Gattis, Graham among spring training non-roster invitees

Left field hopeful Evan Gattis and a top pitching prospect J.R. Graham are among the 21 non-roster invitees the Braves will bring to spring training when camp opens in early February – a list the club announced Thursday.

Gattis made quite a splash with his spring training invitation last season, raising eyebrows among Braves teammates and manager Fredi Gonzalez with his home run-hitting prowess. He will look to continue the work he started in winter ball, hitting 16 home runs in Venezuela. He has a chance to make the Braves bench as a potential part-time left fielder and backup catcher.

This will be the first time in big league camp for Graham, the right-hander with a mid-to-upper 90s fastball who was named the Braves organizational pitcher of the year for 2012 in September.

Also among the first-time invitees are last year’s second round pick from the University of Georgia left-hander Alex Wood, standout shortstop from the University of Connecticut Nick Ahmed and third baseman Joe Leonard, a third-round pick in 2010 from the University of Pittsburgh. The list also includes former Cub Blake DeWitt, the utility infielder who signed a minor league deal with the Braves in December.

Left-hander Sean Gilmartin, the Braves first round pick in 2011 out of FSU, returns to camp where he made three appearances last spring including one start. He went 1-0 with a 3.00 ERA, allowing two runs in six innings. He’s likely to open the season in Triple-A but could find his way to the majors before the season is through.

The complete list includes nine pitchers: left-hander Ryan Buchter, left-hander Yohan Flande, Gilmartin, Graham, left-hander Dusty Hughes, right-hander Wirfin Obispo, left-hander Daniel Rodriguez, right-hander Gus Schlosser and Wood.

Six catchers: Luis De La Cruz, Gattis, Matt Kennelly, Matt Pagnozzi, Braeden Schlehuber and Jose Yepez. Three-infielders: Ahmed, DeWitt and Leonard. Three-outfielders: Todd Cunningham, Joe Terdoslavich and Jordan Parraz.

Braves pitchers and catchers are scheduled to report to Lake Buena Vista Fla. on Monday, Feb. 11, with position players to follow on Thursday, Feb. 14.

Fan club to honor Chipper

The Braves 400 Fan Club will honor Chipper Jones at their annual winter banquet on Jan. 26 at the Atlanta Marriott Perimeter Center.

The reception will begin with a silent auction and memorabilia raffle at 5 p.m., with an awards dinner and program to follow at 6:30 p.m. Tickets are $70 for members and $75 for non-members. The deadline for purchasing tickets is Jan. 20.

For more information, go to www.braves400.org.

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Birdhair

January 10th, 2013
3:39 pm

Wes Jorga

January 10th, 2013
3:41 pm

They are listing Terdo as an outfielder?

cornjolio

January 10th, 2013
3:42 pm

Gotta pull for Gattis or Schafer will get the LF job !

Go Evan !

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BravesFanInNashville

January 10th, 2013
3:55 pm

I would love to know for all of you who are asking for Wren to be fired who you would hire to replace him?

Would you hire one of the GM’s away from the 20 teams that didn’t make the playoffs? The teams that didn’t win 90 games much less 94?

Would you hire one of the GM’s away who won more than 94 Games but didn’t play in the WS either?
Would you hire an unproven guy with no track record?
The only one that would make you guys happy is Sabean from SF and he’s not leaving to come to Atlanta.

Wren has done his job. He put a team on the field that was in position to advance deep into the playoffs and his future Hall Of Fame 3B had a game he’d like to forget about. It happens even great players like Chipper can have a bad game.

One more time Wren did his job… and on a budget…

Bud

January 10th, 2013
4:01 pm

32 days til pitchers and catchers report; GO BRAVES!!

cornjolio

January 10th, 2013
4:10 pm

“I would love to know for all of you who are asking for Wren to be fired who you would hire to replace him?” – BravesFanInNashville

Who was Frank Wren before John Schuerholz hired him as an assistant? What was his claim to fame ?

How many divisions has Wren won as Braves’ GM (since 2008): ZERO

He can be replaced and it does not have to be with a big name. GMs get fired all the time; ask Mr Schuerholz about that when he bankrupted Kansas City with his foolish moves.

cornjolio

January 10th, 2013
4:14 pm

“Wren did his job… and on a budget…”

Derek Lowe. Kinchen Kawakami. Nate McLouth. Dan Uggla.

Not exactly great acquisitions. Their salaries have been an albatross on this organization the past few years. Fortunately, 3 of the 4 are off the payroll.

