Are Falcons making the right football decision on Vick?

Vick leaving the field in his last NFL game at Lincoln Financial Field in Philadelphia. (CURTIS COMPTON/AJC)

Vick leaving the field in his last NFL game at Lincoln Financial Field in Philadelphia. (CURTIS COMPTON/AJC)

VICKSVILLE – Let’s go there today. But let’s keep up the good manners we’ve been working on this offseason.

Fussing is fine. Cussing is not.

Two of my favorite folks in the NFL – Gil Brandt and Jamie Dukes – shared their very different views on

Michael Vick’s possible return to the National Football League.

Former Falcon DeAngelo Hall was fined for supporting Michael Vick.

Former Falcon DeAngelo Hall was fined for supporting Michael Vick.

Let’s look at some of the issues:

SHAKING OFF THE RUST: Vick has not played since Dec. 31, 2006 against the Philadelphia Eagles, when he left the game with an ankle injury giving way to Matt Schaub.

He was working out in Bobby Petrino’s offense over the 2007 offseason when the federal dogfighting case broke.

“It will be a challenge, but I’m not nearly as concerned about that,” said Dukes, an analyst with the NFL Network and former player.

Brandt, the former Dallas personnel man, shared a story about a linebacker the Cowboys drafted out of Missouri, who went into the service for two years.

“When he came back he was just not the same,” Brandt said. “I think it’s like somebody that drops out of school for two years and then they try to recover their study habits, it’s very, very hard. . . .

NFL Network's Jamie Dukes.

NFL Network's Jamie Dukes.

“I just think it’s really hard for a guy that is away and misses two years to get back up to speed and realize that you have to work to be successful because you lose that edge.”

THE WILDCAT OFFENSE: Most have contended that Vick could come back as a Wildcat offense quarterback.

“The spread helps him get a job,” Brandt said. “If and when he’s cleared. He can do that pretty well because of the fact that he can run so well.”

Dukes thinks that with teams – like the Falcons – emphasizing the running game, that Vick is a fit for any run-heavy attack.

“Look at the Falcons and their success,” Dukes said. “Most teams think if we can play good defense and run the football, we are going to be successful. So what Michael brings to the game. . . is you’re going to have one of the top three rushing offenses in the league. That’s just fact. Every year he’s played that number speaks for itself.”

VICK LACK OF PASSING PROWESS: Vick has a lively arm, but he was still developing as a passer. Former

The infamous trick water bottle from Miami International Airport (D. ORLANDO LEDBETTER/AJC)

The infamous trick water bottle from Miami International Airport. (D. ORLANDO LEDBETTER/AJC)

coach Bobby Petrino would have helped him along if things had worked out.

“Some might say he’s not a career 60 percent passer; are we going to ignore the yardage that he gets running the football?,” Dukes said. “Are we going to ignore all of the other things that he does?

“He’s not the prototypical NFL quarterback, but that does not mean that he’s not a good quarterback. He still will be a good quarterback.”

Brandt never liked Vick as a passer.

“At Virginia Tech, he hit 56 point something of his passes,” Brandt said. “Which is not very good. His brother (Marcus) who wasn’t even considered a good passer and hit 59, almost 60 percent of his passes. In the Wildcat formation, that is probably where he has to be if he’s going to be on offense.”

CAN VICK STILL PACK THE STANDS: It’s no league secret that for years before Vick arrived, selling out Falcons game was a difficult task. TV blackouts have a place in local Falcon lore.

“Vick is recession proof,” Dukes said. “That is the one thing that I can say about him that people forget. If he’s going to play, he’s going to pack out whatever stadium he’s going in.

“How many members of PETA are actually season ticket holders? You where here with the Falcons fans when this thing went down. You saw that the season ticket holders wanted Michael Vick back.

“They understood that he did something terrible and they understood that he needed to pay some form of a price for what he did. But they wanted him. This wasn’t a racial issue, black, white or purple. Falcon fans, season ticket holders, wanted their quarterback.

