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raleighbravefan
January 2nd, 2013
3:59 pm
Wow. 26. Almost as low as my draft lottery number. Thank goodness for the ole college deferment.
VaBravesFan
January 2nd, 2013
3:59 pm
Murph
LMAO
ncscoots
January 2nd, 2013
4:00 pm
Notice the Braves Logo with the Mohawk cut is from a “Mohawk” Indian tribe.
Unfortunately, the Mohawks were not the only tribe to wear their hair in such a fashion. Pawnee and Osage warriors, among others, had a similar style. The Laughing Indian might not be Mohawk, is what I’m saying.
chipl1960
January 2nd, 2013
4:00 pm
Vizcaino plays for the Cubs now. In Maholm deal last July.
Voice of Reason
January 2nd, 2013
4:03 pm
I knew that – had my pitchers mixed up. Thanks Chip for setting me straight. My main purpose was to say that Mike Cuddyer was available and he has been an RBI man for both the Twins and Rockies, though a bit injured this last year.
TheOnlyBravesFan
January 2nd, 2013
4:03 pm
But they still have Mike Cuddyer on their roster and are looking at him as a part-time OF & 1B – I think his bat, savvy, leadership, and skills would fit very well in LF for the Braves and if offering either Delgado or Vizcaino
Hey Theo and Hoyer (Cubs), can I have Vizcaino back please?
bravesfaninnc
January 2nd, 2013
4:03 pm
I think we should go ahead and really upset the masses by bringing Chief Nocahoma back!
DAP
January 2nd, 2013
4:03 pm
you know what i find offensive? and this is not a joke. use of the term “native americans” to describe what i would call “american indians”.
RC
January 2nd, 2013
4:03 pm
History Fact:
Notice the Braves Logo with the Mohawk cut is from a “Mohawk” Indian tribe.
Their territory ranged to present-day southern Quebec and eastern Ontario.
For that their not Native American
Isn’t Canda part of North America?….
Reminds me of “Team America”:
“Location: Buenos Aires, South America. 5,160 miles south of the real America”
Mixxo
January 2nd, 2013
4:04 pm
A fresh take on a classic sound. These cats bring it.
Vintage Trouble…. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThZZnS4Jvwc
David O'Brien
January 2nd, 2013
4:05 pm
Would the new batting practice logo be acceptable if it showed an Indian scalping a white man? Would that make the liberals and the tree-huggers happy? — Homer the Brave
Talk about missing the point….
Cali Brave fan
January 2nd, 2013
4:05 pm
Can’t understand why these guys want to wast money and good prospects on an unnecessary trade for a left fielder we don’t really need. I think its in our best interest to have a position that is not locked up so we can give a chance to a young player from our minors like constanza are Gattis, And as far as leadoff i would go with prado he has a high OBP and forget stolen bases ala moneyball . I like the logo when can i buy one. I have never heard a single complaint from a native american about these mascots are logos and i live in a town in ca where the biggest employer is an indian casino. And ca is the home of these politicaly correct types.
Cali Brave fan
January 2nd, 2013
4:05 pm
Can’t understand why these guys want to wast money and good prospects on an unnecessary trade for a left fielder we don’t really need. I think its in our best interest to have a position that is not locked up so we can give a chance to a young player from our minors like constanza are Gattis, And as far as leadoff i would go with prado he has a high OBP and forget stolen bases ala moneyball . I like the logo when can i buy one. I have never heard a single complaint from a native american about these mascots are logos and i live in a town in ca where the biggest employer is an indian casino. And ca is the home of these politicaly correct types.
Coach (2013, Is the futre now?)
January 2nd, 2013
4:05 pm
I’d put that friggin logo on the home uniforms, the politically correct bastards be damned.
I don’t agree with the rankings concerning the 2013 Bravos. Too many holes, questions, not enough depth in the rotation. We don’t know who our LF or lead off guy is and won’t anytime soon.
But I will say this for our Braves: They are younger, more athletic, less apt to fall apart down the stretch, along with the best bullpen in ML baseball.
