8:35 pm December 18, 2012, by David O'Brien
December 28th, 20121:48 am
Hello everyone! Been checking my sites, and found out Delmon Young, is still out there, and that could be a possibility, because Braves were very interested in him last season didn’t wan’t to give up anyone for him. Maybe at this year at the right price? Maybe Braves can sign him?
Heckuva lot better than pizzing off folks and then trying to splain to them later that you were joking. Emoticon’s, that is.
And when you WANT to stick in the knife and twist it a little, add in a little emoticon for fun.
December 28th, 20121:49 am
the fact it took you two guys an hour to teach me how to make a smiley face should be somewhat concerning.
December 28th, 20121:51 am
Even though things are thinning out in the market. Delmon Young, might not be a bad idea to look into.
you two guys were there.
December 28th, 20121:52 am
tom, now i am winking. that calls for one last beer.
December 28th, 20121:54 am
The uga, Tom and wayne show….good stuff!
December 28th, 20121:55 am
I’m not sure of Wayne’s estimate, but I thought we accomplished it in record speed. (colon & right parenthesis w/o spaces)
Who does that speak to? The teachers or the student?
Gotta go get these damned contact lenses out before I scratch my eyeballs out.
I’ve too wondered if the Braves might have any interest in Delmon Young. But can you imagine him in a Braves uni? Hard to see it.
Guy has some talent, if you could just get him to mature. But he ain’t all the special when you look at his career numbers. And he has been in decline the last 2 years. But on the plus side, he’s only 27 years old.
Nah, he doesn’t fit the mold.
wayne, too much overload for one night. feeling pretty good about the latest conquest.;)
December 28th, 20121:58 am
Ward (can’t leave you out)
I don’t think Wren is making any moves until he sees what he has in ST. However, I believe there could be one possible exception.
If the D-Backs were to come down on their price, Wren might want to make a trade for Upton – but ONLY if the price were right! (Ward, c’mon down!)
December 28th, 20122:00 am
skip space, uga… remember to skip a space
December 28th, 20122:01 am
thanks guys, that was educational.
December 28th, 20122:02 am
December 28th, 20122:03 am
You’re welcome, uga… and it was fun on our part, too. (colon and CAPITAL D)
DS1 & Tom – I think it could happen, because I remember Fredi, saying he would like to have Delmon Young, but in all fairness. I think Wren, will wait, as long as he can. I can Imagine Delmon Young, but it would have to be at the right price, and he would have to want to come over too.
it is a work in progress.
December 28th, 20122:05 am
uga… DON’T skip a space when you start the smiley…. SKIP a space from any other letters in your comment. Isolate the emoticon/smiley… capisci?
December 28th, 20122:07 am
December 28th, 20122:10 am
uga… we’ll have you BETTER than cabravesfan by Sunday night!
December 28th, 20122:12 am
well considering we could of been talking about zach grienke or peter bourjos, i consider this a success.
December 28th, 20122:14 am
tom, i dont know. she is pulling for your pack to lose on sunday.
that first round bye is huge.
December 28th, 20122:15 am
I can’t wait to hear what BAS has to say about all of this. Should be good…
December 28th, 20122:17 am
That’s OK, uga. All’s fair in love & war. I’m pulling for the Cardinals to win, Sunday!
December 28th, 20122:18 am
All, this is interesting, so some one can teach me……
December 28th, 20122:20 am
What about the faces?
Now if that lineup wouldn’t get Roman Gal back to regular status, I don’t know what would!
As much of a longshot as the kid is, I’m pulling for him to start putting his whole game together. Probably won’t happen, but I think he’d be a better fit than Delmon “You Talkin to Me!” Young.
well if you remember the “flintstones” he is kinda like the great guzu. he just sometimes shows up.
December 28th, 20122:21 am
Go back and check the last 20 or so posts on the previous page. And go to the link I posted.
Tom and I would have to charge time and a half if we went over this again tonight.
I just spilled out the extent of my knowledge. Whatever you want to learn, scroll back.
The only thing I know that I didn’t share with uga, is my vast knowledge of interplanetary travel.
December 28th, 20122:22 am
DS1 – Delmon Young, would produce some power, and a RH bat. Walker,as hitting coach, who knows we could have some thing?
