7:34 pm December 11, 2012, by Carroll Rogers
December 12th, 201211:54 pm
boxer day where the 1% pay the 99% their due
December 13th, 201212:07 am
no disservice to francisco but i could see franchesco leading the team in homeruns and rbi if given a fair shot. in fact if i were managing last year he would have been starting in playoff game
December 13th, 201212:30 am
why did brian williams have to mc 121212 was g w h bush not available, id have thought he would have wanted to ttickle down upon the jerseyistes and yorkers
December 13th, 201212:31 am
i shot the sheriff but i did not shoot the deputys
December 13th, 201212:33 am
donate donate donate
December 13th, 201212:35 am
if you cant afford to donate give em your help
if we dont help one another who will help us
December 13th, 201212:36 am
seven fish and a loaf of bread can only feed so many million people
December 13th, 201212:37 am
its a shame sir paul thinks hes all that , at least ringo is grounded
lennon made the beattles
December 13th, 201212:39 am
diattribes about nothing
didnt they try that on a seinfeld show
December 13th, 201212:41 am
medicines make you loopy and i dont like emk
buyt i am still alive although i can feel the real me in there
its like hesa way back in the corner now.
wah wah wah……….lol
December 13th, 201212:42 am
klonapan , for the guy who has everything
December 13th, 201212:43 am
yet cant find any of it
December 13th, 201212:45 am
i say with the things look now leyts go to spring training with current roster unless someone blows wren out of the office with an offer
December 13th, 201212:46 am
if you cant spend a extra 20 million a uyear on hamilton migfht as well go with franchesco , he may hit more homers than hamilton would have
December 13th, 201212:48 am
and we cant forget schaefer and reed, or pollyanna
December 13th, 201212:49 am
what a bargain
December 13th, 201212:51 am
when will durbin realize the minor league offer from the brsves is the best offer hes getting
anyone alive and well
December 13th, 201212:52 am
or 1 of the 2
December 13th, 201212:53 am
i guess id qualify for the latter
December 13th, 201212:55 am
hows that song go in the year 25 25 if man is still alive if woman could survive
December 13th, 201212:58 am
oooops i did it again
dead blog double comments and all dressed up with no where to go
had to take my girlfriend to hospital and dont feel like running around on her
December 13th, 201212:59 am
December 13th, 20121:04 am
if you wanna know what als feels like , here lately i still am doing reasonably well, but pain is getting more and more intense. you will have different spots feel like there is a big purple bruise there, only when ya look its just a shrinking muscle
Braves Tinker With Julio Teheran’s Delivery, Then Tinker Again
December 13th, 20121:06 am
[...] was the 2012 season, but not the 2012 off-season, and in a very interesting twist we get this news from the AJC, reporting on the Braves front office visit to the Dominican Winter League, where Teheran is [...]
December 13th, 20121:08 am
and thats despite the medications. once again clonapan for the man who has everything and cant understand how to use any of it. i hate surrendering the free spirit in me to the meds. but i see him sometimes he just has his haircut now and stays in the background with his mouth shut for the most part……….lol
December 13th, 20121:12 am
12 12 12 aint so good ,sure its nice to revvisit, but time marches forward , at least for a short while longer
December 13th, 20121:15 am
if muhammed ali could rattle it out again, would he
December 13th, 20121:17 am
new yorks a fun town unless your a mutts fan
December 13th, 20127:43 am
looks like someone was talking to himself for an extended period of time. it happens. go bravos!
Good Grief Charlie Brown
December 13th, 20128:54 am
wow, all this whining already and it’s not even Christmas
December 13th, 20129:08 am
Angel Eyes, prozac may do you some good. You have mood swings!
December 13th, 20129:25 am
I’ve always thought that Teheran was better than Delgado but will just have to wait and see. I’m so ready for baseball season!
Dan Uggla's Swing
December 13th, 201210:04 am
all these “power hitters” were the cancer of the last couple of seasons and will continue to be if we dont get some contact hitters and high OBP guys. The steriod era really ruined baseball, everybody is so in love with the home run, still. Cant talk about making a trade for a guy without bringing up “but he has power”. So what, you know what that means most of the time? Strike outs or GIDP’s. Pitching trumps hitting, and by the way, who won the WS last year? Was it the Power hitting Tigers? Nope, it was a contact hitting team with good enough pitching.
December 13th, 201210:12 am
Scott Hairston on the radar at all as an affordable platoon option in LF?
Up here in CT, I’ve seen him rake against lefties as he wasted away on the Mets, and him and a Costanza platoon or Shafer if he ever could get it together, while not the sexiest of options, could keep our money flexibile for the trade deadline when we can reevaluate our needs and be able to afford a hitter that would otherwise be deemed to pricey. Thoughts?
