didn’t see the Jenkins TD as pass interference either. That’s two guys fighting for the ball. It should have been a non call as there was no pronounced pushoff motion. That doesn’t get called at the GaDome. If anything it should have been called illegal contact as the DB was pulling Jenkins hand down as Michael was attempted to catch the ball. That’s why Jenkins ended up catching the ball with one hand.
Turner had a pretty good day running the ball. His average was 3.73 yards per carry and I don’t remember any big runs; (his long was only 7 yards). He only 15 carries. That’s good work from a back on limited touches. We don’t win under those circumstances. He’s a big part of what we do and should have been more of a factor given the conditions. How many three and outs did we have in the second half? The Turner fumble was a fluke play. Both weeks he’s put the ball on the ground he’s had both hands on it. Ball security is not an issue with Michael Turner. Any back would lose the ball under those circumstances (ie: helmet on ball).
Lastly, Matt Ryan can’t throw the deep ball folks. He never hits people in stride. It’s a weakness and New England and other teams have it scouted. The coaches know which is why he’s been passing on people going downfield.
D. Orlando Ledbetter
September 28th, 2009
1:20 pm
Good stuff today. Maybe I’m giving Houston and Grimes, too much credit. But they haven’t been horrid or anything.
THANKS FOR THE SHOUT OUT D3.
About to drive out to the Branch and see what Coach Smith has to say about all of the fixes here. I will have a long list of questions for him since the players are not going to be available to the media until Wednesday. Send some questions along. I should get there in time to review and put them on my list. You know, I’ll say “The readers what to know . . . why you’ll don’t run the Double-Reverse or whatever.”
I approve some Vick comments. Feel free to ignore them!
blord
September 28th, 2009
1:21 pm
I have heard and read where people are wondering why we didn’t do what the Jets did since it was effective. That is an easy question to answer. We can’t do that because we don’t currently have the personal to do it. The Jet’s D is really good and ours is average but will get better…I hope. There are some things I would have like to have seen different reguarding the coaching but I don’t think our coaching is the reason we lost the game. We lost….but we are still a good team. No need to panic.
Casey
September 28th, 2009
1:24 pm
Why did we punt the ball with 7 minutes left in the game at a 4th and 4? We did not get the ball back after that. The disappointing run defense, the lacking run offense, and the total neglect of our hall of fame TE are all things I can get over, but when we start giving up at the end then that’s what really cooks my grits.
SHOULD HAVE DRAFTED FLACCO
September 28th, 2009
1:34 pm
5. Get Roddy White the ball down the field: The Falcons have to take more shots down the field. White has been regulated to underneath possession receiver through three games.
Can’t stretch the field with a WEAK ARMED QB!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mountain_jim
September 28th, 2009
1:44 pm
Anyone who thinks we were not outcoached was not paying attention. We did nothing to counter their shutdown of Roddy, playcalling in 2nd was terrible (roll outs with only one option on 3rd down), Smith needed to grow a pair and go twice on 4th down, once from inside the 40 for criminy’s sake. And 4th and 7 and 7 or so minutes left and we punt?
WE PUNT? I was disgusted with that decision.
And no blitz packages and no balls on defense – if Brady was on they could have had 50 points with the time he had!
This was a pityfully coached game and that’s what they need to realize and change from play-not-to-lose to grow-a-pair-and-play-to-win for the rest of the season.
T.C
September 28th, 2009
1:45 pm
Man the falcons are just sorry. since 1966 people have been making excuses for this team.Get a real defensive coordinator someone who can be creative and not just play base D-fence,then maybe and thats just a maybe they can win.Good teams who win the big games have and play DEFENCE.
MATT WOULD WET HIS PANTS WITHOUT TURNER
September 28th, 2009
1:46 pm
2008 1,699 YARDS
This bum for a quarterback doesn’t have an NFL arm like the 2nd year qb for the Ravens. He already has 2 300 yard games and are 3-0 and he doesn’t have a pro bowl receiver, back or tight end.
mountain_jim
September 28th, 2009
1:47 pm
I meant shutdown of Gonzo
MATT WOULD WET HIS PANTS WITHOUT TURNER
September 28th, 2009
1:49 pm
The Saints have a better offense and defense, it’s going to be a massacre!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Steve Jones
September 28th, 2009
1:51 pm
There seems to be a lot of blame on play calling and I must agree that the play calling has been dissapointing at times. When we have a 3rd and short I’ve seen too many rollouts to the right. Why not stretch the field w/ all the weapons we have? I feel Mularkey has performed at best, par level performance and needs to start calling more appropriate plays that fit this explosive offensive. Enough of the conservative play calling! Also, bench Jamal Anderson! He is a bust! What’s his trade value right now?
