8:35 pm December 18, 2012, by David O'Brien
December 31st, 20124:39 pm
Didn’t say anything about better. But Freeman over the next 10 years can be better than LaRoche and whomever we use when he is done in 3 years or so
December 31st, 20124:42 pm
Chocolate beer is basically a dark stout with dark chocolate brewed into it. It’s excellent
Only reason I’d see to go after LaRoche is if we included Freeman in a stanton deal… and even then, it may not be necessary to get him… Mejia/Terdo could do well. LaRoche is already 33.
LaRoche may be better the next 2 years, and I’d expect that, but we can control Freeman for 4 more, and possibly 6-7 if he signs a “cheap” extension.
Though I will say, I think he’s pretty close to his peak… he’ll do a bit better, but I think he’s a .810-.830 guy. He was right around .800 the last 2 years.
And for defense, well, just any 1B worth their salt can scoop… his range though, isn’t all that great. Adequate, but not great.
December 31st, 20124:44 pm
cab – I’ll give it a try if I can remember it the next time I’m at the beverage center. You steered me right on that Blue Moon.
george enjoy your time here. will not be long before you are banned. Just guessing butI’m sure David is at his most jovial and compassionate to your kind while on vacation but I can see his patience is wearing thin. As I have said before, better to keep quiet and be thought an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Also, I really don’t think that package (or just about any other one that any team can put together, barring a few notable names) would even interest the Marlins. I do not believe they are interested in trading Stanton at all
December 31st, 20124:45 pm
The Young’s Double Chocolate Stout is my favorite- there are a few others, but that one is the best
December 31st, 20124:48 pm
cab – Is that something I can get locally, or is that one of your micro-breweries?
December 31st, 20124:49 pm
You can probably find it locally- I think VJ got it at Total Wine, but perhaps BevMo would carry it. It’s from the UK so it may be under imported beers
December 31st, 20124:50 pm
Yes, BevMo carries it
December 31st, 20124:51 pm
OK, that sounds like my place should carry it.
Sam Adams has a great chocolate stout also, but it is seasonal and may not be available anymore
LaRoche 33HR 100 RBI .271/.343/.510/.853
Freeman 23HR 94 RBI .259/.340/.456/.796
LaRoche easily is the best defensive 1B.
December 31st, 20124:52 pm
No need to worry about trading Freeman or signing La Roche – they were discussing the potential trade of SRtanton on XM Home Plate today and the Braves were not even on the list of teams to enquire – Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs – the usual suspects. No Braves. Didn’t hear the Phillies or Nats mentioned, either.
December 31st, 20124:53 pm
And the Red Sox are going to give Roach his third year – been all over the news up here in Red Sox land.
December 31st, 20124:54 pm
You add LaRoche to the Braves and take him away from the Nats and it’s about 3 or 4 games in the standings.
I always liked LaRoche and hated to see him not in a Braves’ uniform, any longer. However, my only concern with him now, and as compared to Freeman, is age.
Freeman is aging into his prime… LaRoche is going the other way.
December 31st, 20124:57 pm
No need to worry about trading Freeman or signing La Roche – they were discussing the potential trade of SRtanton on XM Home Plate today and the Braves were not even on the list of teams to enquire –
You could say that about 90% of the trades proposed on the blog.
Besides – IF they traded Freeman (not going to happen), they would NOT sign LaRoche anyway. Why should they when they can just insert Mejia there and be done with it for the MLB minimum and six years of control at little cash?
December 31st, 20124:58 pm
Because they would not risk depending on a player the whole year who has Zero PA’s in MLB that’s why.
key largo – Yes, you could – and getting Stanton is about as likely as us signing Greinke or Josh Hamilton. Zero %.
December 31st, 20125:00 pm
Apparently we can’t even put together an acceptable (by both sides) package to obtain Fpowler from the Rockies. I’m not seeing any package we put together as being acceptable to both teams to get Stanton.
We did not have the money to sign Greinke or Hamilton. Not the case with Stanton. It’s just if they are willing to give up a player package large enough.
December 31st, 20125:01 pm
key largo – Yeah, you’re right – that has never happened with the Braves’ current FO, has it?
December 31st, 20125:03 pm
GT 21 – USC 7 in the 4th quarter. GO TECH maybe the only time you’ll hear that from me.
December 31st, 20125:05 pm
You keep FREEMAN over LaROCHE because he’s cheaper the next three years irrespective of the results on the field.
