8:35 pm December 18, 2012, by David O'Brien
December 18th, 20128:39 pm
DOB is the man!
December 18th, 20128:43 pm
Yes he is… Thanks for the update!
December 18th, 20128:44 pm
Killer Mike doesn’t get enough love from the hip hop community, let alone the baseball beat writer community. Props for giving him the credit he deserves.
Thank you TOBF
December 18th, 20128:45 pm
Because nobody knows rap music like a middle aged, white, baseball beat writer.
December 18th, 20128:46 pm
good list DOB. Love Gattis.
Big KRIT’s Live from the Underground doesn’t get an honorable mention, though?
Nova Scotia Steve
December 18th, 20128:48 pm
Merry Christmas DOB,
Just a lonely Braves fan, hoping for a LF’er for XMAS and trying to survive all this Blue Jay pandemonium in Canada.
The “fans” are crawling out of the sewer around this place.
Nova Scotia Steve
I think we will have a pretty solid lineup for 2013.
who ARE most of those folks???
December 18th, 20128:54 pm
not a problem, nolie
Mejia seems like he could be a special guy… hope he gets the opportunity to start somewhere one day
December 18th, 20128:55 pm
great, comprehensive list, dob. really very highly recommend a couple of releases from this year that were rereleases of albums on smaller labels from 2011.
hiss golden messenger’s “poor moon.”
mount moriah’s “mount moriah”
If Johnny picked .5 bushels of apples a day over the entire apple season, and Suzie picked .4 bushels of apples a day during the season, how many apples a day did they pick during the season together?
ANSWER: .9 bushels, because .5 plus .4 equals .9.
December 18th, 20128:57 pm
“I think we will have a pretty solid lineup for 2013.”
I think it will pretty up and down. I think Prado, Heyward, and Freeman will be consistently solid. Uggla, Upton, and Francisco will look good at times and horrible at times. Simmons will probably go through some growing pains, but be fairly dependable. And McCann remains a mystery until we see how healthy he is.
Given the solid pitching, the offense should be enough for them to win more than they lose, but the games will be mostly low scoring and close, as has been the Braves mantra the past few years.
Thanks for new blog!!!!!!!!!
nolie, it’s very simple.
If one guy has an OPS of .800, and the other guy has on OPS of .700, it totals 1.500.
It’s called arithmetic.
Mejia has a bit of age on him, but I have never seen him play so I have no idea whether he is now the real deal or not. I wondered last season why he was not on the 40 man, I hope they give him a real shot at making the big team
December 18th, 20128:59 pm
George Foreman’s Ten Children
1. Natalie Foreman
2. Michi Foreman
3. Leona Foreman
4. Freeda George Foreman
5. George Edward Foreman Jr
6. George Edward Foreman III
7. George Edward Foreman IV
8. George Edward Foreman V
9. George Edward Foreman VI
10. Georgetta Foreman
December 18th, 20129:00 pm
DOB bumps to Kendrick? Props!
forget it dude you are talking meaningless crap. you can average them but there is no way in hell that the average will go 150 points either way.
December 18th, 20129:03 pm
WOW! 17 comments and no Wren bashing yet! Wonder how long this will last?
Gattis just hit number 13
aha, do he did George-up some of the girls too huh?
December 18th, 20129:06 pm
The team will be good, but could of been so much more with a player like Choo hitting leadoff and playing LF. Friggin shame.
“Dude,” I’m not averaging them, I’M ADDING THEM. It’s the “+” sign on your calculator.
Look, let’s drop it. Compared to you, I’m a newbie here. You say tons of brilliant things in your posts.
Let’s go on to something else. I lost my temper, OK?
It looks as though he starting losing patience on having a boy, on girl #4, naming her Freeda George.
After that, he just kinda went berserk!
December 18th, 20129:07 pm
C’est la vie
Enquiring Minds Want To Know
December 18th, 20129:08 pm
Graham Parker is still alive? And working?
December 18th, 20129:10 pm
you can not meaningfully add percentages, you could add total bases perhaps as an indicator if you wanted, that would have some meaning
December 18th, 20129:11 pm
The team will be good, but could of been so much more with a player like Choo hitting leadoff and playing LF. Friggin shame. — Efrim
The only problem with that, Efrim, is that you don’t know what Wren would have had to give up to GET Choo.
see y’all later. I’m done
December 18th, 20129:13 pm
profitez des bons moments, mon ami
Braves Fan for 55 yrs
December 18th, 20129:15 pm
have the Braves written off Jordan Schafer bcs he left handed, whats the reason?
