Teheran tops Baseball America’s Top 10 Braves prospect list

For an organization that prides itself on being pitching rich, the Braves saw that reinforced Monday when Baseball America named seven pitchers among its Top 10 Braves prospects for 2013.

1. Julio Teheran, RHP

2. J.R. Graham, RHP

3. Christian Bethancourt C

4. Sean Gilmartin LHP

5. Lucas Sims, RHP

6. Mauricio Cabrera, RHP

7. Alex Wood, LHP

8. Evan Gattis, LF/C

9. Zeke Spruill, RHP

10. Jose Peraza, SS

Teheran, 21, was named the Braves’ top prospect for the third consecutive year. After a dominant 2011 season in Triple-A, he admittedly struggled in his return to Triple-A Gwinnett in 2012, but he’s been back to form in the Dominican Republic this winter. Teheran, who went 7-9 with a 5.08 ERA in 26 starts in Gwinnett last year, is 2-1 with a 3.23 ERA in seven starts this winter for the Licey Tigers.

He hasn’t allowed a run in his past three starts – while giving up only two hits – over 16 2/3 innings. He gave up only one hit, struck out eight and walked none in six innings on Sunday while pitching in front of Braves manager Fredi Gonzalez and general manager Frank Wren, who visited the Dominican over the weekend.

Graham, a hard-throwing right-hander with an upper 90s fastball, was named the Braves minor league pitcher of the year after going went 12-2 with a 2.80 ERA in 26 starts this season for Single-A Lynchburg and Double-A Mississippi last summer. He had 110 strikeouts and only 34 walks in 148 innings combined at the two levels.

Bethancourt, a more defensive-minded heir apparent to catcher Brian McCann, was named a Braves Top 10 prospect for the third time in four years. He was No. 6 in 2010, No. 9 in 2012 and is now No. 4.

Rounding out the top five are the Braves’ first round draft picks from each of the past two years, left-hander Sean Gilmartin, who is bound for Triple-A on a fast-track trajectory, and Lucas Sims, the right-hander the Braves drafted No. 21 overall in June out of Brookwood High School in Snellville, Ga.

Last year’s Top 10 Braves prospects included Teheran, Arodys Vizcaino (traded in July to Cubs in the Paul Maholm deal), Randall Delgado and Andrelton Simmons (both ineligible this year because of time spent in the majors), Gilmartin, infielders Edward Salcedo and Tyler Pastornicky, Spruill, Bethancourt and third baseman Brandon Drury.

103 comments Add your comment

Chase

December 10th, 2012
3:52 pm

First, at some point you have to morph from prospect to productive player

jbailz23

December 10th, 2012
4:17 pm

^^^ Or trade them for one…

Curt

December 10th, 2012
4:39 pm

Teheran is good trade value now.

No. 1 Braves Fan

December 10th, 2012
4:41 pm

Braves do great signing pitching prospects. They could do more or better at signing position players.

No. 1 Braves Fan

December 10th, 2012
4:41 pm

Braves do great signing pitching prospects. They could do more or better at signing position players.

stew

December 10th, 2012
4:54 pm

Make a deal for Justin and use Simmons as the SS that Snakes require. Janish could be the starting SS the Braves. Janish put us in the wild card game. It doesn’t matter that he can’t hit. They can have Justin but they must sacrifice Simmons in order to get him.

who me?

December 10th, 2012
5:04 pm

are you kidding me? trading Simmons NOW? fugedabout it. Stew, what are you thinking?? for Justin Upton??

bobbymahlon

December 10th, 2012
5:07 pm

I wonder why Cunningham and Ahmed were not rated high enough to make this list. I thought Ahmed was rated higher than Peraza.

Brownie

December 10th, 2012
5:09 pm

Braves don’t want J Upton bad enough to trade Simmons, who will win a few gold gloves before he’s done. And although Janish’s defense is solid, he has at most 90% at best of Simmons’ range at SS, and zero offense. We’ve seen the best Janish has, and it’s not even close to what Simmons already has shown – his offense will be much better than you give him credit for. He hit over .280 last year with decent OBP hitting 8th!

I’d rather the Braves trade one of their pitching prospects to get either Alex Gordon or Bonifacio.

bobbymahlon

December 10th, 2012
5:09 pm

I’m sure glad Stew is not our GM trading Simmons for Upton.

