2:37 pm December 10, 2012, by David O'Brien
December 12th, 20124:27 pm
so are you saying a fast switch hitting infielder or outfielder would not be a good pick up?
No. I’m saying that Bonifacio would not be a good pickup. All the positional flexibility, switch-hitting, yada yada, won’t mean much if the guy makes outs like he gets gold stars for ‘em. And that’s the one thing he’s proven to be consistently good at.
December 12th, 20124:28 pm
heres the fbook page you wanna be on, if your gonna be on one for the blog:http://www.facebook.com/groups/231611130305683/?notif_t=group_r2j
administered by myself, and also lew and DOB, against their will. (i didnt ask, just made them admins)
We keep hearing about players maybe being favorably affected by a change of scenery. Consider that Fowler is in the middle of pretty constant chaos in Denver with little chance of going anywhere near the playoffs and couple that with the fact he’s from Alpharetta, just married his girlfriend who is also from Atlanta and that both of their families live in ATL – maybe he’s the perfect candidate for a change of scenery having positive effectson his game.
December 12th, 20124:30 pm
Is that what the Braves offered for Choo, Efrim? Gilmartin+?
That’s what my offer would of been, Jason. But Wren hates the stop gap types it seems, so maybe it was even less than that. Aggressive could mean he offered prospects in bulk like he did for Bourn. Tough to say.
I have been reading the blog for a couple of years and vaguely remember Lentz. Just remember that he would always pick a fight with someone and then take it to grade school level when things didn’t go his way.
@Lew Totally agree, I would do a Delgado for Fowler in a heartbeat. The problem is the Rockies balk at that one.
Is that for the new page DAP? Lentz free DOB/MIB Fans?
December 12th, 20124:31 pm
Hello everyone! Gordon from the Royals, was mentioned, as a possible interest too, so Gordon, Folwer, Bonifacio. I would be O.K. with. I’ll welcome either of them to the team too. All, hang in there, an be cool…… Talk tonight, and Peace my friends, and “Go!!!!!Braves!!!!!”
December 12th, 20124:32 pm
What did he say about me??
December 12th, 20124:34 pm
ncscoots, all I’m saying is the potential upside is there. It should be and probably is a last resort kind of thing. But is it happens, it won’t be all bad.
Thanks, Efrim. I thought I might have missed a post that talked about the actual package. Lew, I think you are correct about Dexter. I think he might pick it up a notch being back home and in his prime years.
crazy Is that for the new page DAP? Lentz free DOB/MIB Fans?
yup. come on over.
Just saw on VJ’s page… Haha- is that the worst he can think of for me?
called you cabravesfan (aka cankles overflow)
December 12th, 20124:35 pm
DAP thanks you already accepted me!
That would be if not is.
December 12th, 20124:36 pm
Man, I don’t think I’ve ever been so insulted in my life… (also, I have nice ankles )
I would do a Delgado for Fowler in a heartbeat.
Geez, before long, one will have to give up whole farm teams to get an actual, legit player.
I cannot envision giving up one of my top two pitching prospects for Dexter Fowler. I can’t get there. I’m not even saying that it won’t happen; just that I couldn’t pull the trigger on such a deal.
December 12th, 20124:37 pm
And the funny thing is, I’ve never actually called him anything bad here. Just disagreed as politely as I can (which is hard with him)
December 12th, 20124:38 pm
But is it happens, it won’t be all bad
Hey, I’ll be pulling for you to be right, don’t worry.
I wouldn’t give up Delgado or Teheran for Fowler.
December 12th, 20124:40 pm
Sweet, new FB group! Thanks DAP!
December 12th, 20124:41 pm
One of Delgado or Teheran needs to be traded. A third year in the Minor Leagues for either one of them will do no good for them or the organization. There is only room for one of them in the rotation this year. Not to mention, Beachy will be back around the All Star Break. So, I look for one of Teheran or Delgado to be traded.
December 12th, 20124:43 pm
Delgado is overrated IMO guys but go ahead and kill me on that one…his mechanics are not very good, but maybe he proves me wrong and I cheer for him in game 7 of a wolrd series victory!
Dentz is a weirdo fake, he can go nuts here and still talk normal(for him at least) elsewhere. he is just a poor pathetic lonely person who gets no attention at home, and negative attention is better than no attention at all. the question to me is is it sicker if he is really sick, or if he is not really sick?
December 12th, 20124:45 pm
We’ll hold on to Delgado and Teheran so we can once again have good pitching but struggle to score runs. Been the story of the past few years as Wren is always afraid to pull the trigger on deals that could help our offense.