Cali Brave fan
January 2nd, 2013
4:05 pm
Can’t understand why these guys want to wast money and good prospects on an unnecessary trade for a left fielder we don’t really need. I think its in our best interest to have a position that is not locked up so we can give a chance to a young player from our minors like constanza are Gattis, And as far as leadoff i would go with prado he has a high OBP and forget stolen bases ala moneyball . I like the logo when can i buy one. I have never heard a single complaint from a native american about these mascots are logos and i live in a town in ca where the biggest employer is an indian casino. And ca is the home of these politicaly correct types.
VaBravesFan
January 2nd, 2013
4:07 pm
I remember in school in history class we were taught to call them “Native Americans”
VaBravesFan
January 2nd, 2013
4:10 pm
Michael Cuddyer to me falls into the “You know what your gonna get” category. Can’t really call him a upgrade. He would be more of a safe pick up to assure we get a certain amount of production. Players like Coco Crisp and David DeJesus I would also throw in that category.
Hillbilly
January 2nd, 2013
4:10 pm
I noticed that they gave him yellow skin… because it has scurvy? So now you’re mocking people with scurvy?? -Murph
Can’t. Stop. Laughing.
Murph
January 2nd, 2013
4:12 pm
Maybe they should go in a different direction and, rather than use american indians, use red dot India indians as the logo…. Saree Night would be a pretty awesome promotion.
Just a suggestion.
ncscoots
January 2nd, 2013
4:14 pm
I’d put that friggin logo on the home uniforms, the politically correct bastards be damned.
Yes, spite usually works as a basis for reasonable action.
dylan
January 2nd, 2013
4:16 pm
Personally I don’t see the logo being any more offensive than Washington having their name the redskins.
I think gattis will be an impact bat for the braves, his swing is phenomenal and his low k numbers are incredible
RC
January 2nd, 2013
4:16 pm
Yes, spite usually works as a basis for reasonable action.
Unfortunately, didn’t work when Seinfeld wanted to return the sports coat.
DAP
January 2nd, 2013
4:17 pm
jmart1951 Stanton is a huge difference maker. He is a five tool player and would lead the team in RBI.
stanton a 5 tooler? i guess he has enough power to count it twice….
David O'Brien
January 2nd, 2013
4:19 pm
DOB, the recent additions/updates, would it be safe to say that, wherever they might rank in your top 50, they would just bump off the last 7, or would some higher rated ones be dropped out of the list? — TennPaul
No idea. Not going to go back and rework it, either. Sorry, just too time-consuming (it already was a way-too-lengthy task just putting together the 50). Wouldn’t just knock off the last seven; why would I do that? At least two or three of them would make the top 50, the others honorable mention. I’ll leave it at that.
Ken Stallings
January 2nd, 2013
4:19 pm
I don’t like the new hat for a number of reasons.
First, I am tired of marketing being the top criteria of uniform designs. The Yankees have the most recognized uniform in world sports (with the Dallas Cowboys close behind). Those two uniforms are classic becasue they aren’t continuously messed with.
The Braves had the best uniform in baseball but had to muck with it, going to the one tone hat on the road and those ugly as sin “softball” jersey tops that are blue with blue numbers hard to even read. A vote was conducted soon after the Braves changed their uniforms in the late 80’s. The all grey road uniform with the tomahawk and the two-tone caps were voted the best road uniform in baseball.
I also don’t like the “screaming indian” logo becasue I find it ugly looking. There is no immediate association with the Braves franchise. It looks stupid. It invites controversy where there is no overriding need for controversy. In fact, there is not one single viable reason it should even be worn.
Wes Jorga
January 2nd, 2013
4:20 pm
Juan, native american I believe, means the Americas including North and South America. Right on about the Mohawk identity, I know the Milwaukee Braves used the logo. While I don’t know if The Boston Braves used the logo, The Mohawk trail runs right through Massachusetts and continues to western New York.
Jake Mastroianni
January 2nd, 2013
4:25 pm
A New Year Brings New Challenges for Atlanta Braves
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/brings-challenges-atlanta-braves-194700800–mlb.html
kenhotlanta
January 2nd, 2013
4:26 pm
RIP: Patti Page, the top-selling female singer of the 1950’s with more than 100 million records sold; she was 85. “Tennessee Waltz” and “(How Much Is That) Doggie in the Window” were her biggest hits and she was also an actress.
