Falcons predicted to finish 7-9 by “Outsiders”

BLOGCATIONVILLE — Headed for that last blog-cation before the season starts. Needed to get a few things for you all to nimble on.

Falcons QB Matt Ryan on winning and ESPY for Best Breakthrough Athlete. Show airs at 9 p.m. Sunday.

Falcons QB Matt Ryan won an ESPY for Best Breakthrough Athlete. Show airs at 9 p.m. Sunday.

Not everyone is predicting greatness for the Falcons in 2009.

The folks over at Football Outsiders Almanac 2009, are predicting more doom and gloom. In their eyes, the streak will reach 44 seasons. There will be no playoffs and someone’s pet is probably going to die.

In the publications’ eight page analysis of the Falcons, Rob Weintraub, a local free lancer and TV production worker, points out that over the last 30 years, 17 teams have improved by seven games — including the Falcons and Miami last season — but only the 1998 Jets under Duane Charles Parcells (some folks call him Bill) have improved the next season.

Those other 14 teams, wins decrease by an average for four. That would put the Falcons at 7-9 in 2009.

“Every other team has come back to the pack for various reasons,” Weintraub said. “It’s the NFL, parity rules.”

Part of the Falcons summary reads, “2009: That bar is set much higher, and the team is weighted down by almost certain regression.”

Here’s how they see the Falcons coming back to the pack:

THE DECLINE IN HEALTH: “The more statistical things that we’ve gone through point to injuries. The Falcons were a very healthy team last year. They were fifth-best in terms of our stats: man-games-missed by their starters.

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“We found that there is no correlation from year-to-year. Teams that stay healthy for one year don’t necessarily stay healthy the next year. In fact, teams will go backwards in that category.

“If you just have a couple of injuries to a couple of linemen, that could be overcome. Now, if Matt Ryan goes down in the second weak of the season, then the whole thing falls apart. There is a great deal of fortune involved.”

Falcons fans have been there. Check 1999, injuries to Jamal “Jam” Anderson not Jamaal “Sackmaster” Anderson and to Chris Chandler the year after going 14-2 and reaching the Super Bowl. That team went 5-11.

THE SCHEDULE: The Falcons don’t have the AFC West and the NFC Central to kick around. They have the AFC East and NFC East.

“The schedule is significantly more difficult,” Weintraub said.

THE CURSE OF 370: The Outsiders have come up with this “Curse of 370” notion.

Here’s how that works, only one running back – Eric Dickerson – has managed to stare down the Curse.

“Any running back who carries 370 times or more in a single season, there is a significant dropoff or injury the next season,” Weintraub said. “Eric Dickerson is the only guy who’s beat that.”

Eric Dickerson

Eric Dickerson

Micheal Turner had 394 carries for 1,742 yards in 17 games last season.

“You are talking about a very high probability that he’s going to experience a significant (dropoff) this year,” Weintraub said. “Now, it would behoove the Falcons greatly to ease off on his carries. They have Jerious Norwood, whom we love as a back.

“If they can establish a real combination back there, that could definitely offset some of the projected decline in Turner’s numbers.”

The great Dickerson went for 1,808 yards on 390 carries in 1983. He followed that up with 2,105 yards on 379 carries in 1984.

In 1988, Dickerson had 388 carries for 1,659 yards and in 1989 he had 1,311 yards on 314 carries.

Sadly, he was worn out at age 29. By the time he got to the Falcons in 1993, Dickerson could only muster 91 yards on 26 carries.

THE X- FACTOR: The Outsiders don’t know what to do with the addition of tight end Tony Gonzalez.

Tony and October Gonzalez

Tony and October Gonzalez

“We’ve never really had a projection to account for adding a hall of fame tight end, when your biggest need is tight end,” Weintraub said. “It’s obviously a plus, assuming he stays healthy and stays at the level he’s been at.

“He’s also defied all kinds of logic and projections that we’ve done. Our numbers have said they he was going to fall off for the last three years and he hasn’t. That’s a testimony to what a great all-time great player that he is.”

CAN RYAN WIN SHOOT OUTS?: The Outsiders ranks Ryan’s rookie season as the finest of any quarterback since the 1970 AFL-NFL merger.

“They may have to beat teams 35-31 every week,” Weintraub said. “That’s not a sustainable way to go to the playoffs. Now, it can be done, but I think they’ll need a better plan of attack.”

THE DEFENSE: In their regression analysis, more than 100 variables were looked at for each team. They had to consider the ensuing upheaval with replacing five starters on the defense.

“These guys could step up and play lights out,” Weintraub said. “Stephen Nicholas could turn out to be a Pro Bowl linebacker, we’ll see. But the trend over the last 15 years with teams putting (five or more) starters who have played so little into their starting defense, doesn’t bode well.”

CAVEAT: They still have to play the games.

“We projected the Falcons not to be good last year,” Weintraub said. “But (Matt Ryan) significantly out performed the trends. Surely, that can happen again. We certainly acknowledge that there are times when players step up and become superstars.”

IN SUMMATION: A lot has to happen for the Falcons to end that 43-year streak of never posting back-to-back winning seasons.

“Overall, they have a lot of trends, anchoring them and weighing them back to the pack this year,” Weintraub said. “Right now the numbers say they are going to take a step back.”

You can get the Football Outsiders Almanac 2009 off their website: www.footballoutsiders.com and print-on-demand copies from Amazon.com in late July.

D.LED’S UNOFFICIAL/BOOTLEG DEPTH CHART

Falcons need to line up Decatur's Keri Hilson to do the National Anthem to open the season.

MISS KERI BABY: Falcons need to line up Decatur's Keri Hilson to do the National Anthem to open the season.

Before we get to the depth chart, here are three campers to keep an eye on:

Rashad Bobino, Linebacker, 5-11, 230: Was a big thumper at middle linebacker for the Texas Longhorns. Made the Big 12 team three times. Check out his pro day workout.

Ryan Stanchek, Guard, 6-3, 305: Was a four-year starter at West Virginia. Was all-Big East in 2006 and 2008. Played left tackle in college. Got snubbed by the coaches in the all-conference voting last season.

Thomas Johnson, Defensive tackle, 6-2, 305: His name keeps popping up. Has been with three teams since coming out of Middle Tennessee in 2005. He hasn’t been able to stick with Dallas, Houston or the New York Jets. He made three starts with Houston in 2006.

THE DEPTH CHART

QUARTERBACK: Starter — Matt Ryan. Backups – 2. Chris Redman, 3. D.J. Shockley, and 4. John Parker Wilson.

RUNNING BACK: Starters — Michael Turner and Ovie Mughelli. Backups – 1. Jerious Norwood, 2. Jason Snelling, 3. Thomas Brown and 4. Verron Haynes.

WIDE RECEIVERS: Starters – Roddy White and Michael Jenkins. Backups – 1. Harry Douglas, 2. Brian Finneran, 3. Eric Weems, 4. Troy Bergeron, 5. Chandler Williams, 6. Aaron Kelly, 7. Darren Mougey and 8. Bradon Godfrey.

TIGHT ENDS: Starter – Tony Gonzalez. Backups – 1. Ben Hartsock, 2. Justin Peelle, 3. Keith Zinger and 4. Jason Rader.

OFFENSIVE LINE: Starters – LT Sam Baker, LG Justin Blalock, C Todd McClure, RG Harvey Dahl, RT Tyson Clabo. Backups – Center – 1. Brett Romberg, 2. Ben Wilkerson.
Guards – 1. Jeremy Newberry, 2. Romberg, 3. Wilkerson, 4. Ryan Stanchek, 5. Jose Valez.
Tackles – 1. Will Svitek, 2. Quinn Ojinnaka, 3. Garrent Reynolds, 4. Michael Butterworth.

Falcons All-Pro defensive end John Abraham.

Falcons All-Pro defensive end John Abraham.

DEFENSIVE LINE: Starters – RDE John Abraham, RT Peria Jerry, LT Jonathan Babineaux, LDE Chauncey Davis.
Backups DE – 1. Jamaal Anderson, 2. Kroy Biermann, 3. Lawrence Sidbury, 4. Willie Evans and 5. Maurice Lucas. DT – 1. Jamaal Anderson, 2. Trey Lewis, 3. Jason Jefferson, 4. Thomas Johnson, 5. Vance Walker, 6. Tywain Myles

LINEBACKERS:
Starters – WLB Michael Peterson, MLB Curtis Lofton, SLB Stephen Nicholas. Backups: 1. Coy Wire, 2. Edmond Miles, 3. Tony Gilbert, 4. Spencer Adkins, 5. Robert James, and 6. Rashad Bobino.

DEFENSIVE BACKS: LCB – Chris Owens, FS – Erik Coleman, SS – William Moore, RCB – Chris Houston. Backups – CB – 1. Chevis Jackson, 2. Brent Grimes, 3. William Middleton, 4. Von Hutchins, 5. David Irons (injured), 6. Glenn Sharpe, 7. Tony Tiller. S – 1. Thomas DeCoud, 2. Jamaal Fudge, 3. Antoine Harris, 4. Eric Brock.

SPECIAL TEAMS – KR – 1. Jerious Norwood, 2. Thomas Brown. PR – 1. Harry Douglas, 2. Brian Finneran. P – Michael Koenen. PK Jason Elam. LS – Mike Schneck.

The Countdown to Training Camp is winding down!

1,184 comments Add your comment

Daniel Bell

July 17th, 2009
10:30 am

The coaching staff is too good to allow a team with this much offensive talent go 7-9.

JJB

July 17th, 2009
10:59 am

I see that you have Chauncey Davis listed a starting LDE. Is that a known or projected move away from Jamaal Anderson as a starter?

Greg from Marietta

July 17th, 2009
11:08 am

Good article. Now lets bring on Training Camp.

SC

July 17th, 2009
11:16 am

I always laugh when I see tougher schedule listed. First, in this league you never know what team will come out of nowhere and be good and vice-versa. So what looks like an easy or tough game may in fact be the opposite. Second, the goal is to win the division and everyone in our division plays the same schedule except for two games.

Falcondore

July 17th, 2009
11:16 am

As far as the schedule goes, a projection of 7-9 is playing it “safe”. That’s essentially saying that we can’t steal at least one from the Patriots, Giants, Eagles, Cowboys or Redskins and that we split all of our NFC South Games. While I acknowledge that the schedule is tougher, we could just as easily go 10-6 as 7-9 because we’re not going to get blown out in any of those games.

All in all, trend analysis is wishy washy. The 370 factor, while an impressive statistic, cannot by its nature be a bright-line rule. It fails to take into account an individual’s conditioning and body-type. While it is a notable “trend”, it is still only a trend.

Injuries are part of the game. That’s why you develop depth at every position and you hire good coaches, it mitigates the damage of losing a starter. Furthermore, they occur on a relatively random basis. Anyone can get hurt, but to say that teams that are healthy one year suddenly have a “trend” of getting hurt the next is pure guesswork.

Obviously they have to include a caveat, because the odds are just as good that the Falcons can win 10 games.

Finally, drawing the line on their statistic for teams that improved by 7 games and didn’t improve the next year is fairly arbitrary. You have to look at improvement along a much longer period. New England went 5-11 in 2000, won the Super Bowl in 2001 with 11 wins, went 9-7 the next year, and hasn’t been below double-digits in wins since. It’s real easy to establish that teams don’t have a “trend” of improving across a two-year period.

The history part, well, even though the evidence is against me, I don’t buy that teams are cursed, I buy that teams don’t adapt. In this case, I think this team adapts, and I can’t wait to see it on the field.

The whole point of this diatribe is that we can’t let articles like this rain on our optimism. Sure, we should temper our expectations (we’re not going to get 12 wins next year with our schedule). But games are a collaboration of tons of random events that could just as easily break our way as our opponents way.

Greg from Marietta

July 17th, 2009
11:26 am

D’Led, Keri Hilson is HOT!

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July 17th, 2009
11:40 am

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Falcondore

July 17th, 2009
11:44 am

And one more comment. The Falcons are going to do everything they can to ensure this offense is balanced. Clock control is their strategy. It’s only going to come down to a shootout if we are behind and need to catch up in a bad way. So to say “they need a better plan of attack,” well, they’ve got one. And we’ve already established that T-Gon is going to get less looks in terms of catches and more use for blocking, but the key stat that having T-Gon will boost us: RED ZONE TDs.

VICK SUPPORTER 2

July 17th, 2009
11:50 am

OUCH – THAT’S GOTTA HURT :)

THE ESPY GUY CAN’T GET 8 WINS :)

AGTFan

July 17th, 2009
12:01 pm

The Outsiders added a veneer of logic to the fear lurking in the back of every Falcon Fan’s mind. While I see plenty of reasons to believe that this team is better than last years on both sides of the ball, that fear isn’t going to actually go away until they get the 9th win in the upcoming season.

Dogbyte

July 17th, 2009
12:24 pm

That’s why they play the games.

jason

July 17th, 2009
12:25 pm

D3, I sent you an e-mail in response to your post about BVG, and our DAWGS. Check it out.

Mike is back

July 17th, 2009
12:40 pm

I agree with Daniel…the veteran laden coaching staff will offset the youth and exuberance of the young guys. Plus, the Falcons are more than capable of putting up thirty points with the addition of Gonzales. With the addition of speed on defense and addition of Gonzo on offense…the Falcons should be a fun team to watch this season….those guys are looking backwards…I’m looking forward and I like the direction of this team is headed.

GO BIRDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cameron

July 17th, 2009
12:43 pm

D-Led:

You have Chauncey Davis starting at LE and J Anderson at backup DT. Is that you speculating, or has the team confirmed that?

Greg from Marietta

July 17th, 2009
12:56 pm

I don’t understand why everyone is paying any attention to these prognosticators. Wasn’t it a year ago when the “Ones who know all” were predicting that the Falcons would be fortunate to be 1-11? I look at it this way; Opinions are like a certain necessary body part – everyone’s got one. There are to many variables that can determine a teams success or failure during a season. So let’s just wait until the games are played and let the wins fall where they may and forget about these “Predictions”. Heck, if these guys were really any good about predicting things why hasn’t any of then won the lottery??? Think about that.

rob

July 17th, 2009
1:06 pm

What do all these so called football experts know anyway…The game is played on the field, not on paper or in someone’s mind..11-5.. Mark it down..

Wabe

July 17th, 2009
1:15 pm

The defensive side of the ball is looking a bit questionable, therefore, going into this season, you have to be thinking RUN! RUN! RUN!

I think Coach Mike Smith and his staff understand exactly what they’re working with, and therefore understand that the offense can’t go out there and just toss the ball around 40 times a game. If you wanna see results of what would happen, just go look at the Saint’s last season. They’re rushing attack wasn’t spectacular by any means, but neither was their defense – and if you have a skeptical defense – it’s best to try and keep the time they spend on the field limited (TIME OF POSSESSION)!

With that being said, I think we’re going to find out a lot about Matt Ryan AND Michael Turner this upcoming season. Turner was spectacular last season, but if you go back and look up his stats against top-notch defenses, his #’s weren’t as great. Looking at this season’s schedule, it’ll be interesting to see if he can stay consistent week after week. Same deal with Ryan, he struggled against Tampa and Philly when we played those two teams last season, so this season will be a real test to see how he stacks up against SOLID DEFENSES.

Personally, I don’t endorse Ledbetter’s prediction, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Falcons end at around 8-8 either. I think if they can take care of business within the division (SWEEP THE BUCS) + (SPLIT WITH CAROLINA + NO), they’ll be a team to look out for, NO DOUBT.

I’m predicting 9-7, the offense is looking too good on paper to not have a winning season.

USE THE PASS TO OPEN UP THE RUN – I know it’s typically the other way around, but with the addition of Gonzalez to the core of guys we already have out there, it will have defenses on their heels all season long!

Mike Smith knows what he’s doing, he doesn’t need any tips from a bum like me…

Chattanooga Chuck

July 17th, 2009
1:32 pm

Even if the 7-9 prediction were to come true, the long term trend should be going up. I haven’t felt this optimistic since the false spring of the 1980 season. The Falcons finally have the top to bottom ingredients for longterm success; a committed owner, an astute front office, an competent coaching staff, and an improving talent base, led by an emerging frachise quarterback.

jason

July 17th, 2009
1:41 pm

We are all getting caught up drinking the Kool-Aid. I said before and will stand by my 10-6 matk. But these will be a tough 10 wins to get. We will run the ball. I am thinking 60/40 run/pass. We have to protect the young defense at least through the earlier part of the schedule. Long sustained 10+ play drives coupled with EXCELLENT directional punts will provide the defense to make plays. 10+ play 80-90 yd. drives hard to do at the NFL level. The key for the defense is to allow only 3 points rather tthan 7. I think our D can do that if supplemented by the O and ST.

Wabe

July 17th, 2009
1:45 pm

I apologize, I misunderstood, I thought Ledbetter predicted the Falcons to go 7-9.

Solid opponents week in and week out…
4 opponents after they’ve had their bye weeks (2 weeks to prepare)…
2 primetime games.

!!!!!!!!!!!!! CANT WAIT FOR THE SEASON TO GET GOING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EJ

July 17th, 2009
1:49 pm

Are these the same “experts” that predicted that the Falcons would go 4-12 last year??!!

jason

July 17th, 2009
1:51 pm

I don’t agree with the 7-9 prediction, but I get why they feel that way. ATL did alot of things last season that noone would have imagined. Most would think that ATL would come back down to Earth some, given the replacement of 5 defensive starters, coupled with possible wear and tear on Turner. Follow the above post as to how we can protect the defense. Now, add to the offense Gonzo and more touches to Norwood and Snelling. Those 3 players will take some of the work load off of Turner and also let Ryan develope even further as a NFL QB.

Falcondore

July 17th, 2009
2:11 pm

Jason, and the other great thing about Gonzo is, he forces defenses to spread the field. You can’t load 8 in the box on us anymore with him lurking around. He may not get numbers like he did in KC, but he will force teams to pay him some attention, or they will get burned. And that quite simply is huge for Turner. You want to load 8 in the box and bring blitzes, you can dump it to Gonzo all day long.

jason

July 17th, 2009
2:16 pm

Falcondore, True, you could run Gonzo on a route as a decoy, and then run a draw with Turner to the spot vacated by the LB in pass coverage. Gonzo will bring more than just catching and blocking. You will have to take notice of where he is; if you are the defense (OLB).

WR

July 17th, 2009
2:21 pm

Wow, can I say that again, WOW, if D3 fires back at you, you know you are in a competitive league, alright D3 you got my attention, I expected some trash talk from Seminole but when you fire back I know its on. Can’t even imagine what Stirg is going to be like, its cool though, just gotta bring my B game now and I have to consider bringing out the A game, but as thou shalt not run, thou shall be bent over.

Well D-Led what did you expect, until the birds show the world that they are for real you will continue to have doubters. With hopes as high as ever I have my doubts, kind of been trained that way if you get my drift. But, truly I believe the doubts will be put to an end, the birds will overcome all doubt and the birds will validate our commitment and struggles to believe.

Southside Falcon

July 17th, 2009
2:21 pm

FalconDore is A GENIUS and just knowledge bowled the football outsiders

Bubba

July 17th, 2009
2:23 pm

The key to success – or failure – for this team will be attitude. The Falcons have never had back-to-backs in large part because of team attitude. The “here-we-go-again” mentality permeates this organization. Too many times, when the going get’s tough, the tough get going. Straight to the locker room to start the b**** session that ultimately leads to a huge personnel change and a whole new “rebuilding” process.

That’s what Dimitroff and Smith were hired to change. You can’t blame it on the Smiths any more. You can’t blame it on the “style-no-substance” personae of Mora and McKay. If you want to achieve, you must first believe. The Patriots won without Brady. They believed. That’s what Dimitroff was hired to do, bring the “believe” attitude. That’s what’s gonna give us back-to-back winning seasons.

Falcondore

July 17th, 2009
2:27 pm

Ryan will find that open man too. He’s proven that when he’s on he can make 4 reads quickly, which is invaluable when you’re being blitzed. Gonzo really adds an invaluable outlet and removes so much pressure on the offense on 1st-3rd down. This offense isn’t going to try to kill you with scoring, they’re going to kill you by holding on to the ball the whole game. And I can’t wait to see it.

jason

July 17th, 2009
2:27 pm

WR, The second paragraph in your post says it all. ATL has to have back to back winning seasons. That is the first step. Until then, we will get no respect. And like you, I have those same diubts in my mind. We know we have a really good team; I am waiting on that significant injry to come along and derail everything (Jamaal Anderson RB). Knock on wood, I hope to be waiting long past this season.

jason

July 17th, 2009
2:29 pm

Falcondore, Don’t forget Norwood out of the backfield as an outlet. I see him more of a recieving threat this year.

Falcondore

July 17th, 2009
2:44 pm

How could I forget Norwood out of the backfield? You have lightning in a bottle with him in open space.

We definitely have to get the monkey off our backs with the back-to-back winning seasons. It means that even a 9-7 record will result in a successful year.

Like I said about injuries, they’re part of the game. That’s why you build depth and have good coaching, so you can mitigate the loss of a good player. They are going to happen, sometimes you’ll be lucky to escape free and clear, sometimes you won’t. But worrying about injuries is like worrying about rain a month from now, you gotta go in knowing that it can happen, and be prepared when it does happen.

Don’t underestimate the moves TD has been making to build depth on the roster, or the fact that he has picked players who are very versatile and can play multiple positions.

2009 NFC Predictions

July 17th, 2009
2:45 pm

jason

July 17th, 2009
2:47 pm

Good point, but on every team you have a pivotal player that you cannot afford to be without for a period of time. ATL would be Ryan on offense. I like the moves that TD has made, we just need to get em coached up and some game experience so they will be ready when called upon.

confederated sports teams in Atlanta

July 17th, 2009
2:58 pm

no matter how good your offence is , if you don’t have a defence you will lose. 7-9 is to good more like 6-10 if that. A lot of people in Atlanta has always been offense minded. that why you will lose defense is how you win in the NFL. look at new Orlean they have pure offense and no D but do they win no!! loseville still

Michael Turner

July 17th, 2009
2:58 pm

If Matty Ice gets injured, do you think we can find anybody to hand the ball off to me? It’s really hard to find a qb who can hand the ball off and watch me chew up the yardage.

confederated sports teams in Atlanta

July 17th, 2009
3:01 pm

QB is still the weak link watch and see Falcon fans!

Wabe

July 17th, 2009
3:10 pm

Just take a look at the first couple weeks of the season:

Week 1 vs Miami

Week 2 vs Carolina

Week 3 AT NE

Week 4 – BYE

Week 5 vs SF

Week 6 vs Chicago

Through 6 weeks, the Falcons only play 1 game on the road. I could honestly see them at 4-1 through Week 6, the lone loss being at NE. You probably think I’m on the Kool-Aid, but to those of you who see the Falcons winning 10 games, they’ll never do that if they don’t take advantage of this early ‘homestand’. The schedule really gets to be a “toss up” from week 6 on out.

jason

July 17th, 2009
3:15 pm

Wabe, That is true, and so key. I think N.E> will be our only loss out of the first 6 also. And that will be a close loss.

Bad News

July 17th, 2009
3:42 pm

This season is doomed before the week 4 bye:

Week 1 vs Miami …… will be wild cat to death

Week 2 vs Carolina …. best backfield tandom in NFL + Smith

Week 3 AT NE ….. total blow out

Week 4 – BYE

Week 5 vs SF …… too much Gore

Week 6 vs Chicago…. Cutler will destroy you

Once again, maybe next year!

jake

July 17th, 2009
3:44 pm

confederated sports teams in Atlanta- how is QBa weak link?????????

Trey

July 17th, 2009
3:55 pm

Chauncey is the best in the business. The Falcons would be wise to start a pro that delivers. Look out for Davis this year. Big things!

jason

July 17th, 2009
3:57 pm

Don’t take the bait….

Falcondore

July 17th, 2009
4:20 pm

Obviously the schedule is brutal because we pick up the NFC East and the AFC East, but I think Wabe is right on when he notes that huge homestand. We were 7-1 last year at the Dome. That’s nothing to scoff at, it’s tough to play well in there because it gets loud, and will only be louder now that the excitement is back. All the teams we play in those first six weeks with the exception of New England and Carolina are teams with just as many question marks. If we can take care of business at home against Miami, Carolina, and Chicago, and pick up a west coast win against San Fran, we’ll be sitting awfully pretty.

Also, on the homestand note, we do play Dallas and the Giants on the road, but we get Philadelphia at home next year which is huge. And it’s actually a huge plus that we get the Bills at home this year, as I think they’ll end up being stronger than the Jets.

Mike is back

July 17th, 2009
4:28 pm

I think the improved speed on Defense will be the surprise this year. That’s all Coach Smith is talking about…sure there will be some growing pains…but everywhere Smith has coached he has had a stout Defense…I expect the same for the Birds.

I’m looking for someone to get BLOWED THE F UP when they run that ball or go over the middle for a pass this season. Peria Jerry and Lawrence Sidbury are very intriguing addition…both has the potential to make major contribution immediately…that should help with our run defense and pass rushing. Save for the lost of Foxworthy…I think the defense got better…even though we got younger.

Mike is back

July 17th, 2009
4:33 pm

Well, I will admit that replacing Malloy will difficult too. Still like our chances though.

falcondawg

July 17th, 2009
4:44 pm

Let’s get it started!!!

falcondawg

July 17th, 2009
4:46 pm

Not so sure losing Malloy will hurt us that much. He had lost so much last year. His greatest contribution was his leadership and experience that he displayed to the youngsters.

Sarah B

July 17th, 2009
4:56 pm

WR I’m not exactly an Angel either. You better bring it!!!

And yes 11-5, Gonzo, more Norwood, long drives are the key.

jason

July 17th, 2009
4:57 pm

falcondawg, True. His fate was sealed in that playoff loss to Arizona. TD and Smitty knew that they had to gey younger and faster at that position going ahead.

jason

July 17th, 2009
4:57 pm

Sarah B, any word on the date of the Fantasy Draft.

Sarah B

July 17th, 2009
5:03 pm

I think we should draft after the 3rd pre-season so we can all see some of the rookies do their thing. There could be another Eddie Royal or Steve Slaten out there.

jason

July 17th, 2009
5:04 pm

Sounds good to me.

doo mauh mauh maunz

July 17th, 2009
5:14 pm

Week 1: Vick’s watching the Falcons from his livingroom

Week 2: see above

Week 3: see above

Week 4: Watching the Panthers from his livingroom

Week 5: Watching the Falcons from his livingroom wishing he was a QB
like Matt Ryan

Week 6: see above

D. ORLANDO LEDBETTER

July 17th, 2009
5:39 pm

JJB: Projected move. That’s why I called it the bootleg depth chart.

Greg from Marietta: Oh yeah! Miss Hilson is a rising star from the Dec!

Cameron: See above.

Seminole Warrior

July 17th, 2009
5:58 pm

This is repeat portion of a discussion Stirg and I had earlier in the week about the forecasted record of our beloved Falcons. I would add that based on info from Jason and D3, I’m going to assume that BVG will bring the aggression he is supposedly noted for to our scheme. That being said, I still stand by these comments I posted earlier in the week. Bare with me:

I love my Birds. As you and the core posse know, I love Smitty. I love the Sugar Bear. But in BVG, my trust is still evolving. We will be VERY young on the defensive side of the ball this season. STRONG leadership will be needed from Coleman, Babs, and Abe. The schedule is not forgiving my friend this season. While we are fast on defense, we are also smaller in some regards. We will need to be very aggressive. Our schedule pits us against some to the best running teams in the league. Twice we face Carolina who is always a beast running the rock. Any Parcels-related team will run. The Bears, Giants, and Eagles will run. So I worry about run defense. Our LB corps(Nicholas, Lofton, and James, I hope) will be faster this year. That is key for I want to see more of a Tampa 2 style and speed is key in that scheme. Peterson is a band-aid in there just for experience. Wire can play but I prefer his special teams leadership. Upfront, I’m truly hoping that Trey Lewis is back to full strength; loved what I saw from him a few years back. We will have to grow up FAST on defense. I’m not saying we can’t but let’s say I am being cautious. The other facet I am looking at was a point well made by Lady Sarah. There is no way we will avoid the injury bug like we did last season. I certainly would hope we could but it’s not realistic. Perry and Abe have histories of minor injuries that seem to just nag and nag. I like the depth we have in Biermann and Davis, but Bierman is still evolving. I believe in the Sugar Bear, so per instructions from Unca Bob and D3, I’m giving Jamaal this year to put it all together but my heart really wants to give Davis a full season to see what he can do at DE. Also, I want to see what the revised secondary does. Owens seems to be real, Hutchins seems to be determined to get back in the fold, and I’m eager to see the rotation of DeCoud, Coleman, and Moore in action. If there was ever a time to set up his game, now is it for Houston and I think he will. Smitty did a masterful job across the board last season and I do trust. Offensively, we are in tact with no issues in my opinion except locking up the nucleas of the O-Line as soon as we can. One year deals with Dahl and Clabo need to become long term deals ASAP. Same next year with Blalock as a RFA. Again, I will trust in TD and Smitty.

So my brother Strig, it is with that backdrop that I predict the 9-7 finish and a second place finish in the division. As much as it hurts, I think the dreaded Saints will finish one game ahead of us with the Alleycats (aka Panthers) in third at 8-8. Tampa brings up the rear.

This is an ongoing mission. Trust me, I have full faith that we will have our Lombardi parade down Peachtree. I promise that I will stand tall with you my brother as well as all out posse family on that day. My heart tells me that we will continue to grow, we will play hard and be in contention until Jan. 3 at Tampa, and that in the end, the league and the world will have a new, permanent respect for the Falcon Nation.

Seminole Warrior

July 17th, 2009
6:04 pm

Lady Sarah, it looks like you, me and D3 have made WR nervous. That Rambling Wreck seems to be in reverse now…LOL.

I agree with you on the draft being the 3rd week of the preseason. That give you plenty of scouting time for free agency, trades, etc.

VICK SUPPORTER 2

July 17th, 2009
6:07 pm

DOO MAUH MAUH MAUNZ

THIS IS HILARIOUS!!

http://joecartoon.atom.com/videos/603-michael_vicks_plea

JUST TRYING TO SET THE RECORD SKR8!! :)

CBrass

July 17th, 2009
6:23 pm

I’m really not one to make any predictions of any kind but I will say if we take care of business at home we will be fine. A 8-0/7-1 record at the Dome will make live much easier for the Birds.

Flo-Ri-Duh!

July 17th, 2009
6:35 pm

I don’t see the Falcons going 7-9 but that is not far off my projection of 8-8. They just don’t have a proven defense and the depth chart at LB, Corner and safety is not good.

doo mauh mauh maunz

July 17th, 2009
7:12 pm

Anybody want a little trivia?

-Who is the youngest Falcon qb of all time to win a playoff game?

-Who is the youngest Falcon qb of all time to win a playoff game on the road?

-Who is the youngest Falcon qb to play in the pro bowl?

-Who is the only Falcon qb to play in 3 pro bowls?

-Who is the only Falcon qb to finish 2nd in mvp voting?

-Who is the youngest Falcon qb to make to the championship game?

Hint: He was 21 years old and left handed.

Dean 21

July 17th, 2009
7:14 pm

Atlanta’s 44th training camp will begin Aug. 1, with select morning and afternoon practices open to the public. Admission is free.

Training Camp Practice (8:30 a.m.)
Date of Event: 8/1/2009
Time of Event: 8:30am

Russell Falcons Training Camp practice open to the public. Gates open one hour prior to the start of practice. Practice times are subject to change and/or cancellation based on the weather. Get up-to-date info on the AF.com homepage, by calling the Training Camp hotline (770-965-2752) or following the Falcons on Twitter.

Well Cagers, it’s time to see a show of hands (I’ll be there) for the August 1st gathering of our very first Bird Cage meeting at the Branch! It should be a whole lot of fun!

D3 has has informed us that Taco Mac is a close venue to choose afterwards for thirst quenching!

Hope to see you all at the Branch!

Seminole Warrior – I got your message on the previous blog, I’m sure you have your hands full enough, so although we would like to have you there on Sunday, you are needed in piece to facilitate the grill my friend!

doo mauh mauh maunz

July 17th, 2009
7:15 pm

-No Detroit

-No Kansas City

-No St Louis

-No Oakland

-No Denver

We will suck!

WR

July 17th, 2009
7:21 pm

The wheels are always turning on the Rambling wreck, so no matter what direction its headed in I advise you not to stand in the way.

Sarah, I had hoped that you would not get involved with the testosterone filled delusions of my fellow league members, but no, you don’t want me taking it easy on you, so in keeping with the theme of my team, you shall suffer the same fate, but we will leave the vaseline at home for you.

Seminole you are correct my friend, the cage will be unbelievable this year, we of course have the Falcons and we now have a bunch of also rans. I got to get back to the birds, but between D3, yourself, and now even Sarah talking trash, the cage should be hilarious this year, by the way why is everyone showing so much fear for an old rambling wreck.

Back to real football talk, I once again want to express my caution with this year’s version of the Falcons, but I’m caution because of the youth and inexperience of the D, not because of the supposedly tough schedule. It is why you play the game people, over a sixteen game schedule anything can happen, someone said it earlier and I agree, if you are going to beat the Falcons you better get them early, once the D starts to gel look for the birds to really take off. As far as injuries, its part of the game, h@ll where would Tom Brady be now if Drew Bledsoe had not gotten hurt. You can’t find a diamond without adding a little pressure.

Dean 21

July 17th, 2009
7:23 pm

Well, my take on the season is wide open right now. I’m not much on predications because a number of things can happen like who can remember the Dallas game with Jamaal going down. None of us saw that coming and the season went downhill from there. Injuries are apart of this game as we know, but the faith I have in this coaching staff is that actually “get it” which is why cross-training is so important to them. I for one don’t think injuries will make a huge difference to this team unless its Matty Ice, then we have to look at plan B which is what New England had to do and should have made the play-offs without the great Brady! It can happen, you just have to have the right system and our GM has come from a system that works well in this league. Have faith in this coaching staff because we surely have lacked a good coaching staff of late!!

doo mauh mauh maunz

July 17th, 2009
7:28 pm

Vegas says we will finish 8-8 and now this article says 7-9, what will the next guy say 6-10?

We spent 72-million for a clown who can’t win big games – what a joke. Joey Harrington was better. I mean even Roddy White had a 1,000 season before we paid all that money to the dumb qb who took 5 years to complete college – what a smart guy.

We are going to suck so bad!

We lose big Grady and we don’t even have enough money to sign the 1st round pick Jerry. Offenses like Carolina are going to run on us all day long.

JJ

July 17th, 2009
7:36 pm

WR, Love the trash talk about FF, although little unfair to our lady Sarah. It shows confidence, personality and heroism. I look forward to the cages 1st FF season. I’ve never played so I really cannot trash talk but it’s going to be fun! Are you related to Kyle Bush by chance? just kidding, bring it!

Boxcarar

July 17th, 2009
7:45 pm

I’m sure glad that we’re letting Vegas play our games this season. They had Tiger winning the British open.

WR

July 17th, 2009
7:46 pm

JJ, alls fair in love and war, Sarah just decided to bring some pom poms to a fist fight,LOL. No really its all in the name of fun, the Wreck couldn’t concede a FF superbowl to a team that goes by Teepee, thats just wrong. As for the trash talk, its just so funny, and it really brings out a lighter side in everyone, so join in. Oh in case you haven’t signed in, you too my friend shall suffer the fate of the theme of my team, but once again, its all in the name of love, we can have Stripes afterward hopefully D3 and Seminole will have some H left for you.

it's me again

July 17th, 2009
7:49 pm

More trivia……….

Who was the only Falcon QB to take it up the rear while in prison?

Bwaa ha ha!!!

BT

July 17th, 2009
8:00 pm

Very good takes by Falcondore and Jason (as usual) and some well thought out comments by S W.
Nice links and comments by Unca Bob and you are correct in identifying my full screen name.
D3, I had never recieved an e-mail after saying I would play in the FFL, maybe you did not get my addy?

Falcons season predictions.
10 regular season wins, 4/2 within the division.
Division title and at least advance to the divisional round and if things go well, to the NFCGG.

YuleeFalcon

July 17th, 2009
8:06 pm

doo mauh mauh maunz The ex-Falcon QB you are referring to didn’t play in 3 Probowls, he was selected to three. He sat out one in order to have surgery performed on his thumb.

Dean 21

July 17th, 2009
8:15 pm

SC

July 17th, 2009
11:16 am
I always laugh when I see tougher schedule listed. First, in this league you never know what team will come out of nowhere and be good and vice-versa. So what looks like an easy or tough game may in fact be the opposite. Second, the goal is to win the division and everyone in our division plays the same schedule except for two games.

SC – I couldn’t agree with you more on this statement! The bottom line is “you have to play the games” Only time will time the outcome of the season!

JJ

July 17th, 2009
8:27 pm

WR, good stuff my friend, we’ve had our brotherly squabbles but you always make me smile. In good fun, I’m coming for you! Loser buys at post-season ‘cage party-no need for ky or PH, I’ll just take your money my friend. You’re kinky obsession of people’s back side (this blog is all men except except our 2 ladys of the cage) makes me wonder about all those rumors of gt men! lol. all in fun!

BT

July 17th, 2009
9:01 pm

The staticians at Outsiders project a 7/9 season for the Falcons.
The news is not all bad…

I just got a great deal on my car insurance!
My daughter that just graduated from UGA (this spring) hooked me up with a great rate. :-)

WR

July 17th, 2009
9:16 pm

JJ, good point, Its all in good fun though, I got the idea from my highschool football coach, he was making reference to the old days, when parents would bend you over the knee for an old fashioned spanking or whipping depending on where your from.

Unca' Bob

July 17th, 2009
9:18 pm

BT,

Welcome back to the Cage. Your input so far, speaking for myself, has been truely insightful. Please, enjoy your stay.

it's me again

July 17th, 2009
9:21 pm

I talk so much about taking it up the rear from personal experience. Can’t help it. I hate that “don’t tell” policy – I want to come out in more ways than one.

I used to play tight end but someday I hope to play wide receiver.

D3

July 17th, 2009
9:27 pm

Hey ‘Cagers! @ braves game. 7-0 bravos. Seeing Francouer in Mets uni makes me vomit in my mouth.

Winning 9-0.

Great blog DOL. Your best yet!

Fellas & gals, we want these BS predictions. I love to have Marty McFly predict our season.

Keep it rockin ‘ Cage!

BT your in my man, send me an email to dawsondevitt@gmail.com

I'll be free monday

July 17th, 2009
10:27 pm

just wait til you see me play in the 2010 madden tour.

jason

July 17th, 2009
10:35 pm

WR

July 17th, 2009
7:46 pm
JJ, alls fair in love and war, Sarah just decided to bring some pom poms to a fist fight,LOL. No really its all in the name of fun, the Wreck couldn’t concede a FF superbowl to a team that goes by Teepee, thats just wrong. As for the trash talk, its just so funny, and it really brings out a lighter side in everyone, so join in. Oh in case you haven’t signed in, you too my friend shall suffer the fate of the theme of my team, but once again, its all in the name of love, we can have Stripes afterward hopefully D3 and Seminole will have some H left for you.

WR, That is just wrong, man… :) you are getting on a roll early. JJ, I like you have never played FF so I am going to stay quite for the time being. I think WR is going to have his hands full with our Lady Sarah B. Long day, Still see some B.S. on the blog. Guys great job of not taking the bait. Almost time for some football… Are you READY?!?!?

WR

July 17th, 2009
10:49 pm

Jason, I’m probably no better than you or JJ, Seminole got it started by proclaiming himself the FF superbowl champion, so I just joined in. Its all for a good laugh, I actually was shocked when D3 fired back, that really got things going. Sarah, cracked my side, when she came out with trash talk and before I knew it, we were in full bloom. I think the thing is the comedy that comes out of it, we talk football all the time, the comments are so intelligent and well thought out, then you get in the league, and our first lady tells me she’s no angel, I better bring it, I couldn’t help but bust out laughing. So I had to let her know I was going to bring it, same goes for the rest of the league, and in the end who knows, I could be the laughing stock of the league, but you know what, its still going to be fun.

Seminole Warrior

July 17th, 2009
10:49 pm

LOL..I love it!!

Seminole Warrior

July 17th, 2009
10:54 pm

Jason, it’s truly all in the name of fun. If you want the best in trash talking, you will find it in any fantasy sports league. I had to laugh to when Lady Sarah brought it. D3 is always on key so I was not at all surprised there. The league is going to be great but then it has to be. This is the PREMIER blog on the AJC site so why not host the PREMIER FFL!!

Let me get this forecast done; laters my brethern and Lady Sarah.

WR

July 17th, 2009
10:56 pm

I hope to get Unca’Bob in on some of the trash talk, the guy seems to come up with so many catch phrases, so you gotta figure he can talk some smack. By the way Jason, have you noticed my first two games are against Dogs, I’m sensing a conspiracy.

Two weeks away, it seemed like forever just a few weeks ago, but the season is almost upon us. Things have begin to heat up again in the cage, and everyones getting focused on analysis of the beloved birds. I read somewhere today where some publications believe Shockley should be ready to challenge for the number two spot, and some feel John Parker could take the three.

JesseJames

July 18th, 2009
1:05 am

I predict the Falcons will win every single game by a wide margin
and then win every playoff game and then guess what? Yea thats my prediction.

Sarah B

July 18th, 2009
3:08 am

We are getting closer by the minute.

Glad you all took notice of my mild smack talk today. That was was nothing. You have no idea… I can be right nasty if I’m winning, and I will be. I can be right nastier if I’m losing…

After a crappy day/week at work I could not bear to look at a computer until now. And I’ve been drinkin’ – well there’s a shock! It’s Friday and it’s been a really crappy day! You know how others have been complianing about someone else but you think they are exageratting until they go on vacation… well I found out today the hard way – they weren’t – she F***d up a bunch of stuff I had to fix. It sucked! I just now read the blog. Unreal!

Anyway I tied one on and feel much better, tommorrow I’ll cut the grass then get on the FFL and complete the sign in.

Bring It!!!!

KerneyGirl!!!

BT

July 18th, 2009
7:28 am

Good morning Cagers.
Here is the latest Matt Ryan interview featured on the NFL Network Total Acccess.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/atlanta-falcons/09000d5d8115843a/Matt-Ryan-interview

Enjoy.

jerry

July 18th, 2009
8:56 am

One thing is almost certain. The loser of the Week 1 Miami/Atlanta game will not make the playoffs. This game should be an indicator of which team benefited from the losers schedule and which team actually improved. If the Falcons lose this game, you can write them off.

WR

July 18th, 2009
9:06 am

How do you write a team off after one loss, especially when that loss is within the first game of the season. If you are going to write a team off after the first game whats the point of having a season. One thing for sure during the first week, 16 teams will win a game and 16 teams will lose a game but its the first week of the season.

Sarah my fair lady, don’t ask for what you can’t handle, hopefully that was the drinks talking for you early this morning, your nastiness scares no one, don’t make someone put you in your place little lady,LOL.

WR

July 18th, 2009
9:26 am

Sarah, I got one for you, gotta test your Southerness, your getting to manish for yor own britches.

CBrass

July 18th, 2009
9:39 am

Great interview…Thanks for the Link BT!!!

jerry

July 18th, 2009
9:50 am

WR: We will see what the loser does and I will be right or wrong. No big deal, I’ve been wrong before.

JJ

July 18th, 2009
9:57 am

WR, Just signed in to the league and finally got it- your teams name is “bend over”, that explains the posts yesterday. Just imagine the possibilities for your teams logo! I went with my highschool name and if I’m half as good as them, watch out! Really cannot talk trash since I have no idea whats going on!!!

WR

July 18th, 2009
10:03 am

JJ, thought about using my highschool team name but I figured it would only make the Teepee Posse boast even more, we were the Indians, couldn’t take the chance of fueling any flames. Did you notice Sarah this morning, I’m guessing she put the idea of a lady to the side, she’s a smack talker so it should be fun.

WR

July 18th, 2009
10:05 am

Jerry, who knows, but you have to figure that the Falcons added five new defensive starters four of which are very young and unproven, so one game is just to early to tell.

BT

July 18th, 2009
10:23 am

An early (week one) inter conference win or loss won`t be too significant either way IMO.
I think, the Falcons will beat the Dolphins @ home, anyway.

The week 2 game against Carolina is much more important game as it`s divisional game, it is still no real gauge in resolving exactly what we have going.
They don`t want to loose that one though.

Week #3 against the Patriots (in New England) is not a critical game either.
However, it will be a good test in terms of measuring how well this Falcons edition stacks up against a proven NFL elite team.

Week 3 of the preseason is the game to watch for determining potential.
Week 3 of the regular season is the game to watch for determining how much of that potential is being realized.

Of course, as Unca Bob truthfully stated.
Injuries and turnovers will be the major factors in the equation when attempting the preponderance of potential success for a team like the Falcons, that is just coming out of phase two of their rebuilding process.

Proven and repeated quality starters and depth is what separates the elite (Pats and Steelers) from the up and comers and 2nd tier teams.

IMO, the Falcons are one good season, two or three good players away from entering into the status of the elite if all coes well?
Where we can look the roster from top to bottom and say, (without hesitation) this is the best team (on paper) in the NFC.

BT

July 18th, 2009
10:31 am

Your welcome, CBrass.
That interview was just one more example in showing what a delightful young QB we have here.

Humble and hungry indeed!

CBrass

July 18th, 2009
10:52 am

BT,

Very true. They need to sell t-shirts with that on it. I would definitely buy one in every color!!!

Ryder

July 18th, 2009
11:33 am

doo mauh mauh maunz needs to do the Kneel and Bob on the former Falcons’ QB.

These “experts” didn’t account for Ryan’s intangibles and leadership, as well as a gameplan that is simple to execute. Also, the Cowbowys, Skins, Jets, and Bears are extremely overrated and the Falcons will wind up 10-6.

Nookah

July 18th, 2009
11:40 am

Just got caught up with my reading and of course the content maintained it’s usually high standard on football discussions and littered with the usual naysayers and baseless hatemongers. However, I will follow Jason’s lead and …”Don’t take the bait”. Well said my brother.

As far as the predictions are concerned, they are what they are, predictions. They are people’s opinions that they are all entitled to.

Greg from Marietta said it best…” Opinions are like a certain necessary body part – everyone’s got one. There are too many variables that can determine a teams success or failure during a season. So let’s just wait until the games are played and let the wins fall where they may and forget about these “Predictions”. Heck, if these guys were really any good about predicting things why hasn’t any of then won the lottery???” Couldn’t have said it better myself. Nuff respect my brother.

Falcondore, excellent post yesterday (11:16 am), although your “disclaimer” in brackets that we won’t go 12-4 may draw some ire from Ken Strick (lol). My peronal “prediction”, for what it’s worth is 10-6 or with a little luck 11-5.

If the logic the Outsiders are using applies, then Carolina will be in the same boat as we are. They have not had back-to-back winning seasons since 1995 as have the Saints. The Bucs are the only team in our division that have had back-to back winning seasons since ‘02, ‘07 & ‘08. Certainly John Fox had not had it since he was signed in 2002 and that was also the year we went from the NFC West to the South. Since ‘95 the Panthers are 63-49, the Saints are 53-59, Bucs 57-55 and we are 55-56-1 . So if we want to remain consistent and follow their logic perhaps the Saints or the Bucs will win the division as Carolina had a winning season last year. Since the Bucs are in re-building mode and it is highly improbable then perhaps Seminole’s prediction will ring true and the Saints will be victorious.

All these theories I disagree with and in the indomitable words of Chris Berman from the 4 letter network….”That’s why we play the games”….(echoed by Dogbyte yesterday). As someone mentioned before, aren’t these the same so-called experts that said we would go 1-15 last year.

WR is correct when he said we have to actually have back-to-back winning seasons before they will give us any respect so I get that. He is correct. All things taken into consideration I am not drinking any of the “losing season kool-aid”, simply because we have enough depth and a significantly upgraded offense to be in too many slumps this year. Of course I know there are many variables not the least of which is our defense. However, I think our defense will surprise many due to the plethora of speed (Ken Strick’s point). A lot of people are also disregarding our special teams. That is where it begins and we have a pretty good one.

BT, nuff bigups for the link with Matty Ice.

Falcon Nation, get your VIP seats now, because by week 8 the “wagon” will get very crowded and seats will be at a premium.

Go Falcons!!!!

I dediate this to all the naysayers:

Stiff-necked fools, you think you are cool, To deny me for simplicity.
Yes, you have gone for so long, With your love for vanity now.
Yes, you have got the wrong interpretation, Mixed up with vain imagination.

So take Jah Sun, and Jah Moon, And Jah Rain, and Jah Stars,
And forever, yes, erase your fantasy, yea-eah………………………….Robert Nesta!!

Nuff respect everytime!!!

SeminoleWarrior

July 18th, 2009
12:06 pm

A late start to the morning. What’s up my peeps!! Good morning my ACC brother (aka the Indians). JJ, talk smack anyways…it’s all in the name of fun. I thought of using my HS mascot as well but the DAWG fans in here would have had me for lunch. Tradition is deep down there in the Rose City as we are THIRD winningest program in the state. William Andrews and Guy McIntyre are among our most notable alum.

Lady Sarah, you really burnt the late night oil! Hope today is a much better day than yesterday. Head to Stonecrest or Mall of Georgia and share some relief with a sale or too dear. Nookah, Jerry, CBrass: Are feeling it this morn? D3, did you get the paper finished my brother?
All others, nothing but love for you today.

Well, I off to Books-A-Million or Barnes and Nobles to pick up my guides and begin my draft preparations. With the Mighty Indians a threat to Sarah, D3, and the rest of us, I had better make sure I bring it on draft day.

Darn..guess I can’t afford to take Jason Elam with the first selection huh? LOL. Laters all. Much love…ONE NATION!! FALCON NATION!!

Courtney

July 18th, 2009
12:14 pm

Didn’t the experts predict we would go 1-15 last year; So why should we listen to them this year????

jason

July 18th, 2009
12:38 pm

WR, I know all about the trash talking. Yhat is what makes coming here on the blog so great. I crack up reading some you guy’s barbs. I like that back and forth with Sarah B. That was a good post to keep the blog from getting serious. We still have some time before we really kick things off.

Gotta question for our FF GMs (Sarah B/D3). I went to ESPN and got the user name. Went to the FFLs and I didn’t see our league. What do I need to do to actually join the league? I am pumped and ready to get this FF thing started. I don’t have a problem using High School names (Seminole) The DAWGS of T’Ville is a proud tradition. I could go with my ‘Makers and then you and I could wage a war with Rivals. Could be worse… Could have went to Central… We know what their mascot is. WR would even be able to tell us that one.