If Upton does not at the least put up his career averages in 2013 Mr Wren should resign or start clearing his desk @ Turner Field.

BravesFanInNashville

January 10th, 2013
4:14 pm

cornjolio……… wow…. so in one sentence you talk about Wren winning ZERO divisions for the Braves yet in another sentence you talk about the guy who won 14 straight divisions which has NEVER been done in ANY sport and say his foolish moves got him fired from his last job. In other words if you were in charge you certainly wouldn’t have hired Schuerholz to come to Atlanta because he just bankrupted KC….. Glad to know your not in charge…

Frodo

January 10th, 2013
4:20 pm

“Wren has done his job. He put a team on the field that was in position to advance deep into the playoffs” – WRONG! He absolutely did not put a team on the field that could advance deep in the playoffs. They were destined to go out early. Vegas and everyone else knew this from day one after game 162. You obviously obvisouly have trouble judging overall team talentj. And, why do people always ask “well who would you hire then to replace him?” or “Who would you have hired if not Wren? wahhh wahh” That’s not my job to decide. I don’t know. I will tell you that the guy we have now is running this organization into the ground with his ridiculous, lack of true player analysis, spending. FIRE WREN! Don’t care about division titles Nashville. I want a WS. First we need to win a playoff series. BTW: That wasn’t the playoffs last year DOB. That was the “play in” game. Bye Bye.

CT

January 10th, 2013
4:22 pm

I agree. I sit in cube all day, with my sleeves rolled up, fuming about the moves this guy Wren makes. Get rid of him.

Rick C

January 10th, 2013
4:28 pm

Frodo, you may disagree, but the WC games are playoff games by MLB rules.

BravesFanInNashville

January 10th, 2013
4:29 pm

Wren had no choice but to overpay for Lowe. Burnett just signed with the Yankees for $72 Million and the Yankees wanted Lowe too. At the time Lowe had a better career W/L record and much better ground ball ratio than Burnett so he was a better choice to pitch in Turner Field. Burnett wasn’t worth the money the Yankees paid him either but they didn’t fire Cashman over it.

Kawakami was a risk but there were scouts that insisted he was the Greg Maddux of Japan because of his control and under 3.00 ERA lifetime in Japan. The bigger baseball in the US was a much bigger issue than anyone thought and that affected how he pitched here. Boston never got the value out of Dice-K either and they paid a total of over $100 million because of the $51 Million dollar posting fee just to negotiate with him. They didn’t fire Theo over that one either. At least the Braves only risked $27 Million on KK and that was only because the Braves had Hudson on the DL with surgery and Glavine and Smoltz were done. We had Hanson and JJ and that was it for the rotation.

Wren HAD to get at least 2 starters that he thought could help. He couldn’t afford to pay for Burnett and lots of analysts said the Braves ended up with the best pitcher available that year in Lowe. It’s a tough job. Damned if you do damned if you don’t. If he hadn’t signed Lowe who would have pitched and been our best pitcher down the stretch the first two years we had him?

Uggla looked like a good trade and sign at the time. No one saw this kind of fall off from a guy that had 5 straight seasons of close to 30Hr and 90Rbi. If you’re saying you saw this coming I don’t believe you.

We didn’t trade a lot to get McClouth and his contract looked like a steal when we first got him. There isn’t a team in baseball that doesn’t have stories about players who looked really promising and then went the other way. I can name dozens for you just off the top of my head..

You guys talk like this is so easy.

Vernon Oneal

January 10th, 2013
4:29 pm

Hey everyone. I’m from Nashville. I’m a stump.

BravesFanInNashville

January 10th, 2013
4:31 pm

Frado …… that wasn’t the playoffs it was the play in….. As DOB just commented on the same statement from someone else. Whatever you say!

BravesFanInNashville

January 10th, 2013
4:32 pm

wow lot’s of nice people on this blog today..

cornjolio

January 10th, 2013
4:34 pm

“yet in another sentence you talk about the guy who won 14 straight divisions which has NEVER been done in ANY sport and say his foolish moves got him fired from his last job.” – BravesFanInNashville

ONE World Series Championship. That’s what I remember with great pride and greater memories.

Outside of Atlanta, nobody remembers their divisional “championships”. Its the big dance that counts.

As for Schuerholz his “genius” dried up when Ted Turner lost control of the Braves, and JS didn’t have access to Ted’s bottomless wallet anymore.

Schuerholz’s final move was to give away the farm for Mark Teixeira, whom he knew full well was not going to stay in Atlanta for the old “hometown discount”. JD Drew didsn’t do it; neither did Teixeira.

