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TheOnlyBravesFan
January 11th, 2013
11:06 am
Delgado would be our #1 prospect if he still was one….
success at the MLB level for him has to help his trade value more than Teheran being a top prospect who got spanked at AAA and can’t spin a curve
TheOnlyBravesFan
January 11th, 2013
11:09 am
the team is young, esp. the rotation…. 3 guys with few starts will be in the rotation next year. We can afford to send a pitcher or two out for Upton imo…. the future of the team is on the MLB roster, we can accumulate more farm depth.
Efrim
January 11th, 2013
11:09 am
David O’Brien @ajcbraves
BTW, re: Gattis: recent #Cardinals had 3 pretty good hitters who debuted at 25 or later: Freese (26), Allen Craig (25), Jon Jay (25)
Yes, but all three did come from the same team so maybe they have a knack for it. That is something I’m hoping on re: Gattis. Let’s just hope he was a late bloomer.
Efrim
January 11th, 2013
11:10 am
Delgado would be our #1 prospect if he still was one….
No, he would not.
RC
January 11th, 2013
11:13 am
Jim Duquette @Jim_Duquette
a similar package from Atl would have to include Teheran, Bethancourt, plus plus, not sure if they have enough
They got Montero…. Teheran, EOF, another pitching prospect, and maybe Peraza
EOF has one year of control left and will be fairly expensive….Furbush had 5 years left, and would be making the league minimum.
If ATL is going to work a deal, I think that Venters is a much more likely trade chip than EOF. Comparing to Seattle’s offer:
Walker > Teheran (but close)
Franklin ~ Ahmed (honestly not sure who’s higher regarded)
Furbush > Venters (when accounting for contract status)
Pryor = any of our minor league relief pitchers who are close to MLB
I think that Teheran, Ahmed, Venters, and a highly regarded pitching prospect (Spurrill?) might get it done. The real question is how much additional value do you have to add to those top 3 to make up for the difference in the top 3 offered by Seattle? I think if the Braves were to offer that package PLUS a piece, they’d be sending over the paperwork right now. But that’s a heck of a price for the Braves to pay.
Bat Masterson
January 11th, 2013
11:13 am
and can’t spin a curve
Says the spinmeister
ncscoots
January 11th, 2013
11:14 am
or anyone else not named Bethancourt or Gattis
Not much sense in keeping Gattis if they get Upton 2. Even if Gattis were to overwhelm the team and be a better and cheaper option than Upton 2 at some point, you would then have to deal with the fallout of trading one of the brothers mere minutes (relatively) after uniting them.
RC
January 11th, 2013
11:15 am
Not much sense in keeping Gattis if they get Upton 2. Even if Gattis were to overwhelm the team and be a better and cheaper option than Upton 2 at some point, you would then have to deal with the fallout of trading one of the brothers mere minutes (relatively) after uniting them.
Unless they believed that Gattis could go back to catching and possibly take over that role in Atlanta in the near future. I doubt that he could, but it’s not really my opinion that matters.
Dadgum.....
January 11th, 2013
11:16 am
If the Braves can realistically sign McCann then they may as well trade Bethancourt to get JUp. Seriously though I think the Braves have very little expectations of that happening. If the Braves complete a trade for JUp you can kiss McCann bye bye. No money left in the coffers unless the budget goes bonkers.
Bat Masterson
January 11th, 2013
11:16 am
Let’s just hope he was a late bloomer.
Well hell, he was just planted
Patrick
January 11th, 2013
11:17 am
DOB,
Do you think that a trade can be pulled off without Simmons?
It was thought the Peavy could not be had unless the Braves included Tommy Hanson, yet Towers and Wren came to an agreement.
Do you think this there is any chance?
Also, do you think in your professional opinion that Simmons is this valuable? We are talking about a legitimate potential MVP. Would you rather have Simmons or Upton? I know that definsive wunderkinds don’t grow on tree’s, but the Braves always seem to be able to find them pretty consistently. MVP’s are even harder to find and the Braves haven’t been able to find one of those since they had the #1 pick in the draft.
