2:37 pm December 10, 2012, by David O'Brien
December 10th, 20129:51 pm
And, technically, they don’t have any defensive ends, since they run a 3-4.
December 10th, 201210:00 pm
I know he was a nice guy and has integrity but not a good enough player for the hall of fame
December 10th, 201210:01 pm
I can remember when teams ran 7-2-2s
PEDS are on a different level.
I wish they would post it in the locker rooms like the gambling sign. Otherwise, just let Pete in too
December 10th, 201210:02 pm
You only need to click “submit” once
December 10th, 201210:03 pm
that just means you’re old
The Phillies have made a couple of significant trades in the past week, acquiring Ben Revere from the Twins in exchange for Vance Worley and Trevor May, and also landing Michael Young and cash from the Rangers for Josh Lindblom and Lisalverto Bonilla. Here’s the latest on the Phils…
•During a press conference today, Young told the media that the Rangers were only going to give him 300 at-bats this season (Jeff Wilson of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reporting on Twitter).
•Phillies manager Charlie Manuel is happy with the additions of Young and Revere but would like general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. to make one more big splash, writes Matt Gelb of the Philadelphia Inquirer.
•In a separate piece, Gelb writes that the Phillies figure to sign one of Cody Ross, Nick Swisher and Josh Hamilton to fill a corner vacancy. They’ve long coveted Ross, but aren’t as big on Swisher, perhaps due to his price tag. Gelb notes that the Phillies could offer Hamilton a shorter-term deal with a high annual value if his demands decrease.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#o8Z5GcLlQH00Vkq2.99
December 10th, 201210:06 pm
no they are not on a different level as far as cheating, you can’t actually believe that the guys cheating on speed would have not used PEDs if they were available can you? The only difference is that PEDs are more efficient, cheaters will cheat and they will use the best means available.
December 10th, 201210:07 pm
there is a reason that they were only gonna give Young 300 at bats I bet
December 10th, 201210:08 pm
Seriously – this is the cutest video I have ever seen. Totally un-baseball related, but really cute.
The Head Moron Bud Selig said “the criteria for non-playing personnel is the impact they made on the sport”. Well, then why isn’t that the same for guys who actually played the game? I guarantee you Murph had a bigger impact on baseball than half of the people enshrined in Cooperstown.
December 10th, 201210:14 pm
I don’t assume to know what anyone would or wouldn’t do given a situation. I do believe though for many reasons that players caught using illegal performance enhancing drugs are cheaters and I wish the penalty were a lifetime ban from the sport. Too many kids get released and sent home because they don’t throw hard enough or can’t hit with enough power while cheaters keep playing.
Yeah spped was / is bad but it doesn’t cause youto thow harde or hit it farther.
that is cute I see a project for my dog in the future…
December 10th, 201210:19 pm
you don’t think that speed enhances your strength? That is totally not true. It gives you energy that you would not have had and for awhile does indeed make you perform better. Obviously not as much as PEDS do, but that is the only real difference, Bonds and the players that you want to ban came along when there were better alternatives than speed, while Aaron etc were stuck with the old stuff.
all this moral indignation is crap if it is based on how well the cheating worked.
December 10th, 201210:28 pm
I see them very differently but I’ll give you both are wrong.
But here is a novel idea. Regardless of who cheated and when, why don’t we make it right now and clean it up rather than saying well they got away with those way back so the modern players are just using what they have now so we can’t blame them. Most parents used to tell their kidsthe old “just because someone else jumps in a fire are you goiing to?” line when kids tried the “well Billy Bob smoked a cig so I thought I would too…”
We have better technology now so lets make it right now and quit justifying cheating just because we think someone else did.
Lastly, speed doesn’t make your hat and shoe size increase like Bonds did.
December 10th, 201210:29 pm
ok, I’ll bite. Nolie, which one of the players who has been shunned from HOF enshrinement for PED use do you have a Jones for?
December 10th, 201210:30 pm
if Murph does not make the Hall of Fame now it still does NOT in any way diminish what he did as a Brave and the greatness he displayed on the field during his peak years. He will forever be a favorite Brave but he did not transcend the sport like Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, and evidently Chipper did (especially judge by the receptions he got this last year).