There has not been a World Series in Atlanta since 1999; no division “championship” since 2005.

Frank Wren is not the man for this job. Other teams in recent years have reached the World Series on comparable or smaller payrolls. It can be done.

2hot scott

January 10th, 2013
4:35 pm

Random dumb question of the day…

Why do the Braves / Fox Sports not broadcast minor leagues baseball games? For the true Braves fan, I think this would be must watch TV in constrast to the “reality” shows that seem to be growing like weeds. Even if it was on a delay basis, I would watch, because then you get to see the future Braves.

BravesFanInNashville

January 10th, 2013
4:36 pm

conjolio… your the one who mentioned ZERO division championships not me. I was just responding to your own words…

Bravo Uno

January 10th, 2013
4:36 pm

BravesFanInNashville ,

Frank Wren’s mama shouldn’t be on this blog; she might read things that could make her uncomfortable.

Go bake some cookies!

TexasBravesFan

January 10th, 2013
4:38 pm

I hate Liberty Mutual and Frank Wren as our owners and CEO…. we have three big contracts come off the books (Chipper, Bourne and Lowe) plus we have new TV money and the revenue share money coming in and all we do is sign one new player. We now suppose to be excited about the fact that Wren (who is witless) is excited about going to spring training with a bunch of 3rd string guys or non-proven promising guys? So they mkae more money, give us the fans nothing but more of the same crap we have gotten over the last several years… “I think we will be OK with what we have” only to flounder when one guy gets hurt or has a bad year… And we are suppose to remain excited about our chances as we see all of division foes try and do something… anything. This is really a real crappy time to be a Braves fan and I was one way back in the days when all we had was Bob Horner and Dale Murphy to cheer for… at least then we knew what we had and there was no false promises being made to any of us! I don’t hate FW the man… but I hate the combination of Liberty and FW…. the combination of the two make me sick as a real Braves baseball fan. We never do anything exciting and now we are sitting on money that we all know we have… but then lie more than Obama does by saying we are going to be OK with what we have! At least Obama lies so far as to say, we won’t take more from you than what we feel we need! I cannot even be made for the moves you because for the last 2 years you have done nothing to imrpove the club… you keep trying to patch from within a system that has no fielders and absoultely no hitters… But while the Nats make trades, we make words…. this really sucks.

Coach (2013, Is the future now?)

January 10th, 2013
4:39 pm

Meanwhile the Cubbies just snatched up Brent Lillibridge (minor league contract), while our 40 man consists of the likes of Jose Constanza and Ramiro Pena. So my confidence level in Frank Wrens roster construction abilities just went down a few notches………….

BravesFanInNashville

January 10th, 2013
4:42 pm

Still no answers on who the Braves should hire as a GM to replace Wren…

BravesFanInNashville

January 10th, 2013
4:46 pm

Bravo Uno…. why can’t people post their opinions about a team we all seem to like enough to follow throughout the winter without folks getting nasty?

I’m not putting anyone else down I’m just asking if you guys dislike Wren so much who would do a better job in your eyes?

Fair question…

Frank Wren

January 10th, 2013
4:47 pm

Evan Gattis and Jordan Schafer will be given every opportunity this spring to win the LF job.

I’m going on the cheap in LF so that I can use our remaining money to extend Brian McCann’s contract another 5 years, in the $15 -20 million a season range. Between that and Uggla’s remaining three years, that should doom the Braves to mediocrity for the rest of this decade.

Play ball !

Angel Eyes

January 10th, 2013
4:47 pm

Fire Wren let BravesFanIn Nashville be GM Braves still lose.

Bravo Uno

January 10th, 2013
4:52 pm

“I’m not putting anyone else down I’m just asking if you guys dislike Wren so much who would do a better job in your eyes?” – BravesFanInNashville

The major & minor leagues are full of young, creative minds waiting for an opportunity to do Frank Wren’s job. They are not household names. Whoever heard of Frank Wren before he got his current job?

I predict when attendance @ Turner Field slips, and with Chipper’s farewell tour over, it will, Liberty Media will be rolling heads.

Angel Eyes

January 10th, 2013
4:57 pm

We need somebody who will get us some offense. Anybody is better than we got.

Luman Harris

January 10th, 2013
5:01 pm

Hmmm, not one candidate to replace Wren … except perhaps all the geniuses on this blog!
(eye roll)

BravesFanInNashville

January 10th, 2013
5:01 pm

Angel Eyes……. Never said or thought I could do the job of GM.. I’ve stated many times it’s tough job because since you don’t have a crystal ball not every move you make will work out no matter how much homework goes into it.