Falcfan
September 28th, 2009
1:53 pm
DOL- 3 questions for smitty
1 why the lack of blitz pressure on Brady when it was clearly effective the week before?
2 why are we not throwing downfield at all with Roddy? He was clearly at his best last year on intermediate to deep routes.
3 when are we going to see Tye Hill? And don’t let him give you the we are teaching him the defense response- it’s been 5 weeks so we should be seeing him on quite a few of the defensive snaps.
Falcfan
September 28th, 2009
1:58 pm
Blord- that’s a great question. I was wondering the same thing myself. The great thing is with DeCoud playing so well Moore can make sure his hammy completely heals before coming back. Hammy’s can cause issues over a career if they don’t heal properly. It will be interesting to see what they do with him though.
wxwax
September 28th, 2009
2:06 pm
MrHughes, I disagree that the defense played well. Brady was not really pressured. He missed a number of throws that he would normally expect to make. I think New England stopped themselves and I think the Falcons were spectators.
Mark, I wonder if in their effort to become a more diversified offense, the Falcons forgot their basic identity? Seems to me they’ve been trying to execute a balanced attack. And no-one complained about the absence of run-heavy play calling when they were winning.
But losses always force you to self-examine. And maybe the Falcons will decide they need to return to the tough-guy, bare-knuckle running game that is supposed to be their identity. Given his heavy workload last year, I was glad to see Turner get fewer carries this season. But the vacation may be over. Perhaps it’s time for Turner to strap on the harness and pull the offense again.
MrHughes, that’s an interesting comment about Ryan not being accurate on deep throws. I’m not sure I agree. but I’ll certainly be watching with a more critical eye from now on.
jcatl
September 28th, 2009
2:06 pm
The officiating yesterday was horrible, especially in the first half.
In the second half, on the TD that was called back, the play before where Jenkins made a long catch he was mugged but . . . no call.
So, two plays in a row Jenkins is beating his man, but the Falcons never went back to that play. I got the feeling we were playing not to get hurt yesterday . . .
cutter
September 28th, 2009
2:10 pm
Chris Houston is not a football player he may be a very good athlete but he is too soft in the run game and has no awareness in pass coverage. On one play the RB was running to his side and he ducked down and held his head down until the player run by then he slapped the down like he was upset he didn’t make the tackle. He guesses to much in coverage, several times when the WR was about to make his move Houston would open his hips guessing which way the WR was going and was wrong every time. Look if someone were paying me what he is getting paid to play I would play until they chased me off the field. So I guess that’s what needs to happen. If Tye Hill is ready to go I see Houston getting benched and eventually traded or released. Definitely not re-signed, Smitty knows he’s garbage he’s just waiting for Hill to learn the defense. Brent Grimes….cute kid but to soft for this league. Jamal Anderson again just to soft. If we don’t improve the DT position with a proven veteran this will be a long season. Trey Lewis is garbage plain and simple he was getting thrown all over the field Sunday and Thomas Johnson …well I mean this guy just doesn’t have the talent to start in this league period. You can’t expect an undrafted guy who did not even play football last year and who only has about 20 tackles to his name to come in and be productive as a starter. The 2nd string DT’s need to be proven veteran guys not two guys who have not even played football the last couple of years and when they did play it was not at a high level. Everybody is not gonna be the diamond in the rough like Dahl and Clabo. I hesitate to call our corners too small because there are very good corners in the NFL that are about the size of Houston and Grimes. Grimes and Houston lack the physical and mental toughness needed to be productive in this league. For some reason no matter who coaches this team and no matter who owns the team the philosophy has always been using small guys and playing a finese game. When the Falcons change and start playing smash mouth football maybe things will change.
JT
September 28th, 2009
2:11 pm
I cincur with your assessment, and so should Coach Smith, it’s kind of a no brainer. New Englad showed so little respect for the Falsons defense, they went for a 4th and 1 and their OWN 24 YARD LINE! And converted it!!!!…..now that’s NO RESPECT or FEAR of the defense. We gotta step it up, we don’t tackle that well, it seems. Can you say GRADY JACKSON!!!!!!!!!!!
hatfieldgeoff
September 28th, 2009
2:12 pm
where is the NFL digging up these officials. I couldn’t beleive it when Ryan’s pass was batted down and even the people in the cheap seat in Foxboro could see it, but the officials let it go, called it a fumble and gave NE a TD. Falcons had to challenge the play to get it reversed. And then, after the usual 5 minutes of wasted time, the A**Clown Referee cut on his microphone and says the quarterback’s arm was moving forward and they were reversing the call, as if it was a close play that took a great deal of observation and study to determine. The ball traveled 4 yards in the air after it left his hand, talk about CYA. I hope the Falcons make a case to the NFL offices because their is no way 6 officials should miss that. They need to cull some of those idiots out of the ranks.
