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abeeeewright
December 18th, 2012
9:59 am
McFann … sad to here you didn’t win the McGnome contest, but you did a good job and should be rightly proud of yourself.
To quote so many Braves fans throughout the years, “Wait til next season … “
Brava
December 18th, 2012
10:01 am
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
Have heard same as @FeinsandNYDN: #Dodgers shopping Ethier. Story coming on http://Foxsports.com .
Zing
December 18th, 2012
10:05 am
Yeah, with the way Medlen throws it, I could see him being an innings-eater. Same for Minor, and Huddy is Huddy. I’m not concerned about it.
Re: the payroll, being an Atlanta sports teams fan in general, I really don’t want to see money thrown out there to meet some theoretical expectation. (Still astounded by that Joe Johnson contract, and he’s not even with the team any more!) If the right guy’s not there, don’t be profligate– we really don’t need Nick Swisher for 3 years, all right? Really.
I do think that the lineup and offense could be a significant problem early. McCann is out, and when he gets back, is he going to be McCann Classic or McCann Hurtsalot? (No confidence that Laird is going to generate much for this team). Is Simmons really going to be a decent bat or just a glove? He hasn’t played enough for us to know. Big question mark in LF/3B (Johnson/Prado/Francisco/Gattis could be great, could just be meh). Will Uggla finally not be ugly? Will Heyward continue his rebound of last year? Will BJ OBP above .300?
Lots of existing potential issues with the bats, guys. Or it could all work out! Who knows? But I’m not confident that the Braves will be posting a lot of crooked numbers.
A.P.
December 18th, 2012
10:05 am
His ERA+ and Whip were also the lowest and second lowest he’s had in the last 5 years. I get he’s 38 but he has been durable so I think he could easily still be the pitcher he’s been his whole career, including last year.
abeeeewright
December 18th, 2012
10:05 am
If Wren can’t sign something good for LF, I hope he uses the payroll space to buy out some arb years and fix some of next year’s uncertainty.
I’m now officially rooting for Gattis in LF in 2013.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 18th, 2012
10:05 am
rising ERA the last 3 years… 2.83, 3.22, 3.62 going up
innings: 228 (34 starts), 215 (33 starts), 179 (28 starts, was on pace for 210 innings)
his WHIP has risen, allowing more hits/9 each of the past 3 years… and his ERA+ is coming down (138, 119, 110)
flange1
December 18th, 2012
10:07 am
10Paul,
You are probably right!
ncscoots
December 18th, 2012
10:08 am
A lot of wishful thinking going on…A lot of doom and gloom going on as well.
As always, the season will probably be somewhere in the middle.
I have to admit, I’m leaning towards the hopeful end of the scale. A lot of things to like about this club, for anybody willing to see them.
A.P.
December 18th, 2012
10:10 am
His career ERA is 3.42, you can’t say one year at 3.62, which is still very good is a sign of decline. I just think you are counting out what a workhorse Huddy is. You can assume he will be a 3-4 starter but I think his track record and even achieving 16 wins with a 3.62 era in a shortened season for him say otherwise.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 18th, 2012
10:10 am
extending our core guys won’t really add to next year’s payroll…
keyLargo
December 18th, 2012
10:13 am
You guys have to include Ramiro Pena as one of the bench players. He’s a switch hitter also to help with the glut of RH bats
Bawlmer Brave
December 18th, 2012
10:14 am
Of course Ethier’s name will come up as someone the Braves should target, now that Dodgers are making it known that he can be available.
13:$13.5M, 14:$15.5M, 15:$18M, 16:$16M, 17:$18M, 18:$17.5M club option ($2.5M buyout)
Yes, he’d be another LH bat in the lineup, but I don’t see that as a problem. If McCann leaves after 2013, the only sure things for 2014 in the LH dept would be Heyward and Freeman. Being LH isn’t going to be what hurts Ethier’s chance of becoming a Brave IMO. The length of contract and the dollars are what will be the issue, as I see it. Getting Ethier would lock up the OF for the next few years FOR SURE, but at some significant cost.