Case in point the Nat’s decide to shut down Strasburg for the end of the year thinking long term. What if the Nat’s never go to the WS and last year might have been their best shot.. Lot’s of fans in DC are questioning that move because who knows if Strasburg had pitched 2 games a series in the post season they might have won it all.

If the Nat’s don’t win the WS within the next 3 or 4 years that decision is going to look even more questionable. Of course if they do win they’ll look like geniuses but how do you know now?

Same city… the decision to play RGIII looks really bad right now..

Luman Harris

January 10th, 2013
5:04 pm

Texas – This is a crappy time to be a Braves fan??/ Really???
We have four of the top 25 players in all of baseball (according to Keith Law) …. the future is bright, bright, bright …. and you are in misery?
I feel sorry for you, dude.

Angel Eyes

January 10th, 2013
5:05 pm

Anybody that will do something instead of sitting on his duff and draw his money would be better. We need OFFENSE NOW!!!!

Bravo Uno

January 10th, 2013
5:06 pm

I guess Frank Wren is irreplaceable.

More second place finishes on the horizon …

BravesFanInNashville

January 10th, 2013
5:07 pm

Luman Harris… Thank you….finally somebody on here that is happy to be a Braves fan! I see it like you do they have a bright future and the next few years are going to be fun to watch..

Luman Harris

January 10th, 2013
5:07 pm

Angel – why do we need it now? spring training doesn’t start for another month, real games not til April.

Just the facts

January 10th, 2013
5:09 pm

“We have four of the top 25 players in all of baseball (according to Keith Law) ”

Who are they?

Bravothusiast

January 10th, 2013
5:09 pm

Every GM makes decisions that turn out to be the wrong one in the end. But the simple fact that Fredi is still manager is grounds for firing Wren IMO.

BravesFanInNashville

January 10th, 2013
5:09 pm

Bravo Uno…… you missed the point… if you think Wren is doing a terrible job who would you replace him with? Still not one person has come up with a name, they just want to complain about Wren.

Luman Harris

January 10th, 2013
5:13 pm

Bravoenthusiast – and what exactly have Fredi and Frank done to deserve being fired? Other than taking a team with a middle-of-the-pack payroll to the playoffs, while teams with bigger stars, bigger payrolls fell short?

Bravothusiast

January 10th, 2013
5:13 pm

Top 25 under the age of 25 per Kieth Law – J-Hey #3, Freddie #19, Simmons #21, Kimbrel #23.

Angel Eyes

January 10th, 2013
5:17 pm

@Luman Harris If you don’t get them now they will be gone!! @BravesFanINNashville Answer: Anybody that will get us OFFENSE!!!

Bravothusiast

January 10th, 2013
5:19 pm

IMO Fredi is a terrible in game manager. He can’t set a lineup to save his life and makes bone head small ball moves in all the wrong places. Small ball is fine if you employ the strategy correctly, Fredi does not. Props to him for not running our bullpen into the ground last year, but any manager should have been able to make that correction. And Wren deserves to be fired for not firing Fredi, IMO.

Luman Harris

January 10th, 2013
5:22 pm

Yet, Fredi managed to win 94 games last year. Amazing that a boneheaded idiot could pull off such a feat. Just amazing.

Bravo Uno

January 10th, 2013
5:30 pm

Fredi won’t win 94 games in 2013. Chipper’s gone; Bourn is gone; Beachy out most of the season. McCann will miss at least the first month. The Uggla factor.

83 games tops

BravesFanInNashville

January 10th, 2013
5:34 pm

Luman Harris…. yes he won 95 games last year and did it with a team that had a 3B that had to sit 1/3 of the year a catcher that couldn’t take a full swing at the ball after the all-star break a pitcher that was leading the league in ERA around 2.00 lost for the season to TJ surgery, a CF who was brilliant first half and then ran out of gas and did next to nothing in August and September a promising SS that went down for over 6 weeks with an injury and Ventors suddenly lost his way and couldn’t contribute like he was used to. Then to add on Uggla was so bad he had to be benched for a while because his severe uppercut hit nothing but air most of the time and Hanson who won 12 games early went home for the summer in August and JJ was a non factor. Other than that Fredi had it easy and should have won them all.

I for one agree that I am not a big believer in Fredi’s in game decision making. But he did get a lot better from the year before. I personally prefer a strategist like Bochy that plays the game right so I get the heat on Fredi from the fans. The truth is though he did a lot with the cards he had to play last year.

