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nolie
January 3rd, 2013
4:06 pm
All I’m saying is that 9% dissatisfaction with something a business does is a pretty high rate..Shaun
you are kidding, right? That leaves 90% satisfied, and business would likely thrive greatly with a 90% satisfaction rate.
TennesseePaul
January 3rd, 2013
4:06 pm
The DH is coming to the NL sooner rather than later with regular interleague play. The sooner we all accept it, the happier we all are
That’s one way to look at it. I’ve always viewed it this way: With regular interleague play, the DH is on its way out of baseball and into the dust bin of history.
David O'Brien
January 3rd, 2013
4:08 pm
Braves vs. Phillies to be Opening Night game on ESPN2
http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2013/01/03/braves-vs-phillies-in-opening-night-game-on-espn2/
phil
January 3rd, 2013
4:08 pm
cabravesfan
January 3rd, 2013
4:00 pm
Factual errors should be corrected.
***********
Yes. Every single time, no exceptions.
RC
January 3rd, 2013
4:08 pm
For all the Braves problems of having a too-left handed lineup at times last year, Jeff Fletcher of the Orange County Register posted a crazy stat about the 2012 Angels today:
AB vs RHP as RHB 2646
AB vs RHP as LHB 1406
AB vs LHP as RHB 1477
AB vs LHP as LHB 7
I can see why they weren’t that worried about Hamilton making them “too left-handed”.
Jordan
January 3rd, 2013
4:09 pm
Dave, I appreciate you being willing to take a position contrary to most other reporters. I am glad you are willing to ditch the logo if Native Americans want it ditched, I think a process seeking their approval should have occurred first though. Also, the Fighting Irish analogy is flawed. It is flawed because Notre Dame has very real connections to actual Irish Catholics, I assume there are many Irish Catholics in high positions there. Are there any high ranking Native Americans in Braves management, ownership, or anywhere in their history? A more appropriate analogy would be for Notre Dame to make their mascot a silly “fighting Anabaptist” (a group persecuted by Catholics during the reformation). If Notre Dame did that, I would definitely protest, and I hope some journalists would as well.
phil
January 3rd, 2013
4:11 pm
Ok, nolie, since factual errors should be corrected, apparently always, here goes….
It’s 91%, not 90%, when one subtractts 91 from 100.
I feel pretty darn superior now.
ncscoots
January 3rd, 2013
4:11 pm
you are kidding, right? That leaves 90% satisfied, and business would likely thrive greatly with a 90% satisfaction rate.
Beyond that, let’s not think that a blog poll is in any way a scientific survey, or has even a passing resemblance to an accurate sampling. I mean, come on.
TennesseePaul
January 3rd, 2013
4:11 pm
That’s all I’m saying. Looking at this purely from a business perspective, 9% isn’t completely insignificant.
You’re looking at a lopsided and limited data set from a closed point of view Payne. Your assumption is that the business had 100% satisfaction and took a course of action which resulted in 9% dissatisfaction. Or worse yet, assuming the business could gain back a significant portion of that 9% by bowing to their demands while not losing any of the 91% it currently has.
What then
January 3rd, 2013
4:11 pm
If you haven’t had enough racial discussion today, pop over to Grantland. They just posted an article about ‘Django’ and the use of the n-word. Have a ball:
http://www.grantland.com/blog/hollywood-prospectus/post/_/id/64541/django-the-n-word-and-how-we-talk-about-race-in-2013
phil
January 3rd, 2013
4:13 pm
then again, subtract has only one t and it’s actually 9% when 91 is taken from 100%…..
It’s good to be right.
DAP
January 3rd, 2013
4:13 pm
shaun if a business made a decision, surveyed their customers and got a 9% dissatisfaction rate, they would most likely view that as a concern…Looking at this purely from a business perspective, 9% isn’t completely insignificant.
except that it isnt 9% of customers. its 9% of people who know about the issue, read the aritlce and cared enough to vote on it.
the poll has 2600 votes total, which is about 17% of Turner Field on a Friday home game. out of THAT 17%, only 8% are offended by it. thats about half of 1% of the people at Turner Field on a Friday home game. thats not a significant number, especially considering, as DOB pointed out, that some of the offended people who voted arent even Braves fans.
ncscoots
January 3rd, 2013
4:14 pm
Also, the Fighting Irish analogy is flawed.
That would merely put it in the company of every analogy posted here in the last day or so.
I know we’ve been trying, but our analogies have been weak, people! Weak, I say! Let’s man up out there!
