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BravePack(FreeFan)
December 12th, 2012
3:27 pm
BTW…DOB said on twitter Wren wouldn’t give too much for 1 year rental. Also said Braves still talking trades and Bonifacio and Fowler remain in play.
Efrim
December 12th, 2012
3:29 pm
Does any team really “rebuild” anymore anyway? No team ever classifies it as that anymore, it seems. If they ever did. NFL, NBA, NHL teams seem to “rebuild” more than MLB teams do.
TheOnlyBravesFan
December 12th, 2012
3:29 pm
spending a huge amount of concern on numbers that are too small to mean much of anything. the addition or subtraction of a few PH stats means absolutely nothing in re reliability guys….
gotta be as insanely accurate as possible…
see ya later guys
Real Talk
December 12th, 2012
3:29 pm
DOB makes me puke everytime he mentions Bonafacio, I know it might be true but can we just be surprised so we dont have to hear his sorry name every minute as a possibility….I say Fowler(Maybe) or just go with what we have and see how everything pans out!!
Venice Jim
December 12th, 2012
3:30 pm
ncscoots – and he had some very classy things to say about you on Facebook…
ncscoots
December 12th, 2012
3:31 pm
BTW…DOB said on twitter
Well, that’s nice. Maybe he’ll find a moment soon to visit us here on his blog.
ncscoots
December 12th, 2012
3:33 pm
and he had some very classy things to say about you on Facebook…
You mean Dentz, VJ? Hey, I’m happy just to be remembered.
Murph
December 12th, 2012
3:33 pm
Have any of you ever looked at Lentz’s FB page? It’s sad. He’s got nothing. He’s got nobody (except a brother that doesn’t even like him). He has nothing to do during the day. He has nowhere to go.
Efrim
December 12th, 2012
3:34 pm
David O’Brien @ajcbraves
hearing #Braves did make strong push for Choo but weren’t going to overpay for 1-year rental.
David O’Brien @ajcbraves
#Braves are still involved in multiple trade talks, two of their targets believed to be Bonifacio and Fowler
ncscoots
December 12th, 2012
3:35 pm
VJ, are any of those “classy things” repeatable here, LOL?
CB
December 12th, 2012
3:35 pm
Murph,you just described half of this blog.
raleighbravefan
December 12th, 2012
3:35 pm
Aren’t Fowler’s home/away splits kinda scary? I would be cautious.
nolie
December 12th, 2012
3:36 pm
maybe he could do us all a favor and commit seppuku Murph….
Efrim
December 12th, 2012
3:36 pm
Fowler, I like if the price isn’t absurd. That’d make the team, what, with the youngest average aged lineup in the sport other than Houston?
nolie
December 12th, 2012
3:37 pm
on the other hand there is no way I would list any truthful personal info on FB or anywhere else on the web
ncscoots
December 12th, 2012
3:37 pm
come on, nolie, when would a guy like Dentz ever do the world a favor like that? He hates the world, remember?
Efrim
December 12th, 2012
3:37 pm
Aren’t Fowler’s home/away splits kinda scary? I would be cautious.
Yeah, that’s sort of the tough thing to deal with Colorado. All their prices for their players seem crazy. Never gonna get around that one.
nolie
December 12th, 2012
3:38 pm
yeah I worry about almost all Coors hitters except the real exceptional few
jfp
December 12th, 2012
3:39 pm
nolie, have you looked at Juan’s stats in the minors? He didn’t do that bad. I am not as surprised that he did well in the DR as some are. What I was surprised at was that he did everything the Braves mentioned he needed to work on. He is still a big question mark but he is making adjustments and has talent. The hard part for us is that we have to wait until spring training to be able to make a good assessment of him. But what he has done for his trade value may provide a piece that puts together a significant trade for left field. Worse case scenario, he turns the corner and becomes the player the Braves had hoped for when they got him.
Efrim
December 12th, 2012
3:40 pm
Colorado would have to come far down from Mike Minor and Julio Teheran for Fowler…….
cabravesfan
December 12th, 2012
3:41 pm
Add McFann’s contest site to the ever expanding list that He Who Shall Not Be Named has been banned from…
DAP
December 12th, 2012
3:41 pm
fowler would be alot better than bonafacio.
jfp
December 12th, 2012
3:42 pm
Efrim, I like Fowler but not impressed enough to give up a huge bounty for him. Definitely scary when you look at the splits away from home.