December 28th, 20122:23 am
tom & wayne. if you can teach me you can teach……;)
December 28th, 20122:24 am
Tom – Space The Final Frontier……… Boldly go where no man has gone before…….. These are Voyages of the Star Ship Interprise……
December 28th, 20122:27 am
tom, ever considered that BAS might be ward?
December 28th, 20122:28 am
think about it?
December 28th, 20122:29 am
uga – Have a good one! I’m going to seek new missions……little humor. Peace my friends, and “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!” Keep hope! Talk tomorrow…….
uga – you have to skip a space from punctuation, also!
BAS = Ward… NO! (IMO)
December 28th, 20122:31 am
Did you guys ever dream that you could fly? When I was a kid, I’d dream it a lot. Even a couple dozen times in my adult life I have had the same dream. Took a lot of concentration and I never got but a 100 feet or more above the ground.
I frickin LOVE those kind of dreams.
A few days ago, I dreamed my brother and I were in little space ships and were flying in tandem across the US from west to east. The flying machines were the size of a soap box racer and were opened up like a convertible.
I wasn’t paying attention and lost altitude and had to do an emergency landing (darn how awesome the earth looked below though) in central Texas. When I got out I realized I was wearing a t-shirt and pajama pants; and didn’t have any cash or cell phone. Had to thumb my way across Texas, with my little rocket ship in tow.
Wish I could dream that sort of crazy stuff every night!
December 28th, 20122:35 am
You know who I miss on here, and who I once wondered if he was, “Ward”, when he first showed up? Bub Dylan.
December 28th, 20122:36 am
throwing it against the wall. remember bubdylan?
pretty sure BAS is not ward. but if their was one guy that could pull it off it is him:lol:
December 28th, 20122:38 am
we said it at the same time.
December 28th, 20122:39 am
Did you ever see the footage of that dude that soars down & around mountains while wearing a small camera? Plus, he has it video’d from other sources, too. He’s not flying, but he’s the next closest thing.
That shyt is scarier (bub dylan) than my flying dreams!!
bub, was a great poster.
December 28th, 20122:40 am
Is that on youtube?
we said it at the same time
That was, ALMOST, scary!
December 28th, 20122:43 am
Probably, Wayne. I saw it on 60 minutes, I think. But it’s more than likely on YouTube… plus, probably other flights of his and others.
Pretty cool stuff.
December 28th, 20122:44 am
could be haggard you never know. i am out, i appreciate my new found talent.
December 28th, 20122:46 am
Good night, uga-brave
Just remember, you’ve got it down – if you remember to skip a space before you start the smiley.
USE THAT SPACEBAR, buddy.
December 28th, 20122:47 am
thanks tom, have a Happy New year.
December 28th, 20122:50 am
Jeb Corliss? WOW! How does he land?
December 28th, 20122:52 am
You too, uga
Wayne, just on a quick look I found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6KmxvEnkuU
This isn’t the one I was talking about, but once you’re there, the site gives you other recommendations.
December 28th, 20122:54 am
Nevermind, Wayne. I see you’re already there!
December 28th, 20125:18 am
man those bulldogs are slow! finally got it though, nice job uga
Lame Kitten is a tool, quite amusing to see how his season went… preseason #1 to losing 5 and playing GT hah! After what he did to UT, little respect for him.
December 28th, 20125:25 am
Delmon Young… useless. Bad attitude, no plate discipline and atrocious fielding. And I mean ATROCIOUS.
Schafer is cooked guys, nothing to see there… nothing left in that horse. Send him to AAA to be the 4th OF or AA to be a LF or something… better yet, out of the organization. .606 career OPS, 66OPS+
Dude is pathetic.
December 28th, 20125:50 am
You saw the Airstream pic, right? Perfect. Spring Training right around the corner. I snore, smoke & listen to loud music, but I’m looking forward to your company for a month or two. We’ll have that tuna can rockin! Woo hoo! It’ll be great!!
December 28th, 20127:53 am
Couch, I’ll run that by my wife…. Honey!
December 28th, 20128:57 am
I remain a Francisco booster (as part of a platoon) but I am now wondering about Cunningham as being part of a four-headed monster (Johnson, Gattis, Francisco, Cunningham) to slay the beast of a hole left by Chipper. One or two (i.e., a platoon) of these guys could rise to the top.
With Cunningham, it’s a wild card. Some guys really tail off when they move from upper minors to MLB. Some guys seem to not lose very much production, probably because they are continuing to progress at a decent pace. So it’s hard to predict.