I was looking at Schultz’s blog and he was talking about Greene explaing to Stafford about the NFL life and what to expect. While browsing through the posts a Jacket fan was talking about Greene explaining what it was like to ride the bench. Another said something about DJ knowing how to hand out Gatorade. I thought it was funny. Good ribbing and what not. A dawg fan in return asked if Tech ever had a QB drafted and start in the NFL. I don’t know the answer to that question. I replied Reggie Ball (joking). But then I didn’t know if Ball was actually a Yellow Jacket… Or was a DAWG; at least on 4 occasions. I will leave that for you WR. Just good nature ribbing. But seriously, Has Tech ever had a QB drafted and start in the NFL at the QB position?
I will be off and on all day. WR, I know I dished it out to you, so I will man up and take what I deserve.

Ken Strickland

July 18th, 2009
12:59 pm

It’s obvious the people at FOOTBALL OUTSIDES ALMANAC 2009 are reaching for excuses to justify their negative assessment of the Falcons chances for next season. They are relying almost exclusively on subjective criteria, which will have little if any actual impact on our season. They’re obviously anti Atlanta Falcons. How else do you explain their inability to make anything out of the acquisition of TGonzalez, the NFL’s greatest pass receiving TE. Since they couldn’t/wouldn’t acknowledge the positive impact he’ll have on the overall OFF, or find an excuse to lessen his potential impact, they pretended not to have a clue. An argument could be made that I’m just as guilty, but for the opposite reason, since I’m definitely a diehard Falcon fan. Well, let me present my criteria for believing the Falcons will go 12-4 and win the NFC South. Let’s start with the DEFENSE:

DT

(1) The freak injury to DT TLewis and our lack of depth at the position forced us to sign and start GJackson. We drafted PJerry, the #1 4-3 DT in this yrs draft, and VWalker, another All American that is strong in every area. We also have former starter TLewis returning after 18mos of intensive rehab. With the tremendous increase in the speed, quickness, mobility and pass rushing ability of these 3, how can we not register an improvement over GJackson?
DE
(2) With the outstanding 2nd half improvement of DE KBiermann, the addition of LSidbury and the resigning of CDavis, JAnderson will have to show noticable overall improve or he’ll either become a rotational DE, or be switched to DT. Either way, there’ll be an improvement at LDE.

OLB

(3) KBrooking had a very good season last yr, but his style of play wasn’t a good fit for this DEF. His replacement, MPeterson, is what is called a striker, which means he’s more physical and does a better job attacking the line of scrimmage against the run, while not sacrificing speed and quickness. SNicholas proved to be a striker as well with his outstanding special teams play. He’s a much better fit for Smitty’s DEF than MBoley was, and he’s just as quick and fast. If you add RJames, another striker, despite his size, and we definitely have improvement over last yrs OLB’s.
CB

(4) We’ve added draftees COwens and WMiddleton to CJackson and starter CHouston. We’ll also have VHutchins, DIrons and former starter BGrimes returning from IR after suffering season ending injures. This will make us deeper and much more talented overall than we were last yr, and that’s an overall improvement.
FS/SS

(5) SS LMilloy was the equivelent of having a 4th LB, which our poor rushing DEF needed. However, his was a liability in pass coverage and forced FS EColeman, who had an outstanding season, to cover too much territory. With last yrs backups TDecoud and JFudge returning, along with the addition of draftee WMoore and the return from IR of AHarris, we’ll have the overall speed, quickness and ability to cover the entire field and provide our CB’s with much better support. HOW CAN THAT NOT BE AND IMPROVEMENT?

Although our DEF gave up tons of passing and rushing yds lst yr, they were outstanding when it came to points allowed in contract to yds allowed. That stat was the main reason we were so successful last yr. Gms aren’t decided by the number of yds gained or allowed, but by the number of POINTS scored or allowed.

If you’ve eliminated the weaknesses of one of last yrs best overall OFF’s, by adding depth and talent, how does that lead to you becoming a worse team? If you address your DEF weaknesses by adding speed, quickness, mobility, athleticism, depth and superior talent overall, to a DEF that did an outstanding job of managing the scoreboard, how does that translate into creating a worse team?

HOW CAN INJURIES TO FORMER SUPERBOWL QB CCHANDLER OR RB JANDERSON, OR PROJECTING THE POSIBILITY OF QB MRYAN GETTING INJURIED, OR THE FALCONS PAST HISTORY OF WINNING AND LOSING OVERRIDE THE FACTS I’VE PRESENTED? WHY AREN’T THESE INJURY PROJECTIONS USED TO DETERMINE THE PREDICTIONS OF OTHER TEAMS THAT ARE QB OR RB DEPENDENT LIKE THE PATRIOTS, COLTS, SAINTS, STEELERS, GIANTS, EAGLES, VIKINGS ETC?

I STAND BY MY PREDICTIONS.

John Brown

July 18th, 2009
1:25 pm

Hey Bad News -Who is Cutler going to throw to to “destroy” us? Devin Hester? LOL! Cutler is good, but there is NO receiving in Chicago, kind of a prerequisite for a quarterback to be successful. As far a Miami is concerned, didn’t they improve by 7 games or more as well… not to mention there is a reason Pennington was run out of New York. One fluke year doesn’t change his overall choking nature. Historically, Panther games are always close despite the records of the teams. And, NE? Let’s just say they’re slightly due for missing the playoffs. But Chicago? LOL LOL LOL. That team is terrible. Not to mention their horrible D…… Monstrous in the Midway. Expect Lovie Smith to be fired. Running Rivera out of town was the worst move ever. Bad News, maybe you should go to Bears mini camp as a receiver. You’d probably make the squad. Good luck! Go Falcons!

WR

July 18th, 2009
1:27 pm

Jason, before we get to our endeavors, if you go into your email that D3 sent out there should be a link that takes you directly to our league. As long as you are signed if for ESPN fantasy sports. If your not signed up, just sign up then go back to the email and take the link, you team is already listed all you have to do is click on it and make any modifications you choose. Now to the stab in the back I received:

Actually I can’t say a word for, as a Tech fan I often wondered if Ball was playing for the Dogs and every other opponent we faced, as a matter of fact I wondered if Gailey was a coordinator with the Dogs because he refused to replace Ball. As for the QB situation, the last tech QB to be drafted and start in the NFL will be the first that I have seen. Wow, what a bad way to handle your trash talking, but when your right your right.

CBrass

July 18th, 2009
1:34 pm

Ken Strickland,

Very good and insightful post. All of the predictions that I’ve read only list the departure of the 5 defensive starters which will result in people running and passing all over us. Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t that what happen last season and we still finished with an 11-5 record?!?!

Football is much like basketball in that you have to have the right players in order for a coaches defensive/offensive system to work. For example if a basketball coach likes to get up and down the floor with back court taps and presses why would he/she draft/keep a player that is slow and can’t cover much ground? Sounds to me that’s the kind of defensive system (fast smash mouth defense) that Smitty/BVG wants to run and the people that were let go didn’t fit into that mold. From what I’ve read we now have these type of players in place. Yes they are young but that doesn’t necessary mean they will not be good!!

Again great post!!!

jason

July 18th, 2009
1:37 pm

WR, It’s all in good fun. NOt like UGA had a QB be a starter since when ? Wait a minute…. Fran Tarkton. That was like 50-60 years ago. I always thought Shawn Jones was drafted. I know he was never a starter. Jones was from T’ville, cousin of UGA S Sean Jones.

You might get me in this FF endeavor, but i can go tit for tat with you on Teach and UGA all day long. Seriously I rooted for Tech when they shared that MNC. Shawn Jones was QB. Cairo got their A$$ handed to them regularly when he was at THS.

jason

July 18th, 2009
1:48 pm

CBrass, Good post to piggy back Coach Ken’s excellent (As always) posting. BVG wants a fast striking D. He wants to force the action, not react. We are getting the pieces in place for that. What we will need this year is game experience.Someone mentioned yesterday about the first 6 games of the year. We start with a brutal stretch just to be able to get to the bye. If we manage 5-1 or 4-2, the first six, we will go 10-6 or Ken’s 12-4. Our young and fast D will have that much needed experience. The great thing about having fast, atheletic players on D is that they can overcome inexperience and youthful mistakes. Another thing about BVG’s D is that it will be heavily rotated. With the aggressive approach and playing fast we will need the depth to rotate in. The DL is key. We will have 4 Dl and by the bye week we will have 5 adding Sid. Our DTs will go at least 5 deep with Babs, Jerry, Walker, Lewis, and possibly Jefferson. Add to that the CBs. I say we carry 6 with 4 Safeties. The draft was more than replacing 5 defensive starters; it was about adding quality depth so BVG and Smitty could comfortably run their D. ATL did not run the full Smitty/BVG D last year. They could not blitz as well and as often as they wanted to. They had to play alot of zone to cover up our defensive defeciancies. TD seemed to have solved alot of that in this draft.

Nookah

July 18th, 2009
1:49 pm

Ken Strick’, I cosign that post. Those are my sentiments exactly.

A lot of these so-called experts do the same thing from year to year. Instead of really analyzing all the teams, they get away with the “road less travelled”. They fail to do the work and truly analyze each and every team from year to year. All they do is stick to the usual suspects, New England, Giants, Philly etc. and pick their winners from there. I guess we have given them a reason to be so disrespectful to us as a franchise, because to be honest and as WR said earlier, until we actually have back-to-back winning seasons, we really have no argument.

However, when I examine this team from top to bottom, I can’t help but feel very optimistic about the upcoming season. As I have outlined in previous posts, our main area of weakness is our defense. However, with the factual analysis that KS has just done (and others have presented the facts here before), I am more than convinced that we will be a very good team this year. We tend to forget that last year was the first year we were in this system and with almost all our starters on offense returning and with the addition of the undeniably dangerous and very effective HOF TE, #88, we will be many teams worst nightmare. Of course I know you have to be good on both sides of the ball but we discount the effect a “clock-controlling” offense can have on it’s defense.

I can’t wait. I say at worst 10-6!!!

Go Falcons!!!

TIME WILL TELL – Robert Nesta Marley

JAH would never give the power to a baldhead, Run come crucify the dread
Time alone, oh! time will tell, Think you’re in heaven, but you living in hell
Think you’re in heaven, but you living in hell Time alone, oh! time will tell
You think you’re in heaven, but you living in hell
Back them up, oh not the brothers, But the ones, who set them up

Time alone, oh! time will tell Think you’re in heaven, but you living in hell
Think you’re in heaven, but you living in hell Time alone, oh! time will tell
You think you’re in heaven, but you living in hell

Oh children weep no more Oh my sycamore tree, saw the freedom tree
Oh children weep no more Weep no more, children weep no more

WR

July 18th, 2009
1:54 pm

Jason, I actually hope Shockley gets a chance, and I want to see Stafford succeed, when its all said and done they both played in the state of Georgia, plus Shockley is from my hometown area. Now in the present day I think both Tech and Georgia have seen the good and the bad, remember Jim Donnan, Ray Goff, I compare them to Bill Lewis and Chan Gailey with Gailey being slightly better than the other three.

Seminole, had to ease one in I see, can’t even let a little indian slip by, well what can I say, its got to be better than Butt Nuggets, BT keeps relatively quiet but I got a feeling Butt Nuggets is going to garner much atttention. JJ, hopes to rekindle some magic from the Marist days, rekindle being the magic word, those days have come and gone my friend, its you, your cane, and me now my friend,LOL.

BT

July 18th, 2009
1:55 pm

Great in depth analysis posted by Ken Strickland.
I agree, with every point he made, so much as the improvements.
However, before I can declare a 12/4 season, which is basicly saying, they are likely the best team in the NFC.
The diffrence between believing and knowing (with me)is if, we had a little more veteran quality depth at the DT, OT and CB positions.

jason

July 18th, 2009
2:00 pm

WR, how do I make the modifacations? I am Team 4. I clicked on it, and can’t find a menu or anything prompting me to make changes.

Sarah B

July 18th, 2009
2:05 pm

Sorry for my ranting last night. I’m going to go sign up for the
FFL now.

WR

July 18th, 2009
2:08 pm

Nookah and Ken Strick, good points, and to add one more to that lets really look at this weak defense. This supposedly weak defense is younger, faster, and more athletic than the one that finished 24th out of 32 teams last year. With a rookie Quarterback, and a supposedly make shift offensive line the Falcons protected that 24th ranked defense last year. Now with a Second year Quarterback an underrated offensive line, the addition of a future HOF TE and a year in Mike Murlarkey’s system do we suppose that the offense can’t do the same thing. The one thing about last years defense is that they had to learn a new system, and once they did, they maxed out their potential, this defense has pieces in place that know the defensive system, and they also have players that will be learning a new system, but once those players learn the system they won’t be maximizing their peek potential for a few more years, which means that over the next few years they will continue to get better, both individually and as a cohesive group, kind of makes them seem scary if you ask me.

WR

July 18th, 2009
2:16 pm

Jason, I believe I went to members, clicked on my team again and at the bottom of the screen it asked if I wanted to verify this was my team. I’m not completely sure, I initially had the same trouble you had, then I signed out, went back in and there was no problem, I know I played around with it for a second, some its hard to give you a concrete response.

BT

July 18th, 2009
2:20 pm

Jason my man, there is nothing to change except team colors and name until you have a lineup.
The smartest thing to do is go about the business of pre-ranking the players, ESPN has an auto pre-ranking draft kit or you can import one from another team, if you have one?

Nookah

July 18th, 2009
2:24 pm

Another intangible that could be a factor is how the team reacts to being the “hunted”. We are now catching some people’s attention regardless of what the naysayers say.

I can assure you that HC’s in the NFL will not be too concerned about predictions of where the Falcons will finish. They are concerned that:
a) Matty Ryan has shown enough to be taken very seriously
b) The Falcons possess a dangerous running game and have retained most of their OL and in fact have bolstered it and added depth. That along with the fact that they have one of the better blocking fullbacks in the game.
c) The Falcons have on paper (because this is all it is at the moment) made the adjustment to counteract 9 in the box by trading for #88; so do so at your own peril.
d) The Falcons have added more speed on defense and Coaches will have to prepare for that.
e) The process continues for the special teams (allowed a NFL record 49 punt return yards last year).

I’m sure all teams will want to test the rookies in our defense but very soon in the season they will find out that on Sundays……..”THOU SHALT NOT RUN”

Go Falcons!!!!

Nuff respect everytime!!!

WR

July 18th, 2009
2:26 pm

BT I think Jason’s trying to figure out how to do the modifications like, team name, colors, all the basic stuff.

Wabe

July 18th, 2009
2:40 pm

http://www.nfl.com/videos/atlanta-falcons/09000d5d81134f03/32-in-32-Atlanta-Falcons

Most of yall probably already seen this. Just posted it for those who might not have.

SeminoleWarrior

July 18th, 2009
2:42 pm

What’s up this afternoon all!! K-Strick, Nookah, and my best bud WR are all on target.

jason

July 18th, 2009
2:43 pm

WR, I am not the best user of the computer. Not the most patient either.

Alot of us are echoing the same things. The offense will again this year cover up the D intil they are ready. Long sustained drives 10+ plays;60-80 yds. More TDs than FGs. The ST namely Koennen makes life easier with excellent directional and hang time punting placing D in a good field position making opposing O take on long drives. That is a hrd thing to do in the NFL consistently. Long deliberate drives that score TDs, not FGs. ATL’s D will be omproved this year; not neccessarily the finished product, but improved. 2010, The D will be top 5 in the NFL.

Wabe

July 18th, 2009
2:47 pm

Wyche seems to think the Falcons may implement a bit of 3-4 into the defensive gameplan?

Any thoughts?

kidfunkyfly

July 18th, 2009
2:52 pm

the experts at FO had the falcons getting 4-5 wins last year they were wrong on that one but otherwise they are the best website dedicated to football statistis that I have found and the only experts that I take note of when they make predictions. The falcons will have an uphill battle and I would expect this year will be injury plagued showing the lack of depth along both lines.7-9 seems very reasonable to me fans need to realize that rebuilding is not done in one offseason not even in two it takes a few years to build the depth chart the way the coaches and Gm want. The falcons are making strides to get there but I dont think they are there yet.

SeminoleWarrior

July 18th, 2009
2:56 pm

Wabe..I see more of a Tampa 2 look than a 3-4. The reason: speed, speed, and more speed.

BT

July 18th, 2009
3:07 pm

A bit of the 3/4 is an interesting thought.
What would you do?
Take out Babs, leaving Abe, Perry and JA98 with Nicholas coming off of the edge from a 2 point, leaving Wire to cover SLB.
I could see some potiental for mixing some 3/4 in.
If, for no other reason to wreck some havoc and be a little harder to prepare for.

jason

July 18th, 2009
3:11 pm

Wabe, the 3-4 will be implimented; just not used alot. We have the personell to run the 3-4 with hybrid DE/OLBS (Sid and Bierrman) We also have big DEs like J anderson and Davis. We will still be a base 4-3, but will convert to some 3-4 in passing situations to bring extra pressure.

SeminoleWarrior, I am curious to see how much if any Tampa 2 we run. I know we have speed to burn, I am just looking at our DBs. Houston and Jackson seem to be more man coverage than zone. just my opinion. I think the more looks you can give an opposing QB, the better. Makes masking what we want to do on defense easier.

jason

July 18th, 2009
3:13 pm

BT, You hit the nail on the head with that post. Nicolas brings an interesting talent to the 3-4 as a pass rusher. I say JAnderson, Jerry or Lewis, and Abe up front. Then Nicolas and Bierrman at the 2 OLB spots with Lofton and Peterson in the middle.

SeminoleWarrior

July 18th, 2009
3:20 pm

K Strick, I read and re-read your analysis several times. What a hell of a job breaking it down.

Your defensive analysis is on target my brother. As I mentioned to Lady Sarah a couple of days back, this construction of this defense reminds me of what Tony Dungy did in Tampa. A close examination of the players that formed the core of his defense reveals incredible similiarities in terms of size, speed, and skill set. We all know that this defense was used by Chucky to win the 2002 Super Bowl. I’m not saying Jerry will become Warren Sapp, but there are similiarities in size and game. I’m not saying William Moore will become John Lynch, but there are some similiarities. I’m not saying Curtis Lofton will become Derrick Brooks, but you can follow me here. There are a heck of a lot of similiarities.
And if BVG is the aggressor that my posse brothers tell me he is, I can see this going in that direction.

BT

July 18th, 2009
3:22 pm

Hey kid, why do you expect the Falcons to have an injury plagued season?

If you would take the time to read all the post in this blog, you would learn that the ‘’so-called” experts at FO have already been refuted and because with their own disclaimer, they admitted there is nothing to base any statistical analysis for a team in need of a receiving TE suddenly having one.
So, even by their own admission, their own analysis is faulty and therefor dismissed.

Daryl

July 18th, 2009
3:25 pm

The Falcons are losers. They have alway been losers. Think about it! When have they ever been winners. Trust me, they will find a way to screw this season up. It’s in their psychic. The Falcons can’t handle success. I predict they will go 3-13. Once that team gets down early in the season, they won’t be able to get back up. Their altitudes are that developed. They aren’t champions or winners. And they will never be. Blank and Goodell are idiots. What goes around, comes around.

Wabe

July 18th, 2009
3:30 pm

I hear you guys.

Seminole, I would think that implementing a 3-4 would only make this team faster. I’ve always wanted the Falcons to run some 3-4 sets, but it’s never been implemented. I think some creativity this season wouldn’t hurt. UTILIZE THE SPEED.

Also wouldn’t mind seeing a more blitz oriented defense. I know with a young secondary, this is a bit risky. But I’m more of a HIGH RISK = HIGH REWARD kinda person. More often than not, we’ll just rush 4 and drop back. But I wouldn’t mind them sending 5-6, especially when playing young QB’s or even when opposing teams have young RB’s blocking in the backfield (guys who aren’t proven to be players who can pick up the extra blitzer). I just think sending some heat would help keep offenses guessing a bit more, instead of just allowing the QB to sit back and pick us apart.

Like I said, UTILIZE THE SPEED > > > MORE SPEED = QUICKER TO THE QB. Regardless of how it’s done, I wanna see opposing QB’s in the dirt, some bad/pressured throws, which lead to some PICK 6’s from some of these ball-hawks we got out on the field. We’ve got speed, bump and run and send 5-6 at times…

CREATIVITY!!!!
MIX IT UP!!!!

Wabe

July 18th, 2009
3:35 pm

I understand as of now, we’re a bit more on the “bend but don’t break” side of the fence, but maybe get a bit closer to the fence?

Not recommending we do what Jim Johnson does down there in Philly, just a bit more creative with our blitz packages..

SeminoleWarrior

July 18th, 2009
3:37 pm

A lot of folks are looking at the vast improvement that Gonzo will bring to our offense. I’m looking for one person in particular to be a major surprise with possible 6 TDs for the season. With teams keying on Gonzo and White, all expect the running game to be the main thrust. But look for Michael Jenkins to have a 6-8 TD season as a secondary target. He will be particularly valuable in the no-huddle sets when defenses are confused as to where to place personnel. His height and large frame make him an excellent option to TG in the red zone.

Nookah

July 18th, 2009
3:39 pm

Daryl, could you tell us the address of the Falcons’ psychic? Based on your comment …..” It’s in their psychic”,……………….I just wondered.

Go Falcons!!!

Nuff respect everytime!!!

BT

July 18th, 2009
3:44 pm

Jason, what about Adkins or El Sid in spot duty as outside speed rushing LB`s in the 3/4?
Those two possess mountians of potiental if utilized correctly.
Good idea if Lewis (for size), Anderson and Abe occupy the inside, with El Sid and Bierman being veristile?
Actually, if you think about it, with all the talent on hand.
The comonations seem almost endless.

SeminoleWarrior

July 18th, 2009
3:45 pm

Wabe, correct me if I am wrong. The 3-4 requires a big stuffing tackle in the middle right? The only tackle we have like that would be Trey Lewis. All the others are smaller, faster tackles; tackles more of a penetrating sytle like Sapp than the “roadblocks” the 3-4 would need., i.e. Vince Wilfork or Casey Hampton.

Given that premise, that is why I keep thinking T2. Additionally, I think Jason asked if our DBs are better in man or zone. With the T2, the zones are clearly defined as are the transition points. The LBs are also key in coverage. Nicholas and James have a pass coverage pedigree. Lofton would need some work but he has enough of a skill set having played some SLB at OU. He has speed. Coleman, DeCoud, and Moore make for a much faster, physical, and YOUNGER safety corps.

jason

July 18th, 2009
3:47 pm

Wabe, Last year we were more zone and bend. That will be changing this year. BVG has to have his players to run his D. He started getting those players in this year’s draft. You will see more blitzing and more man this year. BVG is an aggressive DC. He loves to attack and not react. He is going to increase QB sacks and TOs. Look at the CBs drafted. Speed, speed and even more speed. He also drafted CBs more for man coverage. That should say what the D game plan will be.

jason

July 18th, 2009
3:51 pm

BT, They are endless. On Adkins, he is a developmental player. Might be a few years before you see him produce. Kind of like the situation with Nicolas and his developemment.

jason

July 18th, 2009
3:55 pm

SeminoleWarrior, I see both defenses utilized. The Tampa 2 will sepend on Lofton being able to play that deep MLB zone. I agree with you.

As for the 3-4, you do need a big DT ala, Lewis, but if you implement this as a pass D (2nd down 5-7 yards), you could go with Jerry or Babs. DT size does not matter much because it is all about getting to the QB. Babs has a good first step and would still draw double teams.

BT

July 18th, 2009
3:55 pm

Wabe, there is no doubt in my mind, if it be by the use of the 3/4 or not?
We will see a more aggressive style of play from our D.
They did not bring in a bunch of fast aggressive ball hawks to sit back and play totally read and react.
Smitty has already come out and indicated that a big point of emphasis is to created more turnovers.

Wabe

July 18th, 2009
4:04 pm

I hear you guys.

Seminole I hear what you’re saying. I hope you don’t think I’m discrediting your theory of the Tampa 2. You’re right to say that we still lack a few key spots if we wanted to change from a 4-3 base to a 3-4. But I wouldn’t mind seeing it implemented and thrown into the mix. Throw Lewis, JA55, and Anderson out there to anchor the inside. We have definately have the right blend of players to fill out the 4 LB spots. I think this kind of scheme would benefit the likes of Sidbury, who clearly have the potential to be playmakers, but are still a bit raw making the trasition from college to pro. In general, we have speed and depth, let’s utilize the best we can with what we’ve got. We don’t have to be shackled down to a certain philosophy.

I also hear you jason. I understand we haven’t exactly had the speed needed to be a blitz oriented defense in years past. This is all the more reason I’m more SKYED than ever to see what these young guys can do.

We have alot of depth at D-Line, which is why I don’t see the Falcons moving into 3-4 territory anytime soon. But here and there, it would be something worth trying just to mix things up.

SeminoleWarrior

July 18th, 2009
4:19 pm

Wabe, no discredit seen my brother. It’s a valid, viable discussion. Speed gives you amny options on defense. That is what made my Seminoles the beasts that they were in the ’90s. That and a solid running attack with target passing schemes.

Jason is really doing a great job of bringing me up to date on the philosophy of BVG. With each statement he makes, I analyze and plug players. I can see it coming into a better degree of focus than I could say, a week or two ago.

The depth is critical in order to sustain your intent. Remember, first and foremost, this is a process. TD is of the New England school; be ready to insert and continue the process as it is scripted.

jason

July 18th, 2009
4:29 pm

Wabe, I think the more that you can give a NFL QB to think about, the better your chances are for your D to have success.

Wabe

July 18th, 2009
4:31 pm

B I N G O!

I hear that Jason.

jason

July 18th, 2009
4:32 pm

The depth is critical in order to sustain your intent. Remember, first and foremost, this is a process. TD is of the New England school; be ready to insert and continue the process as it is scripted.

Seminole Warrior, and what kind of Defense does N.E. run? Multiple fronts and looks. They run a 3-4 and 4-3 package. Taking full advantage of the versatility of their defensive players. ATL will do the same in Smitty and BVG’s system.

SeminoleWarrior

July 18th, 2009
4:33 pm

I’m soaking it up like a sponge Jason.

jason

July 18th, 2009
4:33 pm

Our biggest thing is getting the game expeeience for Sid, Nicolas, Owens, Jerry, Moore, Middleton and continued growth for the other youngsters.

jason

July 18th, 2009
4:37 pm

SeminoleWarrior, The great thin about the Tampa 2 is that you can run it with any package, 3-4 or 4-3. Even some Nickel or Dime. It is all about deep soning the middle of the field with your 2 safeties and MLB. MLB takes a deep zone and allows your safeties to split the field in half to cove the deep side of the CBs. The key is Lofton’s ability to play in space.

SeminoleWarrior

July 18th, 2009
4:52 pm

Jerry/Lewis and Anderson/Babs; our DT rotation. Size and speed in each package. Two downs each; keeps you fresh and in attack mode constantly.
Walker and one other DT will add depth.

Moore and DeCoud will wage one heck of a battle at the SS position this preseason. Moore is healthy and if you saw him in his junior season, he is a terror.

I love Abe but I think that we are preparing to transition to the future. He will have to take less money to say in ATL; His age and history of injury make him a liability when it comes to a big time deal. Besides, Davis, Sid, and Biermann are waiting in the wings.

Nicholas is ready to play on the big stage. His biggest obstacle, his son’s health, is a much clearer picture now through the Graces. His persistance has not gone unnoticed in that difficult time. He will not let Smitty/BVG down. Lofton is set; James and Adkins are ones to watch.

Owens will give Hutchins all he can handle in the battle to start at LCB. Grimes has the heart at times so don’t count him out.

The process…it continues.

Nookah

July 18th, 2009
5:21 pm

Seminole, Wabe, Jason and all who have participated, I am indeed intrigued and learning a lot from the discussion going on. This is really and truly a football blog.

Perhaps we need to appoint officially some Deans, Professors and Associate Professors of the newly named Falcon Nation U.

Go Falcons!!!

Nuff respect everytime!!!

CBrass

July 18th, 2009
5:32 pm

Great post guys. I’m learning alot from all of you. This is going to be one chick who knows alot about the game pretty soon…LOL I do have one question I saw that jason posted:

“The great thin about the Tampa 2 is that you can run it with any package, 3-4 or 4-3. Even some Nickel or Dime.”

What is the different between a nickel and dime package?

jason

July 18th, 2009
5:44 pm

Nookah, I amby no means a Dean or Professor. Coach Ken is the Dean and Unca Bon is the lead Professor.

CBrass Nickel is 5 DBS, 3 CBs and 2 Safeties. Dime is 6, 4/2, and there is a Quarter that is basicly all of your DBs (7)with 3 DL, and a LB.

jason

July 18th, 2009
5:50 pm

Where’s D3, Unca Bob? could drop us a hello…. We holding it down for you. Been a great conversation today. Keep it up guya and gals….

BT

July 18th, 2009
5:58 pm

Good job explaining the question Jason. And CBrass, the antithesis of the nickel and dime package is the Rhino or stacking the box where the safety(s) moves up into the LB`s area causing an 8 or 9 man front.
Mostly used in short yardage situations.

jason

July 18th, 2009
6:04 pm

BT, we all are sharing the knowledge in the cage today. To piggyback your post. William Moore will perfect the Rhino this year. He will essentially be an extra LB in short yardage situations this year.

SeminoleWarrior

July 18th, 2009
6:08 pm

Hang in there, CBrass. You are doing just fine.

SeminoleWarrior

July 18th, 2009
6:09 pm

Moore has the potential to be a serious candidate for Defensive Rookie of the Year. He is capable of that kind of impact.

jason

July 18th, 2009
6:14 pm

SeminoleWarrior, I agree. Moore plays an impact position at Safety. He will have an impact against the run and the pass. There is alot of talk about the battle between him and DeCoud. I don’t agree. I think both will see the field alot this year playing to both’s strengths. Moore will see more time vs. run and DeCoud more vs. Pass.

D3

July 18th, 2009
6:17 pm

What’s My Fellow ‘Cagers? Tied up at the moment a little, watching the little WR today while the House CEO went to see the new Harry Potter. I’ll definitely be back in full force a little later.

Great convo’s going on today. And also masterful discipline in not taking the hate bait from the vitriol fishers. Its amazing how they will always pop up on new blogs for a little while, just waiting for someone to grab on. Nice work keeping the eye on the (Foot)ball.

Back a little later ladies and gents…….

SeminoleWarrior

July 18th, 2009
6:23 pm

I agree Jason. Give us a heck of a safety set for the long term. And recall that Coleman has only been in the league five-six years so there is some tread left there as well.

SeminoleWarrior

July 18th, 2009
6:24 pm

D3, how is the little one? Ready to sport that Falcons jersey yet?

jason

July 18th, 2009
6:26 pm

SeminoleWarrior
I like our Safeties. Moore, DeCoud, Coleman, and Harris. I like the CBs also. We just got to get them some experience. On that sleepers call a little while ago, I picked Owens as starting CB. As soon as the Bye week. He has to much spped and ball instincts. He might move Houston to the bech if Houston does’t improve this year. Back to the Safeties, I think all 4 of them compliment each other well. If Moore hold true to college, he will have a nose for the ball like Coleman.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 18th, 2009
6:26 pm

Normally I would say it’s impossible to predict what kind of an impact the schedule will play since parity dictates that teams change a lot from season to season. But last year’s Falcons didn’t just have an easy schedule — they had arguably one of the easier schedules faced by any team since the 2002 realignment. You don’t often get to play 4 of the 5 weakest teams in the entire league. For this reason, more than anything else, the prediction of the Falcons regressing this season seems on point. Will they finish under .500? Maybe, maybe not. But I think it’s a safe bet they don’t win 11 games again.

SeminoleWarrior

July 18th, 2009
6:26 pm

The REAL battle in the secondary will be between Grimes, Hutchins, and Owens. Don’t see much of a challenge to Houston on the other side but you never know. Thoughts?

jason

July 18th, 2009
6:28 pm

Najeh Davenpoop, Good point, I think that’s why alot of people are saying that ATL might be a better team this year than last, but yet have a worse record.

SeminoleWarrior

July 18th, 2009
6:31 pm

I agree in regards to Owens. He reminds of Ronde Barber with more speed. Oops…I mentioned a Barber. Look out….here comes Lady Sarah. LOL.

jason

July 18th, 2009
6:31 pm

SeminoleWarrior,
Agree, it is Houston’s job to lose at the moment. Houston needs to step it up this year in his third. He needs to be the leader of the CBs, second in command to Coleman for the Secondary. I am saying that Owens could step into Houston’s spot if Houston doesn’t step it up. Smitty is all about competition. And competition doesn’t stop once regular season starts. I say coming out of the bye you will have Houston and Owens starting with Jackson at the nickel. I also think there will be a rotation with Hutchins and Grimes. Middleton will be a ST this year.

SeminoleWarrior

July 18th, 2009
6:32 pm

9-7…winning season. The process continues as the team grows.

jason

July 18th, 2009
6:33 pm

I am awaiting her post as I type this. You know Ronde is her favorite. (did I spell that right?)

jason

July 18th, 2009
6:34 pm

SeminoleWarrior
I would take 9-7 as long as we show consistent improvement. Continuing the process. The process will never be fully complete; at least not until we win a Super Bowl.

Memory Lane

July 18th, 2009
6:38 pm

it's me again

July 18th, 2009
6:42 pm

Wabe

July 18th, 2009
6:44 pm

Yall don’t think Jackson’s in the mix at corner? I just figured he’d add a bit more size to the group.

William Moore just seems like a ‘Rodney Harrison type’ safety to me. He’s someone who’ll get up to the line of scrimmage within seconds and light up the ball carrier. I think we’ll be seeing him alot in early downs (running downs) whereas we’ll see a bit more DeCoud in passing downs.

Heard he was projected to be a Top 10 Pick if he jumped after his junior season though, that says alot – could be THE STEAL of the draft.

I’m a bit surprised Owens is getting this much recognition this early, he must be the truth. We’ll have to wait for camp + preseason to get a better scope as to how good the kid really is.

jason

July 18th, 2009
6:45 pm

Memory Lane
Thanks for the read. That was the turning point for Ryan. Ging from rookie to Leader of this team. Thanks, enjoyed it.

SeminoleWarrior

July 18th, 2009
6:47 pm

Going to break for a while…take the First out to dinner. Will catch up with the Cage later. Keep the flow alive!!

jason

July 18th, 2009
6:49 pm

Wabe, I think Houston and Jackson will start at CBs. I like Jackson size against opponets more physical WRs. I think Owens is that good also. I see Owens and Jackson flipping after the bye week. Jackson going back to Nickel. I could be wrong. If I am I will still be happy knowing that the best players are at their best positions.

I also agree with you on the Moore/Harrison comparison.

jason

July 18th, 2009
6:50 pm

SeminoleWarrior
Later, it has been good…

dan

July 18th, 2009
6:52 pm

7-9 is certainly a possibility. But making that prediction based on the organization’s history is small minded. In 1998, Jamal Anderson was the work horse for that team on offense. Chris Chandler was a solid QB, but he was always fragile. And none of those Falcons teams ever had great depth. If Chandler went down, we had Tony Grazani, Danny Kanell, or ancient ass Steve DeBerg.Dan Reeves was a decent coach but he was an AWFUL GM and really set the organization back a few years.

But this reguime is different. Matt Ryan is the real deal folks, and that’s 60% of it in the NFL.And for the first time in well…ever, the Falcons have balance on defense with a one-two punch in Turner and Norwood. Also, if Ryan goes down, Redmon can guide the team as a back up. I really enjoyed watching the Falcons last season. They played with a lot of passion, which is more than I can say for my Bulldogs! Hopefully they can build on what they started last year.

Stat Checker

July 18th, 2009
6:52 pm

jason

July 18th, 2009
6:54 pm

dan, well said. Ditto on the DAWGS as well.

Stat Checker

July 18th, 2009
6:59 pm

Stat Checker

July 18th, 2009
7:02 pm

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Ken Strickland

July 18th, 2009
7:09 pm

SEMINOLE WARRIOR-PJerry can be much better than WSapp. The real unsung hero of that Tampa Bay DL was DT Anthony McFarland. Yes, the same AMcFarland that completely turned the Colts DEF that was leading the NFL in rushing yds allowed, before his arrival around midseason, into a SB winning DEF. Sapps style of play, and his ability to provide his own PR, made him a celebrity. However, he was exposed when McFarland went down with a season ending injury. Without McFarland next to him, Sapp became a liability, especially against the run. That’s one of the main reasons the Bucs let him go, along with SS JLynch.

PJerry’s awkward build, which is short, squat and compact, and his unbelievable quickness, agility and speed for someone his size and height, makes him a nightmare for the much bigger and taller OT’s. They can’t effectively get under his shoulder pads to stand him up, and they can’t match his speed and quickness off the ball. He’s one of those DT’s that might very well have more success against the bigger taller NFL OLinemen.

Our DEF will be one of the, if not the, quickest, fastest and most athletic DEF’s in the NFL. Most of the OFF and DEF players on this yr DEF will be players selected or retained by our new coaching staff. There will be no stop gap, illfitting, or one dimensional players like SS LMilloy, OLB’s KBrooking and MBoley or DT GJackson on this yrs DEF. With the youth, talent and depth we now have at every DEF position, we can actually do what OFF traditionally do, and that’s wear opponents down by the 4th qtr. Last yr, we sacrificed our pass rushing ability early by limiting DE JAbraham reps, in an effort to save him for the 4th qtr. This yr, with the emergence of KBiermann and the presence of physical speciman LSidbuty, we can continue to save JAbraham for the 4th qtrs, while still maintaining a solid outside pass rush during the 1st 3qtrs.

With only one season and 2 drafts under their belts, TD and Smitty have done an unbelievable job of collecting not just a wealth of talent, but talent that totally fits what they’re trying to accomplish. Cpnsider the following: The Falcons finished 23rd in total OFF in 07. With a totally new coaching staff, a totally new OFF philosophy and system, and after getting rid of 5 veteran starters, we finished 6th in total OFF in 08. For a bunch of so called experts to refuse to believe the same coaching staff that pulled a rabbit out of the hat with last yrs limited DEF can’t accomplish even more with the infusion of talent and depth we now have on this yrs DEF is a slap in their faces.

OUR OFF WILL CARRY US THROUGH THE REGULAR SEASON, BUT OUR DEF WILL CARRY US THROUGH THE PLAYOFFS. JUST WATCH AND SEE. AFTER OUR BYE WEEK, THE ATLANTA FALCONS WILL BE KICKING “A” AND TAKING NAMES.

Wabe

July 18th, 2009
7:10 pm

I’ll be truthful, I think Houston’s alright, but I wouldn’t consider him spectacular. I personally liked what I saw out of Grimes & Jackson last season in spurts. I’ll go ahead and say I agree with what Jason said, it’s Houston’s job to lose. But he just seems like a CB whose afraid to get burnt.

Maybe it’s just me, but IMO, he rarely jumps on the ball, rather plays himself down into the “bend but don’t break” style. He’s ideal for that kind of system, but if you’re looking for guys to get more aggressive bumping receivers and jumping on the ball – someone whose not afraid to get burnt to make a play – I like both Jackson + Grimes > Houston.

Again we’ll have to see what these guys do through camp and preseason, and we’ll have to see what Owens + Hutchins offer to the group, but I’m up for a good solid competetition for both spots.

Best players start…

Bad News

July 18th, 2009
7:10 pm

Everyone keeps thinking the Tony Gonzales move is a good one for the birds and a bad one for the Chiefs. The Chiefs got the better of this deal!

The Falcons should have used that 2nd round pick on defense or a future tight end. The defense is at least 2-years away from respectibility and Gonzales is in his twilight and will be retiring in 2-years.

That puts the Falcons right back to ground zero, and possibly 2-years behind. It may look good in the stat sheets but not in the win column.

Great GM?

Wabe

July 18th, 2009
7:10 pm

Truthfully, I’m not a huge Chris Houston fan, so I guess my input is a bit biased.

jason

July 18th, 2009
7:31 pm

Wabe , You could take Houston, Grimes, Hutchins, and Jackson and place them in a bag and shake them up and go with the first 2 that fall out. Ithink they are that interchangable. Mainly because they are all still young and inexperienced, or (Hutchins) coming off injury. Houston starts by default. He is the most experienced and seems to have the most talent and upside. Jackson shows good skills and has the physical stats, the question with him is top level speed. I like him more in the Nickel. Grimes is a warrior, but undersized and got abused by taller more physical WRs. Hutchins not sure, a capable CB for HOU, but was injured all yaer. That leaves the 2 rookies. Owens and Middleton. Middleton has blazing speed, but needs to develope at this point. I say his impact will be on ST. Owens is the mystery. Can he grab a starting spot. I say yes by the bye week. Whether it is Jackson’s spot or Houston’s. I say Jackson will go to Nickel and Owens takes over with Houston. It doesn’t matter, I think those 5 will rotate anyway, unless someone steps and takes a spot as a shut down CB.

Vick Supporter

July 18th, 2009
7:48 pm

Those “outsiders” would be right. Face it folks. Also, the comeback is about to happen………

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4338388

danny ray

July 18th, 2009
7:51 pm

Everyone seems to be worried about the teams with two weeks to prepare for the Falcons. Do they prepare to stop the run game or the passing game. To me thats like pick your poison. How do they especially prepare to stop Ryan’s no huddle offense. If Ryan makes the right decisions no one will stop the Falcons no matter how many weeks they have to prepare.

I agree with JesseJames. It’s very possible

Vick Supporter

July 18th, 2009
7:52 pm

The Great Mike Vick Has Returned

D3

July 18th, 2009
8:15 pm

Great Saturday Evening My Fellow ‘Cagers! It’s been a little while and I’ve certainly got some serious catching up to do with all of you rocking the Bird-Cage well and strong. Excellent to see so many good football convo’s as we’re already had some serious traffic after just a day. Good to see all our regulars and some newcomers as well. Pardon my many posts to follow, as I haven’t had my ‘Cage fix in a couple of days.

The Outsider’s BS Prediction – OK, so here we go with this garbage. First of all, this is good. We want people to continue to doubt us until we prove them all wrong. Change and consistent winning don’t come easy and sure doesn’t come without hatemongers spewing their vile to anyone who will listen (or in the case of our Bird-Cage, no one).

We’re talking about historical statistics that these pencil pushers are throwing out there based purely on subjective “trends” as they like to call them. Majority of these people have never even stepped on the field, laced up a cleat, or taken a shot to the chin on an actual football field. This prediction is very similar to Fantasy Football, where they looks for these so called “trends”. Did anyone ever expect a trend of Tom Brady and the Patriots coming pretty much out of nowhere and beating the heavily favored Rams? Did these trends ever predict the “losing team of the 90’s” in the Rams to shock the world, go 13-3, and win the Super Bowl? Did any of these trends ever give Eli Manning and the Giants a 1% chance of beating the Mighty Patriots in 2008?

These statistics are exactly that, numbers, and thats all these people see them as. As Coach Ken pointed out so well, they just say “well we don’t know what to do with the addition of Tony Gonzalez.” What kind of BS is that? They’re assuming that just because we didn’t have injuries last year, that we will this year? Really. Did the Patriots have serious injuries when they repeated back-to-back Super Bowl runs?

I can understand predictions ranging from 8-8 or 9-7, but 7-9 just because of difficulty of schedule? Last year the Steelers had the best winning record with the hardest schedule in the AFC, and the Giants locked up the best record in the NFC with a top 5 hardest schedule. I respect some “experts” opinions in the NFL, namely people who have played the game or been around it a long time. When I did a Google search for this bootleg prediction site, I couldn’t even find their main website for chrissake, assuming they even have one. Gimme a break. 8-8, ok I can live with that, but 7-9? C’mon. These are obviously some fellas that have tried to put their Lehman Brothers/Enron book-cooking skills to the NFL. Its like having Dwight Schrute analyze and predict the NFL. What a joke.

Final “Statistic” to impart:

The Pittsburgh Steelers were one of the absolute worst teams in the history of the NFL. From their first year of 1933 to 1971, they had 27 losing seasons out of 38, equaling a 71% LOSING percentage. After finally getting a good owner, GM, Head Coach, good players, and solid coaches; they went on to win 4 Super Bowls in the 1970’s. According to Dwight Schrute & Co’s BS “trends”, the Pittsburgh Steelers would have NEVER done anything and continued in the “regression analysis” as these tool-belts suggest.

More to come……..

BT

July 18th, 2009
8:18 pm

Good take on the 6 corners Jason, I happen to like Jackson and Houston to start the season, for now with Hutchins as a possible nickle?
Owens definitely appears to have huge upside and depending on his progress, I also could see him possibly taking of a starting slot a little later?

Another outstanding post by Coach Ken earlier and I have a question for the defensive Guru.
What level of importance is the play of the DT rotation in Smitty`s and BVG scheme and how well does the interior of our D-line stack up other NFC teams?

BT

July 18th, 2009
8:29 pm

D3, Football Outsiders definitely has a web site and check this.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/extra-points/2009/foa-09-media-atlanta-chicago-ne-washington
There they an article that links to this very blog, well how do you do?

D3

July 18th, 2009
8:46 pm

Catch-up, Part 1
Alright, so much catching up to do, let’s start from page 2 only…….

Seminole – yep, got the paper done, and got a few more assignments to do before finishing up the grad program at Georgia State. Thanks for asking.

Courtney – Great point on 1-15 prediction. That one was a little off, huh?

Ken Strick – Excellent post as usual my man. As you stated, why is it assumed that the loss of 5 starters is a bad thing? Milloy was past his prime and a liability in pass coverage, Boley was replaced by Coy Wire for godsake, Brooking had a pretty good year but we all remember that one certain play, Grady could stop the run but couldn’t pass rush anyone, and Foxworth will be missed but he was solid at best, certainly not worth what he was paid. These predictions are such a joke.

John Brown – welcome to the Bird-Cage. As you can see there are still the hate-fishers out there, as you can see. We simply don’t take their “hate bait” as we like to call it because then it would validate that its an actual argument and makes sense. We all slip sometimes. Read and respond to the good 99% of the insightful, respectable football analyses we have in here. Good to have you aboard.

CBrass – You’re no rookie anymore. You brought the heat with your recent comments on schemes and defense and such. Your a ‘Cage vet now. Good work.

jason – like you, I can’t wait to see what BVG has in store for us with all this new speed, talent, fire, and striking ability. Next best thing with him leaving UGA was him finding his way to our Beloved ‘Birds. God, Willie Martinez’s seat has GOT to be on fire. It ticks me off too about how Richt is so non-chalant about it too.

Nookah – like your points on winning seasons, but none of those seasons have anything to do with the previous seasons. What does Coach Smith have to do with Coach Reeves, Coach June Jones, or Coach Glanville? Not a d@– thing. No one is successful until they win the big ones.

Catch-Up Part 2 coming soon….

wxwax

July 18th, 2009
8:47 pm

I’m hungry.

I need something to nimble on.

Tom Davis

July 18th, 2009
9:23 pm

Hey, Orlando; Please stop misspelling his name “Micheal” Turner. It’s Michael. The “el” suffix is from the Hebrew which means “of God”.

JJ

July 18th, 2009
10:13 pm

D3; very cool ‘cage ff setup! Well done my man! Know you’ve been busy, but how about Tom Watson! Incredible, I’m not so upset that Tiger missed the cut, this time. Looking forward to our little bird cage season, thanks for the xtra work!

Sarah B

July 18th, 2009
10:16 pm

MMMMM the Barber twins!

Sarah B

July 18th, 2009
10:23 pm

OK I’m up and running on the FFL. I need schooled on a online draft. We Have always drafted live in person.

Sarah B

July 18th, 2009
10:24 pm

There were lots of typo’s in the FO article as well.

D3

July 18th, 2009
10:33 pm

Catch-Up Part 2………

WR – The battle for the backup spot will be very interesting with them adding John Parker Wilson to the mix. We’ll see. I would very surprised if they added JPW for Shockley to be in direct competition with. I mean what would the point be with that? I’m thinking they may see if DJ can be a suitable #2, allowing a trade or release of Redman and his huge salary for a backup ($4.85 Million). Where from in ClayCo?

BT – I’m closer in line with you’re thinking, this is a big year for proving, and 12-4 seems a bit high to me. I’m going more with 10-6.

WR(2) – Excellent point. Those idiots talked about the weak defense as you mentioned, but we already had one of the worst DEF’s in the league yardage wise, but one of the better ones in terms of total points. In all likeliness, there’s a huge chance that our DEF will go up, not down.

Nookah – great points about being the hunted. Not a reason to say we’re the best team in the NFC, but 7-9 after adding TG and speed on Defense? These guys are bunch of number crunchers that have never strapped on a pair of shoulder-pads and its all about numbers. Taking advice from these chumps is a joke.

kidfunkyfly – I understand where you’re coming from on statistics. But that’s all they do is run numbers and formulas that have no contact or context to the actual game. In regards to the lack of depth on the Lines, this is actually the deepest the two Lines have been in years. Last year we had Grady Jackson & Babineaux starting being backed up by Jason Jefferson & Kindal Moorehead. This year we have Babineaux & Peria Jerry likely starting, with Trey Lewis(a stud before he was injuried), Thomas Johnston(Big Body), and Vance Walker(late round steal). O-Line is stacked with backups who have had starting experience in Brett Romberg, Will Svitek, & Jeremy Newberry. Not including new draft pick Garrett Reynolds and Quinn Ojinnaka. Even though I don’t agree with it, I could understand 8-8, but 7-9 is a bit of stretch.

Wabe – nice analysis. Definitely expect to see a more aggressive defense this year with more athletic and faster defense. Sure there will be some growing pains with a young secondary, but overall a much more aggressive defense should be expected. Glad you’re becoming a regular member of the Bird-Cage.

BT – Abe can also be used as an outside OLB as well. He did that quite a bit in New York with the Jets.

jason & Seminole – good analysis on 3-4. Definitely expect to see some of those looks with Sidbury to the mix and JA being a prototypical 3-4 DE, Biermann playin the edge, and Nicholas playing as rush end in 3-3-5 look last year. Did you know that Biermann has put on like 20 lbs? He’s up to 260 now. Dude’s been hitting the weights hard.

More in a bit…….

D3

July 18th, 2009
10:34 pm

Re-Post…..

WR – The battle for the backup spot will be very interesting with them adding John Parker Wilson to the mix. We’ll see. I would very surprised if they added JPW for Shockley to be in direct competition with. I mean what would the point be with that? I’m thinking they may see if DJ can be a suitable #2, allowing a trade or release of Redman and his huge salary for a backup ($4.85 Million). Where from in ClayCo?

BT – I’m closer in line with you’re thinking, this is a big year for proving, and 12-4 seems a bit high to me. I’m going more with 10-6.

WR(2) – Excellent point. Those idiots talked about the weak defense as you mentioned, but we already had one of the worst DEF’s in the league yardage wise, but one of the better ones in terms of total points. In all likeliness, there’s a huge chance that our DEF will go up, not down.

