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eskippy
December 14th, 2012
7:51 pm
Frank say who don’t want the skin off they chicken? I ain’t gonna spend no money.
Oventbrel
December 14th, 2012
7:59 pm
Dumb has it right, Trumbo mashes HRs but Bourjos is the better and most likely cheaper option. He would lead off and establish arguably the best defensive outfield in baseball.
Norris Chuck
December 14th, 2012
8:32 pm
8 | Comments
The Braves have Angels outfielder Mark Trumbo on their “radar” according to David O’Brien of The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.
The Braves have been in the market for a corner outfielder all offseason to fill a gap in the field left by Chipper Jones’ retirement. If the Braves did acquire Trumbo, Martin Prado would move to third base with Juan Francisco either heading to the bench or to the trade market. Prado played 119 games in left field this past season but has widely been assumed to be Jones’ replacement at third.
Trumbo, 26, hit .268/.317/.491 (126 OPS+) last season and has 61 home runs in his first two major-league seasons. After beginning his major-league career at first base, the Angels transitioned him to third base and then the outfield for 2012. He played 67 games in left field and 45 in right field for Los Angeles last season.
For more up-to-the-minute news and analysis on the latest rumors from bloggers Chris Cwik, Jack Moore and R.J. White, follow @MLBRumorsCBS.
Yuuup
December 14th, 2012
8:50 pm
I would take either of the Angels OF guys on this team. Now on to a sadder note. That killing spree today on those poor innocent childrend just makes me sick to my stomach. That was one messed up individual to kill his own mother then to kill a bunch of 6 year old kids. Lucky that pathetic mother f’er killed himself, otherwise he would have been somebody’s bit@h in prison.
Comfortably Dumb
December 14th, 2012
9:30 pm
Not the place for that kind of serious discussion, Yuuup.
Yuuup
December 14th, 2012
9:39 pm
I hear ya man, but as a father to a very young son myself, I can only state how I would feel if this happened to me.
Steve
December 14th, 2012
9:46 pm
Wren ought to be in the Braves’ lineup. He swings and misses a lot.
Mr Pitts
December 14th, 2012
9:49 pm
Whats the WAR on Trumbo? Somebody post a 1000 word essay about our needs. Then somebody summarize it down to 50 words so I’ll read it.
dylan
December 14th, 2012
10:21 pm
@ pitts
basically, trumbo is a prototypical power hitter. lots of strikeouts, 30+ hrs, but in all honesty belongs at 1st base in terms of defense, and not in a freeman or pujols way, more like a prince fielder way
Ken Stallings
December 14th, 2012
10:27 pm
Folks,
It is practically speaking unheard of for truly mentally disturbed people, much less dangerous sociopaths such as this mass killer, to ever voluntarily reach out for help. The trend is that they don’t, and that they often refuse to even admit they have a mental issue.
If we want to get serious about stopping these psychopathic attacks, we have to give psychiatrists the same level of power they used to have to involuntarily commit mentally ill people to mental health detention facilities. As a society, we simply followed the pied piper’s tale of groups like the ACLU who took very isolated examples of questionable incarcirations and used them to denude psychiatrists of almost all power to commit mentally ill people to involuntary in-resident psychiatric care and treatment.
There are two prime reasons you allow psychiatrists these powers: to protect society and to protect the patient.
The common thread that wove through all of these recent mass murders is that they were all carried out by psychotic people who already had a documented history of mental illness but that the treating psychiatrists were hamstrung by ridiciulously difficult laws to commit them to involuntary in-patient mental health care.
Give back those medical decision making powers to psychiatrists and you will see these senseless attacks almost disappear.
Ken Stallings
December 14th, 2012
10:31 pm
Mark Trumbo would be an excellent acquisition for the Braves provided the price is reasonable. He would fill that position very nicely and give the Braves an excellent outfield. I would be willing to part with one of our top two pitching prospects for him.
philyphanatic
December 14th, 2012
10:35 pm
vernon wells thats going to be the big news. vernon wells is on franks list
julio franco
December 14th, 2012
10:43 pm
I have been working out with mark redmond in his basement and we are both well prepared and ready to play
bill smithers
December 15th, 2012
5:27 am
Folks when a team wins 94 games, someone has done something right. Wren gets the best team in place he can with the money he has. Whats the problem?
