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Efrim
December 13th, 2012
2:32 pm
And the Mets would be stupid to trade Dickey for either Trumbo or Bourjos.
ccrider
December 13th, 2012
2:32 pm
Bourjos for Delgado: Hell NO!
Puma
December 13th, 2012
2:33 pm
I don’t think Bourjos would be center piece in a trade for Dickey, I am sure Mets would want something a little more primo than that.
Real Talk
December 13th, 2012
2:34 pm
ccrider well your crazy!!
A.P.
December 13th, 2012
2:34 pm
If you have to ask yourself, does this guy make Bonafacio look good? and if the answer is ever yes, we should not even discuss him as a posibility.
We went from J Upton, Gordon, and Myers to Choo, Fowler and Span to Willingham, Revere and Bonafacio and now we have sunk to Bourjos. I don’t even know where we go from here, but it scares me to think of who will be suggested as “good fits” in a week or so.
BravePack(FreeFan)
December 13th, 2012
2:35 pm
Meanwhile in even bigger news Braves sign some Pena scrub for a bench role. I can’t wait to get home and trade for Pena on The Show.
tony austin
December 13th, 2012
2:35 pm
I would say look for Bourn to land in TX now. And I’m sure they’ll pay him handsomely.
Efrim
December 13th, 2012
2:36 pm
However, I will say that the Angels match up better with them for Dickey than other teams given the presence of catching prospect Hank Conger.
Real Talk
December 13th, 2012
2:36 pm
a.p learn the game its all about fits and is exactly what we need
A.P.
December 13th, 2012
2:38 pm
We need a guy with a .301 OBP and a career .247 hitter. If thats what we need Constanza will be our starting LF. Good call Real Talk
A.P.
December 13th, 2012
2:38 pm
We need a guy with a .301 OBP and a career .247 hitter. If thats what we need Constanza will be our starting LF. Good call Real Talk
Venice Jim
December 13th, 2012
2:38 pm
Mike Trout @Trouty20
Wow
Retweeted by Tyler Kepner
JC Brave
December 13th, 2012
2:38 pm
I don’t even know where we go from here, but it scares me to think of who will be suggested as “good fits” in a week or so.
I’m thinking Jeff Francoeur.
Ray
December 13th, 2012
2:40 pm
For Hamilton, it could be a very good fit from a personal standpoint. Pujols could be the clubhouse guy to keep J Ham from his demons.
Mako
December 13th, 2012
2:40 pm
“One big deal is we wouldn’t see Constanza, Schafer, or Bonifacio out there.”
Ha, that’s funny considering the way you described him, he sounds just like those three. Or at least, what people would hope to get from them
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 13th, 2012
2:40 pm
We’ve supposedly got a leadoff hitter (Simmons), we added our big slugging CF (Upton), and we just need a piece that is better and has more potential than Schafer/Constanza… that is Bourjos. Could end up being a leadoff guy soon, but for now, makes our outfield D great, adds another RH bat w/ speed and 10-15 HR power. Cheap. No reason to not like him.
Real Talk
December 13th, 2012
2:40 pm
a.p. Ill go with my experience and I say yes, but if you cant see that he is better than constanza then I know I am talking to a fan who never played
ROLLTIDEBRAVE
December 13th, 2012
2:40 pm
HMMM, could it be that FW is on the verge of pulling off a trade to get our leadoff/LF? I believe he’ll do something before Christmas. Go Braves!
ccrider
December 13th, 2012
2:40 pm
Yea, REAL TALK. Let’s trade a potential #2 or#3 pitcher for a no power, low extra base hit, low OBP very good defensive outfielder.
TennesseePaul
December 13th, 2012
2:41 pm
Man that is going to be one murderous line up. Pujols, Trout, Hamilton. Just brutal. That’s a no mercy line up right there.
I hear they may move Bourjos or Trumbo… gotta think Vernon Wells will be addressed first.
JasonInFL
December 13th, 2012
2:41 pm
Maybe we can trade for Kemp.
Patrick
December 13th, 2012
2:43 pm
5 years $125 million per season.
The 2 LA teams could own a couple of countries if they wanted to!
A.P.
December 13th, 2012
2:43 pm
Exactly Mako. Are we missing something. This guy is a 247. hitter with a .301 OBP and he’s a perfect fit according to Real Talk.
