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Mixxo
December 20th, 2012
3:41 pm
never in my life saw so much hate for a yearly allstar than here against Mac
The guy is grossly overrated. Can’t run, can’t throw, can’t call a game, zero WIU. Want me to go on?
Sure, his bat will run into one every now n’ then, he’s cute n’ cuddly and a nice guy. Lovely.
I want to win
kenhotlanta
December 20th, 2012
3:46 pm
Brava, you forgot to add that the Braves were FORCED to trade Kevin Millwood and it took us years to recover from that deal.
I lost a lot of respect for Greg Maddox over that situation.
RC
December 20th, 2012
3:46 pm
never in my life saw so much hate for a yearly allstar than here against Mac
I’m not sure I’d call it “hate” (although from some, like the comment I see above, I guess it is).
To me, I simply don’t see how it would be fiscally responsible for the Braves to offer McCann the type of contract he is likely to get from a team with greater financial resources. Additionally, I don’t think it would be fiscally responsible for McCann to turn down such an offer from another team, since in my opinion he’s worth it.
He is similar to an expensive sports car in my opinion. I may think that a Porche 911 is worth every dollar it would cost, but that still doesn’t mean it would be a good idea for someone in my financial standing to go out and purchase one. I’ll leave that to the guys who have a much larger income than my own.
TennesseePaul
December 20th, 2012
3:47 pm
He just hates us. All of us. Every Braves fan. What a jerk
Law has been scouting his pre-signing stat line for the last 7 years. Even before the ink dried on the minor league contract, Law was ripping… “The only thing more worthless than Gattis is the Atlanta Braves franchise. Fitting these two should meet and marry.“
Efrim
December 20th, 2012
3:47 pm
Steve (Nebraska)
By my count, six catchers had a higher BR WAR than Arencibia. When you say “he shouldn’t start for anyone”, maybe you’re overvaluing the catching market?
Klaw (3:47 PM)
More likely WAR isn’t the be-all and end-all for discussions of player value, amirite?
Has Keith met Shaun Payne?
Lew
December 20th, 2012
3:47 pm
cab is right – we don’t even know what will happen the rest of the winter and y’all are worrying about next winter?
That being said – Ten Paul mentions a “younger, equally productive, cheaper player” to replace McCann. Who exactly, is this paragon and where has he been hidden?
raleighbravefan
December 20th, 2012
3:49 pm
DOB – I respect your baseball knowledge…and love your BBQ enthusiasm….but I gotta stick with Satchmo.
DAP
December 20th, 2012
3:49 pm
nolie LAST FOUR YEARS. guy. wat more important than career totls here.
Upton’s first two seasons totally skew those career totals. He has not been the guy in ages.
taking and handful of stats, you can make the argument something is skewd. ugglas ‘09 and ‘10 seasons skew his numbers over the last 4 seasons, and he hasnt been that player for ages!
last two seasons, their OBP is within 14 points of each other. i dont understand what is weird about saying they are similar hitters.
and the topic when you jumped in this conversation was walks. upton and uggla and very similar walk rates, around 11%.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 20th, 2012
3:50 pm
Dayton from Nebraska @BravesAmerica
Millwood had 7.3 WAR for Phillies, Estrada 3.7 for the Braves. That said, Millwood made 20,900,000 million for PHI, Estrada 772,000 for ATL
kenhotlanta
December 20th, 2012
3:50 pm
The Mayan Apocalypse has already started because my access to the world wide interweb in getting worse and worse as the day goes on, especially the AJC site.
Mixxo
December 20th, 2012
3:50 pm
It’s not ‘hate’ chief. I want what’s best for this ballclub. Always have.
There’s a lot of guys in MLB I dislike but, that’s neither here nor there when it comes to putting a winning product between the lines.
RC
December 20th, 2012
3:51 pm
Has Keith met Shaun Payne?
Probably not, but I’d bet money than within 48 hours a similar comment will be made by Mr. Payne somewhere on this blog. Klawchats are like a glimse into the future of what Shaun’s going to post the next day.