74bravesjersey
December 15th, 2012
8:51 am
Trumbo,Bonafacio,Hart,Hairston(superutility),anyone of the first 3, & Hairston, the Braves would engage w/ the Nats for the division I believe.
74bravesjersey
December 15th, 2012
8:55 am
Make 1 more strong move(Splash) Frank(Trumbo possibly)will gage it up against our rivals. Hairston would solidify the bench. I forgot Swisher(has alot of energy would be decent) if Trumbo can’t be packaged.
74bravesjersey
December 15th, 2012
8:58 am
Hearts & prayers out to those kids families in Conneticut. & the 6 adults families as well.
Nativebird
December 15th, 2012
9:01 am
Frank Wren just loves bench players.
bill smithers
December 15th, 2012
9:03 am
Skippy- I think he spends all he is able and tries to be very smart with what little he gets. Wish the government would budget our money half as well, as Wren does with his!
Steve
December 15th, 2012
9:21 am
Are there any backup utility infielders left for Frank to acquire?
Mr Pitts
December 15th, 2012
9:24 am
“@ pitts
basically, trumbo is a prototypical power hitter. lots of strikeouts, 30+ hrs, but in all honesty belongs at 1st base in terms of defense, and not in a freeman or pujols way, more like a prince fielder way”
Dylan, that’s what I’m talkin’ bout. Bottom line analysis, like you would hear in a meeting with a bunch of baseball scouts. This is what we need on here!
NORRIS
December 15th, 2012
9:36 am
trumbo is a real power hitter and only going to get better. Man would it be sweet to have him in our lineup.
Angel Eyes
December 15th, 2012
9:44 am
Would love for Wren to have me eat my words. Trumbo would be excellant choice. Time will tell but don’t count on him making the deal.
Joe Dirte (Formally J-Man)
December 15th, 2012
9:47 am
The Blue Jays are about to get R.A. Dickey…….I think with all they have done this offseason
Josh Johnson
Mark Bueherle
Jose Reyes
Emilio Bonificio
signing Melkey Cabera
and now R.A. Dickey
and combine that with a healthy Jose Bautista
and an improving Brent Lawrie
I think the Blue Jays have to be the favorits to win the AL especially considering the Yankees and Sox will be down.
Joe Dirte (Formally J-Man)
December 15th, 2012
9:49 am
DOB seriously with all the pitching the Jays have gotten you have to think they have to be the favorites because they have had on of the leagus best offenses for the past 4 or 5 years but could never turn that page because the Starting pitching was insufficient. Now that definately isnt question.
Steve
December 15th, 2012
9:53 am
Will someone please explain how with more money the Braves are less of a team than last year? I thought we had an all-world GM.
Joe Dirte (Formally J-Man)
December 15th, 2012
10:01 am
@ Steve…..Its not even on the GM.
Its all on Liberty Media they have took his purse and he isnt gonna spend on anyone. But I will say he did waste money on an injured, declining Catcher by picking up the $13 million option on Brian McCann because he is such a nice guy but they dont even care that he wont be available until May at the earliest. But the Braves might as well save their pennies because when they spend money it usually doesnt work out, McClouth, D BLOWE, Kawakami, and Uggla. But it was a smart move trading Hanson though because he is done.
Frank Wren
December 15th, 2012
10:17 am
I will wait until late march and then I’ll sign a bunch of rejects. They are usually over the hill, but they are cheap. At that time I can sign two .230 hitters for less than half the price of one. The way I figure it– that is much better than signing one high priced .460 hitter.
You bloggers should recognize my greatness.
I still like Donald Trump’s hair and Elvis had great hair too. Jimmy Johnson uses too much hair spray.