December 13th, 201210:36 am
Reports on Hot Stove indicate that Wren won’t meet the asking price for a lead off hitter in a trade. They indicated that Constanza would lead off. Thanks, Frank. The Braves are a lesser team than last year. Why is it that other teams get things done while the Braves cannot? Is Wren smarter than all the other GM’s or are the other GM’s smarter than Wren?
Angry acworth man
December 13th, 201210:43 am
There’s no way that the Braves can have Constanza hitting leadoff and expect to win!!! Unless Frank Wren just wants to get fired!
December 13th, 201210:45 am
860Braves, they’ve already got Reed Johnson for that role.
December 13th, 201210:48 am
I think it’s more likely they will just put Prado or Simmons in the lead off spot and go with Francisco.
December 13th, 201210:49 am
Angel Eyes… exactly how did the Giants win the WS again this year? Stellar offense or defense? If you do your homework (easy to overlook facts when folks want to complain), you’ll notice that 1 run would have one two games over the Tigers… and 4 runs would have won the other two. Pitching, my friend, wins games when it comes to the postseason. It doesn’t matter how many runs you can score, if you can’t pitch you’re doomed.
December 13th, 201210:52 am
Go back and read DOB’s last paragraph…he pretty well said it all.
single white dove
December 13th, 201211:19 am
December 12th, 2012
“Sorry guys but I will take Maholm over the promise of Delgado and Teheran. If we can get an established LF and lead off hitter in exchange for either guys’ promise, then do it…”
I agree with that on Teheran, as for Delgado we need him as the number five SP. If Teheran has any kind of value now is the time to move him before he gets lit up and flops in MLB. I am a hundred percent that Teheran is a flop. Delgado, he is decent even right now.
Did you guys forget that Glavin and Smoltz sucked early on, you need to give themm a break, geezzzz
December 13th, 201211:29 am
One thing everyone seems to be overlooking about next year’s team is the combination of Heyward, Freeman, Prado, and Simmons. Regardless of the question marks surrounding Uggla, Mac, and a LF/3B, shouldn’t we expect improvement from all four of these guys? I see both Heyward/Freeman having even better years this season (Heyward benefits from batting in one position; Freeman stays healthier) especially… and if stability is found at LF/3B, Prado could even be better. Simmons… to have him for 150+ games should be much better.
December 13th, 201211:38 am
I read where someone said trade Uggla, that’s not a good idea but patience is. A lot of folks seem to be upset about Juan Francisco and whether he can or cannot play 3rd base. There’s a lot of conjecture here that is cooking the soup too fast. I say lets wait and see. The T. Hanson trade was a good one for both clubs involved, the internal options the BRAVOS have for 3rd base and left field are viable, a wait and see attitude is needed. Building for the future is not done overnight and it’s good to have a dollar bill to spend. I don ‘t see teams ready to pay Bourn the monies Scott Boras is requesting which leads to other possibilities, teams are not jumping at J. Hamilton either. Patience BRAVO fans, patience is truly a virtue
December 13th, 201211:47 am
Wish Uggla would and could play left. Prado’s value is at 2nd base. He is so-so in the outfield. Uggla makes the occasional diving stop, but he’s not a good second baseman. The defense is just off with Prado in left and Uggla at second. Prado is excellent at third, but you want more power there. I’d like to see how Francisco would do as the regular 3rd baseman. Someone should be traded, even if it’s Prado for a quality left fielder.
December 13th, 201211:50 am
By the time Wren gets around to finding a left-fielder, the pickings will be slim indeed.
December 13th, 201211:58 am
HOF 10, Prado arguably should have won the GG in LF last year. He probably is a better defender at 2B, but I don’t know where you are getting he is just ok in LF.
December 13th, 201212:02 pm
Dodgers release Scott Van Slyke plays out field has monster power and a good arm. Would like to get him for outfield depth. He wasn’t really given a chance last year had very good numbers in AAA.
December 13th, 201212:21 pm
How many players that are very good get released? Mikeinga1965
December 13th, 201212:28 pm
He was there best prospect last year. Also his dad was Andy. Alot of people shaking there head over his release. We don’t have many good out field prospects. Getting him would give us a legit out field prospect.
December 13th, 201212:54 pm
I don’t know much about the Dodgers’ organization, but a 26 year old guy was their best prospect?
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December 13th, 20121:04 pm
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December 13th, 20121:14 pm
trade prado for a quality left fielder? it’s a little early to be that drunk, isn’t it? go bravos.