Real Talk
December 20th, 2012
3:52 pm
Lew maybe they are scouring the Las Vegas High Schools for another Bryce:}
Efrim
December 20th, 2012
3:52 pm
As I’ve said before, I’ll be really pumped if Gattis can become Jonny Gomes. I think there is a chance that could happen and that’s pretty cool given his story/background. I’ll be rooting for him……just sorta wish we found a player for LF in 2013 that wasn’t Evan. Would like to see him at Gwinnett for at least the first half of 2013.
Efrim
December 20th, 2012
3:56 pm
Who exactly, is this paragon and where has he been hidden?
Maybe we could of drafted or signed said player within the last 7-8 drafts or international signing periods? Or at least one that could possibly OPS .700 at the big league level?
Real Talk
December 20th, 2012
3:56 pm
Efrim I think that is where gattis will be is in Gwinnet
TennesseePaul
December 20th, 2012
3:57 pm
May cause us to be unable to keep Heyward and Freeman later on, as we’d have to pay Mac and another guy to start at C.
You really need to put your worry to rest over extending Heyward and Freeman. This team will figure out a way to keep those two around. And if they are unable to keep them around, it isn’t going to be because of Uggla’s contract or McCann’s contract. It’ll be because one or both of them are seeking more money than the team is willing to invest in a single player. Wren made that pretty clear at the outset of this off-season… the only “premium” outfield player available was immediately off the table due to cost. Say Heyward finally starts turning in .280/.380/.500 seasons and reaches FA at age 26, he’ll be expensive, and quite possibly too expensive for the Braves, even if the Braves had zero players under contract.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 20th, 2012
3:58 pm
Would like to see him at Gwinnett for at least the first half of 2013.
Get that extra year of control, huh
Lew
December 20th, 2012
3:58 pm
Real Talk – Could be, but many times the grass seems greener (Someone should tell Schafer) somewhere else and sometimes you don’t know what you have til it’s gone. I’d bet there are a few other cliches that would fit, too
TennesseePaul
December 20th, 2012
3:59 pm
Would like to see him at Gwinnett for at least the first half of 2013.
There’s still that possibility even without acquiring a LF. I don’t think the Braves are just going to dump LF on Gattis. He’ll have to earn it in ST. And, he could go down for a month and be up mid-season sometime.
Real Talk
December 20th, 2012
4:00 pm
Lew I agree, I am hoping Bmac bounces back from Surgery and shuts these critics up!
TennesseePaul
December 20th, 2012
4:02 pm
Klawchats are like a glimse into the future
Ha! lol. Nice RC.
Lew
December 20th, 2012
4:02 pm
Efrim – Yeah, we could have, but we didn’t. I’d much rather sign McCann to an extension that would maybe cost too much in the long run than to settle for Christian “I Can’t Even Hit AA Pitching” Bethancourt.
But he’ll throw out a few more runners, right?
Efrim
December 20th, 2012
4:02 pm
Let’s remember that at most, Heyward will make $4M, $8M, $12M in arbitration over the next three years and that is a crazy high estimate that is not likely to be reached, imo. Braves would have no problems paying that salary and they have only Upton’s salary on the books for 2016.
cornjolio
December 20th, 2012
4:02 pm
“Brava, you forgot to add that the Braves were FORCED to trade Kevin Millwood and it took us years to recover from that deal.” – kenhotlanta
Yeah, we got Johnny Estrada who became an Allstar catcher in an Atlanta uniform. Millwood had a couple decent seasons after leaving the Braves, nothing spectacular. He was always a 4th or 5th best starter, not a #1 guy the Phillies envisioned.
TennesseePaul
December 20th, 2012
4:04 pm
Ten Paul mentions a “younger, equally productive, cheaper player” to replace McCann. Who exactly, is this paragon and where has he been hidden?
He’s the player on some other team who may or may not be available directly as a result of other events. In otherwords, how am I supposed to know? Who would replace Chipper’s production and be younger and cheaper and on another team? Quite a number of guys… which brings us back to my statement, does this team have the ability/willingness to trade for the player?
cornjolio
December 20th, 2012
4:05 pm
McCann = Porsche 911 ?
Hmm.