Nookah – great points about being the hunted. Not a reason to say we’re the best team in the NFC, but 7-9 after adding TG and speed on Defense? These guys are bunch of number crunchers that have never strapped on a pair of shoulder-pads and its all about numbers. Taking advice from these chumps is a joke.

kidfunkyfly – I understand where you’re coming from on statistics. But that’s all they do is run numbers and formulas that have no contact or context to the actual game. In regards to the lack of depth on the Lines, this is actually the deepest the two Lines have been in years. Last year we had Grady Jackson & Babineaux starting being backed up by Jason Jefferson & Kindal Moorehead. This year we have Babineaux & Peria Jerry likely starting, with Trey Lewis(a stud before he was injuried), Thomas Johnston(Big Body), and Vance Walker(late round steal). O-Line is stacked with backups who have had starting experience in Brett Romberg, Will Svitek, & Jeremy Newberry. Not including new draft pick Garrett Reynolds and Quinn Ojinnaka. Even though I don’t agree with it, I could understand 8-8, but 7-9 is a bit of stretch.

Wabe – nice analysis. Definitely expect to see a more aggressive defense this year with more athletic and faster defense. Sure there will be some growing pains with a young secondary, but overall a much more aggressive defense should be expected. Glad you’re becoming a regular member of the Bird-Cage.

BT – Abe can also be used as an outside OLB as well. He did that quite a bit in New York with the Jets.

jason & Seminole – good analysis on 3-4. Definitely expect to see some of those looks with Sidbury to the mix and JA being a prototypical 3-4 DE, Biermann playin the edge, and Nicholas playing as rush end in 3-3-5 look last year. Did you know that Biermann has put on like 20 lbs? He’s up to 260 now. Dude’s been hitting the weights hard.

More in a bit…….

Iceman

July 18th, 2009
10:45 pm

Matt Ryan has too much determination to let them be a meager 7 win team. 12 wins I say.

D3

July 18th, 2009
11:09 pm

Catch-Up, Part 3……….

Seminole – Thanks for asking, my little Future Wide Receiver might be moving inside to Tight End if he keeps growing like he does. Things are going much better now that he’s sleeping during the day. The Falcons onesie is ready to roll baby!

jason – Wow, breaking out the Rhino package. You my friend, and all else, are dropping some serious knowledge on us today. Like it. I think that there will be a rotation at first, but once one or the other improves their respective weaknesses(Moore-Pass, DeCoud-Run), than one of them will take over permanently.

Seminole(2)- Moore for Rookie of the Year? Can you imagine if TD drafted two Rookies of the Year in a row? He definitely will be coming in hungry and ready to show all the teams up that passed on him.

Najeh – very fair assessment. It should be at least considered that our win-loss could range anywhere from 8-8 to 12-4, but 7-9 is a little too low in my opinion.

Seminole(3) – Gotta disagree with you a little on the CB battle. I would replace Hutchins with Jackson. I think Hutchins will be too far behind with his nagging injury. The Lisfrance fracture has ruined many O’ athletes careers. I’m not counting too much on him.

jason(2) – Gotta depart with you on the starting CB’s, I could be dead wrong but I don’t see Owens coming in and beating out Grimes or Jackson for the spot, two guys who have been in the system. I guess I’m the only one, but I think that Jackson has a huge shot at winning the starting CB spot after having a great year in the nickel in the small amount of experience he had. It’ll be fun to watch.

Wabe – I like the way you think brother. Jackson definitely could add some good height and size to the CB spot. Owens has nice frame and actually weighs 10 lbs more than Jackson, but the nickel is a great way for rookie CB’s to get experience and work their way in. Jackson will also thrive in BVG’s zone coverage as well.

jason(3) – perfect response to the hate bait. Love it.

dan – excellent, excellent point my man. Previous years have NOTHING to do with one another. Besides being a mental psyche-out to some players, curses and garbage like not having back-to-back winning seasons have nothing to do with this year. Particularly since not one single Falcon other McClure were around for all those other failings. Love to have another Bulldog in the ‘Cage. We gotta offset these ACC boys in here. My expectations are fairly low for our ‘Dawgs this year. I tried believing the hype right before the ALA game and that was the worst, most embarassing @– whipping I’ve seen in a while.

danny ray – also good points. Bye weeks only pay dividends with coaching staffs that are very good, like the Giants and Eagles. The Redskins and Cowboys don’t strike any fear into me, regardless of preparation.

Whew, I think I’m finally caught up. My ‘Cage fix has been relieved.

DHD

July 18th, 2009
11:09 pm

I never heard of Outsiders. Who gives a crud what they say? Just win.

Mike Vick

July 18th, 2009
11:31 pm

Yet another new article today about me – is this city so desperate for material that you can’t run blogs about Matty Ice?

I am not a loser Falcon anymore – move on guys please.

D3

July 18th, 2009
11:34 pm

Last point on the Dwight Schrute Football Analysts, I mean the Football Outsiders; they are looking for a niche to make money in a seriously saturated market of football prognostications. Evidently they pick the vast majority of teams to do worse, weasel their predictions into the respective markets, create controversy(which is of course great PR), and thus sell magazines.

If you take a look at their website, you see exactly that: they have the articles where their “magazine” has created a stir; not to mention the fact that their website looks juvenile at best.

Sorry, had to get that off my chest.

Ken Strickland

July 19th, 2009
12:12 am

BAD NEWS-Do you even have a clue? TGonzalez made the Probowl last yr and led all TE’s in receptions by a wide margin, his 96 receptions tied him for 4th, he ranked 12th in total yds and 5th in TD’s. And you’re dilusional enough to think there was a TE available in the 2nd round that could match or exceed his production. There will be TE’s in future drafts that we can take for the future.

You’re using the same warped attempt at logic the so called experts used last yr to predict we’d finish 1-15. They said losing 5 OFF starters, having a new coaching staff, new OFF system, revamped OL, a rookie QB and LT, no receiving TE and a new RB would doom us. DO YOU SEE HOW STUPID THAT LOGIC WAS?

What makes you or anyone else think our DEF is 2yrs away, and what exactly are we 2yrs away from? If you had a clue, you’d know that with a balanced dominant ball control OFF like ours, our DEF won’t have to be dominant, just good at controlling the scoreboard, like last yr. Although we finished 21st in pass DEF, 25th in rushing DEF and 24th in overall DEF, we ranked 11th in points allowed. Yet, you somehow think that all the speed, quickness, athletic ability and overall DEF talent we’ve added won’t benefit us in any way for another 2yrs?

SOME PEOPLE JUST CAN’T SEE THE FOREST FOR THE TREES.

CBrass

July 19th, 2009
12:32 am

SeminoleWarrior,

I’m hanging in there. It’s just a lot to take in at times. The terminology that you guys use just blows me away at time…but I’m getting it.

D3,

Wow I’m a vet now?!?! If so it’s simply because you guys have been so kind and actually answered the questions that I’ve had. Thanks again!!!

Well I’m out check up with you guys in the morning.

WR

July 19th, 2009
12:37 am

D3, my thoughts exactly, even those that are predicting the Falcons to fall back in the pack say its because of the defense, like I said, as I recall the defense from last year was 24th out of 32 teams, it was bend but don’t break. What people fail to realize is that the defense of last year featured starters in the twilight of their career or starters going through the need for a change in scenery. Look at the defense of this year, the playmakers are back, Coleman, Abe,Babs,Lofton, even Andersen and Houston. Now you add youthful speed and reckless abandon, and what should you get, an improved defense. No I don’t expect Stephen Nickolas, Peria Jerry, or William Moore to come in and have the knowledge and experience of Michael Boley, Grady Jackson, and Lawyer Milloy, but they do have the speed, youth and capabilities to learn from mistakes and get better as the season goes alone. Brooking for Peterson is a wash, with Peterson offering more of an upside although he to is in the twilight of his career. Overall the positions will be improved, Boley needed to change scenery, I won’t take anything away from him because he could have been a good player in the A, but things in his personal life changed and so did he on the field, Peria might me 50lbs lighter than Jackson, but he is 50 times faster with more athletic ability, Lawyer Milloy was the unsung hero of the defense in my opinion, but father time can careless when he finds you, but William Moore looks like a bigger, stronger, faster, version of Milloy, even in Milloy’s prime. Foxworth was considered our best corner, but people forget Foxworth didn’t start until Grimes got hurt halfway through the season, so to think either Owens, Jackson,Grimes, or Hutchins can hold down that position is reasonable. Now I will pose a question that might get me kicked out of the cage:

Who before last year had ever heard of James Harrison from Pittsburgh. He was just a player before last year, his best season was in his fifth year until he had a breakout preformance in his sixth year, now he is supposedly the man. Up until last year he was no Julius Peppers, Demarcus Ware, Shawn Merriman, Jared Allen, Justin Tuck, Dwight Freeney, or even a John Abraham. What about Jamaal Andersen, a comparison;

Harrison: Year 1-4, Games played 44, Tackles 110, Sacks 4
Andersen: Year 1,2 Games played 31, Tackles 57, Sacks 2

Andersen may not breakout, I don’t believe that, but when considering the numbers, I’m guessing Jamaal must be on his way to defensive player of the year, maybe thats to far, but he is progressing before than one of the so called greats.

jason

July 19th, 2009
12:53 am

jason – like you, I can’t wait to see what BVG has in store for us with all this new speed, talent, fire, and striking ability. Next best thing with him leaving UGA was him finding his way to our Beloved ‘Birds. God, Willie Martinez’s seat has GOT to be on fire. It ticks me off too about how Richt is so non-chalant about it too.

I thought he was to young to be a DC. He proved me wrong. Drop some knowledge about what BVG will do as a DC for ATL once he has his players ruuning the D.

D3 as for the CB spot. I see Houston and your man Jackson starting. Owens is going to be starting after the bye week. Will it be Houston or your man Jackson he replaces. I don’t know, but one is going to the bench. I like Jackson because of the size. He matches up with the opposing teams bigger WR. I think Owens will begin to push Houston if he is not getting better. I also see alot more man coverge this year. That is susposed to be Houston’s forte. We shall see.

Sarah B, I knew you were coming for your Barbera infusion. I called it. What’s up my Lady. See, some men do listen (if you are talking football).

I get off line and everybody blows up thr joint. On the Rhino package, I don’t know who brought it up, but Moore is perfect for it. I can see Moore winning Rookie of the year, but also Jerry.

I t is a great time to be apart of the Cage. I can’t wait for the preseason. I want to see some action. I want to see Adkins run and hit. I know he is a developemental player, but with that size and speed. He and James are going to go at it. May the best LB win.

D3, what are your thoughts on a multiple D? I think we have the personell to run the 4-3, 3-4, Tampa 2, what else? the Zone Blitz….
we have drafted alot of players that fit BVG’s Scheme. Fast and atheletic. BVG is going to ATTACK, not react. I say we double our TOs, and possibly our QB SACKS. What say you?

WR

July 19th, 2009
1:25 am

Sense I’m the only one posting on a Saturday night, which some of you will find funny because I’m never around on Saturday nights, its a good time to say whatever:

Sarah, get back in the cage, yeah you post here and there, but sense the fall out you have been avoiding us. I know you were offended but it was taken the wrong way by some, they are still here and you should be too. As busy as your schedule is, you have always found time for the cage, if nothing else blame it on me, I can take it.

Between Nooah and Seminole’s return the cage is getting its life back. For awhile there, it seemed liked having an opinion that was different from everyone else’s seemed like a bad thing, than the crew came back through and all is good. Seminole and Nookah, both of you are truly some good buddies, we can have a laugh here and there, disagree here and there, but in the end you are the two people that truly feel like brothers in the cage. D3, not to leave you out when I said that, you my friend are the glue that has held it all together. Jason, if you didn’t know by now, we have a new found respect, not because of UGA or GT, but because you could always see the lighter side, you might as well feel as though you have been there from the start, because you have truly made a place for yourself here in the cage. I can’t go without mentioning my new posse brother, JJ, we have had some falling outs, more misunderstandings than anything, but you too my friend have made your mark, I feel as though I have helped your perceptions on a few things and you have helped mine, don’t know about Derby’s yet, but where ever we go your first drink is on me. BT, haven’t had much back and forth but you seem to fit right in, I started chatting in the cage as a way to vent about the Falcons, I found friends, I may not see any of you in person, but I really believe I found people that I can be real with, and they will be real with me, JJ, you better not ask for a translation,LOL, honestly I think I can ask most of you anything, and if you have an answer, you will give it whether I like it or not, and that to me is what makes this the Bird Cage.

Note to members of the FFL: It is late at night, I enjoy the cage, I enjoy the comments and discussions, but none of you are absolved from the competition, so while ya’ll are pulling out your violins to sing along to my songs, the trash is coming, and its coming to a neighbohood near you.

Nookah

July 19th, 2009
1:38 am

Well guys, I just had a chance to check in. Got off the road with the family and just had some peace and quiet to do a quick check in the cage.

One thing I can say about D3, he brings it. Man I enjoy your responses.

WR, nuff respect for the compliments. You made my day man. (Tito, can you pass the tissue?)…lol.

I endorse your point though, we truly are establishing a bond on this blog. This is indeed great and a perfect case study in organizational behaviour.

Ken Strick, did you not read Jason’s post on Thursday? “Don’t take the bait”. My brother, or should I say Coach Ken (as per D3), don’t waste your time my brother, there are far more important things to discuss on this blog.

It’s all good citizens of Falcon Nation.

Go Falcons!!!

Nuff respect everytime!!!!

jason

July 19th, 2009
2:12 am

WR, We feeling sentimental? I enjoy it here in the Cage. Now, I am not as good as Coach KEN, but I try to drop the knowledge from what I observe. I will go from watching the ball to watching the lines. I see what I see, and rely on others like you D3, Ken, Unca Bob to show me what I missed. I give you a hard time for being a Jacket, but I respect the Jackets,as I do All GA teams. I am looking forward to the FF so we can do this thing right. ATL/GA I am born and bread. At the time of Hershel Walker, I found Steve Bartkowski, I fthat doesn’t say enough I also found Dominquie Wilkins, Spud Webb, John Konkak… Dale Murphy, Brett Butler(before he was traded, Phil Neikro, Rick Mahler and so forth. I am a GA man born and Raised. GA will always be my home no matter how far away I am. I am GEORGIA.

kevin ( i hope u understood me)

July 19th, 2009
2:52 am

Lets see if we have one one out are hurt bad at start ….and this time we win and be 7-1 at home n 6-2 on road 13-3….Oh i know its a wild question i wish be answered…..why can’t the NFL and CFL that the one in Canada u know get together n play also and be counted n we play in arena under CFL rules there…and superbowl winner play the winner of Grey Cup for a true Football championship!

Jason

July 19th, 2009
5:09 am

Yet another piss-poor “article” from AJC writers who had to go dig up some blog from some nobody which predicts the Falcons will have a terrible season. How novel.

AJC is going to hell in a handbag and there is no one to blame other than the rejects who have been hired in the past few years who will pilot the damn thing down in flames.

Unca' Bob

July 19th, 2009
5:51 am

Cager’s,

Please re-read this sentence written by D-Led.

Those other 14 teams, wins decrease by an average for four. That would put the Falcons at 7-9 in 2009.

Now look at the word average. That says to me, some lost less and some lost more. D-Led simply deducted the average from last years win total and D-Led , not Football Outsiders, came up with 7-9.

Well D-Led, it worked. You sure stirred-up the ‘ol dookey pot, and a real Falcon blog came out. Good job!

Sarah B

July 19th, 2009
7:05 am

WR I havee not disappeared from the The Cage. I’m still here, siggnrd up for the league last night and I’m gonna kck your azz.

Unca' Bob

July 19th, 2009
7:21 am

jason,

When you go back to the join link, there is a box that you need to check. Accept email blah,blah,blah. You have not not joined yet, nor has Strig. Once you join, then you can modify your team name,etc.

kclubmember

July 19th, 2009
8:58 am

The Atlanta Falcons’schedule this season is very difficult,so winning ten out of sixteen regular season games is crucial.I believe the Falcons’offense will be more assertive than the defense.Watch out for Jerious Norwood this year:He will breakout this season.

SeminoleWarrior

July 19th, 2009
9:59 am

Goooooooood morning Posse!! Wr, I’m sorry I left you hanging last night brother. What was supposed to dinner ended up being a roll to Savannah with smooth jazz and a LATE dinner. I was kidnapped!! But hey, if Mama is not happy, no one is happy!

I see the action stayed hot. K Strick chimed in with the skill he known for. D3, fresh from the labors of the paper, hit it strong. Jason kept the flow moving along with passion, representing US 84 and south GA well. Ohhhhh yeah, WE know passion and loyalty along that highway, right Jason? Oops…got caught up in football home cooking.

D3, my nephew is moving to TE now? What is Mama3 feeding our man? LOL.

K Strick, thanks for making my points in regards to Sapp and McFarland. Sapp was a PENETRATOR; McFarland was the STOPPER. That is what I see in Lewis and Jerry. Babs reminds me of the early Sapp, the little engine that will not quit. He is not a beast against the run but he is very disruptive in his play. Add Jamaal alongside him and there is a nice pairing to stop the run in a shared rotation with Jerry & Lewis.

Biermann is on his way to becoming a star; D3 called it – I read that the guys has put on 20 pounds and is as solid as Stone Mountain!! I like that. He will be a beast off the corner or dropping back into an OLB slot if and when we shift to the 3-4 (Jason, Wabe…I’m sold on it now). Sidbury will be a similiar hybrid.

As far as my DROY prediction for William Moore, I do not think it is as far fetched as some would think. If he is back to full health, which I think he is, and he reports on time, which I think he will, he’s a beast. Keep an eye on his development as the year moves along.

To the rest of the posse, nothing but love for ya! And as my brother said, don’t take the bait from the haters! We, you and I, are family in the greatest of BLOGS….THE CAGE!! Let them hate; we will celebrate!

Okay..that was a cheesy Jesse Jackson attempt at a laugh. LOL. Laters!!

SeminoleWarrior

July 19th, 2009
10:07 am

Oh…Let me be clear. While I’m open to the occasional 3-4 shift, I’m still an open favorite of the Tampa 2. So don’t think that I’m jumping totally on the 3-4 wagon. I’m accepting the BRIEF shift based on the history of TD’s background and what Jason, Wabe, and the other UGA loyalists have taught me this week about BVG.

SeminoleWarrior

July 19th, 2009
10:10 am

I think our CBs are physical but not physical enough to handle a more established and persistant man-to-man scheme. Thus zone coverage will still be a mjor component of the defense. The “weak” link as far as the T2 would be is at the MLB. But I think Lofton is better in coverage than he is given credit for. And then, if my UGA brothers are right, a healthy Tony Gilbert adds more to the scheme for BVG in that coverage aspect right?

SeminoleWarrior

July 19th, 2009
10:25 am

And to add to what WR stated about the composition of the Cage. I was drawn to the Cage several months back prior to the draft. DO-Led was serving up some very good questions. I was always a fan of Steve Wyche and was a little nervous when he left us for NLF.com. But DO-Led has stepped in and carried the torch with honor, skill, and class.

When I say that this is a PREMIER blog, I’m totally serious. If you are an avid football fan like I am, and you read a lot of stuff, you will see quickly that this is a candid love of the game with some fans that are deeply passionate about the game and the Falcons. But is is more. There is a real sense of a bond here. Hell, we have brothers and sisters in here offering to help another find a house. We have had people in here offer help in looking ofr jobs; prayers are extended to families with loved one serving in harm’s way. None of that has to do with football; but the lessons of the game, commitment, loyalty, and teamwork, come out in all we do here. WR is right: we will not always agree but we will NEVER be disrespectful of each other. We are one. So when Nookah quotes “Nesta”, we all smile as our souls, football and otherwise are touched. When D3 shares the fun of being a new young dad, it reminds us “old-schoolers” of what precious moments he is yet to share. Okay…I’m rambling like a good old south GA preacher now..but you all get my point.

Simply put, I’m DAMEDN proud to be a member of the BIRD CAGE. DO-Led thanks for your leadership and continued success be yours. D3, Nookah, WR, Stirg, Big Ray, Unca Bob, thanks for welcoming me into the fold a few months back. Jason, US 84 and the passion we share for the home front will keep us united for years to come my brother. And to all the others, remember, we are ONE NATION!! THE FALCON NATION!!

Okay, I’m going to catch my breath, grab some OJ, and take a chill. Catch my family a little later here.

WR

July 19th, 2009
10:43 am

Seminole you didn’t leave me hanging, just had a Saturday night alone and at home so I figured I should say some good things before I start hurting everyone’s feelings in the FF.

Jason, I wouldn’t say sentimental as much as I would say I just have enjoyed the cage, its easy to enjoy a place where you can have an opinion and people will argue for or against it and the arguments are reliable if not valid.

Sarah, why would you go there after giving me all the bulletin board material in the world, if I was the head of the AJC and our teams where professional sports teams I would have the perfect headline when playing you: Bend over (insert your team without the es) while your shouting bring it on. Watch for the bulletin board material, it will be used against you,LOL.

D3, when you come back in, you come back in, talk about catching up, if you are half as precise as a teacher as you are on here, I know Clayton has finally gotten a good one, its going to take many more but it starts with one, and you appear to at least be one, glad to see you back in the cage, but the aforementioned comments do not apply to FFL, just not that nice when it comes down to competition.

niremetal

July 19th, 2009
10:56 am

As long as Turner doesn’t pull a Jamal, we’ll be fine…

WR

July 19th, 2009
11:07 am

D3, on the backup situation, I agree, I think the birds are going to look closer at DJ for the two, and hope to keep John Parker for the three. One of our biggest fears is what happens if the Iceman gets hurt, but Steve Young replaced an injured Joe Montana, and Tom Brady replaced an injured Drew Bledsoe, who knows whats awaiting the next major injury. I believe the same even when considering Turner, between Snelling and Brown, you never know what gems may be awaiting an injury to the starters of today.

JJ

July 19th, 2009
11:09 am

WR, translation? j/k my brotha, back after the golf…

WR

July 19th, 2009
11:18 am

By the way Seminole, my thoughts exactly, I actually find the cage to be relaxing no matter the circimstances I face once I walk out of my front door and even within the walls of my own home. Always some good football talk, some words of encouragement for your personal life, some shouts of praise and prayer and even some recipes, now find another blog where you can get all that.

jason

July 19th, 2009
11:20 am

Jason, I wouldn’t say sentimental as much as I would say I just have enjoyed the cage, its easy to enjoy a place where you can have an opinion and people will argue for or against it and the arguments are reliable if not valid.

I know, I know. This is my first stop when I get on-line. Kind of weird in a good way. Enjoy talking to fellow fans with some football knowledge. Also enjoy the trash talk, and the fact that we can step away from football and talk about life; you whether D3 is considering a position change for his ‘lil wr. Might be growing for TE. This is without a doubt the best blog going. Debate, disagree, but doing it with respect. Falcon Nation is arising.

Seminole, The Tampa 2 is and will be a fixture in our D. The 3-4 will a change up; different look. The base D will be the 4-3. I am thinking more of the 3-3-5 than the 3-4. I think Smitty wants to be versitile in D formations. Give the opposing QB more info to process.

On the CBs, I think we will continue alot of zone. TD drafted Owens and Middleton as man covers. You will see a push to more man coverage after the bye week or later. The youguns have to get some game experience. I know that Houston in Man is a strength. Hutchins I believ is a Zone CB. I would like to think that Jackson could play man. He has the size and is physical in nature.

CBrass

July 19th, 2009
11:20 am

Morning all. Hope everyone is doing well.

jason,

“Sarah B, I knew you were coming for your Barbera infusion. I called it. What’s up my Lady. See, some men do listen (if you are talking football).”
This is so true!!! It is the only time that you guys actually listen to us…LOL

As for my thoughts on the cage I have felt very welcome here. The past couple of weeks I have learned more about the game than I would have if I tried to teach myself. That is credited towards all of you (Unca’ Bob starting me out with my first quiz) answering all of the questions that I may have. I will say the level of respect is just outstanding. I’ve read other blogs and they do not come close to the knowledge of the game and the respect towards others that is displayed here!!!

Be back later.

jason

July 19th, 2009
11:21 am

WR , It’s our 1 stop shopping for relaxation.

jason

July 19th, 2009
11:33 am

CBrass, Unca Bob is the man for football knowledge and research. Wait until Coach Ken gets a hold of you. He will have you coaching a PeeWee team in no time. Between those 2 you have Unca Bob dropping the knowledge with outstanding reasearch, and then the Coach will dissect it easy as A B C. He will have my 3 year old daughter understanding it. Then you have the maestro (D3) tying everything together in the Cage.

There is some serious knowledge to be had here in the Cage. I am glad I came on board. I joined during the Draft this year, and have been having a good time ever since.

WR

July 19th, 2009
11:51 am

CBrass, men listen to women all the time, women fell to listen or understand so they claim men don’t listen. I’ll give you a good example: notice how there are mostly guys in the cage, guys make a comment and then other guys comment on their comment. Thats how guys work in real life, one guy says something, another guy responds. Women and men conversations work differently, women say something and they keep saying something and after a while men hit the cut off switch and women turn into that character on charlie brown, blah, blah, blah, blah. If more women would pause between their long speeches they would figure out that guys are actually listening, but guys are also built with an automatic cutoff, when you exceed the cutoff point, no we don’t listen. So the key is a pause

Unca' Bob

July 19th, 2009
11:58 am

CBrass,

I think you have earned your Stripes as well. You could have blown it off and not gone back to do your homework. But you didn’t, and came in with with what I thought was a very good response. You got my vote, and I don’t care what y’er runnin’ for.

Titans Ticket Operator

July 19th, 2009
12:04 pm

Season tickets have been sold out in 1-day. Thank you for “supporting” your team.

Go Titans!

Top 5

July 19th, 2009
12:10 pm

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=4336648

Sorry guys, T.D. & Smith didn’t make the list. Apparently, to make the top 5 you have to actually win playoff games, not just make it there.

Maybe next year!

Top 5

July 19th, 2009
12:11 pm

Oh did I mention: The Panthers were number 3 on the list.

WR

July 19th, 2009
12:11 pm

Man are creatures of habit, if you pay attention to the habits you will learn and understand most men. If you try to break the habit which some women do, you will have some problems. Another example: a man’s favorite football team is playing, a woman decides she wants to have a talk and here in lies the problem. A football game last approx. 3 hrs, most of the time men are doing nothing before the game and nothing after the game, but for some reason during the game is when women want to talk. Men even go through hoops to get women satisfied so that they can have that little 3 hrs, you hear things like I got to take the lady of the house to the mall, do we really want to go, no, but we don’t mind because hopefully we can get those 3 hrs peacefully.

jason

July 19th, 2009
12:16 pm

WR, You are digging a hole. I am patiently awaiting Sara B’s response.

So, someone throw a topic of discussion and let’s it started.

SeminoleWarrior

July 19th, 2009
12:30 pm

Alright, Jason, here is one for the Posse to consider.

If the defense finishes the season in the top 20, we win the divisioin, and make the playoffs, is Smitty the Coach of the Year for the second year in a row?

JJ

July 19th, 2009
12:44 pm

Tom Watson (59 yrs) is leading the british open by 1 with 3 to go!

jason

July 19th, 2009
12:51 pm

SeminoleWarrior, I am going to say no. ATL isnot PItt or NE. I think the NFL also likes to spread the reconigtion. If Abe (Strig) duplicates last year, he could be in line for Defensive player of the year.

CBrass

July 19th, 2009
1:11 pm

WR,

That’s my first time hearing about the “pause”. How long should this said “pause” last? Long enough for you (all guys) to process and answer the question that was just asked or just simply as a way to show that we have one or two more questions coming? And what is this cut off? Is it…I was going to ask more questions but I thought I would give you the said “pause” so that you can process and prepare your answer and I also didn’t want to exceed the “cut off”. As for the little 3 hours I’ll get to that later.

jason,

Your right. I so can’t not wait to hear what my fellow sista Sarah B. has to say. LOL

Unca’ Bob,

Glad to hear you say that. D3 I believe said that I was no longer a rookie but a vet and now you’ve said that I’ve earned my stripes. Feeling right at home. That coming from you means a lot(not taking anything away from anyone else who has made me feel welcome here) simply because you were one of the first to make me feel so welcome here.

Sarah B

July 19th, 2009
1:19 pm

Ok Jason, here it is… I actually concur with WR which is why I think I have more male friends than female. The women I work with, except for a couple, are just like that. Blah, blah, blah… and mostly just won’t shut up. The worst part is it’s all ME ME ME. Actually my ex-husband was kinda like that. The Falcons or any other game I wanted to watch and all of the sudden it was blah, blah, blah. And I was like ‘what part of the fact that there is a game on do you not understand?’ But I’m weird like that. But then I would rather cut the grass than run the vacuum cleaner. Go figure. I think I’ll go to the pool for a while. I’ll jump back in.

Sarah B

July 19th, 2009
1:24 pm

Sorry CBrass. That was probably not the response you were looking for. But no worries, we are still Sista’s in the ‘Cage :)

Sarah B

July 19th, 2009
1:25 pm

And NO don’t start with lesbien jokes – it ain’t so.

WR

July 19th, 2009
1:30 pm

Im going to be off and on for the next couple of hours, NFL network is replaying the Arizona/Atlanta game from last year, no I don’t want to relive the loss, but it helps to get a feel of how things would be if we plug a player here and there, already I see where some speed would have overcome some of the mistakes made. The first flea flicker touchdown to Larry Fitzgerald could have been overcome by speed, Lawyer bit on the fake, and he tried to recover, he was close but he just didn’t have the speed which Moore and Decoud will have, so thats already a play that you can honestly say that whether your a vet or a rookie you would make a mistake, but a little more speed would have over come that mistake.

CBrass, the pause is just about not being so long winded. A person wants to feel like their being talked too, not talked at. The cut off is pretty much the same thing, most men express comments directly without a bunch of details, women on the other hand add alot of details to their conversations, so somewhere between women getting to the point men kind of wonder off a bit, nothing wrong with details just trying to help you understand the inner workings of the male mind.

Unca' Bob

July 19th, 2009
1:35 pm

WR,

You certainly have the Ramblin’ down pat. Now I feel you have just Wrecked. It will soon suck to be you. You are solely responsible for the wrath to engulf your very soul. It is now your time to bend over because Tennessee is going to Tuck it.

SeminoleWarrior

July 19th, 2009
1:37 pm

Next question…

Who stands a better chance of being selected as league MVP? Michael Turner, John Abraham, or Matt Ryan?

SeminoleWarrior

July 19th, 2009
1:43 pm

WR…I agree on the game review and analysis. Our increased speed will definately help over some of those shortfalls.

SeminoleWarrior

July 19th, 2009
1:46 pm

LOL…Lady Sarah. Putting to rest the Oprah and Gayle lines. I’m busting up over here. LOL.

SeminoleWarrior

July 19th, 2009
1:48 pm

Be careful now Unca Bob. I sense WR will fire a missile or two in the direction of old Lane K.

WR

July 19th, 2009
1:50 pm

Unca’Bob, I knew you had it in you, good one, I shall return in a bit, no one denounces the wreck, gotta finish up this game.

Unca' Bob

July 19th, 2009
2:02 pm

Seminole Warrior,

Oooohhh! I’m so scared. Is that me hiding under the couch? I don’t think so! When it comes to a battle of wits WR shows up unarmed.

jason

July 19th, 2009
2:09 pm

Smack talk alive and well in the Cage. Unca’ Bob, you just came out of nowhere with that one. CBras, You are being iniated. I kind of agree with WR, but not. I have a viable excuse, I have ADD. You outh to ask my wife what’s up when I am watching a game or playing the PS2. All you here out of me unhuh, yeah , I hear ya. and repeat in a different order. Nod and shrug the shoulders and all that stuff to. I am telling my secrets now, I think I am in trouble.

Seminole, I see Abe as MVP if he can duplicate last season and possibly better it. I also could see Ryan taking it if ATL comes out and dominates. After all it is a QB driven League.

CBrass

July 19th, 2009
2:14 pm

Sarah B,

Ok I really didn’t see that coming but from reading your post I feel that we’re kinda the same. My male friends out number my female by a wide margin. Those girly girly just makes me want to strangle them at times. I’m sure that the guys(myself included) wasn’t going to start with the lesbian jokes. Like I said me before it sounds like we’re alot a like and if I would have mad that statement I would have been basically talking about myself. But I will disagree on the cutting grass part…LOL I hate doing yard work with a passion. I was kinda hoping that we could give WR hell for a bit before we agree with him.

WR,

Not like I’m trying to sound like I’m not standing my ground or anything but I understood what you were saying the first time but I just wanted to give you a hard time for while…LOL it’s all good. As for the 3 little hours to watch the game…I would be right there sitting beside him…probably more into the game than he would be. But I will say after the game was over we would still hit the mall for a little shopping…ROFL

Have to run out for a bit…be back later

Unca' Bob

July 19th, 2009
2:16 pm

WR,

Ya’ ain’t back yet? Get your collective thoughts together. You sir, will need them.

Unca' Bob

July 19th, 2009
2:33 pm

Stewart Cink Wins!!

I would have loved to see young Tom Watson, but I reckon’ it was not to be.

SeminoleWarrior

July 19th, 2009
2:35 pm

LOL…I’m loving it. Hell, my ‘Noles could not beat up on Tech this good!! Nothing but love for ya, WR.

UnCa Bob, great comeback.

Jason..I would take MT as my pick. I do not think last year was a fluke. Turner is a given for 1200-1400 again, 10-12 TDs. He will not have to worry about 350+ carries this season as Mad Mike Murlarkey has more than enough trick to keep a defense honest this season.

The blocking will only be better up front this season with a full season of Sam B. at LT as well as a two TE scheme with Gonzo and Hartsock. Hartsock was a blocking fool before his injury last year and if he returns healthy, look out.

SeminoleWarrior

July 19th, 2009
2:36 pm

Watson represented well. His legacy is cemented now as he heads over to the Senior Circuit full time. Well done, TW.

jason

July 19th, 2009
2:39 pm

SeminoleWarrior, Good pick on Turner.

I would have been happy to see both win the Open. Personally I wanted Watson just for the fact of his age and how well he played all weekend.

Unca' Bob

July 19th, 2009
2:44 pm

Seminole Warrior,

Please, do not forget J Peele. Once he is introduced, the Defense now have two TE’s they need to be aware of.

JJ

July 19th, 2009
2:49 pm

Congrats Stewart Cink and tech alums, the entire planet wanted Tom to win but no, GT has to screw it up! j/k great, great performance from both of them and if watson couldn’t win it, I’m glad a ga. boy won it. You tech alum should be proud, Cink is a class act just like Tom, but man it would have been nice! ok, I’m off my golf kick now…go falcons!

SeminoleWarrior

July 19th, 2009
2:55 pm

Unca Bob, thanks. I forgot Peele who did flash some late in the year. That’s why you are the man my brother!!

Unca' Bob

July 19th, 2009
2:58 pm

Stewart Cink I think played golf at GT. I also think he still lives in the Atlanta area. Maybe not.

WR

July 19th, 2009
3:06 pm

Unca’Bob, you give a volunteer a bone and you hope he buries it, but like a bad dog sometimes you have to take him out to the woodshed and bend him over. Volunteers should go play catch with those dogs up in Athens, because down in Atlanta we run’em over in our rambling wrecks.

Gotta love the cage, none of us are professional comedians but I can’t tell. Seminole, yeah he cracked my side too, it came out of nowhere which just made me bust out laughing. Going to be a great fantasy season and apparently I’m going to be busy.

WR

July 19th, 2009
3:12 pm

Funny you should mention J.Peele Unca’Bob, just watched the playoff game against Arizona again and I think the addition of Gonzo will make Peele look even better. Watching that game pointed out alot of things, with the addition of Gonzo, the birds offense is going to be better than I thought. Norwood and Douglas were killing teams in the middle of the field without a great tightend, with a great tight end, we could be in for the Falcons version of the greatest show on turf.

WR

July 19th, 2009
3:18 pm

Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t Tennessee have a coach who had to bring his father along to hold his hand, and you actually want to acknowledge them as being your team, do you need me to hold yours to get you through the fantasy season.

WR

July 19th, 2009
3:19 pm

Can Unca’Bob come out to play, we’ll play nice.

JJ

July 19th, 2009
3:30 pm

Unca’ Bob

July 19th, 2009
2:58 pm
Stewart Cink I think played golf at GT. I also think he still lives in the Atlanta area. Maybe not.

Unca’Bob, with your high tennessee intellect…look before you leap!

Unca' Bob

July 19th, 2009
3:34 pm

Hartstock is a road-grader. truely one of the best blockers in the League. Once you get a tag in this League, it tends to stick. Hartstock very well could be one of “those”. His blocking skill’s are legendary. Much like O Mughelli. Whom I feel is one of, if not the most under rated player in the League. If I could be so bold , I see O M coming out the backfield this year, and truely contributing to Atlanta’s Offense. Not only with his running ability, he can acually catch the football. Is he any good? Simply put, I would not trade him for any blocking back in the League today.

JJ

July 19th, 2009
3:36 pm

oh, it’s smack time, going to be a fun afternoon!!! nothing but respect for my fellow cagers BUT, BRING IT!!! lol, all in fun!

SeminoleWarrior

July 19th, 2009
3:37 pm

Gonzo and Hartsock in the running game; Gonzo and Peele in the pass. I like it. Has the makings of a potent scheme. Mad Mike must like it too.

Unca' Bob

July 19th, 2009
3:39 pm

JJ,

Have I erred again?

SeminoleWarrior

July 19th, 2009
3:41 pm

Ovie M and Snelling give us a pair of very effective FBs. I know most teams do not carry more than one FB but it would be wise for us to do so. And I agree with you Unca B..I think Ovie will be much more in the mix this year as will Snelling. Too many weapons…what will Mad Mike do?

JJ

July 19th, 2009
3:45 pm

Unca’Bob,

Not at all, we’re family here but I need the “smack” practice for FF, but you already know my WAR EAGLES are going to kick your aarp ASS!!!

SeminoleWarrior

July 19th, 2009
3:49 pm

LOL…now they are conference battle lines are being drawn. The SEC is at war. Isn’t that nice. Almost as much fun as taking a spear to the wheels of the Wreck. LOL.

SeminoleWarrior

July 19th, 2009
3:53 pm

All I have to say if and when UGA grows tired of Mark Richt, he can come home to Tallahassee in a heartbeat. We have not been the same since he left us. Nothing but love for him but Mark, come home!! You guys can have the over-rated Jimbo Fisher.

SeminoleWarrior

July 19th, 2009
3:58 pm

Back to the Falcons. The third of my questions for the day to the Posse.

What player do you feel will be the BREAKOUT player of the 2009 season and why? I will get it started.

I’m going with the second banana, Michael Jenkins. With teams focused on Gonzo, Turner, and White, I think Mad Mike will find ways to get more out of his number two. I can see where he could easily get 7-9 TDs this season.

Unca' Bob

July 19th, 2009
3:58 pm

Seminole Warrior,

T Gonzolez brings so much to the plate this year, if I were a DC in this League, I would stay awake nights simply pondering the possiblities. They are so hard to even contemplate, I doubt I would get one comfortable nights sleep. And with Coach Ken ram-rodding the Defense, I truely feel the curse is, as it supposed to be, History.

JJ

July 19th, 2009
4:04 pm

SW,

I’ll go with Harry D. Same reasons as you stated above but he’s quicker than michael and has shown flashes of a superstar.

Unca' Bob

July 19th, 2009
4:12 pm

JJ,

There you go,again, picking on the old and imfirmed. Kiss my old and infirmed buttocks. If you feel there is anyone out there better than me, bring them forward. I am truely looking forward to your young guns.

JJ

July 19th, 2009
4:14 pm

lol, hey keep the jack flowing my friend but deflate Dolly and stop with the commercials, we’re not going to dollywood…oh and we want part of our river back!!!

Bad News

July 19th, 2009
4:16 pm

Tony Gonzales will not be a benefit, because he will just clog up the middle. Unless you have a qb with a “big league” arm, he will not be able to stretch the field.

Matty Ice can’t throw more than 40 yards without lobbing it to compensate for lack of arm strength.

Unca' Bob

July 19th, 2009
4:31 pm

JJ,

Huh?

lol, hey keep the jack flowing my friend but deflate Dolly and stop with the commercials, we’re not going to dollywood…oh and we want part of our river back!!!

JJ

July 19th, 2009
4:34 pm

Unca’ Bob

July 19th, 2009
2:58 pm
Stewart Cink I think played golf at GT. I also think he still lives in the Atlanta area. Maybe not.

TPC at Sugarloaf, north of Atlanta but it’s like a big city for you mountain men!

Unca' Bob

July 19th, 2009
4:42 pm

JJ,

Please forgive me for finally getting one right. Blind hogs and acorns.

jason

July 19th, 2009
4:51 pm

I am going to pick HD, Seminole. I think with so much attention being paid to Gonzo, Gonzo will open up holes for HD to shred the middle of the field, ala Wes Welker.

And to join the fray… WR, you posted this earlier:

Unca’Bob, you give a volunteer a bone and you hope he buries it, but like a bad dog sometimes you have to take him out to the woodshed and bend him over. Volunteers should go play catch with those dogs up in Athens, because down in Atlanta we run’em over in our rambling wrecks.

My reply: I see you only get that Wreck up and running once every 8 years.

jason

July 19th, 2009
4:53 pm

SSSH, there is another hater on our blog……

JJ

July 19th, 2009
5:00 pm

Unca’Bob,

All in fun my friend, you’re one of my ‘cage brothers. But I have to give you some props my man, you played one hell of a banjo in deliverance!

Unca' Bob

July 19th, 2009
5:09 pm

Cagers,

It has been a true and wonderful day in the Cage. Thank you one and all. I’m like all y’all, this is without doubt, the premiere spot to post. I’ve been half way round the world, two hog callin’s, and a county fair, it don’t get no better than this. Y’all enjoy your night and I shall see you in the morning.

Unca' Bob

July 19th, 2009
5:19 pm

JJ,

Yes I did. I certainly enjoyed your pig impersonsonations. PS you got some pretty lips on ya’

JJ

July 19th, 2009
5:23 pm

JJ

July 19th, 2009
5:27 pm

tu shei Unca’ bob!

SeminoleWarrior

July 19th, 2009
5:29 pm

HD over Mj this season, huh? I like the Wes Welker comparsions though. Good feedback though.

SeminoleWarrior

July 19th, 2009
5:30 pm

Ease up on Unca Bob now…we got to get our home brew from somewhere.

SeminoleWarrior

July 19th, 2009
5:32 pm

Laters Bob…see ya on the other side.

Unca' Bob

July 19th, 2009
5:38 pm

JJ,

Tried to beg out before, saw your post and felt the need to say something, in in my own defense. It’s all good. See Y’all in the morning

JJ

July 19th, 2009
5:44 pm

Unca’Bob,

It’s all good my friend, just having some fun! “Tak er easy”!
See ya tomorrow!

BT

July 19th, 2009
6:00 pm

Howdy, all my Cage friends.
The Cage has certainly been rattling today.

On the question of possible Falcon MVP…Burner.
He was a strong candidate last season and probably would have won it if not Payton have such an outstanding season more less single handedly taking the Colts to the season they had.

On the question of who benefits because of Tony G.,I am going with HD.
Jenkins might actually end up with less looks, IMO.

Great point by Unca Bob about Hartsock being a fantastic blocker.
Two things I noticed after his injury, there was more pressure on Ryan in the pocket and the run game was not as consistent.
They guy truly made a difference.

Good point by Jason about having two good recieving TE`s but my mind had already been thinking about the aspects of having two great blocking TE`s with the return of Hartsock and the addition of Tony G.
Burner running behind that with Ovie clearing a path?
2nd and short with that, OMG, lets line it up a go smash mouth.

Sarah B

July 19th, 2009
6:02 pm

Wow – looks like stayed at the pool to long and see what I missed! I also think it will be HD or Jenks, after all the catch he made in the CHI game was the bomb. All those stupid Bears fans were pouring out thinking they had won. Laughing at us then just like we had the last laugh. Favorite game of last year. That and the at Packers win. Good stuff and more to come this year.

CBrass

July 19th, 2009
6:17 pm

I’m going to be the odd one and say Norwood. The Birds are a run first team and with his lighten speed and his ability to catch out of the back field is the reason that I give him my pick. I just keep thinking back to the pass he caught and took to the house. I mean the guy is so fast that he high stepped for a good 25-30 yards and wasn’t even touch until he got into the endzone!! Also many of you think he will receive more touches due to the fact they do not want over work Turner.

BT

July 19th, 2009
6:30 pm

Great point CBreeze, I too believe Norwood is the real deal (as many others think so too) and he will surely get more opportunities within the offence.
Truth is, Turner will have his load lessened from the 370 touches and Norwood will be the main benefactor of that.
He had already has been a huge factor in spelling Burner and being a key in our kick return game.
This season it`s our hopes that Brown will take up the slack in sharing kick return duties with HD, with the effect of freeing Norwood up to play more offence and exposing him less to injury.

Sarah B

July 19th, 2009
6:45 pm

CBreeze – that is funny and one of my favorite drinks! Well, behind a Margarita.

BT

July 19th, 2009
6:46 pm

A question for anyone willing to answer.
Are the Falcons really a run first team?
I know that`s been the trend so far but is that truly their actual ultimate and end goal?

BT

July 19th, 2009
7:08 pm

The reason I ask that question is..
When Smitty was hired, some of the first words that came out of his mouth at his initial presser was..”We will be a team that runs the football and stops the run.”
Then on the other side, with Thomas Dimitroff.
He quoted very early on as saying..”I am a bit of a quarterback snob.”
And then he proceeds to draft a QB with his first signature pick.

Is there a contradiction here in basic philosophy?

SeminoleWarrior

July 19th, 2009
7:11 pm

Good, diverse set of response to the questions of the day. I like that. BT, I would say that they are a run first team. But the pass will come into play much more this season given the off-season actions and the continuing development of MR.

SeminoleWarrior

July 19th, 2009
7:15 pm

BT, once they saw what they had in the house at the QB position, it was clear that they needed a LEADER at the position. TD, being the great scout he is, knew that the pickings would be slim for a few years to come so he took the best one available last season in Matt Ryan. It was a shrewd move on his part. As far as RB, he satisfied Coach Smith and Mad Mike’s desire by getting the best F/A RB available. Again, this is where the scouting came into play. Turner was the real deal and they knew it. TD made sure that AB knew that we had to sign this guy if we wanted to be an offensive force. I’m just happy that in both case, AB listened to the young man.

SeminoleWarrior

July 19th, 2009
7:23 pm

If you look at the Super Bowl winners since 2000, there are two common threads that come to light. Either they were lead by stellar defensive play or they had LEADERS at the quarterback position. We are in the developing stage of BOTH of these elements.

Three of those titles were won by the Patriots. And who was a CRITICAL key in the systematic scouting and acquistion of the core of those teams? TD.

CBrass

July 19th, 2009
7:33 pm

SeminoleWarrior,

That is the main thing that sits so well with me is that one of the main brain trusts that was behind NE’s super bowl run is now scouting for the Birds. For a team to be successful it all starts at the top. Great owner(AB), a GM that knows what he’s doing(TD) and a great coaching staff(lead by Smitty). We have everything at the top and looking to put the finishing touches of putting the right product on the field. The years to come looks extremely bright for our Birds!!!

So sad to say that my Braves are going in the opposite direction!!!!

CBrass

July 19th, 2009
7:35 pm

BT,

CBreeze…LOL love it.

Sarah B,

Not much of a drinker but what’s goes into a cbreeze?!?!

BT

July 19th, 2009
7:42 pm

I`m thinking there is no contradiction in philosophy and ultimately they don`t want to be a run first or a pass first team.
True, S.W. signing of Burner and the drafting of Ryan demonstrated a desire to be effective at both.
What I am getting at is, the concept of balance.
A balance of finesse with power both run and pass.
That`s the key to being almost unstoppable.
It`s easy to see, that is what the Falcons desire to achieve (and have at least on paper) and it`s soon to be demostrated.

SeminoleWarrior

July 19th, 2009
7:44 pm

CBrass, I totally agree. And as far as our beloved Braves go, we can only hope that one day, someone will come along, buy the team from the Liberty Media jerks, and restore some sound sense to the team. We are cheap, not willing to make the moves, but they are still better than most of the teams I watched growing up at the old AFCS.

SeminoleWarrior

July 19th, 2009
7:47 pm

BT, I’m with you. And the team is being constructed with a pick your poison mindset. The offense will be lethal. And once the defense is at full strength, any weakness on offense will be offset by dynamic special teams play and and opportunistic defense. That concept is what has been the key to the success of the Patriots and with Patriot way moving south, I sense we will share the same success soon.

BT

July 19th, 2009
7:48 pm

I glad you were not offended by me calling you CBreeze.
It just seemed to have an easier tone that fit your persona.
Cool as a nice sea breeze.

SeminoleWarrior

July 19th, 2009
7:54 pm

It’s all about the process. For instance, I would not be surprised at all if we trade our 1st round pick next year for a deal that involves multiple picks over possible a year or two.

Can you name a position of KEY need that we have that would facilitate a first round pick next year? Again, using his background, why would TD not stock up if possible?

BT

July 19th, 2009
7:55 pm

Absolutely S.W., the concept of balance and building within a scheme specific plan in not limited to offence.
Our young defence is only a year behind the offence in getting to where they want to be.

It`s true CBreeze, our Falcon futures are very bright.

D3

July 19th, 2009
7:55 pm

Good Sunday Evening Fellas and Gals in the ‘Cage! Wow, has the Bird-Cage really picked up some serious momentum or what? 4th page in a day and a half. Great to see. Did you realize we’re less than 2 weeks away from the most competitive Training Camp in Atlanta Falcons history. And to it……..

Lance Won’t Win an 8th Yellow Jersey – It would have been the greatest comeback ever in sports, but it wasn’t in the cards. Armstrong was in the hunt and still will probably win 2nd or 3rd, but his teammate pulled away in the mountains with less than a week. Still, one helluva comeback at 37 years of age. Kind of sucks, oh well. Sorry, had to get that out of the way.

Sarah B. – Oh yeah, the Chicago game. Best game of the year, by far and away. My brother and I attended the game and we’re going to be devastated after playing such a great game; and the comeback for the ages happened. Love taunting those obnoxious fans. Of all the fans I’ve seen in the Dome, they were the worst, with the Cowboys being a close second.

CBrass – Norwood will certainly be heavily watched this year as we expect to see him pick up a serious workload off of Turner. Better enjoy it this year, because unless he wants to stay in Atlanta, there will be a plethora of teams waiting to throw starting dough his way.

BT – Nice point about TBrown. I’m going with the assumption that this will be Norwood’s last year, so this is TBrown or Snelling’s opportunity to show the coaches if they have what it takes to be a #2 back in the NFL. If not, then look for us to draft an RB in the 4th round or so. After OLB, and TE of course.

Seminole – Good point on Arthur Blanks role in signing free agents. He is definitely the closer when free agents come to town. He rolls out the red carpet and I can’t recall many free agents getting away that they really wanted to sign. He’s the man as far as that’s concerned.

BT(2) – We’re definitely a run-first team. Coach Mularkey’s offensive philosophy is known as “fancy smash-mouth” or something to that effect. We are a run first team, play action team that will occasionally mix it up with 3 and 4 receiver sets, and even thrown in no-huddles every once in a while. The addition of TG will be very tempting for him to start airing it out more, lord knows I would if I were him.