“So whatever team he goes to, those fans are going to want their quarterback to play. Especially, if their quarterback position is poor. Are you telling me that Michael Vick won’t go into St. Louis, where they are worried about selling tickets and sell that place out? You are telling me that if he went to Kansas City that he wouldn’t pack that place out? I know they just got Matt Cassel, but before that. If he went to Detroit he would pack that joint.”

Cleveland and San Francisco are two other quarterback-needy teams Dukes mentioned. (Hey, Cleveland does have the Dawg Pound, too! I know, bad joke.)

Vick could smile back during OTAs in July of 07 before the dogfighting case broke. (CURTIS COMPTON/AJC)

Vick could smile back during OTAs in July of 07 before the dogfighting case broke. (CURTIS COMPTON/AJC)

POSITION CHANGE: Agent Joel Segal and Vick’s camp are not considering a position change to wide receiver, running back or defensive back.

Brandt thinks that might not be wise.

“I don’t know if you can teach a guy to back pedal, but he’s an athlete,” Brandt said. “He might be a corner because of his speed and athletic ability. Because of his running ability, he might be a running back. There will be opportunities for him, but I think it will be extremely hard for him to come back as a quarterback.”

Vick is a quarterback in Dukes’ book.

“He’s not Peyton Manning, but you know what, he’s got some things that Peyton Manning doesn’t have,” Dukes said. “Peyton has some things in the passing game that Mike doesn’t have. Nevertheless, he’s a very effective quarterback. . .

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“Michael Vick is a quarterback. He’s not some slot back. You can use him in the Wildcat, but Michael Vick is a quarterback.

“That guy can play quarterback. He’s not Steve Young in the West Coast offense, but guess what, who is? He is a good enough quarterback.

“His numbers are pretty darn good, when you compare it to some of the bums who have played the quarterback position. This guy wins games.”

THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF THE UNITED STATES: For us folks that have covered the Vick case from the beginning, we know about the substantial role The Humane Society of the United States played in helping to convict Vick.

PETA does all of the protesting, but the well-financed Humane Society does the heavy-lifting.

It’s ironic now that they now may play a role in helping Vick cleanse his reputation. Here’s a link to a blog written by their president Wayne Pacelle.

FROM THE E-MAIL BAG: Here are some of the e-mails I received this week on Vick’s release to home confinement.

“Orlando, I am surprised no one did a story about Vick’s day to day life in prison. There is some disconnect in this country to what prison is. I hear people saying he needs to be punished when he gets out. What do they think he was doing in prison?

“You mention he will be on home confinement and add the 3,500 square foot house. You think a killer cares if he is juiced in a mahogany electric chair or a metal one. They must have something in the journalism school that says to leave the description of prison or punishment alone.

“If you talk about it maybe someone might not be afraid of it, get it figured out, and maybe want to go there.

“The place is hell; the man has been through hell for a damn dog fight.”

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“The no good SOB should never be allowed to play in the NFL again.”

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“Now that he has paid his debt to the dogs, can we move on, and let him get on with his life. He should not have been in jail for fighting dogs, and I am a dog lover, but who died and made P.E.T.A. gods. I hope he is allowed to play football, or (whatever) he wants to do without (a) newspaper reporter recording his every move. . . .
“The media should get over it, and let him move on, the public has.”

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“I believe the Falcons are making a BIG mistake in not keeping Vick. Yes, we have a terrific new starting quarterback who deserves to remain that way. However what if he gets hurt? You need a good backup and certainly could we believe that the other QB’s could come close to filling Ryan shoes?

“Michael Vick is serving his debt to society by virtue of his prison time, probationary period and substantial loss of income. He is paying the price for his very poor past judgments. He has had plenty of time to think about his stupidity while he was in Leavenworth. . . .

“Atlanta sports teams have traded away so many good athletes and have nothing to show for it. Vick can contribute and I believe that when Vick is reinstated, Mr. Blank should consider what Vick could do and give Vick, a talented star, another opportunity.”

