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Real Talk
December 13th, 2012
1:18 pm
@ Patrick for us old coggers it would be Ozzie Smith
chipontheroad
December 13th, 2012
1:18 pm
Nickname for left field platoon of Juan and Reed claer it up for ya fiscal?
Fols
December 13th, 2012
1:20 pm
The guys on this team already know that strikeouts are an issue. The guys have decided that on alternating trips through the batting order they will all strikeout together, next time up they will all crush the ball together.
This way you look dumb one inning but man are they gonna rake the next time up!
Cliff Fiscal
December 13th, 2012
1:21 pm
Every player is different. Just because Francouer fizzled as a Brave does not mean that Simmons or the other young players like Heyward and Freeman will fall back. There seems to be great optimism from may baseball people that Simmons is the real deal. As a team whose financial picture compared to other teams will diminish in the coming years, they must take more chances on their younger and affordable potential stars.
brian
December 13th, 2012
1:22 pm
why would Detroit trade for Uggla?
Efrim
December 13th, 2012
1:24 pm
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Source: Angels positioning themselves for a big strike in the market. Hamilton? We’ll see.
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Remember this about Arte Moreno: He reacts to PR; made Pujols signing happen in 48 hours. LAD have been owning that market this winter
Real Talk
December 13th, 2012
1:24 pm
Brian Tey wouldnt!!
Cliff Fiscal
December 13th, 2012
1:24 pm
many not may. Anyway, thanks for clearing that up chipontheroad. I am slold (my nickname for being slow and old).
P'cola Brave
December 13th, 2012
1:24 pm
Trade for Dejesus or Cuddyer and I think this team would be pretty set.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 13th, 2012
1:29 pm
Hamilton? Angels? That’d mean Bourjos is out of a job…
but we can trade for him for LF since BJ won’t move over.
Go Angels!
Cliff Fiscal
December 13th, 2012
1:31 pm
Angels want to steal Hamilton from the Rangers. Rangers are having a tough go this offseason.
brian
December 13th, 2012
1:33 pm
I think I like the Marlins top 10 prospect list better than ours
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 13th, 2012
1:33 pm
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
according to @joeontheradio Angels are in SERIOUS negotiations with Josh Hamilton. also says joe, No deal reached yet.
Go go go
DAP
December 13th, 2012
1:35 pm
patrick I actually think that Upton and Heyward are pretty similar.
well, he hits for better average, gets on base better, and slugs better, but other than that i guess so… :- )
i suppose i could see the comparison in some ways. ill say we will have to wait and see with heyward. we only have 3 season to go by, one where he was injured most of the time, so unless you want to weigh his minor league stats and what they tell us (i do) we’ll have to wait and see.
I don’t know that we’ve seen enough of Simmons yet to compare him to anyone…
we know enough about simmons to say what i said. from his minor league numbers and what he did in MLB last year, we know he puts the ball in play. doesnt walk much, doesnt K much. those types of hitters tend to have a high average that drives their OBP. he might not be a great hitter, but we know he will put the ball in play.
But strikeouts in general, are going to be a real concern with this lineup-I think.
maybe. probably not much worse than last year.
Bawlmer Brave
December 13th, 2012
1:35 pm
Rather than Bourjous for LF maybe we could trade for Trumbo instead.
njbraves
December 13th, 2012
1:38 pm
Must be nice to have an owner who wants to win and will spend some money to try and do so.
Efrim
December 13th, 2012
1:39 pm
Angels in serious negotiations with Josh Hamilton
brian
December 13th, 2012
1:39 pm
seriously – Albert and Josh to go with Trout? Maybe they will have an extra OF to trade afterall
Efrim
December 13th, 2012
1:40 pm
Rather than Bourjous for LF maybe we could trade for Trumbo instead.
With Gattis in Triple-A? No. I know Trumbo hit over 30 HR’s, but he was really bad from June 1st on and I think the league caught up to him a bit, Wouldn’t be worth the cost in prospects, imo.
keyLargo
December 13th, 2012
1:41 pm
I think I like the Marlins top 10 prospect list better than ours
It probably should be with them selling off all their players.
