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chipontheroad
January 4th, 2013
2:03 am
Cherokee means the bean-eaters ironic yes
nolie
January 4th, 2013
2:33 am
what is ironic about it?
Netherlands Brave
January 4th, 2013
4:08 am
At age seven I became a Braves fan when I opened my first pack of baseball cards, that was in the spring of 1957. Because of my age and where I came from I didn’t understand race differences, I just remember how much I liked Hank Aaron in that Milwaukee Brave uniform. The Braves went on to win the World Series that year beating the Yankees in seven games and that solidified me as a Braves fan forever. Anyone who knows me knows that the Braves are an important part of my life, I often joke that If I didn’t do anything else right, I did raise all my children up to be Braves fans. The first time I was ever at a Braves game was in San Diego in 1968 just before I went to Vietnam, however when I retired in 2002 we bought a house in Marietta to so that I could buy season tickets, I’ve since taken a job here in Europe going to bed early every evening so that I can get up at one or two in the morning to watch my Braves on MLB.Com. When I finally do retire again in a couple of years, I’ll be back at Turner Field. Lets just hope that the Braves will always be the Braves.
@jlock17
January 4th, 2013
8:42 am
In the South, everyone claims to have a grandmother who is half Cherokee (it’s almost like The Trail of Tears didn’t happen) and a great-grandfather who was a Confederate general. In Chattanooga, whenever one these Native American controversies come up, it’s always the same handful of pseudo-Indians who run to the media attention.
74bravesjersey
January 4th, 2013
8:45 am
@Netherlands Brave; I commend you sir, & no better said, I hope things continue well for you NB, I’m excited about this season, & hope you can make it back asap when you’re time allows. alots to be expected of as is before every season. I enjoy these blogs when time allows me, even the opportunity to interact w/ other fans.
Lew
January 4th, 2013
8:53 am
I don’t want a hat with the new Braves’ logo – I want some of those Foxworthy’s Grit Chips. Pretty sure I can’t get them up here.
chipl1960
January 4th, 2013
9:14 am
Hey Lew I have an idea. I’m sure I can get those grits somewhere here in N.C. and we can work out a trade for some artwork. On second thought, it would take a tractor trailer full of grits to equal one drawing. Back to the coffee and these ridiculous trade proposals.
Lew
January 4th, 2013
9:23 am
chip – Well I HAVE done artwork for food before, but……….
TheOnlyBravesFan
January 4th, 2013
9:24 am
will draw for food
chipl1960
January 4th, 2013
9:27 am
With our medical stuff going on these days, the food would be something like tofu or alfalfa sprouts. Hardly worth doing any drawing. My doc told me the other day if it tastes good spit it out.
chipl1960
January 4th, 2013
9:28 am
As I sit here eating a sausage, egg, and cheese croissant and blueberry muffin from DD.
Lew
January 4th, 2013
9:30 am
Back when I was in grad school at UGA, I was married with a two year old having seizures of unknown origin and could not find a job. I painted all the SEC mascots on the outside wall of a sub shop and he paid with free subs for a month. Helped out the budget (if not the waistline) a good bit.
Lew
January 4th, 2013
9:33 am
The Tennessee Volunteer was eating a hot dog, the Vanderbilt Commodore drinking a long neck BUD – the owner actually got advertising bucks from Tom’s Chips, Bud and an old Athen’s favorite – POss’s Chili.
TennesseePaul
January 4th, 2013
9:37 am
“The Cherokee refer to themselves as Tsalagi (ᏣᎳᎩ) or Aniyvwiyaʔi (ᎠᏂᏴᏫᏯᎢ), which means “Principal People.” The Iroquois, who were based in New York, called the Cherokee Oyata’ge’ronoñ (inhabitants of the cave country).
Many theories – though none proven – abound about the origin of the word Cherokee. It may have originally been derived from the Choctaw word Cha-la-kee, which means “those who live in the mountains”, or Choctaw Chi-luk-ik-bi, meaning “those who live in the cave country”. The earliest Spanish rendering of Cherokee, from 1755, is Tchalaquei. Another theory is that “Cherokee” derives from a Lower Creek word, Ciló-kki, meaning someone who speaks another language. The most likely derivation, however, is an Anglicisation of their autonym, or name for themselves: Tsalagi in their language. This too is unclear. The Cherokee call themselves “The Principal People”. The word Tsalagi is derived from their interpretation of the Anglicised word used by other previously noted Tribes.”