BravesFanInNashville

January 10th, 2013
5:35 pm

94 games sorry

Atlanta Brave in Bama

January 10th, 2013
5:35 pm

Is Cory Rasmus still invited to spring training?

Luman Harris

January 10th, 2013
5:38 pm

Nashville –
I agree, there are always plenty of in-game decisions – by any manager – for fans to find fault with. It’s part of the beauty of baseball, IMO.
But you can’t really argue with results. 94 wins from that roster is a heck of a job.

goski99

January 10th, 2013
5:40 pm

WOW! Shocking how little some people in this town know about baseball. The Braves has very good YOUNG pitching talent both starting and in the pen. The have very good young position players in critical positions. This is how you build a winner (and they are fun to watch play). Would you rather watch the Pirates, Cubs or Mets???

goski99

January 10th, 2013
5:43 pm

can Angel Eyes POSSIBLY be as dumb as her posts are?

braveslover

January 10th, 2013
5:44 pm

Just heard a rumor that Uggla is dedicated himself to not striking out so much this year. He’s going to give $100 for every strike out to charity. Now that’s manning up. Think he will stick with that? Season might look a lot brighter without his 180 strikeouts. Even half that gives him and the team a big boost and his charity a nice check.

Rick C

January 10th, 2013
5:46 pm

“Fredi won’t win 94 games in 2013. Chipper’s gone; Bourn is gone; Beachy out most of the season. McCann will miss at least the first month. The Uggla factor.”

Last year Chipper was a part time player, Bourn did almost nothing in the second half, and Beachy was out most of the season.

Angel Eyes

January 10th, 2013
5:48 pm

@goski99.. Not a her. Thanks for nothing. If I am so dumb. Tell me hoe pitching scores runs.. I am a Dude. Are you a girl.

Braves1

January 10th, 2013
5:50 pm

If you guys don’t like anything the Braves do then why don’t you just go like another team.

Birdhair

January 10th, 2013
5:51 pm

The problems begin with ownership. They don’t care what Wren does as long as he meets the budget. If ownership cared they would have spent $5M of that $23M that we had to spend this offseason on the best GM in baseball, Andrew Friedman. Well, actually they would have fired Wren three years ago. But anyway, Friedman would represent the best $5M spent in the past 5 years.

Frank Wren clearly doesn’t value OBP, doesnt spend wisely, and employs a failing draft director.

Frank Wren can’t even win a playoff series. He walked into a gold mind with Chipper, Heyward, Freeman, Hudson, Medlen, Hanson (until he started stinking), Brian McCann!

Michael Bourn had 1 decent half and then he was garbage. (He even reverted below his career mean OBP in the second half). Dan Uggla? Kenshin Kawakami? Derek Lowe?

When you spend millions of dollars poorly, especially given a middle market budget, you inhibit the team’s flexibility exponentially.

And now BJ Upton? I think many Braves fans will finally begin to wake up and smell the coffee. Ive been saying it for 3 years. Wren is killing us and should be fired immediately.

BravesFanInNashville

January 10th, 2013
5:57 pm

Rick C… exactly…. we’re only talking about replacing 14HR and 62 RBI.. He only played in 112 games so he sat almost 1/3 of the season. Upton will give us more stability and instant offensive potential from CF than Bourn. Upton can will a game with a HR and can steal a base when we need it most. He has a better arm than Bourn and that will help save some runs too. I think he can run down almost any ball Bourn gets to. Medlen will be here all year to replace what we lose in Beachy until July or so. I don’t see the drop off that people are so worried about. Uggla can’t be as bad two years in a row after having 6 productive seasons. He’s going to be better than last year. Our pitching will keep us in almost every game and Heyward and Freeman and Simmons are going to get better and better.

BravesFanInNashville

January 10th, 2013
5:59 pm

Braves1….. exactly.. if you’re a true fan get behind your team and if not go root for a team that’s winning until they start to lose and then find another bandwagon to jump on..

Jimmy Crack

January 10th, 2013
6:01 pm

Joe Terdoslavich. That kid absolutely has to be good.

Birdhair

January 10th, 2013
6:04 pm

I agree with the comments at 4:20 above by Frodo. Every critical thinking fan dang well knew that this team was not built to win anything in October.

That game against the Cardinals was a play-in game, not a playoff series.

Wren doesn’t even win the division anymore. Heck, he hasn’t even won a playoff series. 2 years from now, Wren will not have won a playoff series, but Bravesfaninashville will say, “hey we won 85 games, not bad!”

Obee

January 10th, 2013
6:04 pm

Medlen if healthy will win as many games as Greinke.