Wanda
September 28th, 2009
2:14 pm
They should be passing to Gonzales. I only heard his name 1 or 2 times yesterday. Whats the deal.
What about blitzing the QB. Brady had all the time in the world. Come on Falcon’s don’t let us down.
hatfieldgeoff
September 28th, 2009
2:18 pm
Hey, Mr. Hughes,
You are right the defense was on the field twice as much as the offense. That is because they could not get NE off the field. Patriots had 4 drives of more than 10 plays. If you noticed we didn’t punt much because we didn’t have the ball. NE ran on us passed on us and did whatever they wanted. If Brady had had an average day they would have scored 3 more touchdowns. Falcons defense is weak. Losing Jerry hurt but even with him they would not have been much better. Offense should have performed better but defense is going to be bad until they get another draft and 1 or 2 more free agents in the mix.
FHZ
September 28th, 2009
2:21 pm
If Trey Lewis cannot stuff the run at NT, then The Falcons will be in for a long season against the run.. He was their last hope there.. The other Defensive Tackles seem more like UTs…and pass rusher who can’t get to the opposing QB.
I also believe teams of this schedule.. these good teams.. have film/DVD on this defensive scheme now.
The only thing that they can do is start Hill abd Sidbury.
…Maybe “Rotation” is not a good thing more the D-Line. It might be good to let these guys warm-up a bit before yanking ‘em. The LBs can become used to their play upfront.
Running Game:
The O-Line cannot be tweaked until the offseason..
Snelling is ready.
Split Norwood out at WR.
He is their fastest WR and quick strike/ deep threat (and he is a RB)..
Put Norwood in the slot.. Send him in-motion (behind TE Gonzalez).
Force opposing CBs to tackle him.
David
September 28th, 2009
2:25 pm
Finally everyone sees MV7 get in the game for the Eagles. Same story. Hopefully no one will post that we should have kept that loser again. I think the Pats loss comes down to one thing… if we were able to get to Brady more quickly (or at all)… I think the game would have changed dramatically. He really had all day, and he will find a way to beat us when that happens. Sure Turner fumbled the ball on what looked to be a key drive for us… but we also had other opportunities.
One more thing. If “holdout” Roddy drops another ball, we should ship him to Philly with the loser.
FHZ
September 28th, 2009
2:29 pm
3rd and 4th Down:
Jamaal Anderson to DT next to Babineaux
Move Abraham around a bit..
More Sidbury.
Put him at OLB sometimes too next to DE Abraham.. Blitz him up the middle..
Some 5 D-Line fronts..
Drop DE/DT Jamaal Anderson into coverage form the DT position.. Stand him up..
At 6′7″, he should obstruct an opposing QB’s view some
bg
September 28th, 2009
2:29 pm
Third quarter, down 16-10, Falcons facing a fourth down and three to go INSIDE the 40 and punting lost the game. Assume we don’t make the first down: New England has a shorter field … but as it was they drove for another score anyway. Assume we DO make the first down and can get in the end zone on that drive: Falcons are up 17-16 instead of being down two scores. NOT going for it handed the game over to New England on a silver platter.
Stat Man
September 28th, 2009
2:29 pm
Mising Jerry already – but injuries are a part of the NFL.
My biggest concerns are:
(1) I just don’t have the confidence in Turner that most do. I’m certainly not saying he’s a problem, but take away games from the 3 worst teams in the NFL last year (Lions, Rams & Chiefs) and he only had a 3.8 YPC average. That’s NOT anything to brag about. He also was held to 70 or fewer yards in 6 games last year and 2 of 3 this year, so that means 8 of his last 18 games, he was basically a “non-factor”. The Birds are 3-5 in those 8 games. That’s a little more of a trend than I’d like.
(2) It’s scary that any team (Patriots included) can devise a game plan to take away BOTH of our top offensive weapons (Turner & Gonzo) – the coordinators need to use this week to get something accomplished so that other teams can’t pattern what the Pats did. You have to remember – the schedule makers did us no favors this year as we play FOUR teams coming off their bye week. That’s four games a team will have 2 weeks to prepare for us and if we get too predictible on offense – we are in big trouble.