Efrim
January 4th, 2013
9:40 am
Interesting article, DOB. Good read overall and a tough topic.
I’ve long thought the Washington Redskins needed to change their name. Never thought Braves fell into the same category, but that could just be me being ignorant.
Efrim
January 4th, 2013
9:43 am
It never made any sense for the D-Backs to keep Upton over Kubel. They would seriously lack LH power if they traded Kubel. Montero and Chavez would be their only LH bats in the mid-low order and Montero doesn’t play ALL the time and Chavez is a platoon player and not a huge threat at this point in his career. I think Justin Upton is getting traded within the next few weeks.
chipl1960
January 4th, 2013
9:44 am
Well, from my experience in ATL, if you got commissioned to do artwork at The Varsity for food, you might not live to see the work finished. Great stuff, love that piemento cheese grilled and smashed flat. Not good for the waistline or the arteries however.
TheOnlyBravesFan
January 4th, 2013
9:48 am
Teheran, Juan, and a LHRP, + some minor pieces to fill it out
chipl1960
January 4th, 2013
9:49 am
How much influence does Justin Upton have over where he accepts a trade to? It is common knowledge both the Upton brothers want to play together. Maybe Kevin Towers would pull the trigger with the Braves if the offers were close.
keyLargo.
January 4th, 2013
9:50 am
I ate lots of Poss’s BBQ but never heard of them making Chili. There was a very delicious BBQ Hash. They even provided the BBQ Pork sanwiches for the UGA home game for years. Bob Poss Sr, and his family lived down the street from where I grew up in Athens.
Lew
January 4th, 2013
9:51 am
It’s been a long, long time since I’ve eaten at The Varsity – used to be one right across from the Arches in Athens. Dangerous stuff – way too good.
RC
January 4th, 2013
9:52 am
So with the Upton rumors popping up (again), anyone have some suggested trade scenarios? What would you be willing to offer if you were in Wren’s role? And what do you think it would actually take from Arizona’s POV?
chipl1960
January 4th, 2013
9:54 am
That would be an outfield which could produce 90/270 for several years and cover the outfield quite well. 3 good to great arms with speed and range.
Lew
January 4th, 2013
9:56 am
They sold the canned chili at the grocery stores – don’t remember an actual restaurant (but it WAS a broke time). I was there from 77-85 while we were both in grad school.
TheOnlyBravesFan
January 4th, 2013
9:59 am
And what do you think it would actually take from Arizona’s POV?
Thats the hard part for me to pin down… they needed a SP, SS, and a LHRP coming in to the offseason. They moved an OF because they had a surplus, then go and sign another one… They have their infield set, already have a C, surplus in the OF, rotation is fine; all they really need is a LHRP, but that won’t be a fair trade for Upton. Already got pitching prospects, so….
But given that they’ve been trying to trade him so long, and they basically have to move him now, makes no sense to move Kubel, and moving Parra won’t give them a good return, I could see other teams not paying market price for him… KT wants him gone.
Lew
January 4th, 2013
9:59 am
No idea for trade scenarios, but another thing they said about it on XM last night was that Upton and his agent were pushing the DBacks to trade him – they’re just tired of all the rumors and Towers turning around every five minutes and changing his mind.
CB
January 4th, 2013
9:59 am
It is hard to believe that after all the complaining all of us have done about all the problems that this blog is having that nothing has been done. Amazing the incompetency, I’m sure I am not alone in spending less and less time on here. Truly a shame because I enjoy coming here when it is working.
Lew
January 4th, 2013
10:02 am
Actually, the XM people thought it was more likely Kubel would go than Upton.
chipl1960
January 4th, 2013
10:03 am
What kind of problems are you having? I have no issues either at home or the office. Maybe its your device. Is it slow or posts don’t go through?
DAP
January 4th, 2013
10:03 am
efrim It never made any sense for the D-Backs to keep Upton over Kubel.
except that upton is the better player. if they want to win, wouldnt they keep the better player?
besides, i dont think they should trade either one of them, if they plan on contending. they need to trade geraldo parra if they want to make room on the roster.
keyLargo.
January 4th, 2013
10:03 am
The restaurant was was west of Athens on the Atlanta Hwy. They sold the property about 30 years ago and there is a Walmart there now. I think it was the Timothy Rd that intersected the Atlanta Hwy where it was.
The downtown Varsity across from the Arches is also long gone. There is another one at the intersection of Broad St and Milledge Ave. that is much larger than the old one downtown.
