8:35 pm December 18, 2012, by David O'Brien
December 21st, 20124:19 pm
well we are all still here so far. might have till 11:59 GMT tonight yet I suppose
December 21st, 20124:21 pm
“In essence, the Braves ended up with Billy Bullock for Scott Diamond. Diamond, age 26, won 12 games for the Twins last season. Bullock just got suspended 50 games for his second drug offense.
Boy, the Braves know how to pick them.” – Don
Yeah, where do the Braves get these losers ?
December 21st, 20124:23 pm
If BJ Upton and Dan Uggla are “bargains” by today’s standards, what will I be worth to a team that will appreciate my versatility and style of play?
No kidding. They can’t pick them anymore like they used to be able to
December 21st, 20124:26 pm
versatility is not the money chip that specific assets are
December 21st, 20124:44 pm
How can you hayseeds get excited over Gattis who is hitting .275 in the winter league off teenagers and old men?
That would equal .220 in the major leagues, if that.
Maybe he and Schafer can fight over LF.
December 21st, 20124:46 pm
Disgusted, it’s actually a realistic way of running an operation. We don’t have a sugar daddy owner just financing a dream team like say the Dodgers. We have a budget the reflects our attendance, ticket prices, and tv deal fairly accurately. If we want better players, we need to either show up more or pay more per ticket.
ugaaccountant — Its their team and they can do what they choose to do with it but I don’t have to like it. They keep this up and they might make a Dodger fan out of me.
I do not owe them anything — I am getting to be more of a plain old baseball fan watching the games without any real attachemnt to one particular team. I do have attachments to the good players who bust their butts game in and game out. The good teams who have a run keep it together for the most part (like the Yankees, Phillies, Rangers). The Nats are begining to put something together.
And I will go to the number of games I can afford.
They are cheaply run — fortunately there are other teams to watch that will not be run this way.
Still staying on the Braves bandwagon — at least through 2013 and we will see how they handle the 4 important prospective FA’s comming up.
December 21st, 20124:48 pm
Phillies Phanatic — We really are not overly excited abotu Gattis but given what we have will give him a chance and see what he can do.
He would not be the first 26 yr old rookie to hit it off if he is what they hope he is.
We do give rookies a chance and sometimes they turn up good.
December 21st, 20124:56 pm
yes there are many fans who are over excited about Gattis and it worries me to see so much given to an unproven prospect
John C Malone
December 21st, 20125:01 pm
fortunately there are other teams to watch that will not be run this way.
most of which finished below the Braves last season
December 21st, 20125:02 pm
The Phillies only wish they had Gattis to put in their empty outfield. But hey – we’ll make you a real good deal on Schafer or Constanza. to replace Juan Pierre.
December 21st, 20125:09 pm
You tell’em Louew
December 21st, 20125:17 pm
I’d rather be dead than play Philadelphia
December 21st, 20125:25 pm
I hope this guy doesn’t do comedy for a living.
December 21st, 20125:27 pm
Glad you mentioned “Bear Creek” by Brandi Carlile, great album!
December 21st, 20125:32 pm
I thought it was pretty funny myself for the most part……
December 21st, 20125:45 pm
but then the suspense of exactly when armageddon will arrive today might be making me a bit lightheaded
December 21st, 20125:48 pm
OK… Wife is out doing a Xmas things with girlfriends… settling in for Total Recall (new one). Hope it’s good.
December 21st, 20125:50 pm
With a cas that includes, Jessica Biel and Kate Beckinsale (my personal favorite) it can’t be all that bad.
December 21st, 20125:51 pm
The movie is average. Kate Beckinsale is freaking hot though.
December 21st, 20125:54 pm
ain’t she always though
December 21st, 20126:16 pm
All this angst about the coming season,,just shows you guys and dolls don’t know a thing about the great situation the Braves are in.First off on the defense we got the white bear, who will be catching and teeeeen will be pitching, if by some chance the batter gets lucky and hits the ball in fair ground,teeeen will run the ball down and throw out the runner with the white bear covering first.Now to the biggest improvement,the offense,teeeen will lead off(the best lead off since Furcal IMHO) usually hitting a double,then the white bear will drive him home with a home run,a double when there is a 40 mph wind blowing straight in.The white bear will break hammerins home run record in a single season,with 877 dingers and I don’t want some dumb AZZ telling me balloon head holds the record.After they win the World Series( co MVP’s) the Braves will non-tender teeen and the White bear.Wren will say he is talking to Premium players.