What do you think? What would you do?
Enquiring Minds Want To Know
January 11th, 2013
11:20 am
I can’t believe all the lust here for Justin Upton. Acquiring him would be (at least) one Upton too many.
Look at it this way: Kevin Towers has said, through his actions, he would rather have Cody Ross on his team than JU. Doesn’t that raise a red flag with you guys? Do you truly think Towers is that much of an idiot?
A d-bag maybe, but not that much of an idiot.
Nick
January 11th, 2013
11:20 am
Upton to Braves is as unlikely now as it was a month ago. The Braves don’t have the pieces to complete a deal and that’s why Towers and Wren haven’t spoken in a month. At this point it looks like Upton will go to Tex, Bal, or simply stay in AZ.
chipl1960
January 11th, 2013
11:21 am
Hey Dick, I mean Nick, who is Logan Schafer?
Mixxo
January 11th, 2013
11:21 am
“Well hell, he was just planted” – Bat M.
ncscoots
January 11th, 2013
11:21 am
Unless they believed that Gattis could go back to catching and possibly take over that role in Atlanta in the near future.
Yes, that’s true. Can’t imagine the Braves would take on Upton 2 and re-sign McCann, both. So, maybe Gattis and Bethancourt handle C, in some fashion.
I guess this is another reason I’m only lukewarm on the Upton 2 idea. Brian McCann or Justin Upton, if that’s the choice? I know which way I’d want to go on that one.
Efrim
January 11th, 2013
11:23 am
Jim Duquette @Jim_Duquette
a similar package from Atl would have to include Teheran, Bethancourt, plus plus, not sure if they have enough
Teheran, Bethancourt, Graham and another prospect outside the Top 10 is enough. I just don’t think Wren would be willing to do that.
George_George
January 11th, 2013
11:23 am
Patrick
January 11th, 2013
9:43 am
Patrick. Stat wise JUSTIN is the better UPTON, but nither one of them is very good. They will not bring a championship to ATL. I would rather go with what we have for our LF and resign PRADO.
Nick
January 11th, 2013
11:24 am
Chip – are you serious? You don’t remember J Schafers first game?
DAP
January 11th, 2013
11:25 am
dadgum If the Braves complete a trade for JUp you can kiss McCann bye bye. No money left in the coffers unless the budget goes bonkers.
OR they would have to trade uggla, and/or let prado go, and/or clean out serveral arb players.
David O'Brien
January 11th, 2013
11:26 am
This is THE defining moment in Frank Wren’s career. HE HAS THE ABILITY to pull off a trade for Upton. Does he have the stones to do it? — Patrick
Just a tad overly dramatic, don’t ya think?
Dadgum.....
January 11th, 2013
11:26 am
JUp needs a change of scenery. Worked for Melky. Well, until things happened. I’ll take my chances with JUp and an MVP caliber player before I chance Gattis becoming the LF we have been clamoring for for about a decade.
ncscoots
January 11th, 2013
11:28 am
the team is young, esp. the rotation…. 3 guys with few starts will be in the rotation next year. We can afford to send a pitcher or two out for Upton
How many posts have you made bemoaning the youth and inexperience of the projected rotation? And now you want that same youth to be seen as a positive?
ncscoots
January 11th, 2013
11:30 am
OR they would have to trade uggla, and/or let prado go, and/or clean out serveral arb players.
Robbing Peter to pay Paul, that.
TheOnlyBravesFan
January 11th, 2013
11:31 am
Brian McCann or Justin Upton, if that’s the choice? I know which way I’d want to go on that one.