They aren’t willing, nor do they have a package that would actually convince the Marlins to part with Stanton. Like I said – they couldn’t even work a deal for Fowler – you think they even have the resources to sign Stanton?
And yes, I realize that signing Grienke and Hamilton didn’t happen (and shouldn’t have) because of money – however, the liklihhod of us acquiring him is about the same – it ain’t happening.
It’s not just the Braves willing to give up a package- it’s the Marlins wanting what we have to offer, and I don’t think we, or just about any other team, would be able to put together a package that would cause the Marlins to be excited enough to deal him. Freeman as a headliner is not going to cut it
December 31st, 20125:06 pm
Yeah, we’ve never made any trades with the Marlins.
December 31st, 20125:09 pm
Not sure what this has to do with anything?
they couldn’t even work a deal for Fowler – you think they even have the resources to sign Stanton?
Here’s your problem Lew. I never said anything about signing Stanton. He can not be a free agent until 2017.
December 31st, 20125:11 pm
Freeman is on the rise and LaRoche will be on the decline and at some point Freeman’s numbers will soar above a declining LaRoches numbers.
December 31st, 20125:13 pm
Cream was great; one of the best and their sound, at the time, was very innovative. In fact, no group has sounded like that since. One of my favorite rock groups of all time.
..Britney Spears??? Are you serious?
Yes, we have – Uggla.
What I meant – in total sarcasm mode – was that the Braves’ FO has started Heyward, Pastornicky, Simmons and likely a few I’m not even thinking of at the moment without any prior MLB experience. They’d run Mejia out there in a heartbeat before signing LaRoche, who not only is already 33, but would command $14-16 mil a year.
Uggla for Dunn and Infante?
Wilson – but not next year. Are we playing for 2013 or 2017?
December 31st, 20125:14 pm
Freeman, the .796 OPS (.450) guy headlining a deal for a .900 (.500+ SLG) OPS guy.
and both have the same amount of control.
Tee hee! Maybe the Marlins would be stupid enough to make a trade like that, I mean, they did give us Uggla on a platter, but… can’t see that happening now, too many teams will be interested.
December 31st, 20125:15 pm
key largo – . You know damned well what I meant. Singed, traded for – whatever. Take your head out of your ^^$.
his stint in AAA shows his defense sucks. terdo already has a major league ready bat, just fits much better as a dh. should be a good trade chip to a team who needs a middle of the order bat for a long time and doesn’t mind a work in progress defensively at 1st or 3rd.
December 31st, 20125:16 pm
I never said to trade Freeman by the way. You whiners will make up sh!T to continue to argue.
LaRoche .246 26 HR
Freeman .289 32 HR
My guess is just as good as yours and just because I or you say it doesn’t make it so.
December 31st, 20125:17 pm
will soar above a declining LaRoches numbers.
A ways out anyway… I still see LaRoche as a guy who gives you .850 + OPS, over .500 SLG the next 2-3 years at least, which would be the length of a contract we give him. Can’t see Freeman doing that. Now, longterm, years 4-7, Freeman is a better option in his prime, than having to find another 1B to replace LaRoche. I wouldn’t say that Freeman will soar past LaRoche; he’ll be a good, .810-.830 OPS guy. 20-25 HR
December 31st, 20125:18 pm
No I don’t know what you meant Lew. If you can’t make yourself clear, STFU.
I’m heading out to have happy hour in Sarasota ad catch up to you drunk asses
December 31st, 20125:19 pm
Unload Uggla now! Whatever it takes! Another Frank Wren deal gone bad.
December 31st, 20125:20 pm
Terdoslavich at 3rd… funny. I don’t think he’s got the agility to play there, and too bulky for LF. He’s a 1B, unfortunately
December 31st, 20125:21 pm
key largo – How about this for clarity – Put a hand on each butt cheek, push while pulling and when you hear a pop, you know you’ve succeeded in extricating your head from your intestinal tract.
Excuse me – extracting. Just enjoy the sunshine for a change.
Going over the cliff, smaller paychecks and likely have to wait twice as long to receive our tax refund, This sucks.
Lew whats the FB invite thing? I’ve had it with the idiots on here. You can’t discuss music or baseball with people who have no brain. I don’t see how DOB does it. Its amazing how freely folks display their ignorance. Sad, actually.