December 21st, 20126:21 pm
RIP: Larry Morris, legendary Georgia Tech center and linebacker, died Wednesday after an extended illness. Morris, a consensus All-America in 1953 and later voted to the College Football Hall of Fame, was 79. The seventh overall pick of the 1955 NFL draft, Morris played 12 seasons for the Los Angeles Rams, Chicago Bears and the Falcons. He was the MVP of the 1963 NFL championship game for the Bears. A graduate of Decatur Boys High, he is considered one of the best football players that the state has ever produced. The man known as “The Brahma Bull” suffered from dementia in his later years, a condition that the family said led to financial ruin.
December 21st, 20126:36 pm
Well yes, kinda makes my comment stupid when you think about that…
But hey, she’s in underwear in this one!
December 21st, 20126:59 pm
Guys, Philly Fanatic comment about Gattis is well misinformed. I’ll explain why. A lot has been said here lately about winter league baseball. I live in PR and have seen this competition for years. comments like “the level of competition is between double a and triple a” is not entirely accurate, because in the minors players don’t necessarily play to win each game, they play to be promoted to the next level. Here the pressure to win from the fans will be the same or even more than a major league game.
Second, Gattis numbers are far above any norms in any of the winter league. Nelson Cruz hit 14 HR’s in a season in the Dom Rep and broke the record of the league. You know how many good players have played there and never hit that amount?? Moises Alou, Mondesi, Pedro Guerrero, Miguel Tejada, and several others are just some examples. None of those did.
Here in PR, Javy lopez, Juan Gonzalez, Ruben Sierra, even Clemente, never did. Reggie Jackson did hit 20 in a full season here. Cal Ripken played several years here, he never came close.
So why is that 14 from Gattis special? And why these other guys never hit that many? Because down here, in all of these leagues, there’s only two or three hitters in a team that are really dangerous. So what do pitchers do, they pitch around them. If those guys want to hit a ball out, they are going to earn their bucks off bad pitches, or mistakes. Rarely you will see a fastball down the middle like you see in the majors when pitchers challenge the hitters. Why get burn with Mejia or Gattis when you have a weak double a hitter next??
So to those who doubt the Braves thinking, This guy and even francisco, if given a chance to play regularly, will sure hit a lot of HR. Should we give them a chance to do so? I sure will, and if they don’t work out, then look for help at mid season. But we sure can use some of those dollars well if these kids happen to be as good as they can.
December 21st, 20127:26 pm
manolo, good post.
I’m with you Manolo. For a team on a budget, having 3 sluggers all fighting for 1 starting slot is a nice option to have. Yeah, it would be really hard for Mejia to get it due to position, but after seeing Loaf man LF, anyone who can hit certainly has a chance at earning that slot.
December 21st, 20127:30 pm
Payroll down and team is worse than the one that was assembled at the end of last year. Crime shame, really.
December 21st, 20127:34 pm
Not necessarily, just a few more patches and it’ll all be good again!
December 21st, 20127:37 pm
Monolo – thanks for the insight.
December 21st, 20127:39 pm
Team is close, JC. Choo would have made us damn good. That’s the type of player we need. Reds found away to do it without giving up a ton.
December 21st, 20127:42 pm
sure, keeping the prospects and money is fine now I guess… not all that bad. We can flip Teheran, Ahmed, and others at the deadline for David Price…
Movie was ok…. Love me some Kate Beckinsale. Dibs.
December 21st, 20127:44 pm
Thanks, CB and UGA. UGA, Mejia will not get a regular spot, but i will love to give him a shot when we face tough lefties backing up Freddie, or in case he gets injured. And there’s also those DH chances when we play in the American league parks. There’s no way in hell he can be worse than some of the backups we’ve had in recent years (except for Hinske in 2011). And the rest of our bench right now has zero power.
December 21st, 20127:45 pm
The Braves didn’t have the necessary pieces to acquire a guy like Choo, or match the offers from other teams, unfortunately.
manolo @ 6:59: Excellent post, thank you. That makes me feel like Gattis is the real deal and I can’t wait for spring to get here.
December 21st, 20127:51 pm
Reds didn’t give up a ton. AZ did. Give Jocketty credit for finding a 3rd team that had the assets the Indians wanted.
December 21st, 20127:54 pm
As for Kate Beckinsale, even here in PR she’s hotter than the weather.
December 21st, 20127:56 pm
Yeah, AZ was crucial for the Reds to land Choo.
But anyways, I’m all positive about this team’s potential. Not expecting them to win the WS, but they have the potential to be quite good and compete against anyone in the NL, whether they make another move for a bat or not.
kenhotlanta – I posted this yesterday but I think you would enjoy Gattis hitting a 3 run HR in the ninth with 2 outs to put his team up 7 – 5. He sure looks good to me.