Efrim
December 20th, 2012
4:06 pm
My only concern with Heyward is if they do not reach a contract extension over the next 12 months. You then need to make the difficult decision on whether you trade him with two years left of control or roll with it and hope you come to an agreement before he hits free agency. My guess is they get a deal done for 5-6 years through 2017 or 2018. Still puts the kid in line to hit it very big at age 29.
TennesseePaul
December 20th, 2012
4:06 pm
Let’s remember that at most, Heyward will make $4M, $8M, $12M in arbitration over the next three years and that is a crazy high estimate that is not likely to be reached
True Ef, but what can you tell us of the payroll a half decade from now? We must worry about that payroll. We must.
cornjolio
December 20th, 2012
4:07 pm
If McCann is a Porsche 911, what is Posey or Molina, a Bentley and a Bugatti ?
Murph
December 20th, 2012
4:08 pm
True Ef, but what can you tell us of the payroll a half decade from now? We must worry about that payroll. We must.
Beats talking about the nuances of a Prado/Francisco/Gattis platoon for the 29th day in a row…
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 20th, 2012
4:10 pm
Freeman should be right around those salaries too, right? (Obviously 1 ARB level behind JHey)
Gets pricey
TennesseePaul
December 20th, 2012
4:10 pm
You then need to make the difficult decision on whether you trade him with two years left of control or roll with it and hope you come to an agreement before he hits free agency
That isn’t happening. This team will ride him until he hits free agency, if he isn’t extended. Or, if he starts tanking out there, then they dump him. I can’t recall a home grown player that was a “corner stone” who was traded because of an inability to extend them. The FO will still view Heyward as affordable and productive, so they’ll keep him.
Plus, this is the same FO that has foregone draft picks and is letting the farm slowly whither away. You think they’re going to value a “package of prospects” more than the two years of affordable production of a home grown player?
TennesseePaul
December 20th, 2012
4:13 pm
Freeman should be right around those salaries too, right?
Well, like WAR, he’ll be undervalued for his position/production.
TennesseePaul
December 20th, 2012
4:16 pm
I like Freeman, but he is play 1B and he is decidedly not Joey Votto, Albert Pujols or even Ryan Howard back in the day. He’ll have to really break out to jump those Arb rewards up there to a level requiring fretting and worrying.
Jason Heyward
December 20th, 2012
4:18 pm
I’ll look good in a Phillies uniform.
Lew
December 20th, 2012
4:18 pm
cornjolio – Yep, petty much.
Maybe to try to figure out what the Braves may do about their catching next year we should look at when the last time the Braves had a weak hitting, great defensive catcher starting on a regular basis. Probably somehwhere before they won the WS. I’d expect, cause 85 was when Javy started catcing 100 or more game a year.
No way Bethancourt gets brought up instead of extending Mac.
Brava
December 20th, 2012
4:19 pm
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
have decided not to vote for mike stanton (the reliever) for the hall. being middle reliever and hgh usage hurts candidacy
Lew
December 20th, 2012
4:20 pm
And – of course – that should have been ‘95 and not ‘85.
Efrim
December 20th, 2012
4:20 pm
That isn’t happening. This team will ride him until he hits free agency, if he isn’t extended. Or, if he starts tanking out there, then they dump him. I can’t recall a home grown player that was a “corner stone” who was traded because of an inability to extend them. The FO will still view Heyward as affordable and productive, so they’ll keep him.
Plus, this is the same FO that has foregone draft picks and is letting the farm slowly whither away. You think they’re going to value a “package of prospects” more than the two years of affordable production of a home grown player?
Fair point. It has seemed like they have looked at the farm system with respect to drafting and signing international free agents and said “That’s the next GM’s problem”. Can’t wait to see how it all works out!
RC
December 20th, 2012
4:23 pm
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
have decided not to vote for mike stanton (the reliever) for the hall. being middle reliever and hgh usage hurts candidacy
I know Heyman is a joke, but that can’t be real….can it? If not for the HGH, would he have actually considered voting for Stanton????
cornjolio
December 20th, 2012
4:25 pm
“cause 85 was when Javy started catcing 100 or more game a year.”
Javy came up about 1993 or 94, I recollect. In 1985 he as in middle school.