Constructing the lineup to NOT bunch up the LH hitters could be troublesome, but not insurmountable. But I think it’s all a moot point, as I don’t see the Braves going after Ethier at all.
ncscoots
December 18th, 2012
10:14 am
But I’m not confident that the Braves will be posting a lot of crooked numbers.
A lot of things will have to go wrong for that to happen. A lot. Too much firepower on the club for it to be an anemic offense for a whole season.
Lew
December 18th, 2012
10:14 am
scoots – Yep, you nailed it – IF they choose to see it.
keyLargo
December 18th, 2012
10:18 am
Ramiro Pena was signed as a bench player a couple of weeks ago. Switch hitter and great defense. You can’t leave him off of the roster.
Brava
December 18th, 2012
10:20 am
MLB Network PR @MLBNetworkPR
.@Ken_Rosenthal on Andre Ethier trade rumors: “Teams that are seeing the market for outfielders close…they are contacting the #Dodgers.”
Brava
December 18th, 2012
10:22 am
And it sounds like a BS rumor…
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
Source: Two AL teams asked about #Dodgers’ Ethier. Team has “zero intention” of trading him but will listen. Full story coming soon.
ncscoots
December 18th, 2012
10:29 am
I do think that the lineup and offense could be a significant problem early.
If the FO thought that, I believe that they would have been much more willing to overpay for a FA or a trade.
A.P.
December 18th, 2012
10:35 am
Agree Scoots. This offense as is, has a chance to be good. Might lack consistency at times, but over the course of a year, we will score runs. Anything we get from left will be more than we got from Janish when he played a good deal during Simmon’s absence. I also fully believe Uggla will revert back to his 30+HR, 80-100Rbi self. He has done it his entire career, which alludes that last year was an anomaly.
Jeff R
December 18th, 2012
10:37 am
I also fully believe Uggla will revert back to his 30+HR, 80-100Rbi self. He has done it his entire career, which alludes that last year was an anomaly.
I hope so.
George_George
December 18th, 2012
10:37 am
Good morning all
scoots, the minorleaguecentral.com site is great. I bookmarked it.
Brava
December 18th, 2012
10:40 am
Jim Duquette Jim Duquette @Jim_Duquette
I don’t blame teams for inquiring about Ethier, but this makes NO sense from LAD standpoint. They’d have to eat at least half of the $$$
Jeff R
December 18th, 2012
10:40 am
But I’m not confident that the Braves will be posting a lot of crooked numbers.
A lot of things will have to go wrong for that to happen. A lot. Too much firepower on the club for it to be an anemic offense for a whole season.
Not thinking anemia will be the Braves’ problem. Being erratic is more likely to plague the Braves’ offense.
Brava
December 18th, 2012
10:45 am
Jim Duquette @Jim_Duquette
And then overpay Swisher in an inflated market place. I know LAD is throwing around a lot of $$ these days, but even THEY have limits!
George_George
December 18th, 2012
10:46 am
It would mean a lot if GATTIS has good ST, makes team, plays well. FREDI then has one more bench move in a game if he needs it. For those of you not to bright that means he could use both of the other catchers in same game. Also money not spent on a LFder could be used in part to sign PRADO now.
tony austin
December 18th, 2012
10:50 am
You got to love the hot stove league – from MLBTR:
9:30am: Two American League teams asked about Ethier, but the Dodgers have “zero intention” of trading him, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports (on Twitter)
Not even an hour earlier:
8:34am: Six months after extending Andre Ethier, the Dodgers are considering trading him.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#3ovo0wmY1Ikvu3iE.99
ncscoots
December 18th, 2012
10:52 am
Being erratic is more likely to plague the Braves’ offense.
Guess you have to define “erratic”. I don’t think there has ever been a team in history that meets the definition of “consistent” to which some here wish to hold the team. Not you, Jeff.