Murph
January 2nd, 2013
4:27 pm
In fact, there is not one single viable reason it should even be worn.
If it increases batting practice hat sales then that’s money that the team can use to not spend on future free agents… so you’re only half right.
Steve
January 2nd, 2013
4:29 pm
One knows it is a slow baseball news week when the Braves batting practice cap has drawn so much attention. Yawn.
Steve
January 2nd, 2013
4:29 pm
Sorry for the multiple posts. Not intentional.
Craig
January 2nd, 2013
4:33 pm
Have to say I dislike the logo…looks pretty ametuerish really.
As for LF please play Gattis. Give the guy a go ….a real go like to the All Star game at least.
He will go through tough periods but every team needs to take a chance to see what they have. I think the guy will hit and lots and may surprise in the field.
For mine we do need one more experienced head in the locker room but have him off the bench in a role like Hinske …(year 1). Not sure who is left but I am sure Frank can find someone who is well regarded to be a leader.
That said it is time for Hudson, Uggla, McCann, Prado and Upton to lead. They all get paid enough and have plenty of games under their belts to step it up and fill the void
Craig
January 2nd, 2013
4:33 pm
Have to say I dislike the logo…looks pretty ametuerish really.
As for LF please play Gattis. Give the guy a go ….a real go like to the All Star game at least.
He will go through tough periods but every team needs to take a chance to see what they have. I think the guy will hit and lots and may surprise in the field.
For mine we do need one more experienced head in the locker room but have him off the bench in a role like Hinske …(year 1). Not sure who is left but I am sure Frank can find someone who is well regarded to be a leader.
That said it is time for Hudson, Uggla, McCann, Prado and Upton to lead. They all get paid enough and have plenty of games under their belts to step it up and fill the void
UKUGA
January 2nd, 2013
4:33 pm
I say we hire Ozzie Guillen as a “special” assistant and let him field questions about the Braves’ new hats during spring training.
We can fire him before the season opener.
DAP
January 2nd, 2013
4:33 pm
i like cuddyer. i actually think he is the type of hitter this lineup needs, in order to be very well balanced. good vs. lefties, solid RBI guy, doubles hitter.
Craig
January 2nd, 2013
4:34 pm
Have to say I dislike the logo…looks pretty ametuerish really.
As for LF please play Gattis. Give the guy a go ….a real go like to the All Star game at least.
He will go through tough periods but every team needs to take a chance to see what they have. I think the guy will hit and lots and may surprise in the field.
For mine we do need one more experienced head in the locker room but have him off the bench in a role like Hinske …(year 1). Not sure who is left but I am sure Frank can find someone who is well regarded to be a leader.
That said it is time for Hudson, Uggla, McCann, Prado and Upton to lead. They all get paid enough and have plenty of games under their belts to step it up and fill the void.
Lee in S GA
January 2nd, 2013
4:34 pm
From all blogs in 2012 which totals 355,471 comments, nolie led the way with 16486 posts. There were 5,989 different poster names. Here are the Top 100:
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expect that record to be broken by TOBF this year
I am more upset about Old Miss dropping “rebels” that the Indian logo on the Braves hat and I am not even a true fan of theirs…everything has to be politically correct these days….the 70’s.. now there was a generation for you
old man
January 2nd, 2013
4:35 pm
I’m negative on the logo. It’s the Native American version of the smiling Aunt Jemima. I agree that it is only a vocal minority that finds it offensive. I don’t find it offensive directly, because I’m not Native American.
I’m reminded of the Amherst College mascot, the “Lord Jeffs.” Named after the schools namesake, Lord Geoffrey Amherst. He’s famous for giving the Native Americans nice gifts of luxurious blankets, without telling them that he had first rubbed them all over the open sores of dying smallpox victims. Killed thousands. Opened up a lot of land. Sort of offensive to have a mascot honoring that.