Real Talk
December 12th, 2012
3:43 pm
Boanafacio SUX!!!!
Efrim
December 12th, 2012
3:43 pm
I thought Gilmartin + was pretty fair for one year of Choo, and maybe would of been the winning offer had Zona not lost their minds.
DS1
December 12th, 2012
3:44 pm
Fowler is definitely a risk. I’m guessing FW is trying to peddle a Gilmartin/Spruill type package for him.
I love the way our guy hangs onto his best pitching! You can NEVER have enough pitching. I’m not overly worried about sending anybody back to AAA for a third trip. Those issues seem to work themselves out. We could always deal someone during the spring if 2-3 of our prospects shine.
Lew
December 12th, 2012
3:44 pm
scoots – Not really. I just left the group. Just not worth listening to Lentz’s line of B.S.. I’d say the total break with reality has already started. Hope someone gets him back on his meds before he opens fire on a mall.
Efrim
December 12th, 2012
3:44 pm
fowler would be alot better than bonafacio.
And cost so much more, I’d bet.
ChattTownBrian
December 12th, 2012
3:45 pm
I would love Fowler here. Get this guy! I agree the home/road numbers are pretty scary, but I think with his age and potential that you should take the chance, definitely. Bring him home to Atlanta could easily help him.
MikeInFl
December 12th, 2012
3:45 pm
What’s the point in spending so much time calculating precise numbers for a player who has a total of less than 400 ML plate appearances spread over 4 years, and then parsing them by pitcher and situation… given the opportunity to play, young players tend to get better or worse than they did their first 300 at-bats.
Braves seem to think (and based on his winter performance) that Juan has the potential to be better as he matures and learns (and gets in shape). That seems reasonable for a guy who posted better numbers with each move up the minor league structure (.763 at A, .799 at A+, .818 at AA, .895 at AAA in 700 PA’s). His sporadic opportunities in the ML level are probably pretty poor predictors (alliteration award!) of his future success.
ncscoots
December 12th, 2012
3:46 pm
He’s an odd guy, Lew, and that’s a fact.
Efrim
December 12th, 2012
3:46 pm
We could always deal someone during the spring if 2-3 of our prospects shine.
Most all legit players are dealt between now and mid-January. I really think that if no deals have happened by then, we will go to April with what we have – maybe with a slight tweak. Players like Choo aren’t acquired in March, or even February.
Real Talk
December 12th, 2012
3:49 pm
@Efrim that might be the case most of the times but leadoff type hitters are found anytime of the spring AKA Otis NIxon, but like you I think we have what we are going with in April and I am excited about the prospects!!
DS1
December 12th, 2012
3:50 pm
Efrim
What I was referring to is that we could deal another starting pitcher in the spring if both Teheran AND Delgado shined in the spring. We could always send Maholm to a team needing a starter.
Just sayin…….
I’m a prospect hugger. Better be a much better haul than Fowler to let go of Delgado or Teheran.
Lew
December 12th, 2012
3:50 pm
scoots – Yes, he is.
Efrim
December 12th, 2012
3:50 pm
I was hoping for Sean Gilmartin for Denard Span so that Twins fans could continue to complain about soft tossers and guys that don’t miss bats.
For anyone that says high floor/low ceiling, soft tossing pitchers can work, just take a look at that Twins pitching. Just awful. And they trade Span and Revere for two guys that sit in the mid-upper 90’s. But then sign Kevin Correia….
Venice Jim
December 12th, 2012
3:50 pm
scoots – he’s taken to using that as his forum to comment on posts here (only posting in its entirety for the very humorous closing):
ncscoots has to be one of the worst posters on the DOB blog. Dude posted at 11:41am in the “Dale Murphy” blog the following:
“It’s a lot more likely that the two of them (Brian McFatty and Dan Uggly) are the hitters they’ve been over thousands of PAs, rather than those PAs of any single year.”
ncscoots (more like ncs#$@%^$&forbrains)….dude you need to get your facts straight! For the past TWO YEARS…both McFatty and Uggly have BOTH STRUGGLED! We’ve paid Uggly $39 mil in 2011, 2012 and 2013 combined…to be a #7 hitter? McFatty’s getting paid a combined $24 mil in 2012 and 2013…to struggle coming back from injuries and play 110 games a season?
ncs$#@%^%forbrains! By the end of June….McCann and Uggla WILL NOT have more than 10 homers/30 RBIs COMBINED between the two of them. Neither will be hitting over .240. BANK ON IT!