One of my definitions of a good offensive team is the ability to score four or more runs in at least 60% of their games. That’s about as consistent as a reasonable man could ask, when it comes to baseball.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 18th, 2012
10:56 am
Braves scored 4+ in 56% of their games last year… guess their pretty close, just need to do it in 6 more games (they did it 91 times last year)
abeeeewright
December 18th, 2012
10:59 am
The 1876 Pawtuxy Palefaces had the most consistent offense in the history of sports. They scored zero runs in all of their games, until finally disbanding in 1876.
George_George
December 18th, 2012
11:03 am
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 18th, 2012
10:56 am
WOW you got that stat fast. BTW are you really 17 years old? If you are why are you not in school?
Jeff R
December 18th, 2012
11:04 am
Guess you have to define “erratic”. I don’t think there has ever been a team in history that meets the definition of “consistent” to which some here wish to hold the team. Not you, Jeff.
scoots, I was thinking in terms of the prolonged droughts that some Braves are susceptible to (Ugs and, perhaps, Upton). And the propensity of Braves’ hitters to slump together in ‘11 and ‘12.
Otherwise, we’ve got Murderers’ Row in Atlanta.
George_George
December 18th, 2012
11:09 am
What a dropoff in stats, we lose CHIPPER and gain BJ.
Enquiring Minds Want To Know
December 18th, 2012
11:10 am
El Oso Blanco does not slump. He stands tall at all times. Towers, in fact.
A.P.
December 18th, 2012
11:13 am
The legend of El Oso Blanco is so much more intriguing than Bourjos, or Bonafacio.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 18th, 2012
11:13 am
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
#dodgers 1 aim rat moment is to find a reliever, preferably a lefty.
We have one… Lew, hush
ncscoots
December 18th, 2012
11:13 am
I was thinking in terms of the prolonged droughts that some Braves are susceptible to (Ugs and, perhaps, Upton). And the propensity of Braves’ hitters to slump together in ‘11 and ‘12.
Hopefully, the length of the lineup will ameliorate that in 2013. Really need four or five guys going good at the same time (at least one at the top of the order and three or four run producers), and with more guys capable of inflicting damage, maybe it will be easier to reach that bar more often and for longer periods of time. Regardless of the inevitable slumps players suffer.
Hey, even the Rangers last year had a month where they hit like dog-poo. It happens.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 18th, 2012
11:16 am
early college, GG… and I’m already done… working for my dad while on break (on the comp!) so I have this open, among many other tabs…
George_George
December 18th, 2012
11:19 am
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 18th, 2012
11:16 am
Ok, good for you.
ncscoots
December 18th, 2012
11:19 am
Braves scored 4+ in 56% of their games last year
I think you’ll find that the percentage was much higher than that through July. I think August and September met Jeff’s fear of communal slumpage.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 18th, 2012
11:29 am
Scored 4+ in 44 of 77 games before July 1…. 50 of 85 before the ASB (July 8)… 57.1% and 58.8% percent respectively.
From July 1 to seasons end, they scored 4+ in 55.3% of games, 53.25% from July 8 to season’s end.
For the season, they were at 56.2 percent.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 18th, 2012
11:34 am
62 of 103 through the end of July… 29 of 59 after that
60.2% through July 31, 49.2% from August 1 to season’s end
Zing
December 18th, 2012
11:35 am
A lot would have to go wrong for the offense to struggle early?
I don’t think so. How’s this scenario: Simmons struggles a little bit at the beginning of the year, Uggla enters one of his mega-slumps, whoever is playing LF starts whiffing, and Laird is just Laird. That’s a black hole of 4 spots in a row in the order (including the pitcher).
Note – I *hope* that doesn’t happen, I just think that it very well could.
ncscoots
December 18th, 2012
11:37 am
Which just goes to show that arbitrary end points are just that: arbitrary.
As I said, “through July”, I meant “July 31″.
