On the Braves’ Indian-head logo, future catching and LF

The Braves GM is back in the office after a Christmas-New Year’s vacation, and so am I. So let’s start the new year with an update on the Bravos and the stirred-up controversy over new batting-practice caps that feature the old Indian-head logo.

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The logo some don't like.

Oh, the holidays? Well, I saw some great movies, ate some good food, got my snowboarding fix (quick trip to Eldora Mountain near Boulder while visiting my sister) and picked up a bunch of used vinyl (a guy was selling mint-condition collection of rock, country and soul at a flea market in Lafayette, Co.; best of all, someone special gave me a first-pressing Cash “Live at Folsom Prison” LP for Christmas).

How was your Christmas and the rest of the holiday week? Get what you hoped for, maybe a season-ticket package or a Heyward jersey?

OK, let’s get back to our subject.

The Braves, like most teams, didn’t make any moves or announcements since closing their office right before Christmas and re-opening today. But they sure were in the news, and still are.  It’s regarding the proposed new Braves batting-practice cap that prominently features the Mohawk-wearing Indian from the original Atlanta uniforms of the 1960s.

It’s not official and hasn’t been announced by anyone, not MLB nor the Braves, but Paul Lukas, who closely follows all things uniform-related at Uni-Watch.com, got ahold of what we believe to be accurate pictures or depictions of the new designs for all major league teams’ batting-practice caps for the 2013 season. You can see them here.

(Note: On Thursday, a day after this blog was posted, Lukas reported on his Uni-Watch website that the idea was already being reconsidering due to backlash that’s been voiced since the Braves cap design was leaked. Here’s what a Braves official told me when I asked Thursday whether the team would comment about the whole situation, since neither the Braves nor MLB has said anything so far, not even acknowledging any plans for teams to wear new caps at spring training. “We will respond with a statement when/if caps are officially released by MLB,” the team official responded via email. “Before then any statements will come from MLB.”)

The Indian-head logo has drawn plenty of criticism for being politically incorrect and, in the view of some, racist.

We’ve been down this road before, as most of you know. Since at least the early ‘90s there have been protests and increased criticism of schools and pro teams for using Native American mascots and nicknames, and the NCAA beginning in 1996 banned its championship events from being held at schools that opted to continue using them (there were 18 schools that used them before the ban).

A few schools were allowed to continue using the nicknames, most notably the Florida State Seminoles, who got approval from the Seminole tribe in order to satisfy the NCAA.

The Seminole tribe gave its approval of Florida State's use of its mascot and Native American imagery in logos.

The Seminole tribe gave its approval of Florida State's use of its mascot and Native American imagery in logos.

The Braves, who share the same war chant and “tomahawk chop” with FSU fans, decided not to bring back the Indian head logo for the cream-colored home-alternate uniforms that they unveiled in 2012, which are otherwise near-replicas of uniforms the team wore when it moved to Atlanta in 1965. The Indian was replaced by a crossed-tomahawks logo on the sleeve of the new jersey in what was widely understood to be a concession to political correctness.

That’s why I was surprised to see the design on the new batting-practice hats, featuring the Indian-head logo – the “screaming savage” is how it’s been described, though it looks to me like the guy is laughing, not screaming, and he doesn’t look in any way like a “savage.” It’s prominent, right out front, with no other writing or design on the cap.

Honestly, I’ll go on record as saying I like the logo. Sorry if that’s politically incorrect to some. I like it.

Then again, I’m not Native American. And if the majority of those good folks, or just a whole lot of them, are truly offended by the logo, then I could see where it might need to be reconsidered.

But is that the case? So far, as with the Washington Redskins and Cleveland Indians and other teams and schools, it seems to me there were as many or more Native Americans either unaffected or who actually liked the representation as were offended by it. Maybe I’m wrong, but at least that’s how it’s seemed to me.

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Is it racist? Really? That just feels a bit over-the-top reactionary to me, and usually it seems that charge is coming from people who are on the outside of this looking in, like me and most of you. Rather than from actual Native Americans.

If many of them – it doesn’t even have to be a majority, in my view; but it does need to be more than a handful of non-Native American columnists – are offended, then I think it shouldn’t be used. It’s not for us to decide if it’s offensive; it’s for those whom it depicts, and their ancestors, to decide. Right? And if it is offensive to them, then don’t use it. Simple.

notre-dame-fighting-irish-logo-2But let me ask you this: When the Notre Dame “Fighting Irish” logo is plastered everywhere, with the bearded character who has fists up ready to fight, have you ever heard a single complaint from a fan (or a writer, especially one of us of Irish lineage) about it depicting the Irish as a bunch of hostile brawlers?

I mean, it’s not as if the logo has an Irish guy with a bottle of whiskey in his hand. Just a silly green hat and hands balled up in fists. Most of us probably like the image.

Does the Indian-head logo feature a spear or bloody knife somewhere that I’m missing? Or what, is it a Mohawk haircut that’s offensive to some? What specifically about the logo is offensive? Look at it now and please tell me.

If you don’t think the Braves should use the name “Braves,” that’s one thing. But unless you are someone calling for them to drop the name altogether, what about this specific logo do you find offensive (and by “you,” I’m speaking more to the writers who’ve ridiculed it since the cap was unveiled on the website, rather than fans who read this blog, most of whom I’m going to assume don’t mind the logo or even like it as I do).

• Fowler & Upton home/road splits: Question for ya. Why do so many Braves fans point out Dexter Fowler’s home/road split disparity — .984 OPS at Colorado’s Coors Field, .720 on road in 2012; for his career, it’s .882 home and .698 road – as a primary reason he shouldn’t be pursued, yet so few cite the similar disparity of Arizona’s Justin Upton?

In 2012, Arizona’s Upton had a .924 OPS at home and a .670 OPS on the road. For his career, he has a .937 OPS at Chase Field, and a .731 OPS on the road.

Do those who point to the wide disparity in Dexter Fowler's home and road splits realize that Arizons's Justin Upton (above) has a similarly extreme disparity in his home/road splits, both in 2012 and for his career?

Do those who point to the wide disparity in Dexter Fowler's home and road splits realize that Arizons's Justin Upton (above) has a similarly extreme disparity in his home/road splits, both in 2012 and for his career?

Upton not only has a greater disparity in his home and road splits both last season and throughout his career, he actually had a road OPS that was 50 points lower than Fowler’s last season. Think about that. And some here would have you believe Upton is worth giving up multiple young players in trade, then paying $38.5 million over the next three seasons.

Keep in mind, they both played in the same division their entire careers, which means pitcher-friendly Dodger Stadium, AT&T Park (San Francisco) and Petco Park (San Diego) should’ve had similar effects on both of them. And while Chase Field is considered a hitters’ park, it’s not as extremely hitter-friendly as Coors Field. And so, Upton should theoretically have had at least a slight advantage in road OPS, since he gets to play a few series at Coors Field every season.

And yet, Upton’s career road OPS is just 33 points higher than that of Fowler, a leadoff-type hitter with 28 homers in 548 career games.

• Bethancourt, Gattis and catching: Allow me to expand upon something I wrote in the comments section of our main blog on Tuesday, regarding Christian Bethancourt and Evan Gattis and the possible future of the Braves’ catching situation. It was in response to this question from a reader:

My understanding is that Gattis was moved to LF because Bethancourt was blocking him, not because he couldn’t catch.. I don’t know his pct. at throwing out runners but he has a good arm.Wes Jorga

That is correct — the primary reason Gattis was moved was to hasten his path to major leagues at a position (LF) where the Braves anticipated a need, not because of poor catching skills.