Wes Jorga

December 10th, 2012
5:30 pm

Gattis has finally proved he is legitimate.

my-LORD

December 10th, 2012
5:30 pm

GET a LF’er….

Joey M

December 10th, 2012
5:37 pm

We should give Gattis a chance to win the LF job out of Spring Training. I think Gattis could be like Mark McGwire. He has a short, compact stroke. If we don’t make LF a “winner takes all” out of spring, then lets sign Ichiro and put him in left.

Paddy

December 10th, 2012
5:38 pm

If you are the GM and trade Simmons, you are now out of a job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jim Edwards

December 10th, 2012
5:44 pm

Don’t want J. Upton. Afraid the brother dynamic would backfire and we would have two unhappy players with having to turn around and trade one of them.

Jim Edwards

December 10th, 2012
5:44 pm

Don’t want J. Upton. Afraid the brother dynamic would backfire and we would have two unhappy players with having to turn around and trade one of them.

Jim Edwards

December 10th, 2012
5:44 pm

Don’t want J. Upton. Afraid the brother dynamic would backfire and we would have two unhappy players with having to turn around and trade one of them.

JoeFan

December 10th, 2012
5:53 pm

What are the Braves going to do with their overstock of pitching prospects? Ultimately a couple will make it to Atlanta as the rotation turns over but that leaves several with no place to go and rather than hoarding them in the minors, maybe its time to use a couple to acquire legitimate offensive players.

my-LORD

December 10th, 2012
5:59 pm

Trade with Reds for kid named Billy Hamilton Of’er that can hit for average and run like the wind..played AA last year but could be our lead-off hitter,

Rick C

December 10th, 2012
6:17 pm

my-LORD, why exactly would the Reds, who collectively hit 207/254/327 out of the leadoff spot last year, have any desire to trade Hamilton?

Not Disgusted

December 10th, 2012
6:29 pm

BB America is not perfect — at what point is Teheran going to go from prospect to actual real MLB player.

I have my doubts he is the real thing. Overhyped.

least of the east

December 10th, 2012
6:34 pm

when you draft pitchers constantly (except in 2010), that’s what will happen. surprised Cunningham or Ahmed didn’t squeeze into the top 10. didn’t expect Grahma to be as high as #2. I think he went to same HS (Livermore, calif) as Randy Johnson. Braves drafted Johnson in 4th round of 1982 draft but he went to college.
looks like Lipka was a mistake as 35th overall in 2010.
none of these guys are elite prospects though. Teheran probably isn’t seen as a #1 starter anymore.
the braves haven’t had a top 5 pick in ages. Minor was the closest(7th) and they picked him partly to save bonus money.

Jack in Macon

December 10th, 2012
6:38 pm

Curt and Stew: I’m glad neither of you are Frank Wren because both of you are nuts. Simmons is going to be a superstar and Teheran needs to be given the chance to develop (too much invested at this point). Have you noticed what kind of money starting pitchers are drawing on the FA market.

Ralph

December 10th, 2012
6:50 pm

Rick C

December 10th, 2012
6:17 pm
my-LORD, why exactly would the Reds, who collectively hit 207/254/327 out of the leadoff spot last year, have any desire to trade Hamilton?

Your probably right but everybody has his price, Wil Myres is proof of that, saw Hamilton in the furtures game, he’s awesome.

extremus

December 10th, 2012
6:52 pm

Two things bother me about Teheran being named Atlanta’s top prospect three years running. First is obviously the factthat so far he hasn’t been able to establish himself at the MLB level during that period. Second is the fact that there have apparently been no other prospects within the Braves organization (especially offensive players) who have shown enough promise to be rated higher. Our farm system, which once was the envy of all of baseball, is in serious need of an overhaul, it would appear.

extremus

December 10th, 2012
6:52 pm

Two things bother me about Teheran being named Atlanta’s top prospect three years running. First is obviously the factthat so far he hasn’t been able to establish himself at the MLB level during that period. Second is the fact that there have apparently been no other prospects within the Braves organization (especially offensive players) who have shown enough promise to be rated higher. Our farm system, which once was the envy of all of baseball, is in serious need of an overhaul, it would appear.