BravesFanForever
January 4th, 2013
10:07 am
It’s an HONOR to have your name, your face, your culture, your religion, or your country put on a pedestal. For some reason, some people just don’t get it. I would love to have my name put on the Braves logo!
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
January 4th, 2013
10:12 am
D.O.B.
Any Word On The Bourn Ultimadum???
It would Rule if the Braves Cheap #### Ass F.O. Would Invest some money and Bring him Back for 1 year since I dont think he will get his Hustle Deal that Bor@as-shole demands. BEEEEEJ (B.J. Upton) Alone will not put Cheeks in the Seats nor get us past the 1st round….
Lew
January 4th, 2013
10:12 am
About thrity years ago? Sounds about right. The Varisty downtown moved when I was there – they put in a Schlotsky’s where the Varisty and Wuxtry (back when Pete Buck still worked there) used to be. There was a Yudi’s sandwhich shop across from the Old Varsity, owned by the brother of the Guy who owned the Sub and Steak where I painted the mural.
That was quite some time ago.
Murph
January 4th, 2013
10:14 am
It’s cold in Austin… even saw a few snow flakes this morning. Of course it’ll be back up to 70 in a few days, but still… I actually had to wear socks today! Brrrrrrrrr.
JiminGA
January 4th, 2013
10:14 am
If the Braves hat said “I hate Indians”, that would be racist and offensive. How anyone can consider a picture of an Indian racist is just plain dumb.
RC
January 4th, 2013
10:15 am
TheOnlyBravesFan,
I hear what you are saying about Arizona’s “needs”, but in my opinion that can still stand to make some upgrades in their infield (or at least add depth), and while they have pitching prospects, the acronym TNSTAAPP came about for a reason (There’s No Such Thing As A Pitching Prospect).
I’m not sure exactly what Arizona would be seeking, but I’d think that two of Atlanta’s top 3 pitching prospects (Teheran, Graham, Delgado) and Pastornicky (as depth) might be a good place to start the conversation. It would certainly take more than that, but I am not sure exactly what other pieces would be targeted. Possibly O’Flaherty or Venters?
Another thing that hasn’t been mentioned is that once Bourn finally signs with a team and the Braves are awarded a draft pick, that pick is actually tradable. While most draft picks are not tradable, the new CBA allows teams to trade compensatory draft picks.
Murph
January 4th, 2013
10:15 am
Any Word On The Bourn Ultimadum???
My 6 year old spells phonetically too… it’s cute.
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
January 4th, 2013
10:19 am
As Much As I wanna Taste Justin Upton Coming Here, Its Not Gonna Happen People. I’m still Lusting for Nellie (Nelson) Cruz…I’m kinda Suprised the Braves haven’t gone after him even though I have been Lusting for him in a Braves Uni for Years!
I can Feel the “CRUUUUZZZZZZ” Chants on here!
And On the Real Tip, I dont think the Braves F.O. will do anything til S. Training, because Braves Fans are gonna Barf if Schafer is in Left Field on Opening day. Injuries can happen in S. Training Ya Know???
RC
January 4th, 2013
10:19 am
Delgado, Graham, Pastornicky, O’Flaherty, and the money to cover O’Flaherty’s contract for Upton. Wonder who would say no to that?
Or instead of O’Flaherty, Venters, but no money (since Venters has an additional 2-years of team control)?
Murph
January 4th, 2013
10:19 am
While most draft picks are not tradable, the new CBA allows teams to trade compensatory draft picks.
I’d rather see them trade the pick than draft Gilmartin 2.0.
I think any trade for Upton starts with Teheran, Ahmed, and either EOF or Venters… but I don’t see that being close to getting it done. As much as I’d like to get Upton, I don’t think the Braves have the chips to make a deal happen.
TennesseePaul
January 4th, 2013
10:20 am
Well, sh!t. I was hoping, against all odds I suppose, that the new year would mean TOBF would stop trying to trade Teheran at the drop of a hat. At 9:48 this morning he filled out his Varsity order with Teheran. Seriously man, you need to move past it.
TheOnlyBravesFan
January 4th, 2013
10:22 am
Sean Gilmartin or Ezekiel Spruill then as the centerpiece for an Upton deal…. please
TennesseePaul
January 4th, 2013
10:23 am
the Braves are awarded a draft pick, that pick is actually tradable
I think there is something missing here. I’m not sure that is exactly right. There are the lottery picks, and I think those are traceable… not sure about the others.