Cannon-armed Bethancourt is the Braves’ top position-player prospect and his struggles last season didn’t diminish him in Braves’ view because of two reasons: At 20 he was the youngest player in his league for all or most of the year in the Double-A Southern League, with no previous experience above A-ball, and more importantly he had two injuries that kept him out for nearly half the season combined. He pulled a hamstring early on, and that was slow to heal. Then he broke his hand when hit by a pitch late in season, ended his season abruptly.

The fact that he was still chosen to play in the Futures Game at the All-Star festivities in Kansas City says plenty about the high regard that baseball people have for Bethancourt.

Bethancourt’s agility, quick feet, off-the-charts arm strength and overall skill set — including offensive potential, though he’s shown it only in spurts, notably during an exceptional Arizona Fall League performace in 2011 — is too special for the Braves NOT to have him penciled in as their catcher of the future. If he were to struggle again this season while healthy, maybe they’d start to re-think that. But not right now.

Gattis, from all the folks I’ve talked to — from ex-catchers Eddie Perez to the Braves’ roving catching instructor Joe Breeden and other catchers — is at least decent behind the plate. That’s he’s not going to hurt you back there, and might eventually be better than serviceable behind the dish.

He had made strides in his game-calling before being moved to LF early last season, and in left field he showed a pretty good arm and range despite his thickly muscled build, and took better-than-expected routes for someone without OF experience, showing particularly good ability coming in for fly balls in front of him according to his Double-A manager.

He didn’t play much left field for most of the winter-ball season only because his Venezuelan League team had better options defensively in the outfield and used Gattis as a DH (winter-ball teams don’t serve as developmental teams for major league organizations; winter-ball teams are trying to win games, period).

Gattis has not caught much in pro ball, because he hasn’t played much pro ball, period. Javier Lopez was never a great defensive catcher, you might recall. And that’s not to say Gattis will ever hit like Javy did, but just to point out that if you can hit and hit for power at the big-league level, catching skills don’t have to be Gold Glove-caliber, or even close….

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Gattis in the Venezuelan Winter League, where he led the league in slugging percentage and tied for the home-run lead with 16 in 195 at-bats.

That said, to me Gattis seems more likely to wind up in left field if he stays in the NL. Ultimately, if he hits anywhere near as well in the majors as he’s hit at every other level in the minors and in winter ball, AL teams would probably come calling with interest in him as a DH and part-time position player, if the Braves don’t have regular spot for him.

Unless they add a big-time left fielder between now and Opening Day, I’d expect Gattis to get a chance to earn some playing time in left field, if not at the beginning of the season then by July. And who knows, if by spring it looks as if Brian McCann will miss more than a couple of weeks early on, maybe Gattis could even be considered for some time behind the plate backing up Gerald Laird.

• Gattis winter update: Speaking of Gattis, he didn’t play in the last few games of the winter league season after coming home last week for the holidays. Still, he finished tied with two others for the Venezuelan Winter League lead with 16 homers in 195 at-bats. The other two, Braves bench hopeful Ernesto Mejia and Eliezer Alfonzo, each had 245 at-bats.

Taking into account that winter-ball stats need to be taken with a grain of salt, and are not a consistent indicator of anything as it relates to subsequent performance in the major leagues, the Braves are still understandably encouraged – to say the least – by Gattis’ performance in Venezuela, especially after he missed much of last season with a wrist injury.

The 26-year-old Texan hit .303 with a .365 OBP in 53 games and finished the Venezuela regular season ranked first in slugging percentage (.595), second in OPS (.960) and third in RBIs (44). He’s not returning for the playoffs, as per an agreement beforehand with him and the Braves (he had considered returning after his Zulia team asked him to).

The winter leagues generally are a motley assortment of big leaguers, has-beens, never-weres, and up-and-comers, and there aren’t many established current major league stars who play there until late in the season and/or during the playoffs. But there were some major leaguers in the Venezuela league this winter, and those who would dismissed Gattis and Mejia’s performances should at least consider how they outplayed big leaguers such as Gerardo Parra, a Zulia teammate of theirs. Parra, the Diamondbacks outfielder, hit .298 with a .340 OBP, four homers and a .774 OPS in 139 at-bats.

But again, it’s folly to try to project winter-ball numbers to the majors. I mean, keep in mind that Eliezer Alonzo, who tied Gattis and Mejia for the Venezuela homer lead this winter, is a 33-year-old catcher who hit .361 with a 1.126 OPS last year … in the Mexican League.

Braves backup 1B candidate Mejia also hit 16 homers for the same Zulia team as Gattis. They shared the league HR lead with one other player.

Braves backup 1B candidate Mejia also hit 16 homers for the same Zulia team as Gattis. They shared the league HR lead with one other player.

Alfonzo last played in majors in 2011, when he hit .267 with one homer in 75 at-bats with Colorado. Has a .240 career average and .648 OPS with 17 homers in 591 career at-bats in the majors in parts of six seasons with the Giants, Padres, Mariners and Rockies. Most of that came as a 27-year-old in his first big-league season with San Francisco in 2006, when Alonzo hit .266 with 12 homers and a .767 OPS in 286 at-bats (87 games).

His next-highest totals were 117 at-bats, two homers and a .643 OPS.

And remember, Mejia turned 27 last month and has 710 games and nearly 3000 plate appearances in eight minor league seasons without a major-league callup.

Still, though, Gattis impressed everyone who saw him in Venezuela, earning the splendid nickname “El Oso Blanco” (The White Bear) from his Latin teammates and batting .340 with eight homers and a 1.051 OPS in 97 at-bats with runners on, including .304 with a 1.060 OPS in 56 at-bats with runners in scoring position.

• Ranking the Braves: The Braves’ left-field situation still is unsettled, but that hasn’t stopped some national writers from ranking Atlanta’s overall roster among baseball’s top 10 and giving lofty nods to its infield, outfield and pitching.

Boston Globe scribe Nick Cafardo ranked the Braves’ roster seventh, just behind the Dodgers and ahead of the Cardinals and Giants. Cafardo noted how the Giants demonstrated again in 2012 that it’s usually not the most talented roster that wins the World Series, but the roster that works best together.

Braves fans will probably not be comforted (or surprised) by his No. 1 ranking: Washington. Yes, the NL East is going to be awfully tough again in ’13.

ESPN’s Buster Olney is in the midst of ranking various parts of teams. He had the Braves ranked eighth in his outfield ratings, noting they would be higher if it weren’t unclear how much Martin Prado would play left field. Big-ticket free-agent signee B.J. Upton replaces Michael Bourn in center field and Gold Glove winner Jason Heyward is back in right after a strong bounce-back year in his third season.

For those of you wondering about the Braves’ left-field situation, the word from GM Frank Wren this morning was that the Braves continue to look for a left fielder, but if they can’t find a deal they like they would be comfortable going to camp with what they have and then assessing the situation later.

If the Braves don't add another left fielder before Opening Day, expect Reed Johnson to see plenty of playing time at the outfielder corner.

If the Braves don't add another left fielder before Opening Day, expect Reed Johnson to see plenty of playing time at the outfielder corner.

If spring training opened tomorrow, I’d expect Gattis, Jose Constanza and Jordan Schafer to compete for playing time in left field along with veteran Reed Johnson, the Braves’ top pinch-hitter, fourth outfielder and capable platoon-type player who hit .311 with a .799 OPS against lefties in 2012.

But I also won’t be surprised if the Braves add a proven outfielder between now and spring training, or at least before Opening Day. There are guys still out there like FA Scott Hairston, and guys perhaps more available than we think, like maybe Fowler … you never know who could suddenly become more affordable or more attractive to the Braves.

Buster ranks the Braves’ infield sixth, just behind the Yankees and ahead of the Jays and Nationals. He has Atlanta’s starting rotation ranked eighth in the majors, behind Toronto and ahead of the Giants.

I’d have to think Atlanta’s highest ranking will come when Buster does his bullpen list. I’d be surprised if the Braves aren’t at least in the top five. I’d have them in the top two or three, perhaps even No. 1.