Bruce Benedict was a week hitter, most of career. Then Charlie O’Brien & Ernie Whitt after Bruce, all weak hitters. Javy was best hitting catcher; Estrada was a good one who got hurt, which led to Brian getting a call from AA , I think.
If Bethancourt gets the job in 2014 the money will be used to get a legit bat in LF, or hopefully another secondbaseman. Nothing wrong with having a solid defensive catcher that doesn’t put up big offensive numbers.
McCann hasn’t been to a World Series, and won’t in a Braves’ uniform.
VaBravesFan
December 20th, 2012
4:26 pm
Andrew (CA)
Cody Ross to the Rangers for 2 yrs/15 million. Good/bad deal for Texas?
Klaw (3:22 PM)
Extra outfielder. That’s about twice the $ I think he’s worth.
Efrim
December 20th, 2012
4:26 pm
I think most all GM’s that aren’t small, small market GM’s hit a breaking point and are tired of asset collecting like AA was and will decide to go for it. I thought that offseason was this one for the Braves, but they didn’t go that route. Part of me is happy about it given how much I like prospects, but the other part of me thinks this is the prime time for the Braves to strike and overpay in trade. I suppose they already overpaid in the free agent market when you add the 1st round draft pick given up, but this franchise hasn’t had a big prospect trade in four years – Javier Vazquez in 2008. That’s a long time, and I really thought this was the year to make a deal like that, for ya know, a friggin everyday legit LEFT FIELDER.
kenhotlanta
December 20th, 2012
4:27 pm
cornjolio: Millwood has won 94 games on mostly bad teams and averaged 172 innings per year in the 10 years since leaving here and that includes only 54 innings in 2011. Estrada was an All Star once and was out of baseball 4 years after coming here.
Efrim
December 20th, 2012
4:29 pm
And I’ll add big prospect trade during the offseason. I do count Nate McLouth in 2009 as a legit prospect trade. Don’t feel that way about the Bourn or Uggla deals – which were steals and probably should be included anyway….
kenhotlanta
December 20th, 2012
4:31 pm
Estrada was a wimp who didn’t like getting hit.
single white dove
December 20th, 2012
4:35 pm
I thought who’s playing first base….
single white dove
December 20th, 2012
4:35 pm
I thought who’s playing first base….
VaBravesFan
December 20th, 2012
4:37 pm
Our position player prospects are pretty bad.
TennesseePaul
December 20th, 2012
4:37 pm
Javier Vazquez in 2008
Really? You viewed Jon Gilmore, Santos Rodriguez, Tyler Flowers and Brent Lillibridge as a “big prospect” trade? I’d push that title back to Teixeira. I don’t think Wren has ever had a “big prospect” trade.
Lillibridge was the only notable in that deal and he was barely a notable. Squeaked into the top 100 at #93.
brian
December 20th, 2012
4:37 pm
klaw – not in a good mood today it does not seem like
he also loves to slam everybody. Seems too much like a know it all. Has his favorites but short of those everybody gets slammed or ignored
VaBravesFan
December 20th, 2012
4:41 pm
Do we even have a guy who is projected to be a everyday guy in the majors that will hit? Seems like we have a good amount of guys who are athletic with speed and defense, but are questionable as hitters in the Bigs. Also it has to be pretty alarming that Gattis is a top 10 prospect.
RC
December 20th, 2012
4:44 pm
Really? You viewed Jon Gilmore, Santos Rodriguez, Tyler Flowers and Brent Lillibridge as a “big prospect” trade? I’d push that title back to Teixeira. I don’t think Wren has ever had a “big prospect” trade.
Lillibridge was the only notable in that deal and he was barely a notable. Squeaked into the top 100 at #93.
I disagree. At the time, Flowers was a very significant prospect in the deal, since it came after the year when everyone thought he was going to be the next Saltalamacchia (who at the time, we still thought was going to be the next McCann).
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 20th, 2012
4:44 pm
prime time for the Braves to strike and overpay in trade.
I tried to get you on board with a Teheran for Choo swap…
Lew
December 20th, 2012
4:45 pm
cornjoilio – and if you’d like to check, I corrected myself to 95 a minute later.
