8:35 pm December 18, 2012, by David O'Brien
December 30th, 201211:15 am
Mark Lamm and David Hale for Dejesus would be fair, if they go that route… 2 decent pitchers for the Cubs.
A lefty to hit leadoff for us, doesn’t K a ton. Not a sparkly move, but it’d be a decent one. .350 OBP guy, better against lefties in his career than Bourn, and a .292/.367/.449/.816 career line against RHP. It may be better to give Gattis or Cunningham a shot, but with Dejesus, we know what we will be getting. And it shouldn’t be hard to trade him if Gattis or Cunningham show that they’re ready.
Dejesus, Prado, Heyward, Upton, Freeman, Uggla, McCann, Simmons
L/R all the way down, 2 high OBP guys to start it off. Then comes the thunder.
Lew; I’m anxious as anyone for wren to pull the trigger on more deals, & that’s why folks like ya’ll keep things in perspective, sometimes stay’n put may be the wisest decision for Frank, when everybody around us spends, & overspends like crazy. I get envious or jealous of the Dodgers when hearing stan kasten, or the Dodger GM come on MLB network say’n we got all kinds of money to spend, we’re gonna do what it takes to get that trophy, but then, like it happened after all the moves they made toward the Deadline, or the Big awesome moves the Angels make that now there declared again offseason to be noted as early favorites & probably rightfully so, but it does give me a good LOL when they don’t make it as far as they planned. Hmm, I guess wren’s trying to be frugal & wise w/ the allotment allowed.
December 30th, 201211:18 am
Lots of straw grasping going on these days. If we can’t make a deal that makes us considerably stronger, then why even bother.
TOBF – Dude, you are perhaps aware that Choo is not and has not been available throughout your several day rant (of course, big surpirse you making a meaningless, extended rant about one of your player crushes). Not sure just WTF your point is if not just attempting to appear superior in your baseball knowledge. Of course, you tend to miss the forest for the decaying pine needles on the forest floor…………… But what’s new there?
We were supposed to get 2 premium outfielders…. still waiting for the 1st one. I’ll just accept a decent OF now…. still waiting…
December 30th, 201211:20 am
Our platoon could be quite effective, I’m just discussing other routes is all. I’m not against the platoon/inhouse options.
74BRaves – Like I said – nothing wrong with DeJesus – but he’s the type of player that we could pick up later in the year IF we really need him – and I’m far from certain that he’d be vaguely indispensible to the Braves lineup.
December 30th, 201211:21 am
I know he’s not available now, but for you to have said this…
Maybe not useless, but having to give up likely six or more years of control of players to get him for a single year? Just not worth it – especially when we have options (even though in a platoon) that can replicate or exceed those numbers against both LHP and RHP.
was totally wrong. Not even close man.
December 30th, 201211:23 am
BJ Upton is a premium outfielder at this point. When the offseason began I didn’t view him as one tho. Take every single factor into account and he’s premium. How many players can hit 25+ HR and steal 35+ SB? Also factor in he was the youngest notable free agent CF. If Wren didn’t sign BJ Upton…. We’d likely have in house option at LF still and our Centerfielder would be Ben Revere or Denard Span… Or it would possibly force Wren’s hand to overpay for a player big time.
You just can’t use a team’s winning % in baseball to judge a player. That’s just nonsense. I guess Ernie Banks was overrated, eh? Save that one for NFL QBs, not LFs on rebuilding squads.
I’m not enthused at all w/the thought of going into the season w/the current platoons that are being bandied about internally. I want no part of Juan being in there. We already have a steady breeze coming out of Turner Field thanks to the surplus of whiffs in the lineup…no need for more.
The conversation is valid ’cause obviously Frank is looking at Scott Hairston.
December 30th, 201211:25 am
TOBF – If you keep parsing every word Wren utters, then you’re bound to be disappointed at all times – especially since premium to you means whoever you have a thing about at any given time.