Steve
December 15th, 2012
10:18 am
Phillies sign MIKE ADAMS, this is FACT, PHILS LOST 16 GAMES LAST YEAR WITH THE LEAD AFTER 7 INNINGS, AND LOST DIV BY 10 GAMES, PROBLEM SOLVED ADAMS IN 8TH AND PAPALBON IN 9TH NO ONE SCORES IN THOSE INNINGS, PLUS YOU HAVE HOWARD AND UTLEY FOR THE WHOLE YEAR, SIGN EITHER CODY ROSS OR SWISHER TO GO ALONG WITH HAMELS, LEE AND HALLADAY WS HERE WE COME, AND YOU ATLANTA PUKES KNOW IT. PHILLIES 2013 WS CHAMPS BRAVES AND NATS 2013 CHUMPS !!!!!!!
Joe Dirte (Formally J-Man)
December 15th, 2012
10:22 am
@Steve Why do you love the CAPS BUTTON SOOOOOOO MUCH?
The Phillies will be better and the Nationals won be as lucky this year I see a close 3 team race with all 3 teams beating up on the Marlins and Mets. I wouldnt be shocked if the NL East has 3 playoff teams
Steve
December 15th, 2012
10:25 am
PHILLIES NEED 2 SIGN CODY ROSS AGREED????? HE HITS GREAT AT CITIZENS BANK PARK, REGARDING CAPS STOP BICHING YOU SOUND LIKE A OLD CRANKY WOMAN!!!!!!
Steve
December 15th, 2012
10:27 am
PHILLIES NEED 2 SIGN CODY ROSS AGREED????? HE HITS GREAT AT CITIZENS BANK PARK, REGARDING CAPS STOP COMPLAINING YOU SOUND LIKE A OLD CRANKY WOMAN!!!!!!
Joe Dirte (Formally J-Man)
December 15th, 2012
10:31 am
So you like to use Caps and you double post…………Your getting annoying man.
Your better than that, whats the matter with you man.
Mr Pitts
December 15th, 2012
10:34 am
“But I will say he did waste money on an injured, declining Catcher by picking up the $13 million option on Brian McCann because he is such a nice guy…”
Yeah, some teams just can’t make that tough decision and will take the safe and easy route. A more ruthless approach would have been to cut him loose and let another club take the lesser risk. Sign a couple players for the 13mil who aren’t damaed goods. The fan base, overall, would have understood a reluctance to tie up 13m on a big question mark. Billy Beane wouldn’t have hesitated to turn that lemon into lemonade in some form.
J-MAN [Formally Joe Diry]
December 15th, 2012
10:34 am
I cant see anyone beating the phillies this year, PHILLIES over the ANGELS in 5 games as pitching wins champiomships!!!!!!!!!
Steve
December 15th, 2012
10:37 am
JOE DIRT, GO VACUME OR DUST AS YOU ARE PMS ING YOU CRANKY OLD WOMAN
Steve
December 15th, 2012
10:37 am
JOE DIRT, GO VACUME OR DUST AS YOU ARE PMS ING YOU CRANKY OLD WOMAN
Steve
December 15th, 2012
10:37 am
JOE DIRT, GO VACUME OR DUST AS YOU ARE PMS ING YOU CRANKY OLD WOMAN
Joe Dirte (Formally J-Man)
December 15th, 2012
10:38 am
Mr. Pitts you are correct sir. Really with that extra 13 million available we could have gone after anyone along with getting BJ Upton. But I just dont see how McCann can play Catcher for much longer……Something DOB has said as well. McCann would be great as a DH in the AL
Felix
December 15th, 2012
10:40 am
Well I see the Fillie trolls have crawled out of their cesspools again.
Glenn
December 15th, 2012
10:43 am
poor little Steve… did you miss being in the playoffs last year? Your capped comments show how little you know about baseball. You really believe that a middle reliever puts you as the NL East champs. I bet Papelbon (that is the way to spell his name by the way) is glad to see Chipper go after throwing that fastball to him in the bottom of the 9th which the Braves came back to win 8-7. And Papelbon probably doesnt want to talk about the save he blew when the Braves won earlier 15-12 after the Phillies blowing a 6-0 lead. And finally, even with Adams, the Phillies and/or no team in the either league can touch what Kimbrell, Venters, and O’Flaherty have done for the last 2 years… Get a life Steve…
Joe Dirte (Formally J-Man)
December 15th, 2012
10:47 am
Steve come up with an intelligent thought. Well I suppose that would be to much to ask. But I cant tell your just a bitter little man that hasnt had a woman in a very long time since you think all women do is Vacuum, dust, and have PMS. You better be careful because you can develop Carpal Tunel syndrome from jerkin it hat much. But I guess thats why you keep the CAPS BUTTON ON because it would require extra effort from your hands and wrist to use proper typing techniques and we know you have better things to use your hands and wrists, like watching BangBros just make sure you dont get any on your computer screen because that stuff is tough to get out of electronics man.