Ralph

December 10th, 2012
6:58 pm

Braves higher management have always had the attitude that they should draft pitchers, lots of pitchers, their thinking is you can always trade pitchers for position players which is mostly true however they never do.

ryan

December 10th, 2012
6:58 pm

I agree keep Simmons maybe get someone cheap like Ichrio who wants a around 10 mill that would be fine by me we don’t need to trade the farm unless its a once in a life time great trade .

Not Disgusted

December 10th, 2012
7:00 pm

What scares me is that Bethancourt (who is probably a young Gerald Laird in the making) is the third best prospect in the system.

That is not good.

GM wannabe

December 10th, 2012
7:00 pm

Can’t help but to wonder if the Braves could’ve landed Wil Myers somehow.

Over/Under/Over

December 10th, 2012
7:10 pm

Baseball America’s top suspects? I mean prospects?

Take those to McDonalds, give ‘em a buck and get a cup of coffee.

Bethancourt is going to be another over-rated Braves prospect that will never add much at the ML level. He will be Frenchy in catching gear!

Banjo Jimmy

December 10th, 2012
7:14 pm

ncgary – Just thinking about you. Hope you had a good day.

Rick C

December 10th, 2012
7:35 pm

“Your probably right but everybody has his price, Wil Myres is proof of that, saw Hamilton in the furtures game, he’s awesome.”

Different teams, different needs. Royals had OFs, and needed SP. Reds need a leadoff hitter, and Hamilton is near ready. Makes no sense for them to trade him.

Rick C

December 10th, 2012
7:36 pm

“First is obviously the factthat so far he hasn’t been able to establish himself at the MLB level during that period”

If a player has established themselves at the MLB level, how would they still be a prospect?

my-LORD

December 10th, 2012
8:36 pm

Ralph –Hamilton’s name was used in trade rumors on MLB during winter meetings.. Reds were talking about Bourn…etc.

I don’t pay Rick C any attention he thinks he knows it all…

Rick C

December 10th, 2012
8:49 pm

MLBTR doesn’t have a single thing on Billy Hamilton this offseason http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/billy-hamilton/

Reds said multiple times that Bourn was probably out of their price range.

I certainly don’t think that. But I back up my opinions with facts and try and look at these situations realistically. And there’s no logical reason to think that the Reds would be willing to trade Hamilton right now.

russ's spot

December 10th, 2012
9:19 pm

ozzie
you are not a realist. you are in love with justin upton.

Yuuup

December 10th, 2012
9:53 pm

Another day gone, and no LF’er. As I said before, I am just one person, but if the Braves start Francisco at 3rd, or if they platoon a couple of cheap nobody’s in LF next year, I am not spending a f’n dime on this team next season. They have money to spend, and players to trade. So they gave up half of their f’n farm system for a season if Teixeira, but they won’t give up a top prospect for a guy we can control for several years like Span, Revere, or Fowler? Span was attained on the cheap, no reason in hell the Braves couldn’t have gotten him. Don’t give me that crap that Delgado and Teheran are to valuable for a guy like Span, they were willing to trade Delgado for a few months of Dempster last year.

I am just sick of watching the Braves choke away every chance they have. Whether its having a 10 game lead in the Wild Card standings a couple years ago with only a month left in the season and choking that away, or playing in the first ever head to head Wild Card game at your home stadium this year, just to fall flat on your faces, I am sick of watching this team fail time and time again. You lost a few fan favorites this off season, you will need to do more than over spend on a CF’er who is not as good as the one we had last season, to get fans excited again. So far you lost a lot, and haven’t done jack crap to add and make this team better. That is why I am not spending a dime on this team until they make some moves. They can’t use payroll or trades as an excuse this time, make plays not excuses people.

Yuuup

December 10th, 2012
10:03 pm

The Braves couldn’t have gotten Myers from the Royals because they viewed Teheran and/or Delgado way to much to give up for a top prospect that just happens to play a position of need for the Braves. I mean why trade one of those guys for a top prospect that crushes homeruns and plays the OF and who is under team control for many years when they could have traded him for 3 months of a aging pitcher? That wouldn’t be the Braves way.

ugaaccountant

December 10th, 2012
10:10 pm

Frenchy in catching gear is EXACTLY what those rankings would suggest. He’s not being hyped up as a world beater. He’s being hyped up as a good glove solid player that will be a starter. Nothing more is likely.