3 years younger to Justin… less demanding position
and can’t spin a curve
Says the spinmeister
Curveball (CB): Extremely inconsistent and unreliable. Some reports indicate he toys with a SL as well but when I’ve seen him, it looks more like a CB that he dropped his elbow on and got around. CB lacks consistent movement and is even less frequently located. Below-average pitch. Seems to lack feel for spinning the pitch and using it as a reliable offering. Lack of progress over several seasons is concerning. Grade – 40/40
Rick C
January 11th, 2013
11:32 am
“Upton to Braves is as unlikely now as it was a month ago. The Braves don’t have the pieces to complete a deal and that’s why Towers and Wren haven’t spoken in a month. At this point it looks like Upton will go to Tex, Bal, or simply stay in AZ.”
A month ago, Towers was still demanding Simmons, but that was before he got Didi Gregorius. After he got Didi, Upton was apparently off the table until they signed Cody Ross. Texas and Baltimore are definitely out it sounds like. Arizona may keep him but with the failed trade to the Mariners they’ve boxed themselves into a corner now.
ChattTownBrian
January 11th, 2013
11:32 am
From what we’ve seen with this Towers guy before, this could get interesting. You know he’ll demand either Teheran of Delgado and then to maybe somebody like Bethancourt. Thos are just starting points. Wren will really have to go outside of his normal dealing self if he wants Upton on this team.
jfp
January 11th, 2013
11:32 am
Patrick,
What is your obsession about wanted to trade Simmons for Upton?. Have you not watched Simmons play? He is already an elite shortstop and plays one of the most important positions on the field. You can’t replace that for peanuts and that’s all you would have if you got Justin Upton. I believe Simmons is only going to get better and while he is affordable, it would be stupid to get rid of him.
Mixxo
January 11th, 2013
11:33 am
I’ll be happy when we LOSE BMac.
He’s done.
George_George
January 11th, 2013
11:33 am
I am going over to the FB page DOB/MIB fans and see if Dave has let me become a member. last night I promised him I would be good there. I am tired of IT problems here.
Jeff R
January 11th, 2013
11:33 am
If the Braves can realistically sign McCann then they may as well trade Bethancourt to get JUp. Seriously though I think the Braves have very little expectations of that happening. If the Braves complete a trade for JUp you can kiss McCann bye bye. No money left in the coffers unless the budget goes bonkers.
I think the Braves are long way from determining if it’s worth resigning McCann. Need to see how his health holds up as the season progresses and how well he produces. Jury still out.
TheOnlyBravesFan
January 11th, 2013
11:34 am
And now you want that same youth to be seen as a positive?
Yes, because that youth isn’t “necessary” in our rotation, we’ve already got youth there… I’ve always advocated bringing in another pitcher from outside, who is older, not promoting a bunch of young guys to fill the rotation. So, yes, some of them would be traded.
cabravesfan
January 11th, 2013
11:36 am
George-
You’ll have to blame someone else if you don’t get approval on the Facebook page- DOB can’t confirm anyone there
ncscoots
January 11th, 2013
11:36 am
3 years younger to Justin… less demanding position
Bubba, please. This is not a conversation you want to have. Nothing good can come of it.
Shaun
January 11th, 2013
11:38 am
Seems Allen Craig would be the most similar comp, as both guys can hit but don’t really seem to have a true position.
They put up very similar numbers in the minors. The difference is that Craig was in Triple-A by his age 24 season and we just don’t know how well Gattis will handle higher-level pitching. I’m confident Gattis will handle it fine, it’s just a matter of how well, and whether he’s a solid major league bat or one that absolutely needs an everyday role or something close to it.
Gattis probably deserves a shot in the majors this season, given his age, regardless of whether he’s a back-up, a semi-regular or a regular.
Dadgum.....
January 11th, 2013
11:39 am
I think the Braves are long way from determining if it’s worth resigning McCann. Need to see how his health holds up as the season progresses and how well he produces. Jury still out.
Yep, the jury is waiting on juror #12 to return from the bathroom to make it unanimous:-)
Murph
January 11th, 2013
11:40 am
Look at it this way: Kevin Towers has said, through his actions, he would rather have Cody Ross on his team than JU. Doesn’t that raise a red flag with you guys? Do you truly think Towers is that much of an idiot?