BravesFanInNashville

January 10th, 2013
6:07 pm

Luman Harris…. not only do we have 4 of the top 25 players under 25 years old Keith Law also mentioned that Mike Minor just missed the age cutoff or he would have been on the list too.

No other team had more than 2 on the list. The Oriole’s, Cubs, Royals, Nats and Rays had two each which with the Braves 4 takes up 14 of the top 2 spots split among 6 teams. That means 24 teams had one or less of those players. I think Frank Wren and the Braves front office and scouts deserve some credit for putting us in that position. We came within a few months with Minor’s birthday of have 5 of the top 25 or 20% of the best players under 25 in all of baseball. That’s getting it done.

Angel Eyes

January 10th, 2013
6:07 pm

@BravesFanInNashville In what yr did they win it all. I rest my case. They are a bunch of losers and will be as long as they have Wren.

Brava

January 10th, 2013
6:08 pm

The problems begin with ownership. They don’t care what Wren does as long as he meets the budget. If ownership cared they would have spent $5M of that $23M that we had to spend this offseason on the best GM in baseball, Andrew Friedman. Well, actually they would have fired Wren three years ago. But anyway, Friedman would represent the best $5M spent in the past 5 years.

Didn’t realize the Rays were willing to let Friedman go. In fact, I’m pretty sure they aren’t. The grass is always greener over the fence, isn’t it Birdhair?

Frank Wren can’t even win a playoff series. He walked into a gold mind with Chipper,…

That’s right, Frank Wren can’t win a playoff series because he isn’t a player. Heck, I was at the one-game playoff (a farce) and watched as Chipper threw what should have been a routine double play into right field over the head of Uggla. That was the beginning of the game unraveling in a horrendous way. Do you really blame that on Frank Wren? I blame the players who were on the field that night.

It’s disingenuous to sit here and criticize the moves Wren has made after the fact. As BravesFanInNashville pointed out, Wren is hardly the first GM to sign players who didn’t pan out. He’s built teams that have been in contention on the last day of the season. There aren’t a lot of GMs who do that consistently.

Bravo Uno

January 10th, 2013
6:10 pm

Birdhair makes complete sense.

cornjolio

January 10th, 2013
6:12 pm

” He’s built teams that have been in contention on the last day of the season. There aren’t a lot of GMs who do that consistently.” – Brava

2010 & 2012. Is that consistant?

Birdhair

January 10th, 2013
6:13 pm

Fans like BravesFanInNashville are homers and want to be acknowledged by the media for their “positive outlook” comments.

It’s the media and fans like him who help to support the mediocrity. Do you think DOB would ever provide a critical analysis of Wren? No! He wants to keep his job. Same for Bowman. They are homers just like Mark Bradley.

Two years from now, Wren will be 0 for 7 in the playoff series win category. How long can you support this idiotic, incompetent, imbecile of a GM?

Brava

January 10th, 2013
6:14 pm

I agree with the comments at 4:20 above by Frodo. Every critical thinking fan dang well knew that this team was not built to win anything in October.

Bull. What did the Braves in during the WC game was their defense. That was one of their biggest strengths all season. No one could have foreseen that. They were favored to and should have won that game.

Brava

January 10th, 2013
6:15 pm

cornjolio, they lost the WC on the last day in 2011, if I’m not mistaken.

Angel Eyes

January 10th, 2013
6:18 pm

Lot of difference in being in contention and winning it all.. Wren, Gonzalez both losers. Team is built on piching and defense. That’s OK but need OFFENSE NOW!!!

Brava

January 10th, 2013
6:19 pm

Fans like BravesFanInNashville are homers and want to be acknowledged by the media for their “positive outlook” comments.,/em>

Do you really believe the stuff you write? Do you believe “the media” comes on boards such as this one to find “positive outlook” comments? If so, what do they do with them? I haven’t seen any articles written about them. It must be a secret conspiracy that I’m not in on.

Birdhair

January 10th, 2013
6:20 pm

Angel Eyes, I think Fredi has actually done a fairly good job considering the B.S. players that Wren has given him.

Brava

January 10th, 2013
6:23 pm

Angel Eyes,

You keep saying we need OFFENSE NOW! Who do you propose Wren gets to fill this need? I’m of the opinion we need a high OBP leadoff hitter, rather than another slugger, but I’d love to hear your thoughts on the matter.

Birdhair

January 10th, 2013
6:24 pm

Do you support a win total or do you demand playoff series wins and shots at world series titles?

If you want mediocrity then continue to support Wren.