• Top 50 album additions: Before I post this, I wanted to note that with Christmas gift cards and cash I got several more records that would’ve made my Top 50 albums of 2012 list that came out a couple of weeks ago (click here for that list) or at least made honorable mention. They included Lindi Ortega’s Cigarettes & Truckstops (one of the best country albums of the year); Ty Segall Band’s Slaughterhouse (I’m admittedly late to Segall, who put out three albums in ‘12); David Ramirez’s Apologies (think early Ryan Adams, but rawer and more country); Purity Ring’s Shrines; Dum Dum GirlsEnd of Daze (an EP, but their best record so far); and Wild Nothing’s Nocturne (reminds me of the The Church and some ‘80s dream-pop bands, which is a good thing).

Also, I’ll wait another week to do my Top 10 movies list, since Zero Dark Thirty hasn’t started in Atlanta yet, and there are a couple of others I want to see. I saw Looper and Beasts of the Southern Wild this week and both of those moved into my best-of-the-year list.

Enjoy this Nick Cave tune from the Aussie’s brilliant Let Love In album. Here it by clicking here.

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“NOBODY’S BABY NOW” by Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds

I’ve searched the holy books
I tried to unravel the mystery of Jesus Christ, the saviour
I’ve read the poets and the analysts
Searched through the books on human behaviour
I travelled this world around
For an answer that refused to be found
I don’t know why and I don’t know how
But she’s nobody’s baby now

I loved her then and I guess I love her still
Hers is the face I see when a certain mood moves in
She lives in my blood and skin
Her wild feral stare, her dark hair
Her winter lips as cold as stone
Yeah, I was her man
But there are some things love won’t allow
I held her hand but I don’t hold it now
I don’t know why and I don’t know how
But she’s nobody’s baby now

This is her dress that I loved best
With the blue quilted violets across the breast
And these are my many letters
Torn to pieces by her long-fingered hand
I was her cruel-hearted man
And though I’ve tried to lay her ghost down
She’s moving through me, even now
I don’t know why and I don’t know how
But she’s nobody’s baby now
She’s nobody’s baby now
Nobody’s baby now
She’s nobody’s baby now

– David O’Brien, Braves/MIB blog

2,698 comments Add your comment

TennesseePaul

January 2nd, 2013
2:48 pm

Thanks for the work DOB.

I love that logo. Don’t care what others say. It is awesome.

The Real Brave

January 2nd, 2013
2:55 pm

1. Ditch the logo.
2. There is no such thing as a fighting Irish.
3. You need to get over the 17th century. It’s 2013 now.
4. Ditch the logo!

Murph

January 2nd, 2013
2:55 pm

Thanks for the new blog DOB!

Out of Town

January 2nd, 2013
2:56 pm

Why even have the logo that’s going to bring bad press regardless of what you/I think about it. I don’t believe it’s the one they’ll use. No way the Braves want that story following them each day.

TheOnlyBravesFan

January 2nd, 2013
2:56 pm

I love the logo…

Muchas Gracias, Senor O’Brien

David O'Brien

January 2nd, 2013
2:58 pm

2. There is no such thing as a fighting Irish. — The Real Brave

Oh, really?

VaBravesFan

January 2nd, 2013
2:58 pm

Thank for the new blog DOB!

RC

January 2nd, 2013
2:58 pm

Wherever you stand on the logo issue, Franklin Rabon over at Capitol Avenue Club has what I think it a very reasonable take on it.

http://capitolavenueclub.com/?p=8109

VaBravesFan

January 2nd, 2013
2:59 pm

Wren doesn’t have enough prospect talent to even get the Marlins talking, even if he was willing to unload the farm it wouldn’t be enough. Now the DBacks and Justin Upton are a different story, we have enough to get him I think, problem is Wren doesn’t wanna hurt our already bad farm unless he can totally screw someone like he did with the Astro’s.

ncscoots

January 2nd, 2013
3:04 pm

Wren doesn’t have enough prospect talent to even get the Marlins talking, even if he was willing to unload the farm it wouldn’t be enough.

Who says it has to be prospects? Are there no young, controllable players on the ML roster (who, by the way, would carry much more weight than any prospect package from any team) you would be willing to deal for Stanton?

Colorado Brave

January 2nd, 2013
3:04 pm

Never was a fan of that logo even when it was one of the primary logos in the early-to-mid 1980’s. It always seemed cheesy and goofy to me, and yes, I too thought the Indian appeared to be laughing. I would have preferred a hat with the crossed tomahawk logo — or, if MLB absolutely, positively needed a throwback look, the feather logo that was on the sleeves of the mid-1970’s uniform.

ncscoots

January 2nd, 2013
3:05 pm

Wherever you stand on the logo issue, Franklin Rabon over at Capitol Avenue Club has what I think it a very reasonable take on it.

Is Rabon Native American?

VaBravesFan

January 2nd, 2013
3:05 pm

I really have never understood the whole having a issue with team names and logos. I really don’t care but my opinion is people are too sensitive and just need to get over it.

RC

January 2nd, 2013
3:05 pm

As to my take on the logo, I personally think that it looks really cool. That said, I do not find myself qualified to speak on whether not it’s offensive, but the fact that many DO find it offensive, and the fact that the Braves could have very easily avoided this controversy by not bringing it back, make me think that it simply wasn’t a good idea to reintroduce the logo.

Regardless of whether or not it’s overtly offensive, there was no question that it would be received that way by some, making the use of the logo next year a bad PR move and bad business move, IMO.

VaBravesFan

January 2nd, 2013
3:07 pm

Okay if was was to offer Mike Minor, Freddie Freeman, and Randall Delgado for Stanton does that make us a better team?? I don’t think so.

TheOnlyBravesFan

January 2nd, 2013
3:07 pm

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If the Indians logo is okay for games, why isn’t ours for Batting Practice??

RC

January 2nd, 2013
3:07 pm

Wherever you stand on the logo issue, Franklin Rabon over at Capitol Avenue Club has what I think it a very reasonable take on it.

Is Rabon Native American?

I have no idea. The way he addresses the issue I don’t think it really matters one way or the other.

Reid in EAV

January 2nd, 2013
3:09 pm

Had a pennant with that logo on my bedroom wall as a kid growing up and I still have a soft spot for it. Of course, I still have a soft spot for Chief Noc-A-Homa, and you know he’s not coming back. I’d long ago conceded the fact that the image would have to fade away as a concession to political correctness so I’m a little surprised to see it popping back up officially again. I also note that altered versions of the “Screamin’ Brave” have been making the rounds amongst hipsters for a few years now (I’ve seen skeleton and zombie versions) to the organization may just be trying to make a trademark claim to make the other stuff go away.

JT Grace

January 2nd, 2013
3:09 pm

The same incorrect photo of Gattis was used in a previous blog. That is Ernesto Mejia, NOT Evan Gattis

Al

January 2nd, 2013
3:09 pm

Welcome back DOB!! I like the “screaming” Indian logo and would like to get one of those BP hats.
Jealous of the Live at Folsom Prison LP

TennesseePaul

January 2nd, 2013
3:09 pm

The Mets are sporting a baseball headed man on their caps, and I would think any white guy with a large head would be deeply offended the Mets are exploiting his image for the sake of money.

RC

January 2nd, 2013
3:09 pm

Okay if was was to offer Mike Minor, Freddie Freeman, and Randall Delgado for Stanton does that make us a better team?? I don’t think so.

I dunno. I think if the Braves did that, signed Adam LaRoche to a 3-year deal (or played Mejia at 1b), and went out and found a back-end starter to hold the fort until Beachy came back then it would definitely make the Braves a better team.

Murph

January 2nd, 2013
3:10 pm

Let’s go back to the Atlanta Crackers and change the face from the screaming indian to the weird kid from Deliverance. We could even change the tomahawk to a banjo.