Seminole(2) – Great research my man. You’re exactly right, and the teams that have won it multiple times in the decade (Steelers, Patriots) had both.

More later ‘Cagers!

Hunter

July 19th, 2009
8:00 pm

Here’s my first thought on the upcoming season that keeps coming to mind:

* I think the Falcons will have to win the division to go to the playoffs. With each of the NFC South teams playing the AFC East and NFC East, I don’t see how a team from the NFC South will get a couple of cheap wins that are needed to get the wild card. I think if you want to go to the playoffs from the NFC South, you’d better win the division. And I think the Falcons will do that.

For more, check out the Football List blog at http://footballlists.wordpress.com

SeminoleWarrior

July 19th, 2009
8:17 pm

D3, this will be Norwood’s last year in ATL. He will be paid to be someone’s RB next season. I’m hoping that Sarah’s and my man, Jason Snelling, (oops..Sarahs’ man is anyone named Barber), will rise to occasion and show his stuff. He is a dual threat. He has the size to be an effective FB if something should happen to Ovie. His pass catching skills and toughness running inside make him a nice complement to MT as well. Weighing 230 is not shabby as well.

As far as the possible drafting of an OLB and/or TE next year, both seem to be a little on the thin side. At OLB, Mizzou’s Sean Weatherspoon is the one to watch according to what I have read thus far. Can Brandon Spikes of Florida play OLB or is he a pure ILB. AS far as TE, Jermaine Gresham of OU and Arizona’s Rob Gronkowski will raise many an eye.

Damned…the season has not even started and I’m already scouting. I have it bad!!

BT

July 19th, 2009
8:21 pm

I hear ya D3, think about the holes Burner and Norwood would have to run through if, they came out chucking it more often to the bounty of down field weapons.
I`m thinking Matty Ice was held back a bit last season because of protecting the offence from possible rookie mistakes.
That won`t necessarily be the case this season and besides, Smitty is the one that ultimately decides the game plan, not mad Mike.

SeminoleWarrior

July 19th, 2009
8:22 pm

Hunter, I think the NFC South can get two teams in. A solid performance by ATL, NO, or Carolina can make for an interesting wild card race. I have no doubt ATL will be in the race until deep in the season. The NFC East will have the G-men and Eagles battling with the ‘Skins and ‘Boys having issues. The Central will be won by Green Bay contrary to popular belief. And I’m not sure that a resurgent and health Bear team will give it up easily to the Vikings. And look for Seattle to make noise out west if Hasselback can stay health.

CBrass

July 19th, 2009
8:24 pm

BT,

LOL was nicked named CBrass while play ball in college and they would at times call me CBreeze so not a problem at all.

D3,

Do you really think this will be his last season in ATL? I hope not but I understand why it may be. he would most definitely be a starter (meaning more money) for another team. I just hope that he see what a great thing we have going in ATL and both parties works hard to find a way to keep him here. I really enjoy watching him play.

Sarah B,

The Chicago game was my first Falcons game ever and boy it was a good one to get to!! I thought I was going to go home heart broken but Elam surely redeemed himself!!!

SeminoleWarrior

July 19th, 2009
8:26 pm

BT, I have to diagree. I’m sure that Mad Mike had the keys to the car on offense last year. Smitty was too busy with BVG evaluating the D. That evaluation was key in the changes we saw this offseason on the D.

Sarah B

July 19th, 2009
8:44 pm

CBreeze it’s Vodka, Orange or Grapefruit juice and a splash of Cran. Very tasty. What ball did you play in College? And you picked a good one for your first Falcons game.

CBrass

July 19th, 2009
8:48 pm

Sarah B,

I may have to try that. I played basketball. Played the 2 & 3 positions.

Sarah B

July 19th, 2009
8:50 pm

Whether or not the NFC South gets 2 in the playoff will depend on the NFC North. Also how much Jason Campbell was pissed off about being trade bait. Eagles will be dangerous if McNabb & Westbrook stay healthy. I am glad we are playing them in the TerrorDome this year. We all know what happened last time that happened on MNF.

D3 – the Philly fans were the worst. I saw more fights that night than ever. CHI fans are mouthy but not much fighting.

Sarah B

July 19th, 2009
8:54 pm

CBrass it’s somewhat a healthy drink too, what with all the Vit. C. Coming to any games this year? If not come to TC Aug. 1st AM. A lot of us will be there and it’s a good time to get autographs. I’ll be gunning for Ryan and Turner’s.

Sarah B

July 19th, 2009
9:01 pm

D3 I still need some schoolin on a online draft. Do you concur with right after the 3rd pre-season game?

Sarah B

July 19th, 2009
9:02 pm

Cbrass what school?

BosnianBaller

July 19th, 2009
9:04 pm

Who would of projected the 98 Falcons
No one

SeminoleWarrior

July 19th, 2009
9:04 pm

Mix me up one Sarah…I’ll pick it up in ten minutes. LOL. I think the Saints and the Falcons both have the fire power to make serious playoff runs this season. Carolina will go as Jake goes. The same will be the case in NFC East…G-men and Eagles will battle. It is going to be a very interesting year. And the Dome will have to be the KEY to our success.

I know we in section 209 will do our part to make life a living hell for the opposition.

Sarah B

July 19th, 2009
9:09 pm

SW – 209? You must be better off than me. I’m in 342 row 6. But still good seats. Just none of the bells and whistles.

Sarah B

July 19th, 2009
9:10 pm

Let’s hope ‘Shakey Jake’ plays like he did against Arizona both times we play them.

D3

July 19th, 2009
9:24 pm

Sarah B. – online draft, it basically goes the same way as a live draft except picks are made through ESPN’s website. Everyone logs on through ESPN into our league and everyone gets 90 seconds to make their pick.

The problem will obviously be when to do it. Can’t do it on August 22nd due to prior plans, but any Saturday or Sunday in August after the 8th or so. We could do like the 29th or 30th. The issue is definitely going to be getting every one on board for a draft date.

Evidently jason is still having issues signing up and haven’t heard from Stirg in a long while.

jason – email me or post if you’re still having trouble getting your team registered.

SeminoleWarrior

July 19th, 2009
9:24 pm

Sarah, I love 209! Was my gift to myself upon my retirement from active duty.

WR

July 19th, 2009
9:26 pm

I see the cage has blown wide open, must be getting close to football season including fantasy season. Gotta try to catch back up.

I agree with Jason, unless the Falcons go 13-3, Mike Smith won’t win back to back coach of the year. I do see Matt getting some good votes for player of the year if he shines with all his weapons.

My sleeper is also Harry Douglas, I think the addition of Gonzo and the treat of Norwood and Turner will open things up for HD to do what he does best, that is getting yards after the catch.

Seminole, got to disagree on Norwood, I don’t seem him as being built to carry the load for a team, he gets nicked up alot and he’s not that good between the tackles. If a team is going to invest starter money in a RB he needs to be an everydown back, Norwood is more of a change of pace back. Now if for some reason he did leave, theres a good back over in GT land named Dwyer, that I would love to see in a Falcons uniform, and not because he goes to Tech. By the way, missing Mark is not the problem, its the fact that ya’ll stopped giving away free shoes.

JJ, I see you torn it up in the cage today, glad to see someone get off the wreck, but the wreck can handle it. Today has definitely been a blast, we now have sports analysis, cooks, preachers,online dating services and now comedians, what will we think of next.

Just a thought sense so many people are bringing up the Falcons schedule, if the Falcons do qualify for the playoffs they will be extremely battle tested which might get us closer to that walk down Peachtree.

Off to grab some dinner, catch you later members of the ever changing cage.

SeminoleWarrior

July 19th, 2009
9:28 pm

D3…August 29th were are at home for Pre-season game three versus the Chargers. 30th would work I would think.

CBrass

July 19th, 2009
9:29 pm

Sarah B,

I played at Brewton-Parker College. It’s a small school in south Georgia. Not sure if I will make any games or not. I’m going a lot of my Dawgs games this season and on Sundays I’m beyond tired. I really want to make one or two. If I do I’ll be sure to let you guys know.

Sarah B

July 19th, 2009
9:32 pm

Nice gift and sounds like you deserved it.

Sarah B

July 19th, 2009
9:37 pm

Matt Ryan is on TV getting his ESPY right now.

CBrass

July 19th, 2009
9:38 pm

Just watched Matty win his ESPY and I’ll have to say he was looking pretty good!!!

Matt Ryan Observer

July 19th, 2009
9:51 pm

BT

July 19th, 2009
10:21 pm

S.W. you may have misunderstood me?
I am very sure Smitty was very involved in the game plan phase of both the offence and defence.
However, in calling the actual plays he allowed his coordinators the flexibility of calling the game on game days.
In fact, on offence the first eight or ten plays are likely scripted to judge the opposing defence`s reaction to various formations at the time of the snap.
From there it`s a matter of executing pre set options within the framework of a pre established game plan.
That is where the OC has his flexibility in exercising his options in play calling.
That`s not to say Mularkey is not important but the overall picture is directed by Smitty.

Nookah

July 19th, 2009
10:29 pm

Man oh man!!!! I missed some great banter this evening. I just finished browsing through the posts and I can’t believe the quality exchange that has taken place………..and I was not here!!!!!!!!! Great going guys and I tip my cap to Seminole. You rocked this evening my brother, great job!!!

Unca’ Bob, you stole my thunder, MJ is also my choice. As you alluded to, with the undivided attention that RW, TG, JN et al will get, MJ will be open all day long. Furthermore he has already developed a chemistry with MJ for big plays. We can all recall the first game of last season vs. Detroit, boom!!!! 62 yards…..and then vs. Chcago with 11 seconds to go…boom!!!! MJ on an outroute….catch…Jason Elam up…game winner!!!!

After all we got our own MJ!!!!!

Go Falcons!!!

Nuff respect everytime!!!!

Dean21

July 19th, 2009
11:54 pm

I agree Nookah, Seminole Warrior did his thing today and I hate that I missed it as well! But his topics were on point and all of the responses were valid choices. I guess I’ll close out the night with my choice…I think the sleeper this season will be Matt Ryan…No one is expecting this kid to duplicate last season..I say, he will better his stats and his play from last season and he will carry the birds to a Division title, playoffs and hopefully a shot a the superbowl this year.

D3, I’m in contact with a member of the Falcons staff and waiting on respond for our meet & greet area at the Branch. Hopefully we can get a set up area early in the AM on August 1st.

Jason, what’s going on my friend? Will you be able to make it to Training Camp?

The cage is back and it’s the best thing rockin on AJC and any other blog!!

Dean21

July 19th, 2009
11:58 pm

I agree Nookah, Seminole Warrior did his thing today and I hate that I missed it as well! But his topics were on point and all of the responses were valid choices. I guess I’ll close out the night with my choice…I think the sleeper this season will be Matt Ryan…No one is expecting this kid to duplicate last season..I say, he will better his stats and his play from last season and he will carry the birds to a Division title, playoffs and hopefully a shot a the superbowl this year.

D3, I’m in contact with a member of the Falcons staff and waiting on a response for our meet & greet area at the Branch. Hopefully we can get a set up area early in the AM on August 1st.

Jason, what’s going on my friend? Will you be able to make it to Training Camp?

The cage is back and it’s the best thing rockin on AJC and any other blog!!

Mr. NFL

July 20th, 2009
12:21 am

***Attention All**

Sportscenter & all affiliates can once again resume all highlight reels, as “Mr. NFL” better known as the one and only great Mike Vick, will officially take center stage on all networks starting tomorrow.

Have a nice day!

jason

July 20th, 2009
12:31 am

CBrass, good call on Norwood. I would have to agree enen though I initially picked HD.

BT, ATL is a run first offense. Having said that, in the NFL, the #1 priority is to stop the run. Sometimes you need to pass to set up the run. Also with the run offense you wear down Ds an d eat up clock saving your defense. TD drafted Ryan so ATL would have a decision maker to get into the right play whether it be runn/pass.

2 TE set, smash mouth football, I will take it. Let’s go power I with 2TE and a FB with a 240lb TB.

Sorry I had to break away with out saying goodbye. I had an important dinner to get to. I recieved my plane tickets to Disney World. We leave this coming weekend. Got home and watched the Braves game I recorded. At least they won and scored alot of runs (Sorry, wrong Blog).

Boxcarar

July 20th, 2009
12:36 am

CBreeze, what part of South Georgia? I have family farm just North of Tifton. I also agree about Norwood breaking out. In regards to the OPY, imagine where the Birds would be if Tony G. won it. I also hope that T Brown staying healthy will put him in line for post Norwood playing time.

jason

July 20th, 2009
12:47 am

D3, I still have not gotten registered. I got the user name, and have cheched out the FF site. I am not the most computer savy. I think I miight be overlooking something. I will try again tomorrow afternoon.

Draft on 30 AUG…. That’s my B-Day. Can I just have who I want? LOL!!!
Sounds good to me, I have nothing planned at that time. I will be celebrating My day with mt Son’s. His is 24 AUG.

Seminole, you rocked it today. Had alot of fun. This is probably the best day in the Cage in a while. Gotta go to bed, full day of work tomorrow. I will however be checking in throughout the day. Later.

SeminoleWarrior

July 20th, 2009
8:30 am

Good morning Cage!! First, thanks for the kind words. I’m nothing special; just a passionate fan. Yesterday was all about peeps like Jason and BT. They lit the fire; I was just fortunate to carry the torch for a while. The REAL credit is to be passed to my brothers.

Another week begins and we are moving closer to the start of the process, edition 2009. I’m jacked. CBreeze, if I may call you that, I feel you on the rolls between south GA and ATL/AHN. I make them all each year as I chase the ‘Noles on Saturdays and the “Birds on Sunday. I’m normally dead on Mondays, my forecasts typically suck, but I still have the rush of a hell of a weekend. Hope to see ya at the Dome at least once this season my sister.

BT, we are good my brother. We came from the same point of view on Smitty and his management style. Smitty carefully put this staff together for exactly the reasons you identified.

WR, I see your point on Norwood. It was either CBreeze or Ronde’s sweetie that made the point that we would have to work a deal to keep him. I don’t think we will overpay for him next year. That may make him move on. I love his speed and his ability to break it anytime. I hope he stays. And trust me, I did not miss the “free shoes” reference. I’ll get you. Unca Bob….he is at it again!! LOL.

Again, we are the PREMIER AJC blog. Why? ONE NATION…FALCON NATION!!

jason

July 20th, 2009
8:38 am

I think I just read the absolute dumbest blog. I feel alot more dumber today. I hit the link posted above by an apparent Ryan hater. My word, what some stupind unintelligable people. No thoughts or facts to back their crap up. THe best one was the best shot at pretending to think. Posted was that Flacco was a hell of alot better than Ryand. SOmeone (Unca’Bob) post the stats and compare. Not to mention that Flacco had a top 5 defense protecting his a$$. Add to the fact that BLT played for FGs and not TDs like they always do.

G GS COM/ATT PCT YDS PER TD INT R ATT RTG
Flacco, Joe 16 16 257 428 60.0 2971 6.9 14 12 143 32 80.3
Ryan, Matt 16 16 265 434 61.1 3440 7.9 16 11 157 17 87.7

Now, I am not bashing on Flacco, who I think is a good young QB who will get better and better also. But to say that Flacco is all that much better than Ryan is STUPID at best. Just because you loved MV; that’s not enough to make a statement like that. I loved MV also, but MV is no longer with ATL. MV is in the past, and it is time to move on. To all MV fanatics, if you love MV that much; you were never a TRUE and LOYAL fan of ATL. You were a true and loyal fan to only MV. And you show your selfishness as MV did.

jason

July 20th, 2009
8:46 am

I think Norwood will be moving on after this year. You can’t blame him. He needs to go for that big pay day. Is he a restricted FA? Now saying that he is indeed leaving, then TBrown has to prove he can stay healthy. If not, I see ATL using a mid round pick on a RB. I like that Snelling will be around, but he will be our FB/TB. We will still have a need for another RB if TBrown can’t stay healthy.

Another point on Norwood, He will double his touches this year. By taking more touches away from Turner to lighten his (Turner) workload. He iwll be more dangerous coming out of the backfield as a dump off WR for Ryan. Gining to be interesting seeing what he will provide ATL on Offense. I also don’t see him returning KOs if TBrown is healthy. That will keep him more refreshed and hopefully increase the chances that he can avoid those nicks and stay injury free.

doo mauh mauh maunz

July 20th, 2009
8:53 am

I watched the replay of the Ravens/Dolphins playoff game last night and if someone truly believes Flacco is better than Ryan………well they need to lay down the wacky weed!!

Bait

July 20th, 2009
8:54 am

D Led – please tell someone at AJC.com that M Vick is not on the Falcons anymore; so take hime out of the Falcons Section. He should be in the National News Section with all the other domestic felons.

SeminoleWarrior

July 20th, 2009
8:55 am

Jason, my brother, the fool got to you! Ohhhhhhh, D3 is going to keep you after school, LOL. I saw that poison when I logged on this morn.

The haters will continue my friend; they will not rest until we are having the parade on Peachtree. Then they will try to muscle in our celebration. Nookah would provide a “Nesta” reference right now to calm us down. I’m not schooled in “Nesta” but I do know a damned good Dr. that I will use at this moment.

Quoting ATL’s #1 son:

The ultimate measure of a man (team) is not when he (they) stand in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he (they) stand in times of challenge and controversy….MLK.

This process is going to continue. There is nothing that the haters can do to stop it. So let them have their moment & let them act like silly. Simply put my brother, let them be. In the end, victory, ohhhh a VERY sweet victory, will be that of the FALCON NATION.

Ok…that’s my Monday morning sermon from the pulpit of Warrior Baptist Church. One love; the love of brothers and sisters in the CAGE!!

CBrass

July 20th, 2009
8:57 am

Boxcarar,

Mt. Vernon(about 5-10 mins from Vidalia). I didn’t even know that place existed until I went down for a tryout(Mt. Vernon that is)…LOL

Unca' Bob

July 20th, 2009
8:59 am

Cager’s,

Just a reminder of the value of J Norwood. Last year he had 2138 All-purpose yards. Thats 3rd in the NFL. It also accounts for 27% of Atlanta’s total yardage.

Vick Supporter

July 20th, 2009
9:03 am

Mike Vick’s comeback starts today…..

SeminoleWarrior

July 20th, 2009
9:10 am

Unca Bob, I concur on his value. But value will come at a price. If he is willing to take “reserve” like money to stay, he is a keeper. But I do no think he will. Speed is much desired in the league and there will be a team that thinks he could be the man. “Little” guys like Warrick Dunn and currently Steve Slaton have enjoyed success. I think Norwood could as well. Thoughts, my veteran brother?

CBrass

July 20th, 2009
9:16 am

You know what they say…if you have haters you’re obviously doing something right. Judging by the amount of awards that Matty has recieved and the games that he won(without a top 10 defense to support him) he is most definitely doing something right. So by all means…haters continue to hate. It’s only going to make him work harder and get even better.

SeminoleWarrior,

I do not miss driving down those roads…it was like traveling to the middle of nowhere on the most god awful stretch of highway(I-16). The only time I take that road now is when I’m heading to the Cocktail party. I’m going to try and make a game and I’ll be sure to let you guys know. LOL and calling me CBreeze is fine…I’ve been called worse.

Gotta get some work done…catch up with you guys and gals later.

Unca' Bob

July 20th, 2009
9:17 am

Seminole Warrior,

Last year J Norwood made $450,000. M Turner made $16,000,000. What would you do? Me too.

What!!!

July 20th, 2009
9:23 am

Watched the Ravens/Dolphins replay last night and Flacco is not even close to being as good as Ryan.

Unca' Bob

July 20th, 2009
9:27 am

Seminole Warrior,

At 5′11″ and 202 lbs, he would need to bulk up some, but, yes I feel he could tote the load.

Unca' Bob

July 20th, 2009
9:30 am

Cager’s

One more point. He is perhaps the fastest man in football. He ran a 4.26 forty at the ‘07 Combine.

Unca' Bob

July 20th, 2009
9:34 am

er, umm, ‘06 Combine.

SeminoleWarrior

July 20th, 2009
9:34 am

Unca Bob, I see your point. I raised this point last week and I will do it again today. Priority one next season will be the OL. The moves that they made this year were purely for depth. One year tenders to Clabo and Dahl will have to be turned into long term deals if the process is to continue. Blalock is a RFA next year so we will have to move sooner rather than later on him as well. Don’t get me wrong…I trust in TD to get it done. We also have to figure out what we are going to do with our punter next season. He is not a long range bomber with his kicks but he is one hell of an assess when it comes to field positioning.

Given those scenarios, Norwood may not be the priority that some may think he is. Again, the man has MAD skills and we could definately do well to keep him. My ACC brother, the keeper of the Junkit (aka Wreck) makes a great point about young talent available in next year’s draft.
I just think that the team will let him move on given the greater needs that will surface next offseason.

SeminoleWarrior

July 20th, 2009
9:37 am

Norwood is a little on the fragile side but with conditioning, I think he could do it Unca B. Going to be interesting to see how it plays out. But that OL situation is key. I would not want to see that continuity broken up fo any reason. I’m sure MT and MR would agree with me.

SeminoleWarrior

July 20th, 2009
9:43 am

The key question is would he play second fiddle to Turner for what would have to be considerably less cash? I can not see us having two large contracts tied up at the RB position especially when there will be more pressing needs in other areas.

Wonder what the rest of the Cage thinks Unca B?

Unca' Bob

July 20th, 2009
9:52 am

Seminole Warrior,

I agree that we need to get our O-Line packaged up. I know it will happen, it’s just when. I’m not sure it is a priority right now but I would rather get it done sooner. M Koenen wore the franchise tag this year and the signing deadline has passed. He will have to wait until this season is over.

Unca' Bob

July 20th, 2009
9:57 am

Good question. Some have said he will go for the money. Others feel he will stick around for a shot at The Ring. Me, I have no idea. J Norwood is the only person that can answer that.

Unca' Bob

July 20th, 2009
10:06 am

Another smallish RB making a living is K Faulk. 5′8″ 202 lbs.

jason

July 20th, 2009
10:16 am

Sorry, We all slip up from time to time. It wasn’t the love for MV, It was that people actually think Flacco is that much better than Ryan. I usaually don’t fall for that crap, But….

I agree on the Norwood points. I to think OL will have to addressed before we get to Norwood. I also think an OL will be drafted around round 2 next year. THe question is, Is Norwood a restricted FA next year? If so, we hold the cards. We either match the offer or let him go and gain compensation. By doing that, You know TD likes his draft picks.

Unca' Bob

July 20th, 2009
10:25 am

jason,

Norwood will be an UFA and if not signed by Feb., he can sign with any team for no compensation.

Nathan Mayer

July 20th, 2009
10:26 am

Unca' Bob

July 20th, 2009
10:30 am

Nathan Mayer,

The 376 carries are for the regular season. If you count the 18 carries against the Cards post-season, it does come to 394.

WR

July 20th, 2009
10:31 am

Not to take anything away from Norwood but I see him needing to have a big year to really garner big time RB money. Yes he accounted for a major portion of the Falcons yardage, but when you consider that 827 of the 2138 yards were from rushing and receiving, the rest was return yardage. Now Pittsburgh give up 13.9 points per game and were number one in defense, that averages out to either 5 FGs or 2 TDs per game. Using the 5 FGs as a point of reference, an average kickoff return specialist averages between 18-20 yards per return. Thats in the ball park of 100 yards a game which translates to nearly 1600 yards over a season. The Falcons played bend but don’t break defense last year, opponents were scoring often but they weren’t scoring TDs. Norwood had the third highest amount of kickoff returns in the NFC which means he was returning alot of kickoffs, which also means his all-purpose yardage would substantially be inflated. There’s no comparison between Norwood and Dunn, Dunn was of a different breed, no one had saw a back that small move between the tackles as Dunn did, he had a knack for avoiding the big time hits, Slaton is somewhat the same, yes Norwood is built with tremendous speed but he’s not all that lose in the hips and you can’t train for that, he’s fast more than he is quick. The thing is his production actually dropped last year from his previous two years, and now we think he can be a full time starter, if that were the case, why would the birds invest so much money in Turner and Norwood was already on the roster,why, because they know he can not carry a full load.

jason

July 20th, 2009
10:32 am

Unca’ Bob, That sucks. All you can do is start negotiations. Throw out a number and see if you are warm. If we indeed lose Norwood, I will miss what he brings to the team, But ATL won’t skip a beat. With the system ATL has in place they could fill the back up RB spot rather quickly (TBrown) provided he is healthy. TBrown would be used in the same way to avoid over exposure to injury.

BT

July 20th, 2009
10:47 am

Good morning fellow Cagers,
S.W. yeah, we are cool my brother.
I really like to talking Falcon football philosophy, strategy and personnel and the Cage is the top place on the web to do just that.
Your earlier sermon was just preaching to the choir.

On the Jerious Norwood situation, I see both sides of the debate but I lean to the side of getting ”J smooth” re-signed.
He is too big of an assset to let get away.
Unca Bob is dead on point.
One point no one has brought up is, the up coming CBA and it`s ramications in keeping our core players.

With that, I with the idea of going LB and TE early in the 2010 draft to groom Tony G. and Petterson`s eventual replacements but the O- line will not be ignored..

Laters, so much to say but so little time to say it.

SeminoleWarrior

July 20th, 2009
10:50 am

WR, my Norwood/Dunn comparison was in physical statue only. We share the same view on the RB situation. The GA faithful seems high on TBrown and he is a low cap figure so if he is healthy and looks good, I think the Falcons will stay with him. Norwood is cool with the role now but when it about his long-term, unless he wants to accept a Kevin Faulk like role, Norwood will be gone next year. I can’t see him not wanting the money.

OL HAS to be a priority if the process it to continue. With two of five starters potential UFAs next season, and a third a RFA, we have to begin to address as soon as this season is over and definately before Februrary. The depth we added is simply that…depth. Reynolds may be an heir apprarent with Clabo moving back inside to guard. But it would be a damned shame to break up CLub Nasty…Clabo and Dahl. They owned the right side for the vast majority of the season. And with another year under coach B, I think they are Pro Bowl potential.

WR

July 20th, 2009
10:52 am

Unca’Bob, yes K.Faulk is making a living but in yet another back up role, plus he has a different build. Norwood is not going to gain much lower body strength no matter how much he works out, its the way he’s built. Look at Dunn, he was of small stature but he was built proportionately, meaning it was spread evenly throughout and actually he had pretty big legs for his size. Norwood is built like a long distance track athlete. His legs are extremely thin and he has admited himself that he has never been able to add much muscle strength to his legs. Every good everydown back in the league whether prototype size or smaller, past and present, have powerfully built legs, including Steve Slaton. The legs are what helps them take the constant pounding and gain strength in the fourth quarter, that is why Norwood stays so nicked up, his upper body is strong, but his lower body is weak, he’s just not built for a constant pounding. I do think he will get a substantial raise either from the Falcons or another team because more teams are focusing on the idea of having a two-headed monster, but IMHO no way is a team going to look at Norwood as there feature back.

WR

July 20th, 2009
10:59 am

As far as the OL goes, I see the birds looking at the center position really soon. McClure is getting on up there and his replacement needs to be groomed. As important as LT are the center position is one of the most important because they make the line calls. LT and LG are set, as long as McClure doesn’t decide to retire, the center position is set for another couple of years. Dahl and Clabo could be problematic. First they both excelled beyond expectations last year, another year of similar work or even an increase in production from both could put them in line for serious raises. The Falcons drafted a guard this year to groom, I see center and RT as possible selection points next year, along with getting a TE to groom.

SeminoleWarrior

July 20th, 2009
11:01 am

Jason.. Remember, barring a deal by TD, we have no second round selection in the ‘10 draft. But I could see a deal being made. And I can easily see Blalock being tendered with 2nd round value just like Clabo and Dahl were this past spring.

BT, you raise a great point on the upcoming CBA issues. That is why the move last week to get the minority partners on board was key. Mr. Blank is a great man. He has also shared a hell of a lot of money with the community. HD is in my stock portfolio, as I am sure it is in the plans of most CAGE members. Well, it has taken some major hits over the past few years. That means that AB is possibly at a little disadvantage to the wanna be Steinbrenners of the NFL (Jones, Synder).

The nearly $50 million he has pumped into the Dome is a blessing. The old girl is still a fine place I think but his deal with the state is crippling his revenue stream. That too is another reason why we have to solidfy the young core quickly and prudently. Challenges…but I trust that TD, AB, and others are working this as we speak.

SeminoleWarrior

July 20th, 2009
11:07 am

WR..again, we agree. The core of any successful offense is the OL. We need to keep them both. McClure has been a great leader and assest. I see another year or two max out of him. Wilkerson was a Rimington Award winner as the nation’s best center when he came out of LSU a few years back. Romberg was fairly effective with the Rams but projects as a B/U. But the long term talent in Dahl, Clabo, Blalock, and Baker are just too damned sweet to lose. MR and that line could be dominate for a long time.

WR

July 20th, 2009
11:08 am

Defensively, if Trey Lewis is healthy and Vance Walker can prove he was alot better, in my opinion, then a seventh round selection, the DL is set for years to come. The secondary is loaded with talent, although very young talent. LB is a concern, I expect big things from Nicholas and Lofton, but Peterson is a stop gap plug, yes he could have a good year or two left but ultimately time is not on his side. I’ve heard nothing but good things about Robert James, but I have seen nothing, not even stand out special teams play, so I have nothing to go on, except word of mouth and his college days as the beast, until proven wrong, LB is another point of attack in the draft in my opinion. Now if somehow Smitty and company get the lights to turn on in Spencer Adkins head, the Falcons are set, that guy moves like Derrick Brooks and he’s faster, he is actually as fast as Norwood which is unbelievable, but the U of Miami wasn’t able to help him turn on the lights.

SeminoleWarrior

July 20th, 2009
11:10 am

Back with WR one more time. Norwood will not be the feature back except in a few situations where team value speed. But I do think a team will overpay for his services. The question is should ATL be that team? I do not think they will do it.

RB is one position where you can find diamonds in the ruff more often than not.

WR

July 20th, 2009
11:13 am

You know you are getting old when you were born in atlanta, attended games in the old AFCS, you watched as the Falcons moved to the dome, you watch as AFCS was torn down and Turner put up and now the Dome is out of date, I still have tickets to the first game ever played in the dome, it feels like it was just yesterday but that was nearly twenty years ago.

WR

July 20th, 2009
11:15 am

No, do not overpay for Norwood, I don’t think TD would, he comes from the NE school of thought. They don’t overpay for anyone, if you become a disruption because of it you can leave.

SeminoleWarrior

July 20th, 2009
11:16 am

Points well stated on the defensive line WR. Games are won in the trenches. I’m VERY anxious to see what James can bring to the field. James and Biermann are two players that I truly want to see in the preseason. I think their upside is immense. Adkins will be a special teamer.

SeminoleWarrior

July 20th, 2009
11:21 am

WR. I was at that game, Atlanta beat Philadelphia in exhibition weekend to open the Georgia Dome. And man, the old AFCS gave us some great moments as well. I even enjoyed Olympic baseball in there with my son (then 8 years old) during the Olympics. Memories.

As far as a new stadium, the model I would love for AB and the team to look at is Raymond James in Tampa. I looooove that stadium!! That is the roadtrip I HAVE to make each year.

jason

July 20th, 2009
11:24 am

Seminole, Thanks for reminding me. I think we need another OL anyway. Clabo and Dakl played out of their minds last year. Can they keep it up?
Depth at LB is of extreme imoortance. It is the only position I see as a weakness due to lack of depth. I could see 2 if not 3 LBs drafted next year. Peteson is a stop gap. James needs to step up and push Peterson for some PT. Also Adkins needs to play ST this year and go through practice and learn from the other LBs. He is a developemental player who will be a find in about 2 years or so.

Sarah B

July 20th, 2009
11:27 am

Hey WR who you calling old!!! I also attended at AFCS a lot. But I’m not old!!! Just better. LOL

Sarah B

July 20th, 2009
11:33 am

SW I went to the Tampa game last year too. Wow that stadium is really nice. But very hot though on Sept 14th. Arrived Friday, visited M&D, spent Saturday at Fort Desots Beach in St. Pete, Game on Sunday, home on Monday. Very nice trip! Oh yeah and we stayed at a nice Comfort Inn right across from JRS and it had a pool with no rules. Very nice!

WR

July 20th, 2009
11:33 am

Seminole you have a good memory, yeah it was so exciting, I remember wondering about the color scheme though. Looked like a gigantic bathroom at first. We had box seats, there nice but kind of take you out of the interaction with the fans, seemed like we were sitting with a bunch of stiffs. I agree with you and Jason on James, I have heard so much about this guy and now I want to see him play, if he is half as good as some people say, the LB position will go from a weakness to a strength. By the way, I know he won’t be available when the birds pick, but what do you think of Dwyer, I know what FSU thinks.

Hugh Jaynus

July 20th, 2009
11:44 am

I am thinking of making my first TC this year. Where is the best place to hang out (where do all the cool kids go), get autograpghs, etc.? I like the folks that post here, and seem slike a good group to be around for this.

WR

July 20th, 2009
11:49 am

Sarah, a pool with no rules, bad girl bad girl. I wasn’t saying old as being a bad thing, more of like where did the time go. It just seems weird to me that the Dome is already considered outdated.

The best stadium I have been to outside of Atlanta was the old Cowboys Stadium, you could literally feel the history in the air. It was a great experience until I went to Waco because I was the best man in a friends wedding, Waco looks like a city wide project. The things a man will do for a woman, moving from Atlanta to Waco, I’m still trying to figure out what she did to him.

jason

July 20th, 2009
11:57 am

I miss ‘ol AFCS. I also miss the red helmets. They kind of went away the same time AFCS did. Billy “Whiteshoes” Johnson and that miracle “Hail Mary” catch against the 49ers…. Brings back some meomeries.

ctfalconsfan

July 20th, 2009
12:05 pm

Pre-season predictions are GARBAGE!
- I can assure you that in 98′, 02′. 04′ and last year ATL wasn’t suppose to do anything. But all of these seasons were play-off years for us.

- I can also assure you that in 99′, 03′, 05′ that we were predicted to compete for th Division and make the play-offs but we had losing seasons those years so go figure..

Let’s play the games and see what happens.

GO FALCONS!!

CBrass

July 20th, 2009
1:03 pm

LOL WR nice save!!! I thought you had dug yourself a deep hole with Sarah B…there.

On the subject of the Dome…I love it. Not having to worry about the weather outside is a major plus. It’s only been around since what…90′ or 91 so how is that considered old?

SeminoleWarrior

July 20th, 2009
1:22 pm

WR, I’m with you. That is why I love my seats in 209. There, we are nothing but “real” fans, having a blast and loving the game.

Sarah, I’ve stayed at the motel and you are right…great location. Could I have marveled: let me stop. This is a FAMILY site…LOL. I hated the move of the game from December to September but this year, it is back where in belongs. We close out the season there on Jan. 3. See ya by the pool!!

CBrass, it is considered “old” due to the fact that the league loves to use the newer stadiums as draws for the Big Event. The Georgia Dome is a great venue for its nearly 20 years of age. AB, working with the state, has done a great job keeping it up. If you recall, the City of Atlanta was a horrid manager of the old AFCS. I can recall bathrooms being off limits due to horrible maintenance conditions. The grass was more dirt at times than grass; but hey, I still loved the old girl!!

Nookah

July 20th, 2009
2:05 pm

Great stuff guys. Just checking in. I love the debate on JN and the other positions of need. I’ll put in my 2c on JN. I don’t think he will ever be a featured back for any team but he can be a very potent weapon on any team. I can just imagine that a number of OC’s are looking at him and salivating. There are so many things that you can incorporate in your offense for him because he can do a number of things not the least of which is break it to the house. He is a very explosive player and that is his asset. Therein lies the reason why a number of teams could overpay because every time he touches the ball he has the potential to score 6.

WR, excellent points on the DL. The concern is really LB. However, in TD we trust and I think he will ensure we will get ourselves better stocked at that position.

You know what concerns me some? The average tenure of an NFL GM is 4 years. This is year 2 of TD’s reign. Does this mean that after this season, if we are playing the averages, he will be here for only 2 more seasons? Well as long as he delivers us a “Lombardi” or 2, I’m fine. AB better start forward-planning and extend him before it’s too late. After all he has to continue the process.

SW, I’ll give the naysayers a “Nesta” for you. Earlier I gave “Stiff Necked Fools” but I’ll dedicate this one to them: Crazy Baldheads

Them crazy, them crazy We gonna chase those crazy
Baldheads out of town Chase those crazy baldheads Out of town

I and I build a cabin, I and I plant the corn
Didn’t my people before me, slave for this country, now you look me with a scorn
Then you eat up all my corn, we gonna chase those crazy baldheads
Chase them crazy, chase those crazy baldheads out of town

Just a taste!!!

Go Falcons!!!

Nuff respect everytime!!!

WR

July 20th, 2009
2:26 pm

Nookah, agree on Norwood and his multiple uses, he kind of reminds me of Eric Metcalf, people forget that Metcalf was a tailback originally in the league with the Browns, he came to Atlanta and the Falcons put him in the slot for the run and shoot offense. Norwood has those same game changing abilities give or take Metcalf was quicker, but Norwood is faster. Norwood can be used in the back field or split out wide and in the slot. Now imagine this, lining Norwood out in the slot on one side and Douglas in the slot on the other side, where do you position your safeties, what are the Falcons about to run at you, Turner can be in the back field as a single back, and you still have White and Jenkins out wide with Gonzo in as a TE, talk about spacing out a defense, and picking your poison.

Nookah

July 20th, 2009
2:35 pm

Stop it WR!!!!! You’re making me drool!!!!

The Falcons may then be regarded as terrorists with too many WMD (weapons of mass destruction).

Can you imagine what Mularky is cooking up in his lab now getting ready for August 1?

Booyaka!!!!!

Go Falcons!!

Nuff respect everytime!!!!!

SeminoleWarrior

July 20th, 2009
2:37 pm

Ahhhhh the run and shoot. What a scheme. WR, you are really bringing back the memories today. I’ve won a few FFL titles with the R & S. It is a very good fantasy offense to run.

Nookah, don’t sacre a brother like that! Hell, I’m already spoiled with TD as our leader in the front office. I will contribute to a fund NOW to help AB keep him in ATL. Ohhhhh, I don’t even want to go down that road. Talk about a setback! Brother, I need another “Nesta” after that.

WR

July 20th, 2009
2:37 pm

CBrass, you are determined to get me in trouble with Sarah, ain’t nobody scared of Sarah, besides I found out a long time ago we agree on most things, I was never one to treat her like a female in the cage, I treated her like a fan and that to me is equality. She liked being the first lady of the cage, but she wanted to be a student of the game and fan more, I guess you could say she’s one of the fellas but thats discriminating, she’s one of the members of the cage, she brings a different view point and we all respect her for it.

SeminoleWarrior

July 20th, 2009
2:43 pm

CBreeze, trust me…next to the Barber boys, WR is Lady Sarah’s prime time beau. They love this!!

jason

July 20th, 2009
2:48 pm

The word for the Falcons is PROCESS. I am going to add a new one, because it pertains to both the offense and the defense. The second word for the Falcons is VERSATILITY.

WR

July 20th, 2009
2:49 pm

Seminole, I believe Houston ran it best. There were alot of naysayers toward the offense, but the offense put up points and never was easily shut down, not even with our birds. I think the problem was that it kept the defense on the field because of the turnover potential and the quick scoring capabilities. But I agree, you could pile up the numbers if you had a good player from the run and shoot. Thats kind of why I don’t understand the craziness with the wildcat, it basically has the characteristics of the old option/wishbone ran by Barry Switzer back in his Oklahoma days, with Holiday as the QB. It presents a number of reads and options for a defense to consider, the same as the run and shoot, people call the Rams of the late 90’s early 2000, the greatest show on turf, but all they really ran was the run and shoot, but they had the perfect RB for it, Marshall Faulk. Given all the weapons the Falcons possess, I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see some principles of the run and shoot utilized this year, you never know with mad mike, its an evolving league, but as my Pops use to say, theres nothing new under the sun.

CBrass

July 20th, 2009
2:50 pm

WR,

Just imagine if the Birds come with that set. The defense wouldn’t know what to do!!! There would be so many players trying to call time out….LOL…man the possibilities that we’re going to have on O is just insane!!!

SeminoleWarrior

July 20th, 2009
2:51 pm

I think we got good mileage out of the Norwood discussion. So let me start another before I head to the forecast office for the night beat.

Here is my afternoon rap session topic if I may: It will be especially nice to see the feedback from my UGA friends on this on. So with that, I’ll throw this “bone” out there.

2010: An aggressive WLB, 26 years old, is a free agent. Should we make the move? The player: THOMAS DAVIS.

Opinions??

Sarah B

July 20th, 2009
2:52 pm

Thanks guys & gal – you made me smile on a Monday!

SeminoleWarrior

July 20th, 2009
2:53 pm

WR…The Houston Gamblers of the old USFL. Yes, I’m dating myself. But Mouse Davis ran that scheme. The Oilers did not do a bad job either.

SeminoleWarrior

July 20th, 2009
2:55 pm

Yeah…..Versatility and Process. Love it!!

SeminoleWarrior

July 20th, 2009
2:57 pm

CBreeze, getting excited on the R & S. Look out. Yeah, she has arrived. I felt that passion and I’m 100 miles plus away!!

CBrass

July 20th, 2009
2:57 pm

WR,

I’m trying but it’s not working. You two agree on just about everything and it’s just sucking all of the fun out of it..ROFL All in good fun!!!

confederated sports teams in Atlanta

July 20th, 2009
3:07 pm

Ryan has leadership. This pure bull who has he lead. Turner was the leader but the media want this guy to be golden when he is not . just watch this year. Ryan has better players around him but let’s make it clear he is not the leader ! They let him have a pass last year yes a free pass. But when they put pressure on him he drop like a rock. He is a pure want TO be QB! He was very lucky last year and so was the falcon!! Buc’s rule- Atlanta is a pure flop no more no less!! But the media loves your QB when he is not all that!!

CBrass

July 20th, 2009
3:16 pm

SeminoleWarrior,

I’ve never really seen the run & shoot run before but just thinking about it gets me excited. I went to the Sugar Bowl to witness what I thought was going to a high powered offense from Hawaii but we all know the outcome of that game. The game was over after our second touchdown.

Unca' Bob

July 20th, 2009
3:18 pm

Seminole Warrior,

Man, you know where that Thomas Davis stuff is going. You didn’t just throw out a bone, you threw out the fatted calf. Sarah B. and CBrass, close yor eyes, it is not going to be pretty.

WR

July 20th, 2009
3:25 pm

CBrass, I see potential trouble maker brewing in you(j/k). I didn’t say just about everything, I did say we agree on most things. Seminole likes to stir the pot and you took the bait. But you fail to realize that I feel the same way about Seminole. Its not about agreeing on everything its about having a mutual respect and understanding regarding your fellow mate. I speak my mind regardless of who agrees or disagrees but I have found that more often then not Sarah, Seminole, D3, JJ, Nookah and Big Ray can respect that, even if they disagree. A couple of weeks ago someone in the cage got offended by a topic or conversation piece, and then as it is now, I see the cage as being a place of family and friends. Sometimes in the midst of chatting you see a member that needs a pick me up, thats what we do, in prayer, laughter, or overall advice. Thats what makes it so fun. I talk crap about the fantasy league knowing that I could come in last place, but its funny, it makes people relax, and realize that the hell of today is over, yeah it might be there tomorrow but I can end the day in laughter, I can end the day knowing that people who have never put an eye on me pray for me and my family, or offer the best advice that they can. Its all about the Falcons in the cage, but I have come to realize that alot of the people in the cage believe in the Falcons, and their going to do their best to make sure your around to celebrate when we all are on Peachtree.

CBrass

July 20th, 2009
3:38 pm

WR,

Me…a trouble maker…why no…LOL Just giving you a hard time buddy. I completely understand what you’re saying. I do not know any of your personally but I do pray from everyone here each night before I go to bed. And I’ve come to think that I’ve found some very good friends that I can talk to if need be.

WR

July 20th, 2009
3:40 pm

As far as Thomas Davis goes, I don’t care if he came from Tennessee, if he improves the birds Im all for it. Pros is the Pros, and college is college, we joke around back in forth about our favorite college team but we all share one common Team, The Atlanta Falcons. Davis was preforming at a pro bowl level, haven’t heard much about him lately, but if he’s still preforming at that level and the Falcons can get him at a reasonable price, then bring him in, if not, we always have the draft and once again if it hasn’t been said enough, in TD I trust, until proven otherwise. H@ll if we didn’t have the safeties in place that we do, you better believe that I wouldn’t mind the birds taken a close look at bringing in Eric Berry.

WR

July 20th, 2009
3:47 pm

Unca’Bob, I need a break from the trash talk because I need some help. I can grill just about anything but I haven’t firgured out a pre-grill recipe for burgers, you seem to have the recipes down pat so any advice would be greatly appreciated. Oh yeah, looking for something that adds that savory flavor, not just your plain grilled flavor.

Unca' Bob

July 20th, 2009
3:47 pm

WR,

He ended last year with Carolina with 113 tackles, 3.5 sacks, and 2 forced fumbles.

jason

July 20th, 2009
3:49 pm

I will throw this out on Thomas Davis. As much as I like him, well love him because he was a Damn Good DAWG…. But I don’t see TD chasing after signing Petersen this year. We are going younger and faster. Any LBs coming to ATL will be drafted.Thomas Davis is gonna cost a pretty penny.

jason

July 20th, 2009
3:53 pm

WR, I read something earlier about you talking about chasing Dwyer in next year’s draft. I like that idea if he falls to the third round. Shoot, I would have liked to have that RB that left Tech last year, Tyson… I forgot his name. I am sure you know it. He was drafted by Dallas.

As far as Burgers go, I will post a recipe later this evening when I get home. You can grill them or throw them on the stove… They are delicious both ways.

Unca' Bob

July 20th, 2009
3:55 pm

WR,

I am very sorry, I do not have a recipe for pre grilling Hamburgers. But, if you would visit here and type in Hamburgers you will no doubt be swamped.

http://www.foodnetwork.com/

I know D3 is a huge Bobby Flay fan so you should check him out, too.

jason

July 20th, 2009
3:55 pm

I will tell you what I would do, but I think I would get boos in here. I would trade JAnderson straight up for Cahrles Johnson. The money wouldn’t work though, with JAnderson being a #1 draft pick.

jason

July 20th, 2009
3:57 pm

Unca’ Bob, That is the second best site on the web besides our Cage. That’s where go daily looking for recipes. Speaking of D3, when is he going to drop some of Flay’s recipes on the Cage.

WR

July 20th, 2009
4:11 pm

Jason, no boos, but I do believe Jamaal has more upside. We want to throw him to the wolves to soon, Patrick Kerney took three years, why, because he was use to playing Lacrosse, football was a second sport, what happened. Nothing against Kerney but Jamaal has more talent, even when Kerney was taking the three years, he wasn’t as good against the run as Jamaal is now, have faith my brother, Jamaal will break through, besides, you are the one who said have faith in BVG, so why not give Jamaal a chance. Remember the Freak, Javon Kearse, he burned out rather quickly, now look at Jamaal, when is the last time you saw a man of his size, strength, and speed combination, and he’s new to the game, a beast is about to break through, and I don’t believe you want to make that call to trade him.

WR

July 20th, 2009
4:17 pm

Unca’Bob, can’t depend on anyone from Tennessee for nothing, just kidding. Thanks anyway, you are still holding out on that Bar b q sauce you promised a while back, what is a fellow cager to think.

It has been a great day once again in the cage, yard work and the grill beckons, so I will catch everyone later

jason

July 20th, 2009
4:39 pm

WR, no problems there. I like JAnderson, and think he is ready to break loose (as soon as this year). I also like Johnson (yes he is a DAWG). They both seem to have a high upside. I equate JAnderson to the kid (DT) we passed on to take JAnderson, Okoye (HOU). Both extremely young, but both extremely talented.

Seminole Warrior

July 20th, 2009
4:45 pm

Live from the forecast office!! Luv ya CBreeze, I told you that my ACC brother is a big kitten at heart. See how he breaks it down when you soften him up. LOL.

Jason, Petersen is a band-aid solution for a year or two. Davis is in his prime and his signing could secure the WLB position with Pro Bowl talent for the next five years.

As far as Anderson versus Johnson, I think I will stay with Anderson. Say what may about the dude and his learning curve, he still trys hard and I’m hopeful that the Sugar Bear will bring him along.

D3

July 20th, 2009
4:45 pm

Blog monster is alive and well my friends, after taking a long hiatus….

D3

July 20th, 2009
4:47 pm

Nookah – What’s up my friend? Love the Baldheads lyrics and comparison. Hate will always envelope our country and world, but we’ve done a masterful job of eliminating from the ‘Cage. As far as TD goes, don’t think for a second that Blank won’t throw the moon and stars at TD to stay as long as he wants. What’s he’s done in two off-season is nothing but amazing.

WR(2) – Nice spacing analysis there. I sure will try to enjoy every second I can of Norwood this year, because he’s as good as gone. Hate that’s the way its gonna be, but I can’t imagine him staying unless he decides to take less money to stay in the South. Doubt it.

jason – PROCESS and VERSATILITY. Love it. Only one more to add this year or in a couple, CHAMPIONSHIP! To sign up for the Fantasy Football League, go to the email I sent you, and follow the link. From there it should be just follow directions. I’ll resend the email to you.

Seminole – Man, you just had to ask that question didn’t you? Well, in theory that the Panthers would let him get away, then I would say yes, but he will command top dollar and that doesn’t appear to be TD’s M.O. to this point. Peterson should give us at least one more year after this and I think TD would much rather draft an OLB, than pay top dollar for one. We already have money that will take up to lock Dahl and Clabo to long term deals. It’s not unthinkable, though, considering MV’s salary comes off the books and in all likelihood Norwoods as well. Personally, I don’t see the Panthers letting him get away.

Even though I teach math, it looks like a seventh grade language arts class might be in order.

WR(3) – Eric Berry will be long, long, long gone by the time we pick (here’s hoping we well to the back of the draft), but I see him going top 5 easily. Guys a stud and just had to go to the House CEO’s alma mater to play.

jason(2) – Agree with you on Thomas Davis. The guy will command top dollar, as he should, but going after high price free agents is not TD’s M.O. Turner was the exception, because it was a high need to transform the bruised and battered team. Tashard Choice is the man you’re thinking of I believe.

Bobby Flay Dallas Burger Recipe coming next……….

D3

July 20th, 2009
4:48 pm

5 Attempts and No Post for Me…………..

Good lord is the blog monster really back on my @—!

Sarah B

July 20th, 2009
4:49 pm

WR, the secret to tasty burgers is simple. Before they are patted out Leah & Perrins (brand specific) some pepper and Adobo. They are great.

jason

July 20th, 2009
4:56 pm

Seminole Warrior, The thing with Davis is the cost. I like you would love for him to take a homestate discount, but that ain’t likely. I feel JAnderson will break out this year. I was just looking for a way to add another DAWG. Who are we looking at as far as prospects next year at LB (weakside)?