December 13th, 20121:21 pm
Well I see that WREN is still getting paid big money for doing NOTHING. Wish my boss did that to me.
December 13th, 20121:41 pm
Makega1965.I will say he is a big guy 6′5″ 250 lbs..plays 1b and Of….didn’t hit crap last year in 56 ab’s with Dodgers but did have a very good year in AAA– 2011..327 ba 18 hrs..404 obp..578 slg..982 ops. released to make room for new players . Can’t speak for Wren but he might would work out for Braves AAA team but as RickC said he is a early 26 years old.
He is in VWL now and hitting 231 with 7 homers 314 obp…just saying.
Respect your opinion…always.
December 13th, 20121:44 pm
Angel what kind of work you do?
December 13th, 20121:52 pm
What player homered on 4 of his Birthdays???
December 13th, 20121:58 pm
@jbill I am a security Guard at a major mall ?
December 13th, 20121:59 pm
Frank Wren just made his next big move….he signed Ramiro Pena!! Whoop whoop!!
December 13th, 20122:17 pm
You heard it here first: Braves are going to trade Juan Fransisco for Mark Trumbo.
Thats cool..I’ve done that too.
Be careful, alot of crazy people out there.
December 13th, 20122:18 pm
Angels working to sign Hamilton. Meaning Trumbo could be available. Braves signed Pena to a major league deal so that means someone would get moved in a deal. He is playing the utility roll
The amount of people here with pantytwist disease is really surprising. I think people in general are just pessimistic these days. Given the general state of things and a presidential election where the vast majority probably preferred none of the above to the real choices, I guess I can see why…
They’re wringing their hands raw because;
Chipper retired. Lost him at 3B and in the clubhouse.
Bourn won’t resign here…probably….as long as this had been extended, who knows if he’d take a 1 year deal to play LF or maybe BJ would agree to go to LF for a year…but, yeah, he is gone.
Backup Catcher left along with a couple of other role players from the bench.
BJ Upton comes in to fill 1/2 a lost played on defense and 1/2 a lost player on offense. He’ll take up the OF spot that Bourn had and the batting responsibilities that Chipper had…or at least be a part of the shift that replaces Chipper’s batting order contribution. Maybe Heyward takes on Chip’s role more and Upton slides into Hey’s role, so to speak…but with BJ, the Braves have replaced 1/2 of each of the two main guys who were lost. Oh, he strikes out a lot….ah, anyone check the strikeout totals Bourn put up…from the leadoff spot?
We swapped Hanson for Walden. This was a financial move AND a strategic move. The financial and strategic side of this indicates the Braves intended to make one more significant addition this winter…and they still might do that….
and here is where everyone on the ‘world is ending’ not on 12/21 but in Spring Training bus is making the most noise.
Why can’t we rely on what we already have? A proven commodity would be nicer, sure, but we have guys who have various amounts of experience who have the ability to do what is needed to be done. The fact they are young or not the ideal piece isn’t such a big problem. Given the non-roster invitees and the 40 man roster, there are going to be numerous players competing for the final spots on the bench for next season. All of them have some sort of upside.
Just out of numbers there will be a few who make enough progress to be ready to play come opening day. This is where being a baseball fan is more exciting than other sports generally. The process of becoming a major league baseball player is tedious, much more so than any other sport. These guys work their way up, many of us watch closely as they do…suddenly with a trade or two we then also have someone from another organization who had been working their way up and the slot into AA right away and we have one to watch that could be in Atlanta as soon as the next season……
And all of that excitement of watching prospects work and hone their skills is paid off when they come to spring training and win a job and take over as they should.
Letting that natural progression is something the Braves have done a lot. Heyward, Freeman, Simmons, Prado, McCann, Medlin, Minor, Kimbrel, Venters and soon Teheran and Simon…I think I got that mostly right, if not all of them…but even if I got one wrong, the point is still valid…the Braves build from within successfully.
The reason this team slid wasn’t because of the farm system. It was because the farm system was jettisoned all over the place for one year rentals here and there, especially Texas, and the steady stream of ready to play players dried up for a bit while the big ego, money driven free agents we acquired did exactly what they should have been expected to do and left for more money.
I don’t mind the big free agent signing but I get nervous any time a list of prospects is headed somewhere to bring in a veteran who has less than 2 years remaining on their contract.
I prefer allowing the minors to reload and it is good to see a steady stream of players beginning to line up in the pipeline. If you go 15-20 deep, you are bound to see a couple of guys who may well develop into a top 5 team prospect and the depth going beyond 20 has players with enough tools that surprised are sure to come out of the group currently thought to by AAA or role bench players at the Major league level.