Zing
December 18th, 2012
11:38 am
Also sure would have been nice to have “Ross” in that lineup rather than Laird, but oh well…
ncscoots
December 18th, 2012
11:38 am
I don’t think so. How’s this scenario:
So, you don’t think that half of the lineup faltering is “a lot”?
TennesseePaul
December 18th, 2012
11:41 am
I can understand the “Sporadic Offense” worry…
Mega Slumps.
From May 1st through August 21, 2012
___________AVG__OBP__SLG__OPS_HR__SO_BB
Upton.... .231 .294 .402 .696 14 115 35
Uggla.... .190 .337 .341 .678 10 112 63
McCann... .226 .306 .430 .737 15 050 30
BJ Upton mega slumps:
_________Start__G__AVG__OBP__SLG__OPS_HR__SO_BB
2012.... 05/01 095 .231 .294 .402 .696 14 115 35
2011.... 04/12 119 .212 .295 .371 .666 16 129 49
2010.... 04/30 075 .211 .299 .355 .654 04 078 31
2009.... 04/13 056 .213 .305 .309 .614 03 073 31
TennesseePaul
December 18th, 2012
11:48 am
One of my definitions of a good offensive team is the ability to score four or more runs in at least 60% of their games.
Braves haven’t done this since 2007.
Lew
December 18th, 2012
11:50 am
Yeah, the Braves scored four or more runs more frequently up til July 31 and were only 15 games over .500 at that point. Yet from Aug.1 through the end of the season, they were 12 games over .500 in many fewer games.
I guess what that proves is that it’s a team sport and you can win with offense or pitching and defense.
George_George
December 18th, 2012
11:50 am
TennesseePaul
December 18th, 2012
11:41 am
Thank you TP for proveing my points about signing BJ, and surely not for the money we did. FRANK has make two big mistakes UPTON and UGGLA, he does not do well with players whos names start with U. FRANK of course had no way of knowing DAN would drop off like that as soon as he came to ATLANTA.
ncscoots
December 18th, 2012
11:51 am
Mega Slumps.
On the other hand, Uggla blistered from the last half of 2011 through the first part of 2012. What the Braves need from that guy is to frickin’ even it out a tad.
And do it in the same season.
As for Upton…ahhh, scroom, I got no idea, LOL.
TennesseePaul
December 18th, 2012
11:51 am
Really can’t believe BJ Upton is making $15M a year. I find that more disturbing than Uggla’s $13M salary. At least Uggla provided OBP and SLG before he was signed.
ncscoots
December 18th, 2012
11:53 am
Braves haven’t done this since 2007.
That seems right. They haven’t really had a lot of offensive depth in recent years.
Lew
December 18th, 2012
11:53 am
Or any combination thereof.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 18th, 2012
11:54 am
Told y’all Upton was no good… there’s more proof of it above…
I guess what that proves is that it’s a team sport and you can win with offense or pitching and defense.
We still need more pitching!
ncscoots
December 18th, 2012
11:56 am
Pitching and defense lessen the chance of losing. That is not the same thing as winning. Only runs scored “wins” games.
George_George
December 18th, 2012
11:58 am
TennesseePaul
December 18th, 2012
11:51 am
Really can’t believe BJ Upton is making $15M a year. I find that more disturbing than Uggla’s $13M salary. At least Uggla provided OBP and SLG before he was signed.
****************************************************************************
Yup, AGREED
Efrim
December 18th, 2012
11:58 am
Really can’t believe BJ Upton is making $15M a year. I find that more disturbing than Uggla’s $13M salary. At least Uggla provided OBP and SLG before he was signed.
Well, they are hoping Upton suddenly figures it out and I’m sure the lack of CF throughout the system concerned them. They paid for what Uggla had done and it hasn’t worked out so far(now he’ll be 33), so maybe this will?
TennesseePaul
December 18th, 2012
11:58 am
That seems right.