I thought I would compare Cunningham to Bourjos, a guy I like, and the Angel like too, because they have held on to him as their CFer for 2013. You can say he had a bad sophomore slump last year, which is true, but he had a breakout rookie year (though technically not a “rookie”) in 2011. So, how did Bourjos look in 2010? What credentials did he have when he arrived for the Angels’ 2011 Spring Training, compared to Cunningham right now? Well, he had a dismal line playing in 50 MLB games in 2009, .204 .237 .381 .618,, but here is a comparison of their AA and above experience:
AA 2009/AGE 22 .281 .354 .423 .778
AAA 2010/AGE 23 .314 .364 .498 .861
MLB 2011/AGE 24 .271 .327 .438 .765
AA 2012/AGE 23 .309 .364 .403 .767
Obviously, I’m equating Bourjos’ 2010 with Cunningham’s 2012. Bourjos clearly had more power, although that did not really translate to his 2011 MLB line. Bourjos’ MiLB RF/G in CF is greater than Cunningham’s in CF, but Cunningham gets high marks for his glove, and other factors come into play there. And in LF it would not be as critical.
And, Bourjos AAA work in 2010 was in the PCL, which I have learned from people here is a “hitter friendly” league, and perhaps comparable to Cunningham’s AA work last year.
At some point, every player moves from the minors to the majors. We need to give Cunningham every chance to do that in 2013. Right now, it’s not at all obvious that Cunningham can play in 2013. My point is that it is often not obvious, until after the fact.
December 28th, 20129:02 am
Cunningham or Gattis for LF… if we’re going internal. I don’t really like platoons…
Trade Juan for a bench bat (3B?) and a good hitting prospect at A or AA.
December 28th, 20129:10 am
Yes – Let’s trade all of our question marks and A and AA players for someone else’s question marks and A and AA players. The grass is always greener, isn’t it?
I also took a peek at the K/BB percentages for Bourjos versus Cunningham from their most recent high minor year:
Bourjos 17.1% 5.3%
Cunningham 9.9% 7.4%
So Cunningham’s OBP might translate more effectively to the next level, making him a better lead off batter. From the left side, where he would be most effective in the lead off spot, his numbers are even better, a rare instance where they are reversed: 8.5%/8.7%
With all the strike outs we are going to have, that’s something to consider.
December 28th, 20129:11 am
Sorry about the bold font FU guys.
December 28th, 20129:13 am
The point of all my nonsense above is that we may have 4 guys, not just 3, who are part of the mix on the internal options. Need to give all 4 a chance.
December 28th, 20129:14 am
we need hitting prospects Lew, and Juan isn’t a PH… if he isn’t a starter, and Cunningham or Gattis is, move him and maybe Delgado (since the Braves seem to like Teheran more), but possibly Spruill/Gilmartin instead for a decent bench bat at 3B and/or a high upside prospect at A or AA… this player would be about a year or two from the majors, we move an excess arm, and Juan who would be practically useless to us since he can’t hit off the bench.
December 28th, 20129:18 am
Why keep Teheran, Spruill, Graham, Gilmartin all down there? Also got Flande and Hale, plus whatever old guys they use… Not enough to trade for Price or some other #1…
Get a bat.
December 28th, 20129:22 am
Dale Murphy: Another case in which I fear electing a player who would lower the Hall’s standards. Virtually all of Murphy’s career offensive numbers are light, and his peak was too short. I give him points for his exemplary character, but even in his 15th and final year on the ballot, I can’t bring myself to give him my vote.
December 28th, 20129:24 am
TOBF – And why exactly, if Francisco is as bad as you claim he is, do you think anyone will trade us hitting prospects for him?
December 28th, 20129:26 am
somewhere that can use him as a starter will take him… if he’s not starting for us, it doesn’t do a whole lot of good. Add in a young pitcher, that may be enough. We wouldn’t get a stud, just a decent solid hitting prospect.
December 28th, 20129:28 am
Yes, we need to put an end to this nonsense about Juan being part of our bench. We’re better off having him in AAA (any options left for him?) than on the bench. Very poor pinch hitter. Dreadful.
You might carry him there for 3 or 4 weeks, just to make sure a surging youngster/rookie gets his feet solidly on the ground as a starter, but if Juan’s not starting (and I would love for him to succeed in that way) he needs to be traded.