We did pretty much bully the Native Americans out of the whole continent, didn’t we? So, I’m indirectly offended by it, or have guilt about it. I think the idea of naming a team the Braves, the Seminoles, the Warriors, etc., can be non-offensive. It seems to me you honor the Native Americans in this way. But Redskins? And the laughing Brave looks a little demeaning to me. So I can see it rubs a Native American the wrong way. And indirectly, it bothers me a bit. Reminds me of a not so wonderful part of the white man’s past.
Which brings me to part two.
We seem to have a very strong attitude in this country of holding our right to do something above everything else. “If I have a right to do, then screw everyone else, I’m gonna do what I wanna do. It’s my frikkin’ right, OK?”
I think it’s a a lot more noble to give latitude to people who make a plausible case that they are offended. You’re offended that our team is called the Braves? I don’t buy that. I smell a lawsuit for money. You’re offended by a ridiculous, borderline demeaning picture of a crazy Indian? Yep, I buy that. Maybe you are truly offended, maybe you aren’t. But it’s plausible. Do I have the right to buy a license plate with that image and put it on my front bumper? Yep. Or on my team’s BP caps? Yep, I got that right too. Do I need to? No, I don’t. My life, my team, my everything will be just fine without it. So why push it? Other than to say I can do whatever the heck I want, and to heck with anyone who does not like it?
So I’m perplexed why the team would even go this route.
And a Day of Rain
January 2nd, 2013
4:36 pm
El oso bailarín – the dancing bear. Francisco after his slimming down
Hope this doesn’t offend the weight-challenged among us.
Ken Stallings
January 2nd, 2013
4:36 pm
The Boston Braves used a sillouhette motiff, basically a black outline of a classic indian chief with ceremonial headress (at least as accurate as people in the New England area during that era would use).
I don’t believe the Boston Braves used that logo.
Murph
January 2nd, 2013
4:37 pm
I say we hire Ozzie Guillen as a “special” assistant and let him field questions about the Braves’ new hats during spring training.
We can fire him before the season opener.
LOL… best plan of the offseason so far!
Puma
January 2nd, 2013
4:37 pm
I like the logo, always have, but probably more because it just reminds me of the braves when I was a kid and nostalgia and all that stuff.
Bigger question for me is why bring it back? Kind of like poking a hornets nest with a stick, why??
DAP
January 2nd, 2013
4:38 pm
i might bge the only braves fan who feels this way, but i like all the uniforms. the whites, the creams, the navys, the greys, the reds. i like all of them.
raleighbravefan
January 2nd, 2013
4:38 pm
ken – Patti Page was my (93 year old) dad’s favorite female singer. Until a few years ago, she sang in the choir at the church in San Diego, that my brother and sister-in-law go to. I visited one Easter a few years ago, and she sang that day.
JoeFan
January 2nd, 2013
4:39 pm
Wren seems to be set on giving Gattis his shot and why not? The Braves have to find out if he is the real deal and certainly the options that might be available to fill LF are not going to knock his socks off. So, unless he gets approached with a trade to good to pass up, expect to see Gattis be given the chance to win the job in spring training.
ncscoots
January 2nd, 2013
4:41 pm
Hope this doesn’t offend the weight-challenged among us.
All this logo discussion now has me worried that I’ve offended Kris Medlen in the past with my posts about his, uh, vertical challenge.
He wouldn’t hold that against me, would you think?
Big Ed
January 2nd, 2013
4:45 pm
I agree with Joe Fan. That makes a lot of sense.
Mr Pitts
January 2nd, 2013
4:45 pm
“Agree 100% with DOB. Love the logo and will get the BP hat as soon as it comes out. I still don’t see how it is racist. In fact, I think it shows respect to the Native Americans by honoring them and their name along with the image.”
I love to watch the white guy response to these issues. I like it. Really? You look at that and conclude that you like it? Whether it’s offensive or not [leave that aside for a sec] ‘I like it ‘ is not the first thing I think when I saw the logo. As a 55 year old white guy I thought: ‘Weird’. Perhaps you guys should commision an artist to creat e a painting and put it above your fireplaces if you really like it. Anyway, the above response from somebody covers the white guy response in its entirety: I like it. It’s not offensive. I will buy it to show everybody. It shows respect. Huh?