JasonInFL
December 13th, 2012
2:43 pm
To hell with leadoff. Just get us the best player possible for LF!
Enquiring Minds Want To Know
December 13th, 2012
2:45 pm
Let’s see, someone wants to trade ML ready pitching for Peter Bourjos, sporting a .247/.301/.402/.703 line, and who’s best attribute is his ability to play CF, to play LF for the Braves. OK.
Meanwhile, we have El Oso Blanco (cumulative line for 3 minor league seasons .308/.374/.546/.920) ready and waiting to burst on the scene. Come on, people, it’s destiny! Get with the program!
No Mercy! No Mercy! No Mercy!
old man
December 13th, 2012
2:45 pm
Bourjos is a stud. Injuries last year. He has been viewed as having fast track upside. 4 years of team control. First arb year now, but with his injury season last year, he will be cheap.
I’ve always liked him. He is faster than his number of SBs indicate.
Trumbo looks good too.
TennesseePaul
December 13th, 2012
2:45 pm
we just need a piece that is better and has more potential than Schafer/Constanza… that is Bourjos
Why should this team settle for more potential than “Schafer/Constanza”? That’s about as low as the bar could be set. It’s about the only way Bourjos would be a “good” addition, he’s a step above the absolute worst solution.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 13th, 2012
2:45 pm
125mil for 5 years for Hamilton
Efrim
December 13th, 2012
2:45 pm
Angels payroll without Hamilton:
Vernon Wells – $21M
Jered Weaver – $16.2M
Albert Pujols – $16M
C.J. Wilson – $11.5M
Howie Kendrick – $9.1M
Erick Aybar – $8.75M
Joe Blanton – $7M
Chris Ianetta – $5.05M
Scott Downs – $5M
Sean Burnett – $4M
Ryan Madson – $3.5M
Arbitration eligible players for the Angels:
Kendrys Morales – $4.8M
Alberto Callaspo – $4.2M
Tommy Hanson – $4M
Jerome Williams – $1.9M
Kevin Jepsen – $1.1M
16 players – $123.1 million
Real Talk
December 13th, 2012
2:45 pm
ccrider LOL you see Delgado as a #2 or #3..wow…Im speechless….yeah….just speechless…..mmmm…..ok??
A.P.
December 13th, 2012
2:46 pm
Real Talk are you serious? Please give me and reason this guy is a good fit? 3 years in the league and once again .247 BA, .301 OBP. I think your highly touted “experience” is failing you.
Efrim
December 13th, 2012
2:47 pm
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Angels’ lineup: CF Trout 3B Callaspo 1B Pujols RF Hamilton LF Trumbo 2B Kendrick DH Morales C Iannetta SS Aybar. Lightning; thunder; balance
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 13th, 2012
2:47 pm
thank you old man!
TennesseePaul
December 13th, 2012
2:47 pm
Vernon Wells is essentially a $21M a year bench player. Two more years of that contract left.
Efrim
December 13th, 2012
2:50 pm
Would be something if the Angels blew the Mets away with an offer for Dickey….
JC Brave
December 13th, 2012
2:50 pm
To hell with leadoff. Just get us the best player possible for LF!
I’ve been praying for Wren to forget about the leadoff hitter BS since the begining…
Real Talk
December 13th, 2012
2:51 pm
ok a.p. this is what I see….a guy wh has speed and could hit in the 2nd position behind Prado against Lefties…he is also very good defensively which is always a good thing…then when righties pitch we can play Juan at 3rd and I think he can be very good there for us….he also will come cheap…probably Delgado who I think in our long range plans is very low on the priority….so its the best fit for cost!!
Patrick
December 13th, 2012
2:51 pm
I bet Ranger fans are flipping out
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 13th, 2012
2:51 pm
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN
Other teams asked about Mark Trumbo, and been told that he’s not available; the Angels have said they are keeping him.
JasonInFL
December 13th, 2012
2:51 pm
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
Dempster and #RedSox are in agreement, pending physical.
A.P.
December 13th, 2012
2:51 pm
If Real Talk was the GM we would have a depleted farm but we would be stacked with perfect fits that hit .247 with decent speed and little power
Efrim
December 13th, 2012
2:51 pm
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Other teams asked about Mark Trumbo, and been told that he’s not available; the Angels have said they are keeping him.
Given that Wells is pretty useless, couldn’t they just keep everyone and have a really deep team?