Did you really just type that?
Not a single GM in the world would rather have Ross than Upton, Towers included.
George_George
January 11th, 2013
11:40 am
Thanks cab
Good to see you are there. I thought it was up to Lew and Dave who becomes members.
Hugo Z Hackenbush
January 11th, 2013
11:41 am
Keep in mind that if you get him, you’ll be In Bed With the Uptons(yes, it sounds like a new reality program) for the next three years. That alone makes him worth less than what Seattle was willing to give.
chipl1960
January 11th, 2013
11:42 am
Seriously Nick. His name is Jordan not Logan. And yes I do remember the game in Philly. The highlight of his career. Its been downhill ever since.
Jeff R
January 11th, 2013
11:42 am
Well, I wouldn’t give up the store for Justin Upton. I still think that’s what Towers wants. And I wouldn’t trust Towers as a negotiating partner. Remember the Jake Peavy debacle?
doug
January 11th, 2013
11:44 am
Will Liberty give the Braves the whole $25M next year to spend? If so, then I don’t see why you don’t go get J.UP. Money to pay Uptons and our arb players, maybe not BMac, but I think many agree he may not be back.
George_George
January 11th, 2013
11:46 am
Hugo Z Hackenbush
January 11th, 2013
11:41 am
Keep in mind that if you get him, you’ll be In Bed With the Uptons
*****************************************************************************
The only UPTON I would want to be in bed with would be KATE.
George_George
January 11th, 2013
11:46 am
Hugo Z Hackenbush
January 11th, 2013
11:41 am
Keep in mind that if you get him, you’ll be In Bed With the Uptons
*****************************************************************************
The only UPTON I would want to be in bed with would be KATE. r
George_George
January 11th, 2013
11:47 am
Darn blog, sorry double post.
Murph
January 11th, 2013
11:48 am
Don’t forget in all of this financial planning that the Braves are either gonna have to resign Hudson or replace him next season…. that probably won’t be cheap.
Hugo Z Hackenbush
January 11th, 2013
11:51 am
But can she play left field? If so, I’m game.
TheOnlyBravesFan
January 11th, 2013
11:53 am
But can she play left field?
or third base…
George_George
January 11th, 2013
11:55 am
Hugo Z Hackenbush
January 11th, 2013
11:51 am
Ok. lol.
Shaun
January 11th, 2013
11:57 am
Look at it this way: Kevin Towers has said, through his actions, he would rather have Cody Ross on his team than JU. Doesn’t that raise a red flag with you guys? Do you truly think Towers is that much of an idiot?
Did you really just type that?
Not a single GM in the world would rather have Ross than Upton, Towers included.
I don’t really think it’s a matter of who Towers would rather have, per se. I think it’s a matter of how each player could provide value to the Diamondbacks. Towers seems to think that Upton may have more value to the franchise in a trade than he would if they hung on to him. This is not necessarily a reflection of how good a player Towers thinks he is, at least not completely. Contract probably comes in to play pretty significantly. I think it’s easy for us to underestimate how much contract and not just talent factors in to player decisions.
Murph
January 11th, 2013
11:57 am
Word on the street is that Kate Upton’s splits are a little fishy…
Hugo Z Hackenbush
January 11th, 2013
12:01 pm
If she can play left and third too, I don’t care what her splits say…
jfp
January 11th, 2013
12:02 pm
Murph, that was not nice.
Lew
January 11th, 2013
12:02 pm
George_George – It’s a freaking job I really don’t want, too and not one I campaigned for – it was handed to me and I really don’t like being caught between all the backbiting (more than capable of adding my own when I feel like it).
I’ll say this – IF I add you, the first post giving any crap whatsoever to David or a single reference to his workload (real or imagioned) and I’ll bounce you like a tennis ball.
Murph
January 11th, 2013
12:02 pm
Ross instead of Upton will save the Diamondbacks around $11mil total over the next 3 years….
