8:12 pm January 8, 2013, by David O'Brien
January 8th, 20138:22 pm
DOB doing his damn thang on the rumor mill!
January 8th, 20138:24 pm
FIRST to declare first!
January 8th, 20138:26 pm
So, we’re getting Bourn?
January 8th, 20138:27 pm
Thank you for new blog.
January 8th, 20138:28 pm
Am I the only one who’d be disappointed if Heyward only hit .272 this year?
January 8th, 20138:31 pm
Constanza and Schafer??? Really? My god, this team really pisses me off sometimes.
January 8th, 20138:34 pm
Couple of things:
1 – DOB – do you NOT want the Braves to bring Bourn back, or what?? You just seem so negative about it when it is ever brought up… I mean, we get that it’s a long shot, but how great an outfield is that if we could work it out??!! Why not write about a way that it COULD work??
2 – And with Justin Upton – same thing… Why don’t you give us your thoughts on what the Braves WOULD be willing to deal for Upton ??
Would love to hear the positive thoughts on how both of these could happen…
How about Wren gets aggressive and calls Towers… why not make a real push to get better instead of sitting around waiting for the phone to ring?? This LF platoon will be a disaster.
For those interested, the word on the street is a torn LCL and possible ACL re-injury with exploratory surgery scheduled for RGIII. Recovery time 8-12 months. Nothing official. Just local rumors.
January 8th, 20138:35 pm
@najeh not if he has a .360 obp
January 8th, 20138:36 pm
Bourn is not coming back to Atlanta, the notion is ridiculous. You think Boras is going to tell him to take a one year deal and switch to LF?? Not happening.
Whaz’ up NAJ? Me. I’d be disappointed with those numbers. How’s things with FERRY? What’s he exercised about?
January 8th, 20138:46 pm
For what it’s worth:
I see the FALCONS flying high barring an injured QB of course. If RGIII hadn’t re-injured himself in the first quarter, I believe REDSKINS would have scored touchdowns at least twice more and won.
January 8th, 20138:47 pm
Seems like the blog is coming around on the view that this next seasons Braves team is gonna be pretty terrible.- Nick
The “ifs” are the key. If Uggla has a good-to-great year, McCann stays healthy and Upton reaches his “true potencial”, this team could actually win the division. It might be a long shot, but I’m sure WAS won’t repeat their run from last year, they will have a couple of bumps on the road this time around.
They lost Ramos, had 5 less starts from Strasburg than normal, didn’t have Harper all year, added Haren over Jackson… that team is good. Very good chance to repeat in my opinion, and they had some bumps last season. Believe they lost 3 catchers in under 2 weeks.
January 8th, 20138:49 pm
thanks rich…. I believe the same
Heyward has a .329 OBP the last 2 years….. hard to see it going back up to .360! But if he hit .272/.340/.500, I’d be okay… would prefer the avg. to be higher, but slugging is what I’d like to see go up.
January 8th, 20138:52 pm
Thanks for remembering the King today, it’s a shame,but I’ve noticed that his birthday and anniversary of death bring less and less media attention as the years go by!
BTW, Mr. Knapp, I am offended that you are offended! Bring on the caps!
Wren repeated what he’d said to a few of us during the Winter Meetings a month ago: Defensive metric statistics, in the Braves’ view, were still a work in progress and not as reliable or pertinent as offensive metrics. Despite Bourn ranking significantly better in most defensive metrics, Braves officials and scouts also consider Upton one of the best defensive center fielders in baseball
January 8th, 20138:54 pm
But the Braves seem to be serious and not just posturing when they say they would be comfortable going to spring training with their current roster, giving guys….(perhaps Jordan Schafer?) a shot at left-field playing time
Not Schafer. Please no. .221/.305/.301/.606 66 OPS+, .591 OPS last year.
January 8th, 20138:57 pm
Frank did say in an interview with Shanks? that the Braves likely won’t use much, let alone all, of the 25mil coming next year….