Lew
December 20th, 2012
4:45 pm
cornjoilio – and if you’d like to check, I corrected myself to 95 a minute later.
Lew
December 20th, 2012
4:47 pm
I wish they’d fix this damned site – double posts and it took five Internal Server error messages just to log on to this blog – not to mention the time between pages.
DAP
December 20th, 2012
4:47 pm
TOBF I tried to get you on board with a Teheran for Choo swap
yeah, efrim. this is all your fault.
Brava
December 20th, 2012
4:47 pm
The Fake Ned @TheFakeNed
End of the world tomorrow. Only roaches and Jeff Francouer will survive.
ChattTownBrian
December 20th, 2012
4:50 pm
Fans are getting the run around again by the Braves. Big surprise! Will they or won’t they? Honestly think the way Wren got jerked around with the Peavy and the Furcal situations had him still a little paranoid. I’ve been messaging one of my friends who’s a HUGE Braves fan on Facebook off and on for two months. We almost just keep repeating ourselves almost to the point we’re both a little frustrated.
Oh and I like to think of me and him as positive fans. I know he is way more than, so this doesn’t just effect the constant negatives.
AZBravoFan
December 20th, 2012
4:50 pm
I realize Evan Gattis is not supposed to be a glove man, but didn’t we win a World Series with Ryan Klesko patrolling LF?
RC
December 20th, 2012
4:50 pm
Our position player prospects are pretty bad.
Part of me wonders if the Braves are TOO in love with pitching…at least when it comes to drafts.
For instance, when the Braves originally drafted Simmons, it was as a PITCHER, not a shortstop. Simmons basically had to request that he at least be given the chance to prove he could be a shortstop as a professional.
Another former top prospect who recently playing 1st for the World Champs, Brandon Belt was also a Braves draftee back in 2007. What did the Braves draft him as? LHP.
http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/team/draft.jsp?c_id=atl&year=2007
Murph
December 20th, 2012
4:51 pm
part of me thinks this is the prime time for the Braves to strike and overpay in trade.
Agreed. I can see why they didn’t, but I also look a few years into the future and am scared about the team’s ability to compete given the rising costs of FA’s and trades. Would have been nice to go all-in this season…. or get some high-ceiling guys that could have helped carry the team in a year or two (Myers, Olt, etc).
Heath
December 20th, 2012
4:51 pm
I’ll just say that I don’t hate McCann, personally or professionally. If given the choice, I like to have him AND premium players at other positions. Since the Braves have committed big money to Upton (big because it is between 15%-20% of the team’s salary) and because they’d love to have Heyward and Freeman in their future plans too… after a while, the Braves just can’t afford to have pay big dollars to a catcher and keep payroll roughly what it has been.
Rick C
December 20th, 2012
4:52 pm
The site has been working relatively better for me the past two or three days.
Lew
December 20th, 2012
4:52 pm
cornjolio – You mean they’ll put Betancourt in there instead of extending McCann and spend the money to get a legitimate LFer like they did this year?
It’s been almost 20 years since they went with a defensive oriented catcher who couldn’t hit. I’m betting Mac signs an extension, but for less money that most believe he will.
Parkway
December 20th, 2012
4:52 pm
Couch Tater- (from yesterday)
No problem! Glad to share some good tunes with ya!
nolie
December 20th, 2012
4:53 pm
and the topic when you jumped in this conversation was walks. upton and uggla and very similar walk rates, around 11%….DAP
I jumped in? My original comment much earlier dealt with OBP differences as pertained to hitting them second
YOU replied to that saying that I was only looking at the last year. I just replied above showing 4 years or results not one. I don’t know what debate you were having with others about what, but I damn sure did not jump into it, So shove that crap,
I answered your argument that you posted about my comment. and if you really don’t see the four year difference you need some glasses or something
RC
December 20th, 2012
4:55 pm
I realize Evan Gattis is not supposed to be a glove man, but didn’t we win a World Series with Ryan Klesko patrolling LF?
Yes. We also had 3 HOF pitchers in the rotation, a HOF 3rd baseman, and a borderline HOF 1st baseman (in addition to the best hitting catcher in team history).