Lew
January 11th, 2013
12:03 pm
And Gattis instead of J Upton would save us about $30 million over the next three years.
George_George
January 11th, 2013
12:07 pm
Thanks Lew.
DAP
January 11th, 2013
12:07 pm
scoots OR they would have to trade uggla, and/or let prado go, and/or clean out serveral arb players.
Robbing Peter to pay Paul, that.
yeah, it would be alot of trouble at the very least. worth it if youre getting a guy who will OPS .900 and compete for MVP awards. not worth it if you get a guy who costs $14mil per and OPSes .790. when it comes to situations like this, i usually prefer our players. thats why, like you scoots, id pick mccann over j upton if that was a choice.
Murph
January 11th, 2013
12:07 pm
LEW! I meant to tell you… got the package you sent a couple of days ago… so freakin’ AWESOME!
I’m taking it with me to the Rangers caravan… Nolan is rumored to be attending. I’m gonna get it signed and then put it up on the wall right next to my Hank jersey.
Thank you my friend! The 4 year old thought it was awesome too, especially the headlock/punch portion. She grabbed her sister and tried to recreate it until Mrs Murph put a stop to things.
jfp
January 11th, 2013
12:08 pm
Murph, and that is why they want to get rid of Upton. He is only going to get more expensive and the way they have jerked him around is unbelievable. If he stays and produces, it is only going to increase his value making a huge statement about his mental makeup.
ncscoots
January 11th, 2013
12:12 pm
This is not necessarily a reflection of how good a player Towers thinks he is, at least not completely.
Be that as it may, there is something about the guy that makes Towers want to unload him. Remember that there is a time element involved here, also, in that wins today are worth more than wins tomorrow. Towers is willing to sacrifice three years of a 4 or 5 WAR player, in the present, for near-term zero WAR plus a nebulous and unknown future WAR from the trade return. This is a not insignificant flag.
abeeeewright
January 11th, 2013
12:12 pm
Hugo … “But can she play left field?”
TOBF … “or third base…”
She’ll go to LF and you’ll have to go to third base.
Shaun
January 11th, 2013
12:13 pm
Ross instead of Upton will save the Diamondbacks around $11mil total over the next 3 years….
Exactly. Not to mention an Upton trade could net some cheap talent. In the D-Backs situation, it seems they feel they are better off with Ross and cheap talent instead of Upton and Ross.
TheOnlyBravesFan
January 11th, 2013
12:13 pm
Mark S @Gandhi_And_Pie
Justin Upton’s most popular away places: Colorado, San Fran, LA, San Diego. 3 of those aren’t fun places to hit.
Does well in SD, okay in Colorado, poor in SF and LA… struggles in 2 of the 3 bad places to hit
Lew
January 11th, 2013
12:13 pm
Murph – Glad you like it – hope it buys me some forebearance from the four year old. I don’t like trying to avoid sharp objects.
Geno
January 11th, 2013
12:14 pm
Great post on Talking Chop about what the Braves have that is roughly equivalent to the players Seattle offered for JUp — http://www.talkingchop.com/2013/1/11/3865400/what-would-it-take-for-the-atlanta-braves-to-get-justin-upton
Summary is that to match the Seattle offer the Braves could offer a package of J.R. Graham, Jordan Walden, Luis Avilan, and Nick Ahmed to get Justin Upton. Braves might could offer a lesser Reliever if the upgraded from Graham to Teheran, or substitute Gilmartin for Walden if that is really what AZ would prefer.
This sounds reasonable to me and would be a good deal, too for both teams.
Hugo Z Hackenbush
January 11th, 2013
12:18 pm
Her splits tell me that I can’t get beyond third base…
ncscoots
January 11th, 2013
12:21 pm
I’d be shocked if Wren gave up either of Teheran or Graham, let alone both, for Upton.