RC
January 4th, 2013
10:24 am
As Much As I wanna Taste Justin Upton Coming Here, Its Not Gonna Happen People. I’m still Lusting for Nellie (Nelson) Cruz…I’m kinda Suprised the Braves haven’t gone after him even though I have been Lusting for him in a Braves Uni for Years!
He would be a nice righty power bat, but I don’t think the Braves are willing to give up the prospects or the $10.5 M salary for a guy who will be turning 33 during the season and will be a free agent after the season. If Texas was shopping him it’d be one thing, but considering that they just lose Hamilton I have a feeling they’d like to keep Cruz for this year, unless they were blown away by an offer (which the Braves wouldn’t/shouldn’t do, based on the age and pending free agency).
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
January 4th, 2013
10:25 am
I’m ready for S. Training
I’m curious to see if Sean Gilmartin will compete for the 5th starter slot….? Thats Gonna be a reality show competition
And Whats the word on Matt Lipka? wasnt he a top draft pick a few years ago?
RC
January 4th, 2013
10:26 am
the Braves are awarded a draft pick, that pick is actually tradable
I think there is something missing here. I’m not sure that is exactly right. There are the lottery picks, and I think those are traceable… not sure about the others. – TennesseePaul
Dang it, I think you are right. Forgot all about the new lottery system….my bad.
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
January 4th, 2013
10:28 am
@RC
Good points, I forgot that Ol Nellie Cruz is Indeed old, He was in the Rangers Farm for years but I got to see him A lot watching the Rangers Games, Dude can Flat out rake
And you do make a strong case for him and Beltre being their “Hit Sticks!” since Hamiliton Sold out…
RC
January 4th, 2013
10:29 am
I’m curious to see if Sean Gilmartin will compete for the 5th starter slot….? Thats Gonna be a reality show competition
Gilmartin has only pitched 37 2/3 innings at AAA, and had a 4.78 ERA in that time. Added to the logjam of pitchers that are ahead of him, I think that for Gilmartin to have a shot at the MLB rotation to start the year a LOT of things would have to go very wrong.
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
January 4th, 2013
10:30 am
Oh well, Time for some Waffle House! Their Has Browns Rule! Triple Order of Scatter and Smothered with Onions….
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
January 4th, 2013
10:30 am
Hash Browns! Ugghhh
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
January 4th, 2013
10:31 am
@RC
Word on The Streets is that Gilmartin has a lot of poise for being so young, and he cant do no worse than Jo-Jo Reyes….
74bravesjersey
January 4th, 2013
10:32 am
Braves outfield will furnish a heyward degree from upton University. lol, But that wind of wooah Nellie Cruuuuuuuuz sounds mighty inviting as well
TennesseePaul
January 4th, 2013
10:34 am
“the picks that come out of [the competitive balance lottery] are commodities. For the first time in Major League history, Draft picks can be dealt. But there are a series of conditions and limitations regarding such transactions.
Only a team that wins a pick in the lottery can trade it, meaning that selection can be traded just once.”
– http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120716&content_id=35035642
“These lottery picks can be traded. That’s right, for the first time in Major League history, Draft picks can be dealt. But there are a series of conditions and limitations regarding such transactions.”
– http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111130&content_id=26059392
Murph
January 4th, 2013
10:34 am
Word on The Streets is that Gilmartin has a lot of poise for being so young, and he cant do no worse than Jo-Jo Reyes….
Sure he could… there’s no way to know until he actually makes it to the bigs, but he certainly could do worse that Jo Jo.
TennesseePaul
January 4th, 2013
10:37 am
Interesting about those links, Jonathan Mayo did a lot of copy/paste in his two articles, several months apart… and no reference to his previous article. He was ripping himself off. Plagiarizing his own work.
David O'Brien
January 4th, 2013
10:37 am
DOB, do you have any insight on the status of Bourn and if he might still be considered for a 1-2 year contract? If he could be signed at the right price, an outfield of Bourn, Upton and Heyward would be a base-runner’s nightmare and a pitchers dream. — Ernest
I learned long ago not to count our Boras getting a huge contract for his client, regardless of what the market looks like or the timing (late in the free-agent process).
Can’t see him taking a one-year deal to go anywhere, but particularly not to go back to Atlanta, where they turned down a $13.3M offer that won’t be there now, and especially not to play left field (that’s not the way to re-establish free-agent value, which would be a primary reason to take a one-year deal if he did take one, which I don’t think he will).