Maybe that would get all the uppity indians to relax.

RC

January 2nd, 2013
3:11 pm

The Mets are sporting a baseball headed man on their caps, and I would think any white guy with a large head would be deeply offended the Mets are exploiting his image for the sake of money.

As a white guy with a large head, I can safely say that there are a very large number of things that offend me about the NY Mets. Mr. Met, however, is not among them.

BravePack(FreeFan)

January 2nd, 2013
3:13 pm

Agree 100% with DOB. Love the logo and will get the BP hat as soon as it comes out. I still don’t see how it is racist. In fact, I think it shows respect to the Native Americans by honoring them and their name along with the image.

VaBravesFan

January 2nd, 2013
3:13 pm

I have alot of family and friends with a good amount of Indian descent and so on, most of them are Redskins fans and have no issues with this at all. My god brother who my parents adopted long long ago his biological father was 100% Indian, my bro loves all sports teams like the Redskins, Indians, Chiefs, and Braves and so on. I’ve never met 1 person that was against any of this, and the only person that I know of in sports that has spoken bad about it is Keith Law, who actually said “I’d never accept a job for the Braves, Redskins, Chief’s and so on”

Slowhiteguy

January 2nd, 2013
3:15 pm

Love the logo….the Indian not only appears as though he’s laughing…he appears a touch stoned.

ncscoots

January 2nd, 2013
3:15 pm

Okay if was was to offer Mike Minor, Freddie Freeman, and Randall Delgado for Stanton does that make us a better team?? I don’t think so

Well, I don’t think you could offer two of your top 7 pitchers, but certainly one of them. Add Gattis to Freeman, since he would then have no OF spot. Add in some filler pitching prospects, if you like.

Sign Adam for three, score 800+ runs.

DAP

January 2nd, 2013
3:15 pm

youre right, DOB. the “screaming savage” isnt screaming, nor is he a savage. he is clearly laughing, or perhaps singing, and despite is rebellious haircut (now a norm for competitive athletes) has clearly had dental work done, and maintains good oral health. obviously he is not a savage.

the FSU guy looks like he just stubbed his toe, is all.

by the way, i love the “screaming savage” emblem and looked very hard years ago for a hat with the symbol. i got one about 4 years ago, but the symbol is becoming more popular, and now i can get the batting practice cap pretty easily, i imagine.

NC Roseman

January 2nd, 2013
3:17 pm

Wren should have spent the $ for Cody Ross, or some veteran outfielder. We need a veteran presence on this club with Chipper retiring, not to mention a proven bat that you can bank on 20 homers, and 75 RBIs. But, we are not in the habit of spending money on anymore than one acquistion per off season, that’s just the way it is.

TheOnlyBravesFan

January 2nd, 2013
3:17 pm

The Black Sox are offended by the White Sox….

BravesFanInNashville

January 2nd, 2013
3:18 pm

DOB….. Great post thank you! Also great lyrics in the song posted. I make my living writing songs and am also a publisher of several hit writers in Nashville. That lyric is brilliant as it moves you without even hearing a melody.

Thanks for all you do. Happy New Year!

Venice Jim

January 2nd, 2013
3:18 pm

Absolutely horrific logic – I am extremely disappointed…

David O'Brien

January 2nd, 2013
3:18 pm

Love the logo….the Indian not only appears as though he’s laughing…he appears a touch stoned. — Slowhiteguy

Ha.

Braveone

January 2nd, 2013
3:20 pm

From the previous blog which had 6,292 comments, TheOnlyBravesFan led the way with 558 posts. There were 380 different poster names. Here are the Top 25:

Rank Poster Frequency

1 TheOnlyBravesFan 558
2 Tom O’Hawke 398
3 nolie 389
4 VaBravesFan 290
5 Lew 223
6 cabravesfan 200
7 richbrave 154
8 ncgary 119
9 old man 117
10 kenhotlanta 115
11 DS1 108
12 David O’Brien 107
13 JC Brave 104
14 uga-brave 98
15 Venice Jim 97
16 Disgusted 91
17 Half Empty 89
18 Heath 89
19 JasonInFL 88
20 George_George 87
21 Ward 79
22 ncscoots 79
23 SNEAKY PETE 77
24 Murph 76
25 Zing 76

Someone Special

January 2nd, 2013
3:20 pm

“someone special gave me a first-pressing Cash”

What’s his name?

TennesseePaul

January 2nd, 2013
3:20 pm

Of all the names the Braves have had, I think the Braves is the best, and the logo is the most awesome there is. I am certainly glad they didn’t stick with the Doves. Ugh. Those are dark times to read about… The Rustler? Bees? Awful names.

CrαZy

January 2nd, 2013
3:20 pm

I love the logo… As soon as they’re available I’ll buy one! Hell I’ll even wear it on my annual trip to Cherokee!!

David O'Brien

January 2nd, 2013
3:22 pm

The same incorrect photo of Gattis was used in a previous blog. That is Ernesto Mejia, NOT Evan Gattis — JT Grace

That is NOT Ernesto Mejia. Not sure if you’re confused about Mejia, but he wears batting glove and has a beard.

To prove the point, I’ll add a photo of Mejia from this winter to the blog.

Oskie

January 2nd, 2013
3:22 pm

Bring back Noc A Homa!

ncscoots

January 2nd, 2013
3:22 pm

the only person that I know of in sports that has spoken bad about it is Keith Law, who actually said “I’d never accept a job for the Braves, Redskins, Chief’s

For which I applaud him, as a man who stands by his principles. Where I draw the line is when Keith tells me that I shouldn’t accept a job with the Braves, Redskins, Chiefs, etc. :-)

Jim Thorpe

January 2nd, 2013
3:23 pm

Why doesn’t anyone say the Vikings logo is racist and depicts a white person as a “savage”? Racism has tragically become a weapon that is invoked selectively to the point that we cannot even discuss true racism anymore.

The political correctness in our society effectively limits free speech, one of our basic rights. At least one person is going to be offended by just about anything said or done. Suppressing the right to express ourselves is a far more egregious offense than offending someone.

Keep the logo!

Braveone

January 2nd, 2013
3:23 pm

From all blogs in 2012 which totals 355,471 comments, nolie led the way with 16486 posts. There were 5,989 different poster names. Here are the Top 100:

Rank Poster Frequency Percent Cumulative_%

1 nolie 16,486 4.6 4.6
2 TheOnlyBravesFan 12,541 3.5 8.2
3 Efrim 10,294 2.9 11.1
4 Venice Jim 9,643 2.7 13.8
5 cabravesfan 8,706 2.4 16.2
6 phil 7,861 2.2 18.4
7 Lew 6,922 1.9 20.4
8 ncscoots 6,573 1.8 22.2
9 VaBravesFan 5,402 1.5 23.8
10 Bat Masterson 5,287 1.5 25.2
11 David O’Brien 4,763 1.3 26.6
12 Murph 4,631 1.3 27.9
13 Ward 4,565 1.3 29.2
14 DS1 4,459 1.3 30.4
15 richbrave 4,439 1.2 31.7
16 Brava 4,398 1.2 32.9
17 brian 4,262 1.2 34.1
18 Disgusted 4,235 1.2 35.3
19 jeffrey d 3,770 1.1 36.4
20 TennesseePaul 3,617 1.0 37.4
21 MFin04 3,600 1.0 38.4
22 Jeff R 3,423 1.0 39.3
23 tiger297 3,275 0.9 40.3
24 The A Bomb 2,990 0.8 41.1
25 Brian from SC 2,896 0.8 41.9
26 raleighbravefan 2,848 0.8 42.7
27 ChattTownBrian 2,823 0.8 43.5
28 Shaun 2,820 0.8 44.3
29 Tomahawkin 2,748 0.8 45.1
30 Jerry 2,481 0.7 45.8
31 cricket 2,429 0.7 46.5
32 ChattTownBrian (CTB) 2,416 0.7 47.1
33 DAP 2,408 0.7 47.8
34 Tomahawk Mafia 2,365 0.7 48.5
35 JC Brave 2,355 0.7 49.2
36 Mark 2,347 0.7 49.8
37 CraZy 2,332 0.7 50.5
38 count_schemula 2,301 0.6 51.1
39 Arkansas Transplant 2,267 0.6 51.8
40 George 2,190 0.6 52.4
41 bravesgrl4life 2,173 0.6 53.0
42 Trey 2,167 0.6 53.6
43 JasonInFL 2,144 0.6 54.2
44 Mixxo 2,107 0.6 54.8
45 ncbravesfan90 2,105 0.6 55.4
46 kenhotlanta 2,036 0.6 56.0
47 McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô: 2,029 0.6 56.5
48 uga-brave 1,945 0.5 57.1
49 ACE 1,878 0.5 57.6
50 Capt.Mudd 1,849 0.5 58.1
51 abeeewright 1,828 0.5 58.6
52 Ease 1,823 0.5 59.1
53 Sopheee 1,716 0.5 59.6
54 NickB 1,713 0.5 60.1
55 Tom O’Hawke 1,654 0.5 60.6
56 CB 1,634 0.5 61.0
57 Jimmy 1,611 0.5 61.5
58 MIBravesFan 1,579 0.4 61.9
59 RC 1,504 0.4 62.4
60 keylargo 1,473 0.4 62.8
61 Woody Woodward 1,394 0.4 63.2
62 McFann :Ô: :Ô: 1,324 0.4 63.5
63 noleee 1,318 0.4 63.9
64 BFChris27 1,317 0.4 64.3
65 P-Town Brave © 1,302 0.4 64.6
66 Bay Area Steve 1,297 0.4 65.0
67 George_George 1,292 0.4 65.4
68 Bravefaninok 1,254 0.4 65.7
69 Hugo Z Hackenbush 1,238 0.3 66.1
70 TNScott 1,219 0.3 66.4
71 Mitchell 1,214 0.3 66.8
72 njbraves 1,201 0.3 67.1
73 old man 1,196 0.3 67.4
74 ncgary 1,185 0.3 67.8
75 Veer 1,138 0.3 68.1
76 Ray 1,099 0.3 68.4
77 MiaBchBravesFan 1,077 0.3 68.7
78 CaptMudd 1,073 0.3 69.0
79 LAG 1,060 0.3 69.3
80 Couch Tater 1,030 0.3 69.6
81 SNEAKY PETE 1,027 0.3 69.9
82 monty 1,016 0.3 70.2
83 Kat 1,005 0.3 70.4
84 usnavyvolfaninva 979 0.3 70.7
85 Half Empty 956 0.3 71.0
86 Hillbilly 931 0.3 71.3
87 Soph 931 0.3 71.5
88 Pace 930 0.3 71.8
89 Bobby H 922 0.3 72.0
90 MikeInFl 898 0.3 72.3
91 Animus 849 0.2 72.5
92 flange1 840 0.2 72.8
93 Fols 828 0.2 73.0
94 Frankie Wren 819 0.2 73.2
95 Trader Jack 819 0.2 73.5
96 Lawton 810 0.2 73.7
97 Ralph 805 0.2 73.9
98 TBbravesfan 789 0.2 74.1
99 Frankie 781 0.2 74.4
100 Juan 735 0.2 74.6

Top poster by blog post date:

Date Poster Frequency Percent

02JAN2012 Efrim 429 9.1
10JAN2012 Efrim 307 7.3
17JAN2012 cabravesfan 245 6.5
23JAN2012 nolie 308 6.9
03FEB2012 cabravesfan 253 6.8
11FEB2012 nolie 223 9.5
16FEB2012 cabravesfan 159 8.7
21FEB2012 nolie 101 9.3
23FEB2012 Lew 78 5.7
25FEB2012 nolie 174 16.1
27FEB2012 cabravesfan 183 10.8
29FEB2012 cabravesfan 188 10.9
03MAR2012 Venice Jim 81 4.9
05MAR2012 Venice Jim 302 21.4
07MAR2012 Venice Jim 191 16.8
08MAR2012 Venice Jim 176 20.1
09MAR2012 Venice Jim 210 31.6
10MAR2012 Rick 79 6.5
12MAR2012 abeeewright 107 7.6
14MAR2012 Venice Jim 159 10.6
16MAR2012 Tomahawkin 114 7.8
18MAR2012 Venice Jim 176 9.5
21MAR2012 Venice Jim 161 23.5
22MAR2012 Venice Jim 159 15.4
23MAR2012 Venice Jim 306 13.4
27MAR2012 Venice Jim 310 15.9
29MAR2012 Venice Jim 448 14.5
02APR2012 Venice Jim 109 11.9
03APR2012 noleee 87 6.5
05APR2012 phil 103 4.1
07APR2012 Tomahawkin 208 6.6
09APR2012 Tomahawkin 96 4.1
10APR2012 ChrisfromSacramento,Ca 85 4.2
11APR2012 phil 163 7.0
13APR2012 JasonInFL 93 5.0
14APR2012 nolie 172 6.6
16APR2012 nolie 80 6.4
17APR2012 phil 54 5.0
18APR2012 cabravesfan 74 4.5
19APR2012 cabravesfan 104 6.8
20APR2012 cabravesfan 104 8.3
21APR2012 nolie 240 9.2
23APR2012 count_schemula 131 6.5
24APR2012 cabravesfan 104 5.8
27APR2012 nolie 162 7.9
29APR2012 JasonInFL 64 6.6
30APR2012 phil 80 7.5
01MAY2012 nolie 64 3.9
02MAY2012 VaBravesFan 90 4.1
03MAY2012 nolie 38 5.0
04MAY2012 JasonInFL 115 8.1
05MAY2012 nolie 227 9.2
07MAY2012 nolie 129 7.8
08MAY2012 nolie 121 10.3
09MAY2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 112 5.4
11MAY2012 nolie 142 6.5
13MAY2012 nolie 143 9.6
14MAY2012 phil 68 5.5
15MAY2012 nolie 81 7.2
16MAY2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 105 6.8
17MAY2012 nolie 116 7.2
18MAY2012 nolie 147 11.2
19MAY2012 nolie 123 7.0
21MAY2012 nolie 74 4.9
22MAY2012 J-Man 83 6.9
23MAY2012 phil 74 6.2
24MAY2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 116 8.0
25MAY2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 100 5.9
26MAY2012 nolie 119 8.9
27MAY2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 96 6.0
28MAY2012 nolie 62 4.2
29MAY2012 phil 95 6.2
30MAY2012 nolie 201 8.3
01JUN2012 nolie 159 9.0
03JUN2012 Efrim 156 5.8
05JUN2012 Efrim 75 5.9
06JUN2012 nolie 127 9.1
07JUN2012 nolie 120 6.4
08JUN2012 JNick 119 6.4
09JUN2012 nolie 94 8.7
10JUN2012 Brava 45 3.5
11JUN2012 nolie 165 8.5
12JUN2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 91 3.5
13JUN2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 174 6.9
15JUN2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 94 6.0
16JUN2012 nolie 167 6.0
18JUN2012 Efrim 84 4.5
19JUN2012 Efrim 91 4.3
20JUN2012 nolie 217 8.0
22JUN2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 81 5.9
23JUN2012 nolie 115 8.2
24JUN2012 nolie 171 6.9
26JUN2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 125 8.8
27JUN2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 111 7.8
28JUN2012 phil 92 6.0
29JUN2012 nolie 186 5.9
01JUL2012 nolie 138 7.9
02JUL2012 Efrim 81 4.0
03JUL2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 156 9.0
04JUL2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 137 7.0
05JUL2012 nolie 127 8.6
06JUL2012 nolie 134 9.3
07JUL2012 nolie 153 3.9
09JUL2012 nolie 225 7.3
13JUL2012 nolie 113 5.2
14JUL2012 NickB 71 4.8
15JUL2012 nolie 203 7.5
17JUL2012 Efrim 104 5.4
18JUL2012 DS1 140 6.0
19JUL2012 jeffrey d 60 4.4
20JUL2012 Mark 216 4.8
22JUL2012 Efrim 209 5.3
24JUL2012 Efrim 278 5.6
27JUL2012 nolie 125 8.0
28JUL2012 nolie 75 6.2
29JUL2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 73 4.6
30JUL2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 279 10.4
31JUL2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 106 6.9
01AUG2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 56 4.5
02AUG2012 Efrim 78 7.2
03AUG2012 nolie 79 9.4
04AUG2012 nolie 72 7.6
05AUG2012 nolie 29 4.3
06AUG2012 Efrim 64 4.8
07AUG2012 Efrim 94 8.3
08AUG2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 228 10.4
10AUG2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 102 11.0
11AUG2012 Mark 97 8.4
12AUG2012 Venice Jim 53 6.0
13AUG2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 93 7.8
14AUG2012 phil 70 6.2
15AUG2012 Efrim 76 5.8
16AUG2012 nolie 106 8.0
17AUG2012 nolie 75 5.2
18AUG2012 Trey 67 7.1
19AUG2012 nolie 123 8.3
20AUG2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 124 5.2
21AUG2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 110 6.1
22AUG2012 Brava 92 6.0
23AUG2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 125 6.2
24AUG2012 Brava 130 4.5
26AUG2012 The A Bomb 75 5.1
27AUG2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 105 7.8
28AUG2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 84 6.9
29AUG2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 158 8.2
31AUG2012 nolie 157 9.5
01SEP2012 nolie 62 6.2
02SEP2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 107 7.3
03SEP2012 nolie 83 6.0
04SEP2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 82 5.6
05SEP2012 nolie 202 7.4
07SEP2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 139 6.5
09SEP2012 cabravesfan 74 8.8
10SEP2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 77 7.8
11SEP2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 71 6.7
12SEP2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 123 6.9
14SEP2012 nolie 63 4.8
15SEP2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 86 8.2
16SEP2012 Bat Masterson 53 4.6
17SEP2012 usnavyvolfaninva 57 5.2
18SEP2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 79 6.5
19SEP2012 nolie 144 7.4
21SEP2012 usnavyvolfaninva 42 4.2
22SEP2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 122 6.2
25SEP2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 101 8.1
26SEP2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 75 7.3
27SEP2012 Bay Area Steve 54 7.0
28SEP2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 46 5.0
29SEP2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 129 9.4
01OCT2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 88 7.0
02OCT2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 230 7.4
05OCT2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 210 5.0
08OCT2012 Efrim 134 7.9
10OCT2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 471 7.0
22OCT2012 Efrim 474 7.3
02NOV2012 nolie 526 10.2
12NOV2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 408 9.4
19NOV2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 169 6.8
25NOV2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 446 7.2
04DEC2012 Brava 464 9.6
10DEC2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 388 7.3
18DEC2012 TheOnlyBravesFan 558 8.9