I read all of nolie’s comments with Morgan Freeman’s voice.
December 12th, 20124:46 pm
Maybe the FO really believes in one of the two to take hold of the #5 spot and believe that one of Gilmartin, Spruill or Graham aren’t that far away if needed early on.
December 12th, 20124:47 pm
Delgado for Fowler would be a fair deal. I’d rather the Braves do that trade than trade anything for Bonifacio
December 12th, 20124:48 pm
nolie, that is well put.
Been the story of the past few years as Wren is always afraid to pull the trigger on deals that could help our offense.
Bonifacio and Fowler dont help the offense. At least not enough to justify trading for them.
December 12th, 20124:50 pm
@Mako I like the way your thinking:}
ncscoots, I agree with you that we shouldn’t give up Delgado or Teheran for Fowler. But the Rockies are going to want a lot for him. Just hope we don’t get desperate and do something foolish.
Hmmm,I read all of nolie’s posts with Elmer Fudd’s voice.
December 12th, 20124:51 pm
@JFP agree like trading for Bonafacio:}
Just hope we don’t get desperate and do something foolish.
Ain’t closing time yet, good buddy.
December 12th, 20124:52 pm
I read all of nolie’s posts with Alfred Einstein’s voice myself……
December 12th, 20124:53 pm
I read all of ncscoots posts as Jackie Gleason from Smokey and the Bandit, so that is cool!
or is that Alfred E Newman’s voice, I always get then two confused
December 12th, 20124:54 pm
I don’t know how that guy sounds… let me look it up…
December 12th, 20124:56 pm
“Bonifacio and Fowler dont help the offense. At least not enough to justify trading for them.”
Both are better than the internal options we have: Constanza, Francisco, Gattis, etc…..
People get hurt over the course of the season. Bonafacio ability to play multiple positions could be beneficial. And obviously he’d be the guy to replace when you make a midseason move. For all we know the guy could come in and kill it. Bonafacio isn’t a terrible option.
December 12th, 20124:57 pm
Lew in a Wilford Brimley voice. Hey,this could be fun!
December 12th, 20124:58 pm
I don’t know guys, that Reed/Francisco construct of Old Man’s sounds like the best player we got
December 12th, 20124:59 pm
Ok, I’ll stick with Morgan for now.
December 12th, 20125:00 pm
Make sure you eat your Grape Nuts… ’cause if you do, you won’t get any older and you won’t ever die.
December 12th, 20125:03 pm
The problem is those idiots in Colorado have a clouded vision of what their players are worth. Remember they asked for Minor AND Teheran for Fowler weeks ago. Maybe if Wren threw in some “premium” green they would lower their demand. Seriously, if they don’t lower their demand from that I don’t see a deal with the Rockies. I remember they asked for Prado and JJ for that Wheeler kid and Smith I believe last year at this time.
I just read nolie’s 4:43 this way, and I halfway convinced myself that Dentz was a character from “The Shawshank Redemption”.
December 12th, 20125:04 pm
Which way to the roof of this building?
December 12th, 20125:05 pm
Fowler out of Coors concerns me, but i do like that he’s young and controllable. Has that speed and power combo and from Atlanta, but we cant view him as a sure fire upgrade, Delgado isnt exactly proven either. Not that Id personally make that swap but it seems fair for both sides.
Bonafacio produced well when given the opportunity to play everyday, can play 6 positions, switch hitter, and blazing speed. He could be a guy we give a shot at being our leadoff guy, while having him as a utility guy as a fallback. Certainly would be a solid addition to the ballclub in my opinion.
Murph in a Chris Farley voice.
December 12th, 20125:08 pm
I read Murph with Steve Carell’s voice.
I real all of Shaun’s posts in Stephen Hawking’s voice.
December 12th, 20125:13 pm
You both just brought tears to me eyes…. tears of JOY!
Y’all – about this administrator thing – might help if you included who you are here on the blog or we could end up with Lentz right back being Lentz. I know who some of you are from sending out artwork, but I just got a barrage from folks I don’t know.
Wow, it totally suits him!
I can’t read all of Tomahawkin’s posts, but if I could I would try it in Ronald Reagan’s voice.
December 12th, 20125:14 pm
Hawking’s voice, but he looks like Sheldon.
December 12th, 20125:15 pm
When I read Ward I hear Sloth.
Sloth love Chunk!
Although, to hear Shaun talk about how hard he works being smarter than all of us, he should look like Lou Ferrigno by now.
December 12th, 20125:17 pm
I read all of Ward’s posts in Randy’s voice from My Name Is Earl, and that ain’t no joke.