Oh yea, and the sooner they just flat cut Anderson, the better. This stiff has 3 tackles in 3 games and single handedly gave the Pats 3 points yesterday with his stupid roughing penalty. One point allowed for every tackle made? This guy is making the Andre Bruce draft pick look great!
Keepin it 100
September 28th, 2009
2:34 pm
WHAT THEY NEED TO DO IS GET BIGGER CORNER BACKS!!! #20 IS LIKE 5′9 AND RANDY MOSS IS LIKE 6′5 HE BEAT HIM ALL DAY!!! THE SECONDARY NEEDS TO GET BETTER!!! & GET TONY G & RODDY WHITE DA BALL!!!
Keepin it 100
September 28th, 2009
2:34 pm
WHAT THEY NEED TO DO IS GET BIGGER CORNER BACKS!!! #20 IS LIKE 5′9 AND RANDY MOSS IS LIKE 6′5 HE BEAT HIM ALL DAY!!! THE SECONDARY NEEDS TO GET BETTER!!! & GET TONY G & RODDY WHITE DA BALL!!! YA FEEL ME
MV77777
September 28th, 2009
2:35 pm
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Bull butter
September 28th, 2009
2:37 pm
I still think its coaching.The team lacked fire and motivation,and thats the coach’es job.The game plan sucked and that falls on the coach’es.Can’t explain the refs calls or the inability of the coach’es to adjust to whats was going on.The saints may well runaway with the division.
gxseymeru
September 28th, 2009
2:37 pm
boooooop!
loel
September 28th, 2009
2:39 pm
are you all nuts?. A few calls the other way and the Falcons win the game,,,yes even against the New England.
Cheryl S
September 28th, 2009
2:40 pm
Was it because we, the fans, expected nothing of the Falcons last year that they did so well? No pressure? This year we expect a lot and they are playing like we expected them to play last year. What happened? Why isn’t Ryan throwing many long passes anymore? It seems like they’re all little 3 to 5 yard passes. We need something big to happen on first downs, instead of small 1, 2, and 3 yard gains.
Come on, Birds, you can do it!
D. Orlando Ledbetter
September 28th, 2009
2:44 pm
STAT MAN: Nice job the Turner breakdown.
Stat Man
September 28th, 2009
2:45 pm
Not a problem – thanks for the call out!
**Frederick(Bailey)Douglass**
September 28th, 2009
2:47 pm
Questions for somebody in Flowery Branch that is getting paid for this stuff:
(1) What determines our decision to throw the deep ball? Does Ryan have a shoulder problem that prevents up from stretching the D?
(2) Why don’t we use Snelling more? He has shown that he can run, catch and block. Why did he get only one carry?
(3) Where is William Moore in terms of availability? What about Chevis Jackson?
(4) Third down are money downs. Why would we EVER limit the field by calling a planned rollout?
D. Orlando Ledbetter
September 28th, 2009
2:47 pm
bg: It was fourth and 5 on New England’s 38.
D. Orlando Ledbetter
September 28th, 2009
2:53 pm
FalcFan: Got your questions.
E43
September 28th, 2009
2:57 pm
to the anti falcons DB clan… the front office knows what their doing. development of the players comes only with time. theyre actually playing well they were very much in position in all 3 games, everything else will develop just be patient. Michael Turner needs to turn it up and i bet he will soon. the falcons havent clicked as a team yet but they will sooner or later and you can count on it.
D. Orlando Ledbetter
September 28th, 2009
2:58 pm
FDB: Got your questions. 1. Nothing wrong with Ryan’s shoulder. Where did you get that from? 2. Moore Snelling? 3. Moore. Chevis got beat out by Brian Williams. 4) The roll out was a blitz read, to roll away from the fire zone. At least that was the read.
FemaleFalconsFan
September 28th, 2009
3:03 pm
Michael Turner is a one-trick pony & his act is old!
FalcFan
September 28th, 2009
3:04 pm
DOL- thanks! I’m interested to hear what Smitty has to say about the game. And I don’t know if you get to talk to Brian Van Gorder, but if you get the chance, ask him about the adjustments he made to stop the Pats- it was obvious they (the Pats) came with a different gameplan than what we expected, but I didn’t see any adjustments made to try to counteract what they were doing. Just throwing that out there.
supa
September 28th, 2009
3:09 pm
Good post. I agree with your fixes as well. Pass rush is key. They need to try some new blitzes. Brady had way too much time yesterday. He missed a lot of passes; otherwise, NE could have easily put up 35+ points.