Funny stuff.
Wes Jorga
January 2nd, 2013
4:45 pm
Old Man, agree with most of your post. My son goes to UCSC and their logo is the banana slug. while it may fit the character of some of the students, it is useless in rallying the crowd.
Puma
January 2nd, 2013
4:46 pm
I wonder how the players feel about wearing a potentially offensive logo?
cricket
January 2nd, 2013
4:46 pm
How come anytime someone has a disparity in home/road splits, it’s just assumed he can’t hit outside the park that is currently his home ballpark. Maybe the guy just likes being at home with his family and sleeping in his own bed.
doesn’t this just imply that this guy would s*ck for half the games no matter where he signs?
Astral
January 2nd, 2013
4:46 pm
That is why Twitter is becoming the preferred communication model for beat reporters and the press. Less stressful. Immediate. You can jump around topically avoiding topic burn out, etc….Ozzie
as ADD sweeps the country….
Matt
January 2nd, 2013
4:46 pm
I am not a Native American, so it really doesn’t matter if I’m offended by the logo.
Mr Pitts
January 2nd, 2013
4:46 pm
“Agree 100% with DOB. Love the logo and will get the BP hat as soon as it comes out. I still don’t see how it is racist. In fact, I think it shows respect to the Native Americans by honoring them and their name along with the image.”
I love to watch the white guy response to these issues. I like it. Really? You look at that and conclude that you like it? Whether it’s offensive or not [leave that aside for a sec] ‘I like it ‘ is not the first thing I think when I saw the logo. As a 55 year old white guy I thought: ‘Weird’. Perhaps you guys should commision an artist to create a painting and put it above your fireplaces if you really like it. Anyway, the above response from somebody covers the white guy response in its entirety: I like it. It’s not offensive. I will buy it to show everybody. It shows respect. Huh?
Funny stuff.
Ken Stallings
January 2nd, 2013
4:47 pm
old man,
I think you made good points. Florida State sought and obtained endorsement by the Seminole nation and therefore there is nothing wrong with their uses. FSU uses historically correct homages in their mascots, uniforms, and merchandise.
I don’t have a problem with the use of objective names and items like Braves, the tomahawk, or feathers. I think the Washington Redskins is perhaps the most hideous of names and they just added to it with their primary logo. But, that’s for them to decide.
At lot more Americans have native American ancestry than is thought. I was mildly surprised to learn that my great-great grandfather married a woman who was native Cherokee. For me, it’s more a nice pride factor than anything tangible, and I certainly would not petition the Cherokee Nation for inclusion. I just think it’s cool they got married.
The problem with that logo is that it tries to be something more than a cartoon. And in the process it distorts reality enough to slide into the offensive region. The Notre Dame logo is a pure cartoon. It’s also a case of Irish-American Catholics starting their own private university and deciding to pay homage to their own distant ancestors. So, that is a bit different.
DAP
January 2nd, 2013
4:47 pm
mr pitts, your 4:45 post is racist and i would like you to retract it before i report you to the blog police.
raleighbravefan
January 2nd, 2013
4:48 pm
old man @ 4:35 – Pretty much the way I feel about it. Why go there?
raleighbravefan
January 2nd, 2013
4:49 pm
But, of course, I’m a bleeding heart libral.
TennesseePaul
January 2nd, 2013
4:53 pm
covers the white guy response in its entirety
Entirely racist and insensitive. How does Mr. Pitts know the color of the poster’s skin? Why does he immediately jump to such a conclusion? And further more, should blog security be called into question with his statement?
Lew
January 2nd, 2013
4:53 pm
I’m about 1/128th Deleware, so only a very small part of me is offended.
But Lucky Number 7 in posts for 2012? Not bad for an old (basically) Caucasian American.