Murph
January 3rd, 2013
4:15 pm
All I’m saying is that 9% dissatisfaction with something a business does is a pretty high rate.
I dunno…. if Dennys changed the bread on their infamous (and delicious) Moons Over My Hammy sandwich and 1 out of 10 people didn’t like it, I doubt they’d change it back.
phil
January 3rd, 2013
4:16 pm
Now it’s only 8 percent?
I tell ya…
phil
January 3rd, 2013
4:17 pm
Moons over my hammy….hadn’t thought of that in years!
Time for a visit….
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
January 3rd, 2013
4:18 pm
phil—
Haha, oh yeah! And thanks, man…
DAP
January 3rd, 2013
4:19 pm
RC I can see why they weren’t that worried about Hamilton making them “too left-handed”.
yes, because the vast majority of pitchers are right handed, and having lefty mashers is a good way to score alot of runs off those guys.
Voice of Harold
January 3rd, 2013
4:21 pm
nolie,
for my part, I’m pointing out that comments like Murph’s 3:19 and 3:39 are the problem. I appreciate your perspective, and your work.
cabravesfan
January 3rd, 2013
4:21 pm
phil-
If one’s entire point is based on faulty facts, why shouldn’t it be mentioned? I suppose we should just let them go on arguing something that is just not true.
I don’t know what I did to make you act the way you do to me, but I suspect nothing will change, so I’ll just move on.
Mr Pitts
January 3rd, 2013
4:23 pm
“how about getting a real owner for this lack luster team instead of worrying about a logo.Braves will play 2nd an 3rd fiddle to Washington and the Phillies”
20+ teams each year play 2nd or 3rd fiddle. It happens and is all to common in some markets.
RC
January 3rd, 2013
4:23 pm
yes, because the vast majority of pitchers are right handed, and having lefty mashers is a good way to score alot of runs off those guys.
And cause picking up Hamilton is a good way to score runs off of nearly any pitcher.
It just surprised me how few left-handed hitters they had on their team last year. It would appear to be none in the starting lineup.
ohhhhYEAH
January 3rd, 2013
4:24 pm
And this is why racism still exists. These liberal, hippie, over-sensitive crybabies that want to cry “RACISM RACISM!” at any hint of an opportunity. Now they’ve taken it so far as to whine about a logo on a freakin hat, one that, by the way, almost everyone I’ve talked with seems to love. Since a bunch of you idiots still think this picture is racist, allow me to give you the definition of racism: hatred or intolerance of another race or races. Now, would the Atlanta Braves, a team that many love (opposite of hate) put on their bp hats a symbol of a people that they hate? The Atlanta Braves are proud of their namesake, and in that pride they express it by including this proud warrior on their-caps and all you crybaby liberal “anti-racists” want to do is cry about it because YOU think it’s offensive. If people such as yourselves would just drop the whole racism thing, people would stop getting so uptight and irrationally overly sensitive. Now, I’ve said my piece, can’t wait to order mine
nolie
January 3rd, 2013
4:25 pm
that was cab, not me phil. though in general I agree that flaws should be pointed out if they are egregious .I was giving ol shaun the benefit of the doubt of 1 %, I really can add and subtract. Glad you are feeling so superior now though
phil
January 3rd, 2013
4:27 pm
Cab, you did nothing. I’m not mad at you or anything like that, if it even matters. I’ve just always found that trait about you to be amusing,and annoying, and I’m very direct in saying so. Of course you’re right that if untrue, correct it. I’m just not so sure it always makes sense to do so over every little thing. It reminds me of the daily tongue-lashing from my wife, usually over next to nothing. Maybe that’s why I react like this?
After all, you guys pound on me if i say Mac is, well, you know., because it annoys you.
Anyway, you’re fine by me.
Voice of Harold
January 3rd, 2013
4:31 pm
Ron Burgundy: Boy, that escalated quickly… I mean, that really got out of hand fast.
mercy.
phil
January 3rd, 2013
4:31 pm
ohhhhYEAH has ended the discussion with his/her definitive manifesto on this issue…
Thank you.
Murph
January 3rd, 2013
4:31 pm
I’m pointing out that comments like Murph’s 3:19 and 3:39 are the problem.
Again, I had no part in the “genocide” of American Indians, I had no part in the formation of reservations. Neither did any of my family or my wife’s family. We’re fairly fresh off the boat in the grand scheme of the United States history. What they’ve done on other continents is another matter, but here? Fine, upstanding citizens.