Efrim
December 13th, 2012
2:52 pm
Of course I keep forgetting that their 3-5 in the rotation are Joe Blanton, Tommy Hanson and Garrett Richards/Jerome Williams.
That would not be wise.
Slowhiteguy
December 13th, 2012
2:53 pm
Un, Mr Towers…Mr. Daniels line one….
A.P.
December 13th, 2012
2:53 pm
I get that he might have upside and is a good defender, but there is no way he is worth Delgado. Not even close man.
Murph
December 13th, 2012
2:53 pm
I’d take Wells… if the Angels would throw in $35mil and accept the proverbial bag of baseballs in return.
JasonInFL
December 13th, 2012
2:53 pm
Still don’t get having Pena and Janish on the same team…
Rick C
December 13th, 2012
2:53 pm
I would much rather keep Prado in left and play Francisco at 3B, not even necessarily in any platoon, than waste good prospects to get Bourjos. At best he’s a minor improvement over our internal options.
TennesseePaul
December 13th, 2012
2:53 pm
Given that Wells is pretty useless, couldn’t they just keep everyone and have a really deep team?
I have a hunch they will do what they can to move Wells, or release him, and keep everyone else.
Lew
December 13th, 2012
2:53 pm
Real Talk – I still haven’t gotten a requestr for you to join on the page yet. I haven’t (and I doubt DAP has either) rejected anyone. I even tried adding the name you gave me in the email and nothing came up.
Patrick
December 13th, 2012
2:54 pm
Vernon Wells is essentially a $21M a year bench player. Two more years of that contract left.
That is insanity.
Ahh…we’re so rich we’ll pay a guy 10.5 million dollars to sit on the bench.
Sickening
A.P.
December 13th, 2012
2:54 pm
Blog’s Opinion: How many people would give up Delgado for Bourjos straight up?
Rick C
December 13th, 2012
2:54 pm
Delgado for Bourjos? That’s just crazy man.
JasonInFL
December 13th, 2012
2:54 pm
I would take Soriano with the Cubs paying all but 10 million that is left on his contract. He is worth 5 mill a year.
Patrick
December 13th, 2012
2:56 pm
Of course I keep forgetting that their 3-5 in the rotation are Joe Blanton, Tommy Hanson and Garrett Richards/Jerome Williams.
That would not be wise.
Good call…..you have to wonder if they are going to make a play for Dickey???
Real Talk
December 13th, 2012
2:56 pm
a.p. delgado has mechanic issues and will have problems his career which will be short if he doesnt correct them…Braves fans Delgado will not be in our future plans so he must be traded while he has value
JasonInFL
December 13th, 2012
2:56 pm
Delgado for Bourjos? No.
A.P.
December 13th, 2012
2:56 pm
I agree Jason. 30 bombs and 100 Rbi’s last year for 5 mil and i’d assume a prospect below Delgado/Teheran/Gilmartin/Graham
Efrim
December 13th, 2012
2:56 pm
Doesn’t anyone think it’s hilarious that the Red Sox keep offering these high AAV short(ish) term deals?
Dempster for two years, $26.5 million
I still think Henry and Lucchino are running the show, but maybe Cherington made a compromise with them to sign veterans and spend money but that he wouldn’t give out any long term contracts? I have a very hard time thinking Cherington is fully calling the shots there.
TennesseePaul
December 13th, 2012
2:56 pm
Ahh…we’re so rich we’ll pay a guy 10.5 million dollars to sit on the bench
He’s owed $42M over the next 2 years…. $21M a year.
He’s also responsible for the firing of the Angels previous GM. Such a terrible move…. lost out on Beltre, traded for Wells.
TennesseePaul
December 13th, 2012
2:59 pm
Doesn’t anyone think it’s hilarious that the Red Sox keep offering these high AAV short(ish) term deals?
No more hilarious than when Ned Colletti did the same in LA.
P'cola Brave
December 13th, 2012
2:59 pm
Sounds like Bourjos may be on his way out the door. I could see the Braves jumping in on that one.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 13th, 2012
3:00 pm
Delgado for Bourjos? Hell no… not premium… solid, but not premium. Maholm since they need a big league starter… maybe Gilmartin.
delgado has mechanic issues and will have problems his career which will be short if he doesnt correct them
Can’t agree with that… http://projectprospect.com/article/2010/05/20/randall-delgado-scouting-report
Delgado did hook his arm a little behind his back as he pushed off toward the plate. While he has a smooth, clean arm circle, he doesn’t offer much deception.