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TennesseePaul
January 4th, 2013
10:40 am
but he certainly could do worse that Jo Jo.
Murph, Jo Jo is the absolute rock bottom. He is NULL. It is physically and mathematically impossible to do worse.
Murph
January 4th, 2013
10:42 am
Murph, Jo Jo is the absolute rock bottom. He is NULL. It is physically and mathematically impossible to do worse.
Reyes won 12 games in the majors… it is definitely possible to do worse.
TheOnlyBravesFan
January 4th, 2013
10:44 am
Tyler Kepner @TylerKepner
I’m getting a very strong feeling that no candidate will be elected to the HoF this year. Even though I’d vote for about 13 if I could
Olney concurs…
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
January 4th, 2013
10:45 am
74bravesjersey
“Braves outfield will furnish a heyward degree from upton University. lol, But that wind of wooah Nellie Cruuuuuuuuz sounds mighty inviting as well”
Word! I wanna Do my
CRUZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“BOOM SHOT-LOCK BOOM!” Posts
No team in the NL would be able to F with our offense if we had Cruz in LF or Upton for that Matter
RC
January 4th, 2013
10:45 am
@RC
Word on The Streets is that Gilmartin has a lot of poise for being so young, and he cant do no worse than Jo-Jo Reyes….
I don’t disagree with that. However, Jo-Jo Reyes joined the rotation at a time that injuries (and lack of talent) made him the best available option. Even if Gilmartin today is better than Reyes was then (too close to call based on stats), he’s still the 7th option at best, and that’s not including Beachy, who should return around midseason. Teheran and Delgado are both at the point that they really have nothing left to prove at AAA, and I think the team realizes that they are in a “sink or swim” situation with each of them. Gilmartin has little enough experience at AAA (and poor enough results) that he can likely continue to learn and grow as a pitcher in that environment, at least for another year.
For the record, if the Jo-Jo Reyes of 2007 were magically transported to the 2013 Braves spring training, I think his lack of experience would also place him no higher than the 7th best option (although he had performed better than Gilmartin in AAA at the time of his callup).
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
January 4th, 2013
10:47 am
Gawd. Im ready for the Games, and the In-game Blogging, Sometimes its like being at a Bar???
Cliff Fiscal
January 4th, 2013
10:48 am
So, what is the mathematical rock bottom from a pitching stand point: (1) you walk everybody you pitch to without throwing even one strike; or (2) you give up a solo homerun on every pitch you offer in the major leagues?
In either scenario, said pitcher would do quite worse than Reyes.
Coach (2013, Is the future now?)
January 4th, 2013
10:49 am
I’ll go out on a short limb and predict that Sean Gilmartin will pitch for our Braves this season. In fact, I’ll guarantee it
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
January 4th, 2013
10:52 am
S/O To Coach
Whats Happening Chief!
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
January 4th, 2013
10:53 am
Coach (2013, Is the future now?)
“I’ll go out on a short limb and predict that Sean Gilmartin will pitch for our Braves this season. In fact, I’ll guarantee it’
Bank on It!
Derek
January 4th, 2013
10:54 am
Nothing offensive about the logo, even if I were Native American. If that Braves logo is offensive, then the redskin, cartoon logo used all over the place for the Cleveland Indians is downright illegal. No one is kicking up a fuss over that either nor the Washington Redskins logo – which the name alone is offensive.
RC
January 4th, 2013
10:55 am
“I’ll go out on a short limb and predict that Sean Gilmartin will pitch for our Braves this season. In fact, I’ll guarantee it’
Bank on It!
That seems to be a pretty likely situation at some point during the season. I think I will go out on a much shorter limb and say that he will not be a part of the major league starting rotation on Opening Day.
Coach (2013, Is the future now?)
January 4th, 2013
10:55 am
Not much Tomahawkin, just waiting and watching like the rest of Braves nation. Good to hear from you though!
Lew
January 4th, 2013
10:55 am
Well, if TOBF gets his way and Teheran, Delgado, Maholm, O’Flaherty and Venters are all traded, we can pretty well assume Gilmartin gets his shot this year. Of course, if only we had Grienke, we could trade Hudson, Medlen and Minor, too.
keyLargo.
January 4th, 2013
10:56 am
but he certainly could do worse that Jo Jo.
