3:14 pm January 3, 2013, by David O'Brien
January 5th, 20137:13 pm
So winning 94 games and having a better pitching staff next year to look forward to isn’t positive? There is no guarantee that Francisco and Gattis won’t combine to outperform what Chipper gave us last year. In fact I’d say the chances are better than 50% that they will. That means if Uggla just returns even close to his career numbers this offense should score plenty to win a lot of games with our pitching including shut down pen. This team is going to be fun to watch for years. Too bad you won’t see it through your “Angel Eyes” though.
January 5th, 20137:29 pm
Where did you come up with better staff. No chipper, Replacfed with Upton-K’o king. No Ross. Replace with Laird-another loser. No Hinske. Replace with Pena. Wow exciting. No Durbin No Hanson. Catcher-on his way out. 2nd base another ko king. No 3rd baseman unless prado then no lf. SS one yr wonder. CF – not the answer. So where is your 94 wins. Also 94 wins last year. still losers.
January 5th, 20138:16 pm
I said better pitching staff. We have Hudson from day 1. Last year he started the season on the DL because of surgery. We have Medlen all year, Minor seemed like he turned a corner 2nd half. He should be good for 13 -15 wins. Maholm will be better than JJ and either Terehan or Delgado should have no trouble replacing Hanson’s performance . The only negative is we are without Beachy til July but that could feel like a mid season trade when we get him back. Our #1 rated bullpen will be even better with Walden. That’s how I see our pitching staff being better.
Loved Hinske but he’s done. Losing him is addition by subtraction. We’ll have Johnson all year now so we have the best pinch hitter in the game for a full season. Big upgrade over Hinske , Overbay or Pastorncky. We have a centerfielder that won’t mail it in after the All-Star break like Bourn did 2 yrs in a row. We have one of if not THE best defensive SS in the game. I know this line up isn’t perfect but I’m glad Wren didn’t cave in and trade away our farm system for talent that might not be better than Francisco and or Gattis. I’m excited to see what this team does in spring training even if we start with who we have now.
January 5th, 20139:15 pm
You are just like Wren. Pitching pitching pitching. You need pitching,but if you don’t score runs you don’t win.. Upton willNOT come close to Bourn. The SS was a 1 yr wonder. Catcher can hang it up. 3 hitters Prado, Heyward, Freeman. That is all. 3 players don’t win. Braves won 94 last year and LOST. They won’t even come close to 94. Pitching helps win but you have to score enough runs. This team did not improve. It got worse. Yes Walden will help. Who replaces Durbin. Wow Guerrin and Avilan. Goodness give them a cookie. By the time the bullpen is in the game is over.
January 5th, 201311:46 pm
January 3rd, 2013
Medlan beats Halladay and Braves win 5-3
Umm… Halladay wont open starting day.. It will end up being Hudson v Hamels.
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January 6th, 201311:25 am
First off I hate the one game play in. Baseball unlike other sports play 162 games and than to have to play one game to decide who gets into the playoffs is ridiculous.
Second I would like to see the Braves stay put until spring training and see how Francisco and Gattis work out and if one or both can’t hack it than make a move. If one or both make it we could save a lot of money which could be used signing Prado, Heyward and Freeman long term.
I’m sick of signing has beens for a couple of million a year and then not adding anything to the club.
No. 1 Braves Fan
January 6th, 20132:33 pm
Angel Eyes does not say nice things about Frank Wren and the Braves.
January 6th, 20134:15 pm
Bobbymahlon. It’s nice to hear someone want to give Francisco and Gattis a chance because not only do we save money if even one of them pans out, we save trade prospects too. The cost to get some of the names mentioned , Upton, Stanton or Myers (now with Tampa) would have been really high in trade chips. What if if both of them play close to or above expectations? We could be a dangerous team. The Nat’s have now lost 3 LH relief arms from their pen as well as Jackson from the rotation. They haven’t signed LaRoche yet and if he goes to the Red Sox or someplace else they will miss him both offensively and defensively because Morse can’t play 1B like LaRoche. I’m not willing to just hand the division to Washington in winter because the Braves are going to start the season with a better pitching staff than last year and I’d be willing to be we hang in with the Nat’s step for step this year instead of falling behind them like we did last year.