I’m only here to help
Joe Dirte (Formally J-Man)
December 15th, 2012
10:48 am
Steve come up with an intelligent thought. Well I suppose that would be too much to ask. But I cant tell your just a bitter little man that hasnt had a woman in a very long time since you think all women do is Vacuum, dust, and have PMS. You better be careful because you can develop Carpal Tunel syndrome from jerkin it that much. But I guess thats why you keep the CAPS BUTTON ON because it would require extra effort from your hands and wrist to use proper typing techniques and we know you have better things to use your hands and wrists, like watching BangBros just make sure you dont get any on your computer screen because that stuff is tough to get out of electronics man.
I’m only here to help
Steve
December 15th, 2012
10:51 am
Glenn YOU OBVIOSLY READ BUT DONT COMPREHEND ITS OK ITS A TLANTA THING, LET ME SAY IT AGAIN THE PHILLIES NEED TO SIGN EITHER CODY ROSS OR SWISHER, PREFER ROSS AND THEY WILL BE WS CHAMPS, LEARN TO COMPREHEND SON FIRST GET A DICTIONARY AND LOOK UP COMPREHEND THATS IF YOU CAN READ, SAD SO SAD
Steve
December 15th, 2012
10:54 am
I ONLY PRAY CODY ROSS DOES NOT SIGN WITH NATS OR BRAVES AS HE KILLS THE BALL AT CBP
Denny Lemaster
December 15th, 2012
11:02 am
Braves signing plenty of BACK UPS. Maybe some day When will get around to finding either a starting 3Bman or a starting LFder.
Steve
December 15th, 2012
11:06 am
BRAVES AND PHILLIES BOTH SCREWED UP NOT TRADING FOR DAVID WRIGHT WHEN THEY HAD A CHANCE LAST YEAR, NOW ITS TOO LATE, IM THINKING IN A BY NEXT YEAR LONGORIA WILL BE AVAILABLE HOPEFULLY RAJ PULLS THE TRIGGER
Norris Chuck
December 15th, 2012
11:10 am
East Notes: Braves, Trumbo, Yankees, Orioles
By Zach Links [December 14 at 8:41pm CST]
The Braves made an “aggressive” offer for Shin-Soo Choo, but ultimately it was the Reds that snagged him in a three-team deal. Could Atlanta be in the mix for another slugger? Here’s more on that and other notes out of the Eastern divisions..
•The Braves have Angels outfielder/first baseman Mark Trumbo on their radar, according to David O’Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution (on Twitter). Earlier today, it was reported that the Halos are very likely to trade either Trumbo or Peter Bourjos for a pitcher. However, Trumbo appears to be less available than Bourjos.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#deEcs0EWc8WviKD6.99
Would be nice if they could get Trumbo or Bourjos!
Norris Chuck
December 15th, 2012
11:12 am
Phillies To Sign John Lannan
By Mike Axisa [December 15 at 9:42am CST]
The Phillies have agreed to sign John Lannan, reports Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com (on Twitter). It’s a one-year contract worth $2.5MM with another $2.5M in bonuses according to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com (all Twitter links). The agreement is pending a physical. Lannan is represented by Brodie Van Wagenen at CAA Sports.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#hB7jPmAj7rII4uK4.99
Man the Nationals and Phillies are serious while the Braves are still fiddling their hands and relying on a “good pitchin staff” to carry them once again.
Angel Eyes
December 15th, 2012
11:34 am
WOW!! Norris Chuck Finally you got the message
Ozzie
December 15th, 2012
11:45 am
What bother’s me is Wren and the Braves are in ambulance chasing mode. Every time a team makes a substantial trade/FA signing to chase a ring ATL is suddenly interested in their potential left overs.