If you want to talk about payroll constraint issues then I will rip you to shreds on that topic. Wren can’t spend the $ that he has wisely. He’s complete garbage.

kral

January 10th, 2013
6:28 pm

your right hairy bird..to bad we were not like the yankees..they got past first round..or angels who broke the bank..oops no play-off…phillies…injuries did’em in..maybe..oh if we would have bought all that the dodgers did ..oops they watched a giant beehind

Angel Eyes

January 10th, 2013
6:29 pm

@Brava You are absolutely correct. We got enough of those so called sluggers who KO. We need a Bourn or Fowler. Someone who is a high OBP hitter not PITCHER.

Birdhair

January 10th, 2013
6:31 pm

Hmm, Baltimore, Cincy, Oakland had payrolls less than ours last year. Hmm, yeah totally blame the ownership. We need new ownership AND a competent GM

Brava

January 10th, 2013
6:33 pm

Birdhair, it is a fact that the proper win total is what will get you into the post season. I hate the one- game WC crap and think it’s the biggest farce MLB could have come up with, but it is what it is.

I certainly don’t want mediocrity and that’s not what the Braves have given us the past few years. You want to whine? Become a fan of the Cubs, Astros, Marlins or any of the other bottom dwellers.

Am I disappointed that Wren wasn’t more aggressive in getting us a LF? Heck yes! I loved Shin Soo Choo and thought he would have been perfect to fill this team’s needs. But, I also didn’t want to see him make a deal that would give away the farm or cause us to overpay for a player that wouldn’t have any impact on the team. I don’t think he’s stopped shopping, but if he doesn’t find the right deal, it’s not the end of the world. We’re sitting pretty good with what we have.

Brava

January 10th, 2013
6:35 pm

Angel Eyes, I agree with you on our needs.

BravesFanInNashville

January 10th, 2013
6:37 pm

Birdhair… first of all don’t even want to think about what your screen name means. Secondly I could care less if media reads this or not. I for one appreciate this blog and the work the writers do to put this up here for us. It’s a privilege not a right in my mind to get to do this. Just because is see the future of this team as being bright and appreciate the position Wren has put this team in doesn’t mean you should be a total jerk about it. I see the Wren/Gonzalez thing the opposite of you. I think Wren has done a better job than Fredi but Fredi is getting better. So we disagree who cares. I’m not going to call you a homer because you think Fredi is doing a great job. It’s your opinion and your entitled to it without me being a jerk towards you…

TexasBravesFan

January 10th, 2013
6:41 pm

@LumanHarris…. we lost in the first game of the playoffs YES it is a crappy time…. How many of the top prospects really pan out? You are crazy if you think a major league team can win in the age of Free Agency…. Not many mid-market teams consistently win championships by only building from within! that is what we are spending money like… a mid-market team! Heck even Pittsburg is trying to sign FAs where we are Your condensending dribble fails to register with most of the intelligent Braves basball fans when we have more than $10 million below last year’s compensation level and the GM tells us that we are going to go with a lifetime minor leaguer, a PED abuser and a Yen master as our starting left fielders… While the Nats have traded for a starting CF and now have 4 outfielders that can hit for power and average and can steal bases…. So take your all knowing ignorance and go play on 285 between powers ferry and 75 at 5PM…. As to your top propsects in baseball statement…. well jerk master… they are all pitchers… when do we develop any other talent… afterall, I was talking about LF and leadoff hitters not our pitching… crap, we have enough talent there to make a trade and Wrennie has even done that either! I still rest my case that it is a poor time to be a Braves fan…. that being said…. I am still a Braves fan and as such i reserve the right to express my opinon on this blog or any other!

Angel Eyes

January 10th, 2013
6:41 pm

@BravesFanInNashville Nothing against you but IMO they are both losers. They have never won a division They have never been to WS. That makes both of them losers.

kral

January 10th, 2013
6:42 pm

I do not think he has stopped shopping either..time will tell about our needs…and maybe there will be some good possibilities..to add..

cornjolio

January 10th, 2013
6:42 pm

BravesFanInNashville,

Are you really Frank Wren’s mom?

Birdhair

January 10th, 2013
6:42 pm

And Brava, I wanted Choo, I want Brett Gardner, I want Chase Headley…..
Might take a flier on Alex Gordon. See if you can pry away Adam Eaton from Dbacks.

Wren should have made a huge play for Headley at deadline this past season. I called for it. Check the blogs.

We need high OBP hitters so that we can score runs. We just lost Chipper. One of the big problems is that Wren clearly does not value high OBP hitters. BJ Upton was a HUGE mistake.