Had it been up to you, we’d have Bourjos and Greinke right now and only would have traded Maholm, O’Flaherty, Teheran, Delgado, Gilmartin, all of our AA team and everyone else you don’t hold in esteem. And – of course – you would have non tendered Hanson cause he’s not worth any return.
December 30th, 201211:26 am
But our Class A team would be well stocked, right?
December 30th, 201211:27 am
Poor little petulant child…
December 30th, 201211:28 am
Gotcha’ Lew; & I’m observing the points made (by ya’ll) & are very valid, it’s like family hashing out points & disagreements over the dinner table. Ya’ll are a Blogg’n fraternity here.
Wren brought in a Free Agent (BJ) that would very likely provide good value throughout the entire contract length. Upton will only be 33 years on in the final year. I love the move now after seeing how the market went and seeing the contracts players have signed. I honestly believe out of all the contracts signed this offseason the Braves got the best deal. Just about all of other options will be paid a ton of money into there mid-later 30s. By the time Upton shows some decline in athletic ability and skills he’ll be on his way out of Atlanta.
December 30th, 201211:30 am
December 30th, 201211:33 am
Bourjos and Swisher… still coulda gone after BJ Upton, if he wanted. Maholm only traded if we get Greinke, and he+Teheran could probably have gathered a good LF. Hanson+ coulda gotten Bourjos and Walden maybe (and I’m still surprised that he was moved as early as he was… right on the deadline for non-tendering, hmm)
But I don’t feel like going over that ish again
While BJ might not be the most productive out of these free agents in 2013 and 14, I bet he’s provides more overall value for the following 3 years. Were getting Upton during his prime years of 28 to 32 years old. He could easily have his best season of his career with the Atlanta Braves at some point.
December 30th, 201211:36 am
TOBF – “Sigh”
Ahhh, you understand how we feel when dealing with you.
December 30th, 201211:38 am
I’m really looking forward to BJ posting a .393 BABIP and getting back to his 2007 numbers again….
.240/.310/.450/.760 25HR, just below avg. defense in CF— Screams premium to me, and a cleanup hitter. Yep yep
December 30th, 201211:39 am
Wren is interested in Scott Hairston cause he’s a upgrade over Reed Johnson in the platoon, atleast Slugging wise. It would add alot of depth. But it also indicates that the Braves don’t view Gattis as someone they wanna give a shot. If you sign Scott Hairston for 2/6 or 2/8… You have to give em playing time. To me Gattis will be stuck in AAA to start the year. He’ll only get a shot if our Francisco/Reed/Hairston? platoon fail.
December 30th, 201211:44 am
BJ will finally have the change of scenery and will be surrounded by much better hitters in my opinion. Maybe he will sacrifice some power to make more contact and take more walks. The guy has the skills and tools to be much better. He’s a Atlanta Brave now! Support him! Root for him! I know I am! Him and his brother are from Norfolk, VA which is minutes from me. Always been a fan of em.
December 30th, 201211:46 am
VaBravesFan: “…cause he’s a upgrade over Reed Johnson in the platoon, at least Slugging wise…”
True but Reed is a huge upgrade in OBP. Do we not have enough sluggers in the lineup? Don’t we need table-setters to be on base when these home runs take place?
We need more guys on base at this point ’cause we didn’t acquire that type of player with Upton.
December 30th, 201211:48 am
Reed Johnson is better suited in a pure 4th OFer role where he’s available on the bench every night.
December 30th, 201211:52 am
The dialogue made, the assesments of the “what If’s”, the why’s or why not’s, to agree, to disagree, to disagree to agree(made that statement backwards), Heh! I believe somewhere, sometimes, somehow, wren or a scout member, or a member of his staff probably peeks in on these dialogues from time to time, along w/ peeking in the twitter’n world, or whatever technological communication option there is to see what the fans assessment is on the moves made or potential moves considered, ya think? Naaahhhh, probably not given no attention to but who knows. They say they value the opinions of the fan base, but said most likely out of appeasement, eh?