December 10th, 201210:31 pm
Keep him/her off the 405 or the 110 – LOL
December 10th, 201210:32 pm
i would like to see Murphy, Fred McGriff, Lee Smith, and Jack Morris get in this year…these guys were pretty good players
December 10th, 201210:33 pm
It’s not like a) she could go that fast on those freeways or b) she’d be the worst driver out there
December 10th, 201210:35 pm
Thanks for the well-reasoned argument on The Murph’s behalf. I think his omission from the Hall of Fame, especially in light of the upcoming candidacies of suspected PED users, is a shame. I’m not sure if he’ll ever be inducted (hopefully the Veterans’ Committee will right this wrong), but he’ll always be my favorite player and deserves enshrinement at Cooperstown.
Murph was a GREAT player before his knee went south on him. The bat-speed (Nolie) went with it as he could no longer drive with his legs effectively, that’s kinda-sorta a thing the rest of us call common sense…
December 10th, 201210:36 pm
One more thing –
That Dale Murphy doesn’t have a statue outside of Turner Field is sad. He was the face of the franchise and the only reason for watching the team throughout the 1980s.
December 10th, 201210:38 pm
Considering the way some people drive, she might be able to hold her own – LOL
December 10th, 201210:39 pm
Lots of good conversation about the merits of Murph getting into the Hall. But alas, it is not going to happen.
But doesn’t lessen the impact he had on the game and on people he associated with during his playing days and since.
He’s Hall of Fame in my book!
Down in your neck of the woods tonight. Getting some thunder right about now. Cool!
December 10th, 201211:04 pm
So it seems like a lot of the trade talk and ideas have fizzled out. I think we are coming to the realization that the Braves won’t probably be adding that “premium LF.” I know there is still plenty of time but from what we have heard the asking price for players these days is reduce loud and Wren won’t do it. So I’m not a big fan of platoons, in fact I hate them. Constanza is not an everyday player, Gattis is probably not ready, at least defensively for sure. Wren said he was looking for a lead off hitter so I was thinking someone we already have…Jordan Schafer. I know this will not be a popular answer, especially TennPaul, but the guy is still fairly young and may surprise some people if healthy. Just throwing it out there…fire away…
December 10th, 201211:07 pm
I may be late in the game commenting here, but I wanted to share something. We, the Murphy family, have created a petition to help our dad Dale into the Hall of Fame. If you agree with this incredible article by David O’Brien, then click here and sign the petition. Thanks!
December 10th, 201211:09 pm
I’ll start it off. Schafer sucks. Good prospect coming up. Got busted for PEDs. We tried him half a year and he couldn’t get it done. Then he couldn’t even stay in the lineup for Houston. He was benched in Houston! Can’t play at MB level. Not enough contact for a speed guy! Rather play Georgie than Shafer. Shafer never led the minors in Average.
December 10th, 201211:13 pm
Powder Blue: Thank you, and I agree on Dale deserving a statue at Turner Field.
December 10th, 201211:15 pm
Not expecting the Braves to make any moves before Christmas, possibly not until after the new year. If their plan is to go w/ Francisco then we’ll know if they add a bench bat. Because if they are to add a starter then the bench is full w/ Laird, Janish, Francisco, Meija and Johnson. Of course Meija being the question mark.
December 10th, 201211:17 pm
Constanza is a slap hitter who barely gets the ball past the pitcher if he’s lucky at the ML level. The guy looks clueless in a lot of his AB’s. So far, yes Schafer has sucked but he was hurt during his Braves career and the Braves must see believe in him a little to bring him back. They must feel he may have some type of skill besides smoking weed an eating Reese’s. Some players figure it out later in their careers…he’s still only 26.
December 10th, 201211:18 pm
I’d like to say give Murph a statue but its icy waters.
Is Glavine, Maddux, Smoltz,Chipper gonna have them? These 4 are HOFers.
Have to tread lightly when starting statues and naming things after players!
December 10th, 201211:27 pm
Is Glavine, Maddux, Smoltz,Chipper gonna have them?
December 10th, 201211:33 pm
No games south of the border today.
December 10th, 201211:35 pm
Not to mention SPAHN, AARON
December 10th, 201211:37 pm
Dale Murphy meant a lot to Atlanta. I could care less if he makes Hall of Fame or not (he deserves it though) he’s an Atlanta legend.
December 10th, 201211:45 pm
Murphy’s stats don’t stack up today, but the Hall of Fame is supposed to be about ERA’s. He was a beast in the 80’s and that should mean something. Plus, he embodies everything that’s supposed to be voted on here, not just the stats.
Petrino hired at Western Kentucky. Gott give him credit for winning games and he’ll win at Western too. Better keep a close eye on the Volleyball Girls though!