Seminole Warrior

July 20th, 2009
4:58 pm

D3, forgive my spelling and/or verb usage. That is what happens when you are writing a regional forecast discussion and blogging Falcons issues at the same time. I promise to get an “A” next time. LOL.

Davis will cost a nice penny for sure but perhaps AB can use that smooth charm to get him to take the hometown discount. Jsut a thought.

Seminole Warrior

July 20th, 2009
4:58 pm

Jason, I told you that 84 bound would unite us. Great minds think alike.

Seminole Warrior

July 20th, 2009
4:59 pm

Darn it, I misspelled ‘just”. D3, can I settle for a “B”?

D3

July 20th, 2009
5:01 pm

Seminole – you know I wasn’t talking about you brother! I was discussing one of the Hate-Fisher’s attempt at scorched earth policy. Bro, I would never pull that on you or any of my ‘Cage brethren.

D3

July 20th, 2009
5:03 pm

D3

July 20th, 2009
5:05 pm

Guys the Blog-Monster has eaten 7 of my posts. What an @—ole!

jason

July 20th, 2009
5:08 pm

D3, you have been away too long, The “Monster” has to get caught up.

Thanks for Tashard Choice, you know how it is at work. He gave my DAWGS hell for a couple of years. I’ll take a Jacket or 2 on ATL’s roster. That’s about all they provide at most anyway (WR). Had to, couldn’t resist. We need to find a replacement for Brooking (GT), maybe Walker will be that Jacket.

Seminole Warrior

July 20th, 2009
5:12 pm

D3, just pulling your leg my brother. Teaching is like meteorology. We pour our hearts into what we do and most of it goes unappreciated. We salute you and your fellow educators in these difficult times.

Seminole Warrior

July 20th, 2009
5:14 pm

Walker, Lewis, Jerry, and Babs provide us with a solid DT rotation for years to come. No issues noted there.

jason

July 20th, 2009
5:19 pm

Seminole Warrior, That last post brings a question to mind. How many DTs will we carry? 4 or 5? I am on the fence because I think JAnderson can play DE/DT. And as you mentioned Walker, Lewis, Jerry, and Babs; they are our present and future. DO we really need to carry a Jordan Jefferson, or Morehead also?

Nookah

July 20th, 2009
5:32 pm

Guys, Anderson is not a bad player. In fact he is a productive player but the real issue with JA98 is that he was drafted 8th in the first round and that comes with a whole lot of expectations. However, I am with you WR, I think he will have a much better year. With the formidable push we should be able to generate inside, it will force the QB out of the pocket and allow our outside rush to do their thing. In fact if the QB’s choose to stay inside then they will be hurried more from the inside push. This could allow #98 to get his hands on more QB’s and even have more tackles this year (27 last year).

Don’t forget this is Jamaal’s 3rd year and will be his 2nd stable year. That ain’t no way for someone who is really just adjusting to the rudiments of the game. His football history should be examined closely and if you are objective you will see that his better days are ahead of him. The guy is only 23 years old and has a lot more to offer.

Apart from that we all know what a winning environment can do to players. It positively affects their attitude and work ethic and brings out the best in them. With the coaching staff we now have, I think he will be far more effective this year.

Go Falcons!!!!

Nuff respect everytime!!!!

Seminole Warrior

July 20th, 2009
5:33 pm

Jason, I think that all DTs except the big four (Babs, Jerry, Lewis, and Walker) will be released. Anderson flexibility will allow us to keep a “DT” without carrying one extra on the roster.

Seminole Warrior

July 20th, 2009
5:34 pm

Nookah, as far as Anderson goes, in the Sugar Bear I will trust. Davis and Biermann will be ready in case.

Seminole Warrior

July 20th, 2009
5:36 pm

Can a brother get a burger dropped by the forecast office? LOL.

Seminole Warrior

July 20th, 2009
5:44 pm

Jason, I did not forget your WLB question my brother. The man that I am locking in on as my focal point at the position is Mizzou’s Sean Weatherspoon. 6′ 2.5″, 240 lbs. A very gifted OLB. Mizzou ran some unique schemes last season but they are transitioning to a Tampa 2 scheme (yes, there I go again), so it will be interesting to see his production as a senior. Last season, 149 total tackles, five sacks, and three INTs.

jason

July 20th, 2009
5:47 pm

Seminole Warrior, Saw him in the Alamo Bowl last year. Tampa 2, the WLB usually plays in space anyway, covering RB/FB out of the backfield. I am sure that he can run. That seems to be the mo… Run fast with good striking ability. I was praying TD was going to draft Ellerbe (UGA)this year, but Ellerbe has the injury issues.

jason

July 20th, 2009
5:51 pm

Seminole Warrior, Also UGA has some LBs that can fly, but they are under the radar. Could be looking at some mid to late round picks to add depth. I see TD drafting at least 2 LBs, and wouldn’t be surprised to see him draft possibly 3.

I am curious to see what both James and Adkins brings in the preseason. Give them another and a full year in the system and our depth problems at LB might be solved.

jason

July 20th, 2009
5:53 pm

I am going to go ahead and say this. I want to be a GM for a day so I can draft and trade and sign FAs all from UGA; like I do on my PS2. LOL!!! :) If I don’t have a UGA player at a position, I look at WR’s Jackets and see if there is a fit. I am all GEORGIA, all the time !!! :)

stendec

July 20th, 2009
6:04 pm

Should they show Roddy “Butterfingers” White the money? Hell no. They should show him the door! Amen congregation. Sorry I am a bit behind. See Falcons at 12-4 this season!

jason

July 20th, 2009
6:08 pm

We are about to hit page 6. Guys is there a set date for the FF draft, yet?

MattyICE

July 20th, 2009
6:08 pm

Seminole Warrior

July 20th, 2009
6:39 pm

Whew…forecast discussion done. I have a break for a while. No love on the burger so I will have to make due with the Healthy Choice I brought with me. LOL.

I would love to work with TD for a day as an assistant or a scout for a day. Man, can you imagine sitting down with the brother and discussing personnel? I would love it!!

Wonder if DO-Led has connections that can get the ‘Birds to consider the idea as a contest? Imagine the response from the CAGE alone!!

CBrass

July 20th, 2009
7:03 pm

Seminole Warrior,

That would be a great thing. Getting the chance to sit and talk football with T.D would be awesome(even thought I wouldn’t know what I was talking about…LOL). Can you imagine the response if a contest like that was set up?!?!

jason

July 20th, 2009
7:11 pm

My head would be spinning from all the info he would drop on me. Brain overload.

jason

July 20th, 2009
7:15 pm

D3, resend me that invite to FF. Send it here: ugawatson@satx.rr.com

I had the e-mail at work but it will do no good there. ESPN is FORBIDDEN per USAF. You can’t even go to a ESPN site.

jason

July 20th, 2009
7:17 pm

D3, this is what I recieved from ESPN once I logged on?

We’re Sorry

We have detected a problem with this invitation. Please request a new invitation from your League Manager.

CBrass

July 20th, 2009
7:27 pm

jason,

It would just be interesting just to see how him mind works. How he goes about determining if a player is a good fit for the system and the organization as a whole. I love what he said during the draft that he wasn’t going to draft a player just because the media think he should…I knew then that we had something extremely special in T.D

What so bad about ESPN? That’s one site that should be allow everywhere!!!

jason

July 20th, 2009
7:34 pm

CBrass, I know. I feel like I would be even more lost after I set and talked with him. He is that intelligent.

Oh, and ESPN apparently impedes the work progress. SSSSH, they don’t know about my blog, yet.

CBrass

July 20th, 2009
7:36 pm

jason,

I thought that was Facebook….LOL

jason

July 20th, 2009
7:41 pm

CBrass, That too. There are not that many sites allowed. Damn, military. They probably have “Big Brother” zoomed in on me now. :)
They actually think the AJC is a news source. I can get CNNSI. I guess because of the CNN. :)

CBrass

July 20th, 2009
7:53 pm

jason,

I’m still trying to get past the fact that ESPN is not allowed…I mean what is wrong with it but then again this is the military we’re talking about. What branch are you in? If you don’t mind me asking.

jason

July 20th, 2009
7:55 pm

CBrass, I don’t know. There are certain sites that you can’t go to. COMM in the USAF will not allow you to; like porn sites (No Duh). Then you have a site like ESPN, and I have no idea why. I go to FOX Sports, The Sporting News, etc. I honestly don’t have a clue.

BT

July 20th, 2009
7:59 pm

Good evening, fellow Cagers.
Sarah B. I use almost the same recipe on my burgers but with a slight variance with the grill verses the griddle.
The griddle (or pan) calls for a pat of butter for each patty.
Call me a weirdo, but I love grilling, BBQ and smoking meats.
Got some good recipes and always interested in learning more.
It`s a southern thang, I suppose?

Please hold the phone with all the JA98 praise and certainty he`s going to breakout.
I know he`s only 23 but so far he has shown me nothing at pass rush or stopping the run.
I am not trying to be a pessimist but facts are facts.
Here are some last seasons stats to back up my premise that the guy can`t play.

JA, 27 tackles, 24 solo and 3 assist with 2 sacks..that is with him starting with the majority of reps.

C. Davis, 38 tackles, 29 solo, 9 assist, 4 sacks and a fumble recovery, all with him playing only part time in the rotation.

Then you have Bierman who played way much less than JA98 or Davis and as a rookie came in with 21 tackles, 18 solo, 3 assist a 2 sacks.
I like Bierman, that`s showing me something considering his status.

What`s even more disturbing IMO, the 2 guys that led the team in tackles (Brooking and Coleman) were lined up behind him on the weak side.
Teams largely ran directly at JA98 we were ripped with close to a 5 YPC average overall.
Y`all to realize that is almost a half a yard more per carry than the Falcons gained on the ground and they led the NFL in rushing!

I don`t know what y`all are seeing in this guy but to me, he is what I have seen and the stats back me up.
A bust until he proves otherwise.

Davis and Bierman, they would be my #2 and 3 DE`s, until JA has shown me something.
If he needs more OJT?
Put him on the practice squad.
We don`t have any more patience or time to fool around with less than what`s expected.

BT

jason

July 20th, 2009
8:01 pm

USAF, AirDorce. I am going ARMY in DEC.

jason

July 20th, 2009
8:02 pm

Air Force OOPS

CBrass

July 20th, 2009
8:19 pm

BT,

Great argument. He does has alot to prove this year and if he doesn’t put up the numbers people will start to label him as a bust. From my understanding many of you think that the light should come on in year 3. Now is his time to show that he belongs.

BT

July 20th, 2009
8:23 pm

Jason, her is an idea.
Get yourself down to a public library or find a laptop and go wifi at the Krystal or many other locations and go ahead and register, unencumbered by Gooberment regulations.

jason

July 20th, 2009
8:25 pm

CBrass, True year three is when the light should come on. Now with JAnderson, it may take year four, but we need to see some progress being made. Smitty is and has shown confidence in him.

jason

July 20th, 2009
8:26 pm

BT, Dude I have a computer at home. That’s not what the conversation was about.

CBrass

July 20th, 2009
8:29 pm

jason,

I can see that considering that he’s so young. The may give him that extra year but he should at least double his sack total from last season. Having a coach like Smitty will benefit him in the long run.

jason

July 20th, 2009
8:33 pm

CBrass, Oh Yeah JAnderson will have to show significant improvement this year, especially ing the Sacks dept.

BT

July 20th, 2009
8:36 pm

CBrass, plenty of football knowledgeable people have already labeled JA98 a bust.
I realize about the third year and his relative young age.
Honestly, even if he doubles his production in 09?
He is still only mediocre and he is still a bust considering his draft status.
Do you realize Adrain Peterson was taken only one selection before JA98 and we lost that pick on a coin flip?
That`s one heck of a fall off between the 7th and 8th pick in the 06 draft.

CBrass

July 20th, 2009
8:37 pm

BT/jason,

Seems like it’s a slow night here so I have a question for you guys. What’s the different between the three linebacker positions?

CBrass

July 20th, 2009
8:38 pm

Wow no I didn’t realize that AP we taken just before him.

BT

July 20th, 2009
8:40 pm

Jason, I was just trying to help.
Did you get registered?
It`s seems you were having some issues.
I happened to be fairly decent on puters.

jason

July 20th, 2009
8:42 pm

CBrass, The MLB is your QB of the defense. He is usually your leading tackler because he plays behind the DTs. Your SLB (Strong side) plays over the TE. more of a pass rusher. WLD (Weak side) is more lighter and faster. He plays in space alot. Better in coverage. I am sure Unca’Bob and Coach Ken will have you starting at LB by the time they are done with you.

jason

July 20th, 2009
8:44 pm

BT, Not yeat. D3 is going to resend the e-mail to my home address. I should be up and running once he sends it. I am basicly locked out until I get a reinvite to the league.

BT

July 20th, 2009
8:50 pm

SAM is a term for strong side LB, he will line up on the side the TE`s dominantly line up.
That would be his basic cover responsibility and he should be very present on run support on his side.
MLB for middle line backer covers center field in the short passing game and should be very strong in run support.
WIL is short for weakside LB and he covers RB`s out of the backfield, he has a little more freedom to roam or blitz and he needs to be present on running downs on his side.

CBrass

July 20th, 2009
8:51 pm

jason,

That cleared up a lot. Thanks!!! Not sure if this is a stupid question or not but where does an Outside/Inside linebacker fit in all of this? And if is a offense is running a two TE set which TE does the middle LB line up againist? Sorry for all of the questions.

Sarah B

July 20th, 2009
9:01 pm

So SW your a meteorologist??? You may think most people don’t appreciate you guys but I for one am a complete weather geek. We were playing trivia at a bar lot long ago the question came up ‘what are the verticle bar’s on a weather map called?’ I was the only one there, in the whole bar, that got isobars lol. Because I know that when the isobars are to close together that is what makes it windy. They just looked at me. I said don’t you watch the weather channel? And they just looked at me. I always thought I should have been a meterologist. But alas I’m not.

I give JA one more year to do something…

BT can’t really go wrong with that burger mix. Keeps them nice and moist. Don’t need anything fancy. 9.5 days until TC!! And I’m on board for Taco Mac after too.

Sarah B

July 20th, 2009
9:11 pm

Nothing wrong with questions CBreeze. The Falcons usually run a training camp for Women in Oct. in Oct. because it benefits Breast Cancer. I went the first year and already knew mot of the answers to the questions. It is $50 but you get player autographs at the beginning, then Q&A with coaches with 1/2 the group while the other half runs drills with former players and coaches. Then you switch. Then dinner and a glass of wine. I’ll go again if you want to. It was very cool.

CBrass

July 20th, 2009
9:15 pm

When is it? do You know what day it is? I’ll be extremely busy that month going to see my Dawgs play!!!

jason

July 20th, 2009
9:18 pm

CBras, BT just explained it. Actually a little better that i did.

BT

July 20th, 2009
8:50 pm
Reread that post above.

jason

July 20th, 2009
9:19 pm

CBras, I knew there was something about you that I liked…. Another DAWG in the Cage.

BT

July 20th, 2009
9:19 pm

Sarah B. Got a grilled chicken marinade ya can`t go wrong with also.
It`s simple, mix 3 equal parts of 3 sauces.
Soy, teryiaki and worcestershire.
Then add liberal dashes of hot sause, to taste.
Soak the chicken parts in the mix for at least half and hour.
Then grill them.
Sometimes, the simple things are actually best.

CBrass

July 20th, 2009
9:24 pm

jason,

No doubt. I just hope the defense will actually tackle this season!!!

Seminole Warrior

July 20th, 2009
9:31 pm

Back with you my brothers and sisters! Yes, Sarah, been doing it now for almost 25 years and I love it.

CBrass, hope that you got all the info you desired on the LB positions. BT and Jason breaking it down with skill…love it.

BT

July 20th, 2009
9:32 pm

Jason, I think CBrass wanted to know what to do if it`s a Jumbo set, with 2 TE`s?
Then you either move the Strong safety up into a SILB position or (if time) and situation allows bring in an extra LB so that you are in an effective 4-4-3.

Seminole Warrior

July 20th, 2009
9:32 pm

Okay Sarah…here is your chance to help.

Give me your best picks for low temperatures tonight in the following locations: Savannah, Warner Robins, Valdosta, and Columbus. Whatever you give me I will put into my midnight outlook. Are you game?

CBrass

July 20th, 2009
9:34 pm

BT,

That’s what I was asking…thanks.

Seminole Warrior,

They helped me with all of the info that I needed.

jason

July 20th, 2009
9:34 pm

BT, I must have missed that question. If I have William Moore, I walk him up as an extra LB.

Seminole Warrior

July 20th, 2009
9:38 pm

Bt, I just got caught up on what I missed while I was working. You are offering one blistering take on Anderson. I’m hoping that one more with the Sugar Bear bring him out. Biermann has serious upside.

Personally, I want Davis to step up now and seize the moment. The team has shown faith so now, in true Seminole fashion, rise up and win the battle.

BT

July 20th, 2009
9:42 pm

My wifey just got home witha new Red and Black Bulldawg shirt for me.
GTG, she must be rewarded.
Not bad considering she is a Gator..

Later

BT

July 20th, 2009
9:43 pm

SW, I hope he proves me wrong.

jason

July 20th, 2009
9:44 pm

I had some serious ADD going on. I was chasing my 3 year old around the house, Blogging with you guys, eating supper, watching the Braves, and blogging with that crew also. Got hectic there for a minute.

Seminole, you do national weather? What’s my forecast for next week at Disney World. I will be there all week.

Seminole Warrior

July 20th, 2009
9:44 pm

Agree BT…but it appears that we have drafted accordingly just in case.

jason

July 20th, 2009
9:45 pm

BT, Traitor, what does she do to you when we lose to them Gators almost every year?

Seminole Warrior

July 20th, 2009
9:45 pm

Jason, I can hit it anywhere in the world brother. I’m the product of years with the DoD. If you are going to FL in July, I have only one thing to say for you…afternoon seabreeze thunderstorms!!

Seminole Warrior

July 20th, 2009
9:46 pm

Darn BT…I thought I had it bad. Mine is a Virginia Cavalier fan as well as a Carolina Kittens (aka panthers) fan.

Seminole Warrior

July 20th, 2009
9:48 pm

BT, tell your wife that our farewell gift to Coach Bowden will be a victory over the Gators and a smashing of their national title repeat hopes…

I’m going to get it now…LOL.

CBrass

July 20th, 2009
9:48 pm

I too fell in love with Beirman. He was a ball hawk…always in the back field or just around the ball in general!!

Well I’m calling it a night also. The Braves have an 8 run lead so I think we have this on in the bag. Check up with you guys and gals in the morning.

Have a good one. God Bless!

Seminole Warrior

July 20th, 2009
9:53 pm

Jason, by my preliminary count, the Birds should have up to 10 draft picks next year. We will have six standard in the seven rounds (no second rounder due to the TG deal) and up to four compensatory picks due to free agent moves. The comp picks come in round three – seven and can not be traded.

Seminole Warrior

July 20th, 2009
9:54 pm

If that is the case, we have some serious ability to continue to develop a lot of depth as well as find some diamonds in the ruff.

Seminole Warrior

July 20th, 2009
9:54 pm

Good night CBreeze…sweet dreams!

WR

July 20th, 2009
9:55 pm

BT, ever heard of James Harrison, I said it yesterday and I want to bring this back to thought, James Harrison was only the defensive player of the year, and should have probably been the Superbowl MVP. What year did he break out, not years one thru four, year five is when he started showing results, and year six he was as I said Defensive Player of the year. Does that mean Andersen will do the same thing, no, it does mean that certain players need more patience than other players. Going by your theory, Steve Young is a bust, Tom Brady is a bust, the 100 million dollar man Haynesworth is a bust,Justin Tuck is a bust, and the list could go on. Every player mentioned needed extra time, including Harrison, looking for instant results have been the primary reason the Falcons have not had back to back winning seasons, patience is a virtue in life as well as in football. Your a bust if you don’t preform well considering your draft status after two years, well Aikman and Manning have no place in the hall.

Sarah B

July 20th, 2009
9:59 pm

SW you betcha – Savannah 69 with an isolated chance or T-Storms, Valdosta 64 10% chance of rain, cooler 62 10% chance of rain, Columbus – ditto no chance of rain… Did I pass????

jason

July 20th, 2009
10:00 pm

Seminole Warrior, Typical weatherman…. :)
I read your post to my CEO, and she said you were spot on. She has been watching the weather in FL and will be for the rest of the week.

Seminole Warrior

July 20th, 2009
10:00 pm

Development is part of the process. Falcons fans are just not used to the excitement level that we are feeling right now. It’s been a tease for so long but when you can actually sense that this time it is real, it makes you a little more skeptical.

I waited a long time for the Braves to give me a title on which to brag. The Falcons and the Hawks will deliver in due time.

Seminole Warrior

July 20th, 2009
10:03 pm

Sarah, I am putting it into my midnight discussion as I speak. Will let you know tomorrow if it verifies. Good luck!!

Jason, the seabreeze is an easy one to forecast this time of year. It does get tricky at times though when the storms go locally severe and greater Orlando is known for that. Rest easy though…Disney World has one of the best emergency notification systems in the nation!! A model for the rest in my opinion.

WR

July 20th, 2009
10:05 pm

Seminole, put the drink down, just step away, FSU won’t even beat Tech this year in Tallahassee, how and the world do you figure they will beat the gators. I love Bowden too my brother, some dreams just don’t come true.

Seminole Warrior

July 20th, 2009
10:06 pm

WR…am I far off on my draft pick estimates given what you know about our F/A moves this past offseason? Opinions my brother? How did the grill turn out?

D3

July 20th, 2009
10:06 pm

Great Monday P.M. ‘Cagers! Our little football forum has turned into an all-out explosion of a blog. Falcons, Football, Grilling, Favorite Drinks/Brews, Weather, and Fantasy Football. What else do we need? Hope the blog dragon doesn’t eat my post AGAIN. Here we go……

jason – sent you another invite. Just follow the link and it should work. Email me or post it up in the ‘Cage if you have any issues.

BT – Ahhhh, nothing like a little JA talk to stir up some controversy. Guess what my first blog post on the new Bird-Cage Fan Blog is? I see both sides because both arguments are valid. Especially when you point out who was selected right before (Adrian Peterson) and right after (Patrick Willis) have been multiple Pro-Bowl invitees. On the other hand, his supporters do have a point with his youth and inexperience. That’s what makes this Camp and year for JA so great. Boom or Bust time.

CBrass – This is a rocking night, relatively, to others we had back in June when nothing was going on. We’re adding new peeps all the time, such as yourself, which is awesome.

BT(2) – Whew, now that is an interesting mixup right there. Teriyaki, Worchester, and Hot Sauce? I like the strange and definitely got to try that one.

Seminole – I like Anderson, but I really like your boy Chauncey. The guy just makes plays when he’s on the field. Doing all that with limited playing time. The facts don’t lie: Davis had double the sacks that JA did in half the playing time. I question whether Davis will get a TRUE shot to win the job, but the money doesn’t lie. Chauncey got paid close to starters money with his contract. Can’t wait.

BT(3) – Say it ain’t so brother! Man, I feel bad for you. I thought I had it bad being married to a Vol, but I can’t imagine being married to a d@— gator. But she did buy you a shirt, nice.

Dropping a serious Flay recipe coming up……….

jason

July 20th, 2009
10:07 pm

WR, As far as Harrison goes, I want to start a debate. Harrison and the majority of the players you named all had great players in front of them> The reason I say this JAnderson had noone in front of him. He started day one. It would have been great if he could have played behind someone as Bierrman is playing behind Abe. I think to much pressure, responsibility was placed on him from day one and may have stunted his growth. Looking at his background, how old he is, how much he has played the position…. He should have never been a starter. He was a developemental player with a huge upside. Heck he should have never been a first round pick. He being picked 8th overall was a product of the combine. He is a combine warrior.

WR

July 20th, 2009
10:08 pm

The kitten remark didn’t pass me by either.

jason

July 20th, 2009
10:11 pm

WR, this was posted for you earlier, but I think you missed it.

Thanks for Tashard Choice, you know how it is at work. He gave my DAWGS hell for a couple of years. I’ll take a Jacket or 2 on ATL’s roster. That’s about all they provide at most anyway (WR). Had to, couldn’t resist. We need to find a replacement for Brooking (GT), maybe Walker will be that Jacket.

Sarah B

July 20th, 2009
10:12 pm

Jason: see below:

Fri
Jul 24
Isolated T-Storms

90°
76°

30% percipitation
90°F

Sat
Jul 25
Scattered T-Storms

91°
76°

40% percipitation

91°F

Sun
Jul 26
Scattered T-Storms

90°
76°

40%
90°F

Mon
Jul 27
Scattered T-Storms

90°
76°

60% percipitation

I really hope you guys have a great trip. Sounds like you deserve it. Don’t worry it can rain in Florida a the drop of a hat but not for long. But being from GA you should know that.

I told you I wanted to be a meteorologist. My dad said no future in that at the time. I grew up on the Great Lakes, so the weather was always changing and fast too.

jason

July 20th, 2009
10:14 pm

You ought to be here in San Antonio. The weather here is really jacked up. At least in GA if it looks like it will rain, it will usually rain.

jason

July 20th, 2009
10:15 pm

D3, When is your blog coming up?

jason

July 20th, 2009
10:19 pm

SarahB thanks for the forecast….

Seminole Warrior

July 20th, 2009
10:20 pm

Hold on Sarah… All of a sudden you are putting a brother out of work? LOL.

D3, what’s up bro? I’m praying that this is Chauncey’s time.

WR, can you fault a brother for wanting his coach to leave on the highest of notes? I know that we will not contend for the national title this year; maybe the ACC if the gods smile on us. But nothing would be more fitting in his swan-song than to give Coach Bowden that one last victory over those dreaded Gators. I know it is a reach but life with Jimbo after Bowden; now, that is a pain.

Seminole Warrior

July 20th, 2009
10:21 pm

If I lose my job, I’m moving in with you till I find another..LOL.

WR

July 20th, 2009
10:23 pm

Jason, I agree but disagree, what are teams expecting from a first round draft pick. Someone to step in give you 10 sacks in the first year, someone that can rush for 1500 yards their rookie year, someone that can pass for 4000 yards tere first year. Teams are looking for someone to step in right away, Jamaal did that, teams are looking for players that will become focal points of the team, Jamaal has not done that, but what is the time frame. One great example is Mario Williams from Houston, he was labeled a bust after only one year, now he’s a beast, Tom Brady and my all time favorite Joe Montana were labeled nobody’s and what did they become. A first round selection changes expectations, it doesn’t change who you are or how you develop. Some say Matt Ryan and Flacco changed the expectations for first round QBs but that shouldn’t be so, those are two guys that excelled early in there careers, it doesn’t change the fact that QBs take longer to adjust to the pro game. Another good example but from basketball, Kobe Bryant was taken with the 18th pick of the draft in his year, now who’s better than Bryant. At the same time, how many of those players excelled long before Bryant figured out what was going on. As fans we want instant results, especially when you suport a success starved franchise like the Falcons, but as I said earlier patience is a virtue, we now have a GM who is patience with his selections, and a coaching staff who can patiently await player development.

Seminole Warrior

July 20th, 2009
10:24 pm

Sarah, I was told the same by my parents and teachers back in the 70’s when I first decided I wanted to do it. Istrayed for a while but in the early ’80s, I decided to trust my gut and I’m glad I did. I love it!!

D3, now there is the man we should have taken. Patrick Willis!! That is one pick that Rich McKay definately blew it on!!

WR

July 20th, 2009
10:26 pm

Seminole, just noticed your post, notice that I didn’t drop off a burger, kind of tells you how it went, I have no problem with sharing the good things in life, but I couldn’t do you like that. Actually it wasn’t all that bad, I would say different, and leave it at that.

Seminole Warrior

July 20th, 2009
10:27 pm

I’ll add WR… it is patience that has sustained the teams that are now the perennial contenders each year. They find a system and they stay with that system. The Patriot Way is now alive and well on Peachtree and in Flowery Branch. What we have to do is brace ourselves for what we have not been accustomed to and what I feel we honestly may even fear….sustained progress and measureable success.

D3

July 20th, 2009
10:29 pm

Bobby Flay’s Cheyenne Burger
Courtesy of Bobby Flay and Foodnetwork.com

Directions
80 Lean Ground Beef. Well rounded patties. Make a small indention with your thumb into the patty. This helps to distribute the juices when the burger is flipped. Only flip the burger one time and never press the juices out of the burger. Brush a little canola oil, salt, & pepper on patties and on buns.

Bacon
This serious burger comes with two strips of bacon. Bobby likes them crisp.

Onion Rings
To make shoestring rings, heat 1 quart peanut oil to 360 degrees in a deep, heavy pot. Dredge thin Vidalia onion rings in flour seasoned with salt, pepper and cayenne; dip in buttermilk seasoned with salt and pepper, then dredge in more flour. Fry until golden brown, turning once or twice, about 4 minutes. Drain on paper towels; season with salt.

Cheddar
This extra-smoky burger calls for two thick slices of smoked sharp cheddar cheese.

(You can use your own favorite BBQ Sauce for a shortcut, Sweet Baby Ray’s Honey BBQ is one of my, D3, favs)

Bobby’s BBQ Sauce
Ingredients
2 tablespoons canola oil
1 Spanish onion, chopped
3 cloves garlic, chopped
1 cup ketchup
2 tablespoons ancho chile powder
1 tablespoon paprika
1 heaping tablespoon dijon mustard
1 tablespoon red wine vinegar
1 tablespoon Worcestershire sauce
1 chipotle chile in adobo, chopped
2 tablespoons dark brown sugar
1 tablespoon honey
1 tablespoon molasses
Kosher salt and freshly ground pepper
Heat the oil over medium-high heat in a heavy-bottomed saucepan. Add the onion; cook until soft, 3 to 4 minutes. Add the garlic and cook for 1 minute. Add the ketchup and 1/3 cup water, bring to a boil and simmer for 5 minutes. Add the remaining ingredients (except salt and pepper); simmer for 10 minutes, or until thickened, stirring occasionally.

Transfer the mixture to a food processor; puree until smooth. Season with salt and pepper. Pour into a bowl; cool to room temperature. Spoon on burgers

Heaven on a bun!

Sarah B

July 20th, 2009
10:30 pm

I learned really young in MI that a drop in the barometric pressure combined with a snow prediction meant I might not have to go to school the next day, hence my love of weather.

jason

July 20th, 2009
10:30 pm

WR, the thing about JAnderson is that he was not a first rounder given his experience playing football, and experience playing DE. He was no more than a 3-4 rounder because of his upside and potential.Answer me this, and anyone in the CAGE can join. IF td was running that draft,would he have selected JAnderson with the eighth overall pick. Now consider that the MV situation never happened, and we had no QB need. Would TD have picked JAnderson there.

I agree with you on what to expect a first roung pick to produce, especially a top 10 pick. JAnderson should have never been a first round pick.

Seminole Warrior

July 20th, 2009
10:31 pm

LOL..been there, done that on the grill my brother. The First Lady was bored at home so she came by and brought me and the team Korean.

WR

July 20th, 2009
10:32 pm

Seminole, I completely understand, trust me when I say I would rather Bowden have the record then Paterno. I don’t know what it is but I have always hated Penn State. Usually you have a reason but for Penn State, I just want to see them lose, unless their playing Ohio State, then its okay.

jason

July 20th, 2009
10:34 pm

WR, It’s those boring @$$ unis… Same as with Nebraska.That coupled with some slow boring football.

WR

July 20th, 2009
10:35 pm

Sarah, I missed something, I thought up north ya’ll had to go to school no matter what, thats why I always loved the south, if you woke up looked out the window and something white covered the ground, you could go right back to sleep because there was going to be no school.

WR

July 20th, 2009
10:41 pm

Seminole, thanks for the understanding on the grill, who would have ever thought you could have such a hard time with burgers, ribs I’m good, chicken I’m good, hot dogs I’m good, and a friend from up north introduced me to Brats and I’m still good, but burgers I can’t get it right to save my life.

Jason, agree both on Andersen in Penn State. Shhhhh, on Nebraska, pops might be somewhere looking down on me, he absolutely loved Nebraska and Tom Osborne, I think thats why I secretly went for Oklahoma.

Seminole Warrior

July 20th, 2009
10:41 pm

Well Jason, that is a tough one. First, TD would not have been stupid enough to suggest to AB that Bobby Petrino was the best available choice to be our coach. Second, given the available personnel at the time we picked, I think that TD would have taken Patrick Willis or Jon Beason, moving Keith Brooking back to the outside instead of MLB. TD would still have taken Stephen Nicholas in the fourth for position depth.

Seminole Warrior

July 20th, 2009
10:45 pm

WR, nothing but love for Pops. But I hated Nebraska! Was stationed there for five years and all they have is the Huskers. On Fridays, it was Big Red Day and all the little school kids had to wear their red. I would not have it!! My little warrior, elementary student at the time, doned the Garnet and Gold, I put the flags and the magnets on the car, and the flags flew in front of the house.

Love ya Pops…but I couldn’t do it….

Sarah B

July 20th, 2009
10:45 pm

Not always WR but it took a foot or two not an inch. Hence my obsession with weather and barometric pressure, also in the summer lots of small craft warnings and spring tornado sirens. I was shocked when I got down here and no sirens. But stuff blows in much faster in the Lakes. People say if you don’t like the weather here sitck around it will change quick enough, have never lived on a Great Lake. Also, laughed the first time someone said we have to go to Lake Lanier… thats a river. My lakes you can’t see across and get beach like sunsets. Also, though I’m never leaving the warm, have any of you ever seen the Northern Lights?? So Cool… you have to go way up in MI to see though.

Sorry I digressed.

Seminole Warrior

July 20th, 2009
10:47 pm

LOL…Lake Lanier a river. Love it.

Sarah B

July 20th, 2009
10:49 pm

Off to take the dogs out and go to bed. I’ll check in in the morning.

D3

July 20th, 2009
10:49 pm

Sorry, here goes the order to the Cheyenne Burger:

Bun > Burger > Cheddar > Onion Rings > BBQ Sauce > Bun

WR – The only issue I have with your argument is Brady. Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round and the majority of 6th round picks aren’t even expected to make the roster. The other ones I can buy, but Brady far exceeded expectations and anyone drafted after the 2nd round really can’t be considered a bust. I don’t want to give away too much because the Bird-Cage Fan Blog (hopefully) will debut this week and JA is one of the topics, the comparisons don’t look too great if you go by draft status and improvement from year one to the second over the last 5 NFL Drafts.

jason – Hopefully we’ll be up and running this week. As you can guess I’m chompin’ at the bit to get rolling. It should be a lot of fun and I can’t wait to get things started.

More later…..

Seminole Warrior

July 20th, 2009
10:51 pm

Cage, forgive me as I let Sarah live out her dream one more time. I’m about to go final with the update Sarah. One last time:

Columbus/Ft Benning: 62 right?
Valdosta/Moody AFB: 64 right?
Savannah/Ft Stewart: 69 right? Isolated Afternoon storms. And I can use the initials “SB”, right?

WR

July 20th, 2009
10:59 pm

D3, status wise, your right, but overall, it took someone a coach, scout, or whatever, to say lets keep him around. Gotta remember my all time favorite QB was a sixth round pick, Mr. Joe Montana, Bill Walsh saw something in him, and those of us old enough to watch him play and remember his magic, are glad Bill chose to keep him around. Earlier you made a point, so did Jason, and Seminole, and that point was about Davis. So here’s my question, we say in TD we trust, in Smitty we trust, so why is it that Jamaal was allowed to continue to be the starter considering the play of Davis and Biermann, I could be wrong, but I think they see something in him.

Seminole Warrior

July 20th, 2009
11:05 pm

WR, I honestly think that they are giving him the time with the Sugar Bear. Th kid plays hard from what I have seen. I think someone said it earlier tonight; he is still learning the DE position. The Davis re-signing was all about the future. Abe has 10 years on his body and he is injury-prone. Davis provides an experienced, though it is limited, contingency plan while the process continues.

WR

July 20th, 2009
11:05 pm

Sarah thats the beauty of the south, half the time we don’t know what the h@ll is going on, and we don’t care, well we do care, unless your talking about our driving in that case its your fault, you were in the way. Have a good night Sarah, wish you would have posted that burger recipe earlier.

WR

July 20th, 2009
11:10 pm

Seminole, thats what I have been saying, he plays hard, someone said earlier that he wasn’t good against the run, and I as well as the analyst disagree. He’s very strong against the run, his pass rushing ability was lacking but I think he’s putting it together. If he breaks outs, the cage will run me off because I won’t be able to stop saying I told you so.

Cheese Gritz Blitz

July 20th, 2009
11:13 pm

WARN PLUTO AND GOOFY!!!

MICHAEL VICK WILL BE TRAINING AT DISNEY WORLD’S SPORTS COMPLEX!!

Seminole Warrior

July 20th, 2009
11:17 pm

Sarah called it a night before I finished huh? Well, here’s hoping her wish is fulfilled. I’m putting in her numbers..

WR, I wish him the best…I really do. I think Jason called it. His numbers were inflated at Arkansas due to what I think was a weakened SEC west that year. Honestly, I would be lying if I was to say that I do not want Davis to get the job. I really think he (Davis) is ready to break out and move on to possible Pro Bowl status.

Sarah B

July 20th, 2009
11:20 pm

Sorry WR – I was covered up at work today. Go with that SW – not trying to take your job. But if you lose yours and Ms WR can stay with me for a while, Big empty house, except me and the dogs and cats… OK I’m out I’ll cacth up in the AM.

WR it really is very excellent and simple. I love Adobo.

WR

July 20th, 2009
11:30 pm

Where did that come from, Ms WR, I can’t go a night without a jab thrown in my direction, talk about a love hate relationship.

Seminole, I know you love the FSU product, I hope he succeeds also, maybe he takes over for Abe, Jamaal will hold down his spot, I hope, if not Davis does deserve a chance.

Sarah B

July 20th, 2009
11:41 pm

WR – what jab??? I meant Ms SW sorry…

Sarah B

July 20th, 2009
11:43 pm

we’ll be keeping the love, my bad.

Sarah B

July 21st, 2009
12:10 am

No hate. As said in the Dixie Chicks song:

It’s a sad sad story when a mother will teach her
Daughter that she ought to hate a perfect stranger
And how in the world can the words that I said
Send somebody so over the edge
That they’d write me a letter
Sayin’ that I better shut up and sing
Or my life will be over

Not a big country fan, but htis album is great as you can see with lyrics like this. Now I am really going to bed…

SeminoleWarrior

July 21st, 2009
12:41 am

Settled into the TeePee here after the nightbeat. Going to call it an early one due to a dentist visit early in the AM. Laters Posse. See ya in the latter AM..

jason

July 21st, 2009
12:42 am

Well Jason, that is a tough one. First, TD would not have been stupid enough to suggest to AB that Bobby Petrino was the best available choice to be our coach. Second, given the available personnel at the time we picked, I think that TD would have taken Patrick Willis or Jon Beason, moving Keith Brooking back to the outside instead of MLB. TD would still have taken Stephen Nicholas in the fourth for position depth.

Seminole, excellent post.

WR, the reason that JAnderson is still here and given oppurtunity is because he has talent. The guy got skills. He is just to young in the position. He is still only 23. Smitty see enough in him to give him the oppurtuniy. I would not be surprised to see Davis eventually replace him as starter. Davis did get starter’s pay. Now, If ATL is under cap then they can afford JAnderson’s pay a little longer in hopes that he turns it on. Like we said a few months back, He may never be a 10-15 QB sack monster, but if he can give us 7-10 plus his good run defense, can you really argue? By the way, I never said he was no good against the run. I think that was BT in an earlier post. I don’t really know what the SEC West does. I stay in the east.

Anyway, it has been a blast tonight, but work calls tomorrow. D3, I think I finally joined the FF. I will be around tomorrow to see what the CAGE is up to. Later.

Necromancer

July 21st, 2009
2:44 am

Bring on da season!

BT

July 21st, 2009
7:24 am

Good morning, Cagers.
Not to beat a dead horse, check out what these knowledgeable Falcons fans have to say about JA98 and what they think he must do to satisfy expectations.
Some very interesting takes..click link below

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=122&f=1699&t=4515201

CBrass

July 21st, 2009
8:49 am

Wow seems like things really picked up once i called it a night. Hope all is well this AM.

SeminoleWarrior

July 21st, 2009
9:08 am

Good morning Posse. What are we feeling today? Offense, Defense, special team? Let’s roll!!

CBrass

July 21st, 2009
9:11 am

Seminole Warrior,

Let’s go with offense…that should be alot of fun. Just imagine the possibilities!!!

jason

July 21st, 2009
9:17 am

BT, I read some of the posts on that thread. They seem to be coming back to the same thing. JAnderson Is an inexperienced DE who does not have the confidence in his ability to get to the QB. I kept hearing 5-8 sacks and 50+ tackles. I was saying the same thing last night. If he can get to the 5-7 mark and keep getting better against the run, he will be ok. I think more important thane the sack numbers, he needs to the QB pressures. He needs to force the QB to Abe’s side or up the middle. Basicly get Assts. on sacks. THe slow offf the line speaks the same, of being unsure in his abilities. Smitty sees something there because he keeps playing him. TD and Smitty didn’t draft him. I went into that as well. He has the talent and ability, but how long do you wait? He was not first round talent to begin with. I am not going to get into specifics, but he needs to show remarkable improvement. He needs to cause disruption in the backfield. Doing that does not necessarily show up in stats. Can he do this in an ATL uniform?

SeminoleWarrior

July 21st, 2009
9:22 am

CB, you lead the way my Lady….

jason

July 21st, 2009
9:23 am

CBrass, we going offense today? What’s on your mind? Just throw something out there. We had a discussion on WRs a while back. How many do you think we will carry? And who will they be? We know Roddy, Jenks, HD,and more than likely Finn. DO we carry 5 or 6? Who do you think #5 and possibly #6 would be? We will also add TEs. Gonzo, Harstock, Peele, and there is one more who keeps escaping me at the moment. There you go, topic of the morning. With each one we throw out there we can explore what each brings to the team, Strngths/weaknesses.

jason

July 21st, 2009
9:27 am

SeminoleWarrior, I am rolling with my Makers team in FF. I am getting reved up.

D3, is 30 AUG the set day for the draft. If so, I have a problem. I will be at work that night. I won’t have access to the FF site. Could we possibly do it the 29th? Let me get to work and double check and I will drop you a post on the blog.

SeminoleWarrior

July 21st, 2009
9:30 am

Ok Jason…we will do the home folks right and play our game at the Syrup Bowl and the Vet!! Talk about homecooking!! LOL

SeminoleWarrior

July 21st, 2009
9:33 am

CBrass is in deep thought about her first question. Fire away my dear. You are ready for the lead!!

CBrass

July 21st, 2009
10:01 am

jason,

Wow put me on the spot. We can start with talking about the wide receivers, then TE’s, then RB’s, then quaterbacks, then finally the OL. To answer your question the only ones I know off the top of my head would be White, Jenkins, HD, and Finn (the ones that you listed). I’m not sure how many we carried last season will have to look into that. I know I was hearing alot about the kid out of Clemson. Sounds like he has all of the tools to development into something special.

Have a little work to do then I’ll jump back in.

CBrass

July 21st, 2009
10:07 am

Aaron Kelly, that’s the guy. Just thinking back Matty had alot to say about him. He’s 6′5 203 lbs. Do you guys think he will have to bulk up a little? Jenkins is 6′4 215 where White is 6′0 208. HD even put on an additional 20 lbs or so this off season. Sorry if the whole weight thing is off topic but in order to be a receiver in this league you have to be able to take a pounding and looks like Kelly is a little one the skinny side…considering his height.

WR

July 21st, 2009
10:08 am

Okay, I have a topic, lets suppose the curse of 370 is real, first game into the season Turner blows out a knee, where does this leave the running game, in whose hands, Norwood, Snelling, Brown, possible trade. Secondly how does it effect the offense in general, do the birds remain a run first team or do they become more pass happy, what effects would it have on Ryan. Lets get to it cage.

Sarah B

July 21st, 2009
10:09 am

SW how’d my weather report hold up?

SeminoleWarrior

July 21st, 2009
10:10 am

CB, the kid you are thinking of is Aaron Kelly. He is 6′5″ about 200 if I recall. He was a terror at Clemson (when someone would throw the ball with accuracy). Hs mad skills and was a decent return man. Needs to be a little tougher if you ask me but he is a large target that is not scared to go after the ball.

WR

July 21st, 2009
10:10 am

Just noticed your post CBrass, I was not trying to overshadow your topic.

SeminoleWarrior

July 21st, 2009
10:13 am

Sarah, you did well my dear. Great job…your family would be proud!

Savannah: Sarah said: 69 observed 69
Valdosta: Sarah said: 64 observed 65
Columbus: Sarah said: 62 observed 63
No precipitation observed at any location.

CBrass

July 21st, 2009
10:15 am

Seminole Warrior,

Those are the same things that I heard about him. Huge upside and a lot of potential. Will they put him on the practice squad for a year or so or do they try to get him in the game in some way? Just imagine Kelly, White, and Finn on third downs…with Norwood as a threat out of the back field!!!

CBrass

July 21st, 2009
10:16 am

WR,

Not problem at all. That’s a very good point. How would we respond to that? That’s a very very good question to consider.

SeminoleWarrior

July 21st, 2009
10:18 am

WR..

First, let me set the record straight. I love Turner and would be truly devasted if that was to occur. A deja-vu like that seems to be a thread
for the Falcons. The only “big” back we have had that did not have it happen was Gerald Riggs if I recall. Andrews, Jam…suffered it.

To the point: Should it happen, that would then open the door for my man Snelling to become what LeRon McClain did for the Ravens last yr. Snelling’s size, descent speed, and hands would allow Mad Mike to not have to make drastic changes to the power game. Norwood’s role would not change; Brown would get more touches on ST as his development would continue.

CBrass

July 21st, 2009
10:19 am

Sorry that should be Kelly, Gonzo, and Finn on third downs!!!

SeminoleWarrior

July 21st, 2009
10:22 am

CB, unfortunately this is the last year of Finn’s contract. As much as I like him, I wonder if he will be retained. At 6′5″, 210, he is a big target that I would keep. But you have to wonder with a youth movement well underway, will we keep a 10 year vet on the squad. I would make an exception for Finn if I could talk to TD.

D3

July 21st, 2009
10:22 am

What’s Up Fellow ‘Cager? Rolling towards Page 7 only in a handful of days. Wow, are we really rockin’ in here or what? Let’s hit it….

jason – here’s the dates that could possibly be our draft days listed below. Got signed up I see, nice.

Bird-Cage Fantasy Draft Dates – Sat. August 8th, Sun. August 9th, Sat. August 15th, Sun. August 16th, Sun. August 23rd, Sun. August 30th and I guess we could always do it on Labor Day if need be. I was trying to aim for the weekend, so we could enjoy it a little, but we could always do it during the week later at night. Put your vote out there on what you think. Haven’t heard from Stirg since he emailed me last week.

CBrass – If we had an empty spot in our Fantasy Football League, would you be interested?

Potential Receivers:

Aaron Kelly – #15
Rookie – Clemson
Height – 6’5, Weight – 203 (listed at 196 coming out in draft)
2008 Stats – 67 Rec, 722 Yds, 4 TDs; Career – 232 Rec, 2,733 Yds, 20 TDs
Bio – Hometown product from Walton High School; Started all four years at Clemson. Graduated as the school record-holder for career touchdown receptions (20), breaking Glen Smith’s 57 year old TD reception record. Named a second-team All-ACC selection in 2008 and earned first-team all-conference honors from the Associated Press in 2007. Mentioned several times in mini-camp by coaching staff. Very light weight for tall frame, may have trouble getting off NFL level jams.

Darren Mougey – #16
Rookie – San Diego St.
Height – 6’6, Weight – 230
2008 Stats – 34 Rec, 437 Yds, 4 TDs
Bio – Served as a quarterback and wide receiver at San Diego State. In 2008, he finished third on the Aztec’s in receiving with 34 receptions for 437 yards and four touchdowns. His career receiving totals include 66 receptions for 805 yards (12.2 avg.) and six touchdowns. Reportedly ran a 4.53 40-time. Could be great red-zone threat with size and speed. Maybe a reason he wasn’t drafted in any of the seven rounds.

Brandon Godfrey – #17
Rookie – Utah
Height – 6’3 Weight – 201
2008 Stats – 56 Rec, 556 Yds, 4 TDs
Bio – Caught 128 receptions for 1,440 yards (11.3 avg.) and eight touchdowns in 36 career games at the University of Utah. Godfrey’s 128 career receptions are tied for the seventh-most all-time at Utah and also finished second on the team in catches in both 2007 and ’08. Ran a 4.45 40-time. Signed on June 3rd as undrafted rookie free agent. Big, tall, and fast. Not signed when all other undrafted rookie free agents were inked.

Troy Bergeron – #11
NFL Experience – 1 yr
Height – 6’2 Weight – 190
Arena Football Stats – 328 Rec, 4,335 Yds, 96 TDs
Bio – Competed with the Georgia Force of the AFL for three seasons. In his Force career, tallied 328 receptions for 4,335 yards and 96 touchdowns while adding 1,416 kickoff return yards. He was named the AFL Rookie of the Year in 2005 and was a second-team All-Arena selection in 2007. In 2006, signed by the Falcons as an undrafted free agent and following his release after training camp, was signed by the Buffalo Bills to the practice squad in Week 13 of the regular season.

Chandler Williams – #18
NFL Experience – 1 yr
Height – 5’11 Weight – 178
Florida International Stats – 203 Rec, 2,519 Yds,
Bio – Originally selected by the Minnesota Vikings in the seventh round (233rd overall) in the 2007 NFL Draft. Released by the Vikings following training camp and was signed to the Miami Dolphins practice squad where he spent the entire season. Waived by the Dolphins on April 25, 2008. Signed by the Falcons as a free agent on April 29, 2008

Check them out and see what you think…….

SeminoleWarrior

July 21st, 2009
10:27 am

CB, I think he could make the team. Imagine Mad Mike in the red zone, MR in the no-huddle, and you have this to throw to:

Norwood in a one back set with 6′5″ Finn/Kelly , 6′5″ Jenkins, 6′6″ Gonzo, and the speed of RW and HD. Can you say SIX points?

CBrass

July 21st, 2009
10:29 am

D3,

Thanks for the invite but I wouldn’t beginning to know what I’m doing in playing FF. LOL I really do not think I’m ready for that just yet. Thanks for the potential receivers list. That will give me something to go on.

Seminole Warrior,

He’s a fan favorite and one of my favorites. He has such reliable hands. I will be so hard to see him go!! So are you thinking that this maybe his last season in ATL?

CBrass

July 21st, 2009
10:33 am

Seminole Warrior,

Exactly!! Many DC will be pulling all nighters trying to come up with ways to defend that.