I’m rooting for him…. just not expecting much
December 30th, 201211:54 am
And we’re looking forward to you going off to school and not having the time to lead the world in blog posts about who your player du jour happens to be.
December 30th, 201211:57 am
Reed Johnson career vs. LH starters: .302 avg., .362 OBP, .450 SLG.
The numbers say he’s the IDEAL platoon OF.
December 30th, 201212:03 pm
2012 Season for Reed Johnson
Starter…..269 AVG 692 OPS
Sub………361 AVG 882 OPS
PH………..419 AVG 991 OPS
No better said TOBF!(11:52 post) No better said, I agree to that, sometimes I wish to expect more. Wasn’t after the season was over, He said he was really going to be AGGRESIVE this off season, He probably was, but the results differed than was planned, He probably was aggressive, I’m sure went hard for certain names on the list, & he did say the asking price or prices we’re too steep. I commend him for not giving in. Like it’s been said over & over, No moves are the best or wise considerin’ what’s on the market. I’m fired up about what could be.
will Todd Cunningham have a realistic chance of winning the LF job out of ST?
Marlins will listen to offers for Giancarlo Stanton.
Remember talks of retraction in MLB? They need to resume with the Marlins franchise.
December 30th, 201212:06 pm
Todd Cunningham has zero chance. I honestly believe they have Jose Constanza and Jordan Schafer ahead of Cunningham if we need to call on other options.
VaBF; Glad we got him;(Johnson), The dudes blue collar(like Prado) He’s got heart, willin’ to do whatever asked of em’.
December 30th, 201212:07 pm
VaBraves: Talk about cherry-picking stats to make your point…..
Why are you using overall stats for Reed? You know as well as I do that the discussion is as a platoon LF, not everyday.
2012: .298/.344/.421 vs. LH Starters.
2012: .311/.354/.444 vs. LH overall.
DAY 13 BLOGGERS HELD HOSTAGE.
Marlins will listen on Stanton… Freeman/Teheran/++… Meija at 1B.
I know, I know… not gonna happen.
Hah! He doesn’t strike out enough for the Braves… and his OBP in the minors is too god
December 30th, 201212:08 pm
Joey G; Hope Cunningham will be given a fair ample “Look see” this spring as well,
December 30th, 201212:09 pm
But imo, he should be the 5th OF for us… 1st guy to get the call if we need an extra OF. Schafer’s no good, Georgie isn’t all that great either. Those 2 have already had their chances, Todd hasn’t yet.
btw, is Schafer out of options? And Georgie should have 1 left? Oh, how I’d love to lose Jordan to some other team on waivers
December 30th, 201212:10 pm
Heath; It would Blow everybody away if it did, Dang, I would flip out.
Here are a few more stats for ya on Reed Johnson:
1st batter of the game: .375/.400/.583
1st batter of the inning: .344/.385/.500
December 30th, 201212:12 pm
I just think Reed is better suited in a pure backup role, still a sound option vs LHP, but that leaves the bench weaker than you’d like. Not arguing, just discussing options.
Couch Tater @ 7:49 am: “the 70’s are over face it.”
“Yeah, but the tunes help to reinforce memories. The music genre doesn’t really matter.”
Thanks for saying this. I was disgusted at Disgusted, because I was commenting on the fact that I believe Chicago and The Doobie Brothers should be considered for the R&R Hall of Fame based on their longevity and they are still making good music today…I wasn’t waxing nostalgic over the 70’s as he (or she) supposed.
December 30th, 201212:13 pm
Dan Jennings Marlins AGM told us they will listen to all offers on Giancarlo Stanton but they’re not shopping him and don’t want to move him
That’s the entire comment from the Marlins about Stanton, before anyone gets too excited
December 30th, 201212:16 pm
VaBraves: Just pointing out that the prototypical fit for the Braves in LF if they choose to go the platoon route is already in house. Sign a bench guy or let Mejia be your righty off the bench. Or leave Reed on the bench and let Gattis be your guy vs. LH.