I feel no guilt for liking the logo. I won’t allow anyone to make me feel guilty for liking the logo. And I won’t hesitate to buy a hat featuring the new logo should it actually be released.
I don’t feel that anyone is wrong for being offended by the logo. I just don’t feel like I need to be offended because you are offended.
Voice of Harold
January 3rd, 2013
4:33 pm
Now they’ve taken it so far as to whine about a logo on a freakin hat, one that, by the way, almost everyone I’ve talked with seems to love
I wonder how different their perspective is from yours.
Cliff Fiscal
January 3rd, 2013
4:33 pm
ohhhhYEAH – Could it be that you are “so uptight and irrationally overly sensitive” about the people complaining about the logo on the hat? Otherwise, why would you immediately call these people racist and crybabies and hippies, etc.
The point is that rather than resort to such namecalling, maybe it is best to engage in a dialogue with reason, intelligence, and a touch of humility. There are intelligent people all over with views that differ. But then again, it is easier to attack then engage.
Lew
January 3rd, 2013
4:35 pm
I wouldn’t be so all fired certain that everyone who thinks the logo is offensive is a bleeding heart liberal, or that everyone who really doesn’t care is some kind of Neo Con or some such creature.
phil
January 3rd, 2013
4:36 pm
“…reason, intelligence, and a touch of humility.”
Wrong place for that, friend.
Voice of Harold
January 3rd, 2013
4:36 pm
Murph,
All I hear you say in that explanation is that you don’t give a rat’s arse about how other people feel or think. Which was my point. Moving on.
cabravesfan
January 3rd, 2013
4:37 pm
phil-
On a blog like this, where people make arguments based on stats and comparisons between players, I do think in is important to be factually accurate when doing so. Even if it’s something as simple as “Player X won 14 games last year” when he really won 15. It may not seem like much, but it does matter to me. I don’t do it to feel superior or to make others feel dumb. It really is a simple matter of being accurate. Which is why I always look up stats, if I am going to use them, before I post something.
Anyways, thanks
We’re good
ncscoots
January 3rd, 2013
4:37 pm
for my part, I’m pointing out that comments like Murph’s 3:19 and 3:39 are the problem.
I’m just spitballin’ here, but my guess is that, of all the things we might find problematic about our society, Murph is kinda low on the list.
In fact, I’d suggest that even the most obtuse, most culturally unaware, most historically ignorant fraction of our society that would go “Huh?” at even the most eloquent explanation of the catastrophic back-story of the proposed Braves’ logo, is kinda low on the list.
Voice of Harold
January 3rd, 2013
4:37 pm
Agreed, Lew.
Cliff Fiscal
January 3rd, 2013
4:38 pm
“Wrong place for that, friend”
My bad.
Murph
January 3rd, 2013
4:39 pm
All I hear you say in that explanation is that you don’t give a rat’s arse about how other people feel or think.
This is true.
Shaun
January 3rd, 2013
4:39 pm
nolie, anyone who is angry and personally attacking folks and getting righteous about this need to read your 3:54 pm post.
I can see both sides. My view is simply that if something could be construed as offensive to a certain group, probably best not to do it, if you don’t have to, especially a business.
I don’t know that any of the more reasonable critics are sitting behind their keyboard telling others what they should or shouldn’t do. I think the reasonable critics are simply pointing out that the mascot may be offensive to some and why is may be and why it may not be the best idea for the Braves to proceed with using it. To try to turn this in to some fight over gaining American Indians any rights that were taken from them, particularly during early parts of American history, is absolutely being self-righteous and annoying. For those that think the mascot thing is a bad idea, I think they are more concerned with just avoiding something that is easily avoidable that might happen to offend some people. It’s essentially about trying to be respectful and nice to people. Not some grand fight about human rights. Anyone who is trying to make it in to that (and is not backing it up with more serious actions) is going overboard, in my opinion.
Voice of Harold
January 3rd, 2013
4:40 pm
ncscoots,
I actually disagree with some of that. I think civility is something we’re missing these days. Cliff Fiscal has it right.
But there are a lot of big fish to fry.
Murph
January 3rd, 2013
4:41 pm
I’m just spitballin’ here, but my guess is that, of all the things we might find problematic about our society, Murph is kinda low on the list.
We’ll see if you feel the same way when Murph’s Manifesto is released.