Fols
December 13th, 2012
1:42 pm
Must be nice to have an owner who wants to win and will spend some money to try and do so.
Code word here is TRY…cause they spent a lot of money last year and I didn’t catch them winning anything significant at all.
CB
December 13th, 2012
1:42 pm
Love to have Trumbo.
Bourjos would be ok
Efrim
December 13th, 2012
1:43 pm
LF Hamilton, CF Trout, RF Trumbo
3B Callaspo, SS Aybar, 2B Kendrick, 1B Pujols, C Ianetta, DH Morales
SP Weaver, Wilson, Blanton, Hanson, Williams/Richards
RP Madson, Frieri, Downs, Burnett, Jepsen, Williams, Richards
They are still in need of another starter, badly.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 13th, 2012
1:44 pm
Must be nice to have an owner who wants to win and will spend some money to try and do so.
Yep… but if the Angels get him, that means my man is available. And they need another starter… Maholm, Delgado, Gilmartin… pick one. Bourjos, while a CF by trade, would be great in LF and could possibly be a leadoff hitter for us, allowing us to keep Prado 2. Or he goes 8, Simmons up top, whatever. 10-15 HR power, .400+ slugging, and should be able to hit for a .255 avg. His defense is lessened a bit by playing in the corner, but still pretty good. Speedy, RH bat.
Go Angels, then go get him Frank!
CB
December 13th, 2012
1:44 pm
I love it, Efrim starting to believe in Gattis. lol
Efrim
December 13th, 2012
1:46 pm
Trumbo from June 22nd on – .229/.274/.389, 340 PA’s, 83 games
I don’t know, he has big raw power but so does Gattis, right?
Real Talk
December 13th, 2012
1:50 pm
Can’t believe there is a chance that a leadoff hitting LF’er could fall into the Braves lap:} GO ANGELS!!!
Bawlmer Brave
December 13th, 2012
1:50 pm
Ef, I’d be fine if Gattis’ potential came anywhere close to Trumbo’s ‘12 performance for this year. THAT would great!
Rick C
December 13th, 2012
1:50 pm
TOBF, I do not get your obsession with Bourjos. You want a guy with a 301 OBP to lead off?
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 13th, 2012
1:50 pm
Atlanta Braves @Braves
The Braves have signed INF Ramiro Pena to a 1-year Major League deal. He has appeared in 180 big-league gms over the past 4 yrs with NYY.
Janish and Pena over the Rev… sigh
TennesseePaul
December 13th, 2012
1:51 pm
I don’t know, he has big raw power but so does Gattis, right?
That’s about all he has. Can’t get on base. It’s either a mash or an out. He’s older than Gattis (essentially 1 year/season older), might as well see what Gattis can do.
JasonInFL
December 13th, 2012
1:52 pm
We are set, folks:
Atlanta Braves @Braves
The Braves have signed INF Ramiro Pena to a 1-year Major League deal. He has appeared in 180 big-league gms over the past 4 yrs with NYY.
Just kidding…can never have enough IF depth.
TennesseePaul
December 13th, 2012
1:52 pm
The Braves have signed INF Ramiro Pena to a 1-year Major League deal.
Why?
Maybe Pastornicky is part of a trade…
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 13th, 2012
1:55 pm
posted a .327 in 2011 when he started everyday… I’m sure he can do better… showed better plate discipline in the 2nd half of the season. Had a .346 from June 1 to season’s end… May was really only his bad month, where he posted a .257. Posted a .316 in September, but in the other 4 months he was .333+. He’s got room to grow, and is a young player. He should get better with more playing time; I think he would have had a good 2012 season if he hadn’t gotten hurt and sat for Trout.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 13th, 2012
1:57 pm
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
if #angels to pull off a surprise hamilton signing, theyd be in position to possibly trade bourjos or trumbo. could get SP
Real Talk
December 13th, 2012
1:58 pm
@TOBF Petr Bourjos is a great answer!! Agree!!!