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Remember the rules, y’all. Fussing is fine. Cussing is not.

Let’s try to have a civil dialogue on this. Are the Falcons making the right football decision? Should they let Vick play in a preseason game or two in order to rebuild some value and then trade him? Will you get anything for him when teams know that you are going to cut him if you can’t trade him? Should they just wash their hands and move on?

440 comments Add your comment

DeathFromAbove

May 26th, 2009
1:49 am

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Hamad Meander

May 26th, 2009
10:22 am

Let’s be honest here. As a QB, now and before, Michael Vick is and was a project. He was not a polished product. 71 touchdowns with 52 interceptions and 55 fumbles doesn’t make an above average QB in the National Football League.

I would be more than glad to see Michael try to revive his career with another team. All I’m saying is that to assume he will be effective, exciting, and a winning QB is a wild stretch.

Larry Westbrooks

May 26th, 2009
11:10 am

Blank lied to us. Remember ‘a falcon for life’, which was the biggest lie? Sure Blank feeling was hurt,but he should grow up and get over it. what about the promise to bring a winner to Atlanta? What do you think the other teams are going to do with Vick? Why throw a good weapon away? Most of the fans want to have Vick back. Which is more important to Mr. Blank, his feeling being hurt by a lie or himself giving the fans what they want? Have Mr. Blank ever needed a second chance?
Vick, in my opinion, was conspired against by the NFL and the Atlanta Falcons in a measure to safe money when this whole thing began (they waited to training camp to supense Vick).
Good luck, Mike.

lgwest

Nat Turner

May 26th, 2009
11:12 am

I agree that MV was not the best passer in the NFL, but I disagree that he was as bad as most of you think. I have been watching football, pro, college AND HS for over 30 years. I can honestly say that I have never seen a group of starting wide receivers drop as many catchable balls as the Falcons WRs did when MV was quarterbacking.

The knock on MV was that he “threw the ball to hard”. Well as a freshman I complained to my coach that our QB threw it too hard. His response was that I better quickly learn to catch a harder ball. I did. Roddy White is still dropping balls. Albeit not as many. But perhaps that has more to do with not drinking and carousing until 4am than with the passer. Crumpler dropped a few, but mostly caught the rockets at an even closer range that the balls to White and Jenkins. Good receivers wqould have caught a lot more of Vick’s passes.

Objective Observer

May 26th, 2009
11:40 am

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Lance

May 26th, 2009
11:50 am

The picture of DeAngelo “Thug” Hall holding a picture of Vick says it all. Birds of a feather flock together…out of ATL…losers, thugs, criminals, etc..

Falconless in Seattle

May 26th, 2009
1:29 pm

Shut up about mike Vick!!!!! He’s not on our team anymore! Isn’t there anything else you can report on? HOW about interveiwing some of our defensive coaches to see how we stand. I only want to hear about Vick when we trade or release him! THIS IS GETTING REALLY OLD!

Rob

May 26th, 2009
2:09 pm

Let him play. The guy will sell seats for sure. Dukes has to let one thing go – Vick IS NOT a quarterback. He would be very effective as a slotback & special teams specialist. The problem lies within the balck community is going to preach to this guy not to accept anything less than starting QB which he will never get.

1911A1

May 26th, 2009
2:41 pm

If Vick ever takes the field in a Falcons uniform again, I will be finished with them forever. Period. And so will many, many others.

AJC, is this what passes for news these days? No wonder you’re in the toilet. Politicians are stealing us blind and taking away our freedom, but none of that matters because it’s more important to keep up with what MV and TI are doing on an hourly basis? Pathetic.

DeeMcKenzie

May 26th, 2009
2:43 pm

The Falcons should release MV. He will not be welcome here anyway and at this time it is just not a match made in heaven. It is time for MV to move on with his career and his life. Let the Falcons move on as well. He deserves to play again, but for another team. To me it’s like a divorce, you can get married again just not to the same person. Let MV go forward and God bless!