If Bourn somehow fell into our lap, then he had damned well better be in CF. He’s much better than Upton out there.
As far as that logo goes, I’ll submit that Southern whites (who comprise the vast majority of Braves fans) aren’t exactly the folks I’d go to for accurate polls on what is and isn’t offensive. We don’t tend to be too concerned about how minorities feel about anything. That’s just the way it is.
Happy birthday, Elvis! (The thought still counts)
January 8th, 20138:59 pm
Really enjoyed Searching for Sugarman, an amazing story.
January 8th, 20139:10 pm
Forget about Justin Upton; lets get Chase Headley for 3B !
Thank you for the Braves player projections for 2013. Is there any way you can provide the projections for some of the top prospects in the organization?
January 8th, 20139:12 pm
I agree with the Braves that Upton is a plus centerfielder. Living in Florida, I have watched several hundred Rays’ games in the past 3-4 seasons (a decent sample size, I think), and I believe that the current fielding metrics in use underestimate Upton. But, be warned: he’s going to take an awful lot of called third strikes.
January 8th, 20139:13 pm
If Braves’ “ifs” go as well as they can, the Braves could win the division. But of course, if “ifs” and buts were candies and nuts we’d all have a Merry Christmas.
January 8th, 20139:14 pm
I did not want BJ Upton on the Braves, nor am I impressed by Bill James’ 2013 projections for Upton. $75 million for what?
No way McCann drives in 90+ runs.
January 8th, 20139:19 pm
Agreed… not hitting likely at 6-7. Last drove in 90+ in 2009, when he hit cleanup, in 125 starts. Can’t see him playing 134 games either, not built for that even if he started the season on the roster… if he misses 2-3 weeks, he’d have to play almost every game to reach that.
January 8th, 20139:21 pm
Prado’s fielding stats were superb/stellar last year in LF, at SS, at 2B. His worst stats, well below MLB avarage, were at 3B…The Old Man
Prado in 2012 per Bill James +/-. his career numbers at third are better than at second , he is an average-ish defender where ever he plays
January 8th, 20139:24 pm
I’ve been to several games, redskins, braves, etc. where there was a group protest on the name and logo. They all were the same crowd, one or two native Americans and the rest white liberals . It looked more like msnbc groupie night then a true protest. I like the new logo and will definitely purchase a hat
January 8th, 20139:27 pm
no end of watch and avengers at 10? weak
Tip O' the Cap
January 8th, 20139:29 pm
So the Bill James handbook says the Bravos starting pitching will get a cumulative 66-59 record. That would imply that the bullpen would have to go 28-9 for a 94 win season. Is that probable? How does that compare to last year / other years?
January 8th, 20139:34 pm
DOB your list last year was solid. I enjoyed most on your list especially Shelter. I’ll be sure to check out those movies at Redbox when they come out. What was your reaction to Jamie Foxx speaking out about gun control after starring in a movie where people are mowed down by high powered guns by the minute?
Ron Burgundy, Anchorman
January 8th, 20139:36 pm
I love scotch. Scotchy, scotch, scotch. Here it goes down, down into my belly. . .
January 8th, 20139:37 pm
Braves bullpen went 25-14 this season, 26-25 last year, 32-19 in 2010, and 21-27 in 2009 (bullpen wasn’t great that year, obviously)
January 8th, 20139:38 pm
Don’t want a platoon between LF and 3B. Prado deserves to be a starter at one position, and one position only. If he has to start at more than one position due to injury, then fine, but not because one day there is a LH pitcher in, then the next day there is a RH pitcher in. It’s not fair to the guy at all.
You have 8 million to spend on either a 3B or LF. Stop being cheap, and for once use the f’n money that you have available and go out and get a impact player to push this team to the next level. So sick of the Braves going cheap and hoping like hell it works routine. Does the extra money saved go into Wren’s personal account or what? Seems like it,.