December 31st, 20125:22 pm
Greg Walker believes Freeman will battle for a batting title in 2013-2014. I’m more comfortable with his opinion. Your better at doing character assassination of Schafer while lusting after druggy Hamilton
December 31st, 20125:23 pm
chip – Email me and I’ll set you up.
December 31st, 20125:24 pm
32 HR from Freddie, eh? And LaRoche hitting .246 when he’s never hit under .259 for a full season… what’s his OBP gonna be?
Much too easy there.. under on the HR for Freddie, avg, you may be right. Over on both the HR and avg. for LaRoche, and I think he will be better, at least next year.
December 31st, 20125:25 pm
Pretty bad when there is talk of trading Freddie Freeman on here. We need a new rumor or something lol Guess we can field offers for Jason Heyward also and receive a franchise altering package lol…
December 31st, 20125:26 pm
terdo already has a major league ready bat, just fits much better as a dh. should be a good trade chip to a team who needs a middle of the order bat for a long time and doesn’t mind a work in progress defensively at 1st or 3rd.
Really? You and some others here must be reading different scouting reports than me. I can’t find anyone who ranks him as a top 10 prospect in our relatively weak system. Because a guy raked for half a season at AA at 23 years old does not make him major league ready.
I hope he works out and have nothing against him. Have seen him play here in Jax a few times. But there’s some serious prospect delirium going on here, IMO.
December 31st, 20125:28 pm
cool. thanks. I got off FB a while back cause I didn’t see the need but now…………I trust you weed out the neer do wells and knuckleheads.
December 31st, 20125:29 pm
It’s so funny that none of the whiny b!itches mentioned any players from the Braves I proposed trading to the Marlins, only Freeman who I didn’t. That’s how bad they want to argue – that they make up stuff.
December 31st, 20125:30 pm
chip – Well, so far, anyway. Of course TOBF is there – but he’s just vaguely irritating at times.
Tech has this game in the bag. Lane Kiffen really made a good career move getting out of the SEC.
But we have hopes he’ll grow out of it.
December 31st, 20125:32 pm
I’ll be in touch. Thank you.
I think Max Wittek just played his way out of the starting job next year…sigh
December 31st, 20125:34 pm
He has not been impressive. It is not like Tech brought a top ranked D to town
December 31st, 20125:35 pm
Keiffer is a slime
He’s been awful. It might be a good idea to keep Robert Woods far away from him after this one
December 31st, 20125:36 pm
Auto replace!!!!!! Kiffen is a slime
December 31st, 20125:37 pm
December 31st, 20125:42 pm
From Talking Chop…
The Skinny: After a monster 2011 with Lynchburg he jumped all the way up to Gwinnett and moved from first base to third base. Struggled both offensively and defensively with the G-Braves, leading to a demotion to Mississippi and a move back to first base. After settling in, he finished with great offensive numbers for the M-Braves.
The Good: Absolute wrecker at the plate. Doubles machine with the potential for over the wall power. Contact had been a concern, but he improved his batting average from High A to AA.
The Bad: Poor defender no matter where he plays. Hard hand and a poor throwing motion. Remains to be seen if he could play in the outfield. Slow runner.
…in a perfect world…the Braves are suddenly allowed to use the DH and Terdoslavich begins 2013 in the Majors. Since that’s unlikely to happen…in a perfect world…Terdoslavich finds a defensive home and becomes a great Major Leaguer whose outstanding bat more than makes up for any of his defensive failings.
ETA: 2013. His bat is ready now, it’s his defense that’s holding him back. He’ll take another crack at AAA Gwinnett in 2013, though it’s still not clear what position he’ll be playing.
December 31st, 20125:43 pm
Tech showed no defense all year… this is surprising to me
December 31st, 20125:47 pm
4 Personal Fouls in the last 90 seconds for GT. Those 4 players must total 300 points on the IQ tests.
December 31st, 20125:49 pm
Not sure how Terdo’s bat is “ready” when he was completely overmatched in AAA.
December 31st, 20125:50 pm
I can’t find anyone who ranks him as a top 10 prospect in our relatively weak system. Because a guy raked for half a season at AA at 23 years old does not make him major league ready.,,,MikeFka
December 31st, 20125:52 pm
because he was rushed and had to learn a new position at the same time…. I think that was a mistake. Rebounded quite nicely at AA, when at his natural position
December 31st, 20125:53 pm
not sure that Talking Chop has any more reliability than Shanks much of the time
I would not rely all that much just cause they say something
December 31st, 20125:55 pm
Who authored that “Chop Talk” article?