Yes, all of the players that I mentioned above would require a trade. Another problem. Wren employs a failing draft director so we don’t have a lot of depth in the cupboard to trade from.

So, I suggest trading from our strength, and that’s pitching. We clearly need high OBP hitters. Signing BJ was a critical mistake.

Bobby Cox

January 10th, 2013
6:45 pm

I’ve been watching Jordan Schafer in the simulated games. He’s been tearing the hide off the ball. Reminds me of spring training back in ‘09.

Greg Walker has turned him loose in the batting cage. Just a few simple adjustments were needed.

Time for another drink …

Brava

January 10th, 2013
6:47 pm

Birdhair, I can’t really disagree with you. I didn’t like the Upton signing, either, and am trying to be optimistic about it and, at least, give the guy a chance.

kral

January 10th, 2013
6:51 pm

yes the nats have surpassed us…actually think they had the best team..last year..even without the stras..but a poor time to be a Braves fan was in ‘72…

Brava

January 10th, 2013
6:52 pm

Bobby Cox, if only…. I’d love to see Jordan get his act together and be the player we once thought he’d be, but I don’t seriously see it happening.

TexasBravesFan

January 10th, 2013
6:53 pm

Bird head… btw those teams you mentioned.. Cincy, Baltimore and oakland… have not been consistently in the playoffs either so i rally hope that you don’t want the Braves to model themselves after thsoe teams… heck at least you see Baltimore mentioned in the rumor machine for more trades… all we hear from Wrennie is that he is excited about how things looked in Panama…. exciting for us all!

BravesFanInNashville

January 10th, 2013
6:54 pm

cornjolio….. so explain how posting facts about having 4 of the top 25 players under 25 in the game and almost having 5 if Minor were a few months younger and thinking that a good thing makes me Wren’s mom..? I can disagree with you about your opinions without insulting you over it. I’d appreciate the same respect back from you.

Brava

January 10th, 2013
6:54 pm

kral, I also think the Nats are a better team and it will be tough for us to win the Division, but I don’t think it’s impossible.

Birdhair

January 10th, 2013
6:54 pm

BJ Upton has had an avg OBP of .309 since ‘09. Do you remember how frustrating Alex Gonzalez was? So what about catching the ball in center. He will prob catch a couple of more balls. Big deal in the grand scheme. A few more solo homers? C’mon. His lack of OBP production will really help to stifle us.

TexasBravesFan

January 10th, 2013
6:56 pm

@ Kral… and I was a Braves fan in ‘72 so i feel that I have the right to speak now! Feel asleep listening to them each night on a 9V transitor radio and a one ear bud!!!!! so I am a fan!

Birdhair

January 10th, 2013
6:57 pm

No, I am just telling you that that the GMs of Cincy, Baltimore, and Oakland accomplished playoff appearances last season with payrolls less than ours. We are headed in the wrong direction. Those teams are NOT.

Brava

January 10th, 2013
6:57 pm

Yep, Birdhair, I see a LOT of strikeouts from our lineup unless Walker and Fletch can work some miracles.

Birdhair

January 10th, 2013
6:59 pm

For starters, we just replaced Chipper’s bat with BJ Upton. Lol. LF? who the hell knows

Angel Eyes

January 10th, 2013
7:05 pm

@BravesFanInNashville For the record, You and I completely disagree and have in the past. I do respect your opinion and enjoy your posts. Just so you know

TexasBravesFan

January 10th, 2013
7:05 pm

@ Bird Brain so we agree… even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then. i am saying that our payroll should go up… every team has more money due to TV contract and luxury taxes… we have even more due to terminated contracts… as we spend even less than last year and i believe that Wrennie is satified to go into ST with exactly who he has said he is escited about… he has done it before and he will do it again… then he will make a trade for someone that we will only have to .5 to 1.5 years and say look at me I tried…. right now is the time to make a trade when the asking price is more reasonable then when we NEED someone in the middle of the year… it is at that time when we make trades out of desperation rather than strength.

Birdhair

January 10th, 2013
7:13 pm

TexasBravesFan, it’s called a “Short-term solutions”. Aka Alex Gonzalez, Garrett Loaf Anderson, Juan Francisco, Troy Glaus, Melky Cabrera, Greg Norton, Paul Janish, Jack Wilson, Rick Ankiel.

Seriously, the list of losers that Wren has signed who can’t get-on base is mind-blowing.

Birdhair

January 10th, 2013
7:14 pm

And Birdhair =Mark Richt

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