December 28th, 20129:30 am
“I think Wren, will wait, as long as he can. I can Imagine Delmon Young, but it would have to be at the right price, and he would have to want to come over too.”
OK, the price would have to be right for both player and owner and he must want to be here. Is this as sophisticated as we can get? Have we hit rock bottom with this dialogue? Frankly,it would be more productive if a bunch of older white guys debate the merits of the Killer Mike CD sitting atop the top 50 list.
December 28th, 20129:33 am
I believe he’s out of options, that was why he got traded here. I guess we could always try to sneak him to AAA through waivers…
But yes, it’s start him or trade him… .183/.280/.317/.597 career as a PH, .122/.217/.195/.413 in 2012, and striking out as much as he does, about 1/2 the time in that role? Doesn’t do us much good.
December 28th, 20129:35 am
Another random thought: among the internal options, Gattis and Francisco have the most profound L/R splits, and would be the most natural platoon as far as offensive production is concerned.
December 28th, 20129:36 am
Yes. He must go. Because after less than a full season’s PA in his career, we have enough information to know that he will never be a decent player.
December 28th, 20129:37 am
And of course, small sample sizes are totally irrelvant unless they happen to coincide with your personal point of view.
December 28th, 20129:43 am
Juan Francisco has shown as much power potential as Gattis and I really don’t understand ANY effort to trade him until he gets a chance. Plus he has shown that he will listen to coaches and work hard to develop as evidenced by his weight loss and increased walks in winter ball. That alone puts him in the upper half of prospects.
IMO, if you are going to start one of Gattis or Francisco, it would be Fransisco and start Gattis in Gwinett so he can get some instruction on LF defense. Then if Fransisco falters, you can bring up Gattis and move Prado to third.
So you’re saying that you’d keep Juan as a PH, when he’s been nothing but bad there? I mean, Hinske did better than what Juan’s done, and you were one of the ones saying he should be gone.
If Juan’s a starter, I can live with that until he’s hitting .230 and has a .255 OBP. But I’ll be fine with that as the plan going in. But to have him on the bench, no. Can’t do that, sorry.
December 28th, 20129:47 am
9% walk rate, 30% K rate at what’s essentially AA.
December 28th, 20129:49 am
93 PA as a pinch hitter. 385 PA in his career. Yes, definitive without a doubt.
December 28th, 20129:52 am
Of course, since sample sizes are meaningless (along with everything other than OBP and prospect rankings by people who have decided they know it all). why not hit Juan leadoff since his in his career he’s hit .500?
Never heard of about 35 of the 50 music artists on this list. Is this truck stop music ? Where’s Foo Fighters,Seether,Stonesour,Five Finger Death Punch ?
December 28th, 20129:54 am
Jimmy – And I’ver never heard of half the bands you mentioned. But I’d be willing to bet some of them are good.
December 28th, 20129:58 am
I can still play LF. I’m 64 but I can still swipe 2B and I’m as good as R.Johnson & J. Schafer even if I was missing a leg.
December 28th, 201210:00 am
“Never heard of about 35 of the 50 music artists on this list. Is this truck stop music ? Where’s Foo Fighters,Seether,Stonesour,Five Finger Death Punch ?”
Where’s The Who, Jethro Tull, Clapton, Yes, Rolling Stones, Allman Brothers Band and Marshal Tucker?
December 28th, 201210:02 am
Check out songs Far From Home by Five Finger Death Punch, Walk by Foo Fighters,Breakdown by Seether,Hesitate by Stone Sour.
December 28th, 201210:03 am
Far From Home video/song link : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBMT3OMEPwk
To be clear, I have a borderline man crush on Juan. I am far, far, far from saying “he must go.”
But he stinks as a pinch hitter. If he rises to the top in ST, he has the potential to really do well playing every day or in a platoon.
Relegating him to bench duty makes no sense. It’s up or out for Juan.
If he has to go, you guys give me some support, OK? I’ll probably get pretty misty over it. I love that goofy guy.
Mr. Pitt – Not sure how many new albums any of them have released in recent years. I do knmow it’s been quite a few since Tull put out anything that was new – maybe since 2000.
December 28th, 201210:16 am
old man – Maybe for his career, Juan works out to be a terrible ppinch hitter – however, after a mere 93 PA and after he’s obviously taken a new approach to getting in shape and is apparently paying attention to a good hitting coah, I’d like to give him a year before we decide there’s no worth to him like some here have already done.