Rick C

December 10th, 2012
11:03 pm

“The Braves couldn’t have gotten Myers from the Royals because they viewed Teheran and/or Delgado way to much to give up for a top prospect that just happens to play a position of need for the Braves.”

KC wanted a top of the rotation pitcher, not a prospect.

Kevin S

December 11th, 2012
1:27 am

When wondering if you should trade Simmons for Upton (realize it wont be straight up) , you need to ask yourself which comes around more often. A SS like Simmons or an OF like Upton? OF arent a dime a dozen. I dont know if Simmons will continue to improve but if the Braves believe he will, then he isnt going anywhere.

ButtermilkTuesdays

December 11th, 2012
3:14 am

Christ, some of you are absolutely ridiculous. Many of you complaining about Teheran have most likely never even seen the kid pitch in person. In fact, I doubt many on here have ever even attended a minor league game. All everyone does now is look up a player’s stats and then determine them to be “superstars,” or “over-hyped” all on account of their numbers. If you’re doing that, then you don’t know s**t.

ggs

December 11th, 2012
7:12 am

I have to admit that I am more than a little upset that the Braves have yet to go out and get a LF.I was hoping to see Alex Gordon patrolling LF for us next year but don’t think that will happen now that KC has traded Meyers.I think our options are limited now with Jacoby Ellsbury being the best player available that fits the role of leadoff hitter but don’t know if he is healthy or would be willing to switch to LF.Then there’s the Scott Boras thing.I liked Cody Ross also but have read some negative things about him recently.I hope Wren and company prove me wrong.

longtimefan

December 11th, 2012
7:28 am

Yuuup- The guys you mention as trade targets are not stars. They all have faults in their game. The common thread that makes you enamored with them is they aren’t Atlanta Braves. Gattis and Francisco potential to be big time thumpers. You don’t know until you give them a chance. If one or both work out we have a salary controlled big time player for 5-6 years so we can long term sign some rising stars. If they don’t pan out FW has the money to acquire a bat at mid season. Give our promising minor league talent a chance. After all, isn’t the how Span, Revere etc became sought after? Their clubs put them in the field, not knowing if they would produce at the ML level, and here they are-salivated after by some Atlanta fans. And to the above comment about the Braves lack of position players from the Farm- Freeman, Heyward, McCaan, Prado and Simmons is a pretty good start, wouldn’t you say?

alanfalcon

December 11th, 2012
7:47 am

Why is it the Braves always have these pitching prospects yet they can’t get anyone to trade for them putting the Braves in the drivers seat, sounds a little funny !

Richard

December 11th, 2012
8:51 am

You guys need to give up on Bonifacio. The guy sucks something awful. Needs to be Alex Gordon or settle for a FA like Cody Ross.

the truth...

December 11th, 2012
8:58 am

Any body remember Simmons? Just a year ago he wasn’t even on the radar and Pastornicky was the SS in waiting……….how’d that work out?

So barely 6 months later Simmons is in the bigs lighting up every one’s eyes and the Pastor is where?

It is time the Braves got off of that stuff the rookies in AA or AAA gig and give them a try in the bigs. Gattis or others should get a shot at left field and see what happens. If their mental make up isn’t up to the task to help them handle the shock then we’ll find out and take steps then…

@Longtimefan…..I’m with you, give the kids a shot and see what happen.

Bigboi

December 11th, 2012
9:22 am

I think we have to give Francisco a shot at 3rd and leave Prado in left. Francisco mashes when he plays everyday and has a really good glove, much better than the Chipper of late. Who knows maybe Gattis comes around during spring training and that will allow us to either trade Prado or make him our super sub, just kidding on prado.

my-LORD

December 11th, 2012
9:37 am

Ok smart as@ you trying to tell me I didn’t hear MLB talking about Billy H being a trade tool for Reds..MLB-TV. You a idiot sir!