You’re either with me… or against me.
raleighbravefan
January 3rd, 2013
4:41 pm
nolie – Hang in there, my friend…and thanks a bunch for your good works in the 60’s. Ironically, I had a hard time understanding “what the big deal was” at the time…I was young and naive, never considering how things may be affecting someone else.
Looking back on those times, I am embarrassed that I didn’t really understand discrimination, and couldn’t see how some in our society were treated. I feel we have come a long way, which is a good thing. As with most things, there’s always room for improvement.
Voice of Harold
January 3rd, 2013
4:42 pm
Holy Crap! I agree with Shaun! What does this mean?
Lew
January 3rd, 2013
4:42 pm
This is a great country. If you don’t like a candidate, you are allowed to vote against him/her. If you don’t like a product, then you are not forced to purchase it – buy another one that pleases you or does not offend you. If all that is hurt are your delicate sensibilities, the likelihood is you’ll get over it with no permanenet damage done.
74bravesjersey
January 3rd, 2013
4:44 pm
I’m Scott Irish; I respect & admire the Native-American Culture for what it stands for, & some of my friends who are native-americans don’t see the big deal. Native Americans are tough people, matter of fact, it didn’t make a difference to them who they faced whether the opposition had machine guns, cannons, etc…. what they stood for & fought for for centuries, they knew what being a true warrior was about, the true meaning living off the land, not being wasteful. They lived,fought,died w/honor. Having a baseball team w/ native American warrior persona would stand for Honor, that they took on a challenge, not buckle, American Natives did not snub their noses when opposition came, they faced trouble head on, didn’t take no crap from anyone that crossed them. I admire those who lived for just causes w/backbone, they knew how to be crafty when needed to, & planned, schemed wisely when trouble came. A Brave was rewarded w/ a feather(eagle) for taking on opposition weather greater numbers, or for protecting a village. To be Brave is Bold,Cunning,willing to die for just cause. These people as any (as you & I do or should)value Bravery. My Native American friends appreciate that there’s a baseball team carrying the word that they’ve for centuries strived for as a people. They are Brave & tough against any that crossed them, & enduring people against odds whether seasons & circumstances. Braves Endure to the end. It would be an honor to show admiration of what a certain set of people lived for,& they can say others from outside want to show appreciation for their fortitude, their genuiness, not deceiving, a very genuine culture that stood for not bending,breaking down but stared down hosts who moved in on their territory. My ancestors did that & they(native-americans) withstood that, not scared at all. Many, not all, but many are the Genuine article as a person, my native american friends appreciate a baseball team w/the word they strive for & showing an native american warrior giving a rallying cry or yell against any opposing them wrongly.
RC
January 3rd, 2013
4:44 pm
Holy Crap! I agree with Shaun! What does this mean?
In this particular case, I think it means you are a reasonable, well-meaning human being. Congratulations
ncscoots
January 3rd, 2013
4:44 pm
We’re fairly fresh off the boat in the grand scheme of the United States history.
Well, from that viewpoint, I probably have as much cred as anyone here on the the issue of ancestral guilt. Members of my family have served this country since 1812, including some in The Indian Wars. I have no doubt that those men fought giving no mercy and no quarter, because they expected none. I cannot hold them guilty for that, nor myself for their actions.
Lew
January 3rd, 2013
4:45 pm
Murph – IF you give a rat’s arse, the Package is in the mail – . But if you DO give a rat’s arse, please don’t send it to Vermont.
You should have it either on Saturday or Monday.
phil
January 3rd, 2013
4:45 pm
Voice of Harold
January 3rd, 2013
4:36 pm
Murph,
All I hear you say in that explanation is that you don’t give a rat’s arse about how other people feel or think. Which was my point. Moving on.
*************
He said nothing of the sort.
Change
January 3rd, 2013
4:46 pm
I thought all the Indians were made to walk out of Georgia on the Trail of Tears? So why use them in a sports logo for a team based in Georgia? Knock, knock!
Shaun
January 3rd, 2013
4:46 pm
The Fighting Irish analogy would work better if some English soccer team, perhaps located in Northern Ireland, named themselves the Fighting Irish.
raleighbravefan
January 3rd, 2013
4:46 pm
Murph – I’m not against you…I’m mostly amused by you. At any rate, I consider you relatively harmless, but PLEASE don’t sic your younger daughter on me.
ncscoots
January 3rd, 2013
4:47 pm
I think civility is something we’re missing these days.