Bob the Blogger
January 2nd, 2013
4:55 pm
I just don’t see what is inherently offensive about the logo. I can even see the Chief Nokahoma character and dance being a mockery of the Native American lifestyle, but not a simple picture. Maybe it would help if he were more somber, like the Native American on the old TV commercials who was all choked up over people littering.
raleighbravefan
January 2nd, 2013
4:55 pm
Lew – You’re good with me, no matter your number or ethnicity, my friend.
cricket
January 2nd, 2013
4:55 pm
old man 4:35 pm
well said
TennesseePaul
January 2nd, 2013
4:55 pm
deciding to pay homage to their own distant ancestors
Without seeking the written consent of those descendants not affiliated with the school, yet sullied by the garish “cartoon”. A pox on them.
I can think of more recent cartoons which have incited outrage and violence. Apparently they didn’t know it was “just a cartoon.”
The insensitivity of some people. It is as if no one is thinking of the children.
Mixxo
January 2nd, 2013
4:56 pm
I think the cap AND the logo look cheap as heck, as do the rest of this year’s BP caps.
That contrasting bill thing is horrid.
RC
January 2nd, 2013
4:56 pm
old man @ 4:35,
I kind of feel similarly to you. While I don’t feel like I can say one way or another whether or not it’s racist, I can say that it’s not a very smart business decision, and it should have been obvious that it was going to be bring negative PR on the firm that it didn’t really need. Why push the issue, and even risk having the focus shift away from the team itself?
kenhotlanta
January 2nd, 2013
4:56 pm
raleighbravefan: Great story…my parents always liked her too and her hits were some of the first songs I remember hearing on the radio as a small kid. For some reason, I assumed she lived in Nashville or Tennessee, I guess because her last few albums were country.
raleighbravefan
January 2nd, 2013
4:59 pm
ken – Only us old guys give a darn. Glad to share.
Time for me to go.
Puma
January 2nd, 2013
5:00 pm
TennPaul – I assume you are referring to certain Danish cartoons depicting a certain prophet, maybe not an exact analogy, but interesting comparison.
DAP
January 2nd, 2013
5:01 pm
i am 1/16 cherokee and can prove it. so, i can speak with authority that my people and i are not offended whatsoever. carry on, braves.
TennesseePaul
January 2nd, 2013
5:01 pm
We did pretty much bully the Native Americans out of the whole continent, didn’t we?
Sheeesh, I didn’t realize you were that old, old man.
ncscoots
January 2nd, 2013
5:01 pm
And indirectly, it bothers me a bit. Reminds me of a not so wonderful part of the white man’s past.
Wait. Stop right there. Do you feel guilt because your ancestors committed atrocities or because you’re supposed to feel it? How much guilt is required? How much penance must be done to assuage that guilt, to balance the scales, to get to a point where one can look a man in the eye and take him on his own damn terms, not on the basis of what my ancestors or his ancestors did 300 years ago?
Because I don’t judge a man on his ancestry, or his color, or his creed, or any other bleeping thing, except for the man he is. And every man gets to be the man of his choice, regardless of where he came from or who he came from. It’s his choice that counts, not those made by people long dead.
Dan Uggla's Swing
January 2nd, 2013
5:01 pm
If you really want to be politically correct (or un-poltically?) about it, then stop calling them “Native Americans”. Really, because this wasn’t called America at the time. They came here from somewhere else, fought and killed each others tribes, although you wont hear about this anywhere. I dont know what they should be called, maybe Cherokee, Seminole, etc.
DS1
January 2nd, 2013
5:02 pm
I am 1/32nd Cherokee and I am offended to the 1/32nd core.
Can I sue somebody?
And a Day of Rain
January 2nd, 2013
5:04 pm
Hear that the University of Delaware is considering changing their team’s name, the Blue Hens. Seems that some unhappy women are irate.
chipl1960
January 2nd, 2013
5:05 pm
Lew that was me on FB. Thanks for recognizing.
Lew
January 2nd, 2013
5:08 pm
chip – Yep, recognized your name from sending the artwork. I’ll get you on the DOB FB page
nolie
January 2nd, 2013
5:08 pm
I am not native American, but I have several friends and some relatives who are, at least in part, mostly Cherokee.. . Most are more than happy to see references to their ancestry on sporting team logos. I know none who think they are being insulted
Ralph
January 2nd, 2013
5:09 pm
DOB, I am not a fan of Justin Upton or Fowler, bring on Gattis, if he doesn’t work out it doesn’t cost anything.