Just don’t blow money on Scott Hairston, especially on a multi-year deal.
But this team needs an OBP guy in LF.
December 30th, 201212:18 pm
I WOULD say that there’s no use speculating what it would take to get Stanton…..but then there’s that trade for Uggla that Wren pulled off. (and I don’t care how he’s struggled since, that was a gem of a deal)
December 30th, 201212:26 pm
Where’s Nolie? Hope he is not in bozoland again.
December 30th, 201212:28 pm
Just saying for the Stanton talk…
It would take a top pitching, infielder, and outfielder prospects just to get talks started. They’d want 3 blue chip prospects along with others.
Rangers offer SS Jurickson Profar, 3B Mike Olt, and LHP Martin Perez….then talks can actually begin regarding who else has to be added. I would assume they’d want Jorge Alfaro included.. They would also want a player who can replace Stanton in there outfield right away.
Profar, Olt, Perez, Alfaro, Gentry, and Leonys Martin would likely have to be the offer for the Marlins to strongly consider moving Stanton…
December 30th, 201212:30 pm
nolie was here yesterday…
December 30th, 201212:31 pm
You guys just blow me away, I’m always agreeing w/ each of ya’ll (just about), even when ya’ll disagree w/ each other, Ya’ll make very valid points in you’re debates. I, LOL, ain’t worth crap to that, I’ll just keep observin’ here, then draw up conclusions soon. Ya’ll have a good new years, hope you’re nfl teams do well, I’ll be root’n for the birds of the ATL, but can’t wait for the skins & Cowboy game later. Other key matchups slated as well. Selah!
December 30th, 201212:34 pm
Efrim is the prospect guru here on the ole blog, I’m sure he would likely agree with my trade assessment for Stanton who has yet to reach ARB and has 4 years of control. I really believe Stanton has more pure power than anyone in baseball.
December 30th, 201212:35 pm
I don’t have any illusions of gradeur that Stanton would end up with the Braves… but Freeman/Teheran/Ahmed is a damn good haul for the Fish.
December 30th, 201212:37 pm
I really believe Stanton has more pure power than anyone in baseball.
Better than Heyward! He has some OBP! lol
Birds ain’t got much to play for today…. just the unblemished home record I guess, and the Bucs should be easy.
I’ll be saving my energy for those Skins tonight!
December 30th, 201212:39 pm
well, we traded a utility infielder and wild relief pitcher for a power 2B…
a utility OF like Cunningham/Constanza, a relief pitcher like Jaime, a power bat for 3B for them in Juan, and Teheran for the extra 3 years of control that Uggla didn’t have.
Maybe the Marlins are dumb enough to do that LOL
December 30th, 201212:40 pm
Stanton has more power than Heyward, but Heyward is a better overall hitter and defender. Kieth Law has even made a statement like this as well and said he’d rather have JHey instead of Stanton still. But Stanton easily can be the most powerful RH bat in baseball for the next 10 years.
December 30th, 201212:42 pm
Chop up 5 people with a machete and then come back to MLB?
December 30th, 201212:44 pm
Stanton’s trade value is massive! The longer they wait to trade him the lower it will go, but it wont change much from now to even next offseason. Players of this caliber are never traded, why its hard to gauge what type of package it would take to get him. It would certainly take a more impressive offer than the one we gave up for Texiera. I really think it would take what I posted above.
Profar, Olt, Perez, Alfaro, Martin, and Gentry.
December 30th, 20121:25 pm
“…….Then comes the thunder.”
Huh? We don’t have what you can classify as Murderers Row. Did I miss something?
Also, this blog resembles something you’d find on a match.com blog.
December 30th, 20122:00 pm
y’all really think they are gonna jump Cunningham over AAA to sit on the bench up here?