SeminoleWarrior

July 21st, 2009
10:33 am

D3, I’ve seen Kelly in person for the last three years. I like what he brings. Working with Coach Rob, the little issues in his game can be corrected with ease. He could be a little tougher in the middle but that comes with time.

Bergeron was a beast in the Gwinnett Center (Yes, I’m a Force ticket holder as well)..a PURE football junkie. If it can translate, he is a steal…a TRUE Wes Welker clone.

Honestly, the other three are special teams at best if you ask me. Given RW, TD, MJ, and Finn’s secure places, we will add TWO at best to the roster.

SeminoleWarrior

July 21st, 2009
10:36 am

CB, I don’t want him to leave us but he has been in the league for ten years now and is a few years removed from a major injury. No one will ever question his heart, his leadership, and his loyalty. I hope we can keep him at a nice number. TD will do right by Finn. I think they will do a one or two year deal with him working in certain packages and on STs.

SeminoleWarrior

July 21st, 2009
10:37 am

But if Kelly put in the time with Coach Rob, he will be a surprise to many in a couple of years. He damned sure could not ask for a better teacher than Coach Rob.

SeminoleWarrior

July 21st, 2009
10:38 am

Teaching coaches…that give me an idea for forum later in the day. Will stay with CB’s offensive theme for the morn.

SeminoleWarrior

July 21st, 2009
10:48 am

D3…a thought

In most of the other leagues that I am playing in, we are doing automated drafts on the 23rd of August. That date allows for one more preseason assessment (with a lot of the regulars getting work) and a nice period to review the waiver wires and facilitate trades.

I’m cool with whatever date the Cage goes with. The Posse will be ready to ride off into the sunset in victory. My Appaloosa mascot will enjoy making a certain coach/GM “bend over” with a sweet victory kick. LOL.

CBrass

July 21st, 2009
10:50 am

So have we moved on to the next position on O?

SeminoleWarrior

July 21st, 2009
10:51 am

CBrass, you have the lead. Ladies first.

CBrass

July 21st, 2009
10:54 am

It think the next position is TE. How many do you guys think we will carry?

SeminoleWarrior

July 21st, 2009
10:55 am

And CB, don’t undersestimate yourself on the FFL. There are some great guides on there on the game as well as ranking your players, team strategy, etc. Personally, I think you could do it. Your passion for the game will allow you to do well. There are THREE keys rules in FF.

1. Do not load your team with homers (home team players).
2. Beware of your BYE weeks.
3. Have a method to your madness and STICK with it.

SeminoleWarrior

July 21st, 2009
10:59 am

CB, I’m thinking three TEs. Gonzo, Hartsock, and Peele will be retained. Gonzo and Peele will be the receivers; all three are blockers with Hartsock and Gonzo among the best in the league.

WR

July 21st, 2009
11:18 am

Seminole, I like your take on Snelling, but even though he’s a dog, Thomas Brown could play a big role if Turner got hurt. Brown is more of the old school scatback. He’s quick between the tackles and very strong. I see Snelling as more of the LenDale White type of back. He’s a bruiser with adequate speed and nice soft hands. As far as Aaron Kelly I have to agree with you, I as you keep up with the ACC and Kelly could be a stud after a few years of on the job training. Speaking of the ACC, C.J Spiller is not projected as a first rounder or even a second rounder because he doesn’t possess natural running back size, now if we wore to lose Norwood, Spiller would be a very nice replacement in the third round. That was yesterdays discussion but Kelly made me think of the hated Tigers, GT’s real nemesis. Is FSU even fielding a team this year, if so, why, as long as Jimbo is in Tallahassee the noles wll stink.

Now on to Finn, he is a feel good story, and he has made us feel good, I think the Falcons keep him maybe one more year beyond this year, because of his overall leadership and dedication to the team. I hope after next year he retires, I would rather see him leave the game gracefully then to sit on the free agency list hoping for a chance.

Question: Does Shockley beat out Redman this year, if so does Redman have any trade value or would he just be cut, no way does a number three sit on the bench making 4.5 mil a year.

CBrass

July 21st, 2009
11:32 am

Seminole Warrior,

I agree those are the three I would go with. Gonzo…well there obvious reasons to keep him. As for Peele he made some impressive catches last season…the td’s in San Deigo and Green Bay. Speaking of the Green Bay td…what type of pay was that? If you can remember.

Juice

July 21st, 2009
11:37 am

Hey guys, just finished reading 6 pages of comments… took me two days. I want to start off by saying that you guys know your stuff and I learned a lot. It’s good to see some constructive conversations going on here.

There’s no way I can comment on all of the points weighed during the past 6 pages as I don’t feel like writing an essay so I’ll just touch on some of the more recent ones.

First, BT, I gotta agree with you on JA98. If I’m calling the shots and paying the bills, I need to see something out of JA98 this year — something like 5-7 sacks as mentioned before, and more tackles. We can’t have a definite weak side of the line. I’d love to see us give a shot at some 3-4 defense with heavy rotation.

Also, Norwood. JN. This guy is a freak. I loved him since we got him, and I was stoked when I thought he was going to be the starter last year. I was disappointed when we got Turner at first, but man… Have I ever been this wrong? That guy is a HORSE… A BEAST. Still — I would hate to see JN go, I want his dynamic play on our team. Fast, deadly in the open. For those who said he isn’t quick I’d have to disagree; for those who said he isnt durable I’d have to disagree. He makes movements, cuts, spins, and appears to be off-balance but it always seems to be just enough to get him out of reach and still maintain speed — not mention he has a pretty mean stiffarm for a guy his size. If you watch his highlights, this guy doesn’t shy away from contact. I think he has an underrated skill for taking tackles the right way to minimize the possibility of being injured — I don’t really recall him being injured more than one game of any season… could be mistaken. Anyway, I couldn’t blame him taking more money elsewhere, but I would love to see him on our team during the SUPERBOWL we’ll see within the next 2 or 3 years max. He does deserve more money. I think we can find some for him. I think our management sees the asset that he is.

CBrass — On a related note: the possibility of Turner getting hurt this season… Would suck, would hurt our team, but would be relatively manageable. Matt Ryan gets hurt — God forbid — we’re screwed. We will still have Norwood and Snelling and Brown, they’ve ALL shown that they have promise. We know what Norwood can do, and with the compliment of Snelling and Brown we still have a power back and a more agile one.

WR — Concerning the weight changes on the Falcons… I was recently reading an article that was saying AP was trying to gain weight. This poor guy… I don’t blame him. He is their offensive crutch, he takes such a beating, he needs some extra padding. However, in the article it was explaining (with examples of previous players) that the added weight does not really protect against injuries. They highlighted the fact that it’s all extra weight to your ankles and knees, and may result in more wear and tear on your lower body as you run and make cuts. SO: Turner — do I blame him? NO! Do I like it? NO! Let’s remember he’s been in the league for what? 6 years or so? But he’s only been starting one of those years. HD.. WHY! You were perfect! I loved HD last year (also, I think he would be a nice backup if Roddy were to go down, good on the long ball, good speed, pretty good route running.) I hope this doesn’t slow him down too much. I’ve also heard from more than one source that Matt Ryan has been KILLING the weight room, and has bulked up considerably. I LIKE THIS. He’s going to be tougher, and have a little more of an arm. Now that I think about it, one of the people who mentioned Matt’s offseason habit was Ovie Mughelli and I belive he used the word “SCARY” to describe how much he’s done in the offseason (strength training only being one of them), and I gotta say, Ovie is SO underrated as blocker/fullback and moral booster he can catch too!)

Whew. Am I rambling on? Too bad — I’m not done. Let me tell you, lastly, that I have so much faith in our GM and HC. Look at what they put together in such a short time. Amazing eye for talent, TD has (accidentally typed like Yoda, decided to leave it due to awesomeness.) Let me start with our D because that’s harder. WE HAVE DEPTH. Belive it or not, we do. We’re really young but we have gads of talent all over. I’m a bit concerned about our LB corps in the future but no doubt TD has a plan. Look, we have battles for starting positions all over our defense, and that’s a good thing. Here’s my take on our team as a whole, now that I’ve touched on defense. We have a top 5 offense, no doubt in my mind. Here’s what I see of our plan. We have ball control on our offense. We have tons of options of ways to get it up the field, and we’ll have a great conversion ratio. Also, lets not forget last year our 1st quarter scoring rank in the NFL… This team is designed to play from ahead. We will control the clock. Once we’re ahead, our defense, when on the field, will have an easier job. We’ll stop the run. Look at our DLine, we have both star pash rushers and run cloggers, and plenty of room to rotate and keep people rested. Our LB’s are designed to a be consistant compliment to our DLine. Secondary? YOUNG. But lets look at them, with all of the competition, we generally have hard hitting (fumbles + intimidation for the WR/RB) BALL HAWKS (interceptions/intimidation for the QB.) Get it? We’re ahead. They’re trying to catch up, we are looking for them to make a mistake, then get picked. I mean, look who we got in the second and third round this year (both of them have a chance to start.) William Moore (S), who many experts compare to Brian Dawkins (Moore is okay in coverage, but a beast in interceptions and great in the box against the run.) We also got Chris Ownens (CB), who some experts compare to Asante Samuel! I see us rotating our safeties, and having Owens play slot until we know for sure he can start.

All things considered, as is the nature of the NFL, you never know what will happen. That said, I think we can beat any team in the NFL, and if we stay completely healthy OR if everyone plays to their potential, we could taste an Superbowl as early as this year. If we’re healthy AND we have everyone play to their potential… Well, you get the point. With our schedule, I see us winning our division and going 10-6 in the regular season.

I didn’t realize I had that much to say. Thanks for reading, if you made it all the way through I would love to hear some comments.

FYI

July 21st, 2009
11:37 am

Falcons backup C Jeremy Newberry is reportedly retiring from football.

The 11-year veteran has been dealing with bad knees for years, and the knee on which microfracture surgery was performed five years ago was getting “worse and worse.” The Falcons cut Alex Stepanovich shortly after signing Newberry, so he could be an option to return.
Source: Profootballtalk at NBCSports.com

SeminoleWarrior

July 21st, 2009
11:39 am

My ACC brother, I will send you a bottle of your favorite for the top notch analysis you just presented. I’m on record as a Jimbo hater. He is by far the most-overrated coach in college football. LSU was loaded and we all know that the SEC West, outside of Auburn, was garbage.

As far as Brown goes, I will have to defer to what the DAWGS in the house have stated. I’ve seen enough of Snelling to know that he can be a stud. Snelling is a slightly larger version of a player that burst onto the scene last year but will fool no one this year…Pierre Thomas of the Saints.

Spiller is THE perfect replacement for Norwood should he depart. There would not be missed beat. Actually, I think Spiller is larger right? And he can hit the hole as well as burn down the house.

I really do not know about Shock. He has had two years to work with QB guru Bill Musgrave. This is his preseason to shine. I agree with you on the cap hit for Redman but I think he would easily restructure to stay in ATL. No one else would really show any interest I think.

SeminoleWarrior

July 21st, 2009
11:42 am

D….d Juice; and I thought I was a part time Baptist preacher..LOL. You laid it down man…

Sarah B

July 21st, 2009
11:51 am

23rd works for me too the week before that I’ll be in MI with no computer access from the 15th-18th.

SeminoleWarrior

July 21st, 2009
11:51 am

CBrass, the TD to Peele in that game was a one yard out pass to the tight end. MR was on a bootleg.

jason

July 21st, 2009
11:52 am

Wow, I dropped a huge topic today and am being slammed at work and can’t respond. CBrass is bringing it today. Unca’Bob has taught you well, young grasshopper. When it slows down, I will try to join the fun.

I like Aaron Kelly, too.

Unca' Bob

July 21st, 2009
11:55 am

The league is set for an uncapped year in 2010 because the owners elected to “opt out” of the collective bargaining agreement. A new deal needs to be in place by February 2010 or teams will have that “uncapped” year in 2010. If White and the Falcons don’t reach a deal, under the old rules, he was set to become an unrestricted free agent after this season. If the “uncapped” year scenario plays out, White would become a restricted free agent for one year and could hit the open market after the 2010 season.

Sarah B

July 21st, 2009
11:56 am

Actually I just looked at the schedule and I think the 30th is better that way we have 3 pre-season game to evaluate rookies and added players eg: TO in Buffalo.

SeminoleWarrior

July 21st, 2009
12:01 pm

Cage, I wondered about the Newberry signing myself because I had read similiar reports shortly after he came onboard.

I really do not see it as an issue. Romberg and Wilkerson are on board behind McClure.

D3

July 21st, 2009
12:01 pm

FYI – thanks for the update on Newberry. Still waiting to hear it on either NFL.com or ESPN NFL, those usually have the most correct information when it comes to stuff like this, but if that’s true, that looks to be a pretty big blow to our awesome depth we had developed and Quinn Ojinnaka would now all but be assured a spot unless they wait to snag someone either off waiver once cuts happen or develop someone in house (Michael Butterworth, Ryan Stanchek, or Jose Valdez).

Juice – Great analysis, we certainly welcome you to join us on a regular basis.

Sarah & Seminole – Aug. 23rd works for me, but it will likely need to be in the A.M. if possible.

More later……

SeminoleWarrior

July 21st, 2009
12:03 pm

Jason, she is making a serious run at the Cage’s Rookie of the Year award. And she thinks that she can’t hold up in the FFL. I beg to differ!!

jason

July 21st, 2009
12:05 pm

Juice, you said alot and then some. You just added to the knowledge spread throughout the Cage. Alot of us on our picks this early are swaying 10-6.

jason

July 21st, 2009
12:07 pm

SeminoleWarrior, CBras would be the Drkhorse to win it all. She has come on strong, and fast.

CBrass

July 21st, 2009
12:12 pm

jason,

I actually thought I was going to be swapped today but got things done alot faster then expected. I’m learning alot for everyone. You guys have done a great job in helping me in learning more about the game.

Juice,

Nice work. Hope to see more of you. If Matty(I hope to God that doesn’t happen) goes down that would be a big blow but I think Redman could step in and deliver with the weapons that we have on O. We would no doubt miss his leadership…that’s one thing that can’t be replaced. I also read the same article where Mughelli described Ryan’s offseason work ethic and improvement has scary. It really spoke volumes when I heard that he was watching film the morning after the loss to AZ. Determination like that can’t be taught.

Seminole Warrior,

Thanks I had always wondered what type of play that was.

jason

July 21st, 2009
12:13 pm

D3, I am good for AUG 8,9,23. Dude night shift sucks. I can do A.M. or P.M.

CBrass

July 21st, 2009
12:14 pm

LOL that should be swamped. Trying to type and eat not a good combo.

SeminoleWarrior

July 21st, 2009
12:17 pm

D3, works for me..

UnCa, if White and his folks don’t call us soon, I’m going to break out the “Franchise Tag” and seal the deal for an extra year.

Seriously, If I were the GM, here is what I would offer a 27 year old receiver with Pro Bowl skills. He is working with a young, developing QB and is my #1 receiver.

3 years, 28 million, 18 million guaranteed, 12 million SB.

The deal is very comparable to what Greg Jennings and the Pack just did. I think that RW and Jennings are on the same level. Comments?

jason

July 21st, 2009
12:17 pm

WR, Juice, CBrass, If Turner was to go down, we would no doubt struggle at first running the ball. MR would probably go to a short passing game to replace while TB and Snelling get acclimated to more touches. You would see a 3 headed RB by committie with Snelling, JN, and TB.

If MR goes down Redman could hold the fort for a week or two. If (God Forbid) it’s season ending we would be screwed. But what happens if DJ beats Redman out for the backup? I think Redman still jumps to starter if MR is out for a long period of time.

Juice

July 21st, 2009
12:18 pm

Thanks guys. Hopefully I’ll be able to chime in here and there in the upcoming times. I’m always looking for things to do other than work! I’m also on the Atlanta Falcons’ message board as juiceaccts. I actually copied what I wrote to there as well to get some input since it took me a while to write.

jason

July 21st, 2009
12:19 pm

SeminoleWarrior, at firsy I was going to say let him walk. But White is still developing also. You have him and MR both growing together. White is a must sign, and if you have to franchise to buy another year of negotiations, then you have to do it.

SeminoleWarrior

July 21st, 2009
12:20 pm

CBrass. Roll on my sister! WR, you have to check out this analysis on the Redman point since you raised the question. Excellent point CB !! I’ll spring for your dessert.

CBrass

July 21st, 2009
12:26 pm

Seminole Warrior,

LOL dessert sounds really good right now. “3 years, 28 million, 18 million guaranteed, 12 million SB.”
If he doesn’t take that offer I would gladly take it. Looking at Roddy he doesn’t come off as selfish(but should be paid according to his skills) and I do believe that he wants to stay apart of this team.

SeminoleWarrior

July 21st, 2009
12:29 pm

Don’t underestimate Redman’s leadership. He could be to the Birds in this scenario (God forbid) what Trent Dilfer was in 2000 for the Ravens. Dilfer was a smart keeper of the flame. He managed a strong running game and made key plays where he had to. Granted, our D is not the Ravens D, but we have one element that understands what that D was all about; their D line coach that year, Mike Smith. We will be better, still maybe bending but not breaking, but if thir horrible scenario was to play, Mad Mike would still fine ways to make the offense lethal.

I’ve got to see Shock do it in a complete game…maybe he will get a half+ in the preseason to show us. But for know, I got to go with Redman based on the work I have seen, though that work is limited.

jason

July 21st, 2009
12:32 pm

SeminoleWarrior, I agree on DJ, he really needs to come on strong this year. He is running out of time with ATL, I think. That’s why I was saying that if he was to win the Backup and A MR got hurt and missed alot of time… Redman would jump DJ to starter based on experience.

SeminoleWarrior

July 21st, 2009
12:32 pm

Jason, give me the swing set anytime. I hate being near the brass!! And now that I have Sarah as my apprentice, I’m gooooooood to go.

SeminoleWarrior

July 21st, 2009
12:35 pm

Ooops…let me clarify. I mean my office brass. CBrass, you are special.

Unca' Bob

July 21st, 2009
12:36 pm

Juice,

Wow! When you break your vow of silence, you really bring it! Who is A P?

‘Nole,

I’m all for gettin’ ‘er done. I feel R White is a cut above G Jennings, but not by much. According to Fox Sports, R White made a salary of $809,560 in ‘08. I would sweeten that up some and go for three more years. He will then be 31 years old and see where it goes from there.

WR

July 21st, 2009
12:36 pm

Seminole, I’m a football fan, yes I have my favorites like GT and the birds, but overall I just enjoy football. It was funny to hear a Noles fan feel the way that I do, at some point everybody I grew up with pulled for the Noles or Miami, gotta admit I went with the U. Jimbo is horribly overrated, most say he will take over for Bowden once he retires and I believe that will be a serious mistake. I know I joke about the free shoes U, which it was, but honestly the team hasn’t been the same since Richt left, actually, Georgia hasn’t been the same since Richt left FSU. I’m sorry my ACC brother but if Jimbo is FSU’s coach of the future you might want to look at adopting another team.

D3, anytime in August after the second preseason game is good with me, I will be in New York for the last week in July and the first week in August, after that I’m open to any date, I probably will have to work on the A.M. part though.

WR

July 21st, 2009
12:38 pm

Unca’Bob, its getting close to the start of the season, stop holding out on that Bar B Q sauce,LOL.

jason

July 21st, 2009
12:40 pm

honestly the team hasn’t been the same since Richt left, actually, Georgia hasn’t been the same since Richt left FSU.

WR, you are so right, and I am glad CMR is at UGA. I was Happy that Tech hired CPJ, well not as much now after the beatdown your Jackets gave us last NOV.

CBrass

July 21st, 2009
12:45 pm

Seminole Warrior,

LOL I knew what you meant!!

WR

July 21st, 2009
12:46 pm

Jason, no point in lying, Richt brought UGA back to its rightful place in the SEC, Goff killed UGA, and Donnan threw the dirt on the grave, but Richt revived the program. As I said I’m with the state of Georgia, if UGA is not playing Tech, you best believe I’m cheering on the dogs.

Mudfish

July 21st, 2009
12:47 pm

We all want the team to go 16-0 and win the Super Bowl, but a trend is a trend, and the Falcons ALWAYS suck after a winning season.

Unca' Bob

July 21st, 2009
12:48 pm

WR,

The recipe I have is a vinager and pepper sauce. It generally is used at pig pickin’s as a base as well as an additive once you have pulled the pork. It is not like anything you can buy. If you want it, it’s yours.

WR

July 21st, 2009
12:50 pm

Seminole, my ACC brother, this is a sad day, because I have to align myself with a dog, because I know ya’ll are going to suck for years to come, pray the old man stays many more years, or at least he changes his will.

jason

July 21st, 2009
12:52 pm

WR, I am the same way. I just have a great respect for the caliber atheletes in the state of GA. What always killed UGA was teams USC East, Clemson, TENN, and AUB raiding GA for our recruits. CMR turned that around for us, and that’s the biggest reason for our recent success. Jasper Sanks or Jamaal Lewis… Need I say more. UGA did not even try to recruit Lewis.

jason

July 21st, 2009
12:53 pm

WR, I don’t think any one Coach could come Post BB and win games. It will take a few years for FSU to rise again. A few more years and possibly a few more HCs.

Unca' Bob

July 21st, 2009
12:55 pm

jason,

That would be The USC. West is the “other” USC.

SeminoleWarrior

July 21st, 2009
12:57 pm

WR, I respect a true fan for his love of his team and his loyalty to the truth. You are such a fan and man. Even if Jimbo wrecks my beloved ‘Noles, I will never surrender the deep love I have for FSU. It would be like giving up on my Braves, Hawks, and Falcons.

Jimbo will come and go. But the Seminole nation, the ONLY unconquered, unbeaten tribe in HISTORY, will never surrender. We may be down for a while but, baby brother, we will NEVER be out!!

BT

July 21st, 2009
1:02 pm

Juice-Way to bring it.

SeminoleWarrior

July 21st, 2009
1:04 pm

WR, the truth does not lie. Richt clearly was the man behind the magic at FSU. And now, he has UGA on the cusp. Have you ever had the chance to meet the dude? Is there a more open and real coach in the game? I think not.

SeminoleWarrior

July 21st, 2009
1:06 pm

UnCa B,

My point exactly..thus my proposal. Anyone have TD’s email address? I will send it to him.

CBrass, can you handle that for me?

WR

July 21st, 2009
1:07 pm

As long as the Trojans live, we will all be out, if the Trojans stopped underestimating there lesser opponents they would rule the college football world. I hate to admit it but the Trojans are the 33rd NFL team. Carroll has worked miracles for that team, and to think if they are not playing in the national championship game, they are playing at home in the Rose Bowl, the old FSU could give them a run for their money, but that is the old FSU. Most will disagree but if the Trojans had not lost to Arizona state, Florida would not be your National Champions.

CBrass

July 21st, 2009
1:09 pm

Seminole Warrior,

Handle what? Getting his email address?

SeminoleWarrior

July 21st, 2009
1:09 pm

I concur WR.

SeminoleWarrior

July 21st, 2009
1:10 pm

LOL…just kidding my dear lady. Just checking to see if you were there. You had been quiet.

WR

July 21st, 2009
1:12 pm

As for the Hawks and Braves, after watching Hanson last night, if the Braves get some hitters they will be back on top, the Hawks have the makings of a really good team, but personally I think Mike Woodson can’t coach. I do like the fact that the Hawks have a good GM now, eventually Woodson will be gone. Yeah the team has improved year after year with Woodson, but I feel thats more of a byproduct of talent and cohesion, not coaching. Woodson needs to go, okay now back to our beloved Falcons, it is the bird cage and the Hawks are birds, but this cage is dedicated to the Falcons, I just had to get that off of my chest.

jason

July 21st, 2009
1:12 pm

WR, USC is the 33 NFL team. They pay their players just like the pros.

jason

July 21st, 2009
1:15 pm

WR, The hawks need a Center, and a young PG to develope. The Braves will be back on top in 2 years with the bats coming to help JJ and Hanson. Freeman and Heyward. Remember those 2 names.

WR

July 21st, 2009
1:19 pm

Seminole, I’m a real fan, somewhat of a student of the game, FSU along with Miami back in day were the most talented teams in the nation year in and year out. USC is now alone in that department, but their doing the samething FSU did, they lose to completely inferior opponents, I’m guessing its boredom, or taking an opponent litely, but I think people fell to realize that USC use to be FSU. Now that might swell your Teepee head, but I gotta be honest, your not a real fan if you haven’t noticed that within the past 20 years.

SeminoleWarrior

July 21st, 2009
1:21 pm

CBrass and all,

I have one for you. What Falcons are Pro Bowl bound this season?

SeminoleWarrior

July 21st, 2009
1:26 pm

Ohhhhhhhhhh ouch! But trust me brother, I have noted it all over the years. All the rises and falls. And I will never change my stripes. My love will be to the day they take me to Andersonville to my Falcons, Seminoles, Hawks, Braves, and Bulldogs (US 84 version).

CBrass

July 21st, 2009
1:34 pm

jason,

I agree with you on the Hawks(even thought I do not watch NBA basketball that much). I’ve been saying for years they need a big man in the middle instead of all of these forwards that were drafting for a while. If you look back at the teams that have been successful and winning championships they all have a dominating big man and a point guard to lead the team. I’m sure you know we bypassed Chris Paul for Sheldon Williams and we all know how well that has worked out for us.

Sorry I got carried away…LOL

Seminole Warrior,

On offense it’s hard to say because we have so much talent and I think it will be spread around. If there was an offensive Pro Bowler I would go with Matty. On defense it’s really hard to say. They are all so young.

Juice

July 21st, 2009
1:54 pm

Mudfish: “We all want the team to go 16-0 and win the Super Bowl, but a trend is a trend, and the Falcons ALWAYS suck after a winning season.”

Troll or not, I feel the need to address this. What’s in a trend or correlation? They all have something similar, that yields something similar, right? While in general they are nothing to scoff at, lets look at what you said. “…Falcons ALWAYS suck after a winning season.”

Okay. So what makes a team, or more specifically, what makes the Falcons? Owner, FO, GM, HC, Players… right? So we have a huge percentage of new players (of 2 years or less with the Falcons,) a new head coach, a new GM, and and FO/Owner that wasn’t doing too bad, all things considered, BEFORE we got a complete makeover and, against popular belief, had a playoff season… So where is your argument? Show me where we declined in skill or value anywhere on the Falcons compared to last year?

That said, I respect the fact that we do have a more difficult schedule this year, so let’s take a look at that.

Home Away

Tampa Bay Tampa Bay
New Orleans New Orleans
Carolina Carolina
Philadelphia Dallas
Washington Giants
Buffalo New England
Miami NY Jets
Chicago San Francisco

Tampa Bay: We beat them last year and they’re ont he decline. They’ve had of the worst offseaons of their history; I believe it was SI who ranked their offseason productivity in the bottom 3 (oh yeah, guess what, we were in the top 3.)

Chicago:

So that two wins.

Carolina and the Saints: We went 2-2 with them last year, so for the sake of this argument and without writing too much, lets say we do that again.

So thats 4 wins.

Dallas, Washington, Buffalo, Miami, NY Jets, Chicago, San Francisco:
I’d say we’re better than all of these teams, some of them more than others, especially the ones we play during away games. So given those facts, and the fact that we were, I believe, 7-1 at home last season, I think we can will all 7 of these games. But, football being football, **** happens.

New England: Good team. Got Brady back. I’d say we’ll put up a fight but end up losing.

Giants: No doubt a good team, plus they’re at home. They did lose Plaxico, but we’ll count this as a loss.

Philly: as far as im concerned, we should have beat them last year. They lost a little on defense and maybe upgrade on offense… Lets throw out the fact their starting QB and RB are injury prone, and I’ll just count this one as a loss anyway. It’s up the the air IMO.

So, with a couple iffy, and knowing our (improved) explosive offense, I’ll call it at 10-6 being conservative (It was 11-5 if you count above). ****, I could say 9-7 and you’d still be wrong.

SeminoleWarrior

July 21st, 2009
2:11 pm

Breaking right Posse. I will pick up later.

CBrass, great lead on an outstanding series of offensive chats today. UnCa Bob, she made you proud!!

Laters all…ONE NATION!! FALCON NATION!!

Unca' Bob

July 21st, 2009
2:14 pm

Seminole Warrior,

She has. And should feel very proud of herself.

Unca' Bob

July 21st, 2009
2:15 pm

Juice,

Who is AP?

Juice

July 21st, 2009
2:17 pm

Oh yea, sorry I saw that before I saw the troll and forgot. It’s Adrian Peterson, the RB for the Vikings.

Unca' Bob

July 21st, 2009
2:22 pm

Juice,

Thank you.

D3

July 21st, 2009
2:38 pm

Blog Dragon Alert. He’s gotta be full after gobbling up my post 5 times in a row.

D3

July 21st, 2009
2:38 pm

Anything getting through?

D3

July 21st, 2009
2:39 pm

Newberry – Haven’t been able to confirm from a credible source(NFL.com, ESPN NFL) that Jeremy Newberry has in fact retired, even though it was mentioned earlier. Wouldn’t be a dramatic hit, but he sure would/will be a nice backup to have with Baker’s injury history.

D3

July 21st, 2009
2:41 pm

jason – while I agree that USC is one of the premiere programs in college football, they play in one of the weakest conferences in the nation and STILL manage to choke once a year. That loss to Oregon State last year was classic. Add to the fact that Pete Carroll a HUGE @– and its easy for me to hate USC. That whole BS rose bowl tie-in they have with the Big 10 is one of the biggest travesties of college football and is one reason, frankly, that I’ve begun to like the NFL more. Never thought I’d say that, but the BCS is such garbage(I have another word in mind, but the blog monster would eat it).

WR – Completely agree with you. Never fails that they will lose to an unbelievably inferior opponent every single year. Classic. They’re ranked in the top 5 every single year, regardless of who they have back, along with Florida, Ohio St, Oklahoma, and Texas. Ask Auburn in 2004 if it doesn’t matter where you start.

jason

July 21st, 2009
3:05 pm

Like I said D3, They are the 33 NFL team. USC pays their players like a NFL team. How can you lose your whole Defense and start a new QB annd still be a #3 team. How can your 6 string TB be a 5 Star Blue Chipper. How can you grab Arkansas’ 2 best offensive players? How does Reggie Bush and OJ Mato look now? I know it’s a ATL/NFL blog, But man I hate USC. They and teams like them have ruined College Football. The only College Football I watch is UGA.

CBrass

July 21st, 2009
3:27 pm

D3/jason,

Going to have to agree with you both on USC. It seems has if the whole Reggie Bush thing is just going to get swept under the rug.

jason

July 21st, 2009
3:38 pm

CBrass, It is, and it’s because it is USC. The interest in college ball outside of my DAWGS is NCAA is the pipeline to the NFL.

CBrass

July 21st, 2009
3:40 pm

jason,

Look like the Dawgs got another commitment. Nickell Robey out of Frostproof, FL.

Sarah B

July 21st, 2009
3:44 pm

Unca’ Bob sorry but you can buy it. It’s called Georges and as far as I know you can only get in Eastern N. Carolina. Everytime I go or know someone going I always tote back several bottles. It’s Vinager, Red Peppers & Apples. Georges on Pork, Chicken, Chic Wings… It’s all good.

Unca' Bob

July 21st, 2009
4:00 pm

Sarah B,

This one contains no apples. It’s vinegar, Red Pepper Flake, Black Pepper, Brown Sugar, and or Molasses

Sarah B

July 21st, 2009
4:06 pm

Oh right, Georges uses the apples for the sweetner. Check your local Piggly Wiggly they might have it in parts of SC. It is excellent.

Sarah B

July 21st, 2009
4:09 pm

I was covered up at work today and just now got caught up on the reading. Good stuff today. CBrass is our ROY. And sorry if I hurt anyone’s feelings but I skipped a lot of the SEC/ACC stuff. Did get a good laugh out of ‘USC’ is the 33rd NFL team, it is so true.

jason

July 21st, 2009
4:12 pm

CBrass, I have to try and get back on topic. I have a pecking order for my GA teams. It goes as follows: 1) UGA 2)Syrupmakers 3)Falcons 4)Braves 5)Hawks. The top 3 are interchangable, thanks to FRI,SAT,SUN. UGA is my love though and I can talk about them all day. But back to ATL. It was asked earlier about possible Pro Bowl players. I will have to go with Gonzo, Ryan, and either White or Turner on offense. Now, our Defense is young , but I will give you 2 names to watch out for. MLB Lofton, and DT Babs. I left Abe off, because I don’t think he can come close to duplicating last year’s career year.

Unca' Bob

July 21st, 2009
4:13 pm

Sarah B,

I got my recipe from the president of the South Carolina B-B-Q Association. I first obtained it to post for reno911. He’s out West.

jason

July 21st, 2009
4:14 pm

Sarah B, They have a Piggly Wiggly still opened in the SEC. Man, I have been away to long. Takes me back to Big Star and Harveys. Sorry about that, we kind of got carried away on College Football for a minute. We are now back to our regular Atlanta Falcon Blogging.

Juice

July 21st, 2009
4:14 pm

OK cya for today. Thanks to everyone for the compliments/appreciation/evaluations.

Sarah B

July 21st, 2009
4:34 pm

Jason for sure in NC and maybe in SC. I don’t really get of any exits in SC much on my way to NC. Maybe a few in the sticks here.

CBrass

July 21st, 2009
4:36 pm

Things did kinda get off topic. Thanks for reeling us back in Sarah!!

JJ

July 21st, 2009
4:48 pm

You cagers are jammin, I miss 2 days and you add 3.5 pages!

D3, I’m good anytime, but the more time I have to research the better.
Researching now this whole “bye week” alternatives that you have to have on draft day.

CBrass, coming on strong, this will be my first yr in FF too which only makes it sweeter when you can kick someones booty when their “bent over”.(that’s WR team, weird but not as weird as butt nuggets)! lol

Uncle’ Bob, I was only playing on sun, hope were cool!

Nookah

July 21st, 2009
4:57 pm

Juice, damn!!! You are sure flowing my brother. Welcome to The Cage.

Seminole, think I should give him a “Marley Moment” to welcome him?

I’ll go ahead and give him the first verse of this. Juice I dedicate this to you my brother:

So Much Things to Say:

They got so much things to say right now; They got so much things to say.
They got so much things to say right now; They got so much things to say.

Eh! But I’ll never forget no way: they crucified Je-sus Christ;
I’ll never forget no way: they sold Marcus Garvey for rice.
Oo-ooh! I’ll never forget no way: they turned their back on Paul Bogle.
Hey-ey! So don’t you forget (no way) your youth, who you are and where you stand in the struggle.

Go Falcons!!!!

Nuff respect everytime!!!

Sarah B

July 21st, 2009
5:00 pm

No problem, I don’t mind off topic just skipped it I just don’t have a favorite SEC team because I grew rooting for Big 10 schools MSU and OSU because I’m the only one in my family not born in Ohio. So I just skipped most of it. Of course I’m begining to become a UGA fan just due to the fact that EVERYONE at work is a DAWG Fan. I follow them to see how the mood will be on Monday. I have no choice :)

Sarah B

July 21st, 2009
5:02 pm

JJ you try not to have 2 RB’, WR’s etc out on the same bye week.

Sarah B

July 21st, 2009
5:11 pm

Outta here, check in later.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
5:11 pm

I’m back. Everyone else is heading home and I’m just getting started.

Again, CBrass brought it today leading an impressive forum. Then we moved to the college front. My ACC brother WR and my US 84 sibling Jason provided comfort to a breaking FSU heart. As I said, the “Nole Nation, like the Falcon Nation, will NEVER surrender.

So where are we heading this afternoon/evening? The Newberry story is not confirmed as D3 indicated. We are cool; we have McClure, Romberg, and Wilkerson in place.

What next?

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
5:13 pm

The Right Reverend Juice definately deserves a “Nesta” moment Nookah. Man did he bring it.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
5:16 pm

D3 raised a great point; one that I am nervous about. After Sam Baker, the depth at LT is really weak. I definately think that is a key fill need.

JJ

July 21st, 2009
5:19 pm

SW: I have a topic that we talked (or complained) a little bit last yr. I love turner and norwood, but it seams at times they would not hit the hole, they would run to the line and wait for an opening. I remember williams and riggs who would blast straight ahead. Turner also seams to fall down if hes about to get tackled. Dont get me wrong, would not trade them (except AD) but is this a trend of RB waiting for the lanes to open up and the older guys would just freight-train?

JJ

July 21st, 2009
5:21 pm

I meant Norwood would fall down by a shoestring, not the beast turner.

JJ

July 21st, 2009
5:23 pm

I love how moreno in athens would blast through any line!

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
5:34 pm

JJ…great point. I think it is a trend among the new breed of backs. Most college offenses do not put a high premium on hitting the hole. And with a lot of zone blocking schemes in college, most backs wait and shoot the gaps.

Turner, I noticed, seemed to dip more later in the game. I think he does it as a protective measure, seeking not to take the unnecessary hit. As far as ‘TipToe Flash” Norwood, there is no hitting the hole straight ahead in his game.

JJ

July 21st, 2009
5:38 pm

SW, I loved watching Riggs and Williams hitting the line of scrimmage. Reminds me of that RB the cowboys had during staughback yrs!

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
5:41 pm

Robert Newhouse….what a flashback JJ. Now, that was a back.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
5:43 pm

FFL Tip…Moreno is going to be a beast this year.

JJ

July 21st, 2009
5:45 pm

Thats his name…good memory SW…remember the huge 3″ thick white neck brace he wore…

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
5:47 pm

They don’t come like that anymore that’s for sure, JJ.

Barry

July 21st, 2009
5:48 pm

Hey Y’all:

I hear you guys talking about who is going to be playing where and the teams we will be playing. But none of that concerns me. I am confident the “COACHES” will act like you guys and will put the best team on the field, when the season starts ,in all areas. That includes offense, defense, and special teams. The thing that I am concermned about is teamwork, coodination, aggressiveness, nastiness in doing all the things they need to do on the field. That is what the coaches will be looking for. I do not believe they will be looking ofr players living off their laurels from last year. Everyone, as last year, will be competing for their jobs and looking for the opportunity to be part of a team that works like “fine tuned machine”. That is the goal this season: MAKING OUR PLAYERS WORK AS A COORDINATED, OILED MACHINE, FINED TUNED, EMOTIONAL, POWERED ENGINED “TEAM”. When we see this in action, as we did last year, that is when we will know that we are ready and the “TEAM” is in “ONE HEARTBEAT!!”.

When we see the “CONSISTANTLY, COORDINATED CRUNCHING” of the opposition falling to the ground with every block and our runnning backs powering for 20 and 30 yards; when we see our quarterback and receivers “SUBLIMALLY IN TUNED” to what the other is thinking on passing routes and receivers catchng the ball and runnning after the catch for touchdowns; when our defense is pounding the hell out of the opposition, “IN SINC” with the snap of the ball, stopping runs, creating fumbles, and getting interceptions like a “WELL OILED MACHINE” and doing it together as a “TEAM”. Our special teams, chewing up yardage on kickoff and punt returns, knocking the hell out of the opposition. And of course, THE FANS. “THE FANS” screaming and cheering their ass off on every play screaming “ONE HEARTBEAT!!!”, “ONE HEARTBEAT, BABY!!!”. When all of this clicks together as “ONE”, then we know, as last year, that the league is in trouble and we are down with this in “ONE HEARTBEAT!!”. That is what I will be looking for in the Falcons practice, preseason, and the season: FUN, EXCITING, COORDINATED, AGGRESSIVE, NASTY FOOTBALL. We have the team “NOW” that is more than able to continue the “PROCESS” of “BRINGING THE WOOD” to the NFL. THEY OWE MORE THAN ONE!! LET’S DO IT IN “ONE HEARTBEAT!!!”

BOY, YOU JUST DON’T KNOW HOW READY I AM FOR SOME FALCON FOOTBALL!!!!!

GO FALCONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
This is a SECRET from a FALCON FAN. TELL EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

………………………”ONE HEARTBEAT, BABY!!!!!”…………..

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
5:52 pm

JJ, I remember we hosted the division playoffs in 1980 at the old ACFS. Yes, I’m that old..LOL. Rolland Lawrence, one of the best CBs we have had in my opinion in a Falcon uniform, was coming in quick for a hit on Tony Dorsett. Newhouse laid the brother out with the block and Dorsett scampered for about 20 yards before being caught by Buddy Curry. I bet that Rolland still has headaches from that.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
5:54 pm

I feel ya, Barry.

JJ

July 21st, 2009
5:55 pm

D3 and I have gone back and forth over RB3, he likes brown then snelling and I’m just the opposite; however, I did not see much of brown last yr. So I guess the obvious question, esp. with norwood contract in limbo, if JN goes (hope not), who replaces? D3, I think brown is closer to norwood and snelling is closer to turner. Outstanding insight..I know…lol

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
5:57 pm

JJ, we will continue the flashbacks until someone come along with another topic. Buddy Curry, now there was an inside linebacker. Can you imagine the press that dude would have gotten if ESPN, which was an upstart network then, was what it is now.

JJ

July 21st, 2009
6:00 pm

SW. I was at that game. I loved that open, real grass stadium. My yankee friends ,who now live in our beautifull state-”hey GA is full”, never fail to jab at us falcons having a indoor stadium. And I agree with them!

JJ

July 21st, 2009
6:01 pm

Class act that man!

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
6:02 pm

JJ, I’m with you. Snelling is a keeper in my opinion. He is a very good blocker, has great hands, and is a warrior. Here is a little fact that most may not know because he is such a private guy. The dude is has epilepsy but has not let the ailment slow his role. He just keeps on keeping on.

JJ

July 21st, 2009
6:03 pm

Too tall jones, hollywood henderson and man, the raiders. Some of my fav. players of all time. Golden richards and that db they had, made ronnie lott look like a girl!

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
6:04 pm

Ohhhh I love the Dome don’t get me wrong. But I will be on happy dude when we get back outside. In Georgia, I’m sorry, football is meant to be played outside.

JJ

July 21st, 2009
6:05 pm

Stadler, my man stadler. I’m a south-paw so I loved kenny, side-arm throws!

JJ

July 21st, 2009
6:07 pm

we will see it my friend…open air grass field in atl within 10yrs., maybee split-roof like dallas

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
6:08 pm

JJ, sad part about it is that the NFL did not keep stats on tackles when Curry played.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
6:11 pm

I agree. As I stated yesterday, I hope that AB sends a team to Tampa and uses Raymond James as a model for our future stadium.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
6:14 pm

Welcome to NLF Retro…with your host, SW and JJ. Coming at you live.
It’s all about the history of the game tonight…flashbacks, good times, players, favorite moments.

Chime in via the Cage or give us a call at 1-888-LUV-ATLF

JJ…take it away.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
6:15 pm

Oops..that should be NFL Retro…Hey, this is my first time being a talk show host..

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
6:17 pm

JJ, Stabler was a bad dude. But let’s come home for a minute. How darn good could Steve Bartkowksi have?

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
6:21 pm

Breaking news on NFL Retro…the AJC is confirming that Jeremy Newberry is retiring. JJ, your comments.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
6:26 pm

AS D3 would say, looks like the blog monster is attacking.

JJ

July 21st, 2009
6:32 pm

For those of us growing up in the atl in the 70’s, we rooted for our birds, but we all had other teams we rooted for…we had too! Now most of us were broken down into 2 cat. – dallas / pittsburgh. I was a cowboy fan because of the cheerleaders, coach landry and my 10yr. old best friend in the neighborhood was a die hard pittsburgh fan. He had the last laugh! Then Dallas got that miracle bomb in our house against my birds…cheerleaders be damn–goodbye dallas! Then they humiliated coach landry and I have disliked them ever since.

Now, I turn it over to SW:

JJ

July 21st, 2009
6:34 pm

thanks for the gramm. – staBler, staDler came later!lol

JJ

July 21st, 2009
6:41 pm

Stabler was a bad dude. But let’s come home for a minute. How darn good could Steve Bartkowksi have?

He had billy white shoes, he had a great DL, the prob. was our pass d. was terrible. I also remember out Ol giving up a lot of sacks. So how good could steve b. b? Only as good as ranklin smith was willing to spend on his teammates!!!

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
6:47 pm

Yes, that ’80s team was special.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
6:48 pm

JJ and SW holding it down on NFL Retro live from the Cage!!

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
6:49 pm

Good Point there JJ. How would you rate Rankin Smith as an owner?

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
6:51 pm

Dude had deep pockets. I mean he sold Life of Georgia Insurance policies all over the state. I know my grandparents had a few of them. In your opinion, did he not have a true interest in the team?

Or am I wrong to try and compare him to AB?

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
6:55 pm

Blog monster is messing with me…Hope that JJ is keeping the flow moving.

WR

July 21st, 2009
6:57 pm

Is this the birdcage or the history channel,LOL. JJ, loved the GA is full post, I am for taking down the Georgia on my mind signs, and putting up no vacancy signs. I see you tried to ease a little uppercut in on my team, Watch out now!

Speaking of flashing back, I miss the old school running backs. Everyone talks about wearing down defenses and running backs that get stronger in the fourth quarter but none of the backs today could carry the jock straps of those backs back in the day. Sweetness,Dorsett,Harris,Andrews are some of the best of course, but you could go back to the less heralded backs like Otis Andersen from the Giants. He would pound on opponents, yes pound on opponents, it should be the reverse but that wasn’t the case, he will pound on them so much that by the fourth quarter they just didn’t want to try to tackle the man. Now teams get pounded and fatigued, back in the day it wasn’t fatigue it was the pain and suffering of trying to tackle those backs.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
6:59 pm

WR…welcome to NFL Retro. SW and my main man JJ holding it down while the rest of the Cage handles the evening commute. Chime in bro.

JJ

July 21st, 2009
6:59 pm

Do not think it woulb be fair to compare them..No dought, Rankin wanted to win, beleive he put his heart and sould into it. His pockets were not as deep as AB. I beleive the falcons never having back to vack winning season tore at his soul like a dementors kiss! I’m very glad his faily sold the team to AB, but as a long time suffering fan, I’d like to thank Mr. Rankin Smith for doing his best and bringing our birds home!

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
7:00 pm

JJ, I feel you. I too thank Mr. Smith on his insight and bringing our beloved Birds to the ATL. He is the father of major league sports in ATL.

JJ

July 21st, 2009
7:01 pm

sorry, when i type fast without looking at the keyboard, I really should spell-ck! only on 2nd stripe- i swear…

JJ

July 21st, 2009
7:03 pm

SW- the floor is yours, have to walk my son, yea he’s deformed, no thumbs and 4 legs to boot!

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
7:03 pm

So JJ, would you join me and supporting that we add Mr. Smith’s name to the Ring of Honor? WR?

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
7:04 pm

LOL…Alright..laters bro.

D3

July 21st, 2009
7:07 pm

Good Lord My Fellow ‘Cagers, are we approaching a record number of pages and posts? I’ll have to refer to some of the original ‘Cage members, but upwards of 700 posts and 8 pages only in 4 days? Wow, our Football forum is rocking well and strong. Let’s get to it……

JJ – Thank you for “keeping it real” on Jerious Norwood. He is one of the biggest game-breaking threats that plays in the NFL, but the fantasy that has grown to a degree in here lately suggests that he’s the next Walter Payton (ok, obviously I’m exaggerating a little). Norwood is a special athlete, but that has been many O’ games in his career that I have seen him totally disappear. When he’s on his game, he’s untouchable, but when he’s off; he’s really off. He doesn’t run very tough between the tackles and will easily fall down by a “shoestring” as you said if hit in the backfield. He’s the man, but let’s pause on Norwood being the best thing in football since the forward pass.

Seminole – As a UGA Dawg, let me be as objective as I can. Moreno (& Stafford for that matter) struck a side that just didn’t sit well with me. He blew it up his first year and was dominant and his ability and potential should go unmatched, but his and Stafford’s attitude is what many Dawg fans had an issue with. I’m being hypercritical of course here, but they were seen by many to be “mercenaries” of sort. You never got the feeling that UGA was special to them, in other words an SEC or National Championship never seemed to be the dream that it was to many. They both struck many fans as prima-donnas and gave the impresssion that UGA was simply a stepping stone on their way to “bigger and better” things. Moreno, in particular, struck me as an air of arrogance. All the dancing, grooving, and BS on the sidelines. Showed signs of an undisciplined football team. Last point: when asked what he thought about Georgia Tech, Moreno responded “Oh, its just another game to me, I don’t have a rivalry at all with them.” That always stuck a burr in my saddle. He was wearing a shirt of himself when he got drafted for godsake. Ok, sorry for going off on that tangent, but I felt I needed to say it. Ask jason and all other Dawg fans, but give me David Greene, DJ Shockley, or Musa Smith any day over more talented Stafford and Moreno. Whew, gotta take a xanex after that tirade.

JJ(2) – Good comparison. I want to keep both. Snelling a more inside tough runner and TBrown as a norwood type, but remember that pound-for-pound TBrown was one of the strongest players to EVER come through UGA and still holds weight lifting records.

Newberry Retiring – Someone broke it here in the ‘Cage earlier and it is in fact true. That was a quick stay as a Falcons lasting a whole 3 weeks. Well, the question is this: Do we look to keep and develop one of these undrafted rookies like Jose Valdez, Ryan Stanchek, or Michael Butterworth; or do we scan the waiver wire when camp starts? Newberry was slotted to backup Guard instead of center. There definitely is a little bit of hole there now and, as Seminole mentioned earlier, we are bone thin behind Sam Baker. Quinn Ojinnaka doesn’t appear to be the answer because they opted to resign 37 year old Wayne Gandy then use Ojinnaka when Baker got hurt. On one hand it sucks, but Newberry was 33 anyway, so this will be a good opportunity to develop someone younger. If anyone can do that, Coach Boudreau can.

More later……….

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
7:07 pm

JJ is walking the little one, WR is chilling, and I supposed to be doing a forecast. But we are cool in the Falcon Nation. NFL Retro. JJ and I have been flashing back on the good old days.

So Cage, tell me? JJ and I are there. Should the founding father of the Falcons, Mr. Rankin Smith, be honored in the Ring of Honor?

Live in the Cage…this is Falcon style, NFL Retro.

WR

July 21st, 2009
7:07 pm

Caller to NFL retro: Rankin was tight on the pockets when it came to the Falcons, if he had spent just a little more the team could have been sustainably good throughout the 80’s and early 90’s.

WR

July 21st, 2009
7:12 pm

I can see where Rankin’s pockets weren’t as deep as AB but at the same time I don’t think Rankin realized that in professional sports you have to spend money to make money. Just ask the Braves right now, and the hawks before the new ownership group took over.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
7:13 pm

D3, now that was some fire on the UGA pairing of Stafford and Moreno. Whew.

Caller from the ACC: I share that feeling on the pockets. I know Life of Georgia made a lot of cash in my part of the state. Better front office management would have helped too. Do you support ROH induction?

WR

July 21st, 2009
7:14 pm

He did give us the birds though, so that puts him in the ring of honor

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
7:15 pm

Another 15 minutes or so as the Cage family finalizes their evening commutes.