January 8th, 20139:44 pm
From the previous blog which had 2,674 comments, TheOnlyBravesFan led the way with 244 posts. There were 301 different poster names. Here are the Top 25:
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it is true that they are not as reliable as hitting or pitching stats, but they are good enough to figure out that if a players ranks near the bottom most years, that he is NOT one of the best fielders.
it is also pretty self-serving to quote said metrics when they show Bourn as great but ignore those same metrics that say that Upton is mediocre at best.
January 8th, 20139:47 pm
Yuup…who are you going to spend it on? We will most likely have to trade for someone, which means giving up some young pitching talent like Delgado.
Orange Brave f/k/a Billy Jacks BBQ
nice blog. great info
Enjoying a fine Arturo Fuente Opus X, perfection #5 at the Chop House cigar room in Grand Rapids, MI. What a luxury to enjoy such sine smoke, indoors on a cold winter night, served by lovely ladies. It is good to be alive. I also enjoyed a simple Johnny Walker Black on the rocks, Ron.
Cool to be able to enjoy the old MIB blog, to savor the time. Back to Charlotte, tomorrow and the real world.
January 8th, 201310:15 pm
What was your reaction to Jamie Foxx speaking out about gun control after starring in a movie where people are mowed down by high powered guns by the minute? — beekay
A. Glad he did; B. It’s a movie, set before the Civil War; C. Nobody in the movie uses high-capacity magazines or automatic weapons.
no end of watch and avengers at 10? weak — knarf
D’oh — thanks for reminding me about End of Watch. Completely forgot it. Definitely in my top 5. Will go back into list now.
January 8th, 201310:17 pm
exploratory surgery scheduled for RGIII. Recovery time 8-12 months. Nothing official. Just local rumors.
RichBrave – I’m wondering why it takes 8-12 months to recover from exploratory surgery? They must be making an incision in his abdomen to insert the scope?
January 8th, 201310:18 pm
David O’Brien — What did you mean by this quote “went about as you’d expect in this age of 2 + 2 = 10.”? It is funny!
January 8th, 201310:22 pm
Glad that knarf reminded me about End of Watch. Not only had I forgotten that one, but also Bernie, which was hilarious. Went back in an updated my movie list.
Thanks for the new blog chief
January 8th, 201310:28 pm
there’s that “automatic weapons” emotional blackmail word again, they are not automatic.
and Columbine occurred during the time when large capacity magazines were banned
there are no easy answers
Searching for Sugarman was really good.
REGARDING PRADO’s EXTENSION: While practicing for one of the Venezuelan League teams, Prado revealed he was seeking a four year deal, but Atlanta, so far, had only offered a three year deal.
January 8th, 201310:32 pm
SAY DOB, Twitter kinda reminds me of that game where you whisper a secret into one person’s ear and by the time the message gets all the way around the classroom, it’s totally different…Almost as helpful, sometimes, as listening to the opinions of ESPN Sports Writers, or Opinions of Writers about justification for or against candidates for the Hall of Fame.
SOUTH of the BORDER
LARA CARDINALS top of the fourth
C JOSE YEPEZ [.308 BA] 0-1
LHSP YOHAN FLANDE [1.08 ERA] 3.0 IP, 2 H, 0 R/ER, 2 BB, 2 SO.
No BRAVES playing.
January 8th, 201310:37 pm
Reading between the lines, it sounds like Bourn will be a Brave next year and Wren has Andrelton on the trading block.
January 8th, 201310:38 pm
Paradise lost 3 was really good. If you do not know anything about this story check it out on http://www.wm3.org. Two new movies about the deaths of the three cub scouts and three teens who were falsely charged one by Peter Jackson called West of Memphis and another Devil’s Knot will be out later this year.