In addition to all that, I’d argue that Gattis would be lucky to put up the type of offensive numbers that Klesko did.
Not saying Gattis is a bad option, or that the team can’t win with him in LF. Just saying that it’s ridiculous to make a comparison like you did above when there are hundreds of variables that have changed from 1995 to 2013.
ChattTownBrian
December 20th, 2012
4:57 pm
“End of the world tomorrow”
Don’t start that sh**.
DAP
December 20th, 2012
4:57 pm
nolie My original comment much earlier dealt with OBP differences as pertained to hitting them second
you must have misunderstood. no one ever suggested that either player hit 2nd. ever. that kind of misunderstanding is what happens when jump in during the middle of a convo, and act like you know whats going on.
Heath
December 20th, 2012
4:59 pm
“Yes. We also had 3 HOF pitchers in the rotation, a HOF 3rd baseman, and a borderline HOF 1st baseman”
When you say things like that, I think back to winning only one title and shake my head a little…
nolie
December 20th, 2012
5:00 pm
Lillibridge was the only notable in that deal and he was barely a notable. Squeaked into the top 100 at #93…10P
how soon they forget. we argued for a day and a half about them giving up Flowers who had just torn up the AFL setting power records. The blog was alive with vitriol about that trade
VaBravesFan
December 20th, 2012
5:02 pm
Ryan Klesko was a damn good player, Career batting line 279/370/500
1996-2005 Average Season in the 11 year span.
138 Games 278/372/497 28 Doubles 23 Homers 82 RBI
I’m willing to bet that Gattis doesn’t sniff that type of production.
JasonInFL
December 20th, 2012
5:02 pm
Wonder if Frank has at least checked in with Swish? Be nice to have a switch-hitter in the middle of the lineup. Still can’t believe the Yanks got him for Betemit.
kenhotlanta
December 20th, 2012
5:02 pm
Brava, off topic, but aren’t you in the service?
DAP
December 20th, 2012
5:02 pm
RC (in addition to the best hitting catcher in team history
brian mccann wasnt on that team.
Mr Math
December 20th, 2012
5:04 pm
Lew, If Millwood won 94 games in seasons, thats 9.4 wins a season. Nothing worth writing home about.
Phil Niekro & Nolan Ryan won over 300 games on mostly horrendous teams.
Lew, what is your point ?
Estrada was hurt when he left the Braves, and never fully recovered after his concussion. The Braves did not miss Millwood after he left.
Murph
December 20th, 2012
5:04 pm
1. Prado
2. Uggla or Upton
3. Heyward
4. Upton or Uggla
5. Freeman
6. Francisco
7. BMac
8. Simmons
nolie
December 20th, 2012
5:04 pm
Enter your comments here
Heath
December 20th, 2012
5:08 pm
Murph:
If given a choice of only those two lineups… I’d go with Uggla in the 2-hole because of his OBP. Speed be darned, Braves don’t do it that often anyway, and the percentage of steals leading directly to runs isn’t all that high.
ChattTownBrian
December 20th, 2012
5:10 pm
“Enter your comments here” nolie
Best thing you’ve said all day.
nolie
December 20th, 2012
5:10 pm
DAP 10:49
nolie why would you put Upton with his crappy OBP at second ahead of Uggla who actually has a much higher one.
youre just looking at 2012. upton and uggla have pretty similar OBP for thier careers. i think they are the same type of hitters, and can be interchangeable in this lineup, honestly
Now you f’in tell me again what the hell happened jackass. I damn sure didn’t misunderstand or jump in without knowing what the hell I am talking about. you are pretty young for such a terrible memory
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 20th, 2012
5:12 pm
JIM BOWDEN @JimBowdenESPNxm
We asked Dexter Fowler about a possible trade to the Braves & he told us that that Geivett told him that it would take A LOT to get him #Duh
JIM BOWDEN @JimBowdenESPNxm
Dexter Fowler told us on #SXM that Rockies GM Bill Geivett told him that it would take a lot in return for them to trade him to the Braves
kenhotlanta
December 20th, 2012
5:12 pm
Mr Math: Those were my comments and you obviously didn’t read the whole posts: the point was not his wins (as he was pitching for bad teams), but he eat innings as a starter and the Braves were not able to replace that for a long time. If Maddox had kept his word, we would not have had to trade Millwood at the last minute and for whomever we could get.