December 30th, 20122:06 pm
nothing wrong with nostalgia-ing for the 70s if you were ken. Studies show that the music we hear in our teens as we are breaking away from our parent’s tastes and into out peer’s is for most folks always the most meaningful
so leave if it displeases you MP
December 30th, 20122:16 pm
Match.com? Because…how exactly??? I’m confused
December 30th, 20122:19 pm
Peyton Manning Comeback Player of the Year… and MVP?
December 30th, 20122:51 pm
Anyone see the miniseries Hatfields and McCoys with Kevin Costner and Bill Paxton? Looks intriguing. Was thinking about adding it to the Netflix queue andw was hoping for some reviews…
December 30th, 20122:56 pm
Another way for the Braves to pick up a few more wins this season is to actually come to play on Mondays.
December 30th, 20123:20 pm
Hello everyone! Braves will more likely keep Cunningham in AAA for a full year. They will probably not rush him. As much as I like Cunningham, he needs to stay, and develope.
December 30th, 20123:22 pm
TOBF – Is there anyone you like on the Braves? You seem to crap on all the players, and say they suck! Plus, your trade ideas are crazy, because the Braves will never do it!!!!! Relax my friend…..
December 30th, 20123:24 pm
Heath: Hatfields and McCoys was outstanding with some great acting and an excellent story. It should win a few awards.
December 30th, 20123:25 pm
All, I’ll talk later, and enjoy life……Peace my friends, and “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!”
December 30th, 20123:26 pm
nolie, I was mainly yanking Disgusted’s chain because he missed my point entirely, but that’s the norm for him. I love 70’s music and still listen to it a lot.
December 30th, 20123:27 pm
Scott Hairston is not a good career OBP guy, sub .300 with some pop.
The Johnson and whoever platoon might be better.
Reed Johnson is better than given credit for.
I say all our players sukk… yeah, right
December 30th, 20123:30 pm
Overall I give the off season a grade of “C”
Keeping Reed Johnson and the sign of BJ Upton saved it from being a p – poor off season.
I still don’t get the Laird sign — there was enough $$$$$$$$ to keep Ross for 2 more yrs. Ross might have given us a little hometown discount. Maybe we could have kept him for 2 yrs for 5.5 mil. He might have stayed what they saved on Laird for Ross was chump change.
Laird sucks. He has slipped some defensively too and he cannot hit.
Keeping Mc Cann was also a decent move so it has not been all bad.
December 30th, 20123:34 pm
Kenhotlanta — If you want to put the Doobies and Chicago in the RR HOF I have no argument with that.
I would put them there over some of what is in there. I did not know Chicago was not in the RR HOF — that is a snub.
Brittany Spears > Led Zepplin and the Allmans. I think the Allmans are overrated — dont think they were ever that great.
December 30th, 20123:35 pm
You would make a heck of a Angels fan that’s for sure. lol
God help U if you take my music posts seriously but the Allmans are really not my cup of tea.
December 30th, 20123:37 pm
Actually meant to say Dodger fan. Since they signed Grienke
December 30th, 20123:38 pm
luv The Allmans and all other Southern Rock
Marlins Will Listen On Giancarlo Stanton
By Zach Links [December 30 at 10:29am CST]
In the wake of the Marlins’ blockbuster deal with the Blue Jays, the Marlins publicly stated that they wouldn’t trade Giancarlo Stanton. Assistant General Manager Dan Jennings says that the club isn’t shopping the right fielder, but they will listen to all offers for him, according to Jim Bowden of SiriusXM (on Twitter).