The human body isn’t designed to throw a baseball, and any professional pitcher can become an injury victim. But I see Delgado as a below-average risk for an arm injury.
TennesseePaul
December 13th, 2012
3:00 pm
Such a terrible move…. lost out on Beltre, traded for Wells.
Went from talent, certainly going to improve the team… to trading for a bench player….
It’s akin to gaming for Sin-Soo Choo, losing out on that and turning around to acquire Bourjos. Just a terrible recovery.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 13th, 2012
3:01 pm
Sounds like Bourjos may be on his way out the door. I could see the Braves jumping in on that one.
I wish… he’s a good player, meaning that FW will keep looking at Bonifacio and guys like Constanza/Schafer
JC Brave
December 13th, 2012
3:01 pm
Daniels better not call Towers now. If Towers was a delusional moron before Hamilton signed elsewhere, imagine him now knowing the huge hole the Rangers have to fill…
He would ask for the entire roster of every team affiliated with the Rangers, in exchange for Upton.
Real Talk
December 13th, 2012
3:03 pm
I am not talking arm injury here I am talking movement, but like I said I look at the game in my way in I say he will never be past a journeyman pitcher, but if he pitches for the Braves I hop Im wrong!!
Efrim
December 13th, 2012
3:03 pm
No more hilarious than when Ned Colletti did the same in LA.
I think the thing that soured me about Ned was the Blake trade. 35 year old Casey Blake for Carlos Santana. Yikes.
P'cola Brave
December 13th, 2012
3:03 pm
Bourjos is only 25. Hasn’t really gotten to be the everyday guy except in 2011. Had a good year. Down year this year which isn’t that unusual for young players. Guy has cleaned up minor league pitching. If the price isn’t high I’d check in.
Puma
December 13th, 2012
3:04 pm
Wells – maybe the most overpayed player in baseball
Delgado for Bourjos – no way!
ccrider
December 13th, 2012
3:04 pm
Real Talk, If you see Bourjos as the answer to the Braves lead-off problems at the cost of Delgado, well Uh, i don’t know what to say, Oh Delusional!(and I am sure Frank Wren would find that laughable
Efrim
December 13th, 2012
3:05 pm
NOT BUSTER OLNEY @TRIPPINGOLNEY
RANGERS INTENSIFY PURSUIT OF @JOSECANSECO.
TrippingOlney has to be my favorite joke twitter account. It’s brilliant.
P'cola Brave
December 13th, 2012
3:05 pm
TOBF
I tend to agree with you. I know a lot of people don’t like him but I think Bourjos could become a solid ML player.
Murph
December 13th, 2012
3:06 pm
Schafer and Spruill for Olt! C’mon Frank, do that!
Arkansas Transplant
December 13th, 2012
3:06 pm
I’d be alright with Bourjos as long as Delgado or Teheran wasn’t included. Do not over pay for this guy.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 13th, 2012
3:07 pm
Jayson Stark @jaysonst
Highest-paid position players by AAV: ARod $27.3M Hamilton $25M Howard $25M Pujols $24M. So that’s a $49-million middle of order in Anaheim
How much longer til Hamilton and Pujols become as useless as ARod and Howard…
A.P.
December 13th, 2012
3:07 pm
Real Talk, Your way of looking at the game might not be very well thought out if you think Bourjos is worth Delgado
Real Talk
December 13th, 2012
3:07 pm
ccrider if you read my posts I dot se him as our leadoff and I will tell you I am paycheck for paycheck sure FW will find my advice more useful than yours:}
Real Talk
December 13th, 2012
3:09 pm
delgado is not very good folks, but I guess h impressed or fooled yall…well got to take my team through conditioning drills…have a great evening!!
Puma
December 13th, 2012
3:09 pm
Not saying I would be unhappy with Bourjos, but as Ark. Transplant says, not at the cost of a top prospect.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 13th, 2012
3:10 pm
wanna see a ” Braves are deep in discussion with Angels for Bourjos” tweet from Olney
Murph
December 13th, 2012
3:11 pm
wanna see a ” Braves are deep in discussion with Angels for Bourjos” tweet from Olney
Replace Angels with Rangers and Bourjos with Olt and we’d be in business.