I hope that the farm system isn’t stripped down again. If a trade has to occur, no more than 2 prospects, please…and then don’t move any for at least another year. The scouting and development in the Braves organization has been excellent over the years and that is where the future should be found for all but the most glaring needs….such as a Chipper retiring, leaving a huge gap in talent and leaving behind a large enough salary cap spot to replace them with a free agent. Otherwise, lets trust our farm.
December 13th, 20122:21 pm
ATL Insider: No that’s not the latest. The latest is we’re trading Francisco, Maholm and Uggla for Mike Trout and Jared Weaver. You heard it HERE first
December 13th, 20122:24 pm
@Brown: I wish. You know that is not happening.
With Hamilton about to sign with the Angels, they will have an extra OF and could use an upgrade at 3B. It is a perfect fit. There may be other smaller pieces involved, but those, I believe, will be the principals of the deal.
December 13th, 20122:25 pm
M..u need to post more often and not so long.
Insider ..It would take a pick-up truck full of Juans to pull off that deal…lol
December 13th, 20122:39 pm
W#OW Give WREN a cookie. Another WORTHLESS signing.
December 13th, 20122:46 pm
If the Angels have Hamilton and Trout to build around, Tommy H may only need a 6 era to win 15 games. Oh, yeah, and Pujols too…with Trumbo, Morales and Kendrick being pretty productive guys. 1/3 of the lineup that nobody wants to pitch to and another 1/3 of the lineup that can be 2nd tier power bats…this lineup is scary if it comes together.
How about they do this…Aybar, Trout, Kendrick, Hamilton, Trumbo, Pujols, Morales, Ianetta, Collaspo.
That spreads them out enough that you are almost certain to have one of them up in at least 7 out of 9 innings every game. It doesn’t put Pujols so deep that his PA drop too dramatically and with Kendrick and Trumbo in the middle of those guys, seeing mostly fastballs, they could put up the best numbers of their careers. Pujols probably wouldn’t take to hitting 6th…but…
December 13th, 20122:47 pm
I think it would only take one or two Juans to fill a pickup
December 13th, 20122:51 pm
Just saw the rumor that the Cubs would pay $26 mill of Soriano’s remaining $36 mill over the last two years of his contract.
Thats a decent left fielder for $5mill / yr for the next two years.
He had 33 doubles and 2 triples last year plus 28 home runs (I think)
He had 147 hits plus 44 walks and had 108 RBI.
When was the last time a Brave had a 100 RBI?
Prado to third base and Soriano to right field.
Give the Cubs Delgado and Spruil. Remember FW almost traded Delgado to the Cubs for a rental of Dempster.
Soriano has requested a trade to a competing team. I believe that his trouble days are over with a new club in the thick of things. In fact like Ichiro last year a new club like the Braves might inspire even better results.
December 13th, 20122:56 pm
Projected line up with Soriano
December 13th, 20122:58 pm
@jmart1951 Sorry won’t happen. WREN likes the no hit guys and speed and pitching. Soriano not any one of the 3. Won’t happen as long as you got do nothing WREN.
December 13th, 20123:03 pm
Prado has decent speed
Heyward has good speed
Upton has good speed
Freeman has average speed
Soriano has decent speed
Mac is slow
Uggla has decent speed
Simmons has good speed
Left field fielding suffers a little (Prado is a better left fielder than Soriano
Outfield a grade below last season’s defensively
Infield probably a grade above last season’s infield.
Soriano’s and Upton’s RBI are better than Bourn’s and Chipper’s.
Maybe a few less steals overall than last year but not substantially fewer
December 13th, 20123:04 pm
Sorry about the double post – the posting mechanism currently is not working well.
December 13th, 20123:07 pm
@Jmart1951 I agree with what you are saying but your GM not that smart. WON’T HAPPEN. Soriano doesn’t PITCH.
December 13th, 20123:14 pm
Josh to LLA for 5 yrs and 125 million…..Dempster to Red Sox for 2 years 26.5 million…..
Guess that leaves Bourn to Texas ..?
December 13th, 20123:17 pm
Guess where that leaves Braves? NOWHERE because we have a worthless GM that makes big money to do nothing.
December 13th, 20123:34 pm
Angel Eyes, criticize Wren’s moves, but you can’t say he hasn’t done anything. He made the first big FA acquisition of the off season. Got rid of Hanson and further improved our bullpen. Got a solid back up catcher. Re-signed Reed Johnson. It’s disappointing that he hasn’t been able to get a good LF, but it’s not wise to make a trade or sign a FA just for the sake of doing it. The FA market has been crazy and teams are demanding a lot in trades too.