December 21st, 20128:04 pm
kL, thanks for that video, he looks like BMac without his cap. Some of the crowd were acting like it was a playoff game.
Agreed. But, they could compete for the WS! An impact bat in LF would allow that. I am aware they don’t grow on trees though. Teams just don’t value Delgado and Teheran as high as the Braves…I think that’s obvious. Year too late with being willing to trade T-Rex. My concern is that if the Braves don’t like the prices now, when will they, floor has been set and the prices aren’t coming down anytime soon.
December 21st, 20128:06 pm
#1 on my list.
December 21st, 20128:08 pm
Gattis looks like he has a pretty solid frame
Ten Breakout International Prospects To Watch
By Ben Badler
December 21, 2012
4. Mauricio Cabrera, rhp, Braves
Cabrera raised his status considerably with a breakout season in the Rookie-level Appalachian League, where he finished with a 2.97 ERA in 58 innings. He’s Atlanta’s No. 6 prospect, but with a thin crop of talent ahead of him and the potential for three above-average pitches, he could be sitting on top of the list by the end of next season.
7. Jose Peraza, ss, Braves
Peraza won’t put on a show in batting practice, but he’s excellent in game situations. At 18, he has outstanding speed and good plate coverage, which helps him put the ball in play and hit for a high average with an aggressive approach. After splitting time between the GCL and the Appalchian League in 2012, Peraza should make his full-season debut in the South Atlantic League in April.
10. Luis Merejo, lhp, Braves
Merejo is one of three Braves prospects on this list, a reflection of the work the Braves have done in Latin America in recent years under international director Johnny Almaraz. While Cabrera and Peraza were notable prospects as amateurs, Merejo signed for just $65,000 and has quickly proven to be a bargain. He throws strikes and has the potential for three average or better pitches, with a low Class A Rome debut possible next season at 18.
TRex and Delgado aren’t all that tradeable on the market right now… last year was the year to trade one of them for a middle of the order bat… but we had no money.
I hope that if we keep both of them this season, Teheran doesn’t stink it up in AAA again. His value go’d poof, and our already poor farm would look even worse. No chance to trade for an ace if he goes kaput.
December 21st, 20128:11 pm
Joe Manganiello or Christian Kane. Either is acceptable
December 21st, 20128:14 pm
I am starting to think T-Rex wins the 5th spot this spring
December 21st, 20128:15 pm
December 21st, 20128:18 pm
no one cares
Muchas gracias Efrim… Cabrera and Peraza were two I’d heard of and was gonna watch closely… hadn’t seen Merejo’s name much.
I still think Delgado over Teheran at this point… T-Man still has some work to do.
December 21st, 20128:19 pm
Gattis looks like he has a pretty solid frame — JasoninFL
Let’s find out for sure… run that by phil.
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in re manolo-
Mejia was also named the Rookie Player of the Year in the International League last year.
He could sub for Freeman against tough lefthanders plus serving as DH during all the away games against AL teams (which all occur before the July trading deadline). If he shows the power he has at lower levels he would be very attractive to other teams DHing or at !B in July or the post-season. Plus pinch hitting.
Sorry- thought we were talking about hot people…figured I’d add my opinion
Maybe Frank can still get Upton…. Kate Upton
December 21st, 20128:20 pm
The Braves have too many variables to consider when trading minor league talent, especially for one year rentals like Choo.
Had they traded Delgado/Teheran last year, they would have had to use much of this year’s available money to overpay for a front line starter / #2 / #3, leaving holes in CF and LF/3B.
Now they have to trade someone in order to find a reliable LFer, but if they do trade Delgado/Teheran, then there will be a lot more holes to worry about next offseason. Hudson will be gone, Maholm, McCann, Prado possibly , O’Flaherty, etc.
Wren is playing his cards around the lack of payroll flexibility he has in front of him.
I’d like to see a move materialize, but let’s be real, is not easy at all.
December 21st, 20128:23 pm
JC, I am not following the logic on why they would have had to spend their money on a front line pitcher this year if they had traded one of those 2 last year?
December 21st, 20128:24 pm
Why, exactly? Those guys won’t be #2-3s this year, but rather #5s. Those guys are pretty cheap. If we believe Medlen and Minor are the real deal, there’s no real need…
December 21st, 20128:25 pm
YouTube payroll was supposed to stay the same or go up slightly.
December 21st, 20128:27 pm
Well, they are competing for an open spot this year, aren’t they? Had they traded both guys last year when their value was at its peak, someone would have had to fill that open spot for this upcoming season… and I don’t see a lot of cheap pitchers on the FA market.