December 12th, 20125:19 pm
When I read nolie, I do so in in Ron Perlman’s voice.
December 12th, 20125:21 pm
I read Hillbilly in Denver Pyle’s voice. I read jeffrey d in Gomer Pyle’s voice.
With scoots I kind of lean toward Robert Duval.
December 12th, 20125:22 pm
Wren needs to be focused on a Stanton, Upton, Hart, or Willingham type hitter. Not a bench/super sub like Bonifacio. Get Willingham and then go get Bonifacio for the last bench spot. Thats were Bonifacio would add value.
Bonifacio and Fowler dont help the offense. At least not enough to justify trading for them
Depends on who we trade. If it’s the Minor-Delgado package Colorado reportedly asked for, then hell no. Trading just Delgado would even be tough, but I don’t think it would be the end of the world. The Braves have plenty of organizational depth at pitcher. Gilmartin and Spruill are close, Graham a little behind them, and Sims and Wood should come up through the ranks quickly.
Based on the reports out of Dominican, I would hold tight on trading Teheran. He might be working his way back to the “unreachable” category again.
December 12th, 20125:24 pm
I hear R. Lee Emery when I read nolie’s posts.
What is your major malfunction numbnuts?!? Did your parents have any children that lived?
December 12th, 20125:25 pm
I am not the biggest fan of Fowler and surely would not move Teheran for me, or Delgado. Colorado will want even more along with Teheran or Delgado. I dont see a match
December 12th, 20125:26 pm
Really, nolie in a Professor Higgins voice.
December 12th, 20125:27 pm
I read Hillbilly in Denver Pyle’s voice.
Ha! Good one, but think younger, my man. I cant seem to hear Denver Pyle at age 33.
CB you read like Sam Elliott to me.
December 12th, 20125:28 pm
Plenty of reminders this off season on the importance of not being cheap in the draft and player development areas. Free agent prices are so high and trade demands are so high that it is so difficult to obtain the pieces needed to win the championship unless you are the Dodgers, Yankees, Rangers, BoSox, Angels.
December 12th, 20125:30 pm
Hillbilly, cool. Truthfully, I am more of a Wilford Brimley myself. LOL
December 12th, 20125:31 pm
Murph = Bill Murray
December 12th, 20125:33 pm
R. Lee Emery – that voice was used for the old SJA!
December 12th, 20125:34 pm
So far I have Chris Farley, Steve Carrell, and Bill Murray.
A happier afternoon the ol’ blog I’ve never had.
December 12th, 20125:35 pm
McFann in a Lil Orphan Annie voice. Soph in a Gilda Radner voice (compliment,Soph)
December 12th, 20125:37 pm
CraZy has always been older Pacino to me. Not Michael Corleone-Pacino, but more Devil’s Advocate-Pacino.
December 12th, 20125:41 pm
George George in a Fredo voice.
December 12th, 20125:43 pm
I read scoots with the Lawrence Fishburn voice… not the one from The Matrix, but the one from Higher Learning where he plays a professor.
I also read keyLargo in the Remy voice from that same movie. Not sure why, though.
December 12th, 20125:45 pm
Dang,fellows. We need a trade bad.
I read Dentz as the wicked witch of the west voice
December 12th, 20125:50 pm
ESPN ranks Chipper as 49th best player in history. not bad for a florida country boy
This is how I imagine PL’s voice.
December 12th, 20125:51 pm
With Beachy coming back around mid season I think we could afford moving Delgado for the time being. I don’t know about next off season though when Huddy and Maholm are free agents. My guess is that Hudson will be back if he has another good year with us.
In regards to Fowler or Bonifacio, to me, it depends on what they would cost. Fowler may cost someone like Delgado. I don’t know what Bonifacio would cost, but I doubt it would be anyone that we would lose sleep over.
I am glad to see Wren is actively engaged. I do not believe Fransisco would last the year at third. Plus I would like to keep Simmons down in the order and Prado in the two hole. If the price is right we must make a deal.
December 12th, 20125:59 pm
You really shouldn’t badmouth witches like that. What did she ever do to you?
December 12th, 20126:00 pm
TOBF–the kid from Two and Half Men.
December 12th, 20126:03 pm
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December 12th, 20126:05 pm
1. Dexter Fowler LF
2. Martin Prado 3B
3. Jason Heyward RF
4. BJ Upton CF
5. Freddie Freeman 1B
6. Dan Uggla 2B
7. Brian McCann C
8. Andrelton Simmons SS
That would be a good and solid looking lineup there.
December 12th, 20126:06 pm
I actually picture TOBF as the kid from Jerry Maguire, complete with glasses and spiky hair.