It looks like to the fans that they have no plan and are just running around trying to find the ultimate deal like the ebay shopper he loses his nerve as the auction peeks. He then starts bidding on the same item (in a new auction) hoping this time it goes for less.
In the end those people tend to over pay for a lessor thing.
Ozzie
December 15th, 2012
11:54 am
who loses his nerve…. auction peaks…. wow
Mr Pitts
December 15th, 2012
12:01 pm
“In the end those people tend to over pay for a lessor thing.”
Perhaps I’m a bit old school. I would be less enthusiastic if ‘my team’ has a 180m/yr payroll and wins. Then it’s just an accomplishment based more on buying a bunch of overpriced talent. If you have that money to spend….well how much leadership talent does it take to win when you’re just writing checks? I’d rather my team to be somewhat constrained by economic reality and have talent, leadership, and team chemistry,and a little luck play important roles; it’s more fun and gratifying.
Ozzie
December 15th, 2012
12:04 pm
When a team wins 94 games YoY someone has done something right. Many teams avg 80 something wins for a decade and then have one pop year and one down year.
Take out the high and the low wins per year and look at the avg of what is left. If you still see a 9x something avg then the team has done something right.
ATL is not that team.
Steve
December 15th, 2012
12:10 pm
Why is it that Wren is always close to acquiring players, but never pulls it off? Does he overvalue the players he has? By the way, please do not confuse me with “All-Caps” Steve.
Norris Chuck
December 15th, 2012
12:12 pm
Wren is doing the same thing he did after the Uggla signing. Folks remember???? He made the big splash before anybody else go started doing their shopping and acted like he was going to make another big move only to be always coming up a lil bit short AFTER the player had signed with another team.
This year he signs Upton, and if you all notice after everytime a trade is made or free agent is signed then the word on the street is “The Braves were in on that deal but couldnt quiet pull the trigger.”
Just because he is afraid to let go of one of his “prized” up and coming pitchers???? Last time i checked, Tehran’s and Delgado’s numbers hasnt dazzled in AAA ball at all so what makes him think they are Maddux and Smoltz’ second coming?
Wren could have had Span or Revere or Choo and who else knows? But the guy stockpiles pitching like a hoarder and year in and year out they get knocked out of the playoffs cause they dont have that many hitters!
Its like watching a NBA team with a 12 man roster and 6 point guards get out rebounded every game cause they dont have enought big men yet during the off seasn they sign more guards!
Ozzie
December 15th, 2012
12:12 pm
They were in the 90s. Now they are more aligned with league avgs 80 something in Ws with some peak years in the low to mid 90s.
Not something to complain about but it is not a trend, yet.
Doing something right is addressing a nagging problem. For the Braves the nagging problem is getting to and making some serious noise in the post season.
Getting to a WC is a step but it is not the destination.
Angel Eyes
December 15th, 2012
12:12 pm
@Ozzie I agree with you,but Nationals won 98 games-improved. Phillies got well- improved Braves won 94 games-got worse..In this division have to win 100 or you are not going anywhere. Braves present team I see Max of 90 wins.
Steve
December 15th, 2012
12:24 pm
Angel Eyes is correct. The Braves have regressed in a tough division. They have questions in either left or third, depending on where Prado plays.
MRG
December 15th, 2012
12:30 pm
The comments totally confuse me for a few reasons. For one, people are whining that Wren isn’t trading all that young pitching talent away? Really? Shame that teams like the Giants don’t have loads of homegrown pitching talent-oh wait, they do, and that’s the biggest reason they win championships. Also, It’s not like the Braves; they will acquire another bat. Once they do, reasonably looking at this team, it’s going to be a very good club. They have one of the best rotations and bullpens in all of baseball, and that makes for an top notch team, even without necessarily having a great offense (personally, I think the offense will be at least solid.) Oh, and one more thing: People are crying because they signed a decent utility man? Should they not have? If Wren didn’t improve the bench, would that make people happier? It sure seems like it. Or maybe, just maybe, some people are going to complain no matter what.
urban redneck
December 15th, 2012
12:32 pm
THE WORLD IS FLAT! see, all capital letters make me right, regardless of the idiocy of the statement. go bravos.