Great blog as always. Amazing collection and assortment do music as well. How do you find the time to listen to all those albums with your insane schedule?
December 18th, 20129:16 pm
What was last year’s starting 8 OPS? Average of the 8, not total… or give me the total, I’ll figure out the average.
December 18th, 20129:17 pm
Let’s reflect on a way to compare offensive production 2013 to 2012. Maybe something simple, like total team run production? And then reconvene later.
I was sincere about all the smart things you say. Your “banishment” was an arid time here.
DOB – Never figured you for a Baroness fan. No love for the new Blackstone Cherry? I love that Southern Metal.
December 18th, 20129:18 pm
Gimme a sec.
If the pitching is as good as we hope, starters and pen, I’m not too concerned about going with the team as-is. Especially with the possibility of Gattis and Mejia on the 25 man roster. The pen looks like it could be even better than last year. The rotation… well, I’ll feel better when Beachy is back at full strength which probably won’t be until ‘14. Club looks competitive to me, especially with Simmons contributing from day 1.
What Old Man is trying to say (I think) is that the team OPS will go up by .019.
150/8 = 18.75
Always extra credit if you show your work.
December 18th, 20129:19 pm
Thank you for sharing your album lists and for the blog, DOB.
The only albums I own from your lists are Alabama Shakes and Bonnie Raitt. I’ll give the others a listen, though.
For anyone who likes old-style rock (like from the 70s), I highly recommend Black Country Communion’s album Afterglow. It’s very reminiscent of Zeppelin. In fact, Jason Bonham, John’s son, is the drummer.
Braves Fan for 55 years: Have the Braves written off Jordan Schafer bcs he left handed, whats the reason?
I’d say he just hasn’t played well enough to stay in the majors. He’s striking out way to much. Another prospect who hasn’t lived up to the hype.
By the end of the season in Houston – he was benched. Think about that for a few minutes – in Houston.
Nova Scotia Pat
December 18th, 20129:20 pm
I hear ya Steve
December 18th, 20129:21 pm
That’s what I was gonna add… 18.75
old man & nolie are arguing semantics
December 18th, 20129:24 pm
Thanks DOB. Needed a Braves fix. Hope Oso Blanco gets his shot. He deserves it, been keeping close track on him.
And Mejia should get a shot too as back up 1B. Guy’s been tearing it up. Would really have liked if both of those guys had gotten September call ups over guys like Lyle Overbay.
December 18th, 20129:26 pm
They aren’t mentioning Schaefer much because he’s not very good. He’s competing with Constanza for the 25th position on the roster, or both of them might get beaten out.
December 18th, 20129:27 pm
Also, being a big Dylan fan, gotta say, Tempest is AMAZING! Best album I’ve heard from Dylan in a while. Liked his last two, but Tempest was Dylan at his best. The titular song is like Desolation Row part II.
Have the Braves written off Jordan Schafer bcs he left handed, whats the reason?
Cause he’s a pothead with a PED background who can’t hit.
December 18th, 20129:29 pm
Can somebody give the link to Venezuelan league games that Gattis and Mejia are playing in tonight? Thanks.
The only problem with that, Efrim, is that you don’t know what Wren would have had to give up to GET Choo.
Totally. Just thinkinh hoe cool it would of been if we got him. Stacked lineup with Mac in there after a few weeks in April. Top 3 offense in the league, no doubt, imo.
December 18th, 20129:31 pm
Here are 2012 ATL starting 8 OPS:
My point is, add them up. Then 12 months from now make up a 2013 list, with BJ for Bourn, and ? for Chipper. Gattis? Platoon? Francisco? Bourjos? The 2013 starting 8 will total at least 150 higher. Or, I could be totally full of crap. Just ask my wife.
For example, if 7 guys had the exact same OPS, but the 8th guy was 150 points higher. That would be 150 higher in the aggregate. Or, all the same except 3 spots, and those three had 50 higher each. Or any combination that gets you 150 extra points over 2012.
It’s just an expression of my overall sense that we will do a decent amount better than last year offensively, that’s all.
December 18th, 20129:33 pm
All God’s children have problems.