Didn’t you say last night you wanted to re-sign Bourn? Because if we hadn’t got Upton, we’d still probably be waiting for Bourn at this point. Boras tends to drag these things out. Would you still be complaining that Wren hadn’t filled CF?
December 13th, 20123:51 pm
Why would L.A. trade Trumbo?
December 13th, 20123:52 pm
Or I should say, why would they trade Trumbo to Atl? Word is they might trade to NY for R.A. Dickey.
December 13th, 20123:54 pm
Brown, they aren’t.
December 13th, 20123:56 pm
I know, guy. Others were speculating they would, and I was doubting them
December 13th, 20124:02 pm
Just read through this whole blog. Lots of good insight and thinking here from the wannabe GMs. The team is in excellent shape to make a World Series run, and the pitching staff stands to be the best in all of baseball. The competition to make the rotation will be intense. And then there’s Mr. “Pitching doesn’t win ball games” Angel Eyes. Oh, my.
I’m taking all bets right now. The Braves’ leadoff hitter and starting left fielder in 2013 will be . . .
Yep, you can count on it, and you won’t be disappointed either.
December 13th, 20124:07 pm
@Rick C A lot of perfect fit LFers have slipped right thru his hands because he wants the money to do Nothing. I did that I would be fired. So should he. He made the team worse not better. No Plaqyoffs for Braves .
December 13th, 20124:10 pm
Joe, I think the Braves have the best bullpen in all of baseball, but not the best rotation.
@Single White Dove — Smoltz was figuring it out in his second year — in 1989 he was 12-11 with a 2.94 ERA and an All-Star on a bad team. He did go through the learning curve when he came up in the second half of 88, but there was something there.
Glavine struggled some that first full yr but even when he was 7-17 there was something there that I thought as the team got better, there was upside there. He was a solid 14-8 with a bad 1989 team.
Delgado has shown me something to date — Teheran just does not have it and with the velocity lower at such a young age — that is a big red flag.
They hung on to a highly thought of prospect in Jo Jo Reyes too long & he is the worst pitcher in team history.
December 13th, 20124:16 pm
Most of the pessimism around here is the distrust of Liberty Media and its flat budget it gives the baseball operation to work with.
The price of talent is going up and up and ownership wants to pay 2003’s wages.
That is not going to work for much longer.
The sky will fall but not in 2013.
At least we got one major league caliber player in BJ.
The extreme pessimists disagree with me but I am counting on a better Uggla and Mc Cann.
Angel Eyes, again you have to consider the cost (money and/or players) and if they are worth that. It’s a tough situation to be in as the FA market this year wasn’t that great, and even guys who performed poorly last year are getting paid. And the trade demands for most players have been really high, from what has been reported.
December 13th, 20124:18 pm
Teheran has not even started 5 games in the ML. Way too early to say if he will pan out or not.
December 13th, 20124:29 pm
Brown – I think you are talking about last year. I’m talking about next year.
December 13th, 20124:34 pm
@Rick C Span goes for minor leaguer. Could have got him foe 2. That is just 1 example. Time after time they slip by bease they can’t PITCH so he doesn’t want them. WOW he got Pena. Great job another no hit player Thats the type WREN likes Fire him now. He just put us out of playoffs because he won’t get what we need All he wants is PITCHING. PUT Hudson in left field. Make Wren happy.
December 13th, 20124:41 pm
Nope. talking about 2013. Braves rotation is good, but not the best. Not even best in our division
December 13th, 20124:48 pm
I was surprised Span went for only one A player, but Meyer has pretty high upside. And we simply don’t know who the Twins demanded from the Braves. You’re just making a straw man argument against Wren. He’s not trying to get more pitching, he just won’t trade away our top pitching depth if it’s not for something significant. I might have done Teheran for Span, but again we have no idea what the cost was. For all we know the Twins may have been demanding a lot more from the Braves because they liked Meyer’s upside more. He’s 6′9″ with good fastball velocity and a strong changeup. As far as I know the Braves don’t really have any guys like that in their farm system.
December 13th, 20124:52 pm
*strong curveball, not a changeup.
We shall see about that.
December 13th, 20124:59 pm
@Rick C He wont give up his Precious PITCHING to get what we need That is why he is a LOSER
December 13th, 20125:05 pm
For the millionth time man, you’ve got to weigh the costs. Its not as simple as you are trying to make it out to be. For example, we do know the demands of the Rockies for Dexter Fowler. They want both Minor and either Delgado or Teheran. He can play left field and lead off. But would you make that trade? I sure as hell would not.
December 13th, 20125:09 pm
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