On that, we can agree, with equal lamentation.
phil
January 3rd, 2013
4:48 pm
Then again, apparently he did! lol
MikeInFl
January 3rd, 2013
4:48 pm
Great idea to introduce this subject to the blog. Nah, the logo couldn’t possibly be divisive; look at how well it’s pulled everyone together here.
Voice of Harold
January 3rd, 2013
4:50 pm
phil,
actually, he did. read his comments.
phil
January 3rd, 2013
4:50 pm
What has EVER pulled everyone here together, aside from some tragic news perhaps?
phil
January 3rd, 2013
4:51 pm
I saw that, Harold, though the initial comment led me to believe otherwise…
Oh well. He can think what he wants anyway.
nolie
January 3rd, 2013
4:53 pm
NOTHING can pull everybody here together
Voice of Harold
January 3rd, 2013
4:53 pm
yeah, he can think what he wants. at least now I know where he’s coming from.
raleighbravefan
January 3rd, 2013
4:53 pm
phil – True….but this would be a pretty dull forum if we all agreed.
I’ve always said you cannot learn anything new by only talking to people with whom you always agree.
DAP
January 3rd, 2013
4:54 pm
change I thought all the Indians were made to walk out of Georgia on the Trail of Tears? So why use them in a sports logo for a team based in Georgia? Knock, knock!
not all of them.
they started being called the braves in boston. an important thing to remember…the term “Brave” or “Braves” is not specific to any particular people group. its was applied across ethnicities. it isnt referring specifically to american indians in the southeast region, northeast region, mid west region, ect. it is a broad term, not a specific one.
nolie
January 3rd, 2013
4:54 pm
actually 8% disagreement is about as close to unanimous as this place gets
Murph
January 3rd, 2013
4:55 pm
Murph – I’m not against you…I’m mostly amused by you. At any rate, I consider you relatively harmless, but PLEASE don’t sic your younger daughter on me.
I should run this by her and see what she thinks. And then, when she has spoken, I will come back here and tell you all how you are expected to think. Heaven help you if you don’t fall in line with the soon-to-be 5 year old. Reservations will look like resorts compared to what she has in store for the dissenters.
DAP
January 3rd, 2013
4:55 pm
let me clarify…not all of the cherokee left on the trail of tears.
74bravesjersey
January 3rd, 2013
4:57 pm
Good points taken about the ancestory guilt deal, & none here given nor taken, but it’s just the measure of what the original natives that were on this land 1st are not all offended about a baseball team w/ an a native american warrior as a logo. They appreciate Bravery as many of us do.
Cherokee Kid
January 3rd, 2013
4:57 pm
sure didn’t DAP
RC
January 3rd, 2013
4:57 pm
What has EVER pulled everyone here together, aside from some tragic news perhaps?
Killing Bin Ladin? Even that has it’s tragic side to it (not that he’s dead….the event that started the hunt for him)
phil
January 3rd, 2013
4:59 pm
Heck, I like the disagreement….well, most of it.
ncscoots
January 3rd, 2013
4:59 pm
Reservations will look like resorts compared to what she has in store for the dissenters.
Gulags will look like Club Med.
(Word on the street is that she will be Director Of Security once the Manifesto is in place. You have been warned.)
Lew
January 3rd, 2013
5:00 pm
Nah, not even tragic news brings everyone here together. When Skip died, there were a few who cast aspersions on his chacracter.
Murph
January 3rd, 2013
5:01 pm
Harold, you don’t know me from anyone else around here. Let’s just say…. take what I say with a grain of salt.
If you knew anything about me, where I grew up, the kind of people I grew up around, and the kind of person I am you’d know that all I’m doing here is trying to keep the blog lively.
I meant what I said, though, when I said that I don’t judge people who are offended by the logo…. and that they shouldn’t judge me for not being offended by the logo.
phil
January 3rd, 2013
5:01 pm
RC – there has to be at least one blogger out there who thought Bin Laden should’ve just been arrested. That person may never speak up, but surely he or she exists.
I actually had someone suggest to me yesterday that Bush was probably behind 9/11. An otherwise intelligent person. You can’t make this stuff up.
Voice of Harold
January 3rd, 2013
5:04 pm
Not to open up another can, but I do have a question: can someone suggest a good website for baseball stats?
I’m not a stats freak (sorry, Shaun. and I was just agreeing with you a minute ago…) but I do occasionally need a resource.
Lew
January 3rd, 2013
5:04 pm
phil- You don’t need to make things up – someone else likely beat you to it anyway and posted in on MLBTR.