And HUGH DUFFY, TOMMY McCARTHY, KID NICHOLS, RABBIT MARANVILLE, BILLY HAMILTON, JOHN CLARKSON, EDDIE MATHEWS, VIC WILLIS, PHIL NIEKRO, and FRANK SELEE mgr
December 10th, 201211:48 pm
Fred McGriff, Bobby Cox, Rico Carty, Francisco Cabrerra
December 11th, 201212:02 am
I do hope Murph gets into the Hall at some point and I would vote for him if I had the vote.
Whether he transcends baseball or not is for the Hall voters to decide, but I think it is very obvious that he is a Braves icon who deserves statue. He was the face of the Atlanta Braves in the 1980s. We all could not have been prouder to have a better person as the face of the Braves that decade either.
How about a poll on does Dale Murphy deserve a statue at Fulton County Stadium? I would love to see the overwhelming numbers support Dale
my thoughts exactly Kyle
As pretty much the only reason to watch the team during the 1980s, I think Murphy deserves a statue. I believe Aaron, Spahn, Mathews, and Niekro already have statues. And, yes, I feel that C. Jones, Glavine, Smoltz, Maddux and Cox are deserving as well.
December 11th, 201212:03 am
December 11th, 201212:05 am
I remember every year during little league when uniforms arrived, every kid fought to get that #3 jersey. I’m sure that’s the way it was throughout the Southeast during the 1980s.
December 11th, 201212:08 am
I have one more thought on Dale Murphy and his impact on baseball and a generation of baseball players. When I began playing little league in 1989 the conversation of who is your favorite player often came up. The answers were overwhelmingly 2 players: Dale Murphy and sadly Jose Canseco. As I got older and moved to high school baseball from 1995 to 1999 the answer to who is your favorite player was overwhelmingly Chipper Jones. I was then fortunate enough to have the opportunity to play college baseball at a div II school. We had too much ego at that time to discuss our current favorite player (truth is we were our current favorite players), but we did discuss our favorite player growing up. There were guys on this team from TN, NY, Ohio, FL, SC, GA, IN, and Va that I can remember. The guy that everybody talked about loving as a kid was Dale Murphy. Nobody mentioned Andre Dawson, Mike Schmidt, Ricky Henderson, Eddie Murray, or Ozzie Smith. These guys are all HOF worthy, but the arguement could be made that due to TBS none of these players had the impact on youth baseball players in the 80″S that Murphy had. Aside from being an outstanding player, Murphy was one the greatest ambassadors baseball has ever had. He was a guy kids looked up to, and parents encouraged their kids to be like. That’s a rarity in sports and in my opinion the Hall of Fame would be a classier place with Dale Murphy in it.
December 11th, 201212:10 am
Again, Murph was a great Brave and is still a better man. I don’t have a problem at all with him having a statue. The only picture of a ball player in my sons room is a signed picture of Murph in one of those ugly Carolina Blue uniforms.
Better have a lot of room for statues though
December 11th, 201212:11 am
I almost put that in my post. You had to fight for that #3 jersey. Mostly for Murphy, but I want lie I had a few guys in my neighborhood that wanted it because of Dale Earnhardt. Their baseball days didn’t last too long past little league.
December 11th, 201212:13 am
If the White Sox can make room for a Harold Baines statue, I think the Braves can find room at The Ted for a Dale Murphy statue.
December 11th, 201212:17 am
I grew up a Braves fan and admittedly am not nearly as familiar with the average American eague player so I can’t name a Sox player worthy of a statue except Shoeless Joe.
I’m sure there are some though.
December 11th, 201212:19 am
I hadn’t thought about the Earnhardt factor. I guess that may have played a part for some of the kids around me as well. I didn’t discover NASCAR until well after I began following baseball, so for me it was all about The Murph.
December 11th, 201212:22 am
I used Baines as an example because I took in game at U.S. Cellular Field in September. I made note of the statues there: Carlton Fisk, Frank Thomas, Minnie Minoso, Charles Comiskey, Luis Aparicio, Nellie Fox, Billy Pierce, and Harold Baines.I saw no reference to Shoeless Joe.
December 11th, 201212:26 am
Heard my Grandfather speak about Minoso, Aparicio and Fox. I remember Thomas but I wasn’t a fan. Cominski I can see. Fisk surprises me just because I think of him as a Red Sox and the sickness he caused me when he hit the Fair pole in 75 against my Big Red Machine. Do you happen to know what team he chose when he went into the HOF.
December 11th, 201212:28 am
I believe he chose the Red Sox for his induction ceremony.
December 11th, 201212:31 am
He may have a twin statue in Boston
Been fun. Gotta work tomorrw so I’m out.