Way to many people seem to believe that players with less than a full time players single year PA know exactly what players will do. Got a lot of amateurs here who think they understand player projection and development just because they have a vague understnding of a few formulae.
December 28th, 201210:21 am
JImy – I appreciate the links – but my sound card is non functional right now. I’m familiar with Foo Fighters and Five Finger, just never heard of the other two, but I’ll be certain to check them out.
My point was (and I was not familiar with much of DOB’s list either) that DOB has a wide range of musical interests and just because we haven’t heard of many of them doesn’t mean that they’re not good.
December 28th, 201210:26 am
Francisco proving he can play
With doubts about the health of Cincinnati Reds third baseman Scott Rolen still lurking, up-and-comer Juan Francisco is jockeying to become the heir to the hot corner in Cincinnati with strong power numbers while playing for the Licey Tigres in the Dominican winter league.
Through 28 games, the 24-year-old Francisco is currently riding an 11-game hitting streak which has upped his average to .315 with three homers, 14 RBIs and an on-base percentage of .387. His last home run allowed him to pass Dominican legend Felipe Alou for 15th place in the all-time career home runs list in the Dominican league.
Rolen was shelved last September and underwent shoulder surgery. Although recent reports place him on course to come back for spring training, the left-handed hitting Francisco could be an inexpensive option for the Reds, who have plenty of questions with their pitching going into the height of the free-agent market.
That was last season. Couldn’t find his total slash line though. .307/.369/.575/.944 through 34 games this time through.
He’s done this before folks.
Tomahawkin (Suffering Fan)
December 28th, 201210:27 am
Just saw the new hat. Don’t like it, why can’t they just keep all things current. Oh I get it, Its for the money….
December 28th, 201210:31 am
The Reds staged a tryout this spring for the job of backing up third baseman Scott Rolen. Todd Frazier went 15-for-51 (.294) with 11 extra-base hits, including five homers, to win the job. (He also plays left field, first base and, in a pinch, second base.) Frazier’s competition, Juan Francisco, went 10-for-51 (.196) with four homers and a double
December 28th, 201210:38 am
“My point was (and I was not familiar with much of DOB’s list either) that DOB has a wide range of musical interests and just because we haven’t heard of many of them doesn’t mean that they’re not good.”
DOB listens to 60s and 70s rock. Don’t let him fool you. Do you really think this guy is cranking out Killer Mike? Yeah, right.
December 28th, 201210:43 am
Mr. Pitts – Yeah, I do believe he cranks out Killer Mike AND listens to the older rock, too – as well as old country and a bunch of other stuff as well. Why wouldn’t he?
December 28th, 201210:44 am
“Mr. Pitt – Not sure how many new albums any of them have released in recent years. I do knmow it’s been quite a few since Tull put out anything that was new – maybe since 2000.”
Lew, you’re right. My point–if there ever was one–is that none of this new junk is sustainable. Much, if not all, of the music on that list that we’re all supposed to act like we like because we want to create the perception that we’re hip and modern..I digress…will be nowhere in 5 years, yet much of the music of the 60s, 70s will be widely played 20 years from now. The folks on that DOB list, for the most part, will be broke in 5 years and janitoring at recording studios or dead.
Is this where you go to tweet?
December 28th, 201210:45 am
But he claims to have no familiarity with Norwegian Death Metal.
December 28th, 201210:48 am
Peter Bourjos must improve hitting to stay in Angels’ lineup. The speedy center fielder had a .204 average in 51 games last season . . . .
LA Times, February 20, 2011.
Bourjos, 23, didn’t provide much offense during his 51 games with the Angels last season. He hit .204 with a .237 OBP though he did provide six homers in 181 at-bats.
Dang, that Bourjos sucks, doesn’t he?
Sporting News, February 21, 2011.
December 28th, 201210:51 am
Peter Bourjos must improve hitting to stay in Angels’ lineup. The speedy center fielder had a .204 average in 51 games last season . . . .
Dang, that Bourjos sucks, doesn’t he?
Amazing how a lot of players have poor starts, get bad reviews, and then turn out OK.
Maybe so, but let’s get real here – though much of the 60’s and 70’s music IS still played (mainly by Fossils like you and me), there were many One Hit Wonders and plenty of bands that had no staying ower then, as well as now. It’s kind of par for the course.
For every Beatles, there were many John Fred and His Playboy Band types, too.
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