VaBravesFan

January 2nd, 2013
3:26 pm

I think its a joke to be honest. It’s just a logo of a Indian. plsu team names are not racist and so on? How is the Redskins, Braves, Chiefs, Indians racist?

For Example

A team name like the “Georgia Cotton Pickers” Or as posted about the “Atlanta Crackers” or we can go ahead and say the “Atlanta Indian Givers” “Atlanta Spear Chuckers” Those ARE racist names… The current teams are not even close to this stuff.

kenhotlanta

January 2nd, 2013
3:26 pm

It was reported today that Bobby Womack has been diagnosed with Alzheimer’s Disease. But since Disgusted has never heard of him and didn’t know he was in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, I guess it doesn’t matter to some folks.
Womack wrote and recorded “It’s All Over Now” as The Valentinos in the early 60’s…that song became the first number one hit by The Rolling Stones. He also wrote New Birth’s “I Can Understand It”, which became a world wide dance hit in the late 70’s by Kokomo. As a singer he is most notable for the hits “Lookin’ For a Love”, “That’s The Way I Feel About Cha”, “Woman’s Gotta Have It”, “Harry Hippie”, “Across 110th Street” and his 1980s hit “If You Think You’re Lonely Now”. In the last 30 years, he made some excellent solo albums that are worth a listen if you can find them.

bucky oneil

January 2nd, 2013
3:27 pm

Like the logo. Will probably buy a batting pratice cap with it on it. And I’ll wear it while playing my new squareneck lap steel resonator guitar that I got for Christmas while listening to my copy of Ray Wylie Hubbard’s Grifter’s Hymnal that I believe was somewhere around # 30 on your countdown.

Murph

January 2nd, 2013
3:27 pm

I finished 12th in ‘12. Nice!

Ward finished 13th. That means he is due for lots and lots of bad luck this year. Remember the guy who finished 13th last year? Didn’t he die of syphilis or something?

TennesseePaul

January 2nd, 2013
3:28 pm

That’s my personal take, and that’s all it is. I have no interest in arguing that one way or the other.
–Franklin Rabon

Got to that point and paused. Figured, that’s fair. It’s his personal take and he has not interest in arguing one way or the other, so why read the rest of what he writes on the topic? Then I came back here.

I love the logo and the name. That’s my personal take on the matter. I think it’s awesome.

UKUGA

January 2nd, 2013
3:29 pm

Does anybody think the Braves may end up changing their name at some point (less than 100 years out, I mean)?

Something that originally struck my attention about 7 years ago was the use of the term “Brav-os” on occasion on the scoreboard. Specific example, “Let’s go Brav-os” during late inning rallies.

It just kind of made me wonder if there was some kind of subtle preparation for a name change down the road. Probably not. And I suspect that a name change would be to something besides “Bravos”. More likely to be Pelicans, or Mosquitos, Nutria, or Rougarou.

ncscoots

January 2nd, 2013
3:29 pm

8 ncscoots 6,573 1.8 22.2

Oh, man, retirement has sucked me into a blog-posting vortex from which I despair ever escaping. :-)

This is totally insane. There is zero possibility that I had something worthwhile to say 6500 times in a year. Zero.

RC

January 2nd, 2013
3:31 pm

I finished 12th in ‘12. Nice!

Ward finished 13th. That means he is due for lots and lots of bad luck this year. Remember the guy who finished 13th last year? Didn’t he die of syphilis or something?

Was it Kenshin Kawakami?

Or Garrett Anderson?

BravesFanInNashville

January 2nd, 2013
3:32 pm

One thing that I find to be an imbalance in the one game WC playoff is that one team could win 99 games and fight down to the last game of the season trying to win their division to avoid the 1 game playoff scenario and another team could win 89 games and finish 10 games out of 1st place in their division and have rested the final weekend because they had the WC wrapped up. So the 89 win team could start a rested Ace whereas the 99 win WC team might have to pitch a #3 or #4 starter because they had to pitch their Aces the final weekend trying to win the division.

I know this can also happen to division winners when they start series but they have 5 games to try to sort it out so they’ll at least get to pitch their #1 and #2 pitcher once each and then they might only need one more win to with the series. In a 1 Game WC it’s really not fair to that 99 win team to have to put their whole season in the hands of a #3 or #4 starter when the 89 win team gets to start their ace and also has a rested #2 to come in if needed.