Frank Thomas is one of the great hitters of all time, IMO. I loved watching him hit.
Schafer or Georgie for LF?… nah. Rather send juan or Rev out there
December 11th, 201212:32 am
Agreed on Thomas. Guy could rake.
I’m done for the evening as well. Good night, all.
December 11th, 201212:33 am
I had contacts that new him prtty well so my opinion got skewed. He could hit though
December 11th, 201212:36 am
I’d like to see Klaw have a tete-a-tete with Murph’s son.
December 11th, 201212:42 am
TOBF – the same Rev that got cut from his winter league team and has no arm??
December 11th, 201212:47 am
If it takes that many words, is he really HOF material?
December 11th, 201212:59 am
George-George: In the 1950’s there were 16 Major League teams, now there are 30. So there were a lot more HOF’s on every team back then, especially the Dodgers and Yankees. Those 2 teams were always loaded. Gil Hodges should be in the Hall as a Dodger, IMHO.
December 11th, 20121:02 am
TOBF: Did you watch Clubhouse Confidential today and see where Derek Lowe was listed ahead of your boy Greinke? I bet that made you toss your Fruit Loops. D) It was an eye opener.
December 11th, 20121:06 am
nowhere man: I caught the Led Zep / Letterman interview on You Tube. Gosh, Robert Plant looks and acts old! He looked a lot better when he was touring with Alison Krauss just a year or two ago.
December 11th, 20121:18 am
Great article, DOB. Based on the numbers, I go back and forth on Murph. You present a good case. I would also add that if Bill Mazeroski is in, then Dale Murphy should be as well.
December 11th, 20122:18 am
Hello everyone! Sorry I wasn’t on earlier. I’m just not going to get all warked up. I hope Wren, does get Bonofacio….. He has speed, and can play 3rd base, and LF. It would be a great platoon with Reed Johnson, and hten keep Prado at 3rd, and use Francisco for back up. Bonofacio would be a great fit for Super Utility, and cheap.
December 11th, 20122:22 am
I think Prado will be the 3rd baseman, and Bonofacia will be the LF along with Reed Johnson. Francisco will be on the bench, or vise versa……. Either way Bonofacio would give the Braves a Super Utility Man at a good cost, and still a young player too.
December 11th, 20122:25 am
Alsol, ale Murphy should be in te HOF, and case closed…… People who use steroids should never be in the HOF period. Once your caught to bad, the numbers are thrwon out the window. Baseball should be complishments, and hard work for those who care about the game. Steroids, should never be accepted period…….
December 11th, 20122:36 am
meant to say Also Dale Murphy…..
December 11th, 20122:40 am
My view is players that use steroids should never ever, ever….. be in the HOF! Their numbers should be wiped off the book, and Banished, Bonds, Big Macs, Rafeal Palmaro, and Roger Clemens. They should be banished, and not accounted for.
December 11th, 20122:59 am
My view is they cheated, and their numbers should not count….. All, have a good one! It’s always good talking on the blog, and like I always say…..Peace my friends, and “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!”
December 11th, 20123:05 am
Whether or not Mr. “MVP” Murphy is voted into the HOF, he will alway be in my mind the template for the caliber of professional baseball player deserving of such honors.This year the Atlanta Braves could really use a Dale Murphy prototype in their team ’s line-up. I seriously doubt when the Braves played St. Louis in the playoffs, the Dale Murphy I remember would have been clutch. He would not have left his teammates stranded on base in scoring position nor would he have dropped the ball while making routine defensive plays.
Fudge brownies and merry christmas to all
December 11th, 20124:12 am
Well usually i make comments on stuff ..However yes dale Murphy should be in Hall of fame as ernie Johnson Sr also be in also….what do dave O’ Brien feel too…and also Merry christmas to you and the family too!
December 11th, 20125:15 am
The attributes of integrity and character on the ballot are for exclusion, not inclusion.
The Blogger Formerly Known as Billy
December 11th, 20125:46 am
the off-season blog is so much better than in-season ones.
December 11th, 20126:08 am
My guess is that at least 80% of all the players in the HOF don’t have as many fans as Dale Murphy. Whether or not the writers vote him in, they will never be able to deny him of his popularity. He will always be a legend for the Braves Nation and all of baseball. Lets hope they get it right this time.
Yea… I mean, if we’re gonna go with some crappy option, why not go with the guy who has the most promise? He’s only 22 (23 on Thurs) and still has some potential… Schafer and Georgie, we already know their AAAA scrubs. Plus having a good arm isn’t all that necessary for LF.