Ozzie
December 15th, 2012
12:33 pm
We have had a 100mm down to 83mm in payroll since 2000 and have won little. It is not that fans are looking to win it all with a 250mm stacked team but they are tired of passing on each and every opportunity to go all in (at whatever payroll level).
All in means two major investments versus one coupled with some random housekeeping acquisitions. We have seen the movie (repeatedly) in terms of spreading the money around or on one dude (neither has worked).
Let’s double down on two major difference makers in one year. One is not cutting it and to boot the odds are against you if you only place one major bet.
As a result ATL struggles to find the right mix of players or usually is seen being perpetually one piece light of a true playoff contender.
Wren looks fearful after every first big move. He loses nerve, becomes too cheap or overly enamored with his pitching prospects. Who knows but he repeats this pattern every year to the point you could set your watch by it.
The comment about re: Uggla is spot on. Wren leaps before the market ramps up and then sits until each and every plan a,b and c of his vaporizes. Then he spends his money on a collection of low impact, low risk guys to put on the bench leaving 3-4mm to spend at the deadline.
This pattern borders on being OCD if you watch how he operates. It is painfully predictable.
Wren’s offseason routine is a form a Groundhog Day the movie he just doesn’t see the pattern yet.
Joe Dirte (Formally J-Man)
December 15th, 2012
12:34 pm
Have the Braves regressed……..I would say they have to the extent they havent replaced Chippers bat just yet. But where I find fault with is the Braves picking up the $13 million option on McCann and th Fact McCann is declining and will not even be ready until May at the earliest. But the other moves like getting Upton and dumping Hanson were good moves. But I just think they are gonna let Constanza, Gattis, and Francisco fight it out for that last position spot. And we might as well hold on to the Cash and maybe when McCann is a FA we can go after an elite player probaby through trade and dump Uggla off on somebody.
Steve
December 15th, 2012
12:36 pm
Wren has stated he is satisfied with where the Braves are currently. They may not acquire another bat. Then, we are looking at Constanza ,Schaffer, or Simmons leading off. Neither of those three are the solution.
Ozzie
December 15th, 2012
12:37 pm
If a team avgs 90+ wins when you drop their high and low totals that is a successful team. Successful teams get a chance to make the post season and from there it is a combination of skill and good fortune.
ATL is a weaker team on paper bc of intangibles re: the loss of Chipper, Ross and ? mark that is catcher until May 1st.
They have upped their SO potential which is not good etc.
But if they win 90+ games again they are going to be considered a successful team bc some many teams are stuck in the 80s and keep missing the post season.
Joe Dirte (Formally J-Man)
December 15th, 2012
12:38 pm
But another reason we are having a much lower payroll is we have to extend Prado, Medlen, Hudson and maybe Maholm
Joe Dirte (Formally J-Man)
December 15th, 2012
12:39 pm
I think Simmons will lead off actually or Constanza could if he get the LF job
Ozzie
December 15th, 2012
12:40 pm
Now if the new bar for the PS is 100 wins then yes ATL may miss it but will they be seen as unsuccessful if they win 95-96 games?
nc82
December 15th, 2012
12:51 pm
Minor Uggla and Christan Martinez for Bonifacio
Angel Eyes
December 15th, 2012
12:53 pm
@Ozzie If they don’t get in playoffs-YES. That would be regression.
Joe casey
December 15th, 2012
1:34 pm
Bourjos has no power. Rather have Constanza, since we already have him. Need to look at Kubel,Swisher or Trumbo. Maybe Staton w/marlins. Very unhappy player with great upside.
ggs
December 15th, 2012
1:36 pm
I guess my hope of the Braves landing AlexGordon is probably not going to happen at this point.I’m hearing the names Trumbo and Bourjos now being mentioned as possible LF candidates for us.I think I like Bourjos better from a leadoff and defensive standpoint.Trumbo would bring a power bat but rumor has it he’ll never win a gold glove.
Joe casey
December 15th, 2012
1:37 pm
nc82. What are you smokin?