December 18th, 20129:34 pm
Enquiring minds, yes 18-19 OPS points per starting 8.
I hated that “show your work” crap in high school.
Upton will OPS about the same as what Bourn did…
December 18th, 20129:35 pm
I hear you… but I suspect the Indians wanted one of our starters. With Beachy out until mid-season, and Hanson already traded… that would’ve put to much hope on BOTH Teheran & DelGado.
December 18th, 20129:36 pm
There’s absolutely ZERO chance the Braves get a player that can get even close to Chipper’s OPS.
December 18th, 20129:37 pm
Great list! I look forward to it. I would add m ward, Mumford and the new sound garden. The new sebadoh ep was great also…
Whether you classify it as a reissue or not if the world’s greatest rock and roll band puts out an album it has to be on any top list. The two new songs on it is far better than anything else out there.
December 18th, 20129:39 pm
Appreciate the blog and the well thought out end of year list. I’m actually fairly stunned that Wrecking Ball didn’t get into your Top 50. Not that I care how you rank ‘em obviously, just honestly genuinely surprised given what you’ve shared about your taste in the past and the quality of that album.
I figure we’ll have a higher achieved average OPS at SS and C than last year by healthier seasons from Simmons and McCann.
Can somebody give the link to Venezuelan league games that Gattis and Mejia are playing in tonight?
If I’m not mistaken, they’re playing in the Dominican Republic now.
December 18th, 20129:42 pm
You are probably right. But I think the aggregate starting 8 could very likely exceed the OBP of last year’s staring 8.
A lot of the pessimism here is based on ALL of the following:
Uggla will stink again
McCann will stink again
Francisco will fail
Gattis will fail
Reed Johnson will fail
Bonifacio, if we acquire him will fail
Bourjos, if we acquire him will fail
BJ Upton will not improve
Anyone we get for LF will fail
I just don’t think all of those things will happen.
December 18th, 20129:43 pm
all while being worth fewer runs thanBourn for the season, having a value nearly equivalent to 4 months of Mikey B
Fire Wren!! Had to say it.
Braves Fan for 55 years
Schafer was injured for most of 2012 season and that is the reason for his sub par numbers. Here are just three of his injuries. Hopefully this will explain why he didn’t play much. He still stole 26 bases for 6th place in NL stolen base leaders.
Jordan Schafer Injury: Houston Astros Center Fielder Sprains His Ankle Against Texas Rangers
By Brandon K. Scott on May 20, 2:20p
Houston Astros center fielder Jordan Schafer will miss the series finale against the Texas Rangers on Sunday with a sprained ankle.
Houston Astros center fielder is out of the lineup in Sunday’s series finale of the interleague matchup with the in-state rival Texas Rangers after spraining his ankle trying to rundown a fly ball in Saturday’s 6-5 victory.
The x-ray Schafer underwent came out negative, but Justin Maxwell will still play center field in his place on Sunday as the Astros look to take a series win over the best team in baseball. Ironically, Maxwell is the one Schafer avoided a collision with on Saturday when the two outfielders pursued a fly ball that neither of them was able to catch.
Since Maxwell is moving over to replace Schafer in center field, Brian Bogusevic will play in right field.
Schafer will undergo further tests on Monday to determine the seriousness of the ankle injury.
7 AUG 2012
HOUSTON — The Astros have placed center fielder Jordan Schafer on the 15-day disabled list with a left shoulder injury.
Schafer begin having problems with his shoulder this weekend and doctors determined he has a separation of the AC joint in his left shoulder.
The Astros selected the contract of outfielder Brandon Barnes from Triple-A Oklahoma City to take his spot. Barnes, a 26-year-old who was drafted in 2005, had never played in the majors.
Schafer, who was acquired from Atlanta last summer in the trade for Michael Bourn, is hitting .216 with four homers and 23 RBIs in 96 games. His 26 stolen bases are tied for sixth in the National League.
Astros | Jordan Schafer unable to swing
Thu, 20 Sep 2012 11:08:44 -0700
Houston Astros OF Jordan Schafer (shoulder) is still unable to lift his arm over his head and has been limited to pinch-hitting duties since Sept. 9. “It’s slowly gotten better, but it’s not to the point to where I can really do anything yet,” Schafer said. “I’ve tried the last couple of days, but it still bothers me and I haven’t even tried to swing yet. It was getting better until I dove in Cincinnati and I landed awkward again, and it hasn’t gotten (completely) better.”