December 31st, 20125:56 pm
Sorry… “Talking Chop”
December 31st, 20126:00 pm
I think Freeman is better than his numbers last year demonstrated just because of the weird eye thing. If he doesn’t have that contributing a bunch of ofers in the middle of his season, he’s hitting around .280 again, which would have put him in the low to mid .800s for OPS. He’s got more potential power, too…
December 31st, 20126:01 pm
Not sure why I felt compelled to post that. I guess because it’s a blog.
Happy New Year, guys.
December 31st, 20126:02 pm
Yeah, how can you say a player’s bat is ready for the majors when he couldn’t hit AAA pitching? That’s just kind of weird, man.
December 31st, 20126:03 pm
at this point I would definitely take Freeman over Roachy all things considered
December 31st, 20126:08 pm
Evan Gattis being considered a top 10 prospect for us says it all. Plus we had what 7 pitchers in that list? We just don’t have much at all for position player prospects. My top 2 would be Christian Bethancourt and Nick Ahmed as of right now.
December 31st, 20126:09 pm
… and one of those things that are considered is the fact that Freeman’ll make about 1/20th what Roche will in the next 3 years…
December 31st, 20126:10 pm
Well considering that he was rushed there after A+, moved to 3B in an attempt to make him become Chipper’s heir…. and then went back to his usual hitting ability when moved to the level he should have been at, and playing 1B, he did very well. He hit quite well at AA, I don’t see why he isn’t considered to be right at the door…
December 31st, 20126:12 pm
I know we should be taking the best available player in drafts in baseball, but Wren and company should seriously look for some offense on the next draft. It should be priority.
December 31st, 20126:13 pm
more power in Freddie? Eh, I dunno… 20-25 is where I’ve read he will be, don’t see much more thickening out for him to do… I see him being about what he is now… .275/.340/.470/.810.
Maybe getting close, TOBF, but that was a pretty rosy portrayal of the Terd’s bat by Mr. Wilkins. I guess that’s his job, though.
December 31st, 20126:14 pm
because he stank in AAA, that’s why. outside of the Braves he is considered a sub at the best, he is gonna hafta show something this year in AAA, enough to make up for his limited defensive ability and versatility
December 31st, 20126:15 pm
Freeman will get close to 30 this season if he stays healthy in body and eyes
December 31st, 20126:16 pm
I bet he’ll have at least a couple or three of 30+ seasons if he doesn’t get hurt. That’s always the big “if” though.
December 31st, 20126:18 pm
Weird Freeman 2012 stat: he led the NL in sac flies with 9. Whaddyahknow?!
December 31st, 20126:20 pm
Freeman is our 1st baseman, and if Terdo can’t make a transition to 3rd base and maintain his hitting he’s not ready and not knocking on the door. If he’s so MLB ready with the bat wouldn’t some other teams be interested in trading for him? The dude will likely never play for the Atlanta Braves.
December 31st, 20126:22 pm
Unless we’re getting Upton or some stud pitcher like Price, etc… this is a guy you keep. Lots of speed, good bat, leadoff potential… can play all over the IF. Would be awesome to see him up sometime this season
December 31st, 20126:26 pm
Would be awesome to see him up sometime this season,,,TOBF
NO it would not. what would be awesome would be to see him continue his climb through the minors developing his hitting skills more rather than sit on the damn bench most of the time. I never saw a place that was so damn hungry to bring players up and derail their improvements
December 31st, 20126:30 pm
Preseason Number One USC hahahahaha.
Can’t even beat a Tech team with a losing record.
Instant Karma gonna get you, Instant Karma gonna get you.
Deep Purple and Rush make sense for the RR HOF, but Randy Newman — No.
As for the stupid Sex Pistols those SOB’s were ungrateful and indifferent to the honor. They started something new but did not last.
Longevity should have something to do with it — I know punk rock had its following in the late 70’s and was the building block for alternative but the Pistols come on what did they ever release after Never Mind the Bollocks.
Actually I did like the album but Johnny Rotten was always jerky.
One album does not make a HOFer.
It would be awesome if Ahmed could be a Martin Prado type MLB player down he line. I really believe that with Bethancourt and Ahmed we have two sure-fire MLB players who will atleast be good bench players with there current skills and tools.
December 31st, 20126:31 pm
Classic lines right now on spike TV. “The force is with you young Skywalker but you are not a Jedi yet”
Soon to be followed by I am your father. Still remember seeing it for the first time
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