Joe casey
December 15th, 2012
1:37 pm
nc82. What are you smokin?
Joe casey
December 15th, 2012
1:37 pm
nc82. What are you smokin?
Joe casey
December 15th, 2012
1:37 pm
nc82. What are you smokin?
74bravesjersey
December 15th, 2012
3:10 pm
Only 6 days left according to the Myan’s………… Everybody prepped up for the big title wave of chaos everywhere? We’re celebrating Christmas on the 20th. But I’ll check back next Saturday to still see if the Blog still runn’n & wondered if Uncle Frank’s pulled out all the stops shock’n the world w/some monster deals before then.
urban redneck
December 15th, 2012
3:12 pm
bleacher report says the rockies offered dexter fowler for minor straight up. no deal. go bravos.
Felix
December 15th, 2012
3:40 pm
Overpaid for Lowe. Drained the bank account to sign an unproven KK. Should never have signed McOut. Overpaid for Uggla and now paid too steep a price for Upton. Wren is a man who just doesn’t learn.
Angel Eyes
December 15th, 2012
3:40 pm
Typical Wren. IN LOVE WITH HIS PITCHERS. Make the deal
74bravesjersey
December 15th, 2012
3:41 pm
Gonzales, or tulo, & fowler for Teheran, GilMartin, Pastornicky, Cunningham,
Angel Eyes
December 15th, 2012
3:56 pm
@74bravesjersey Wren would not make that deal because he would have to give up 2 of his pitchers. Can’t do that. He is in love with pitchers
WigWamWisps
December 15th, 2012
4:03 pm
Did I read someone post that the Phils and Nats are serious while the Braves are “folding their hands.” I don’t think either of them have signed anyone on the level of BJ Upton this offseason. The Braves don’t need starting pitching and further solidified their bullpen with the earlier trade with the LA Angels. They have one position of need and by all accounts they have been aggressive in their pursuit of outfielders. On the other hand, the Phils sign John Lannan and they are much more serious than Atlanta? For real?!
WigWamWisps
December 15th, 2012
4:05 pm
74Bravesjersey, the Rockies aren’t idiots. You wouldn’t get Tulowitzski for that package or Gonzalez and they certainly wouldn’t throw in Fowler. Chuckle! Chuckle! You’re too funny!
WigWamWisps
December 15th, 2012
4:07 pm
Felix, the Braves didn’t sign “McOut,” as you say. They traded for him. At the time, Frank Wren was applauded for making a deal for an all-star outfielder. So, it didn’t pan out. If he hadn’t made the deal, he would have been criticized for folding his hands. Likely by fans like you.
dylan
December 15th, 2012
4:09 pm
And what level is Upton? Sub 250 avg, clubhouse cancer, and I believe a sub 300 obp?
dylan
December 15th, 2012
4:11 pm
Seriously if that deal was good enough just for cargo or tulo straight up the Rockies would be commuting the worst trade in history
BravesFanInNashville
December 15th, 2012
4:14 pm
Angel Eyes……. The rest of baseball is in love with The Braves pitchers too. They’d all love to be in our position. How many times to people have to hear that pitching wins before they believe it. Oakland took the AL West from the Rangers with young (all rookie starters) pitchers even though they didn’t have near the lineup the Rangers had.
WigWamWisps
December 15th, 2012
4:17 pm
Urban Redneck, I heard that the Braves offered the Braves Fowler for Minor straight up. I would have to seriously consider that one. Fowler’s numbers (.330/13 HR/53 RBI/ 12 SB) look good at first glance but isn’t he being looked to as a leadoff hitter? If so, wouldn’t you think that the traditional leadoff hitter would have more than 12 SB’s? Martin Prado had good numbers compared to Fowler’s (.301/ 10 HR/ 70 RBI/ 17 SB). Jason Heyward had almost double the steals that Fowler had (21). Is it worth giving up a young left handed pitcher who has made improvements in his game for an average player? I guess you have to give something to get something but it does seem like a lot to me.