NFL Retro live from the Cage. SW holding it down with my man WR. JJ, my co-host is walking the little one. The boss, D3, popped in to make sure I was at work. LOL.

WR

July 21st, 2009
7:16 pm

Blank is approaching top billing in the Ring, but for now I think Turner has to head of the class, the man wanted a team that won and he got it.

WR

July 21st, 2009
7:17 pm

Seminole, man you are truly a fool, I can’t stop laughing on the D3 comment.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
7:17 pm

The carosel of coaches did not help us either under the Smith Regime. personally, the best two coaches under that regime were Leeman Bennett and Dan Reeves. Notice I said COACHES!! Reeves was not a good “GM.”

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
7:18 pm

WR, I got to keep the boss happy!! After all, this is his and DO-Led’s gig. I’m just a player in the squirrel nest. LOL.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
7:24 pm

NFL Retro…holding it down.

JJ, WR, and I have been reflecting on our beloved Birds and a few other players/teams. Tell me Cage, what would it mean to you to be called a Super Bowl Champion?

NFL Retro…SW holding down with WR and JJ.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
7:27 pm

Super Bowl Champion aspirations? Rankin Smith in the Ring of Honor? A new dome or an outdoor stadium. Its your world, Cage.

1-888-LUV-ATLF (Love ATLanta Falcons)

WR

July 21st, 2009
7:29 pm

It would mean that we finally get to parade wildly and drunkedly down peachtree, this city would go nuts if the birds pull off a superbowl victory. The high would carry over for months, we support the Braves, we support the Hawks, but this is a football state, no matter what the birds have been through we have continued our support, yes often at a distance, but we often kept at least one eye on the birds hoping for a miracle. Now back to you SW

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
7:32 pm

Agreed WR. I can easily see 200 to 250K on Peachtree.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
7:33 pm

And imagine how a title would electrify the base. It could help across the board. Winning is contagious.

WR

July 21st, 2009
7:34 pm

Tell us how ya feel Atlanta, show us some team spirit, some pride, do you love your birds, well let us know how you really feel, hit us up at 1-888-LUV-ATLF, hit us now, hit us often, just hit us. (all calls are 5 dollars for the first minute, and 99 cent for each additional minute, all proceeds will go to the Eugene Robinson sexual addiction fund, because a superbowl is a terrible thing to waste)

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
7:38 pm

NFL Retro…holding it down here in the Cage while we await the family’s safe arrival at their respective destinations. SW, WR, and JJ who is still walking the dog. LOL.

Hope that the Cage family all had a good day. If you were not here early today, CBrass brought the house down with the lead on a very good discussion on the Bird’s offense. She was on it today; She is my choice in early voting for Cage Rookie of the Year.

The boss stopped by a little while ago, spreading love and opening up on the DAWG pair of Moreno and Stafford. I tell ya. Keep them away from D3 okay. They may need Secret Service protection…LOL.

WR, I see you, like JJ and I, favor Rankin Smith’s ROH induction. What about the stadium? New Dome or outdoors?

NFL Retro with you till the top of the hour…

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
7:41 pm

WR, what was up with Gene? A real player, football and otherwise, would not have been caught? No ROH for Robinson that is for sure.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
7:45 pm

NFL Retro…

SW and WR holding it down. Breaking news. C Jeremy Newberry is retiring. The reports surfaced earlier today and the boss stopped into the studios a few moments back to confirm. Not a major issue at the center position. We, the Falcon Nation, wish Jeremy the best in his retirement.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
7:50 pm

About ten minutes or so left for NFL Retro. The Cage family should be in shortly; SW, WR, JJ, and the puppy holding it down from the Cage studios.

Tell Cage…what was that special Falcons moment? For me, it was seeing my hometown man William Andrews make to the big time in his home state.

The commute is winding down and I am sure the fire will heat up here late when the boss, Sarah, Jason, JJ, the haters, and others settle in after the long day.

1-888-LUV-ATLF

WR

July 21st, 2009
7:51 pm

Yeah, haven’t quite figured that one out yet, why was he paying for it in the first place, this is a pro football player, you just walk in the room and take somebody’s woman, he should have been getting advice for Pacman Jones. Had to be the Jinx, Falcons win a superbowl never, let me throw on a thong and see if I can put an end to all of this madness, well apparently it worked, who would have thunk it.

Feel free to weigh in callers, did it make you mad or sad, is he a real player, does a real player get caught, where the players at out there. What was going on with his wife who was awaiting his arrival in the hotel room, was she holding out, did they have an argument and little eugene didn’t get taken care of, or is he an undercover bad boy, tell us what you think Atlanta, we only have a litte time left, ladies we want your opinions to, what was up with supposed football player or otherwise.

JJ

July 21st, 2009
7:51 pm

-NFL LIVE ALERT-

STAY TUNED TO SW RETRO – WILL BE BACK SHORTLY –

Just saw Cris Carter (hof receiver from minnesota who is one of the most respected analysis) say:

The Atlanta falcons have the most explosive and feared offensive in the nfl!!!

back to you SW/WR:

ps- the moon has landed with my little kid! only took 20 min, but he saw a qute little sarah b chow walking bye- delayed landing!!!

JJ

July 21st, 2009
8:01 pm

really need to proof read, it was a cute lab, not a chow that delayed and confused my little man from landing…but hey, he has good taste!

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
8:01 pm

Well, time to close out this first edition of NFL Retro.

Thanks to my partners JJ and WR. Special stuido guest: JJ’s puppy. Props to the boss, D3, for allowing us air time.

We had fun reflecting on old school like Newhouse, Curry, Andrews, Stabler, and Bartkowski. We paid respect to the founding father, Rankin Smith.

Looking ahead with dreams of our Super Bowl Parade and the new Bird house, 72,000+ seats of pure electricity in the ATL.

Keep it real, keep it cool, and remember, we are the FALCON NATION. For JJ, WR, the Boss, and the puppy, this is your Warrior. See ya soon!!

JJ

July 21st, 2009
8:03 pm

tres bien my fellow brothers!!!

JJ

July 21st, 2009
8:05 pm

the puppy (ROCKY-aka 10lb. turner) would like it to be known he’s 10 which x7 is older then coach k or uncle’bob- nothin but love!!!

WR

July 21st, 2009
8:07 pm

Between 7 and 8 seems like a good time for NFL retro, great broadcast today gotta bring it back if its okay with the boss and our fans, although little fan support, but we can turn it around with some topics to stimulate the mind, and of course the dog in you or cat, had to throw that in for our special guest.

WR

July 21st, 2009
8:09 pm

The broadcast is over JJ, take rocky back outside for a treat, he doesn’t even have to ask for and definitely doesn’t have to pay, I gotta let it go, why Eugene, why do you know how long we have suffered.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
8:11 pm

WR..

We will see what the boss says when he comes back in. Hopefully Moreno and Stafford are still not on his mind. LOL.

I’m cool…got to have the Player in the house though JJ. The man is smoother than Gene Robinson was…at no extra cost either…LOL.

WR

July 21st, 2009
8:16 pm

Very memorable day in the cage, CBrass lit the fire, and so many added a log or two. NFL retro was introduced and I’m sure it will return, the boss got a little ticked off today for the first time, but all was well once again in the cage. Who’s going to open up a topic to take us through the night, the bird cage is alive and well, and its starting to fire on all cylinders.

Unca’Bob, fire away when ready with that recipe, I think you started to and Sarah added a few things, so between the two of you I figure I should have a really nice recipe for this up coming season.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
8:27 pm

In between forecast discussions here. I had fun flashing back with my brothers WR and JJ.

A question/topic to get us rolling now.

Is Cris Carter correct? Do the Falcons have the NFL’smost feared offense?

JJ

July 21st, 2009
8:30 pm

Wr, saw your burger request and saw our lady SB (hey, were all going to abbrev.) reply. I cook! It’s my hobby, not a proff. SB has it right but it doesnt have to be the expensive brand.

Kick ass burgers everytime:

1- worstershire (in qt. baggie, 30 min.)

2- mckormicks steak seasoning – both sides

the key my friend, remove from heat (grill/pan) 3-4 min before done, put on clean plate, wrap, and they will finish cooking on their own and by letting them sit for 5-10 min,,,you keep it moist! IMHO

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
8:33 pm

An very interesting question. First, give props to the owner, AB, for finally getting a football man in place. Nothing against Rich McKay, but TD is something special. Next, a blue collar man who wants to do nothing but bring it each time we line up, Mike Smith.

The offense is special. First, we have an offensive wizard calling the shots in Mad Mike. Second, we are back to what the Falcons do best when they have been successful, RUNNING THE ROCK!! Third, we have a leader in the huddle. Though young, this man has impressed veterans, both on the field around the league, and in the coaching ranks with his focus, drive, and will over such a short time. Add in a veteran staff that is focused on mentoring these young men personnally AND professionally. I think that we may not be the most explosive..but we are going to be pretty darn good in our own right.

JJ

July 21st, 2009
8:35 pm

SW: on that line, who has more offensive weapons? Thats what CC was talking about. Now that we have T.G., he mentioned ryan, white, jenkins and i think harry. Caught the tail end of it because rocky was so enamored with sarah b, but he said something about we have 5 “stars” on Offense. I’ll check the web, see if i cant find the show.

But who has the offensive powerhouse that can match-up? NE – name 5 then, I cant?

JJ

July 21st, 2009
8:41 pm

TIVO – ALERT – TOP 5 REALITY SHOWS

DEADLIEST CATCH ON DISCOVERY TUES. 9PM

NO WAY MY ASS WOULD GO IN THE BEARING SEA!!!

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
8:43 pm

JJ, I can only come up with one team that has that type of firepower potential. Unfortunately, they share the same division as we do.

The New Orleans Saints.

Drew Brees…an assassin. Biggest mistake that Dan Reeves made in his famous ‘01 trade was underestimating DB.

Pierre Thomas and Reggie Bush: potentially lethal running attack.

Marques Colston, Lance Moore, Robert Meachem, and Devery Henderson. Colston is a star in the making; Moore can play too.

Jeremy Shockey: If he would shut the hell up and listen to Coach Payton, he could cruise to greatness in this offense. Big Dummy!!

Their offensive line: Brees has been sacked 29 times in TWO years. NUFF said.

That is profilic in my humble opinion. But we are closing the gap!!

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
8:44 pm

And tell Rocky aka The Player, now that he is a prime time analyst, he can’t just start playing all the women in the hood. We are a family show. LOL…

Unca' Bob

July 21st, 2009
8:49 pm

SW,

ROF Smith’s. Is this a trick Question??

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
8:52 pm

What do you mean UnCa B?

JJ

July 21st, 2009
8:53 pm

Welcome Unca’Bob: where you’ve ben? Hoped to hear from you on the retro show 7-8pm!

JJ

July 21st, 2009
8:58 pm

SW, So would you say N.O. offense is more dangerous, equal, or less dangerous than the offense we have now with TG? No way shockley can compare to a true professional like tony, thats the whole thing, shockley is immature and NOT PROFESSIONAL about his job or his career, kinda sad.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
8:59 pm

Unca B, I’m assuming that you are referring to the Rankin Smith ROH question that was brought up on the inagural edition of NFL Retro.

JJ, WR, and I asked if members of the Cage thought it would be a good idea to induct the founding father of the Falcons, Rankin Smith, into the Ring of Honor?

Hopefully I cleared things up.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
9:01 pm

JJ, they are lethal. And I would be a bigger fool than Gene Robinson to compare TG to Shockey. That is like the choice between Filet Mignon and a vienna sausage.

But the Saints are potentially lethal on the “O”. I call the race to close my brother. Peyton, like Mad Mike, is a bad dude calling plays.

JJ

July 21st, 2009
9:04 pm

SW- no questions, no debate, the man deserved to go into fal. hof. So he was tight with his money, his family lived off of it. He brought them here…enough said in my book and a debt of gratitude from all who’ve lived here…RIP

Unca' Bob

July 21st, 2009
9:05 pm

JJ,

Don’t know what I’m going to do when I reach your dog’s age. It is indeed, hopefully, with in reach. I’m so old, I remember the dead sea prior to it’s being sick.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
9:05 pm

And I made that point. If Shockey would shut the hell up and listen to a mastermind like Sean Payton, he could see his career take off. But like I said, the Vienna Sauage known as J. Shockey is a fool. That is the only kink in the Saint’s armor.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
9:07 pm

JJ, WR and I shared those sentiments while you were walking the Player. Agreed. AB should induct him ASAP. After all, he is the founding father.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
9:09 pm

Come on Unca…we are fellow vets. I know there is still some fire in the cannon. Just let the right one stroll past ya….if she is not there already.

Unca' Bob

July 21st, 2009
9:14 pm

Seminole Warrior,

Yes sir, I am very clear on that. Thank you. I still say, No.

Unca' Bob

July 21st, 2009
9:16 pm

JJ,

Sorry. It’s moving so fast I can’t keep up.

WR

July 21st, 2009
9:23 pm

JJ, I must agree with Seminole on the player, an old woman once told me that “everything that looks good is not good for you, tell the player to be careful what he uses it on when he pulls it out the holster, it could fire back.

Well thats a topic for NFL Retro, got to get back to the cage.

I believe that Fred Taylor will add alot to NE’s attack. With Joe cool, I mean Tom back that offense will be dangerous also. They also picked up Galloway who’s getting old but has quite a bit left in the tank, add to that Wes Walker, and Randy Moss and NE is still up there as far as being dangerous. N.O. is a given and SW covered them already, so next on the list probably would be Arizona with the addition of the Beanie Man. Fitz and Boldin get most of the credit, but Steve Breston was extremely good last year, combine that with Warner having arena league flashbacks and you have yet another potent attack. The thing about the Falcons that put them above the teams in mentioned is the fact that Atlanta can switch into grind it out ball, none of the aforementioned teams have that capability. So basically Atlanta is right up there with the most explosive offenses, but can grind it out with the best running teams in the league, now thats potency.

JJ

July 21st, 2009
9:25 pm

Unca”Bob: come on, you know I have the upmost respect, I’ve apologised and if you ever come down from the mountains, you’ll see. ok, bad joke, I am your humble servent! I knew you wouldn’t let this go my friend, I was KIDDING!!! Love ya ‘cager! until we play ff!!!

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
9:30 pm

The running attack is the difference. But be careful of Pierre Thomas and the newly acquired Chris Wells out west. Now those teams have an enhanced capacity to run…both not with the lethal nature of the Birds.

The passing attacks are a little more mature that ours right now. But we are not behind. I think, under the guidance of Mad Mike and the SERIOUSLY underrated QB guru, Bill Musgrave, MR can become an assasin just like Brees, Brady, and Warner.

Result…I call it a push.., NE, ATL, NO, and AZ.

JJ

July 21st, 2009
9:30 pm

I told ms. sarah b.,i was just playing, i will take it dear uncle…i was playing with you…kinda like go get a motel room.

WR

July 21st, 2009
9:32 pm

We have to save the discussion of our guest for NFL retro, thats how we can separate cage talk from real talk, viagra retro topic, best offenses in the league cage talk.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
9:34 pm

LOL…

WR..we will have to run that by the boss. We only have an hour show.

WR

July 21st, 2009
9:34 pm

Motel rooms Retro talk, retro is on 7 to 8, please feel free to call in.

JJ

July 21st, 2009
9:36 pm

next subject please…

WR

July 21st, 2009
9:36 pm

Knowshon Moreno and Matthew Stafford, Retro talk, pissing off the boss, priceless.

WR

July 21st, 2009
9:38 pm

I think the addition of Wells will greatly enhance the Arizona offense, but the loss of Haley could hurt, on the other hand I think they found out in the playoffs how much more potent they could be if they ran the ball more.

Sarah B

July 21st, 2009
9:38 pm

SW you need me to do your forcast again???

Unca' Bob

July 21st, 2009
9:39 pm

JJ,

You sir, as well as others, have been my mentors from day one. Nothing but Props to one and all.

FYI

July 21st, 2009
9:40 pm

Newberry was considered depth at interior linemen positions, not T.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
9:41 pm

Okay JJ..next topic.

Cage, what is the deal with the delay in your opinions of both Moore and Jerry getting their deals done?

Unca' Bob

July 21st, 2009
9:44 pm

The weather forecast according to George Carlin. The hippy-dippy weatherman. We will have weather all day today, followed by dark.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
9:44 pm

Sarah, darling. Where have you been? Got it all done already my dear. But you did well with your predictions for this morning.

WR

July 21st, 2009
9:45 pm

Unca’ Bob, don’t go there on us, you my friend have been a mentor, look what you did for CBrass in a matter of days, hell the emperor didn’t do that kind of job with Darth Vadar, you turned an apprentice into an expert in less than a week.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
9:46 pm

Easy Unca…a brother has to make a living now.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
9:48 pm

Ohhhhh yes! CBrass aka CBreeze was on it this morning. Came strong and fast in all the details. Watch her; if she accepts the challenge of FFL, which I think she should, she is just the type to get hot and win it all. I’ve seen it before.

WR

July 21st, 2009
9:49 pm

Seminole I think your Jerry and Moore posting got eaten by the blog monster, I didn’t see it.

WR

July 21st, 2009
9:50 pm

got eaten, wow, got ate my bad

JJ

July 21st, 2009
9:50 pm

page 9, i’ve been on here 3 yrs,this is a first…sorry sb!

JJ

July 21st, 2009
9:52 pm

besides NE, which team do we fear the most for out first loss? mia- hell no!

JJ

July 21st, 2009
9:55 pm

i dont see a home loss- do you, if so who worries you the most?

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
9:56 pm

Peria Jerry, here is your offer: 5 years, 12 million, 7.5 million guaranteed, 4 million SB.

William Moore, here is your offer: 5 years, 8 million, 6 million guaranteed, 2.5 million SB.

Sarah B

July 21st, 2009
10:00 pm

SW – both deals need to get done…

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
10:00 pm

Easy one JJ. The Eagles. That D is scary at times with the immense pressure they can bring. Have to wonder who it will be without Dawkins back there though. And I do worry about the Assassin and the NO offense when they come to town.

CBrass

July 21st, 2009
10:02 pm

I leave for a little while and you guys go Retro on me…LOL Can’t really chime in on that subject…before my time therefore I do not have anything to add.

WR,

“all calls are 5 dollars for the first minute, and 99 cent for each additional minute, all proceeds will go to the Eugene Robinson sexual addiction fund, because a superbowl is a terrible thing to waste)” I can’t stop laughing at that…so funny and so true!!!

D3,

I feel the exact same way about Staff and Moreno. I just didn’t see the love for UGA in them.

JJ,

Love the Deadliest Catch one of the best shows on!!!

WR

July 21st, 2009
10:04 pm

Gotta go with the N.O. JJ, I don’t know about it being a first loss but the birds and saints have battled even in there bad years which there were many. Looking at the schedule honestly meeting NO in the Superdome could be the birds 1st or 2nd loss depending on how things go in New England. The birds get Miami, Carolina, and Chicago in the Dome with NE, Dallas in SF on the road in their first six games, they could enter NO in game seven, anywhere from 6-0 to 5-1 if they defend their home turf and beat a very young SF.

Sarah B

July 21st, 2009
10:04 pm

SW – had a loooong day so stayed away from the computer tonight just because I couldn’t until now. Sorry i couldn’t help. I loved that last night.

CBrass

July 21st, 2009
10:05 pm

Wow 9 pages in such a short amount of time. Nice going guys and gals!!!

Unca’ Bob,

I need for you to throw another quiz my way. I still have a ton of learning to do if I’m going to be able to keep up with my sista Sarah B. and the guys!!

JJ

July 21st, 2009
10:07 pm

D3, got a question for you. SW and I were discussing RB and how they hit the line and I mentioned mereno doing that, but you said brown was the strongest back at uga in your viewing. I dont know why I saw more moreno over brown, but i did. (media)

Are you saying brown runs as hard if not harder than “career minded” moreno? I watch ALL UGA games but they have so many RB on tv, i never payed to much attn. to him.

As I told you a few months ago, I look forward to seeing him play! During SW retro hour, we discussed it a little bit. You guys/gals are truly my family!

Sarah B

July 21st, 2009
10:09 pm

No Home losses. Period!

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
10:09 pm

Sarah, my proposals for Jerry and Moore are fair market value. And they represent a 10% increase over draft picks in the same slots last year.

WR

July 21st, 2009
10:11 pm

CBrass, tune in tomorrow when the topic is, should it be free, how should it be priced, does rocky and the rest of his four legged friends have it correct, could sniffing really solve the health problems in society,LOL, just playing, its hard to get off of who would have thunk it, when he did what knowone would have thunk.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
10:12 pm

Speaking of Moreno, JJ, we have not heard from the Boss since he checked up on us in the studio and launched the assault. I wonder if he is okay?

JJ

July 21st, 2009
10:13 pm

Ms. Sarah B. – AMEN- “thou shall not run: – stirg

CBrass

July 21st, 2009
10:14 pm

WR,

Gonna have to go back and read the post so that I see who this rocky character is…LOL

WR

July 21st, 2009
10:16 pm

JJ, Brown is very strong, he’s not the brightest fish in the sea, which is why he left Georgia early, but he is strong. Moreno hit the line like no other dog in some time, did he show loyalty to the dogs no, but did he hit the line like a crazy man yes, so I gotta go Moreno on this one.

WR

July 21st, 2009
10:19 pm

Seminole, I was thinking the same thing, should we put out a suicide watch, he was pretty heated, you would think that a person who could get past the Ray Goff days would be able to get over this rather quickly, I’m worried about the boss, maybe we should have an intervention

JJ

July 21st, 2009
10:19 pm

CBrass,

Rocky is my son, the love of my life! He’s about 10 yrs old and weighs about 15 lbs. He is the biggest falcons fan! And he loves women more than men (which SW named him as player)>

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
10:22 pm

Will the Player be in studio tomorrow, JJ?

jason

July 21st, 2009
10:23 pm

D3, Thomas Brown is more of Warrick Dunn ilk. He is a strong inside runner. That’s why he got hurt at UGA. His heart would run you over, but his size just wouldn’t allow it. Provided healthy, He could step into JN’s shoes and ATL wouldn’t skip a beat, plus he has that toughness that JN doesn’t seem to have (inside running ability). Now, I am in no rush to see JN go, but TB is more than an adequate replacement.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
10:25 pm

Okay, Jason and the Boss are missing. So school me guys. Is this guy Brown really that good? I really do not know.

Sarah, is he superior to our man Snelling?

JJ

July 21st, 2009
10:26 pm

SW, yes but as I told you,he has no thumbs!~)

CBrass

July 21st, 2009
10:26 pm

JJ,

That cleared up alot.

Well I’m out. Really tired. Will catch up with you guys and gals tomorrow.

God Bless.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
10:28 pm

Oops…did not see ya Jason. My bad. What’s up brother?

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
10:28 pm

Rest well CB…you were spectacular today!!

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
10:29 pm

Whooooooooooooa. That is powerful stuff Jason. Comparing him to my man Warrick D?

jason

July 21st, 2009
10:31 pm

D3, got a question for you. SW and I were discussing RB and how they hit the line and I mentioned mereno doing that, but you said brown was the strongest back at uga in your viewing. I dont know why I saw more moreno over brown, but i did. (media)

Are you saying brown runs as hard if not harder than “career minded” moreno? I watch ALL UGA games but they have so many RB on tv, i never payed to much attn. to him.

As I told you a few months ago, I look forward to seeing him play! During SW retro hour, we discussed it a little bit. You guys/gals are truly my family!

JJ, TB was pound for pound the strongest player on the team when he was at UGA. Dude squatted close to 500lbs on his 195 lb frame.

WR, TB stayed all 5 years at UGA. He is no Reggie Ball.

jason

July 21st, 2009
10:32 pm

Seminole Warrior, TB can be a beast if healthy. He takes so much punishment because he is not scared to drop a shoulder to get an extra yard.

jason

July 21st, 2009
10:33 pm

Seminole Warrior, Also, dude can fly. not a 4.2 or anything more like 4.5 or better. Not bad for a TB. He is a return specialist.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
10:36 pm

I’ll be watching him…

WR

July 21st, 2009
10:36 pm

Reggie Ball is going below the belt Jason, I thought we were brothers, Ball played for Georgia and whoever else GT played in his four years, he should never enter a football discussion again. Now comparing Brown to Dunn is fighting words, and I’m not a big time FSU fan.

JJ

July 21st, 2009
10:38 pm

Jason, thank you for replying, I just want to know: Does Brown run as hard if not harder than moreno? I just didnt see enough or remember enough of brown, they always have so many good RB!

jason

July 21st, 2009
10:39 pm

I am going to pick up where D3 left off on the tangent. WR, CJ left Tech as a Junior. What did you think about his career at TEch? What did you think he thought of his time at Tech. Not cracking jokes, being serious.

Every college team that we here in the has rooted for has seen favorite players or players in general leave early and turn pro. With KM and MS, it was different feel. Alot of times when a PLayer leaves, he wishes he would have stayed that one more year. He cherished time while he was there. With those 2, you just didn’t get that feel. I think that had alot to do with what happened to UGA last year. The feel was that those 2 didn’t have the team’s back. They were about themselves and their stats that they were racking up. KM would pull himself out of the game, at very crucial times often. Don’t get me wrong, they were probably 2 of the most talented players to ever call the Hedges home, but they were not in it for UGA, they were in for nothing but themselves. And that is a shame, because UGA and it’s fans should have had a MNC in the time that they spent there.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
10:39 pm

ACC rising up!! Dunn was one special dude. I don’t know TB and I am very eager to see what he can do. But a Warrick Dunn he is not!!

jason

July 21st, 2009
10:40 pm

WR, Look at it this way. You know without a shadow of a doubt just how damn good Calvin Johnson is. He did all he did for Tech with Ball as his QB.

WR

July 21st, 2009
10:41 pm

Jason, I see you want me to pull a D3, but I won’t, I’ll just breath in and breath out, why my faithful brother would you bring up Reggie. We have been all good up until this point and you bring up the travesty know as Reggie Ball. I’m not one to bash even the worse player, but ball was completely horrible, I want you to know that I had cut back on the Stripes, now my friend you have driven me back into its arms, I hope you feel good about yourself.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
10:42 pm

Hello Secret Service…this is SW. I need to put out a APB on Matt Stafford and Knowshon Moreno. These fellows need to stay clear of the states of Georgia and Texas for at least the next 5 years or so. If they are seen, please tell them to return to their homes immediately.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
10:44 pm

Secret Service, you had better add Reggie Ball to that list.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
10:45 pm

Sorry WR…but we did love him in Tallahassee.

jason

July 21st, 2009
10:45 pm

JJ, That’s a tough question. They were different types of runners. KM ran hard, but he was shifty. I don’t think he took but one real shot in 2 years. That from Spikes (MLB/UF) last year. That was ugly, but he was more talented than Brown. Little bigger also. Brown is tough. a tough runner, you could say to tough of a runner for his size.

WR, comparing Brown to Dunn in style. Kind of like a poor man’s Dunn. Their inside running with that toughness and tenacity. You just don’t see guys as small as those 2 not scared to run inside, and I mean run inside alot. Plus they both are real good WRs out of the backfiel and they both will stick their heads in there and pick up the blitz.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
10:45 pm

Mr. Turnover aka Reggie Ball.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
10:46 pm

Like I said Jason, I will definately be watching him.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
10:48 pm

First, the Boss. Now, WR. JJ, stay with me here or else it will be me and the Player hosting tomorrow. LOL.

jason

July 21st, 2009
10:48 pm

Seminole Warrior, again, not saying he is as good as Dunn. Just that they are very similar in style.

JJ, Brown went to UGA when we were loaded with 3,4,5, RBs that could start anywhere. That is a good thing with Brown. He didn’t carry the ball 300 per in college. he still has some tread on the tires.

WR

July 21st, 2009
10:50 pm

It was Calvin’s time, everyone knew it and he left gracefully so no regrets. I do get your take on KM and MS, I thought they should have been more dedicated, KM even seemed hostile, like he was just waiting to get his chance, get his stats, and bolt, so I get you on that.

Now back to Dunn, Dunn is the original warrior, no one preformed in the trenches like Dunn, as I have reminded the cage often I’m a GT fan, but Dunn made me a FSU fan. To see such a small guy handle the big boys, and I will say it again, he handled the big boys, he did it in college as well as the pros and all the while he was the constant professional, I won’t take anything away from TB, but he really has to show me something to be put in Dunn’s category.

jason

July 21st, 2009
10:51 pm

Seminole Warrior, MS and KM can take their collective Arses back to Texas and NJ. That’s why I like UGA getting players from the South East, They may leave early, but they will remain loyal as long as they are there.

jason

July 21st, 2009
10:53 pm

WR, Exactly. Dunn was the reason that I would actually sit and FSU with my brother. TB may never be near as good as Dunn production wise. They are just similar in how they play being so small. I think Dunn is better at shielding his body and not taking the big hits. TB can’t seem to avoid those.

jason

July 21st, 2009
10:56 pm

WR, on CJ. You knew every SAT you watched that he would sale out his body for for a chance to get Tech a win, or at least give them a chance. I think after playing 3 years with Ball he had to go. The only thing that sucked is he landed in DET with more worthless QBs.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
10:58 pm

Sounds like to guys that give/gave their all. Jason, you steered me into giving the benefit of the doubt to BVG. I’m going to keep my eyes on the man with the heart, Mr. Brown.

Let me set the record straight. On behalf of the Seminole nation, I am quite sure we will never see another like Warrick Dunn…period. That drive, that heart, that love of game WILL never again be repeated in a Garnet and Gold, Red and Pewter, or Red and Black uniform.

WR

July 21st, 2009
10:58 pm

Reggie Ball, what more can you say, I honestly can’t think of a worse player in GT annuals, and to think the guy was allowed to start for four years, if I was smoking crack I would know to pull Ball. Okay I’m good, thanks Jason that was some really good looking out, as the saying goes with friends like you I don’t need any………………………………..LOL

Unca' Bob

July 21st, 2009
11:00 pm

Wow! I have never seen a blog more active than this one. Seminole Warrior, A tip of my Falcon’s cap to you. You have done a masterful job of keeping it fresh, as well as active. And, yes Sir, I am indeed a Veteran. I spent 1969 & 1970 in the United States Marine Corps in Chu Lai, South Viet Nam. The I corps area. For those of you that are unfamiliar, it’s the most northern section of then, South Viet Nam. I reckin’ a little Bio can’t hurt. Any Questions?

jason

July 21st, 2009
11:04 pm

WR, I didn’t want to, but you called my man Brown dumb (not the brightest) Were the other QBs at TEch that bad?

Seminole, there will never be another Dunn. For his size he was the best.

WR

July 21st, 2009
11:05 pm

Seminole, agreed, I know we have to get back to our birds but Dunn is truly one of my all time favorites. I wish he could have retired gracefully instead of being cut, you said in a seminole’s uniform, but I wonder at times will you ever see it again. You really have to go back and watch tape to really understand this guy’s heart, determination, and commitment, it was like no other, I like Jason, can truly say he made me watch FSU football, the guy was truly amazing, sounds like some interesting Retro talk is brewing.

jason

July 21st, 2009
11:08 pm

WR, The reason I can’t stand Ball is during his Frosh year he scrambled out of the pocket for like a 10-15 yard gain and ran out of bounds in front of Thurman on the UGA side line. Starts talking alot of $h!t , I mean would not shut up. A couple of plays later he scrambles again and ducks out of bounds in front of Thurman again on the Tech sideline, and Odell just lays his @$$ out like 10 yards out of bounds. Funny thing is I don’t remember one Tech player coming to defend him. That says alot about Ball as a Freshman.

jason

July 21st, 2009
11:10 pm

My meomeries of Dunn at FSU was that swing pass out of the backfield. An unstoppable play.

jason

July 21st, 2009
11:12 pm

I am not talking all my DAWGS up as the greatest. I will admit to being a homer. That said, I really don’t know what TB will do. First, he has to stay healthy, and second, he has to make the most of his oppurtunity. That’s what Dunn did and then some every step along the way to the NFL.

WR

July 21st, 2009
11:12 pm

Man Unca’Bob, I think you were hanging out with my pop, although he was over there a bit earlier, his tells from being based in germany are classic, you probably could understand this better than others, but he once told me how he took out his boot laces tied them around his arm and tied it to some pipes up under his service vehicle, so that he would look like he was working because he had hung out all night the night before.

jason

July 21st, 2009
11:14 pm

WR, We have all done something similar to that. Just prayed like heck that no NCO or OIC came anywhere near us.

jason

July 21st, 2009
11:16 pm

All right Guys. I got my Falcon fix, and heck , got my DAWG fix for the night. I am going to sit back popa top and play some NCAA2010. I will check back in before I go to bed. Later… Great bloggage today. Today’s player of the game is brought to you by Red Stripe, helping whit guys learn to dance for over 50 years.

CBras is the blogger of the day. Congragulate her when she comes back on. Later guys.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
11:20 pm

Stop the Press!! I’m going mushy here and I really mean it!!

UnCa, this changes everything. I’m proud of my own serivce and that of my family, to include the little Warrior serving today. But I have read of the hellish battles that took place in the area in which you served. You sir, are a TRUE warrior. I respected you from day one when we met here. Now, it is at a seriously new level.

I don’t know if you fought in that hell. I’m sure you lost some good friends there. My heart and love to them and their memories.

Semper Fi, UnCa. That’s always faithful to the rest of the Cage. You, given that hellish place on this earth, are a true patriot.

At FSU, we honor the only UNCONQUERED and UNDEFEATED group of warrior among all the nations. But nothing we can do compares to the honor that I feel to be able to call you my friend and a Marine.

Semper Fi my brother….Semper Fi.

Seminole Warrior

July 21st, 2009
11:21 pm

WR, remind me to make sure we give this man honors tomorrow during RETRO. I’m totally serious.

Sarah B

July 21st, 2009
11:27 pm

WR

July 21st, 2009
11:33 pm

Trust me when I say I understand Seminole, between my Father and his friends I believe thats the primary reason I never entered the military, but I have always respected the people who choose to protect our country. Sadly to say that even after all these years, my father has the occasional flashback dream, what he saw and what he went through wouldn’t allow him to even consider allowing myself and my siblings to enter the military. I believe thats why I am so honored by our soldiers today, thats a commitment beyond all commitments, to commit to defend people you have never met and probably will never meet is the strongest of commitments. So tomorrow Unca’Bob will have his dedication admired during the Retro hour.

WR

July 21st, 2009
11:34 pm

Sarah, are you awake, his dog, feel free to explain because that one flew over my head.

D3

July 22nd, 2009
12:02 am

Great Tuesday P.M. ‘Cagers! Jeez, its almost a job to catch up these days if you stay away too long. Just started the 8th page a little earlier, stay away for a minute and……BAM, 9th page. To say the Bird-Cage is alive and well would be an understatement. Where to begin……

Seminole, JJ, & WR – NFL Retro, what a nice little addition to the ‘Cage. I’ll have to admit that I’m a touch younger to know about a lot of the earlier teams, but its nice to learn about the “real” days. If you guys have Tivo or DVR and you like the older stuff, you have GOT to record “America’s Game” on NFL Network. It profiles all the Super Bowl winning teams and is narrated by famous actors like Alec Baldwin, Laurence Fishburne, Martin Sheen, and Ed Harris. A Must Watch!

Newberry Retiring – This certainly opens a little bit of a hole on our masterful depth. From what I could comprehend, Newberry was looking to serve as a versatile backup, but mainly at guard since we have Romberg and Wilkerson at center. The question is whether we will look on the waiver wires during training camp, or look to develop one of the young undrafted rookie free agents we signed, Ryan Stanchek out of West VA or Jose Valdez out of Arkansas. Not including our long snapper, we carried 9 OL on the active roster: 3 C’s(McClure, Stepanovich, Wilkerson), 2 G
s(Dahl, Blaylock), and 4 T’s(Baker, Clabo, Ojinnaka, Weiner). So this year might look something like this: 4 T’s(Baker, Clabo, Svitek, Reynolds), 3 C’s(McClure, Romberg, Wilkerson), and 2 G’s(Dahl, Blaylock) assuming that Romberg, Wilkerson, or Ojinnaka being able to play guard in a pinch. What do you guys think?

Rich McKay’s Draft History – someone brought it up, see what you think:
2004
Deangelo Hall, Michael Jenkins, Matt Schaub, Demorrio Williams, Chad Lavalais, Etric Pruitt, Quincy Wilson

2005
Roddy White, Jonathan Babineaux, Jordan Beck, Chauncey Davis, Michael Boley, Frank Omiyale, Deandra Cobb, Darrell Shropshire

2006
Trade for John Abraham, Jimmy Williams, Jerious Norwood, Quinn Ojinnaka, Adam Jennings, DJ Shockley

2007
Jamaal Anderson, Justin Blaylock, Chris Houston, Laurent Robinson, Stephen Nicholas, Matrez Milner, Trey Lewis, Doug Datish, Daren Stone, Jason Snelling

30 Players Drafted
-Players still with team: 13, 43%
-Current/Projected Starters: 7, 23%

McKay certainly snagged some steals in there and it looks not quite as bad when you over some of the guys that were drafted later and either have a chance to start or make the team: Stephen Nicholas, Trey Lewis, Jerious Norwood, Chauncey Davis

Overall, McKay drafted at less than 50% rate of all draft picks still with the team. Even though he drafted well in the later rounds, he had some serious issues with 1st rounders: Deangelo Hall, Jimmy Williams, and Jamaal Anderson(jury still out). After review, McKay didn’t do quite as bad many thought, but imagine what TD would have done 30 draft picks? Out of 11 draft picks from last year, 9 made the active roster and 1 on the practice squad. It will be interesting to see who makes the roster again from last year and who makes it from this year.

Your thoughts on GM McKay’s overall draft classes?

Boxcarar

July 22nd, 2009
12:17 am

I am going to have to go back and catch up, but “9 PAGES” When I retired from reading, there were already an admirable 6. If the team works half as hard as the Cagers, we will be in great shape for years to come. It would be nice for the brain trust to know about the serious support that exists within these posts.

Sarah B

July 22nd, 2009
12:20 am

Rocky is JJ’s dog

D3

July 22nd, 2009
12:30 am

New Stadium – I’m very torn on this issue. I used to be totally against having a Dome in the South and missing out on beautiful fall sundays to watch the game. But after becoming a season ticket holder and seeing the renovations(particularly the color) than it has become an enjoyable experience heading into the Dome on a frigid or skin-melting hot day in GA. With the advent of our new direction, that place can really get rockin’ and make it a hostile place for opposing teams.

A new open-air stadium would be an amazing addition to Atlanta, and if they put it at the old Doraville plant than that would be totally awesome for JJ, Sarah, and me. But what would happen to the Dome? The Dome brings in so much business to Downtown and Atlanta in general. I assume the Dome would be torn down, but it could really be a great thing to keep open to keep the SEC Championship, Final Four, International Soccer Matches, etc. flowing to the ATL. It would be great to have the new stadium replace the Dome if possible, but that would require at least 2 years, and the Falcons would have to play at Tech or UGA and I don’t see that happening.

Your thoughts?

JJ

July 22nd, 2009
12:33 am

Sarah B. is correct! Queen of the cage and CBrass – princess!

WR

July 22nd, 2009
12:41 am

D3, you are still kicking, some of us were beginning to wonder, glad to have you back and as usual with a great analysis.

After reading over your post I see where there are at least 14 players who will start or play a major role for the Falcons or other teams in the NFL. Hall was a good pick, if it wasn’t for his mouth and selfishness he would still be in Atlanta. His skills are only as bad as his professionalism, which both have faded. There are some other really good players on that list but to truly judge McKay’s drafts is to take away Vick, which can’t be done. The birds built there team around one player, they focused the goals of the team around one player, they threw all of their cards in one basket based on one player. Was Mckay a bad GM for Atlanta or did he get caught up in the Vick hype. Hit or miss look at who he drafted and where they are now. TD did a great job last year, and hopefully this year’s class will turn out the same way, but how often does that happen, where just about everyone you select make the team and become big time contributors. In McKay’s defense, somewhere along the lines the coaches stopped building a team, as long as Vick was healthy they figured the team had a chance and so did the players. Thats why I like Smitty so much, he has forced the players to go back to the thinking of accountability, are you doing your job, are you doing your job to the best of your ability. There’s no more standing around waiting for someone to make a play, its now about what plays have you made, what can you do for the team. Kind of like the old saying by JFK, ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country. This team is recapturing what it means to be a team, the front office is focused on giving them the weapons to master that skill, so in essence was Mckay a bad GM because of the players he selected, or is TD a good GM because of the head coach and coaches he selected. Good and consistent teams continue to build no matter the players on the team, no England has the Great Tom Brady, but they continue to build, the Colts have the great Manning, but they continue to build, the Falcons had Vick and somewhere along the lines they stopped building, and it wasn’t all on McKay.

JJ

July 22nd, 2009
12:50 am

WR: war eagles my friend!

WR

July 22nd, 2009
12:55 am

Ah, Sarah, did you just figure that out, you got to tune in to NFL Retro, we can get you caught up on all the hot topics and our special in studio guests. Plus I miss you being around, obviously so does JJ can’t speak for his dog though. Its been another great day in the cage, I’m sure things will continue on but sleeps been calling for awhile now, so in the words of my fellow brothers, we’re one nation Falcon nation, Nuff respect everytime.

SeminoleWarrior

July 22nd, 2009
12:56 am

Settled here after the night beat. Glad to see that my partner D3 is on the scene. JJ still handing strong.

WR

July 22nd, 2009
12:57 am

JJ, did you just not hear me say I got to catch some zzzz, ain’t nobody worried about no War Eagles, you know whats in store for them, so go ahead and grab your ankles, you know whats coming.

SeminoleWarrior

July 22nd, 2009
1:14 am

WR.. I will bring it tomorrow as it pertains to UnCa Bob. The brother is most worthy!! History owes him and the guys that fought in that area. The indiscretions of a few cost so much heartache and pain for the masses. And we owe them big time. RETRO will even the odds as best we can..I promise that!!

Now, the game.

D3, currently the state is exploring options on replacing the Dome with another domed facility as part of the proposed next GWCC expansion. The deal is that the state’s proposal do not favor AB and the Falcons when it comes to revenue sharing. The Dome is now the home of Georgia State football and will still attract a lot of other GWCC venues. But I am sure that when the deal is done, AB will move us out.

I love outdoor stadiums and have stated that I would prefer a Raymond James like setup. That stadium is terrific for football. A good friend of mine lives in Indianapolis and he says that I would love the new Lucas Oil facility. It has a retractable roof, meaning we could have the option. I heard that AB is leaning in that direction which would be cool also.

SeminoleWarrior

July 22nd, 2009
1:16 am

I’m going to call it one here as well. Peace to all. See ya on the other side.

Nookah

July 22nd, 2009
1:21 am

Damn!!!! 9 pages? Are you kidding me? D Led where you at bro? Do you see what’s happening in The Cage? Back home in Jamrock we’d call this “Traffic Blockin’!!!! Nuff crowd!!!!

This is absolutely great. Seminole, you the man!! Sorry for singling out the Warrior but WR, JJ, Sarah B, Unca’ Bob, CBrass, CP, D3 and all the others who have kept this cookin’. I lift my hat to you all. This is remarkable. I’m going to add to this though. I saw this on Sporting News, enjoy: Check out the co-author!!

Falcons camp countdown: Will high expectations, defense weigh down Atlanta?
Roy Cummings, Vinnie Iyer and D. Orlando Ledbetter

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Saturday, Jul. 18, 2009 – 11:45 a.m. ET

This is the 25th in a series of team-by-team breakdowns that will run on SportingNews.com before the start of training camp.

Reporting date: July 31
What can we expect from QB Matt Ryan as he enters his second season?
What can we expect from QB Matt Ryan as he enters his second season?

With all due respect to the Arizona Cardinals, the Atlanta Falcons were the real surprise team of the ‘08 season. The Cardinals, after all, had a playoff-proven quarterback, a tried-and-true lead rusher and a pair of Pro Bowl wide receivers. Even their coaches had tasted success before, albeit with another franchise.

The Falcons, on the other hand, had none of those things. They were led by a rookie quarterback, a rookie head coach and a rookie general manager, yet still made the playoffs, losing to the Cards.

The question now is what will the Falcons do for an encore? They never have put together back-to-back winning seasons, and NFL history is filled with teams that came out of nowhere to shake the world one year only to fall back into a hole the next.

These Falcons appear to be built for the long haul. But if they can’t make a swift transition on the defensive side of the ball, they could lose the momentum they gained last year and go from being the league’s biggest surprise to its biggest disappointment.
What’s new

Offense: Coordinator Mike Mularkey is a fan of old-fashioned smash-mouth power football but will throw in some exotic twists. He has a lot of tricks and gadgets inside his playbook.

Now that quarterback Matt Ryan has a feel for the league, he’ll bring a lot of them out in ‘09. Mularkey won’t overdo it, though. He has the power rusher he wants in Michael Turner and still will lean on him. He’ll also use play-action fakes and throw downfield. In addition, the offense added the ultimate intermediate target in future Hall of Fame tight end Tony Gonzalez.

What Ryan has to do this year is develop consistency and carry it through to the end of the season. Chances are he will. This is a kid who’s not afraid to do his homework.

Defense: Brian VanGorder would like to attack more in his second season as the coordinator, but he still doesn’t have a lot of weapons. If he can get the secondary to play better in his 4-3 zone scheme, he’ll get aggressive with his linebackers. If not, he’ll rely on the line to get the bulk of the pressure. Outside of end John Abraham there isn’t much to rely on there.

Over the past two years, the Falcons worked to improve the defense in both free agency and the draft but have come up short. It’s possible that their patience with players such as end Jamaal Anderson will start to pay off. If so, Atlanta could develop into a team to be feared.

Atlanta began rebuilding its linebacking corps last spring when the team drafted Curtis Lofton, moved him into the middle and pushed Keith Brooking to the weak side. Now Brooking has been released and in his place is veteran Mike Peterson, who had his best years while playing middle linebacker for coach Mike Smith and VanGorder when all three were with the Jaguars.

Strongside linebacker Michael Boley is gone, too. The Falcons plan to move young Stephen Nicholas into his spot, but Nicholas will get a run for the job from Coy Wire, who has a little more experience than Nicholas.
View from the other sideline

An opponent breaks down the Falcons

“You have to start with Matt Ryan, who was just lights-out last year. He’s an outstanding player, and he obviously has a great command of the game and great knowledge and awareness of what’s going on around him. They’re real solid there and should be for a while.
Coach Mike Smith talks with new Falcons tight end Tony Gonzalez.
Coach Mike Smith talks with new Falcons tight end Tony Gonzalez.

“They have a very strong running game, too, with Turner, and with (Jerious) Norwood, they’ve got that changeup kind of back there as well. They also have one of the best fullbacks in the league (Ovie Mughelli). You talk about one-on-one blocking and moving people, he’s really good at it.

“On defense, the pass rush needs a little bit of a kick-start. Everybody’s getting on Jamaal Anderson, but he’s still playing pretty well. I’m not ready to sign off on him just yet. If he can get better or if they can add another guy to help out John Abraham, they should be OK there. Chauncey Davis could be that guy, but I see more as a rotational guy. If they get that pass rush going, they should be all right. But they’ve made a lot of changes at linebacker and in the secondary, so you have to see how that’s going to work out.”
Burning question

What can we expect from Matt Ryan in Year 2?

“The biggest part is trying to fine-tune the little things, trying to improve individually, and if we can do that, we can improve collectively. … That’s the kind of stuff we need to clean up now so when we get to training camp, we can work on our timing and have a great understanding of what we’re doing.” — Falcons QB Matt Ryan
Bottom line

Expectations are high again—maybe too high. The defense remains in a rebuilding mode, and the offense still is young at the most crucial spot on the field. The special teams are strong. If the defense can get better and the offense can avoid a precipitous drop in production, the Falcons should stay in the hunt for a division title.

This doesn’t look like a team that’s ready to make a long run in the playoffs, but a second consecutive postseason appearance is possible. It also would be unprecedented, and that would make 2009 another big success.

Go Falcons!!!!

Nuff respect everytime!!!!

CBrass

July 22nd, 2009
8:52 am

Hello all I see you guys kept things rolling like no other last night. I see you guys touched on the Stafford..Moreno subject and lets just say I’ll keep my opinion to myself. As for as Brown goes he’s one of my favorites…if he could have stayed health while he was here just imagine the type of numbers he could have put up.

So what’s on the board for today? I think we added just over 2.5 pages yesterday…AWESOME!!! Let’s keep it going.

jason

July 22nd, 2009
8:56 am

” This doesn’t look like a team that’s ready to make a long run in the playoffs, but a second consecutive postseason appearance is possible. It also would be unprecedented, and that would make 2009 another big success. ”

Someone please explain this to me. A possible run to the playoffs again, but ATL doesn’t look to make a long run into the playoffs. Are they saying we will be one and done again? It won’t be on the offense. We have got to get our Defense going. Improvement from week to week. With the youth on D, I am wottied that ny the time we get to the playoffs, fatigue may be an important factor. Year 2 of the process. I am not being negative, but I think year 3 is when we will really be pushing for the SuperBowl.

jason

July 22nd, 2009
8:58 am

CBrass, Good morning Blog ROY. You were named blogger of the day for yesterday. Keep it going girl…

D3

July 22nd, 2009
9:00 am

Blog Monster on the Loose!

SeminoleWarrior

July 22nd, 2009
9:01 am

Jason, CBrass. What’s happening. Yesterday was a balst for sure.

D3

July 22nd, 2009
9:02 am

Attempt #2

What’s Up Fellow ‘Cagers? Figured we be on to page 10 by now.

Nookah – what’s up my friend? I think that was a pretty fair assessment. I agree with the point that our defense will be young, but to say that we won’t have any playmakers on defense sounds pretty ridiculous. Added: Peria Jerry, William Moore, Chris Owens, Mike Peterson, a healthy Trey Lewis, and Stephen Nicholas.

As far as the offense goes, any sophomore slump should be considered with the addition of Hall of Famer Tony Gonzalez at tight end. While I can see where we couldn’t make a “deep run” in the playoffs, to dismiss it outright is a little premature. I would say we’re close to where the NY Giants were a couple of years ago when they made the run to the Super Bowl.

Seminole – Thanks for the info on the Dome plan. Did you mean that they would blow up the Dome and replace with something else?

SeminoleWarrior

July 22nd, 2009
9:02 am

Blog monster attack already? Must be a Tech or Panthers fan hiding in the midst.

SeminoleWarrior

July 22nd, 2009
9:05 am

Jason, give a little feel my brother. Defensively, we will be in a steep learning curve this season. But like last, I see a lot of bend but don’t break aspects. Like you, I worry about hitting the wall later in the season; that is why depth is so critical.

jason

July 22nd, 2009
9:07 am

D3, Good Morning, Sir. I picked up where you left off on your MS/KM tangent. I had to get that off my chest. I think those 2 were more of the reason that UGA played as such last year. I think iw was that more than the injuries. I got the NCAA 2010 and if Akeem Dent and Freshman Marlon play anywhere near as they do on this game, UGA is going to alot better than anyone thinks. Dent is a SR now, and as far as this game he is living up to the hype he had back when he was a recruit. That’s enough for now, I have got to get to work. I will be off and on all day, work permitted. Later.