John Smith

May 26th, 2009
2:51 pm

All you Falcons Fan,that are down on Vick,what is the # of time the Atlante Falcons ever been to the Super Bowl,From the frist day they came to Atlanee,I don’t no but one time,Guess who was the QB,Michael Vick,And you can for get about 2009.

Poor McKay

May 26th, 2009
4:42 pm

So as I was saying Friday at noon, Cowboys are trying to get rid of Greg Ellis. At this point, they are clearly willing to take pennies on the dollar for the veteran. If the report on ajc.com is true, they are considering releasing him. I say offer a 4th round pick (so we’re assured of getting him) and let’s bring him in tomorrow. The fastest and easiest way to improve the secondary is by improving the pass rush. With Ellis on board, we could keep fresh rushers on the edges (between Abraham, Ellis, Bierman and Sidwell).

BigGAdawg

May 26th, 2009
4:48 pm

Blah Blah Blah–This is pointless–IT IS A DONE DEAL as Arthur Blank has stated firmly for the 50th time.

ALL AJC SPORTS WRITERS–How about writing some articles about actual Falcons players. Vick, for better or worse, is past tense. And you are way past boring on a subject that most people have moved beyond. Yes, we wish him the best and future success somewhere. But since it is definitely not going to be here LET IT GO!!!!!

Jborodawg

May 26th, 2009
5:33 pm

“…Are the Falcons making the right football decision?…”

Jborodawg

May 26th, 2009
5:35 pm

“…Are the Falcons making the right football decision?…”

Yes, and it’s a decision that was made MONTHS ago. Why are we still hashing and rehashing?

John Brewer

May 26th, 2009
5:36 pm

I did not think Vick was a good QB when he was here but he does deserve to make a living.He did the crime and the time now leave him alone. PETA needs to get real– they were dogs.I would not bring him back to Atlanta as a QB but maybe as a running back.

Rod

May 26th, 2009
7:29 pm

I can’t believe some of these comments I am reading about this man like he murdered humans or something.I see this is really about Vick status as a GREAT Q-BACK in the NFL who just happened to be BLACK. The man payed his debt to society and they took his money what else yall, YEAH YALL want the man to do? Only GOD can JUDGE.The Falcons are making a BIG mistake just watch and see.

Rod

May 26th, 2009
7:48 pm

MV as a RB or a WR PLEASE! A lot of QB’s in the NFL are not better than Vick so what position should they be playing?

cdog

May 26th, 2009
11:58 pm

the falcons should be in a gravy train position to welcome michael vick back. look at it from a team stand point. talent like vick added to the already talent would be superbowl bound. i wish al davis owned the falcons. he would be looking at wins and not hate or racism that blanks and the orgaization is showing in this situation

Vick Supporter

May 27th, 2009
11:33 pm

back when falcons football was worth a damn

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap?gid=20030104009

Vick 09. The Great Mike Vick Has Returned

John Smith

May 28th, 2009
11:11 am

Mr Blank,Why Don’t You Get Out Of Football And Go Do Soming You No How To Do.???

John Smith

May 28th, 2009
5:40 pm

Mr Blank Said that Vick want ever be a Falcons,So all you Vick fans don’t go see the Falcons,NO FANS NO FALCONS,That good,no fans no Falcons.

John Smith

May 29th, 2009
7:33 am

2009 will be a let down,just like all the other one,Oh I for got we got the new bird this year,Bird don’t win ball games,Blank take your NEW BIRDS and get out of GEORGIA.

Alice

May 29th, 2009
8:34 am

If he under performs can we slam him to the ground or electrocute him? His failures should be measured the way he and the others measured the dogs performances.

Alice

May 29th, 2009
8:36 am

And really the people who are saying they are dog lovers would never agree with what he did or get over it. Stop lying, it’s pathetic.