Charlie Kerfeld

December 11th, 2012
9:57 am

We’ve been hearing about Tehran for years now. Every time he’s had an opportunity in the majors (including last spring training), he’s been terrible. He looks scared on the mound, and may not have the mental toughness neccessary to pitch at this level.

wren-a-player

December 11th, 2012
9:59 am

I don’t blame Wren for not trading for Wil Myers……….KC wanted both Medlen and Minor for Myers……..crazy.Looks like the team is set going forward,with or without a new Leftfielder!Platoon of Prado/Johnson/Gattis in left and Prado/Francisco on third with Prado playing every day at one of those positions.

Rick C

December 11th, 2012
10:00 am

I’d love to see Francisco get a chance to prove himself, but it’s hard to take that risk when your team is trying to contend.

“You a idiot sir!”

Oh the irony….

ALJ

December 11th, 2012
10:53 am

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ALJ

December 11th, 2012
10:54 am

I love those giving up on Teheran. He will only be 22 years old in January.

Mr Pitts

December 11th, 2012
11:26 am

We need to give up Simmons, Freeman,and Meds for J Upton. His WARS and WHIPs are off the charts.

ButtermilkTuesdays

December 11th, 2012
11:28 am

@ALJ: It really is amazing. These are the same folks that complain about the Teixeira deal– “How could we give up on Harrison and Feliz like that and just trade them away for one guy. Look at them now! Gah, sooo stooopid!” Then they turn around and complain about Teheran because he hasn’t, up to this point at least, become our bona fide ace. Therefore, they feel a trade should be in order just so we can acquire a left fielder (anybody at this point, it seems) just so we can say we have our roster set for 2013.

bvillebaron

December 11th, 2012
11:33 am

Charlie Kerfeld:

Yup, Teheran is “washed up” at the ripe old age of 21. Maybe we should actually give him a chance to pitch in the bigs and see what he can do over a full season. Seems like that plan worked out pretty well for Minor.

bvillebaron

December 11th, 2012
11:33 am

Charlie Kerfeld:

Yup, Teheran is “washed up” at the ripe old age of 21. Maybe we should actually give him a chance to pitch in the bigs and see what he can do over a full season. Seems like that plan worked out pretty well for Minor.

ijonathan

December 11th, 2012
11:46 am

Speaking of minor league talent, check out this piece on the Royals and their recent trade. Couple of Braves connections, including Moore and a mention of the Tex trade. However, the most interesting nugget (as in turd, as opposed to gold) is the paragraph or two on the utter uselessness of Jeff Francoeur as a major league outfielder. I found the defensive raking over the coals especially interesting. Validates what a lot of Braves fans noticed over the years…great arm, horrible defensive range and fundamentals.

Grantland puts out a lot of good stuff, if you’ve never visited it:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8732913/assessing-myers-shields-trade-royals-side-aint-pretty

Yuuup

December 11th, 2012
12:01 pm

longtimefan
December 11th, 2012
7:28 am

Yuuup- The guys you mention as trade targets are not stars. They all have faults in their game. The common thread that makes you enamored with them is they aren’t Atlanta Braves. Gattis and Francisco potential to be big time thumpers. You don’t know until you give them a chance. If one or both work out we have a salary controlled big time player for 5-6 years so we can long term sign some rising stars. If they don’t pan out FW has the money to acquire a bat at mid season.
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Exactly what I am saying. So what happens when these guys suck it up and the Braves are already out of contention at midseason? I’m sorry that I don’t have the same optimistic views as some of you, but you can’t lose a team Icon like Chipper Jones and replace him with a fat, lazy 3rd baseman that strikes out a ton and expect to be in the same situation they were in last season. Then they lose a clubhouse leader and one hell of a compliment at catcher like Rossy and replace him with a fat backup that doesn’t have the defensive or offensive skills as Rossy. Like it or not, the Braves have taken a huge step backwards since last season despite having the most money to work with in a very long time.

Rick C

December 11th, 2012
12:14 pm

Yuuup, so who exactly do you want the Braves to go after right now? The trades and FA acquisitions that have been made up to this point are set in stone, so what would you do with the money and players left right now?

The Truth....

December 11th, 2012
12:21 pm

Trade one of those many pitching prospects for a true HITTER! DO IT! PULL THE TRIGGER FOR GODS SAKE!

Samurai Squirrel

December 11th, 2012
12:25 pm

Trade all 10 for good veterans.