Yes. It also means posters who lament the current offensive construction of this line up are within rights of your threshold. Last season, by your definition the Braves did not have a good offensive line-up, and so far the moves this off-season have not amounted to enough to improve upon an already sub-par offense, based on your definition, hence the concern.
jim
December 18th, 2012
12:02 pm
I think the big question about Gattisd in LF next year is not how well he will hit, but how well he is able to field. He has had very little experience at the position and has been used almost exclusively as a DH in winter ball. I could see him starting in AAA for a couple of months for the defensive seasoning as much for his offensive developmentm then getting a promotion — with Constanza or Schafer bding a 2-month stand-in while Gattis gets ready.
If Gattis AND Francisco both show they are ready to hold down a full-time MLB job, and Uggla 2013 = Uggla 2012, then he should be the odd man out. He won’t add any trade value (if he has any) on the bench but he is part of the Prado, Gattis, Franjcisco, Uggla where do you play them mix.
TennesseePaul
December 18th, 2012
12:02 pm
Told y’all Upton was no good
Yes, because I recall just a few short weeks ago about how every one was begging for BJ Upton.
… there’s more proof of it above…
What was above was a list of numbers from an Offensive body of work that is superior to Bourjos, but that doesn’t seem to stop you from being a Bourjos Booster…
Efrim
December 18th, 2012
12:02 pm
Told y’all Upton was no good… there’s more proof of it above…
Honestly, I feel sick to my stomach to think of what we would run out there if it wasn’t Upton and what the payroll would be if we didn’t give the cash to him. Todd Cunningham and Evan Gattis in CF and LF??!?!
Awesome. Why don’t we trade Martin Prado and go with Joey Terdoslvich at 3B. That’d be great. 2010 draftees unite. Tony DeMacio’s dream and a 70 win team. I guess that’d get us a Top 10 draft pick for 2014, right?
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 18th, 2012
12:07 pm
Well, hey, at least BJ has some sock in the bat, right? Thunder… That not even .400 avg. slugging, terrible OBP, and Ks galore avg. over the past 4 years… occurring in slumps that are about 90 games long…
Fun. $15mil worth right there… No Mercy. For us.
BravePack(FreeFan)
December 18th, 2012
12:07 pm
Thank God Wren signed Upton for what he’s about to do because what’s done is done and in the past. The future looks bright except for the naysayers but nothing will ever change their opinion so who cares. Upton is entering his prime years and has a line up to hit in which he’s never had. Hey maybe Wren should have signed a 33 year old Victorino for 2 million less and TOBF George x2 and TP would have been really happy then.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 18th, 2012
12:12 pm
Bourjos a better defender and much cheaper… Bourjos posted a better season when he started than BJ has since 2008. I’d say that Bourjos could post at least a .740 OPS, which is about the same as what BJ will do.
Then with the other 30mil we had, sign Swisher or Hamilton… try for Olt, Willingham, whoever. Maybe Gattis is ready. It’s been said that we don’t have to spend money just to spend it, but I feel that we’ve done that with BJ. He hasn’t gotten any better, so screw this “potential” talk.
Brava
December 18th, 2012
12:12 pm
Jayson Stark @jaysonst
Even after Carlos Pena signing @baseball_ref projects #Astros 2013 payroll at $24.9 million! And that counts $5M they’ll pay Wandy Rodriguez
Efrim
December 18th, 2012
12:14 pm
dschoenfield David Schoenfield
Question to Giants fans: Barry Zito beat Justin Verlander in a World Series game, so does that make Zito better than Verlander?
Absolutely. And giving Santiago Casilla a three year, $15 million dollar deal is more reason why Brian Sabean is the bestest GM in the MLB.
Brava
December 18th, 2012
12:15 pm
Jayson Stark @jaysonst
At moment #Astros have 3 arb-eligibles – Norris, Lowrie & W Wright. One NL exec says it “wouldn’t shock me in the least” if they trade all 3
George_George
December 18th, 2012
12:17 pm
UPTON past four seasons .237 .243 .241 .246 batting aveages last year .292 OBP, enough said.