January 6th, 20134:19 pm
by the way it’s not just money and prospects to be considered IMHO it’s the fact that several of the trade options out there didn’t really make me think they’d be a guaranteed upgrade to Gattis/Francisco and Prado rotation. Why not audition the in house talent when we don’t have a solution that guarantees us to be in a better position ?
January 6th, 20134:33 pm
Because there is no in house talent comparable to what you lost.
January 6th, 20134:38 pm
No Chipper. No Beachy. No McCann until May or later. Chipper’s offense & leadership will not be offset by Upton. Uggla is still on the roster.
Where is the improvement that will pose a challenge to a better balanced and better managed Washington Nationals ?
January 6th, 20135:09 pm
Wren is one of the reasons why we have a chance.
Fredi G. Too.
Its amazing the good our baseball people do accomplish in spite this ownership.
Braves fans can be fortunate that we have baseball people that hide the horriffic ownership we have.
For those who care, looks like the NHL will be back. That is good for me.
I still give a dam about the NHL, will make one out of town trip somewhere this yr.
The Glads are a nice reasonably priced evening out the CHL hockey just does not really do it for me. If there were more coverage I would be more interested. Would rather see Glads coverage than HS stuff.
January 6th, 20135:11 pm
Angel Eyes just does not seem to like anything about the Braves.
Outside of LM I like most of what is in the Braves org.
January 6th, 20135:13 pm
Teams don’t like to trade with Wren because he usually beats them.
Hey, not FW’s fault that he is good at what he does.
January 6th, 20135:55 pm
Wren got ripped off with Derek Lowe, Kinchen Kawakami & Nate McLouth.
The Dan Uggla trade will saddle payroll for another 3 seasons.
He got Jesse Chavez for Rafael Soriano.
If Atlanta had a critical sports media and not so casual fans, Frank Wren would have been shown the door years ago.
Stop the whining about Liberty Media. Somehow teams like the Rays, Rockies, Marlins and Giants have reached the World Series in recent years with comparable or much smaller payrolls.
There has only been ONE World Series played @ Turner Field, back in 1999.
And the Braves were swept in four games.
I don’t see another in the near or distant future.
January 6th, 20136:04 pm
“Teams don’t like to trade with Wren because he usually beats them. Hey, not FW’s fault that he is good at what he does.” – Disgusted
This is so comical I almost fell out of my chair !
Is it possible nobody likes talking trade with Frank Wren is because he has little to offer in return? The much-ballyhooed pitching prospects Frank has been hoarding aren’t rated too high outside the organization. Who’d want Dan Uggla? The minor leagues are devoid of any highly rated position players. Outside of Simmons, Freeman, Heyward, Miner, Medlin, Prado or the bullpen studs, who is Wren going to offer in trade, Schafer? Francisco?
January 6th, 20136:25 pm
Depending on where Prado starts, looks like the Braves are going cheap on either 3B or LF.
With Uggla hitting .220 and no guarantee McCann’s offense will rebound, kind of hard to get excited. With Chipper gone I see a marked decrease in attendance at The Ted in 2013.
January 6th, 20136:35 pm
@Disgusted Give me something to get excited about and I will be the first to praise them. Right noe Tey are a bunch of LOSERS anmde have proved it. Get Wren off his tailbone and get us some hitters,then they might be OK. Right now LOSERS LOSERS LOSERS!!!
January 6th, 20136:36 pm
Reality Check.. It’s so interesting that you say we have nothing to offer and that our farm system is devoid of any highly rated position players and then go on to mention the following players. Simmons, Freeman, Heyward, and Prado….. ALL of them are Braves homegrown talent and all of them will be All-Star caliber players for years to come. Not to mention Medlen, Beachy, Minor, Kimbrel, Ventors, EOF, Teheran, Delgado and Bethancourt are homegrown and either have already or will soon be contributing to the Braves success.