Fred

May 29th, 2009
11:29 am

Alice do you ask that question of all dog breeders or owners of horses bred for racing or greyhounds bred for racing? Nope you don’t…because you don’t care. All of them kill those that won’t make them a profit. Those animals are property, and you don’t care because its really not about that anyway now is it?

Native Son

May 30th, 2009
8:33 am

The perceived notion that Vick was a horrible passer is “Lu-Diculous”. Everyone that watched, either saw his line break down, forcing him to scramble, or receivers dropping passes that they clearly must have been catching while in practice, or note that Mora’s offense (boot leg)was always the option to run. That being said, He looked like a heck uv’ a QB in Reeves’s system. His ultimate gift, was that when he played, they always had a shot at winning, and he was a defensive nightmare for opposing teams.

On the topic of his crime, it seems there is a perpetual check-mate. So we all should agree, to disagree, and marvel at the fact, that we watched an athletic phenom here in Atlanta. I think, truly; that the argument is a cultural one(dog fighting – not ethnicity)that we have not yet evolved enough as humanity to rationally discuss this event.

With an attempt at being humorous, I hope that lookoing through bars to focus, is a lot like trying to throw through a tire. You just may never know. I do know that I’d like to see him play again, I’d like him to play well against our Falcons, but I’d darn sure want “Our” Birds to win.

Native Son

May 30th, 2009
8:47 am

Native Son

May 30th, 2009
8:48 am

It seems my post is in pergatory

Native Son

May 30th, 2009
9:15 am

Okay already, I agree. NO; WAIT, WAIITT!!, WAAIIITTTT!!! I must be in the front row!

Joey Porter

May 30th, 2009
9:47 am

hey alice. there was nothing wrong with what he did to those dogs all you have to do is find out why he went to jail. It had nothing to do with dogfighting or killing dogs.

50% of the people in america are dumb.

John Smith

June 12th, 2009
8:06 pm

Well I SEE the stupid Falcons did it,so this will be a let down year just like the other,Blank why dont you get out of football and go do some thing you know how to do,I know a good name for the Falcons,Stupid Birds……

John Smith

June 15th, 2009
1:57 pm

Matt Ryan will never be the QB that Michael Vick is,the years that Vick play for the Falcons,He never had a offense to help him,and his passes receiver did not know how to get open,that why he had to runn so much,and the Falcons has never had a defense that was good,They can not do any thing with a good football team…..

Jim bird

June 16th, 2009
3:59 pm

HELLLLLL NO! Hang ‘em!

John Smith

June 18th, 2009
9:59 am

The new birds will be the laughing stock of the NFL thia year,

John Smith

June 25th, 2009
2:55 pm

I think the 2009 Atlanta Falcons,Season will go like this..
NFC South Teams
Carolina Panthers
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
New Oreans Saints
Atlanta Falcons
This is the way I look at the 2009 season..
What do you fan think…….

John Smith

June 26th, 2009
7:09 am

Don’t you no that the Falcons Coaching Staff,,Hate to see the season start,,They know they don’t have what it take to be #one,,On me them
STUPID BIRDS……..

#7 ALLWAYS BE A FALCON

July 22nd, 2009
6:07 pm

WE MISS YOU HERE IN THE atl YOU MADE FALCON FOOTBALL WORTH WATCHING. CANT WAIT TO SEE YOU PLAY. PLEASE GET WITH A GOOD TEAM. OFFENSE LINE IS BETTER NOW THEY NEVER HAD A PRO BOWLER ON THE LINE WHEN YOU PLAY HERE THEY WERE SORRY. WE STILL LOVE YOU MAN!!!! OLD SEASON TICKET HOLDER

cookie

July 28th, 2009
11:56 pm

M.V. wont last with another team.people are to incentive.He paid his dues but folk wont forgive him. We need to bring M.J. home to start over, hes being pushed out there really on his on. Forgive the man and bring him home.

Kellycgh

February 8th, 2010
5:05 pm

very useful read. I would love to follow you on twitter. By the way, did any one learn that some chinese hacker had hacked twitter yesterday again.