Houston Astros OF Jordan Schafer (shoulder) aggravated his shoulder injury attempting to make a diving catch Sunday, Sept. 9, according to interim manager Tony DeFrancesco. “We’re going to have to keep an eye on him and see where he’s at,” DeFrancesco said.
I understood your point. For some reason, nolie didn’t want to add the averages.
There’s a lot wrong with adding them up (# of games played & stuff), but as long as you’re just saying something on a blog…
The AVERAGE of the totals you gave me is 769.75
The AVERAGE of 150 pts higher w/start 8 = 18.75
So, if the AVERAGE of the starting 8 in 2013 = 788.5…. They’ll be 150 points higher!
December 18th, 20129:46 pm
Wilson, they cut him. If they thought it was due to injuries he’d still be an astro
December 18th, 20129:49 pm
It’s unknown how many more wins that equals. Depends on pitching, eh? But it’s why I tend, just a bit, to the optimistic side, regardless of the solution at LF/3B.
Nice blog but as usual I have only heard of about 15 of the artists listed including honorable mention. A rap artist #1? Seriously? That’s cool but as you often say….just ain’t my thing.
Sonny boy he was placed on waivers just like EOF was and the Braves claimed him. Great character assassination you jerk
December 18th, 20129:50 pm
If you can’t be optimistic THIS time of year, when can you be?
Why i have lost faith in this team’s front office:
1. Replaced Bourn with Upton which makes this team better in terms of RBIs but worse in terms of avg with RISP ( an alarming defenciency that any decent GM would be forced to deal with). Wren wrote it off last year as a unconventional slump and made no changes. When the abysmal clutch hitting continued this season we went out and got a .211 hitter with RISP. I just don’t get it.
2. The Braves lost their best clutch hitter in Chipper Jones (a switch hitter) but claim they will be “satisfied” using what we already have for LF (And yes…Upton replaces Bourn…not Chipper). How on earth does this address the problems we saw this season?
3. LHP dominated this team the last two years yet Wren and Co. have ignored the numbers and refused to make adjustments. ( evident by the pursuits of Choo, Revere, Span and now Either). How can you say picking up an everyday LF who bats left is not that big of a deal? Again, this baffles me.
It just seems like management ignores the glaring weaknesses of the team and refuses to buy into what the statistics show. It’s like Wren is trying to prove the Sabermetrics folks wrong?
I just don’t get it.
I like where we are pitching-wise but Wren needs help.
December 18th, 20129:51 pm
Schafer was placed on Waivers unknown to you Pocket Protector boy
December 18th, 20129:52 pm
If Schafer continues to swing so hard and insists on trying to hit HRs and balls to the gap along with striking out so much, he’ll be out of baseball as a player sooner an later. If he can become a contact hitter that will draw walks and utilize his speed he can stick. I doubt he’ll try to do that.
December 18th, 20129:54 pm
There are 3 or 4 (or more) permutations of the LF/3B solution. Even if we don’t trade for or buy the best on the market, we’ll utilize the best permutation we end up with. And, even if it’s mediocre, the other 7 will average out high enough to bring the group of 8 up. That’s my thinking.
December 18th, 20129:55 pm
I understood your point. For some reason, nolie didn’t want to add the averages. Tom
percentages are only meaningful to what they are percentages of. an 800 OPS for Heyward with 570 at bats, has no meaning when added to a 720 OPS for Upton with 660 at bats. It is not semantics it is the essence of percentages.
now you can go back to the raw data of all the players involved and figure a group OPS, but simply adding their separate OPS together is not gonna get you there.
I am surprised there are so many here who do not recognize that mathematical axiom
Old Man — Thanks for the link…
December 18th, 20129:57 pm
You spice it up pretty good DOB, but the Braves will miss Bourn as a lead off more than you think. The Braves do not have a table setter in the lead off and the offense will definitely suffer.
Mark it down.
It is natural for most Braves fans in the sunny South to hope for the best, or maybe more than the best, from their players. Some will unnaturally hate their players. The truth about these players lies somewhere in-between, which means that the Braves, as has been the case for 54 of the last 55 years, probably won’t be winning the World Series in 2013. Therefore, what is the point in going to the mattresses to defend or condemn these guys? They aren’t worth the effort. Not a single damn one of them.