Only 3 teams can say they won more than 94 games last year. The Yankees, Cincinnati and Washington. By the way NONE of them won the WS either. It’s not Wren’s or Fredi’s fault that Chipper threw our season into right field in the Wild Card game. Medlen had that game under control and even though Fredi took lot of criticism they day before the game when he announced he was starting Ross and sitting McCann, Ross had them in position to win the game.
Some of you guys need to look at the league as a whole and see how well our team is doing and the kind of position we are in for long term success on a strict budget. None of you could come close to doing the job the Braves front office has done.
Either be a Braves fan and get behind this team or go home and make your family’s miserable with all of your negativity… I for one am sick of you…
January 6th, 20136:45 pm
We are sick of being LOSERS LOSERS LOSERS!!!
January 6th, 20137:25 pm
couldn’t have said it better myself…
January 6th, 20137:41 pm
I am pretty excited seeing BJ Upton and Heyward on the same team with their 30/30 potential.
Rest assured that Uggla and Mc Cann will be better in 2013. Uggla will be better I am certain.
And Wren did not get ripped off with Derek Lowe who did give some innings and 31 wins in 09 and 10. So, he overpaid — who is not overpaid.
Kawakami , that was a different matter. So the Rafael Soriano move did not work out — all GM’s make a bad move from time to time.
The Mc Louth deal did not work for either team.
Liberty Media really does suck — mediocre ownership, otherwise its a fine baseball org.
There are worse owners than LM but there are plenty better.
Since 2009 the Braves have mattered — all under FW’s watch. And I do lose my patience with the Fredi Gonzalez bashers.
January 6th, 20137:45 pm
If Gattis or Francisco do make it all the stuff about a LF will go away.
Even with the cut payroll they should not finish lower than second. Washington will be tough though. I am not sold on the Phillies though they should be better this yr.
Forget the Marlins and Muts — they are irrelevant.
January 6th, 20138:30 pm
Gattis is unproven. He is a wash. Francico Hr or nothing, Have no replacements for who braves lost/ Only thing in minors is pitching that no one wants, Braves got worse because Wren won’t trade his 1 yr wonder to get a hitter. He is proud of his bullpen. Game will be over when bullpen comes in. Braves don’t score enogh runs. Got 3 hitters- Prado, Freeman and Heyward. 3 hitters don’t win. Braves LOSERS again
January 6th, 201310:03 pm
Angel Eyes…… I think you’re going to be proven very wrong calling Simmons a 1yr wonder. Every great player at one time was a rookie and he has all the markings of a great one. Let’s see how he’s doing late in the season next year and beyond. Remember the Rangers wouldn’t trade Andrus or Profar to the D’Backs for Upton either and neither would the Indians with Cabrera. That signals to me that GM’s including the D’Backs Towers value a great SS more than a LF’er. So why would Wren trade a player that has the chance to be really special at SS for a corner outfielder? I’m really glad he didn’t. If we can still get Upton without giving up Simmons it might be the thing to do but I’d rather have Simmons than Upton any day. There are some projections that Simmons may be THE most valuable defensive player on the field next year in all of baseball. Runs saved are runs you don’t have to score to win.
To say we have pitching that no one wants is almost laughable. The Braves have several pitchers that other teams have tried to pry from Wren. He simply hasn’t been made an offer to match up with our needs or for enough talent to justify letting them go. (One exception was almost trading Delgado for Dempster) thank God Dempster vetoed the trade. Other than that the Phillies and Nat’s overpaid for Span and Revere. We have Upton and our pitching still in hand. I’d rather have Upton than either Span or Revere and wait and see there will either be a need for that pitching due to injury or a better time to trade them when another team is desperate for a starter and we can get a better return for them.
Lighten up man… It’s only baseball. Why don’t you enjoy it a little?
January 6th, 201311:05 pm
“Since 2009 the Braves have mattered — all under FW’s watch.” – Disgusted
They haven’t won their division since 2005. Nothing for Frank Wren to hang his hat on here.
I’ll have whatever you are drinking !