There has to be a better way. They have changed the playoff format already so why don’t they just start from a clean slate and design a playoff system that is the best option instead of adding on as they go without a good plan like they’re doing now? The All – Star game is supposed to be an exhibition for the fans and a reward to the games best players let’s stop giving home field advantage to the winning League. Why not just alternate years NL and AL? It’s only fair as the DH rule in home games changes strategy so much.

I say MLB should take a cue from the NCAA and get the playoff system figured out like college football did starting in 2014.

Simpson's Homer

January 2nd, 2013
3:32 pm

1. Anyone who says that there are NO fighting Irish has spent NO time in Ireland, or in certain northern neighborhoods in the US. What about James Cagney, anyway!?!?

2. Anyone who is offended by the old Braves logo is far too sensitive to be allowed on the internet. With all of the problems in this world, what sort of fool would list ANY team logo as worthy of a moment’s thought?! Political correctness is a drain on our society – we have REAL problems to solve!

3. If you watch the video clips of Gattis hitting those homers in Venezuela, he seems to have a sweet, powerful swing. It’s hard to imagine him NOT being a future major leaguer, regardless of his age. Plus, we need someone on the team with a cool nickname, and now he has one.

4. Dave, don’t know if you’re familiar with Bill Mallonee’s Americana music via Athens’ Vigilantes of Love, but he has a new solo album called “Amber Waves” that has gotten good reviews in the past month.

5. Happy New Year to everybody — maybe 2013 will be the year that one of our local teams finally wins a championship!!!

UKUGA

January 2nd, 2013
3:32 pm

When my second child is born this spring I plan to have that logo tattooed across his/her chest.

So there!

DAP

January 2nd, 2013
3:33 pm

to me, it seems like the terms “braves”, “indians” and “fighting irish” are pretty generic, not specific. thats why i dont understand any offense. you have to be trying to be offended to get emotionally injured by such a generic thing. the “redskins” i can kind of understand more, because i believe it was a racial slur at one time.

Enquiring Minds Want To Know

January 2nd, 2013
3:33 pm

Anybody who is worried about a sports team logo has got too much time on their hands.

Well, I guess that would be us, wouldn’t it.

kenhotlanta

January 2nd, 2013
3:34 pm

Murph @ 3:10: “Let’s go back to the Atlanta Crackers and change the face from the screaming indian to the weird kid from Deliverance. We could even change the tomahawk to a banjo.”

I resemble that remark!

UKUGA

January 2nd, 2013
3:34 pm

Very pleased to not be in the top 100 for 2012.

Happy New Year again everybody.

Go Braves!

VaBravesFan

January 2nd, 2013
3:34 pm

Wow, can’t believe I finished 9th overall. Didn’t realize how much time I’ve spent on here lol. Also only 1 time did I place 1st for a single blog. I blame the economy, I was laid off for 4 months in 2012 lol

UKUGA

January 2nd, 2013
3:37 pm

That is not Gattis or Mejia. That is Justin Upton.

ncscoots

January 2nd, 2013
3:38 pm

Plus, we need someone on the team with a cool nickname, and now he has one.

Good point. Published nicknames (non-locker-room versions) for Braves’ players leave a little to be desired.

Does Stanton have a nickname? I mean, other than “Mike”? :-)

chipl1960

January 2nd, 2013
3:38 pm

40 days til pitchers and catchers report. Yes!! Thanks David for the blog. Maybe the counters will shut up now. Some on here believe DOB does nothing between Oct. and Feb. and then coasts through the season working 3 or 4 days out of 7 just watching baseball games, listening to music, and eating BBQ. The only part of Davids job I envy is the access to the players and cultivating those relationships over the years. The rest of it, the travel, airports, hotel rooms, deadlines, ignorant and sometimes mean spirited posters, no thanks. I know your job is demanding and you are probably underpaid. But, thanks again for all you provide. Those of us with a brain appreciate it.

DAP

January 2nd, 2013
3:39 pm

10paul The Mets are sporting a baseball headed man on their caps, and I would think any white guy with a large head would be deeply offended the Mets are exploiting his image for the sake of money.

i cant help but think of the brewers mascot…haphazardly sliding around during games. i mean..beer brewing is serious work, and they are being made fun of. if im a brewer in pissed.

maximum

January 2nd, 2013
3:39 pm

David O'Brien

January 2nd, 2013
3:39 pm

Like the logo. Will probably buy a batting pratice cap with it on it. And I’ll wear it while playing my new squareneck lap steel resonator guitar that I got for Christmas while listening to my copy of Ray Wylie Hubbard’s Grifter’s Hymnal that I believe was somewhere around # 30 on your countdown. — bucky oneil

Sounds good to me. I love that album.

ncscoots

January 2nd, 2013
3:40 pm

That is not Gattis or Mejia. That is Justin Upton.

I don’t think even the blindest graphics guy employed by the AJC could mistake Justin Upton for Evan Gattis, could they?

VaBravesFan

January 2nd, 2013
3:40 pm

I can understand the term “Redskins” a little. It’s basically the same thing as calling a black person the N word or calling someone who’s white a Cracker. But were talking about a sports team, and they didn’t create the team with intended racism toward Native Americans.

Bud

January 2nd, 2013
3:40 pm

For the record, I am of Irish ancestry, and I HATE the Note Dame nickname and logo. I would love to see it ditched. Therefore I say, get rid of the Native American batting practice logo.

David O'Brien

January 2nd, 2013
3:41 pm

That’s sad to hear about Bobby Womack, kenhotlanta. And it happens when he’s riding a wave of renewed interest and picked up some new fans after the release in 2012 of his best in a long time, The Bravest Man in the Universe.

Murph

January 2nd, 2013
3:42 pm

Does Stanton have a nickname?

He does, but it’s highly offensive. Can’t be repeated here.

Disbott3000

January 2nd, 2013
3:44 pm

I don’t have a problem with the logo, but it is already starting to create a negative distraction around the team and we aren’t even in spring training yet. Part of a teams balance is about avoiding unnecessary, negative distractions, and that’s what this is rapidly turning out to be. Also, can you imagine these players having to answer a bunch of questions about race and stereotypes, over and over again? Someone’s eventually going to step in it and say something offensive to someone, which will just create more negative energy around the team.

I guess my point is, don’t upset the apple cart. We don’t use that logo now and we’re doing pretty well without it. Keep it in the past, where it wasn’t causing a ruckus.

Homer the Brave

January 2nd, 2013
3:44 pm

Would the new batting practice logo be acceptable if it showed an Indian scalping a white man? Would that make the liberals and the tree-huggers happy?

What are you looking at?

January 2nd, 2013
3:46 pm

The Notre Dame logo isn’t an Irishman. It’s a leprechaun. A mythical creature. Doesn’t depict or purport to depict a human being in any way, shape, or form.

VaBravesFan

January 2nd, 2013
3:46 pm

We could probably nit pick every single sports team and find something wrong. Basically boils down to how sensitive you are.

Cliff Fiscal

January 2nd, 2013
3:46 pm

I realize that it would cost a truckload of talent to get Stanton and that it will not happen. But, an outfield of Stanton/B.J. Upton/Heyward would be incredibly dynamic and a must-see proposition. I certainly would dish out more dough to come to the ballpark.

Slowhiteguy

January 2nd, 2013
3:46 pm

Homer….lmao….

DAP

January 2nd, 2013
3:47 pm

has clearly had dental work done, and maintains good oral health. obviously he is not a savage.

ill add to this that i suspect those who are opposed to the logo to be anti-dentites.

Cliff Fiscal

January 2nd, 2013
3:47 pm

I agree with DOB’s take on the logo issue.

fan

January 2nd, 2013
3:47 pm

Keep the Brave logo.

Mixxo

January 2nd, 2013
3:47 pm

The laughin’ injun with a buzz on…..I like it.

Very apropos if we become the laughingstock of the NL East.