A case of Satanic panic and the three teens were deemed to be outcasts because they listened to heavy metal music and wore black clothing. If not for the help of Eddie Vedder, Henry Rollins, Johnny Depp and the film makers of the first paradise lost two of these men would surely still be in prison and the third executed.
Based on his value to this team I’d give PRADO what he wants. Four years, and whatever amount of money that’s agreeable to both sides.
January 8th, 201310:40 pm
that is some of the worst between-the-lines reading I’ve ever seen Stanley
January 8th, 201310:51 pm
Yeah, I agree that Bourn will probably not be back here. Upton is interesting, but I really want to sign Prado, Heyward, Freeman, Medlen and Kimbrel to long term deals.
They are the pillars of the future.
If I had to do a top 10 for films:
1. Wreck It Ralph- great from a storytelling and story structure standpoint. Fantastic characters and amazing worlds. This is no kids movie to me. Feels like a great Pixar film if anything that can appeal to all ages. It’s just great filmmaking.
2. Django Unchained- A little too long, but fantastic action sequences, great characters and crisp Tarantino dialogue abound. Cinematography was great as well.
3. Les Miserables- Not a big musical fan, but some good performances and very good story are in here. While some characters are shoe horned into the final act, and there are some storytelling issues I had with it, there are some great songs and overall is a very rewarding film. Anne Hathaway’s “I dreamed a dream” scene is worth the price of admission. It is the most powerful scene I saw all year.
4. The Master- Powerful filmmaking, though somewhat repetitive after a while and a bit drawn out- there were some amazing performances, particularly by Hoffman. Unbelievable cinematography and editing.
5. Lincoln- DDL is fantastic as was Sally Field. Some forced sub plots and a particularly flawed point in history to so narrowly focus on as there was so much more to Lincoln than that hold it back from being truly great.
6. The Dark Knight Rises- Way too long and gets a bit ridiculous (hated the prison stuff, illogical and forced), but overall TDKR is a good finale to a stellar trilogy. Bane is a great villain, Hathaway was great, Bale turned in another solid performance. Technically perfect with its masterful sound, cinematography and editing. Great direction. Just a flawed script that loses control of itself in the second and third act, but still holds it together enough in those acts for it to ultimately be a success. Not as good as its predecessors.
7. Skyfall- Bond’s best since Goldeneye. Great performances, solid story, amazing cinematography. Story could have been better, the constant references to it being the 50th anniversary and Money penny were dreadful. But it was a very good James Bond film. Something we haven’t seen in quite some time.
8. Promised Land: A solid movie. Nothing special, and doesn’t try to be anything more than what it is. Tight storytelling, good performances and a good script. It doesn’t tap into emotions enough and is technically pedestrian. But a really solid little movie.
9. The Avengers- A really fun, fast paced movie that brings together a lot of fun characters. Fun pop corn action with little depth and a razor thin story. Would have liked to see a better antagonist, and the aliens were dull and uninteresting. Still it was a really fun popcorn movie, but I feel like it could have been more. Feel like it should have been on TV, technically not as filmic as TDKR.
10. The Hobbit- Really disappointing to me. Only on here because I didn’t see that many movies. Huge LOTR fan. No real character development here, the main character isn’t focused in on enough, pointless LOTR connections are made, the dwarves are all background characters and I just don’t care as much as I should. Repetitive action scenes abound as well.
It’s still very well made and is to a degree engaging. And the Gollum scene was amazing. Just not enough character development and stretching these movies out into three films feels very forced.
Didn’t see Argo, Silver Linings Playbook, Moonrise Kingdom, Looper, Wallflower and a few others I should have seen.
January 8th, 201310:52 pm
Yep, Frank Wren is a sly guy. He probably set this up with the D.J. so he could signal something is afoot. Bourn will be back. Bank on it.
January 8th, 201311:04 pm
I wonder if Jurrjens considered playing for Holland in the WBC – would be a good showcase for him if he is back to any sort of form.