(Hell, Chipper was the only guy who had earned that kind of loyalty and, well, I think Rick Pitino would agree that Chipper ain’t hobbling through that door anymore.)
December 18th, 20129:59 pm
You failed to recognize the other part of that same post. “It’s just a comment on a blog” Geeze, man
If the LF/3B solution (one guy? platoon?) ends up with over 780-785 OPS, that’s all gravy over 2012 . . . probably. I think 780-785 OPS from the 8th mystery man (or men) is attainable.
December 18th, 201210:00 pm
Try this link for the Venezuelan Winter League. Looks like there are transmission problems updating the game Gattis repotedly homered in tonight for number 13 according to my contact there.
DOB. Interesting list, always a pleasure to read. I’m a little surprised Wrecking Ball didn’t make the 50 list. I seem to remember you ranking Working on a Dream high and I consider WB to be much better.
I am a Jerry Lee Lewis fan…what is the name of the live album you mentioned? I’m pleasantly surprised he is still capable of making a good live album.
December 18th, 201210:04 pm
it was a comment on which a bet was proposed, therefor the correct approach needs to be used to insure that the right side wins. who would wager on something so imprecise ?
December 18th, 201210:07 pm
Who would wager on a blog?
December 18th, 201210:10 pm
folks do, and to show my age I think a lot of what is wrong with the US anymore is the idea that details don’t matter . close enough sukks IMO, it damn sure did to the greatest generation
Me if someone thinks the Braves will win a World Series under Wren’s watch.
December 18th, 201210:12 pm
With Upton signed, the pressure is off the Braves for now. They can afford to go into the season to see what they have. If not, they have over $10M free and a few prospects for trade. Let’s see how Prado, Costanza, Shafer, Francisco and at least one more backup will meld together toward the 3B, LF leadoff needs.
December 18th, 201210:13 pm
nolie, lighten up my well respected fellow blogger. The lack of movement from the Front Office leaves everyone with little to talk about, regarding baseball at least. :/
December 18th, 201210:14 pm
OK, you win, nolie
I think you Majored in Meticulous Math, in college…
But I, also, think, your Minor was Old Curmudgeon.
December 18th, 201210:15 pm
I think a lot of what is wrong with the US anymore is the idea that details don’t matter.
If only I had waited a little longer before posting my last comment…
That’s so true…
December 18th, 201210:16 pm
Sorry if you have answered this question before but I was wondering if the braves had thought about trading for asdrubal cabrera and playing him at 3rd? If the braves had interest, what would the cost be?
December 18th, 201210:17 pm
I have never denied being a curmudgeon or an old f@rt I might be too meticulous for the current time but it is something that I believe in
December 18th, 201210:19 pm
guess I better go take a blood pressure pill b4 I blow a fuse . off again
December 18th, 201210:20 pm
T-Dawg…..I think the Braves are in good shape or will be. The key is keeping Prado full time at 3rd. Prado is an upgrade over Chipper no question about it and regardless of how valuable a player Prado is because of his versatility we need a solid everyday 3rd baseman. Prado gives us that. Wren flat out said he did not want to play Prado in LF and that his best position is 3rd. That is debatable with 2nd base but you get the picture. Platooning Prado in LF is not going to make the team better and I don’t care what anyone says it is tough to be bounced around positions. Wren will find a LF or Gattis and Johnson might just be nice out there too.
Upton. Let me just say this. The Braves were looking for RH power to upgrade a weak hitting OF. Resigning Bourn was never the answer unless you see something I don’t. Upton can get you 30 dingers with above average D. His average was low but Bourn was horrible too with few homers. The fact Bourn is still on the market is no shock. We upgraded in CF no doubt. Guess we will see.
For me, Uggla and Mac are the cogs. We need rebound years from them. The Braves go nowhere without them playing better. We are a LF trade away from a real good team. Maybe Gattis is the answer.
December 18th, 201210:22 pm
I can appreciate meticulousness…. I’m anal that way, at least, most of the time.
Trying to get those stats just right, though, would mean, what…?
Taking away all the pitchers ABs, PHs ABs, anyone that came into the game that got an AB that didn’t start…
Maybe there’s a site that has, just, the starters OPS. But, otherwise, good luck trying to figure that out, accurately.
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