Not even sure how the heck that autocorrect even happened??
December 21st, 20128:29 pm
Yeah…for the last spot in the rotation…still wouldn’t have had to spend money on a frontline starter…the one left simply would be competing with someone else for the last spot.
December 21st, 20128:30 pm
That list was International free agent signings prior to 2012 and less than $1 million. So that group wasn’t composed of Latin bonus babies – such as Edward Salcedo in early 2010, who signed for something like $1.4 million I think. Cabrera and Peraza were signed in July 2010 and Merejo was in late 2011.
December 21st, 20128:32 pm
Got it JC…you are saying if they traded both…I never thought they would/should do that…also don’t think they would have had to last year.
December 21st, 20128:33 pm
But I could have worded that part a littler better: They would have had to pay ACE money for crappy pitcher this winter. There, better.
December 21st, 20128:40 pm
Chances of Upton deal
Justin Upton | Diamondbacks
When the Arizona Diamondbacks traded for shortstop Didi Gregorius from the Cincinnati Reds in a three-way deal last week, GM Kevin Towers came out and said it was highly unlikely Justin Upton would be traded now that the team had acquired what they needed without moving the right fielder. Not everyone believes that, however, including yours truly.
Reading between the lines, it certainly appears that one of the major factors in Upton being available is the team’s disenchantment with him. Upton has three years left on his contract and will make $9.75 million this season before earning $14 million in 2014 and 2015 each. Coming off his second poor offensive showing in four seasons, the Diamondbacks may not be able to afford passing up a chance to get value for him now.
If Upton stays in Arizona and struggles again like he did in 2012, his trade value will certainly plummet, and having one less remaining on his contract doesn’t help, either.
Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com wrote Tuesday that some executives believe Upton will be moved between now and the start of the season, despite Towers’ comments last week. The Rangers could be the most motivated club to make a deal with Arizona after losing out on Josh Hamilton.
Other clubs that could have strong interest in Upton include the Orioles, Indians, Mariners, Red Sox, Phillies and Braves.
crappy pitcher? He wasn’t crappy, just not the top of the top
That was from the 18th
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December 21st, 20128:45 pm
Scott Hairston……..I’ll pass, next.
Gattis looked good but, that chick with the glasses…… ♥
December 21st, 20128:46 pm
from earlier, today:
Braves minor league pitcher Billy Bullock suspended 50 games for second violation of MiLB prevent and treatment program for “drug of abuse.” He finished last year at Triple-A Gwinnett and had a 6.34 ERA in 40 appearances for Double-A Mississippi and Gwinnett, with 67 strikeouts and whopping 56 walks in 59-2/3 innings. — DOB
With a “whopping 56 walks in 59-2/3 innings”, it’s obvious he was caught taking a controlled substance! (snicker)
I’m not talking about Greinke.
December 21st, 20128:48 pm
Your Cadillac, has got a wheel in the ditch,
And a wheel on the traaaaaack!
December 21st, 20128:54 pm
Stood by on believing.
Stood by on my own.
Always thought I was someone.
Turned out I was wrong.
December 21st, 20129:01 pm
Hawks have looked horrible since those Braves attended that game.
About to lose 3 of the last 4.
December 21st, 20129:07 pm
Where are you these days?
December 21st, 20129:11 pm
December 21st, 20129:13 pm
A shooting in PA now…. wtf?
I don’t want to trade Teheran or Delgado for any sort of rental whatsoever. Unless we’re talking trading for someone else with under a year MLB experience, I’m not interested. Our payroll flexibility in the next few years is dependent upon a cheap rotation. These guys and the rest of our prospects are vital to that plan.
I’m still in the great capital of NYS. (just barely, I can lob a dead perch across my backyard stream and hit the Town of Bethlehem.)
I read your early am post apologizing for “leaving abruptly”. You didn’t need to do that. You were on the board for a good part of the day… plus, you said, “good night”, before you left. Heck, I rarely do that – I just slither off into the darkness.
Besides that, I left right after you did. Even the late-night party animals out on the west coast were here later than I was that night!
December 21st, 20129:15 pm
…this one is only 200 miles from me.
December 21st, 20129:19 pm
I am convinced that Wren is going to hold on to Teheran/Gilmartin/Spurill, etc because they are the inexpensive insurance in case LM chooses not to pony up the $$$$$$$ to keep Hudson and Malholm.
Unfortunately, he is backed into that kind of corner due to ownership.
I do not consider Delgado a prospect anymore cause he should be the number 5 SP.