I don’t know about that. I knew Jo Jo was missing a chromosome or two when he rejected Tom Glavine and John Smoltz’s offers to help him become a MLB caliber pitcher. Prime example of a million dollar arm and a ten cent head.
RC
January 4th, 2013
10:57 am
No one is kicking up a fuss over that either nor the Washington Redskins logo – which the name alone is offensive.
I don’t think this is true at all. There are plenty of people who have made plenty of fuss over the Washington Redskins name….they simply haven’t come onto an Atlanta Braves blog to do it.
TheOnlyBravesFan
January 4th, 2013
10:57 am
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN
Texas a good fit for Upton — but not perfect, because the lineup is so RHed. Atlanta could be a better fit, from the team’s perspective.
Yea
Mr Pitts
January 4th, 2013
10:59 am
JiminGA: “If the Braves hat said “I hate Indians”, that would be racist and offensive. How anyone can consider a picture of an Indian racist is just plain dumb.”
OK, now get out to that driveway and clean up that pickup truck.
Mr Pitts
January 4th, 2013
10:59 am
JiminGA: “If the Braves hat said “I hate Indians”, that would be racist and offensive. How anyone can consider a picture of an Indian racist is just plain dumb.”
OK, now get out to that driveway and clean up that pickup truck.
Mr Pitts
January 4th, 2013
10:59 am
JiminGA: “If the Braves hat said “I hate Indians”, that would be racist and offensive. How anyone can consider a picture of an Indian racist is just plain dumb.”
OK, now get out to that driveway and clean up that pickup truck.
Coach (2013, Is the future now?)
January 4th, 2013
10:59 am
RC, agreed.
All one need do is too look at our rotational depth, do the math with the realization that our Bravos used ten starters last season, along with the reality that most ML teams use 8-9 starters every year.
Mr Pitts
January 4th, 2013
10:59 am
JiminGA: “If the Braves hat said “I hate Indians”, that would be racist and offensive. How anyone can consider a picture of an Indian racist is just plain dumb.”
OK, now get out to that driveway and clean up that pickup truck.
Murph
January 4th, 2013
11:00 am
Speaking of the Washington Redskins…
Last night I was watching Karate Kid with Mrs Murph and we got to talking about my theory that the protagonist of the movie is actually Johnny and not Daniel Larusso. On a whim I googled it and found the funniest argument in favor of my hypothesis that I’ve ever read. Just so happened to be on a Washington Redskins fan forum.
If you’re a Karate Kid fan, give it a read. Pretty funny stuff: http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?345154-The-Karate-Kid-A-defense-of-Johnny-Lawrence-and-why-Daniel-LaRusso-was-a-jerk-and-the-real-antagonist-of-the-film
TheOnlyBravesFan
January 4th, 2013
11:01 am
I never ever said to trade all those players… even in my Greinke “tirades”, I only advocated moving Maholm, the most expensive and expendable pitcher… an older Minor. Shows the trust I have in Mike to be consistent this year. And the only LHRP I ever said that the team should look into trading was EOF, but that they didnt have to do it.
Stop misrepresenting.
abeeeewright
January 4th, 2013
11:02 am
10Paul … “Jo Jo is the absolute rock bottom. He is NULL. It is physically and mathematically impossible to do worse.”
Mark Redman
abeeeewright
January 4th, 2013
11:02 am
QED
Jeff R
January 4th, 2013
11:02 am
Is it racist? Really? That just feels a bit over-the-top reactionary to me, and usually it seems that charge is coming from people who are on the outside of this looking in, like me and most of you. Rather than from actual Native Americans.
– DOB
I’m a little late to the dance on this topic, but I heartily agree. The “Screaming Brave” is really iconic and a great retro look. I hope the Braves don’t go wobbly and ax the Indian!
keyLargo.
January 4th, 2013
11:04 am
Lew – The best thing that ever happened in downtown Athens for me was the Downtown Twilight Criterium. They closed off the entire down town and about 50,000 people would show up to watch the bike races. I can remember the first year, standing in front of the Georgian Theatre watching the professional racers come by. Several of the bikers made the USA Olympic team that went to Los Angeles in 1984.
I was already doing triathlons and those races lit a fire in me for biking that is still going.
Coach (2013, Is the future now?)
January 4th, 2013
11:05 am
keyLargo.
January 4th, 2013
10:56 am
but he certainly could do worse that Jo Jo.