January 7th, 20136:45 am
With Chipper’s farewell over I predict Turner Field will resemble old Atlanta Fulton-County stadium after August 1st, with crowds no more than 10,000 a game.
Can’t get too excited about BJ Upton and his whopping .298 OBP. With 169 strikeouts you’d think he’d have more than 28 homeruns last season. I guess Frank Wren felt compelled to invest 75 million in someone to make Uggla feel better about himself.
January 7th, 20136:58 am
If Upton is getting $15 mil a season, what will Heyward & Freeman be getting in a few years? They likely won’t be ending their careers in a Braves’ uniform !
January 7th, 20137:41 am
With the salaries of Lowe (15 million), Chipper (13 million) and Kawakami (7 million) of the books,
shouldn’t there be some money left to spend even after giving Upton 15 million?
January 7th, 20137:59 am
Marlins talking w/Padres about Stanton; Orioles talking w/Diamondbacks about Kubel.
Frank Wren’s phone must be out of order.
January 7th, 20131:23 pm
I agree, Braves won’t be there. We have Uggla Mr Strike out king who has not lived up to hype, We have BJ Upton who will forget how to hit and be best friends with Uggla and we have a team who will take a 3rd baseman from 3rd to left and back and forth. Heck, I did not even know who the lineup was last year. Hitting 1st, now hitting 4th, now in the 3rd spot. I got tired of watching and just stopped. I love the Braves but the Owners, this GM and our New Manager have not got the skills to run this club. Three things have to change. Liberty, Wren and Gonzalez. All three are a bust.
January 7th, 20131:31 pm
Why do we want Kubel? He’s going to make $7.5 Million or better next year he hit .253 and struck out 151 times.. yes he hit 30 homers but his average over the last 5 years is 22HR. He strikes out 3 times as much as he walks (even Uggla does better than that) and he’s not great defensively. I think we have a good chance to get 30 Hrs out of a Francisco/Gattis rotation for league minimum and no prospects traded. Even if the Diamondbacks GAVE him to us which they won’t I’m not seeing an upgrade over Francisco/Gattis. I’ll bet they hit north of .265 with 32HRs and 90RBI if they play. Francisco will play more because there is more RH pitching so I’d bet he hits 18 HRs and drives in 55 at least.. That leaves Gattis to only have to hit 14 HRs and drive in 35 to make it work.
This outcome which isn’t hard to believe IMO saves the Braves $6.5 Million and a couple of prospects. I say unless we can get a superstar in the making in return like Stanton or Headley we stay put until at least spring training and see how these guys shake out. No reason to spend money and trade chips unless we are guaranteed an upgrade and I don’t see one in Kubel.
January 7th, 20131:34 pm
I’m still available for left field! Let’s give it another try.
January 7th, 20131:46 pm
Brave New World
January 7th, 20132:16 pm
2013 NL East Predictions: Nats 90-100 wins; Braves 90-95 wins; Phils: 75-85 wins; Mets 70-80 wins; and Marlins 60-70 wins.
January 7th, 20135:15 pm
“Why do we want Kubel? He’s going to make $7.5 Million or better next year he hit .253 and struck out 151 times..” – BravesFanInNashville
Compared to BJ Upton, Kubel would be a bargain; half the salary BJ is getting, with better numbers.
January 7th, 20135:50 pm
You paid $15 million a year for BJ Upton and you are happy with the signing.
Yet Jason Kubel had better numbers in 2012 and is getting paid HALF of what Upton is getting, but you don’t want him.
I know math and education in the South is subpar but this is ridiculous !
January 7th, 20135:58 pm
Jason Kubel in 2012: 30 HR, 90 RBI, .253 BA, .327 OBP, 151 strikeouts, $7.5 million in 2013
BJ Upton in 2012: 28 HR, 78 RBI, .246 BA, .298 OBP, 169 strikeouts, $15 million in 2013
Upton is a real bargain (LMAO !)