I suggest the peeps who don’t like it…..deal with it.

Being of Norwegian heritage, am I offended by the Vikings logo? Absolutely not. Quite proud of it actually. :)

TheOnlyBravesFan

January 2nd, 2013
3:49 pm

Does Stanton have a nickname?

He does, but it’s highly offensive. Can’t be repeated here.

Haha! I’m trying and trying to come up with a way to post a nickname for him (which is offensive) but I can’t… I’ll just say it starts with the letter M.

coachx

January 2nd, 2013
3:50 pm

Scandinavians are not offended with a savage looking Viking running around the Metrodome in Minnesota.
The Irish are not offended of Notre Dame’s Irish midget mascot who likes to fight.
Renecks are not offended by the Tennessee or West Virginia parading around a white guy in racoon hat with a musket.
Cowboys are not offended by Dallas and Oklahoma state using cowboys with guns as their mascots.
The Seminole tribe has no problem with FSU using their tribal name with a drawing of an Indians in war paint.
So what the
problem with the Atlanta Braves using a smiling young Brave as a logo ?

TennesseePaul

January 2nd, 2013
3:50 pm

DOB, the recent additions/updates, would it be safe to say that, wherever they might rank in your top 50, they would just bump off the last 7, or would some higher rated ones be dropped out of the list?

I’m trying to build my purchase order, and this does impact it. There are ramifications for such late entries.

jerry

January 2nd, 2013
3:50 pm

“Cafardo noted how the Giants demonstrated again in 2012 that it’s usually not the most talented roster that wins the World Series, but the roster that works best together.”

27 titles won by the Yankees, not because they “worked” together but because they were more talented.

Thadsdad

January 2nd, 2013
3:50 pm

Until the Redskin, a blatant racist term, is eliminated from the list of sports nicknames I can’t badmouth any sports logos, no matter how they’re interpreted. Look at the long fight North Dakota State University had over using the “Fighting Sioux” as the school’s mascot. After being threatened with not hosting an NCAA ice hockey tournament, the school finally relented. But what the heck is wrong with the fighting Sioux? It seems Native Americans have been screwed over by American society in a lot more harmful ways than using the names of tribes for athletic teams.

jmart1951

January 2nd, 2013
3:50 pm

I believe that unless the major leaguer is a first year major leaguer the Marlins would not want him. Their goal is to stockpile high talent at first through 3rd year cost. This means that a minor league ready player or a player that has performed well in the majors but did not give up their first year of eligibility doing it would be most attractive to them.

If it were me I would offer Minor or Medlin (their choice), Delgado, Freeman or Mejia (their choice), Amhed, Gilmartin and Cunningham
The Marlins could certainly take Freeman and then trade him to another club for a couple of very good prospects. Same with Medlin

I believe that might do it.

Then extend Heyward and Prado.
This should result in the Braves having a very good chance of winning for the next four to five years.
Stanton is a huge difference maker. He is a five tool player and would lead the team in RBI. An outfield of Stanton, Upton and Heyward would be very good defensively and outstanding offensively.
Prado playing third base full time with Simmons at his side really covers the left side of the infield. Mejia, if they chose Freeman, has good splits for both right handed and left handed pitchers. He only made 7 errors in 135 games last year. He could end up being a very good replacement for Freeman.
Pitching staff of Medlin, Maholm, Hudson and Tehren would mean that the Braves need to sign another major league starter for 2013.
2014, they could extend Hudson, add Beachy back in and either go with Graham or a free agent starter. Plus you never know who may develope rapidly in 2013 that would be a surprise starter in 2014.

I know that this trade would be a risk and weaken the Braves pitching depth but Stanton in his prime years at very reasonable cost would be worth having to rework the starting pitching staff.

Chief Knock-A-Homa

January 2nd, 2013
3:51 pm

Bring ME back!

BTW – @braveone 3:23 p.m. – seriously?!

chipl1960

January 2nd, 2013
3:52 pm

have the Mets and Marlins as laughingstocks already. no worries about that.

Cliff Fiscal

January 2nd, 2013
3:52 pm

I am so out of the loop now when it come to music. That wasn’t the case back in the 80’s when I was into the Athens music scene and also enjoyed a particular band called Winter Hours (combined the best of REM’s jangly rock/ alt-country/Jim Morrison-sounding singer). At least I listen to Alejandro Escoveda sometimes.

ncscoots

January 2nd, 2013
3:52 pm

I guess my point is, don’t upset the apple cart.

Oh, man, screw that. That’s not a good enough reason to do one or the other. The path of least resistance leads only to an ethical abyss.

One-Eyed Mac

January 2nd, 2013
3:54 pm

How come anytime someone has a disparity in home/road splits, it’s just assumed he can’t hit outside the park that is currently his home ballpark. Maybe the guy just likes being at home with his family and sleeping in his own bed.

Juan

January 2nd, 2013
3:55 pm

History Fact:

Notice the Braves Logo with the Mohawk cut is from a “Mohawk” Indian tribe.
Their territory ranged to present-day southern Quebec and eastern Ontario.
For that their not Native American

jmart1951

January 2nd, 2013
3:56 pm

Sorry…. Pitching staff of Medlin or Minor (one not chosen), Maholm, Hudson and Tehren

single white dove

January 2nd, 2013
3:56 pm

VaBravesFan

January 2nd, 2013
2:59 pm
Wren doesn’t have enough prospect talent to even get the Marlins talking, even if he was willing to unload the farm it wouldn’t be enough. Now the DBacks and Justin Upton are a different story, we have enough to get him I think, problem is Wren doesn’t wanna hurt our already bad farm unless he can totally screw someone like he did with the Astro’s.

Mike Stanton would be sweet, if we got him.

Voice of Reason

January 2nd, 2013
3:56 pm

In reading the Denver Post, I see that the Rockies are in need of starting pitching. They supposedly offered Fowler for Minor, but the Braves turned that down. (that was a good decision by Mr. Wren IMHO) But they still have Mike Cuddyer on their roster and are looking at him as a part-time OF & 1B – I think his bat, savvy, leadership, and skills would fit very well in LF for the Braves and if offering either Delgado or Vizcaino, as well as a AAA position player, that might do the trick. It looks like the Rockies were hoping that they would get a FA to fill pitching needs but now are more open to trade for prospects to fill out their staff. What have you heard, DOB?

coachx

January 2nd, 2013
3:56 pm

This just in.
The Dog Whispers says Bulldogs are pissed off about being exploited as mean mascots !
The Bird Whisper says Hawks, Falcons, Eagles, Cardinals, and Owls feel the same way.
The Fish Whisperer also says Dolphins, Sharks, and Rays are OK with being mascots but feel they should be compensated. They request a lifetime supply of food of their own chosing.

raleighbravefan

January 2nd, 2013
3:56 pm

nolie – Way to go, Buddy. You even beat out TOBF for the year (a Herculian Task), even in spite of periods of illness, and even a brief, undeserved banning period. Well done, my (retired) friend.

JK

January 2nd, 2013
3:57 pm

Great logo. You can’t please everyone. Nothing pleases everyone. I say make shirts with the logo as well.

DAP

January 2nd, 2013
3:58 pm

is “el oso blanco” racist and offensive, or is it ok since its in spanish and about a white guy? just curious about where the tolerance threshold is for this stuff…

Murph

January 2nd, 2013
3:58 pm

What about people who hail from pirate ancestry? Have you seen that thing that parades around their stadium? WTF is that all about? Not the parrot, but the other one. I noticed that they gave him yellow skin… because it has scurvy? So now you’re mocking people with scurvy??

Or the Padres friar mascot… I once saw him and the Philly Phanatic do something between innings that would have started a war in the olden days. Yet people don’t seem to have a problem with a man of the cloth parading around the field, dry-humping a giant green alien?

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