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 13th, 2012
1:58 pm
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
if #angels get hamilton, wonderring if mets could be match on trade of trumbo or bourjos for dickey
Possible as well… Mets like Bourjos. Don’t want that to happen.
O.M.G.
December 13th, 2012
1:58 pm
Anybody have any stats on Pena?
ncscoots
December 13th, 2012
2:00 pm
He’s got room to grow, and is a young player.
For someone on your faves list, sucky stats imply “room to grow”; for a player you don’t like, sucky stats imply “scrubby”.
Cliff Fiscal
December 13th, 2012
2:01 pm
Hamilton (maybe), Pujols, and Trout, oh my!!!
JasonInFL
December 13th, 2012
2:01 pm
Why Janish and Pena to major league deals?
Real Talk
December 13th, 2012
2:03 pm
@TBOF dont think they have the pitchedr that the Angels would want maybe that is why we have been quiet…Maholm may be fixing to get moved after all or Delgado?
Rick C
December 13th, 2012
2:03 pm
TOBF, for all your talk about BABiP, you’re gonna just ignore Bourjos’ 338 BABiP in 2011?
JasonInFL
December 13th, 2012
2:05 pm
Bourjos doesn’t seem to be anything special?
Efrim
December 13th, 2012
2:05 pm
Tim Brown@TBrownYahoo 8m Confirming @joeontheradio report, industry source says Angels are indeed getting close on a deal with Hamilton. Not quite done.
Rick C
December 13th, 2012
2:05 pm
ncscoots, exactly. Take BJ Upton for example. Pretty much better than Bourjos in all areas offensively except SOs, both over his career and last year. TOBF hates Upton, loves Bourjos. Makes no sense at all.
Rick C
December 13th, 2012
2:06 pm
OMG, google.com.
Real Talk
December 13th, 2012
2:07 pm
This mut be the guy because he is the perect piece fous and will be killed on the blog like BJ was, so I am so excited that this may really happen!!! GO ANGELS AND GO FW!!!!
JasonInFL
December 13th, 2012
2:08 pm
I missed the ‘ol blog and most of the regulars.
Cliff Fiscal
December 13th, 2012
2:08 pm
JasoninFL – Bourjos doesn’t seem to be anything special?
Maybe not, but at the right price, he certainly would be better than a platoon involving Constanza.
Efrim
December 13th, 2012
2:08 pm
And with the Hamilton signing, Boras finds another suitor for Michael Bourn. Or maybe the only team other than Seattle.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 13th, 2012
2:10 pm
Bourjos is cheap and plays better defense…
.271/.327/.438/.765/ .338 BABIP
Sure he likely would fall from that a bit, but I’d take him on the team… not looking for a superstar in LF, better than Constanza, Schafer… just give me .255/.330. He improved his eye at the plate in the 2nd half of 2011, .346 OBP. He’s not terrible, and is cheap.
.247/.301/.402/.703 with .301 BABIP is his career line… that should improve, and certainly that OBP will. Better option than Schafer/Constanza for sure, plays better defense, and no need for a platoon. Solid 8 hitter at least.
JasonInFL
December 13th, 2012
2:10 pm
Good point, Cliff Fiscal. But, I still think FW is aiming bigger…he was in on Choo until the end.
Patrick
December 13th, 2012
2:11 pm
Josh Hamilton is about to sign with the Angels!
WOW!
A.P.
December 13th, 2012
2:12 pm
Just out of curiosity how is Bourjos different than Bonafacio? His career BA Is .247, with a .301 OBP. I get he is young and has more upside, but this cant be the big move everyone was hoping for.
JasonInFL
December 13th, 2012
2:12 pm
We almost had Choo…don’t want to settle on minor upgrade in LF at this point…still too early.