January 8th, 201311:08 pm
Flight is one of the best movies I had seen in a while.
January 8th, 201311:12 pm
DOB so no seven psychopaths with tom waits??
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January 8th, 201311:16 pm
Hope they get some sort of multi-year deal worked out with prado. Love the guy, our best and most consistent HITTER.
January 8th, 201311:25 pm
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January 8th, 201311:29 pm
Fighting Irish, the Padres, demon Deacons, cowboys, boilermakers, Yankees, texans, saints, patriots…..why are these names not considered offensive? Just think about it!
January 8th, 201311:35 pm
Hello everyone! If I had to choose between Schafer, and Constanza at the last, and very last idea……. I would choose Schafer, because Constanza is streaky….
January 8th, 201311:37 pm
You can’t skip Les Miserables as big of a music fan as you are.
January 8th, 201311:39 pm
I would choose Schafer, because Constanza is streaky…. — Ward
Right, and Schafer is consistently sucky.
What are you doing on here at this time, Ward, take the day off?
I hope the blogger who was critical of my slight of Irish history is still reading David’s excellent blog because I want to sincerely apologize to you. I searched several times for your name but could not find it. The Indian mascot controversy is an emotional subject for me and for people I work with. In trying to make an argument like “I wonder how black people would like it if we put black sambo on the hats” or “I wonder how Notre Dame supporters would feel if the Irish had suffered in this country the way American Indians have,” I then risk insulting those people, which is the last thing I had in mind. The Irish people have a proud history and have also endured much, perhaps more in Europe than in America, but also here. I just want to see all peoples honored and respected and I don’t think the suggested new braves logo head hat would do that for American Indians
I think Wren should gove Justin Upton a call, and have Justin Upton talk to Towers. Then he should call, and get rolling…..Wren, should show some interest, and try a little harder!
January 8th, 201311:41 pm
Tom- Laringitus, and off from work sick, and thought to wright a few.
January 8th, 201311:42 pm
I’m not even remotely interested in bringing back Bourne. He tanked last year down the stretch, is aging and is still a Boras client. Boras would find a way to bleed us even on a short deal.
Just not sold on Constanza…..
January 8th, 201311:44 pm
Constanza’s not starting. He’s 4th in line behind Gattis, Francisco and trading for someone.
Still, one slot ahead of Schaefer for now.
January 8th, 201311:45 pm
Really don’t like Schafer if it came down to it, but maybe the kid will come through, just a big maybe? That’s if down to the very last, and very last idea?
January 8th, 201311:50 pm
Anyways, let’s hope Braves, can still g for Justin Upton? Maybe B.J. can call his brother to get Towers moving?
January 8th, 201311:54 pm
I still think the D-Backs will move an OF’er. If not Upton, then Kubel.
Towers is, obviously, trying to get as much as he can. He says he’ll stay with what he has and send Eaton down to AAA.
I say, BullShorts!
Wren is, obviously, trying to give as little as he can. He say’s he’ll be satisfied with what he has if he can’t sign anybody.
Maybe there REALLY is a chance for either Gattis or Francisco. Or it’s just a ploy by Wren to not look desperate and bring the price down.
lead-off CF JOSE CONSTANZA [.263 BA] 1-6, 1 R.
LHRP JOSE LUGO [3.65 ERA] 0.1 IP, 1 H, 1 R/ER.
January 8th, 201311:58 pm
Tom – I’m O.K.with Gattis, and Francisco platoon, but Towers will have to be real here. He can’t get every thing he wan’ts, but we’ll just have to wait, and see?
January 9th, 201312:00 am
C JOSE YEPEZ [.313 BA] 1-4, 1 SO.
LHSP YOHAN FLANDE [L 0-1, 5.40 ERA] 3.0 IP, 5 H, 4 R/ER, 3 BB, 2 SO.
FLAMBE’s nuts are toasted in the fourth as he gives up a walk, three hits, and four earned without registering one out.