Kentavo

December 11th, 2012
12:30 pm

Teheran may have a better toolbox and potential, but he seems to pitch scared, compared to Delgado, who supposedly isn’t as talented, but to me, seems to have more moxie on the mound.

David O'Brien

December 11th, 2012
12:41 pm

Teheran may have a better toolbox and potential, but he seems to pitch scared, compared to Delgado, who supposedly isn’t as talented, but to me, seems to have more moxie on the mound.Kentavo

I pretty much agree, at least so far. Don’t know if it’s fear or what, but the mental side with Teheran hasn’t impressed me nearly as much as with Delgado. But again, both are still real young. Way too early, in my opinion, to judge Teheran and what kind of career he’s going to have.

greg

December 11th, 2012
12:48 pm

Concerns me that they are mostly pitchers. Need to get some Position players onto the list.

greg

December 11th, 2012
12:48 pm

Concerns me that they are mostly pitchers. Need to get some Position players onto the list.

NORRIS CHUCK

December 11th, 2012
12:49 pm

In other news:

Rakuten Eagles To Sign Andruw Jones

By Ben Nicholson-Smith [December 11 at 8:49am CST]

Andruw Jones has agreed to play in Japan for the Rakuten Eagles, according to an Associated Press report (via ESPN.com). Nikkan Sports reported the agreement four days ago (via Patrick Newman of NPB Tracker). Jones, a client of the Boras Corporation, will earn $3.5MM or so assuming he passes his physical, according to Nikkan Sports.

Jones played for the Yankees in 2012, hitting 14 home runs and posting a .197/.294/.408 batting line in 269 plate appearances. The 35-year-old played both corner outfield positions and earned a $2MM salary. A right-handed hitter known for his success against left-handed pitching (.258/.357/.496 career batting line), Jones hit ten of his 14 home runs against southpaws in 2012.

The 17-year MLB veteran has 434 career home runs, ten Gold Gloves and five All-Star appearances. Though his production declined after he turned 30, Jones has still been worth 59.5 wins above replacement and could be considered a Hall of Fame candidate.

Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#I2dTAPuzu3CkyrLA.99

WigWamWisps

December 11th, 2012
1:34 pm

I would trade a couple of prospect pitchers like Graham but not Minor, Teheran or Delgado.

ijonathan

December 11th, 2012
1:36 pm

For me, when I think Andruw Jones, “Hall of Fame” isn’t the first, seventh or twentieth thing that comes to mind.

Angel Eyes

December 11th, 2012
2:49 pm

Got all that pitching and no hitters.

Frank Wren

December 11th, 2012
2:53 pm

Oh boy! Andruw is now a Japanese player. Great. You know we need someone else in the outfield. I’ll go sign him to an expensive long contract because I like over the hill players and guys from Japan.

Hank44

December 11th, 2012
2:55 pm

Several posts on here talk about how over rated the top ten Braves prospects are.If they are that bad then that would explain why there hasn’t been a trade.Why would another team want them.

Seattle Braves

December 11th, 2012
2:55 pm

Im guessing that Gattis is going to get a long look in Spring Training. I honestly think prado should sstart in LF and Fransico at third. If Gattis tears it up, then give him a call up.

Rick C

December 11th, 2012
3:11 pm

Hank44, you could just as well assume that other teams covet our prospects and are trying to get more out of a potential trade and Wren is hesitant to give up on them. For example, it is rumored that the Rockies want both Minor and either Delgado or Teheran for Fowler. The stupid posters here can think what they think, it doesn’t mean anything.

bobbymahlon

December 11th, 2012
3:20 pm

Remembr all you Francisco fans he hit .189 against left hand pitching last year so he has got to improve on that and he struck out one in every three times at bat with no home runs. He is also fair if that at defense.
I for one am not for platoonig him instead use him as a pinch hitter agaist right hand pitching.

northbeach Scott

December 11th, 2012
3:24 pm

Great article @11:46 ijonathan on the KC Wil Meyers trade. Dayton may have finally cooked his own goose.

Hank44

December 11th, 2012
3:38 pm

Rick C i agree with you.I hope the Braves can get an outfielder but i don’t want them to sell the farm to do it.
I live about two hours from Cincinnati and the stories that i have seen said that Billy Hamilton is almost untouchable.