We better hope Bethancourt and Ahmed develop quickly. They will be needed next yr.
Ahmed could be a Prado type I hope cause he deserves some real cash that we will choose not to pay.
December 21st, 20129:28 pm
Don’t we get tired of having to make excuses for a team on a budget.
I want the Braves that we used to have — before TW cut the payroll after the 2003 season — that is the last yr we had a top tiered payroll.
Only hope is that ownership will change at some point — and the TV deal can be bought out — contracts in big business are renegotiated every day. What it will take I dunno.
I hate this stinking business set up.
Its amazing that FW can do what he has been able to do –
December 21st, 20129:32 pm
I am convinced that Wren is going to hold on to Teheran/Gilmartin/Spurill, etc because they are the inexpensive insurance in case LM chooses not to pony up the $$$$$$$ to keep Hudson and Malholm. — Disgusted
C’mon, man, you make that sound as if holding on to them is like carrying a leper’s fallen limb or something.
DelGado & Teheran are battling for the 5TH STARTING PITCHER! The other one will probably be needed after someone gets hurt.
If you’ve been following the Braves, then you should know that that will probably happen.
Beachy won’t be ready until, around, the halfway point of the season.
So, it’s GREAT!!! that the Braves have DelGado & Teheran to back up the pitching staff. (I don’t know where Wren considers Zeke Spruill to be, right now.)
See if you can spot the unusual item in this stat line:
LF EVAN GATTIS [.283 BA] 0-1, 2 BB, 1 SB .
December 21st, 20129:33 pm
SOUTH OF THE BORDER
Lead-off JOSE CONSTANZA [.350 BA] 2-4, 2 R, 1 2B , 1 RBI , 1 SB , 1 SO.
LHRP JOSE LUGO [2.08 BA] 0.1 IP, zip.
LHSP YOHAN FLANDE [3.04 ERA] 3.0 IP, 3 H, 2 R/ER, 1 BB, 4 SO.
JUAN FRANCISCO not in the starting line-up for the last regular season game in the DOMINICAN REPUBLIC.
RF JOSH KROEGER [.290 BA] 0-3, 1 BB.
ZULIA EAGLES game in the seventh.
1B ERNESTO MEJIA [.305 BA] 1-3.
December 21st, 20129:34 pm
Disgusted, we absolutely won’t be resigning Hudson or Maholm at fair market values. The only chance would be if one has a disapointing season and comes super cheap.
December 21st, 20129:37 pm
Been having trouble posting up since early this a.m. ‘Internet Server Error’ or somesuch.
Just getting tired of clicking and spinning while the danged blog tries to load up.
December 21st, 20129:43 pm
testing, testing, 1 2 3…
…gonna get off the blog. Errors and spinning.
December 21st, 20129:52 pm
we absolutely won’t be resigning Hudson or Maholm at fair market values.
I’m not sure Hudson pitches for any one except the Braves.
December 21st, 201210:03 pm
sorry Manolo, there are a number of very good players but also bunch of guys down there that would not succeed at AA .thus offering a lot of opportunities to hit mediocre pitching. I understand, but I think you are overestimating the league. a lot of pro players do well there who never do well in the majors
December 21st, 201210:07 pm
nolie = killjoy
So we lose Chipper…Bourne and Ross.
We add Upton and start Francisco and Johnson to platoon with Prado.
Sorry folks but that is a clear step backwards. We need a star left fielder or 3rd baseman to make up the difference.
December 21st, 201210:09 pm
I’m not saying anybody will fail, just don’t put too much reliance at this point
December 21st, 201210:15 pm
Sorry folks but that is a clear step backwards. We need a star left fielder or 3rd baseman to make up the difference. — jc_dawgs
Go for it, “jc_dawgs”, play GM. What trade or acquisition would you do? (But please keep it within the Braves payroll parameters.
We’ll grade YOU!
December 21st, 201210:20 pm
what are their parameters? Months ago Wren himself suggested 100 mil might be a possibility but today we are looking at the lowish 80s with little indication that they will spend to pick up a ‘quality’ left fielder/third baseman.
December 21st, 201210:23 pm
It may not be because they don’t want to spend the money, but that they don’t want to spend the prospects.
Besides, whatever they save now, can be used a little further into the season when someone gets injured and goes out for the remainder of the year. We didn’t have that, last year.
December 21st, 201210:24 pm
Here’s another one we could have used. Didn’t we trade him for Javy Vazquez?
The reported departure of A.J. Pierzynski via a one-year deal with the Rangers, pending a Friday physical, means the Tyler Flowers era behind the plate for the White Sox unofficially has begun.
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