Great Falconi
September 28th, 2009
3:13 pm
I’d like to see more vertical passing, but I do think we’re missing Norwood a lot. If you think about our players on offense, he’s the only guy with big-time speed. With Norwood out of the lineup, the offense definitely loses some of its explosiveness. Nevertheless, I wanted us to throw to Snelling a few more times yesterday. Spread the D out and hit the RB with a few passes for some easy gains. Even better, throw the ball to Turner once or twice a game. Mix it up. Don’t make it so easy for the defense.
On defense, I think the Falcons just brought the wrong game plan with them to Foxborough. You can’t sit back in coverage and simply dare Tom Brady to pick you apart. Remember that one incompletion Brady had in the end zone? You know, the one where someone got just a little pressure on him and he literally stumbled and fell as he was throwing the ball? Brady doesn’t want anyone near him. He’s gun-shy. I saw him do the same thing against the Jets. We didn’t exploit his fear. Everyone respects what Tom Brady has done in the league, but no one should respect him quite as much as we did.
It is always better to go down with guns blazing than to holster the guns and live to fight another day. We don’t play the Pats again. We won’t get another shot. We should have taken our best shot yesterday.
E43
September 28th, 2009
3:17 pm
MV7 i dont know which games your watching but matt ryan has a bout a 100 qb rating and 65% completed passes.
Fredrick(bailey)douglas-
1)we dont have blazing fast receivers. its risky to put the ball down field in a close game, he does it occasionally but our wrs dont seperate long enough. roddy is fast but not deep ball threat fast just NFL fast
2)snelling will be used if we can depending on if were playing form behind or not and the score if we have a 3td lead i bet youll c him.
3)william moore wont start this year unless decoud gets hurt itll mess up the flow at Safety. chevis is will probably see time in quarter formations and special teams. coz with grimes coming to the outside and bwill going to the slot on 3rd down it gives him no options
4) its just play action, teams still prepare for the falcons based on tape from last year. the rollouts make the other D play honest.
CUTTER chris houston is not going to be replaced by tye hill. trust me its a downgrade. tye hill may repace grimes in the slot or chevis jackson in the quarter formation.
Billy whiteshoes- im also getting impatient with J Anderson. but if the coaches see something then im all for them.
Sautee
September 28th, 2009
3:28 pm
Get Norwood healthy and run the wheel route 5 -6 times per game. No linebacker, and VERY few safeties or nickel backs can possibly keep up. We had it and missed it against the Panthers. Milk that mismatch.
Oh and by the way, last year Ole Noodle Arm had completions of 70, 69, 67, 62, 59, 55, 47, 46, 38, 37 (twice), 32, and 30 (twice). How in the WORLD did he do it with such a weak arm? Must have gotten lucky.
14 times.
Oh yeah, and he would have had another 40 yarder or so in the Denver game but Roddy dropped a perfectly thrown ball in the end zone and cost us the game.
And yes, I know that they are trying to take what the D gives with these 5 yarders, but Mularkey is holding Ryan back. Stretch the dadgum field!
BigTimeTECHFan
September 28th, 2009
3:28 pm
Bench Lofton, He’s not cutting it, he’s always behind on the plays. We need a LB in the middle that can read the plays and be where the ball is all the time.
O-line need to open up more holes.
Moss was open a lot, brady missed him but DB’s did pretty good, most of the time we should have been at the QB by the time Moss got open. Need penetration up the middle, Brady just step up in the pocket, Abs’s was 5 years behind him most of the time, but if tackles would have had push that wouldn’t happen.
Dukester9
September 28th, 2009
3:39 pm
The falcons are an average team average to me is 6-10 to 9-7. They beat poor week 1 and and average team week 2. They got beat by a elite team yesterday. There are only 4 playmakers on this team 55,88,33 and 32. The falcons need to figure out away to make them work. O and the guys who think Matt Ryan is the reason for the recent falcons success. Look at our record when Turner rushes less than 25 times for less than a 100 yards.
MV77777
September 28th, 2009
3:41 pm
ITS FUNNY !!!! WHERE WAS THIS MODERATION THING WHEN YOU GUYS ON YOUR PITTBULL (DOG)TRIP???????????? LOL
Tony Gonsalves
September 28th, 2009
3:41 pm
Enter your comments here Hey Mr. Ledbetter, if your so smart and it was that easy why aren’t you a head coach in the NFL somewhere. I am a New England Patriots fan who happen to like the Falcons.
MV77777
September 28th, 2009
3:41 pm
WHATSUP AJC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Walt
September 28th, 2009
3:43 pm
Grimes and Houston are awful…..As is VanGorder..How many more weeks will it take for Smith to realize it?