To say that “The Braves did not miss Millwood after he left” is ludicrous and not even close to the facts.
Murph
December 20th, 2012
5:12 pm
Heath, I was just trying to stoke the nolie vs DAP fire… I don’t think Uggla or Upton belong hitting 2nd. That’s Prado’s, at least until he leaves after this season.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 20th, 2012
5:13 pm
JIM BOWDEN @JimBowdenESPNxm
We asked Dexter Fowler about a possible trade to the Braves & he told us that that Geivett told him that it would take A LOT to get him #Duh
JIM BOWDEN @JimBowdenESPNxm
Dexter Fowler told us on #SXM that Rockies GM Bill Geivett told him that it would take a lot in return for them to trade him to the Braves
A lot… our prospects sukk
Efrim
December 20th, 2012
5:14 pm
Lillibridge was the only notable in that deal and he was barely a notable. Squeaked into the top 100 at #93
I disagree. I think Tyler Flowers was a legit prospect at the time. We haven’t had a trade like that in an offseason in a while. In fact, Wren made two trades within 7 months from eachother giving up Tyler Flowers, Brent Lillibridge, Jon Gilmore, Santos Rodriguez, Jeff Locke, Gorkys Hernandez and Charlie Morton.
That was a long friggin time ago and four of those prospects were legit at the time. 3.5-4 years ago. And I’m THE prospect hugger, but I think he hasn’t been aggressive enough and I think he should of used that pitching currency beyond Tommy Hanson to acquire a LF(still could). I get it…. now we are lacking depth. But I say f!ck it and go sign a 5th starter type with a third or half of the $10 million we have sitting around. Capitalize on that pitching prospect currency and let’s get ourselves a legit LF. Concerned about leaving Teheran or Delgado in as the only 5th starter option? Go sign a veteran arm to pitch out of that spot. They’re out there.
phil
December 20th, 2012
5:14 pm
Gattis….lol
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 20th, 2012
5:15 pm
Prado, Uggla, Heyward, Upton, Freeman, Francisco/Gattis, McCann, Simmons
That’s my pick, since Upton HAS to hit 4th (contract, sock, thunder, etc.)
phil
December 20th, 2012
5:17 pm
nolie exhibiting Christmas cheer towards some poor bast*rd….
lol
Efrim
December 20th, 2012
5:17 pm
Keith Law ranked Tyler Flowers as the #51 prospect in January 2009 of Top 100 prospects – the White Sox 2nd highest ranked prospect.
nolie
December 20th, 2012
5:19 pm
man I wish I could get back to that trade here , the entire blog went ape-crap over that trade, mostly because of Flowers AFL mashings, but Lilli was brought up too.
VaBravesFan
December 20th, 2012
5:19 pm
Plenty of veteran starters who will be cheap, I like Efrim’s idea. But here’s my lineups.
vs LHP
3B Prado
LF Johnson
RF Heyward
CF Upton
1B Freeman
2B Uggla
C McCann
SS Simmons
vs RHP
LF Prado
SS Simmons
RF Heyward
1B Freeman
CF Upton
C McCann
2B Uggla
3B Francisco
Heath
December 20th, 2012
5:22 pm
Murph:
Gotcha. Though, I don’t dislike Prado leading off for this team (current roster).
nolie
December 20th, 2012
5:22 pm
call me a liar or a fool phil, and you sure are not gonna get Christmas, or any other kind of cheer
even Random never found anything that I said happened on the blog to be wrong
great memory + anal tendencies
Efrim
December 20th, 2012
5:22 pm
Law also ranked Jeff Locke and Gorkys Hernandez as Top 100 prospects that January 2009. Hernandez as #88 and Locke as #97.
Mixxo
December 20th, 2012
5:22 pm
nolie’s about ‘this’ far away from getting reported again.
nolie
December 20th, 2012
5:24 pm
Lillibridge and B Jones were also ranked highly back in those days. we were world beaters fur shur