Angel Eyes
December 15th, 2012
4:22 pm
@WigWamWisps You forgot about Revere and Span. They both reached out and got what they needed. Yes Phillies traded pitching to get Revere.
brent
December 15th, 2012
4:23 pm
why doesnt atlanta trade one of their young sp,Prado, and something and try and get Mark trumbo to play outfield/3rd
BravesFanInNashville
December 15th, 2012
4:26 pm
no way do I trade Minor for Fowler. That would come back to haunt the Braves for years. Minor will be a solid #2 or 3 for years and Fowler is easily replaceable.
Angel Eyes
December 15th, 2012
4:27 pm
@BravesFanInNashville Completely agree that we have pitching. Sometimes you have to come off of that pitching to get what you want. Fowler for Minor staight up. Make the deal. Have got Teheran or Delgado or both that could replace Minor. You have to give up something to get something. Wren doesn’t do that. That is why he will get left out in any deal
BravesFanInNashville
December 15th, 2012
4:49 pm
Wren’s team won 94 games last year. Minor was a huge part of our stretch run. The NL East includes Howard, Utley, Harper and probably LaRoche again. We need a solid left handed starter to be competitive Minor has a chance to be really good for a long time. I’m not anointing him as a HOF player yet but good lefties are really valuable. I’m glad Wren has held his ground. The ONLY way we trade Minor is for an All-Star outfielder that us 28 years old or younger and under team control for at least 3 years. Other wise he’s much more valuable to keep him and see what Francisco can do at 3B.
I know we don’t have a prototypical leadoff hitter but Prado could be real solid at the top of the order. Besides they are only guaranteed to lead off one inning a game. What if Francisco hits about .270 with 25 HRs and drives in 80 runs? That is about all we could expect out of any LF that we’d trade for even if we got Willingham from the Twins which they won’t do now that they’ve traded Span and Revere. So how do we replace Francisco’s potential without giving up a great pitching prospect? I don’t think we do. I can still see making a play for Justin Upton but there aren’t many other outfielders available that would give us more offensive performance than Francisco is likely to provide and this way we keep Prado at a position he almost won a Gold Glove at and keep our pitchers.
Banjo Jimmy
December 15th, 2012
4:52 pm
Another National Championship for my local college team.
Valdosta State Blazers dominate in the win this afternoon.
Too bad the lack of local support for them. High school football dominates this town. The Wildcats and Lowndes Vikings are all the rage.
The Blazers don’t even have their own stadium. They play their home games at Valdosta Highs football field. It is astro turf, and the Wildcat logos are in both end zones and midfield.
Sad and embarassing. If they were a professional team, they would have left years ago. No love in this town…until they win the championship. Big deal in the paper tomorrow.
Anyway, good job Blazers!!! Third Division II National Championship!!
Angel Eyes
December 15th, 2012
4:57 pm
OK I can buy that. Good point. What happens if minor has a bad year. Either way you are taking a chance. IMO i take a chance with a hitter before a pitcher. That’s just my opinion. So you are saying go with what we got? 94 wins last yr. We do that in2013 that will be only good enough for 3rd place
Angel Eyes
December 15th, 2012
4:57 pm
OK I can buy that. Good point. What happens if minor has a bad year. Either way you are taking a chance. IMO i take a chance with a hitter before a pitcher. That’s just my opinion. So you are saying go with what we got? 94 wins last yr. We do that in2013 that will be only good enough for 3rd place
74bravesjersey
December 15th, 2012
5:17 pm
Hey, Just throw’n someth’n out there, it’s been a while, like someone else said, these Bravos will probably stand pat, Wren’s pretty pleased how the team looks anywhoo. My wife thought I was a pretty funny guy. Since ‘88, she still tells me I look funny, well 6 day’s left folks, unless the Myan’s have another piece of calender hidden under a rock somewhere, at least I’m not funny alone on here. Hurry frank, make someth’n worthwhile for a few more days.
74bravesjersey
December 15th, 2012
5:23 pm
So much in this world hitt’n the fan, you gotta have a little humor to withstand the negatives, so I try.
dylan
December 15th, 2012
5:30 pm
Minor is too valuable a piece to go straight up for Fowler. Top notch lhp is very important, especially in the division we are in. Looking at minors second half you see a very talented pitcher who finally seemed to conquer the mental hurdle that had held him back