January 9th, 201312:01 am
Wait & see is right, Ward. I think if something is going to happen, with Towers, it’ll be a few months down the road.
January 9th, 201312:04 am
FLAMBE’s nuts are toasted
January 9th, 201312:05 am
January 9th, 201312:29 am
I can’t believe you liked this is 40, I went and saw it and thought it was way to long without much of a point pretty much it was just about a couple growing apart and arguing the whole movie.
January 9th, 201312:43 am
More praise for Skyfall, huh? I had hoped for better. Although an upgrade from the miscarriage that was Quantum of Solace, Casino Royale was far better.
There was no fun to be had this time around; too much gloom. If Bond isn’t the kind of guy you’d want to have a martini with, they are doing something wrong. And putting M front and center was a mistake–she’s far more interesting in the shadows.
January 9th, 201312:49 am
pointless LOTR connections are made, the dwarves are all background characters and I just don’t care as much as I should. Repetitive action scenes abound as well…Chipper
what was pointless about them, did you read the books? They were all part of the books.
January 9th, 201312:54 am
I thought Skyfall was pretty good myself as was Django. and Lincoln
January 9th, 20131:29 am
As, I was thinking waitng is good for us. It brings out character if you can wait to see what Wren, will do? I would like Wren, just to get the LF solved now, so we can go into Spring Training knowing, instead of not knowing every year, because of who’s going to play where. Being a Braves fan, we have to put with Wren, and just be patient. It’s not easy, but Wren, hasn’t done tob this year, and last year!
January 9th, 20131:31 am
Meant to say too bad this, and I think with more patience, we will have a good solid team to go further in the Playoffs. All, have a good one! Peace my friends, and be excellent to one another, and “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!”
January 9th, 20133:22 am
It would be so neat if Murphy made it to the HOF. BTW does anyone else agree that he probably holds the Braves record for the most autographed baseballs. I actually have a total of five and I’m not a big autograph seeker. Having Bourn back would be awesome but I’m really intigued with Gattis.
No. 1 Braves Fan
January 9th, 20134:47 am
DOB: Nice piece of work. Always interesting info. provided in your blogs.
My opinion is that nobody except Wren knows what may or may not happen
relating to any Braves moves. Its fun to read all the comments and speculations of your readers.
January 9th, 20135:41 am
I am a little surprised Mr. Wren has not at least talked to the DBacks since before Christmas about Upton. Go kick the tires and see if the price has gone down or how it has changed. I agree with you DOB….Justin must want this over with.
January 9th, 20137:13 am
“I like the new logo and will definitely purchase a hat”
Well, another white person of exquisite taste has weighed in. Really, does anybody wake in the morning and decide that, yes, I need artwork throughout my home depicting a LOL red American Indian head? Why? Because it looks so good and I would like it. Offended or not it’s a stupid idea and no middle-aged and above white person can actually claim–and mean it–that I just like it more than anything the Braves could have come up with. Weird you folks who are coming out and lining up to buy them. I’m an out of shape 55-year old white and not offended by it but can easily see how it could be offensive and how stupid it looks.
January 9th, 20137:23 am
“Maybe B.J. can call his brother to get Towers moving?”
You know it is possible that the brothers do not necessarily want to live together again after having roomed together for the first 18 years of their lives, right?
January 9th, 20137:27 am
Online rumors suggest the Braves have interest in the Nats’ Michael Morse.
With Washington being a division rival, any chance a deal could happen? With the Nats having a deep starting rotation, I don’t know what we could possibly offer them in return. Maybe a 3-way trade with another team?
January 9th, 20137:28 am
My reading is caught up.
Time will tell. I’m a little surprised that Wren……..
Who knows? Nobody except Wren knows…….
Wait and see.
I think we have everything covered.
January 9th, 20137:30 am
I never heard of a Native American tribe called “the Braves”.
Get over it !
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