December 12th, 20126:09 pm
Murph, wasn’t that kid kinda smart? Or cute?
December 12th, 20126:10 pm
Some notes from a CAC contributor to 2 winter league games they saw Mr. Francisco play:
Francisco hit cleanup for the Licey team in both games. So far in 108 at-bats, he’s posted a .315/.375/.565 slash line, with 7 HR’s and a 11/31 BB/K ratio. He is currently leading the Dominican League with a .940 OPS. From what I saw, he looked similar to the Juan we saw in Atlanta this season. As you’d expect, he had a very hard, pull-heavy swing (he lost his bat into the stands once). Overall, he did make some solid contact that resulted in a couple hard hit balls.
Again, this is a very small sample so it’s tough to put much, if any, weight into this. The numbers do look good, but I would avoid getting too giddy and temper the expectations until we see him in the spring for a month. If anything, a slimmed down Francisco is the strongest take away. This would also undoubtedly improve his range at third, where he already possesses a very strong-arm.
December 12th, 20126:13 pm
Lentz is at it again on facebook, basically calling all of us morons, who is in charge of that page? everything thing he post is negative and so on….
December 12th, 20126:16 pm
Had to leave to go cut down a tree for Christmas. It has become a great tradition for us. Something which 10 years ago I would have told you was not anything I had any interest in doing whatsoever. Our oldest is off at school as a freshman taking his first finals, and he asked us to send pictures of the tree cutting trip. He’ll be home next week. I think he’s a little homesick. Lots of California, NY, NJ types at his school. I think he’ll have fun hearing, “What the hell is a Christmas tree farm?”
Back to Juan Francisco. I see two notes on my obsession.
First, that just changing a few pinch hit numbers doesn’t mean much. But Juan is a little odd in that he had a ton of pinch hit chances, and he started a lot when Chipper was hurt. Last year he had 151 ABs at 3B, and 41 as a pinch hitter. And he sucks so incredibly bad as a pinch hitter, the ratio is close enough that it kills his overall numbers. I will also note that he is doing no pinch hitting this winter, which might explain a lot of why he is having such a good season down there. Coincidence?
Second, the BABIP monster reared its ugly head. I get the basic idea, but that’s about it. Is it normal for a guy who kills righties to have a higher BABIP against them? Anyway, Juan has only two years of meaningful MLB stats. Here are his BABIP numbers for the last two seasons:
YEAR/VS. LEFTY/VS. RIGHTY/COMBINED
Someone please tell me, does this mean one would expect Juan to regress or improve or stay the same against lefties or righties in 2013?
I note that Bill James is projecting a 2013 BABIP for Juan of .327. Does that mean he projects Juan’s numbers will go up next year?
December 12th, 20126:18 pm
The Bill James BABIP projection for Francisco is an overall number. Not even he has time to do projections of BABIP splits.
December 12th, 20126:19 pm
Did the first Braves Fans of DOB’s Blog page get taken down off of FB? I can’t find it anymore.
December 12th, 20126:21 pm
well Lentz is really going overboard on facebook, they really need to remove him from the page….
December 12th, 20126:24 pm
scoot is the Sam Elliott voice: Beef, it’s what’s for dinner!
Lew works well as Wilford Brumley
and me, well I fancy myself as John Wayne; pilgrim!
December 12th, 20126:34 pm
I think Johnson/Francisco is the best we’ve got right now, easily. I’m not opposed to Fowler. I am sort of impressed that his very recent stats away from Coors are not really terrible. Honeslty, Wren knows far more than we do. I’m inclined to support whatever he does.
Go to the door marked “EXIT,” then go up the stairs. You will find the roof. Please don’t jump. We love you dearly.
I’m wondering if Wren hasn’t gotten into the same situation some of us here have. Early on, two players were imperative. As things progressed initially, other GMs had nutty demands for trades. Then Gattis did well, Francisco did well, and suddenly Teheran turned it around. Then when clubs began to get more realistic, Wren felt like he was less needy and less willing to part with assets. His urge to get the second guy via trade was a little diminished. Maybe we would have beat the Red’s offer on Choo 4 weeks ago. Today, Wren is less willing to part with someone like Teheran.
I hope he doesn’t make a rash move just because 6 weeks ago he publicly stated he needed to get a second “premium player” via trade or free agency. In baseball, especially with young players, things can change in 6 weeks. Part of Wren’s job is to stay on top of that.
December 12th, 20126:37 pm
I know people hate long posts like mine. About 10 or so up I had one asking about BABIP on Francisco.
Any BABIP geeks are welcomed to educate me.
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