Murph
January 2nd, 2013
5:10 pm
Whether it’s offensive or not [leave that aside for a sec] ‘I like it ‘ is not the first thing I think when I saw the logo. As a 55 year old white guy I thought: ‘Weird’.
So the concept of the image doesn’t offend you, but rather the execution?
I don’t know what about the execution you find so repulsive. The line work is clean, the proportions and perspective seem pretty accurate… sure, maybe some more time could have been spent on certain areas, but overall I don’t have a problem with some of the choices the artist made.
It’s better than a Jackson Pollock painting. I can at least look at this and tell what it’s supposed to be.
Mr Pitts
January 2nd, 2013
5:11 pm
“Entirely racist and insensitive. How does Mr. Pitts know the color of the poster’s skin? Why does he immediately jump to such a conclusion? And further more, should blog security be called into question with his statement?”
Oh, the irony. Funny, white guys offended. I’m an above-middle-age white guy and know very well how they think and why they think the way they do. These responses scream—white guy. Other than the 1/16 American Indian in some of you, as self-reported, am I wrong?
kenhotlanta
January 2nd, 2013
5:11 pm
This research surprised me: I knew most actors playing Native Americans in the movies and TV up until the 70’s were 99% white, Italian, Jewish, etc., but I didn’t know Jay Silverheels (the original Tonto) was the first Native American actor…I always thought Iron Eyes Cody was an Indian, but he was Italian and pretended to be a real Indian for years.
That means almost 70 years worth of movies and TV were politically incorrect and I think that is much worse than this hoopla over the Braves cap.
phil
January 2nd, 2013
5:14 pm
I don’t care what the logo is if we manage to win another world series in our collective lifetimes….
And my apologies for finishing 6th in the rankings for 2012. With as little as I have to say, that’s pathetic on my part. And that said, maybe I’ll finish 5th this year. You guys can only hope….
Happy New Year to all…
Train Wreck Bystander
January 2nd, 2013
5:14 pm
Not only do I approve of the Screaming Savage; I also think the Braves should bring back Noc-a-Homa.
Lew
January 2nd, 2013
5:14 pm
Murph -Almost any artwork – Blue Dogs, Children with Huge Eyes, or even Elvis representations on Black Velvet are better than a Jackson POllock painting. In fact, I’d be willing to bet your four year old is a prodigy in comparison.
The A Bomb
January 2nd, 2013
5:15 pm
Face it Klingons, there are Braves fans who go back to the sixties. The team was not founded by Ted Turner.
I’m all for NOT offending people, but the past 2-3 decades, segments of society have developed wild hairs in unreachable places regarding political correctness.
I’ll be getting the hat to match the logo which has been on my iPhone since I got it. And no, my 1966 Braves yearbook with the logo is NOT for sale.
Now back to hibernation.
Lew
January 2nd, 2013
5:15 pm
Not to forget the infamous Card Playing Dogs.
nolie
January 2nd, 2013
5:16 pm
How come anytime someone has a disparity in home/road splits, it’s just assumed he can’t hit outside the park that is currently his home ballpark
I don’t know who posted that, but it is off the mark. Those splits are only a reference and mostly apply to players who are in either hitter or pitcher friendly parks. in about ⅔ of the parks they hardly apply at all.
Ken Stallings
January 2nd, 2013
5:17 pm
DOB,
Am I right to conclude that you think vinyl LP’s are superior in music quality to CD’s and other digital forms?
I have never seen that to be honest. Perhaps a lot has to do with the quality of your turntable, but for me the CD’s were vastly better in quality and I’ve not understood why many audiophiles consider the LP a superior format.
Murph
January 2nd, 2013
5:18 pm
Every year in school we used to go on field trips to the local Navajo indian reservation. It was supposed to be a chance for us to learn about their culture and heritage.
Instead it was a bunch of old women trying to sell us those little capsules that you put in water and, when the capsule dissolves, you’re left with a little foam animal.