CB
December 13th, 2012
2:12 pm
I don’t understand Pena signing either. Seems to be similar to Janish
flange1
December 13th, 2012
2:13 pm
If Hamilton signs with the Angels, they will have these guys to play OF and DH
Mike Trout
Vernon Wells
Josh Hamilton
Mark Trumbo
Kendry Morales
Peter Bourjos
They will need to move at least one of those guys for sure!
Puma
December 13th, 2012
2:13 pm
Just saw pic of Tommy in Angels uniform…that’s a whole lot of ginger going on with Big Red and that red uni.
Murph
December 13th, 2012
2:13 pm
Oh cripes, here we go with another 2 weeks of Bourjos talk.
We already did our one trade this offseason. Can’t exactly ask for Hanson back and then retrade him for Bourjos.
Ship has sailed.
Slowhiteguy
December 13th, 2012
2:14 pm
And Bourn says thank you to Hamilton.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 13th, 2012
2:14 pm
and Bourjos hardly played last year (injury, Trout) so can’t really compare those stats. But when he started every day in 2011, .271/.327/.438/.765 116 OPS+, BJ Upton hasn’t hit a 116 OPS+ since 2009 and in the last 4 years has posted .242/.316/.420/.736 and costs 15mil AAV. Sure he hits HR, but not much else. Using Bourjos’ career line, yes, he is worse on everything but batting avg, but still is a solid starter for 500k.
ncscoots
December 13th, 2012
2:14 pm
just give me .255/.330
That qualifies him, barely, to hit 8 in this lineup. Which means you’re probably willing to trade Teheran for him.
Efrim
December 13th, 2012
2:14 pm
LF Muprhy, CF Gentry.Martin, RF Cruz
3B Beltre, SS Andrus, 2B Kinsler, 1B Moreland/Olt, C Soto, DH Profar
SP Darvish, Harrison, Holland, Ogando, Perez
RP Nathan, Soria, Scheppers, Ross, Kirkland
Good, not great.
Murph
December 13th, 2012
2:16 pm
Anyone else think Hamilton is LA is a bad idea for the guy on a personal level? I s’pose he could get into trouble anywhere, but something about him in the bright lights down there would worry me.
BravePack(FreeFan)
December 13th, 2012
2:16 pm
If this all works out with Hamilton signing with the Halos I’d be down for Bourjos definitely. Wren already made one deal with them this year giving up a pitcher, he can do it again to get Bourjos…probably Delgado for Bourjos would work…maybe even less than Delgado.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 13th, 2012
2:16 pm
not expecting a big move for LF now… the BJ signing was the “big” move. Bourjos wouldn’t be flashy, but he’d be a good upside guy we can get on the cheap.
Real Talk
December 13th, 2012
2:17 pm
@ncscoots its probably Delgado for Burjois
JasonInFL
December 13th, 2012
2:18 pm
Jon Morosi @jonmorosi
Source: #Angels, Josh Hamilton nearing five-year contract. @MLBONFOX
JC Brave
December 13th, 2012
2:18 pm
Braves signed IF Ramiro Peña to a major league, 1 year deal. Another move that adds nothing to the team and no one gives a F about.
Keep bringing them bums, Wren!
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 13th, 2012
2:18 pm
no, Bourjos is not a premium player… solid, not premium. Teheran would be too much.
JasonInFL
December 13th, 2012
2:19 pm
TOBF, why? FW was in on Choo until the end. That would have been a big move, IMO.
ncscoots
December 13th, 2012
2:19 pm
This isn’t facebook, so why do folks insist on putting an @ sign in front of my moniker, LOL?
Efrim
December 13th, 2012
2:20 pm
Trumbo could play 3B, which would mean Alberto Callaspo would be traded.
Rick C
December 13th, 2012
2:21 pm
I just do not see Bourjos as a significant improvement over what we have now, and probably not worth what it would take to get him. You’re just trying to spin the stats in his favor now.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 13th, 2012
2:21 pm
ESPNDallas @ESPNDallas
BREAKING: Josh Hamilton has agreed to join the LA Angels. Story to come: http://es.pn/e3bpkT
Efrim
December 13th, 2012
2:21 pm
Angels were willing to give Hamilton five years.