Lew
December 18th, 2012
12:17 pm
“Would have been really happy”
Not even a possibility. Pigs would fly first and rain bacon on us all.
Efrim
December 18th, 2012
12:19 pm
He hasn’t gotten any better, so screw this “potential” talk.
Weird, neither has Peter Bourjos.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 18th, 2012
12:20 pm
.745, .759, .752 OPS the past 3, .316 OBP the past 4 years…. Nice
in 2007, he had a .393 BABIP. That ain’t happening AGAIN.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 18th, 2012
12:27 pm
Has Bourjos played 4 straight seasons and been mediocre though? I just see 1 sub-par season after a great one, where he got injured and became a part-timer because of Trout… he’s 25. And we wouldn’t be committing 15 friggin mil a year to him.
Lew
December 18th, 2012
12:29 pm
Committing? You mean committing to a non offense by adding Bourjos?
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 18th, 2012
12:30 pm
Some executives believe the Diamondbacks will trade Justin Upton even after GM Kevin Towers said a deal seems unlikely. There’s a perception that the Diamondbacks are down on Upton, Rosenthal notes.
JasonInFL
December 18th, 2012
12:30 pm
Relax, folks. We are going to get Willingham.
Lew
December 18th, 2012
12:35 pm
“Has been Bourjos played four years and been mediocre?”
No and yes. .247, .301, .402, .703 Very mediocre.
But he does well when he plays full time, right? Yet the Angels apparntly don’t want him playing full time, do they?
CB
December 18th, 2012
12:35 pm
Different day,same argument. This is getting really,really old and very boring to 99% of the blog. But by all means carry on.
Lew
December 18th, 2012
12:36 pm
Excuse me – a bit of a mistype there. He is not a has been – would have had to have done something first to be a has been.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 18th, 2012
12:37 pm
Angels apparntly don’t want him playing full time, do they?
Yeah cuz who wouldn’t choose Hamilton over Bourjos, especially when they needed to make a splash?
Lew
December 18th, 2012
12:38 pm
CB – Then what would you suggest we argue about?
CB
December 18th, 2012
12:40 pm
The Mayan Calender works better than this discussion,Lew.
Lew
December 18th, 2012
12:43 pm
If they were that happy with him to begin with they would have felt no need to go and sign Hamilton, now would they?
Lew
December 18th, 2012
12:44 pm
CB – Then if so, hang out until Friday and then you won”t have to concern yourself with tired arguments.
Hillbilly
December 18th, 2012
12:48 pm
Pigs would fly first and rain bacon on us all.
Wondering which of the buggers to blame, and watching…….for pigs on the wing.
Lew
December 18th, 2012
12:51 pm
Hillbilly – The way things have been lately, maybe it’s Eugene and his Axe we need to watch out for. But the Bacon WOULD be nice.
JC Brave
December 18th, 2012
12:51 pm
And here we go with the freaking Bourjos again…
Lew
December 18th, 2012
12:54 pm
I’d be more than happy to never hear the name again. He’s not my obsession.
DAP
December 18th, 2012
12:54 pm
efrim Barry Zito beat Justin Verlander in a World Series game, so does that make Zito better than Verlander?
he was that day, wasnt he?
George_George
December 18th, 2012
1:00 pm
Pigs would fly first and rain bacon on us all
********************************************
They might be raining more than bacon on us.
ncscoots
December 18th, 2012
1:03 pm
Last season, by your definition the Braves did not have a good offensive line-up, and so far the moves this off-season have not amounted to enough to improve upon an already sub-par offense, based on your definition, hence the concern.
And if they were re-playing last year, that might be a valid concern. Since they aren’t, it doesn’t seem very relevant to me.
Instead, what does seem relevant is that they have some RH offensive balance and McCann has a healthy shoulder. In addition, Heyward and Freeman have another year’s experience, and Simmons is here from Opening Day. Now, I understand that some might consider those things inconsequential, but that’s their problem.