DAP
January 11th, 2013
12:22 pm
cab You’ll have to blame someone else if you don’t get approval on the Facebook page- DOB can’t confirm anyone there
actually he can. DOB is an admin on that page.
kenhotlanta
January 11th, 2013
12:27 pm
chipl1960 @ 11:42: “Seriously Nick. His name is Jordan not Logan.”
It’s a blogism…one of the Braves announcers referred to him as Logan Schafer, and it stuck here. It’s used quite often, I am surprised you haven’t seen it before.
Hugo Z Hackenbush
January 11th, 2013
12:27 pm
For those who care about this sort of thing, “Funky” Claude of “Smoke on the Water” fame has passed away…
jfp
January 11th, 2013
12:28 pm
Hugo, you couldn’t get a walk with 4 wild pitches.
kenhotlanta
January 11th, 2013
12:30 pm
Hugo, thanks, I am sure Lew and I care.
Enquiring Minds Want To Know
January 11th, 2013
12:31 pm
Towers is admitting that the Dbacks themselves overpaid for for JU’s services. And now some of you people want to bail him out of his losing position and give him a boatload of prospects for the pleasure?
I’m glad Wren is better than you are.
Lew
January 11th, 2013
12:32 pm
I added him to the page, but I’m serious – I can remove him, too if there are complaints (and I’ve had others request to NOT add him) or if any grief is given. If I can keep from lambasting TOBF, then everyone else can be civil, too.
Shaun
January 11th, 2013
12:33 pm
Be that as it may, there is something about the guy that makes Towers want to unload him. Remember that there is a time element involved here, also, in that wins today are worth more than wins tomorrow. Towers is willing to sacrifice three years of a 4 or 5 WAR player, in the present, for near-term zero WAR plus a nebulous and unknown future WAR from the trade return. This is a not insignificant flag.
All this is true. But it’s also true that Upton is due to make $9.75M in 2013, $14.25M in 2014 and $14.5M in 2015. So it’s not as if his and other players’ win or performance values are the only thing in play here. Contract probably is playing a big role in the apparent desire to move Upton.
Hugo Z Hackenbush
January 11th, 2013
12:33 pm
I suspect some of those wild pitches would get me tossed from the game…
Geno
January 11th, 2013
12:34 pm
To clarify my typo: Braves might could offer a lesser Reliever if AZ wanted to upgrade from Graham to Teheran, or substitute Gilmartin for Walden if that is really what AZ would prefer.
At no point did the post on Talking Chop indicate trading both Teheran and Graham.
Lew
January 11th, 2013
12:34 pm
Hugo – Lots of posts from Deep Purple and Queen about Claude NObs’ death this morning – he also was the originator of the Montreaux Jazz Festival and apparently quite an exceptional person.
Lew
January 11th, 2013
12:35 pm
Lots of posts on FB.
Enquiring Minds Want To Know
January 11th, 2013
12:35 pm
“themselves” should be italics. Don’t know why the rest is.
Cliff Fiscal
January 11th, 2013
12:38 pm
(1) Not sure I am comfortable with any of these proposed trade for Upton. I have a sneaky feeling Gattis could be the real deal.
(2) How come nobody ever robs Paul to pay Peter? Peter always gets the raw deal.
ncscoots
January 11th, 2013
12:38 pm
At no point did the post on Talking Chop indicate trading both Teheran and Graham
My bad, I misread that. Thanks.
Robert
January 11th, 2013
12:40 pm
“Hey, Roger Maris was. Look up their stats and compare.”
In other words – “We made a mistake once, let’s do it again” – Use this kind of logic, and Anthony Young and Bobby Cox will end up in the HOF
ncscoots
January 11th, 2013
12:42 pm
Contract probably is playing a big role in the apparent desire to move Upton.
I’d probably buy into that a little more had Towers not already spent $26MM of his potential Upton savings.
And a Day of Rain
January 11th, 2013
12:42 pm
Cliff- Could it be a case of Peter envy?