I don’t know about that. I knew Jo Jo was missing a chromosome or two when he rejected Tom Glavine and John Smoltz’s offers to help him become a MLB caliber pitcher. Prime example of a million dollar arm and a ten cent head.
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Yep. Million dollar talent, ten cent heads:
JoJo Reyes, Jeff Francoeur, Yunel Escobar, Tommy Hanson, etc.
Lew
January 4th, 2013
11:05 am
YOBF – You’ve argued for a trade involving every one of them at one time or another this winter. You post so much you can’t keep straight what you do say – which is surprising, because most of them are either to acquire Bourjos, Choo, Greinke, or someone else that has already been picked up by someone else and likely were never seriously considered by the Braves to begin with.
Oh – one more of your favorite toipics – BJ Upton is no good.
Lew
January 4th, 2013
11:09 am
And you’ve also advocated trading Gilmartin, Ahmed, Cunningham and most of the rest of the minor league system if you could get one of your pet players.
Misrepresented? Not even.
Jeff R
January 4th, 2013
11:09 am
No one is kicking up a fuss over that either nor the Washington Redskins logo – which the name alone is offensive.
There are groups these days that kick up a fuss over anything and everything for many different reasons – not all good or innocent.
For what it’s worth, I think its a tribute to the American Indian to have images depicting warriors and using monikers that communicate bravery or fierceness employed by sports teams and the military.
Honestly, there are a lot of weenies in the nation today.
TheOnlyBravesFan
January 4th, 2013
11:09 am
BJ Upton is no good.
Schafer, you must mean… to me, Upton is a low risk player for the next 5, given his age, but he’s not a really good one. Solid, average player.
Lew
January 4th, 2013
11:11 am
key largo – Can’t think of the name of the bile racing movie, but didn’t they film the spin off tv show in Athens?
TheOnlyBravesFan
January 4th, 2013
11:11 am
You’ll love this lew…
Ben Duronio @Ben_Duronio
Mike Minor will be a 4 win pitcher this year
Lew
January 4th, 2013
11:12 am
Bike racing. Bile racing sounds like a blog sport.
Jeff R
January 4th, 2013
11:14 am
Schafer, you must mean… to me, Upton is a low risk player for the next 5, given his age, but he’s not a really good one. Solid, average player.
Schafer – great upside, don’t you think?
B.J. Upton… solid, though I’d say above average, but nothing like a star. Oh, and did I mention overpaid? Okay, not by the current market’s standards.
Lew
January 4th, 2013
11:14 am
It’s not a link. But nonetheless – all sorts of freaking idiots running around with a forum to voice their idiocies, aren’t there?
keyLargo.
January 4th, 2013
11:17 am
Jeff R – Exactly the word that needed to be used – tribute. I have been looking for a way to say what you did but couldn’t come up with the word that said I wouldn’t be using their name as a mascot unless I admired them.
You don’t see any teams named the Nazis, Klansmen, Serial Killers, etc.
Jeff R
January 4th, 2013
11:18 am
Who’s Ben Duronio? A psychic? Crystal Ball reader? A chicken entrails prognosticator?
Minor: Four wins in 2013. Chisel that in stone, huh?
Brown
January 4th, 2013
11:18 am
DOB-
Good article, and I agree with you. I don’t think an Indian head on a hat is in any way racist. I can be argued that it is ‘offensive’ perhaps, but that is for an American Indian to decide, rather than American media that wish to speak for other groups. The media is so quick to jump on the Outrage Bandwagon instead of thinking for themselves or posing a different and sometimes valid point of view.
Personally, I didn’t like when Joe Simpson scolded the Atlanta Braves crowd during the wildcard game broadcast, telling everyone “you ought to be ashamed of yourselves.” Very easy to sit in a booth and say that, but the fans were caught in the moment and emotionally invested in the game. If he were a fan sitting with everyone else, he may have gotten caught up in the moment too.
Anyway, I like the hat. It is a cool logo and much more interesting design than the ‘A’ or crossed tomahawks – which by the way is just as racist as the Indian face if you use the popular logic. I am surprised this design came forward though, knowing this kind of backlash should be expected.
TheOnlyBravesFan
January 4th, 2013
11:18 am
Certainly was overpaid til the other contracts came out! I’d have given him 9-11 AAV… weak market helped him out.
Schafer – great upside, don’t you think?
Hah! .606 OPS, 66 OPS+ at the MLB level, the only time in pro ball that he ever posted an OPS over 700 was in 2007-8, when he likely was using HGH…