TLH Gator
January 3rd, 2013
5:05 pm
Why open this can of worms just to sell some caps and t-shirts? Just stick with the traditional Braves script and tomahawk as the logo of the club. The team wisely moved away from the Indian logo in 1987 when it updated the uniform by bringing back the tomahawk. That was and is the best uniform in baseball.
BFChris28
January 3rd, 2013
5:05 pm
Beulahfest’s lineup this year here is …
Randy Houser
Confederate Railroad
John Anderson and The Kentucky Headhunters
I have no idea who they are. They any good?
phil
January 3rd, 2013
5:05 pm
I’m sure they did, Lew…ridiculous since we all knew about Skip’s issues for years.
Even Ernie Johnson, lord love the man, surely had his demons too.
We need to mine through them, I suppose, in an upcoming blog.
Lew
January 3rd, 2013
5:06 pm
Harold – BaseballReference.com
74bravesjersey
January 3rd, 2013
5:07 pm
Glad Ya’ll stood yer ground all these years, ye native folks, I commend you for holding yer ground, no cap tipp’n here, mabey a glass. Here’s too ya native sons. keep doin’ so for generations to come. Go scream’n warriors, & stand you’re ground!
Youth in Asia
January 3rd, 2013
5:07 pm
I propose a gorilla mascot with the caption: “Does this mascot rustle your jimmies?”
phil
January 3rd, 2013
5:07 pm
Confederate Railroad….
racist name.
I’m kidding.
MikeInFl
January 3rd, 2013
5:08 pm
Voice of Harold, baseball-reference.com is probably the most widely used.
Murph
January 3rd, 2013
5:08 pm
Speaking of bin laden, is anyone here as excited to see Zero Dark Thirty as I am? Can’t wait for that movie to come out.
Cherokee Kid
January 3rd, 2013
5:08 pm
ESPN has some good stats, some team ones that are otherwise harder to find, but for individual player stats Lew is right, BaseballReference.com shines
Shaun
January 3rd, 2013
5:09 pm
Voice of Harold, Baseball Reference, if you are looking for something that is like an online baseball encyclopedia. There is no site like it.
Voice of Harold
January 3rd, 2013
5:10 pm
Murph,
Okay. It’s true that I don’t know you, but you have put some things out there for our view. But, I’m not going to get too caught up in what you’re saying or doing on here, not going to speculate about why you would want to “keep the blog lively” by appearing to be incredibly insensitive. It’s all good.
Bay Area Steve
January 3rd, 2013
5:10 pm
Something Atlanta, Posnanski, and Springsteen has got to be link-worthy, right?
http://joeposnanski.blogspot.com/2012/12/springsteen-and-atlanta-shave.html
Voice of Harold
January 3rd, 2013
5:14 pm
Thanks all. I’ll check out Baseball Reference.
nolie
January 3rd, 2013
5:14 pm
yes I am Murph, I think Jan 11 gets a wider distribution
Murph
January 3rd, 2013
5:15 pm
not going to speculate about why you would want to “keep the blog lively” by appearing to be incredibly insensitive.
What did I say that was “incredibly insensitive”?
Cherokee Kid
January 3rd, 2013
5:16 pm
pretty controversial flick from what i read
Voice of Harold
January 3rd, 2013
5:20 pm
Murph,
See your 4:39 post for a start. I referenced others earlier.
Shaun
January 3rd, 2013
5:20 pm
Voice of Harold, I don’t consider myself a stat geek either, so don’t worry. Just a baseball geek.
Lane Kiffin
January 3rd, 2013
5:21 pm
Cab is Venice Jim going to stay away a few days after that slap down from DOB?
On one hand you say errors should be corrected and on the other you say if you don’t like someone’s post don’t read it. Which is it.
Murph
January 3rd, 2013
5:25 pm
Murph,
See your 4:39 post for a start. I referenced others earlier.
That was “incredibly insensitive”? Wow. Stick around here long enough and I bet I make you cry.
nolie
January 3rd, 2013
5:25 pm
yeah It is, comes across as pro-torture according to some
cabravesfan
January 3rd, 2013
5:25 pm
VJ is at work. And since he made his comment before DOB responded, he may not have even seen it.
Reading someone’s post & correcting an error have nothing to do with one another.
Voice of Harold
January 3rd, 2013
5:25 pm
Then I’m with you on that, Shaun. Love the game.
HooRah
January 3rd, 2013
5:26 pm
I am pretty sure that Harold is Lou, Murph. I doubt you can make him cry.