JC Brave
December 18th, 2012
1:08 pm
According to Ken Rosenthal, AZ is still going to trade Justin Upton. Yeah, I know, it’s highly unlikely the Braves get him. But it wouldn’t hurt to ask now that Towers has his SS…
George_George
December 18th, 2012
1:10 pm
JC Brave
December 18th, 2012
1:08 pm
One UPTON IS WAY MORE THAN ENOUGH, I will say JUSTON has better numbers.
JC Brave
December 18th, 2012
1:11 pm
Heck, maybe even call KC and push them a little bit to see if they’d be willing to trade Gordon.
Brava
December 18th, 2012
1:12 pm
Jon Morosi @jonmorosi
#Mets acquire Collin Cowgill from #Athletics for infielder Jefry Marte.
JC Brave
December 18th, 2012
1:15 pm
George_George
Well, what else is out there?
Sure, I’d like to see what Gattis can do, but I’d prefer to have a proven hitter/outfielder out there if the Braves are really expecting to be competitive.
Efrim
December 18th, 2012
1:22 pm
#Mets acquire Collin Cowgill from #Athletics for infielder Jefry Marte.
That’s their platoon CF option with Niewenhuis. I can’t believe that would be it for them in the outfield. They can’t go with Mike Baxter and Lucas Duda on the corners, right?
ncscoots
December 18th, 2012
1:29 pm
not amounted to enough to improve upon an already sub-par offense, based on your definition
The initial thread had to do with “consistency”, not whether the offense was “sub-par” or not. You should have challenged on “good”, I guess. I gotta make sure I get the exact correct wording in these things.
abeeeewright
December 18th, 2012
1:46 pm
For TOBF …
Original Lyrics by Animotion …
“Bourjos Obsession”
You are an obsession, I cannot sleep
I am a possession unopened at your feet
There is no balance, no equality
Be still I will not accept defeat
I will have you, yes I will have you
I will find a way and I will have you
Like a butterfly, a wild butterfly
I will collect you and capture you
You are an obsession, you’re my obsession
Who do you want me to be to make you play center field for me
(x2)
I feed you, I drink you by day and by night
I need you, I need you by sun or candlelight
You protest, you refuse the trade
You say there’s no alternative
Your face appears again, I see the beautiful defense there
But I see danger, stranger beware
A circumstance in your naked dreams
Your affection is not what it seems
You are an obsession, you’re my obsession
Who do you want me to be to make play center field for me
(x2)
My fantasy has turned to madness
All my goodness has turned to badness
My need to possess you has consumed my soul
My life is trembling, I have no control
I will have you, yes I will have you
I will find a way and I will have you
Like a butterfly, a wild butterfly
I will collect you and capture you
You are an obsession, you’re my obsession
Who do you want me to be to make you play center field for me
(x2 an fade)
TennesseePaul
December 18th, 2012
1:46 pm
maybe Wren should have signed a 33 year old Victorino for 2 million less and … TP would have been really happy then.
You must not reallly follow this blog if you think Victorino would have made me happy. I thought I was pretty clear that I was down on the whole “affordable” selection of the free agent market. Like Ef stated, it stinks that this happens to be the year with all the resources in hand for Wren and the FA class stinks and the trade pool is sky high.
I wasn’t bummed about the Uggla contract when he signed. I just find the cost of mediocre players a bit unbelievable. BJ Upton is a $15M player… That’s just crazy. Since Hamilton was a non-starter, I can see where one could reasonable argue Upton was the best available guy for the Braves. That doesn’t mean I have to think he is a $15M player.
Brava
December 18th, 2012
1:48 pm
Enrique Rojas/ESPN Enrique Rojas/ESPN @Enrique_Rojas1
Source: Jose Veras and #Astros agree one year $1,85 million contract. 2014 option of $3,25 M. $150K compensation. $2 million guaranteed.