Efrim
December 13th, 2012
3:12 pm
Wow. Just noticed that they signed Ramiro Pena to a major league contract?
Interesting.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 13th, 2012
3:12 pm
exactly AT… not worth those guys (yet)
len
December 13th, 2012
3:12 pm
Braves were americas team on tbs everywhere, Our tv dead should be 200 million…………..damn……………….!!!!!
DAP
December 13th, 2012
3:13 pm
efrim Doesn’t anyone think it’s hilarious that the Red Sox keep offering these high AAV short(ish) term deals
makes sense to me. red sox have to make a push every year. so, they are getting players and being competitive, buying time to get some things in order. perhaps how a huge payroll team rebuilds.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 13th, 2012
3:14 pm
Olt’s fine too, Murph, but we probably don’t have enough to entice the Rangers…
Interesting.
Indeed. Does this mean Juan will be a starter, so they have two middle IF guys?
ccrider
December 13th, 2012
3:16 pm
Real Talk : enjoy Working out your Fantasy Team, I am sure you are a wonderful GM in that world!
Puma
December 13th, 2012
3:19 pm
TOBF – I give it 3 years before both Pujols and Hamilton are seen as “worthless”. Pujols will still be good, just not $25 million good.
I don’t get how some guys are signed to contracts that take them into their 40s, nuts!
A.P.
December 13th, 2012
3:21 pm
Hamilton is an unbelievable talent if he wasn’t such a head case and injury risk.. Big If’s I know, but if right that is a scary lineup
flange1
December 13th, 2012
3:22 pm
OK if the Angels are not trading Trumbo, we know they aren’t trading Trout or Hamilton, so you have 3 guys available (maybe)
Vernon Wells
Peter Bourjos
Kendry Morales
What about Morales for LF?
Puma
December 13th, 2012
3:24 pm
Efrim – I find the Pena signing intriguing as well, more from a why do we need another middle infielder perspective. I guess he’s been hitting pretty well in Mex league, maybe scouts see him as a good bench bat. Just weird given Janish, Dewitt and Pastornicky. I don’t really get it.
Puma
December 13th, 2012
3:24 pm
Efrim – I find the Pena signing intriguing as well, more from a why do we need another middle infielder perspective. I guess he’s been hitting pretty well in Mex league, maybe scouts see him as a good bench bat. Just weird given Janish, Dewitt and Pastornicky. I don’t really get it.
C-Chat
December 13th, 2012
3:25 pm
Braves have ample pitching depth, and have Beachy coming back in July. What we don’t have a whole lotta depth at is OF, and specifically CF. So, yeah, I’d do a Delgado for Bourjos trade. Trading from a strength to fill a weakness. Isn’t that what trades are about?
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 13th, 2012
3:25 pm
Torii Hunter @toriihunter48
I was told money was tight but I guess the Arte had money hidden under a Mattress. Business is business but don’t lie.
manolo
December 13th, 2012
3:26 pm
IF our bench has Janish, Pena and Pagnozzi together, I hope we are leading every single game by the time we make it to the 7th inning so we can only call Hudson to pinch hit.
Rick C
December 13th, 2012
3:30 pm
C-Chat, we have both Constanza and Schafer who can play CF. Now, I don’t want to see either of them in the starting lineup, and I’d agree Bourjos is an improvement, but not a big enough improvement for the prospect(s) he’d cost, especially Delgado.
Efrim
December 13th, 2012
3:30 pm
makes sense to me. red sox have to make a push every year. so, they are getting players and being competitive, buying time to get some things in order. perhaps how a huge payroll team rebuilds.
Dempster makes sense to me, but I did not agree with Napoli and especially not Victorino. They did have money to spend, and certainly weren’t going to turn into the Mets with a $90 million dollar payroll. But I might have gone about it a different way. Victorino was the real one that bothered me.
HooRah
December 13th, 2012
3:30 pm
I’m wondering who REAL TALK really is. Could he be Lentz who has at one time or another claimed to have vast baseball experience but always comes up with very questionable comments too
keyLargo
December 13th, 2012
3:33 pm
The Braves have signed INF Ramiro Pena to a 1-year Major League deal.
Why? Maybe Pastornicky is part of a trade…
Maybe Pastornicky isn’t a MLB player.