Rick C

December 11th, 2012
3:43 pm

bobbymahlon, hey his career OPS against LHP is 446, and last year it was 468, so maybe he’s on an upward trend ;) Seriously though, he definitely needs to improve there. I’m not sure what websites provide minor splits, but I’d be interested to see his stats against LHP when he was coming up.

I don’t think he has much use as a PH though either. He hits far better when he’s starting versus PH. Career 281/312/478 as 3B, 183/280/317 as PH.

WigWamWisps

December 11th, 2012
4:16 pm

Frank Wren had better wake up and deal for an outfielder. The Reds are about to land Shin Soo Choo from the Cleveland Indians in exchange for Drew Stubbs and a minor league shortstop. If that’s all it takes to get Choo, Wren could have pulled that off easy. I saw Wren on MLB Network and he gave a sly grin when they were discussing dealing for an outfielder. He had better have something up his sleeve.

Yuuup

December 11th, 2012
4:38 pm

Rick,

Yeah those trades are set in stone because the Braves didn’t try hard enough to get any of those players, and instead watched our division rivals get them. So Teheran or Delgado couldn’t have landed Span? Span would have been a great addition to this lineup to bat leadoff and play LF.

The Jays haven’t come right out and said that Bonifacio is available, but I believe a top pitching prospect could get him in a deal, so why haven’t we heard anything on that front? What about Revere from the Twins? Oh yeah, the Phillies got him. The point here is that the Braves are dragging their feet and watching other teams make deals on players that could help this team a great deal. Look now, the Reds are on the verge of acquiring Shoo from the Indians, there, another option gone.

So who will the Braves get? Probably a 1 year Boras rental like Ellsbury, and give up the same package that we could have given up to get a guy like Span or Revere who are under team controls for a few years at the least. Or they will just sit idly by and platoon 2 nobody’s for LF, or they will stick with Prado in LF (which is fine by me) and stick Francisco’s fat lazy butt out there as the everyday 3rd baseman while they sit on their cash in the bank. Not saying a team has to spend all the money they have available, but losing Chipper, Bourn, Rossy, and Hinske (clubhouse only on Hinske) and replacing them with Upton, Laird, and whoever just won’t get it done. Funny how when the Braves have payroll restraints they can pull off deals anytime they want, but give them 17 million or more in flexibility and watch them sit idly by and not do a damn thing. By not doing a damn thing, I don’t mean over spending on a CF’er that is not as good as the one we had last season, sorry.

Rick C

December 11th, 2012
4:57 pm

We have no idea if Teheran or Delgado could have landed Span, and if so, if Wren was willing to make that deal. As far as I’ve seen there were not any specific rumors about the Twins’ demands from the Braves. They got a hard throwing pitcher drafted out of college with one year of A ball experience. I’m not really sure if we have anyone that profiles similarly.

The Phillies way overpaid for Revere. They gave up a number four starter and their second best pitching prospect. So, roughly the equivalent of Minor and Delgado. Would you have given that up for a guy with a career 642 OPS? Come on now…

We know that the Braves are interested in Bonifiacio, I’m not sure what else you’re expecting to hear. Toronto has been silent and the Wren doesn’t usually divulge specifics. But honestly, I’m not really sure why’d you want him anyway. Does he really make our team that much better? As a utility option, sure. But not as an everyday player. Had one good year due to an abnormally high BABiP.

I would definitely rather have Choo than Ellsbury, but he would also be a 1 year Boras rental.

By the way, although he would fit a completely different role in the lineup so there is more to consider than just OPS, I think it’s worth mentioning that Francisco has a career OPS of 742. That is significantly better than Revere and Bonifacio, and only 2 pts below Span.

Bigboi

December 11th, 2012
5:16 pm

I love the idea of giving the Big Bopper Francisco an everyday shot. The kid can flat out mash when playing everyday. Just you wait and see.

Seattle Braves

December 11th, 2012
6:02 pm

I still believe the Braves have the potential to bring in Upton or Stanton through trade. And without giving up Simmons in the process. HOW? idk….

Wishful thinking.

vesaversa

December 11th, 2012
6:14 pm

Until the Braves are sold to a private owner these players will always be seen as Commodites that subject be use up and then sold off to the highest bidders. The Braves aren’t concern with wining championship than filling the seats .

single white dove

December 11th, 2012
6:26 pm

ijonathan

December 11th, 2012
1:36 pm
For me, when I think Andruw Jones, “Hall of Fame” isn’t the first, seventh or twentieth thing that comes to mind.