TOBF: Did you watch Clubhouse Confidential today and see where Derek Lowe was listed ahead of your boy Greinke? I bet that made you toss your Fruit Loops. D) It was an eye opener.
Haha. No, I didn’t see it… Will say this though… I’d rather spend 20+mil on Greinke at age 28, when he’s likely to improve, then spend 15mil on a 36year old DLowe.
December 11th, 20126:10 am
The BBWAA has no problem awarding Barry Bonds 7 MVP titles (while being suspected of taking PEDs) but will not vote him in as a first ballot HOF which he should be. I bet they love they can have it both ways.
December 11th, 20126:32 am
“Even though we now know batting average is a bad measure, I still won’t vote for him because of his batting average?”
The guy who said that should have his vote taken away. What a moron. If it’s acknowledged to not be a good measure, then only a moron would continue to consider it. Dale Murphy had all the intangibles, and the numbers to back it up.
December 11th, 20127:15 am
The current state of our Braves is in complete disarray and we’re talking about whether or not #3 belongs in the HOF?
December 11th, 20127:26 am
Having sports writers vote on the Hall of Fame is like having Jack the Ripper perform an heart operation… Never played, never coached, never worked on any level to make one think they have a clue
December 11th, 20127:31 am
The 7:26 –
December 11th, 20127:43 am
I don’t think Murphy will be elected to the HOF because many of his assets don’t fit the mold that seems to determine eligibility. I do think he will become a member then he can be considered by the Veterans Committee
December 11th, 20127:47 am
I point to this as the prime example of hypocrisy of sport’s writers in our times. You keep Pete Rose out mainly because he was a jerk to most of you in his time, yet you leave Dale out because he was too nice. Someone needs to vote on the people who vote and create the “reality” and then claim separation. Dale Murphy is a name in this town years after his playing days are over. There are maybe two or three names as big as his and none with more integrity. For once get off the free booze, free food, free tickets, free transportation and lifestyle of writing about sports and do the right thing not what your ego dictates. The fact that Murphy is different from you is a good thing recognize it as such.
December 11th, 20127:56 am
Here’s the HOF solution. Have a special “PEDS” section. You could vote NO for the regular section, but YES to the PEDS section. The criteria for the “PEDS” section would be, “more likely than not, this player would have qualified for Hall induction even without resorting to PEDS.”
They would be enshrined in a separate room.
December 11th, 20128:09 am
I guess I am OK with not overpaying for a premium player in LF.
I am even OK with trading for Bonafacio if the cost is not stupid high. If we could trade Spruill and an lower level guy or something equivalent, I could live with that.
And even if Bonafacio is not the full time starter, if the Braves would then trade for Greg Dobbs from Miami, they would have lots of options for LF and a couple of options for 3B.
Maybe try Mix and Match for LF in 2013?
December 11th, 20128:15 am
I love this kind of stuff. Banging writers because they “never”, from guys who probably “never”, LOL. And in addition, never covered a team and never wrote a story or column. Seriously, that people don’t see the incongruity of this kind of thing is wildly humorous.
December 11th, 20128:24 am
Speaking of former Braves that will likely not make the HOF:
Tokyo — The Rakuten Eagles of Japan’s Pacific League say they are set to sign veteran major league outfielder Andruw Jones.
Aw, come on Wren! Bring in Andruw for a spring training invite!!
December 11th, 20128:31 am
I thought there would be more action after Greinke signed. Not with the Braves necessarily, but in general.
Ncscoots and I love these guys who live off the fan who paid for his ticket and bought his hot dog which is something most of these bangedup writers have never had to do. Stick around and watch, baseball is played for the fans and they will get less and less. And then Ncscoot you can have your sport back you think we have intruded into, and there won’t be much f in the hof. Enjoy..
December 11th, 20128:36 am
@DOB. My argument for Murph is the comparison between him and Ryne Sandberg. Compare Sanberg’s stats for the 10-11 years he played with the first 10-11 years Murph played. Sandberg walked away from the game, gets in the HOF. Murphy, had he done the same, probably is in also. Playing those extra 6-7 years(and a lot of time hurt)is the penalty. So much for the integrity of the voters themselves.
December 11th, 20128:37 am
Bonifacio isnt really worth trading for… Spruill may be too much. How about Northcraft? Ha. No need to bring him to form a LF platoon… Rev and Juan can handle the LF duties.
December 11th, 20128:44 am
Well I can see stupidity got up nice and early.
December 11th, 20128:46 am
Let’s try not to reinforce the phrase “Nice guys finish last” Murphy is Hall of Famer material if there ever was.
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