Teams have been inquiring on Stanton ever since the Marlins shipped Jose Reyes, Mark Buehrle, and Josh Johnson to Toronto in November. Stanton was vocal about his displeasure with the Marlins’ front office after the trade and agent Joel Wolfe declined comment earlier this month when asked if his client had requested a trade.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#5csaLYxfqewm2Lkr.99
December 30th, 20123:43 pm
Hatfield and McCoys was pretty darn good
along somewhat the same lines, the movie LAWLESS about a 20s era feud is also pretty decent
December 30th, 20123:45 pm
no way the Braves have enough good prospects to beat out some other teams for Stanton
December 30th, 20123:46 pm
Marlins will listen to offers on Stanton… How about that OF? Upton, Heyward and Stanton??
December 30th, 20123:48 pm
Marlins would want a franchise changing package in return for Stanton. Like the one I post above.
December 30th, 20123:53 pm
Oh I know we won’t be in the running because A – The Marlins will probably have 3/4 of the MLB calling them and B – We don’t have the amount of prospects to trade that other teams do.
But a guy can dream can’t he?
December 30th, 20124:00 pm
Include Freeman for Stanton and sign LaRoche. Who came up with that idea on here?
Hypothetically speaking, if the Braves started the package with Freeman/Teheran/Ahmed/+ … the Marlins would be getting a lot just with those three. Freeman is young/cheap (under a lot of control) and already a bone fide MLB talent… I would think that package would be worth considering.
December 30th, 20124:06 pm
yeah it would be worth considering, but it would depend on what other teams want him and how much, because there are a number of teams that can offer more if they want to, and I’m guessing they would want to..plus would they want to trade him in the same division
nice dream though
December 30th, 20124:08 pm
I love Freeman, I mean I’m a huge Freeman guy. However I don’t hate the idea of including him in a package for Stanton, LaRoche would give us 30 HR 100 RBI and great defense. Bring Mejia in to back him up and be in line after LaRoche is gone. Stanton would be a crazy trade for the Braves
December 30th, 20124:16 pm
The Ranger’s have the goods to get Stanton or Upton.
December 30th, 20124:17 pm
Ok Frank, the blog has spoken. Get Stanton deal done
VA – then we’ll take the one they don’t get haha!
December 30th, 20124:18 pm
I do not really want Upton
December 30th, 20124:30 pm
In my opinion, it’s safe to assume that if the Braves don’t lock Prado up before season’s end he won’t be back… Talk about a culture change, first Bobby, then Chipper, and possibly McCann and Prado after this season….
December 30th, 20124:32 pm
making a lot of haters happy Va, with Bobby Chipper and McCann gone, I can think of a couple of Prado haters who would rejoice too
December 30th, 20124:39 pm
Sucks, really solid chance that Wren doesn’t get a contract done either, after this offseason…. Money is getting crazy.
December 30th, 20124:42 pm
not sure what you mean there Va
December 30th, 20124:45 pm
Of course the Marlins aren’t going to say they are shopping Stanton… #1 it weakens their negotiating power and #2 if they don’t deal him he’s even more unhappy in Miami than he already is. Why mess up his head unless they have a real deal for him? This makes trade suitors have to make an offer to “take him away” from the Marlins and then the Marlins can say they were made an offer they couldn’t pass up.
Freeman , Teheran , Ahmed , Pastornicky and Sprull might get it done. Then give LaRoche the 3 yr deal he wants . Weakens the Nats and the Braves are now the favorites to win the NL East. By the time Heyward, Simmons ,Medlen and Minor are free agents LaRoche’s contract will be over.
We would lose no defense at 1b and still have a LH power bat to complement Heyward for the next 3 years. Stanton, BJ and Uggla would give us a really balanced lineup and we should win more games against lefties.
December 30th, 20124:46 pm
With the way salaries and contracts have been this offseason it will be hard to lock Prado up to a deal thats good for the Braves still. If he was a free agent he’d easily get a 4 or 5 year deal around 12 million a year.
Lee in S GA
December 30th, 20125:27 pm
“Thanks for saying this. I was disgusted at Disgusted, because I was commenting on the fact that I believe Chicago and The Doobie Brothers should be considered for the R&R Hall of Fame based on their longevity and they are still making good music today…”
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