January 7th, 20136:58 pm
Jason Kubel in 2012: 30 HR, 90 RBI, .253 BA, .327 OBP, 151 strikeouts, $7.5 million in 2013
BJ Upton in 2012: 28 HR, 78 RBI, .246 BA, .298 OBP, 169 strikeouts, $15 million in 2013
Upton is a real bargain (LMAO !) — Phillies Phanatic
One of them became a free agent this winter and the other didn’t. If Kubel were a free agent, he’d not be making $7.5 million in ‘13.
By the way, over past 3 seasons, Kubel made $16.85 million and had 74 doubles, 8 triples, 63 homers, 180 runs, 240 RBIs, 2 steals.
In that 3-year period, Upton made $14.825 million and had 94 doubles, 11 triples, 69 homers, 250 runs, 221 RBIs, 109 steals.
Oh, and Kubel is 30 and Upton is 28.
Upton is no bargain at $75 million over 5 seasons, but comparing him to Kubel is apples/oranges. And I haven’t even mentioned defense.
January 7th, 20137:02 pm
@Reality Check — Cannot compare the record of JS with that of Wren given the cheap budget that Wren has to work with.
Even under Time Warner for a time the Braves were still operating with a payroll in the top third in the game.
I know TW got cheap after the 2003 season.
Things are different under the current parent corporation — Wren has been fine with what he has to work with.
Things have changed since 2007. They changed after 03, but its all business now with the corporate sharks.
Since the disasterous 08 season the Braves have been quite respectable. With a cheap payroll.
January 7th, 20137:05 pm
With Upton you are paying for upside and I think we will get alot more than a .298 OPB and .246 avg.
I see BJ hitting .270 with a .340 OBP plus the power and speed. The tools are there to be an above average defender.
Heyward and Upton 30/30 men in 2013 — count on it. Throw it back up to me if I am wrong.
January 7th, 20137:06 pm
Kubel might get Swisher type of $$$$$$$$$ if he were to be a FA.
January 7th, 20137:45 pm
Kubel has no speed and is a below average defensive player, so comparing him to BJ Upton is ridiculous. And let’s talk about Michael Young – what are the Phils paying for this high-priced has been?
@BravesFanIN Nashville You sure are in love with Gattis and Francicco. Gattis very unproven Might hie 30 HRS in a PILL BOX. Not ready. Francisco showed that he can do nothing bur Hr and KO. Upton, Uggla, Francisco Lead the league in KOs. Simmons don’t hit a lick. Mccann,Laird washed up Too much pitching that don’t produce. Where the runs coming from. Answer: NOWHERE. Braves LOSE again and again and again!!!
And a Day of Rain
January 7th, 20137:49 pm
DOB- Maybe you have addressed it and I didn’t see it but is it true that MLB is giving $25 million to each team in 2014 as a distribution from national TV? And that a club could spend its bounty this year if so desired?
Braves fan in queens
January 7th, 20138:24 pm
what are the odds Wren watches this game gets amped to feel playoff pressure, decides to call boras and offer 2 yr. 27 million contract??? would bourn take it?
January 7th, 20138:53 pm
@Braves fan in queens No Bourn doesn’t pitch. Wren only likes pitching. Also not that smart
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January 7th, 20138:59 pm
Angel eyes: it makes absolutely NO sense to calling Andrelton Simmons a “one year wonder” …….
January 7th, 20139:08 pm
He will prove it. All glove no bat
January 7th, 20139:20 pm
Angel Eyes… Never said I thought Gattis would hit 30hrs next year. I said I thought a rotation of Gattis/ Francisco and Prado with Prado playing everyday and Gattis against LH and Francisco against RH, that the combo of Gattis/Francisco would produce 32HR and 90 RBI. I stand by that if they play. If Wren fills LF with a trade than obviously that doesn’t apply.
Also you are going to be proven wrong on Simmons. He’s a ball player and he’ll be a top SS on both sides of the ball within 2 years. Braves fans still aren’t over trading Elvis Andrus and that’s because great SS are really rare. Simmons will make us forget about Andrus. Writes it down and call me out on it later if I’m wrong .