ChattTownBrian
January 11th, 2013
12:45 pm
I would go Teheran, Bethancourt and two just average prospects for JUpton. That’s it though.
George_George
January 11th, 2013
12:45 pm
Lew
January 11th, 2013
12:32 pm
Thank you Lew.
DS1
January 11th, 2013
12:45 pm
We all came out to Montreux on the Lake Geneva shoreline!
RIP Claude Nobs!
Shaun
January 11th, 2013
12:46 pm
I’d probably buy into that a little more had Towers not already spent $26MM of his potential Upton savings.
Whether he’s already spent that or not, it doesn’t change the fact that the Diamondbacks feel there is a good chance they get as many wins for less by dealing Upton and that that is a big reason for a possible trade.
ncscoots
January 11th, 2013
12:49 pm
Shaun, I think even you will admit that Upton’s contract was not a burden until Towers decided to acquire Cody Ross. Considering that the team was trying to move him before dollars were an issue, isn’t it logical to think that money is not the primary reason behind their wish to trade him?
Nick
January 11th, 2013
12:51 pm
There is a better chance of Ryan Klesko playing LF this season for ATL than J Upton.
Enquiring Minds Want To Know
January 11th, 2013
12:51 pm
Whether he’s already spent that or not, it doesn’t change the fact that the Diamondbacks feel there is a good chance they get as many wins for less by dealing Upton and that that is a big reason for a possible trade.
Exactly, Shaun. This is what I mean about Towers admitting that he overpaid.
DS1
January 11th, 2013
12:53 pm
A deal for Upton would mean the Braves are “all in” on the Upton family potential. Kinda risky proposition for TWO brothers at a high salary.
Justin has had two almost 900 OPS seasons. And two almost 800’s. (not counting his first 2 partial seasons)
As for Gattis, he is ALL potential. And very affordable potential.
So what are the odds that BOTH BJ and Justin perform well (850+) consistently? I’d say looking at their track records, you really don’t want to go that route unless you had a lot of extra money laying around.
Or you had some inside information.
Just my two cents worth.
Geno
January 11th, 2013
12:53 pm
I can not understand the thought that Gattis is ready for the Majors, especially since he has not even played in Triple-A. This reminds of how so many on this blog last offseason were similarly saying that Turdo could help the Braves in 2012. Productivity in A-ball and AA-ball is well and good, but that is not a good indication that a player is Major League ready. I hope Gattis continues to develop, but it is a true loooong shot to believe he could help the Braves in any significant way in 2013.
JUp has already proven that he can significantly help a MLB team. Braves have a lot of depth at P and SS, so dealing from that depth for a young, proven MLB player looks like a good idea to me.
brian
January 11th, 2013
12:55 pm
no way the Braves ever would trade Teheran and Graham Efrim. The Braves are probably as high on Graham as they are on Teheran right now. Way, Way too high a price for Upton if Teheran and Graham were asked for
Of course, not as laughable as the demnd for Minor and Teheran for Fowler.
Bat Masterson
January 11th, 2013
12:56 pm
it doesn’t change the fact that the Diamondbacks feel there is a good chance they get as many wins for less
Is it a fact?
ncbravesfan90
January 11th, 2013
1:01 pm
So now we’re saying that Justin Upton is a risky proposition but Gattis is all potential? Come on now. The guy has not hit above AA ball pitching, even in Winter League play its equal to AA pitching. So if we say we are willing to go with someone in LF who has never hit higher than AA pitching over someone who has already helped a MLB club and finished very high in MVP voting, not to mention scored 100+ runs this past year, then we are saying we are not serious about contending in the NL this year.
Bat Masterson
January 11th, 2013
1:01 pm
Bobby Cox will end up in the HOF
Next year, Robert. Make your plans to be there early.
DS1
January 11th, 2013
1:03 pm
Geno
I don’t think any realistic blogger is counting on Gattis to be major league ready. With his spring training invite, he’ll get the opportunity to show us.