SeminoleWarrior

July 22nd, 2009
9:09 am

Forgive the typos. Was up late last night after the gig and the OJ is flowing. Hot water heater decided to meet the angels so the plumber is here early.

Along the lines of the point Jason brought up, I have a point that has me thinking this morn as well.

Jason mentioned the possible “wall” late in the season. I’m going one further. My research shows that Peria Jerry has not had an injury free season in the last three years. Should we be concerned about that as well as the “wall”?

jason

July 22nd, 2009
9:10 am

SeminoleWarrior, True, That’s my only concern is hitting the wall. I believe we will keep making adjustments as the season moves along. We talked about BVG alot a couple of days ago. I think it may be year 3 before the blitz is really unleashed. We have got to get the young guys prepped and ready for the NFL.

CBrass

July 22nd, 2009
9:12 am

jason,

I also feel that by year three with TD and Smitty we will most definitely be making a SuperBowl run. The schedule this year is just brutal. We may end up with one or two less wins but I do feel that we’re going to be a better team.

SeminoleWarrior

July 22nd, 2009
9:16 am

Shared sentiments CB. Back to back winning seasons are assured for the first time in my opinion as well as a spirited run down the home stretch.

Jason, as I have studied, your point is on target. It will take a year or two in order to get where we want to be. And that begs another question. With continued improvement, how long will Smitty be able to keep such a fantastic staff in tact? Another year of offensive bliss and I’m Mad Mike will get a call. Not an issue though because we are fortunate in that we have another offensive cooridnator on the staff. Coach Musgrave was an OC and a pretty good one too.

CBrass

July 22nd, 2009
9:22 am

I just think people expecting a SB this coming season is a big much. I’m not saying that I will not be stoked if that happens but I just do not see it. I hate to bring up the dreaded point again but we have to have back-to-back winning season before we even begin thinking about a SB.

Seminole Warrior,

How are you doing this morning?

SeminoleWarrior

July 22nd, 2009
9:25 am

Feeling fine here my dear. I’m with you on the Super Bowl hype for this season. Time is the key.

D3

July 22nd, 2009
9:26 am

Its hard for me to even post anymore, because the Blog Dragon is on my @—!

Nookah – That was a pretty even assessment on our Falcons for this year, but to say we don’t have any playmakers on defense is pretty ridiculous. We added Peria Jerry, William Moore, Chris Owens, and Mike Peterson; not to mention a healthy Trey Lewis and Stephen Nicholas getting his shot. I don’t think we’re that far away from where NY Giants were when they made a “deep” run to win the Super Bowl.

jason – I agree with you that I think we’re one year away as well. This year should really tell us something about our “process”, but I wouldn’t totally discount a shot because once you get hot in the playoffs its anybody’s ball game(Pittsburgh-2006;NY Giants-2007;Arizona-2008). On MS/KM, I just never got the same feeling that it bothered either one of them when we got beat and never showed that leadership that I say from so many of our other guys, from Boss Bailey and Thomas Davis to David Greene and Terrance Edwards. Part of it was Richt’s fault for allowing the “superstar”-dom to take over the team. Just for instance, when Moreno would make a big run or score a TD he would just dance and act like it was party. Shut the H—- up and play football! MS acted he was in left field half the time and never showed that killer instinct. Name Stafford’s marquee game as a Dawg? Anyway, I wish them the best, but glad we’ve turned over a new leaf. All your talk of NCAA 2010 makes me yearn for the new Madden, and why does it come out so late. It should be coming out Aug.1st, IMO.

Seminole – Good point. We were already ranked 24th in Total DEF last year. I would argue that it would take quite a bit to get WORSE. As Coach Ken mentioned, its hard to see that with all the competition, athleticism, speed, and toughness that occurs.

D3

July 22nd, 2009
9:26 am

Attempt #2

Nookah – That was a pretty even assessment on our Falcons for this year, but to say we don’t have any playmakers on defense is pretty ridiculous. We added Peria Jerry, William Moore, Chris Owens, and Mike Peterson; not to mention a healthy Trey Lewis and Stephen Nicholas getting his shot. I don’t think we’re that far away from where NY Giants were when they made a “deep” run to win the Super Bowl.

jason – I agree with you that I think we’re one year away as well. This year should really tell us something about our “process”, but I wouldn’t totally discount a shot because once you get hot in the playoffs its anybody’s ball game(Pittsburgh-2006;NY Giants-2007;Arizona-2008). On MS/KM, I just never got the same feeling that it bothered either one of them when we got beat and never showed that leadership that I say from so many of our other guys, from Boss Bailey and Thomas Davis to David Greene and Terrance Edwards. Part of it was Richt’s fault for allowing the “superstar”-dom to take over the team. Just for instance, when Moreno would make a big run or score a TD he would just dance and act like it was party. Shut the H—- up and play football! MS acted he was in left field half the time and never showed that killer instinct. Name Stafford’s marquee game as a Dawg? Anyway, I wish them the best, but glad we’ve turned over a new leaf. All your talk of NCAA 2010 makes me yearn for the new Madden, and why does it come out so late. It should be coming out Aug.1st, IMO.

Seminole – Good point. We were already ranked 24th in Total DEF last year. I would argue that it would take quite a bit to get WORSE. As Coach Ken mentioned, its hard to see that with all the competition, athleticism, speed, and toughness that occurs.

D3

July 22nd, 2009
9:28 am

C’mon…………what is the deal? Over the past two days I probably am getting only half of my posts through. Its about to force me on a ‘Cage hiatus.

Nookah – That was a pretty even assessment on our Falcons for this year, but to say we don’t have any playmakers on defense is pretty ridiculous. We added Peria Jerry, William Moore, Chris Owens, and Mike Peterson; not to mention a healthy Trey Lewis and Stephen Nicholas getting his chance. I don’t think we’re that far away from where NY Giants were when they made a “deep” run to win the Super Bowl.

jason – I agree with you that I think we’re one year away as well. This year should really tell us something about our “process”, but I wouldn’t totally discount a shot because once you get hot in the playoffs its anybody’s ball game(Pittsburgh-2006;NY Giants-2007;Arizona-2008). On MS/KM, I just never got the same feeling that it bothered either one of them when we got beat and never showed that leadership that I say from so many of our other guys, from Boss Bailey and Thomas Davis to David Greene and Terrance Edwards. Part of it was Richt’s fault for allowing the “superstar”-dom to take over the team. Just for instance, when Moreno would make a big run or score a TD he would just dance and act like it was party. Shut the H—- up and play football! MS acted he was in left field half the time and never showed that killer instinct. Name Stafford’s marquee game as a Dawg? Anyway, I wish them the best, but glad we’ve turned over a new leaf. All your talk of NCAA 2010 makes me yearn for the new Madden, and why does it come out so late. It should be coming out Aug.1st, IMO.

Seminole – Good point. We were already ranked 24th in Total DEF last year. I would argue that it would take quite a bit to get WORSE. As Coach Ken mentioned, its hard to see that with all the competition, athleticism, speed, and toughness that occurs.

D3

July 22nd, 2009
9:29 am

C’mon…………what is the deal? Over the past two days I probably am getting only half of my posts through. Its about to force me on a ‘Cage hiatus.

Nookah – That was a pretty even assessment on our Falcons for this year, but to say we don’t have any playmakers on defense is pretty ridiculous. We added Peria Jerry, William Moore, Chris Owens, and Mike Peterson; not to mention a healthy Trey Lewis and Stephen Nicholas getting his chance. I don’t think we’re that far away from where NY Giants were when they made a “deep” run to win the Super Bowl.

D3

July 22nd, 2009
9:29 am

jason – I agree with you that I think we’re one year away as well. This year should really tell us something about our “process”, but I wouldn’t totally discount a shot because once you get hot in the playoffs its anybody’s ball game(Pittsburgh-2006;NY Giants-2007;Arizona-2008). On MS/KM, I just never got the same feeling that it bothered either one of them when we got beat and never showed that leadership that I say from so many of our other guys, from Boss Bailey and Thomas Davis to David Greene and Terrance Edwards. Part of it was Richt’s fault for allowing the “superstar”-dom to take over the team. Just for instance, when Moreno would make a big run or score a TD he would just dance and act like it was party. Shut the H—- up and play football! MS acted he was in left field half the time and never showed that killer instinct. Name Stafford’s marquee game as a Dawg? Anyway, I wish them the best, but glad we’ve turned over a new leaf. All your talk of NCAA 2010 makes me yearn for the new Madden, and why does it come out so late. It should be coming out Aug.1st, IMO.

Seminole – Good point. We were already ranked 24th in Total DEF last year. I would argue that it would take quite a bit to get WORSE. As Coach Ken mentioned, its hard to see that with all the competition, athleticism, speed, and toughness that occurs

CBrass

July 22nd, 2009
9:47 am

Seminole Warrior,

Good to hear. I can tell this is going to be a very long day.

D3,

I really can’t name Stafford’s marquee game. Guessing by marquee game you mean putting up not only good numbers but showing that killer instinct and being a great leader. Sorry to say but he didn’t have the latter two his entire time he was here. Neither did Moreno. Both were very talented there’s no deny that, but they were only concerned with their stats. I guess that’s why Stafford’s nickname was Stats…makes alot of sense.

Juice

July 22nd, 2009
9:47 am

Morning folks. Yall been busy huh? Thanks for the tribute earlier Nookah. There are almost a thousand comments on here.

I say we can make it deep into the playoffs if our young defense plays up to its athletic potential. They’re gonna make mistakes, but can they make the plays when it counts? Will JA55 stay healthy and have another good season? Will JA98 have a breakout year? Will Peria Jerry play like he did in college, and stay healthy? Who will start in the secondary? Do they have what it takes to face the elite receivers we’re facing this year? A lot of questions. I can only trust what our staff does. I also wanted to note one thing about our team. Dimitroff and Smith have put together not only a team of talent, but one with morals and drive. Everyone they’ve got has a positive, respectful attitude and heart for the game. This is paramount.

Unca' Bob

July 22nd, 2009
10:12 am

Caqer’s,

We do have a brutal shedule this season. I am of the opinion, what does not kill you can only make you stronger. We will not only survive, we shall thrive.

jason

July 22nd, 2009
10:14 am

SeminoleWarrior, I think Mularkey will do what he wants to do. He is a NFL vet. The 2 I am worried about is Musgrave and BVG. Musgrave has an outstanding young Offensive mind, and he also is a guru in handling young QBs. As for BVG, He has gotten a bad rep the past couple of years. He is ambitious and looking for the best thing (rung on the ladder). He laft UGA to HC at GA South, then burn them to go to the NFL, and back to USCeast to not even coach one game and then back to the NFL. That is the two Coaches I would be worried about leaving.

jason

July 22nd, 2009
10:25 am

The strength of schedule does not concern me. It is the youth of the defense, and not mistakes they will come and the D will learn and get better each week. I guess the tough schedule will be a factor in that the young D will hit that WALL. I am not saying that they can’t get hot and win a Super Bowl, but realisticly year three is the year that we will be set for the SB, and set for dudtaing success.

D3, MS never had that signature game that showed he was a leader. As for stat, look at last year’s Teach game, and notice the int that killed us and the big L at the end. KM did have that great game against UF 2 years ago, ran for like 185-190, but that is the only real game of note. It was also against an almost all Frosh UF D.

D3

July 22nd, 2009
10:25 am

Nookah’s article he posted got me thinking about not being able to make a “deep run” in the playoffs as it said, so let’s compare shall we:

2007 New York Giants vs 2009 Atlanta Falcons

Offense
QB: Eli Manning – Matt Ryan
RB: Brandon Jacobs – Michael Turner
RB2: Derrick Ward – Jerious Norwood
TE: Jeremy Shockey/Kevin Boss – Tony Gonzalez
WR: Plaxico Burress – Roddy White
WR2: Amani Toomer – Michael Jenkins
Slot: Sinorice Moss – Harry Douglas
LT: David Diehl – Sam Baker
LG: Rich Seubert – Justin Blaylock
C: Shaun O’Hara – Todd McClure
RG: Chris Snee – Harvey Dahl
RT: Kareem McKenzie – Tyson Clabo
FB: Madison Hedgecock – Ovie Mughelli

Defense
DE: Michael Strahan – John Abraham
DT: Barry Cofield – Jonathan Babineaux
DT: Fred Robbins – Peria Jerry
DE: Osi Umeniyora – Jamaal Anderson
MLB: Antonio Pierce – Curtis Lofton
OLB: Mathias Kiwanuka – Mike Peterson
OLB: Kawika Mitchell – Stephen Nicholas
CB: Sam Madison – Chris Houston
CB: Aaron Ross – Chevis Jackson/Chris Owens
Nickel: RW McQuarters – Brent Grimes/Chris Owens
FS: Gibril Wilson – Erik Coleman
SS: James Butler – William Moore/Thomas DeCoud

Obviously, it’s easy to sit here and compare teams at the beginning of the season and say they were close in personnel and that it is very subjective at best because it doesn’t count schedule, locker room, coaching staffs, key plays, etc. but it at least deserves looking at since many think that our defense will be too inexperienced to make a deep playoff run.

Their defensive line may have been a little more experienced and they certainly have a better pair of DEnds than we do currently, but this was Osi’s big breakout year opposite Strahan. Their DT’s were solid but nothing spectacular. Their LB corps certainly doesn’t strike fear on paper alone. Pierce was a stud, but Kawika Mitchell and Mathias Kiwanuka? Secondary had Sam Madison, but the other guys were fairly unknowns and Aaron Ross was only in his first couple of years.

With these predictions, it gets to a point of saturation where all the prognostications are trying to be different and find an alternate angle that other publications don’t have. Which is why you have the Dwight Schrute Football Experts, I mean the Football Outsiders, that pick a different area of the market to fill and thus make money. Although this prediction is pretty fair, but some points are ridiculous.

D3

July 22nd, 2009
10:26 am

Attempt #4

Nookah’s article he posted got me thinking about not being able to make a “deep run” in the playoffs as it said, so let’s compare shall we:

2007 New York Giants vs 2009 Atlanta Falcons

Offense
QB: Eli Manning – Matt Ryan
RB: Brandon Jacobs – Michael Turner
RB2: Derrick Ward – Jerious Norwood
TE: Jeremy Shockey/Kevin Boss – Tony Gonzalez
WR: Plaxico Burress – Roddy White
WR2: Amani Toomer – Michael Jenkins
Slot: Sinorice Moss – Harry Douglas
LT: David Diehl – Sam Baker
LG: Rich Seubert – Justin Blaylock
C: Shaun O’Hara – Todd McClure
RG: Chris Snee – Harvey Dahl
RT: Kareem McKenzie – Tyson Clabo
FB: Madison Hedgecock – Ovie Mughelli

Defense
DE: Michael Strahan – John Abraham
DT: Barry Cofield – Jonathan Babineaux
DT: Fred Robbins – Peria Jerry
DE: Osi Umeniyora – Jamaal Anderson
MLB: Antonio Pierce – Curtis Lofton
OLB: Mathias Kiwanuka – Mike Peterson
OLB: Kawika Mitchell – Stephen Nicholas
CB: Sam Madison – Chris Houston
CB: Aaron Ross – Chevis Jackson/Chris Owens
Nickel: RW McQuarters – Brent Grimes/Chris Owens
FS: Gibril Wilson – Erik Coleman
SS: James Butler – William Moore/Thomas DeCoud

Obviously, it’s easy to sit here and compare teams at the beginning of the season and say they were close in personnel and that it is very subjective at best because it doesn’t count schedule, locker room, coaching staffs, key plays, etc. but it at least deserves looking at since many think that our defense will be too inexperienced to make a deep playoff run.

Their defensive line may have been a little more experienced and they certainly have a better pair of DEnds than we do currently, but this was Osi’s big breakout year opposite Strahan. Their DT’s were solid but nothing spectacular. Their LB corps certainly doesn’t strike fear on paper alone. Pierce was a stud, but Kawika Mitchell and Mathias Kiwanuka? Secondary had Sam Madison, but the other guys were fairly unknowns and Aaron Ross was only in his first couple of years.

With these predictions, it gets to a point of saturation where all the prognostications are trying to be different and find an alternate angle that other publications don’t have. Which is why you have the Dwight Schrute Football Experts, I mean the Football Outsiders, that pick a different area of the market to fill and thus make money. Although this prediction is pretty fair, but some points are ridiculous.

D3

July 22nd, 2009
10:27 am

Nookah’s article he posted got me thinking about not being able to make a “deep run” in the playoffs as it said, so let’s compare shall we:

2007 New York Giants vs 2009 Atlanta Falcons

Offense
QB: Eli Manning – Matt Ryan
RB: Brandon Jacobs – Michael Turner
RB2: Derrick Ward – Jerious Norwood
TE: Jeremy Shockey/Kevin Boss – Tony Gonzalez
WR: Plaxico Burress – Roddy White
WR2: Amani Toomer – Michael Jenkins
Slot: Sinorice Moss – Harry Douglas
LT: David Diehl – Sam Baker
LG: Rich Seubert – Justin Blaylock
C: Shaun O’Hara – Todd McClure
RG: Chris Snee – Harvey Dahl
RT: Kareem McKenzie – Tyson Clabo
FB: Madison Hedgecock – Ovie Mughelli

Defense
DE: Michael Strahan – John Abraham
DT: Barry Cofield – Jonathan Babineaux
DT: Fred Robbins – Peria Jerry
DE: Osi Umeniyora – Jamaal Anderson
MLB: Antonio Pierce – Curtis Lofton
OLB: Mathias Kiwanuka – Mike Peterson
OLB: Kawika Mitchell – Stephen Nicholas
CB: Sam Madison – Chris Houston
CB: Aaron Ross – Chevis Jackson/Chris Owens
Nickel: RW McQuarters – Brent Grimes/Chris Owens
FS: Gibril Wilson – Erik Coleman
SS: James Butler – William Moore/Thomas DeCoud

D3

July 22nd, 2009
10:28 am

Guys and gals, I hate to do it but I’m going to have to take a hiatus away from this crap.

I’ve had 6 posts eaten already today. I’m really tired of typing posts for 10 minutes and having it eaten. It’s about to make me have an embolism in my brain.

Try back later.

D3

July 22nd, 2009
10:29 am

Attempt #10

Nookah’s article he posted got me thinking about not being able to make a “deep run” in the playoffs as it said, so let’s compare shall we:

2007 New York Giants vs 2009 Atlanta Falcons

Offense
QB: Eli Manning – Matt Ryan
RB: Brandon Jacobs – Michael Turner
RB2: Derrick Ward – Jerious Norwood
TE: Jeremy Shockey/Kevin Boss – Tony Gonzalez
WR: Plaxico Burress – Roddy White
WR2: Amani Toomer – Michael Jenkins
Slot: Sinorice Moss – Harry Douglas
LT: David Diehl – Sam Baker
LG: Rich Seubert – Justin Blaylock
C: Shaun O’Hara – Todd McClure
RG: Chris Snee – Harvey Dahl
RT: Kareem McKenzie – Tyson Clabo
FB: Madison Hedgecock – Ovie Mughelli

Defense
DE: Michael Strahan – John Abraham
DT: Barry Cofield – Jonathan Babineaux
DT: Fred Robbins – Peria Jerry
DE: Osi Umeniyora – Jamaal Anderson
MLB: Antonio Pierce – Curtis Lofton
OLB: Mathias Kiwanuka – Mike Peterson
OLB: Kawika Mitchell – Stephen Nicholas
CB: Sam Madison – Chris Houston
CB: Aaron Ross – Chevis Jackson/Chris Owens
Nickel: RW McQuarters – Brent Grimes/Chris Owens
FS: Gibril Wilson – Erik Coleman
SS: James Butler – William Moore/Thomas DeCoud

Obviously, it’s easy to sit here and compare teams at the beginning of the season and say they were close in personnel and that it is very subjective at best because it doesn’t count schedule, locker room, coaching staffs, key plays, etc. but it at least deserves looking at since many think that our defense will be too inexperienced to make a deep playoff run.

Their defensive line may have been a little more experienced and they certainly have a better pair of DEnds than we do currently, but this was Osi’s big breakout year opposite Strahan. Their DT’s were solid but nothing spectacular. Their LB corps certainly doesn’t strike fear on paper alone. Pierce was a stud, but Kawika Mitchell and Mathias Kiwanuka? Secondary had Sam Madison, but the other guys were fairly unknowns and Aaron Ross was only in his first couple of years.

With these predictions, it gets to a point of saturation where all the prognostications are trying to be different and find an alternate angle that other publications don’t have. Which is why you have the Dwight Schrute Football Experts, I mean the Football Outsiders, that pick a different area of the market to fill and thus make money. Although this prediction is pretty fair, but some points are ridiculous.

D3

July 22nd, 2009
10:30 am

Attempt #12

Nookah’s article he posted got me thinking about not being able to make a “deep run” in the playoffs as it said, so let’s compare shall we:

2007 New York Giants vs 2009 Atlanta Falcons

Offense
QB: Eli Manning – Matt Ryan
RB: Brandon Jacobs – Michael Turner
RB2: Derrick Ward – Jerious Norwood
TE: Jeremy Shockey/Kevin Boss – Tony Gonzalez
WR: Plaxico Burress – Roddy White
WR2: Amani Toomer – Michael Jenkins
Slot: Sinorice Moss – Harry Douglas
LT: David Diehl – Sam Baker
LG: Rich Seubert – Justin Blaylock
C: Shaun O’Hara – Todd McClure
RG: Chris Snee – Harvey Dahl
RT: Kareem McKenzie – Tyson Clabo
FB: Madison Hedgecock – Ovie Mughelli

Defense
DE: Michael Strahan – John Abraham
DT: Barry Cofield – Jonathan Babineaux
DT: Fred Robbins – Peria Jerry
DE: Osi Umeniyora – Jamaal Anderson
MLB: Antonio Pierce – Curtis Lofton
OLB: Mathias Kiwanuka – Mike Peterson
OLB: Kawika Mitchell – Stephen Nicholas
CB: Sam Madison – Chris Houston
CB: Aaron Ross – Chevis Jackson/Chris Owens
Nickel: RW McQuarters – Brent Grimes/Chris Owens
FS: Gibril Wilson – Erik Coleman
SS: James Butler – William Moore/Thomas DeCoud

Obviously, it’s easy to sit here and compare teams at the beginning of the season and say they were close in personnel and that it is very subjective at best because it doesn’t count schedule, locker room, coaching staffs, key plays, etc. but it at least deserves looking at since many think that our defense will be too inexperienced to make a deep playoff run.

Their defensive line may have been a little more experienced and they certainly have a better pair of DEnds than we do currently, but this was Osi’s big breakout year opposite Strahan. Their DT’s were solid but nothing spectacular. Their LB corps certainly doesn’t strike fear on paper alone. Pierce was a stud, but Kawika Mitchell and Mathias Kiwanuka? Secondary had Sam Madison, but the other guys were fairly unknowns and Aaron Ross was only in his first couple of years.

With these predictions, it gets to a point of saturation where all the prognostications are trying to be different and find an alternate angle that other publications don’t have. Which is why you have the Dwight Schrute Football Experts, I mean the Football Outsiders, that pick a different area of the market to fill and thus make money. Although this prediction is pretty fair, but some points are ridiculous.

D3

July 22nd, 2009
10:30 am

Attempt #13

Nookah’s article he posted got me thinking about not being able to make a “deep run” in the playoffs as it said, so let’s compare shall we:

2007 New York Giants vs 2009 Atlanta Falcons

Offense
QB: Eli Manning – Matt Ryan
RB: Brandon Jacobs – Michael Turner
RB2: Derrick Ward – Jerious Norwood
TE: Jeremy Shockey/Kevin Boss – Tony Gonzalez
WR: Plaxico Burress – Roddy White
WR2: Amani Toomer – Michael Jenkins
Slot: Sinorice Moss – Harry Douglas
LT: David Diehl – Sam Baker
LG: Rich Seubert – Justin Blaylock
C: Shaun O’Hara – Todd McClure
RG: Chris Snee – Harvey Dahl
RT: Kareem McKenzie – Tyson Clabo
FB: Madison Hedgecock – Ovie Mughelli

Defense
DE: Michael Strahan – John Abraham
DT: Barry Cofield – Jonathan Babineaux
DT: Fred Robbins – Peria Jerry
DE: Osi Umeniyora – Jamaal Anderson
MLB: Antonio Pierce – Curtis Lofton
OLB: Mathias Kiwanuka – Mike Peterson
OLB: Kawika Mitchell – Stephen Nicholas
CB: Sam Madison – Chris Houston
CB: Aaron Ross – Chevis Jackson/Chris Owens
Nickel: RW McQuarters – Brent Grimes/Chris Owens
FS: Gibril Wilson – Erik Coleman
SS: James Butler – William Moore/Thomas DeCoud

Obviously, it’s easy to sit here and compare teams at the beginning of the season and say they were close in personnel and that it is very subjective at best because it doesn’t count schedule, locker room, coaching staffs, key plays, etc. but it at least deserves looking at since many think that our defense will be too inexperienced to make a deep playoff run.

Their defensive line may have been a little more experienced and they certainly have a better pair of DEnds than we do currently, but this was Osi’s big breakout year opposite Strahan. Their DT’s were solid but nothing spectacular. Their LB corps certainly doesn’t strike fear on paper alone. Pierce was a stud, but Kawika Mitchell and Mathias Kiwanuka? Secondary had Sam Madison, but the other guys were fairly unknowns and Aaron Ross was only in his first couple of years.

With these predictions, it gets to a point of saturation where all the prognostications are trying to be different and find an alternate angle that other publications don’t have. Which is why you have the Dwight Schrute Football Experts, I mean the Football Outsiders, that pick a different area of the market to fill and thus make money. Although this prediction is pretty fair, but some points are ridiculous.

D3

July 22nd, 2009
10:31 am

Attempt #14

Nookah’s article he posted got me thinking about not being able to make a “deep run” in the playoffs as it said, so let’s compare shall we:

2007 New York Giants vs 2009 Atlanta Falcons

Offense
QB: Eli Manning – Matt Ryan
RB: Brandon Jacobs – Michael Turner
RB2: Derrick Ward – Jerious Norwood
TE: Jeremy Shockey/Kevin Boss – Tony Gonzalez
WR: Plaxico Burress – Roddy White
WR2: Amani Toomer – Michael Jenkins
Slot: Sinorice Moss – Harry Douglas
LT: David Diehl – Sam Baker
LG: Rich Seubert – Justin Blaylock
C: Shaun O’Hara – Todd McClure
RG: Chris Snee – Harvey Dahl
RT: Kareem McKenzie – Tyson Clabo
FB: Madison Hedgecock – Ovie Mughelli

Defense
DE: Michael Strahan – John Abraham
DT: Barry Cofield – Jonathan Babineaux
DT: Fred Robbins – Peria Jerry
DE: Osi Umeniyora – Jamaal Anderson
MLB: Antonio Pierce – Curtis Lofton
OLB: Mathias Kiwanuka – Mike Peterson
OLB: Kawika Mitchell – Stephen Nicholas
CB: Sam Madison – Chris Houston
CB: Aaron Ross – Chevis Jackson/Chris Owens
Nickel: RW McQuarters – Brent Grimes/Chris Owens
FS: Gibril Wilson – Erik Coleman
SS: James Butler – William Moore/Thomas DeCoud

Obviously, it’s easy to sit here and compare teams at the beginning of the season and say they were close in personnel and that it is very subjective at best because it doesn’t count schedule, locker room, coaching staffs, key plays, etc. but it at least deserves looking at since many think that our defense will be too inexperienced to make a deep playoff run.

Their defensive line may have been a little more experienced and they certainly have a better pair of DEnds than we do currently, but this was Osi’s big breakout year opposite Strahan. Their DT’s were solid but nothing spectacular. Their LB corps certainly doesn’t strike fear on paper alone. Pierce was a stud, but Kawika Mitchell and Mathias Kiwanuka? Secondary had Sam Madison, but the other guys were fairly unknowns and Aaron Ross was only in his first couple of years.

With these predictions, it gets to a point of saturation where all the prognostications are trying to be different and find an alternate angle that other publications don’t have. Which is why you have the Dwight Schrute Football Experts, I mean the Football Outsiders, that pick a different area of the market to fill and thus make money. Although this prediction is pretty fair, but some points are ridiculous.

D3

July 22nd, 2009
10:32 am

Attempt #16

The article he posted got me thinking about not being able to make a “deep run” in the playoffs as it said, so let’s compare shall we:

2007 New York Giants vs 2009 Atlanta Falcons

Offense
QB: Eli Manning – Matt Ryan
RB: Brandon Jacobs – Michael Turner
RB2: Derrick Ward – Jerious Norwood
TE: Jeremy Shockey/Kevin Boss – Tony Gonzalez
WR: Plaxico Burress – Roddy White
WR2: Amani Toomer – Michael Jenkins
Slot: Sinorice Moss – Harry Douglas
LT: David Diehl – Sam Baker
LG: Rich Seubert – Justin Blaylock
C: Shaun O’Hara – Todd McClure
RG: Chris Snee – Harvey Dahl
RT: Kareem McKenzie – Tyson Clabo
FB: Madison Hedgecock – Ovie Mughelli

Defense
DE: Michael Strahan – John Abraham
DT: Barry Cofield – Jonathan Babineaux
DT: Fred Robbins – Peria Jerry
DE: Osi Umeniyora – Jamaal Anderson
MLB: Antonio Pierce – Curtis Lofton
OLB: Mathias Kiwanuka – Mike Peterson
OLB: Kawika Mitchell – Stephen Nicholas
CB: Sam Madison – Chris Houston
CB: Aaron Ross – Chevis Jackson/Chris Owens
Nickel: RW McQuarters – Brent Grimes/Chris Owens
FS: Gibril Wilson – Erik Coleman
SS: James Butler – William Moore/Thomas DeCoud

Obviously, it’s easy to sit here and compare teams at the beginning of the season and say they were close in personnel and that it is very subjective at best because it doesn’t count schedule, locker room, coaching staffs, key plays, etc. but it at least deserves looking at since many think that our defense will be too inexperienced to make a deep playoff run.

Their defensive line may have been a little more experienced and they certainly have a better pair of DEnds than we do currently, but this was Osi’s big breakout year opposite Strahan. Their DT’s were solid but nothing spectacular. Their LB corps certainly doesn’t strike fear on paper alone. Pierce was a stud, but Kawika Mitchell and Mathias Kiwanuka? Secondary had Sam Madison, but the other guys were fairly unknowns and Aaron Ross was only in his first couple of years.

With these predictions, it gets to a point of saturation where all the prognostications are trying to be different and find an alternate angle that other publications don’t have. Which is why you have the Dwight Schrute Football Experts, I mean the Football Outsiders, that pick a different area of the market to fill and thus make money. Although this prediction is pretty fair, but some points are ridiculous.

D3

July 22nd, 2009
10:32 am

Attempt #17

Nookah’s article he posted got me thinking about not being able to make a “deep run” in the playoffs as it said, so let’s compare shall we:

2007 New York Giants vs 2009 Atlanta Falcons

Offense
QB: Eli Manning – Matt Ryan
RB: Brandon Jacobs – Michael Turner
RB2: Derrick Ward – Jerious Norwood
TE: Jeremy Shockey/Kevin Boss – Tony Gonzalez
WR: Plaxico Burress – Roddy White
WR2: Amani Toomer – Michael Jenkins
Slot: Sinorice Moss – Harry Douglas
LT: David Diehl – Sam Baker
LG: Rich Seubert – Justin Blaylock
C: Shaun O’Hara – Todd McClure
RG: Chris Snee – Harvey Dahl
RT: Kareem McKenzie – Tyson Clabo
FB: Madison Hedgecock – Ovie Mughelli

Defense
DE: Michael Strahan – John Abraham
DT: Barry Cofield – Jonathan Babineaux
DT: Fred Robbins – Peria Jerry
DE: Osi Umeniyora – Jamaal Anderson
MLB: Antonio Pierce – Curtis Lofton
OLB: Mathias Kiwanuka – Mike Peterson
OLB: Kawika Mitchell – Stephen Nicholas
CB: Sam Madison – Chris Houston
CB: Aaron Ross – Chevis Jackson/Chris Owens
Nickel: RW McQuarters – Brent Grimes/Chris Owens
FS: Gibril Wilson – Erik Coleman
SS: James Butler – William Moore/Thomas DeCoud

Obviously, it’s easy to sit here and compare teams at the beginning of the season and say they were close in personnel and that it is very subjective at best because it doesn’t count schedule, locker room, coaching staffs, key plays, etc. but it at least deserves looking at since many think that our defense will be too inexperienced to make a deep playoff run.

Their defensive line may have been a little more experienced and they certainly have a better pair of DEnds than we do currently, but this was Osi’s big breakout year opposite Strahan. Their DT’s were solid but nothing spectacular. Their LB corps certainly doesn’t strike fear on paper alone. Pierce was a stud, but Kawika Mitchell and Mathias Kiwanuka? Secondary had Sam Madison, but the other guys were fairly unknowns and Aaron Ross was only in his first couple of years.

With these predictions, it gets to a point of saturation where all the prognostications are trying to be different and find an alternate angle that other publications don’t have. Which is why you have the Dwight Schrute Football Experts, I mean the Football Outsiders, that pick a different area of the market to fill and thus make money. Although this prediction is pretty fair, but some points are ridiculous.

JJ

July 22nd, 2009
10:39 am

Unca’ Bob, jason: agree with both of you. I am more concerned about the 4 or 5 games after bye weeks. I think this gives our proponents a huge advantage. Really ticks me off the more I think about it. Has any team been shoved this bs?

Unca’ Bob: mark bradly is at it again, beware!

Unca' Bob

July 22nd, 2009
10:44 am

JJ,

I saw that. Could not get thru all the posts. I had to bailout. If all that passion could be properly channeled…

jason

July 22nd, 2009
10:55 am

JJ, With the bye weeks, it will give opposing teams an edge over our young D. Smitty and BVG are going to have their work cut out for them this year. The good thing is we have alot of talent and alot of speed on that side of the ball.

JJ

July 22nd, 2009
10:55 am

Unca’ Bob: Do you remember which teams we play after their bye? I thought you posted back when the schedule was released. Got to run back out,will check in later…

D3: I love your long posts, but that might be the prob with our monster. If you break them down into 1 or 2 paragraphs at a time, it may help.

Retro hr (7-8pm) fav. player, fav. game, hof candidates, fav. coach, etc…

jason

July 22nd, 2009
11:06 am

JJ, at least I have a few hours to think. I began watching football in the early 80’s. There are alot of favorites. I will try to stay Falcons, but the Cowboys was my other team. Then again there were alot of great players, Chargers, Dolphins, Steelers, Lions, etc… I could go on and on, But I will wait until this evening.

D3

July 22nd, 2009
11:10 am

attempt #20

Nookah’s article he posted got me thinking about not being able to make a “deep run” in the playoffs as it said, so let’s compare shall we:

2007 New York Giants vs 2009 Atlanta Falcons

Offense
QB: Eli Manning – Matt Ryan
RB: Brandon Jacobs – Michael Turner
RB2: Derrick Ward – Jerious Norwood
TE: Jeremy Shockey/Kevin Boss – Tony Gonzalez
WR: Plaxico Burress – Roddy White
WR2: Amani Toomer – Michael Jenkins
Slot: Sinorice Moss – Harry Douglas
LT: David Diehl – Sam Baker
LG: Rich Seubert – Justin Blaylock
C: Shaun O’Hara – Todd McClure
RG: Chris Snee – Harvey Dahl
RT: Kareem McKenzie – Tyson Clabo
FB: Madison Hedgecock – Ovie Mughelli

Defense
DE: Michael Strahan – John Abraham
DT: Barry Cofield – Jonathan Babineaux
DT: Fred Robbins – Peria Jerry
DE: Osi Umeniyora – Jamaal Anderson
MLB: Antonio Pierce – Curtis Lofton
OLB: Mathias Kiwanuka – Mike Peterson
OLB: Kawika Mitchell – Stephen Nicholas
CB: Sam Madison – Chris Houston
CB: Aaron Ross – Chevis Jackson/Chris Owens
Nickel: RW McQuarters – Brent Grimes/Chris Owens
FS: Gibril Wilson – Erik Coleman
SS: James Butler – William Moore/Thomas DeCoud

Obviously, it’s easy to sit here and compare teams at the beginning of the season and say they were close in personnel and that it is very subjective at best because it doesn’t count schedule, locker room, coaching staffs, key plays, etc. but it at least deserves looking at since many think that our defense will be too inexperienced to make a deep playoff run.

Their defensive line may have been a little more experienced and they certainly have a better pair of DEnds than we do currently, but this was Osi’s big breakout year opposite Strahan. Their DT’s were solid but nothing spectacular. Their LB corps certainly doesn’t strike fear on paper alone. Pierce was a stud, but Kawika Mitchell and Mathias Kiwanuka? Secondary had Sam Madison, but the other guys were fairly unknowns and Aaron Ross was only in his first couple of years.

With these predictions, it gets to a point of saturation where all the prognostications are trying to be different and find an alternate angle that other publications don’t have. Which is why you have the Dwight Schrute Football Experts, I mean the Football Outsiders, that pick a different area of the market to fill and thus make money. Although this prediction is pretty fair, but some points are ridiculous.

Ken Strickland

July 22nd, 2009
11:15 am

To beat teams with dynamic OFF’s like the Eagles and Saints, we have to do 2 things.
(1) Use our ball control OFF to control the clock and keep their OFF off the field, while putting pts on the scoreboard.

(2) Force them to beat us using their weakness, because both teams have weak rushing OFF’s and correspondingly weak redzone scoring.

To get an idea of how important controlling the scoreboard(points allowed) can be, consider the following facts if you have trouble believing in our DEF. The Falcons finisned 24th in total DEF last yr, and of the 23 teams that finished ahead of us, 13 allowed more points per gm and only 3 had better won/loss records. Being quicker, faster, more mobile and athletic are all advantages when defending the Redzone, and there aren’t many, if any, DEF’s that are quicker, faster, more mobile and athletic than ours.

D3

July 22nd, 2009
11:27 am

article posted got me thinking about not being able to make a “deep run” in the playoffs as it said, so let’s compare shall we:

2007 New York Giants vs 2009 Atlanta Falcons

Offense
QB: Eli Manning – Matt Ryan
RB: Brandon Jacobs – Michael Turner
RB2: Derrick Ward – Jerious Norwood
TE: Jeremy Shockey/Kevin Boss – Tony Gonzalez
WR: Plaxico Burress – Roddy White
WR2: Amani Toomer – Michael Jenkins
Slot: Sinorice Moss – Harry Douglas
LT: David Diehl – Sam Baker
LG: Rich Seubert – Justin Blaylock
C: Shaun O’Hara – Todd McClure
RG: Chris Snee – Harvey Dahl
RT: Kareem McKenzie – Tyson Clabo
FB: Madison Hedgecock – Ovie Mughelli

Defense
DE: Michael Strahan – John Abraham
DT: Barry Cofield – Jonathan Babineaux
DT: Fred Robbins – Peria Jerry
DE: Osi Umeniyora – Jamaal Anderson
MLB: Antonio Pierce – Curtis Lofton
OLB: Mathias Kiwanuka – Mike Peterson
OLB: Kawika Mitchell – Stephen Nicholas
CB: Sam Madison – Chris Houston
CB: Aaron Ross – Chevis Jackson/Chris Owens
Nickel: RW McQuarters – Brent Grimes/Chris Owens
FS: Gibril Wilson – Erik Coleman
SS: James Butler – William Moore/Thomas DeCoud

WR

July 22nd, 2009
11:28 am

Quick check in with my favorite crew, 9 pages and counting and training camp is still a week away, don’t fall behind boys and girls because catching up could take all day.

JJ, I see your point on playing teams after their bye weeks, Jason has it right, it will give opposing teams an edge over the birds youngD. But I give you this, it was a discussion between myself and mostly Unca’Bob, to offset how teams will try to take advantage of the birds after bye weeks, the offense can go into alot of no huddle offense. The no huddle will allow them to control the clock and control opponents substituting ability. As Seminole has stated often, Mad Mike is virtually an offensive genius, he will come up with ways to combat teams having an extra week to prepare, defensively if the birds struggle the offense can shoot it out with the best of teams and not many teams will try to get into a shootout with these birds.

Back in a while, just wanting to jump in the cage real quick, by the way JJ, topics are looking good for NFL Retro, will the player be on board today,LOL.

D3

July 22nd, 2009
11:28 am

2007 New York Giants vs 2009 Atlanta Falcons

Offense
QB: Eli Manning – Matt Ryan
RB: Brandon Jacobs – Michael Turner
RB2: Derrick Ward – Jerious Norwood
TE: Jeremy Shockey/Kevin Boss – Tony Gonzalez
WR: Plaxico Burress – Roddy White
WR2: Amani Toomer – Michael Jenkins
Slot: Sinorice Moss – Harry Douglas
LT: David Diehl – Sam Baker
LG: Rich Seubert – Justin Blaylock
C: Shaun O’Hara – Todd McClure
RG: Chris Snee – Harvey Dahl
RT: Kareem McKenzie – Tyson Clabo
FB: Madison Hedgecock – Ovie Mughelli

Defense
DE: Michael Strahan – John Abraham
DT: Barry Cofield – Jonathan Babineaux
DT: Fred Robbins – Peria Jerry
DE: Osi Umeniyora – Jamaal Anderson
MLB: Antonio Pierce – Curtis Lofton
OLB: Mathias Kiwanuka – Mike Peterson
OLB: Kawika Mitchell – Stephen Nicholas
CB: Sam Madison – Chris Houston
CB: Aaron Ross – Chevis Jackson/Chris Owens
Nickel: RW McQuarters – Brent Grimes/Chris Owens
FS: Gibril Wilson – Erik Coleman
SS: James Butler – William Moore/Thomas DeCoud

Obviously, it’s easy to sit here and compare teams at the beginning of the season and say they were close in personnel and that it is very subjective at best because it doesn’t count schedule, locker room, coaching staffs, key plays, etc. but it at least deserves looking at since many think that our defense will be too inexperienced to make a deep playoff run.

Their defensive line may have been a little more experienced and they certainly have a better pair of DEnds than we do currently, but this was Osi’s big breakout year opposite Strahan. Their DT’s were solid but nothing spectacular. Their LB corps certainly doesn’t strike fear on paper alone. Pierce was a stud, but Kawika Mitchell and Mathias Kiwanuka? Secondary had Sam Madison, but the other guys were fairly unknowns and Aaron Ross was only in his first couple of years.

With these predictions, it gets to a point of saturation where all the prognostications are trying to be different and find an alternate angle that other publications don’t have. Which is why you have the Dwight Schrute Football Experts, I mean the Football Outsiders, that pick a different area of the market to fill and thus make money. Although this prediction is pretty fair, but some points are ridiculous.

D3

July 22nd, 2009
11:28 am

2007 New York Giants vs 2009 Atlanta Falcons

Offense
QB: Eli Manning – Matt Ryan
RB: Brandon Jacobs – Michael Turner
RB2: Derrick Ward – Jerious Norwood
TE: Jeremy Shockey/Kevin Boss – Tony Gonzalez
WR: Plaxico Burress – Roddy White
WR2: Amani Toomer – Michael Jenkins
Slot: Sinorice Moss – Harry Douglas
LT: David Diehl – Sam Baker
LG: Rich Seubert – Justin Blaylock
C: Shaun O’Hara – Todd McClure
RG: Chris Snee – Harvey Dahl
RT: Kareem McKenzie – Tyson Clabo
FB: Madison Hedgecock – Ovie Mughelli

Defense
DE: Michael Strahan – John Abraham
DT: Barry Cofield – Jonathan Babineaux
DT: Fred Robbins – Peria Jerry
DE: Osi Umeniyora – Jamaal Anderson
MLB: Antonio Pierce – Curtis Lofton
OLB: Mathias Kiwanuka – Mike Peterson
OLB: Kawika Mitchell – Stephen Nicholas
CB: Sam Madison – Chris Houston
CB: Aaron Ross – Chevis Jackson/Chris Owens
Nickel: RW McQuarters – Brent Grimes/Chris Owens
FS: Gibril Wilson – Erik Coleman
SS: James Butler – William Moore/Thomas DeCoud

D3

July 22nd, 2009
11:30 am

again…..

Nookah’s article he posted got me thinking about not being able to make a “deep run” in the playoffs as it said, so let’s compare shall we:

2007 New York Giants vs 2009 Atlanta Falcons

Offense
QB: Eli Manning – Matt Ryan
RB: Brandon Jacobs – Michael Turner
RB2: Derrick Ward – Jerious Norwood
TE: Jeremy Shockey/Kevin Boss – Tony Gonzalez
WR: Plaxico Burress – Roddy White
WR2: Amani Toomer – Michael Jenkins
Slot: Sinorice Moss – Harry Douglas
LT: David Diehl – Sam Baker
LG: Rich Seubert – Justin Blaylock
C: Shaun O’Hara – Todd McClure
RG: Chris Snee – Harvey Dahl
RT: Kareem McKenzie – Tyson Clabo

Defense
DE: Michael Strahan – John Abraham
DT: Barry Cofield – Jonathan Babineaux
DT: Fred Robbins – Peria Jerry
DE: Osi Umeniyora – Jamaal Anderson
MLB: Antonio Pierce – Curtis Lofton
OLB: Mathias Kiwanuka – Mike Peterson
OLB: Kawika Mitchell – Stephen Nicholas
CB: Sam Madison – Chris Houston
CB: Aaron Ross – Chevis Jackson/Chris Owens
Nickel: RW McQuarters – Brent Grimes/Chris Owens
FS: Gibril Wilson – Erik Coleman
SS: James Butler – William Moore/Thomas DeCoud

Obviously, it’s easy to sit here and compare teams at the beginning of the season and say they were close in personnel and that it is very subjective at best because it doesn’t count schedule, locker room, coaching staffs, key plays, etc. but it at least deserves looking at since many think that our defense will be too inexperienced to make a deep playoff run.

Their defensive line may have been a little more experienced and they certainly have a better pair of DEnds than we do currently, but this was Osi’s big breakout year opposite Strahan. Their DT’s were solid but nothing spectacular. Their LB corps certainly doesn’t strike fear on paper alone. Pierce was a stud, but Kawika Mitchell and Mathias Kiwanuka? Secondary had Sam Madison, but the other guys were fairly unknowns and Aaron Ross was only in his first couple of years.

With these predictions, it gets to a point of saturation where all the prognostications are trying to be different and find an alternate angle that other publications don’t have. Which is why you have the Dwight Schrute Football Experts, I mean the Football Outsiders, that pick a different area of the market to fill and thus make money. Although this prediction is pretty fair, but some points are ridiculous.

Ken Strickland

July 22nd, 2009
11:33 am

The above facts prove that where a team finishes in PT’s allowed is far more important than where a team finishes in total yds allowed. This yrs DEF will be far more capable of defending the Redzone than last yrs DEF.

D3

July 22nd, 2009
11:37 am

Hello, anything getting through?

SeminoleWarrior

July 22nd, 2009
12:07 pm

Hello Cage…Sorry to have disappeared earlier. Been dealing with a few issues here in the TeePee. Word to the wise men. Don’t try to be plumbers when you do not know what in the hell you are doing.!! I read some self-help tips and made things worse. Thank God I’m a hell of lot better with meteorology than I am with a pipe wrench. Anyways, the real dudes are handling my mess..

Jason, Musgrave is a hell of a sleeper as a coach, especially with QBs and offensive strategy. I think we will keep him around for a while. But Mad Mike is one that will be a hot commodity come the end of the year. As far as BVG, I’m still feeling him out so I will defer to you, D3, and other UGA faith as to his upside as an NFL coach.

K Strick…on target analysis as always.

JJ, will we hit the air at 6 or 7? WR, are you ready to break down the “Gene” factor in more detail.

Let me see how my money is being spent…back in a while.

SeminoleWarrior

July 22nd, 2009
12:11 pm

JJ, I will take some of the blame for the blog monster as well. I can get on a roll at times as well.

AJC Had best invest in a larger server because its PREMIER blog is only going to get BIGGER and BETTER!!

Sarah B

July 22nd, 2009
12:19 pm

My God! It took me this long just to catch up people and it’s already time for lunch. I’ll be back.

SeminoleWarrior

July 22nd, 2009
12:21 pm

Juice, I asked the same question today in regards to Jerry. As most of the Cage will recall, I was selling Ziggy Hood in here as hard as Jim Ellis selling cars in Cobb County!! Jerry’s injuries bothered me a bit and I really did not see much of a difference in the two.

Coach K Strick will definately tell us that we place too much into the injury thing and he is right. But the defensive line to me is the HEART of what we will do this season. It all begins in the trenches!!

jason

July 22nd, 2009
12:23 pm

Ken Strickland Good posts as usual. We are not a perfect team. By looking at weaknesses, we don’t have alot. Most notable is youth and inexperience on defense. I see that being the focal point for opposing teams to attack us. We need our offense to sustain long time consuming drives to protect the defense, at least at the early part of the season. I think they will. Also with the best directional punter in football will be an added advantage (as it showed last year) in keeping field position in the defense’s favor. That was how our D could give up all those yards last year while giving up so few points.

Unca' Bob

July 22nd, 2009
12:25 pm

JJ,

Thank goodness for notes.
Week 6-Chi @ Atl
Week 7-Atl @ Dal
Week 9-Was @ Atl
Week11-Atl @ NYG

jason

July 22nd, 2009
12:27 pm

SeminoleWarrior, the question with Jerry is… Are those injuries serious or of the nagging sort. Either way he is going to have to play.

Also on BVG, he is a good coach, but I wonder if he is going to jump ship and the first better offer. Hopefully not since he broke ground in the NFL with Smitty.

I will give you Mulsarkey, but he has been around the NFL so long, do you really think he wants to be a HC? I am sure everyone does at some point.

SeminoleWarrior

July 22nd, 2009
12:37 pm

Ohhhh Jason, ego is a powerful element my friend. Mad Mike was force out of Buffalo in a bad way. If there is a chance at redemption, I am sure he would seriously consider it. I love the guy but if he leaves to be a head coach, we will not miss a beat I think in elevating Musgrave immediately to OC.

It looks like BVG owes his NFL opportunities to the trust of Smitty. I’m thinking it is here with Smitty for the long haul. He, in the eyes of most of the league, is still an unknown.

jason

July 22nd, 2009
12:42 pm

SeminoleWarrior, I think the chances of retainging Mularkey are good. The NFL is a trend league and the trend now is to hire 30 somethin year old coaches with little to no experience (sarcasm). If he does go, Musgrave gets OC and a pay raise. He is responsible for the little developement that MV got plus what he did in MR’s rookie year.

BVG is still pretty young in his NFL DC career. He was ATL’s LB (I think) coach during Petrino’s brief stay in ATL.

jason

July 22nd, 2009
12:46 pm

Here is a bio on BVG….

jason

July 22nd, 2009
12:47 pm

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