January 7th, 20139:30 pm
Gattis and Francisco couldn’t hie 30 hrs combined in a little league game Put Hudson in lF. He would do better than them. He’s a pitcher. You and Wren love pitching. Puo Venters at SS . Simmons won’t hit maybe your pitching will. You and Wren love pitching. Good luck with your little league team that doe’s NOT hit.
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January 7th, 201311:20 pm
Angel Eyes …. I can see when I’m outmatched in a conversation.. All the best to you and your new Bride!
January 8th, 20137:59 am
Who’d want Jason Kubel in LF when we have Schafer or Gattis?
Kubel would also show up Upton & Uggla who both make double what Kubel does.
January 8th, 20138:29 am
Write all comments down and when the Braves are 10 0r more games out in late May tell me how great Wren is. Cannot believe how much love hes getting for doing nothing. For those that believe hang in, For those that know hes no good its about time to move. I still love the Braves but Wren makes it very hard to stay around.
Bob the Blogger
January 8th, 20138:44 am
Constanza should at least be considered for a platoon in left field with Reed Johnson. He won the batting title at AAA last year. In 205 MLB ABs, Constanza has a .281 average with a .332 OBP, – not too bad for a rookie playing part time. Schafer didn’t hit that well in the minors, yet he was handed a starting job. Schafer’s defense is better than Constanza’s, but we’re talking about left field here. We need a lead off hitter more than anything else.
January 8th, 201310:27 am
DOB- Maybe you have addressed it and I didn’t see it but is it true that MLB is giving $25 million to each team in 2014 as a distribution from national TV? And that a club could spend its bounty this year if so desired? — And a Day of Rain
Sure, they can spend it if their owners say they can spend it. But it’s money they won’t see until next season, so it’s money that teams like the Braves won’t spend until they have it.
Braves'Fan & Observor
January 8th, 201310:59 am
with Chipper & Bourn gone, Beachy disabled, and McCann rehabbing til May or so, how is this current roster any better than the one that won 94 games in 2012 ?
January 8th, 201311:16 am
Wait, wait, wait! Angel Eyes is a dude?!?!?
January 8th, 201312:37 pm
A very, very, very negative DUDE?!?!
January 8th, 20131:49 pm
“how is this current roster any better than the one that won 94 games in 2012 ?” – Braves’ Fan & Observor
ITS NOT !
Fly on the Wall
January 8th, 20131:57 pm
Still here…waiting for the 1st pitch of the 2013 season…
January 8th, 20132:53 pm
Angel eyes, you do realize that the Braves have had one of the best records in baseball the past two years, right? We are sitting on all that pitching that is slowly making it’s way to the Bigs. In two years Huddy will be done, do you want to trade for a pitcher then or keep what we have and have a great pitcher at a very low cost?
I think as long as you are not an adviser to the Braves GM, we will be fine.
January 8th, 20133:28 pm
That one game playoff is a joke…all games played in MLB are typically a 3 game series. Too much on the line at seasons end for just a one game. They should change that to at least a 3 game playoff.
January 8th, 20133:29 pm
I know A.J. McCarron’s girlfriend is hot, the current Miss Alabama.
I hear Chipper has a little hottie as well; she’s even made some “movies”.
I just love Dixie, BBQ, great football & beautiful babes.
Next time I’m in Tuscaloosa for a big game look for me over at Dreamland BBQ eating some ribs.
January 8th, 20137:53 pm
Ok, Nats signed LaRoache so lets see if we can work out a deal and get Mike Morse who you can count on to hit around .300 with 30 home runs with 110RBIs if he plays full time.
January 8th, 20138:03 pm
@jbailZ23 Of course I am a dude. Never said I wasn’t @ Negative Crep. I am aware that Braves won 94 games. But all that pitching didn’t win. Got to hit and score runs. If that pitching isw so good, why hasn,t he traded to get a hitter ANSWER: No body wants them.
January 8th, 20138:07 pm
@Reality Finally somebody agrees with me that the Braves are worse not better. Get some OFFENSE.
February 23rd, 20133:25 pm
Hey guys; I’m start’n to get “Lonely Blog Fright”; I’m scared, HELLO?
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