Murph
December 13th, 2012
2:22 pm
Delgado or Teheran would both be overpays for Bourjos.
A.P.
December 13th, 2012
2:22 pm
You cant even call Bourjos solid yet. He is unproven with one decent season.
tony austin
December 13th, 2012
2:22 pm
153 Ks for Trumbo in 2012, yep, he’d fit perfectly in this lineup.
Rick C
December 13th, 2012
2:22 pm
Pena might just be to fill Janish’s role until he returns. Surprised it’s a ML deal though.
Mako
December 13th, 2012
2:22 pm
I’d rather the Braves trade Delgado for Fowler.
Murph
December 13th, 2012
2:23 pm
Trout, Hamilton, Pujols… yikes!
Efrim
December 13th, 2012
2:23 pm
I’m sorry, but the Braves would be idiotic to trade for Bourjos and play him in LF.
JasonInFL
December 13th, 2012
2:24 pm
Efrim, I was thinking the same thing. They may not trade an OF.
Mako
December 13th, 2012
2:24 pm
What’s the big deal with Bourjos?
Murph
December 13th, 2012
2:25 pm
Damn our stupid TV deal! Damn it all to hell!!
ncscoots
December 13th, 2012
2:25 pm
Trumbo could play 3B, which would mean Alberto Callaspo would be traded.
Kee-rist, that means we’ll get fifty posts touting Callaspo, prolly. By the time New Year’s rolls around, we’ll be getting touts for some sub-.300-OBP guys.
Mako
December 13th, 2012
2:27 pm
Getting him would basically be replacing scrubs with another scrub
CB
December 13th, 2012
2:27 pm
Also, Morales might be the one traded. Leaves DH position open for Trumbo and old guys.
A.P.
December 13th, 2012
2:27 pm
I’d give LAA Constanza for Bourjos. Possibly Constanza and Schafer if they are playing hardball.
JasonInFL
December 13th, 2012
2:27 pm
Me too, Mako.
Puma
December 13th, 2012
2:27 pm
The Pena signing is weird – I wonder if DOB got the major league contract part wrong. Just weird in light of the Dewitt signing last week (I believe that was a minor league contract.) Between Janish, Pastornicky, Dewitt and Pena, that’s a lot of middle infielders, none of which would be power bats off the bench.
Murph
December 13th, 2012
2:27 pm
What’s the big deal with Bourjos?
TOBF is in a full on bromance with the guy. Nobody else really knows why, but it’s been this way for 2 or 3 months.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 13th, 2012
2:27 pm
Hit .270/.332/.493/.825 in the 2nd half of 2011 w/ a .304 BABIP
But this seems perfect for a Bourjos and pieces trade to the Mets for Dickey. They need OFers, love Bourjos, Angels need pitching. He’d be a good get. Scouts say he can hit .265 consistently.
JC Brave
December 13th, 2012
2:28 pm
Peter Bourjus?
.247/.301/.402/.703 ’s Bourjus?
That one?
Yes please!! Bring him too!!
Efrim
December 13th, 2012
2:29 pm
Be interesting to see what route they go with their outfield. They could keep Bourjos in CF, Trout and Hamilton in the corners. Or keep Trout in CF and go with Hamilton and Trumbo in the corners. Or keep both and trade Callaspo.
Or keep em all.
JasonInFL
December 13th, 2012
2:29 pm
Have to admit, didn’t really see this one coming.
BravePack(FreeFan)
December 13th, 2012
2:30 pm
Mako
December 13th, 2012
2:24 pm
What’s the big deal with Bourjos?
One big deal is we wouldn’t see Constanza, Schafer, or Bonifacio out there. He’s a great outfielder who with Upton and Heyward would make one H of a defensive OF. And he has the potential to hit lead off and can steal some bases and is young, plus he hits RH which many fans on here seem to think is ideal for this team.
JC Brave
December 13th, 2012
2:32 pm
I can’t even bring myself to type his name correctly because of all the excitement!!