Try to compare his stats with the coverted Dale Murphy, it will surprise you. Andruw Jones is alot better then what people think..

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NORRIS CHUCK

December 11th, 2012
6:54 pm

Yankees got Youklis and are now re-signing Ichiro.

The Dude

December 11th, 2012
8:07 pm

I can’t understand where some of you are gettng that the Braves don’t do a good job of developing position players and only develope pitchers. Last I checked, Heyward, Freeman, McCann, Prado, Simmons are all home grown.That’s pretty good whe 5 of 8 positions are filled from your farm system.

Derek

December 11th, 2012
8:16 pm

Yes, Gattis has proven his legitimacy making a top-10 prospect list for an organization. C’mon!

Derek

December 11th, 2012
8:18 pm

ARZ 3-way deal trading for their future SS (Didi Gregario) is about to happen. Stop with the Simmons/Upton trade talk. No one is listening.

JK

December 12th, 2012
9:37 am

Why am I the only one that thinks Simmons is tradeable? I think we forget sometimes how weak our minor league position players are. We are all pitching. When an above average position player develops in our system we think he is the next Albert Pujols.

Steve

December 12th, 2012
1:09 pm

Still no lead off hitter, and the Braves are running out of options. We are taking steps backward, even with having more money. Not impressed with the off-season.

DawgDad

December 12th, 2012
7:29 pm

I’m solidly in the camp that believes Simmons is a star in the making. Precisely what he turns out to be remains to be seen, but I wouldn’t rule out him leading off at some point.

I could see Wren going into Spring training and letting the players sort this out (Francisco, Gattis in particular). Me, I’d dump Uggla, put Prado back on second, trade a couple of pitching prospects for a good outfield prospect (power hitter or someone capable of playing center field), and go to work on the bench. You could make a case there’s no point dumping Uggla, but with a young pitching staff and what promises to be a very spotty offense I’d opt for maximum defense up the middle and open third base and left field for the prospects (Francisco, Gattis, others picked up in the trades) and Johnson.

Tampa Gator

December 13th, 2012
7:03 am

I would not trade Simmons for 3 Justin Uptons. Simmons will become the best SS in the national league….and he is only going to get a lot better as a hitter…..and he is already a very good hitter. Shortstops like Simmons do not come around very often….and the Braves need to hold on to him and sign him for the long term. He and the other Upton are going to save the Braves a lot of runs next year.

Joey

December 13th, 2012
9:36 am

“trade a couple of pitching prospects for a good outfield prospect (power hitter or someone capable of playing center field), ” – DawgDad
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I’m with you on Simmons, DawgDad, but you do know we have a new CF’er, BJ Upton, right?

Joey

December 13th, 2012
9:36 am

“trade a couple of pitching prospects for a good outfield prospect (power hitter or someone capable of playing center field), ” – DawgDad
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I’m with you on Simmons, DawgDad, but you do know we have a new CF’er, BJ Upton, right?

Mark's for the Braves

December 13th, 2012
1:36 pm

I’m willing to try Francisco at 3B and leave Prado in LF. Bat Simmons first and Prado second. Then use the cash to get a stud player during the year if needed.

GTPhenom

December 13th, 2012
11:55 pm

Francisco at third is what worries me the most. Sure, he played decently, but he hasn’t been great yet, and against lefties, he is abysmal. I’m just a bit worried about the offense going into this season. No Bourn, no Chipper, we lost Ross (and without B-Mac potentially for the first month or two of the season), we’re going to have to have great seasons from guys like Freeman, Upton, Uggla, and B-Mac when he gets back.

mudcat47

December 14th, 2012
1:10 pm

Every year we come out with a list of great young talent and very few of these guys actually make a significant contirbution to the Braves in the future. In the meantime, we could use some of this “potential” to trade for major league talent that can actually make a big difference in the postseason. Instead, Frank Wren and the Braves “brain trust” is afraid to pull the trigger because one of their propects may turn into a star later on. Enough!!! Show you have some balls and make a trade to win a championship. Go for it and stop being postseason losers!!!

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