So, based on my visits, I concluded that the Navajo were likely the foam animal pioneers of North America and that reliance on the little foam donkeys and horses was probably the tribes’ undoing.
phil
January 2nd, 2013
5:19 pm
Why not the Atlanta Whiteskins?
I CAN see the point where this stuff is concerned, but we have been down this road many times now.
phil
January 2nd, 2013
5:19 pm
Why not the Atlanta Whiteskins?
I CAN see the point where this stuff is concerned, but we have been down this road many times now.
rms
January 2nd, 2013
5:20 pm
A screaming Braves Indian logo…..I always thought that Indian mascot was laughing!
StingerSplash
January 2nd, 2013
5:20 pm
DOB, the first two songs to pop up on my iPod while driving to work today were Neil Young’s “Welfare Mothers” and “Under the Milky Way” by The Church. I will now resume listening to My Morning Jacket on YouTube while I put off doing more work.
Lew
January 2nd, 2013
5:21 pm
Ken – Yeah, I’ll take a CD over vinyl any day. I always had good turntables, used anti static guns and fluid with a disc preener and still liked the clarity of a CD much more.
Honestly, to me, vinyl was more trouble than the difference (IF I could have even heard the difference) was worth.
extremus
January 2nd, 2013
5:24 pm
I find political correctness to be perhaps the most offensive thing in our society today. I personally feel that it was one of the initial footholds that paved the way for a lot of very important personal freedoms and rights to independent thought and conviction to be taken away. But that’s just me (and millions of other American citizens).
Teams of any sport don’t adopt a name to lampoon a race or culture; to do so they’d be lampooning themselves. Whether you’re talking about Braves, Indians, Vikings, Fighting Irish, Spartans, Trojans, Cowboys, or Falcons (or any other animal species), if anything is implied by the names or the logos it’s a sense of pride and honor to be associated with that group, be it a band of fierce warriors or a predatory animal.
A lot of people take the Redskins name to task, and while I admit that it does tread closer to a racial terminology that might be considered offensive than most, I remember an episode of the old 90s TV show Quantum Leap where Sam was helping an elderly Indian who was running from authorities. All through the episode the old man rooted for the Redskins to “beat those Cowboys” and called the Redskins “the best d— team in America”. I’m sure that a fictional TV character doesn’t speak for everyone (or at least certainly for all Native Americans in this case), but the point that I took from it was that most folks just enjoy the game and root for a team regardless of their heritage. The “squeaky wheels” that crawl out of the woodwork at every opportunity aren’t doing so nearly as much out of outrage over a perceived slight as they are for facetime and attention. There are much more pressing issues facing our society right now to be paying these clowns any attention.
Sorry if I offended any clowns with this post, by the way.
Lew
January 2nd, 2013
5:24 pm
But – that being said – many audiophiles prefer vinyl, so more power to em. Choice is always a good thing.
phil
January 2nd, 2013
5:26 pm
extremus – you put that pretty darn well…
kenhotlanta
January 2nd, 2013
5:29 pm
As I have related on here many times, I was a huge fan of the Atlanta Crackers growing up, and their players were my heroes. I listened to all the games, collected photos (there were hardly any minor league baseball cards back then), autographs, jerseys, programs, etc. and I still have all that stuff and I don’t ever want to sell it.
The name “Crackers” was never a thought or problem as to what it really meant until a few years ago when (usually) young kids would kid me if they heard me mention the name. And I still don’t know how to answer or react if someone kids me or makes fun of the name Crackers, so I usually never mention it except on here where it might relate to the discussion and I find that rather sad. And I certainly will never wear in public any of the jerseys or the 2 very nice jackets I own, and that sucks IMHO.
scoots, your 5:01 comment was right on point, thanks.
nolie
January 2nd, 2013
5:29 pm
CD any day of the week. most of that vinyl snobbishness about sound has been disproved in hundreds perhaps thousands of double blind listening tests over the decades.
some of the original CDs were indeed harsh, but soon most folks could not tell the difference in tests.
prolly politically incorrect to say that though, all in the mind…..