Real Talk
December 12th, 2012
3:51 pm
@DS1 Maholm goes nowhere until the trade deadline at the earliest so we can see if Beachy makes it back:}
Curt
December 12th, 2012
3:51 pm
I think its either boredom or liking to incite people into arguments. He argues with everyone. Pretty funny in some cases but not nice when the insults come. the thing on FB about McFann…not nice
jfp
December 12th, 2012
3:51 pm
Bonafacio would be a huge risk but probably cost less. The potential upside could be huge. All I remember when watching him play for the Marlins was someone who always came to play and brought a lot of energy to the game. Would not be opposed to seeing him on the team at least as a fourth outfielder.
DS1
December 12th, 2012
3:52 pm
Any time we give a guy like Lentz a single mention (like I am doing now), we only fortify his position.
Best to just disregard the low life.
raleighbravefan
December 12th, 2012
3:53 pm
“Bring him home to Atlanta could easily help him” Yupp…worked for Frenchy.
RC
December 12th, 2012
3:53 pm
For anyone that says high floor/low ceiling, soft tossing pitchers can work, just take a look at that Twins pitching. Just awful.
I’m not willing to say the Twins are the end-all-be-all that it can’t work. Of course pitchers like that CAN succeed. However, the likelyhood of them succeeding is much less than that of high-upside, flamethrowers, so why not play the percentages and go for the talented guy?
Murph
December 12th, 2012
3:53 pm
VJ, where is the magical place full of Dentz comments? I want to read ‘em.
ChattTownBrian
December 12th, 2012
3:53 pm
Efrim, you’re right. Very rarely are the good ones dealt or signed close to spring training. Just don’t see it, or I haven’t in a while.
DS1
December 12th, 2012
3:54 pm
Real Talk
What if Huddy, Medlen, Minor, Teheran and Delgado ALL do well in the spring? Do you still hang onto Maholm and put one of those guys in the pen? (legit question, not questioning your logic)
Real Talk
December 12th, 2012
3:54 pm
@jFp we have a very good 4th OF’er in Reed Johnson, so there is no need there…we will stand put and maybe by the Summer Gattis is ready or the price comes to where we add the piece we need to and run down the Nats who I think are way overrated!!
Curt
December 12th, 2012
3:55 pm
funny thing is the guy is not even in Atlanta. Cant he bother the Rockies fans?
Lew
December 12th, 2012
3:55 pm
Beachy is not due back until after the trade deadline per Wren on MLBTV last week. I really wouldn’t count on Beachy for much of anything this year. He might make some kind of contribution, but we saw Hudson limited to seven starts and Medlen limited to a few innings after their TJ surgeries. I’m seriously doubting that his return affects Maholm at all.
Hillbilly
December 12th, 2012
3:55 pm
Aren’t Fowler’s home/away splits kinda scary? I would be cautious.
They were bad in 2009 and 2010, but he’s improved overall (Home and Away) as a hitter in the past 2 seasons. They splits are still pretty drastic, but now it’s more due to the Home numbers being high rather than the Road numbers being down, if that makes any sense.
Road numbers in the past 4 seasons
2009: .236 .331 .387 .717
2010: .211 .297 .298 .595
2011: .286 .367 .415 .782
2012: .262 .339 .381 .720
ChattTownBrian
December 12th, 2012
3:56 pm
raleighbravesfan, I knew that was coming. Haha I was fixing to mention Frenchy in that too.
Patrick
December 12th, 2012
3:56 pm
How many people on here HONESTLY think that if the Braves do not acquire a true, proven left fielder that they have a chance at winning the division?
How many think that they will in contention for a wild card berth at the trade deadline?
Now we all know that there is nothing that any of us can do to improve the team. But it is ridiculous to fool yourself into thinking that this “plan” could work and also write comments on here supporting this ’strategy” and supporting Wren.
The resson that I’m pretty negative about it is because, sometimes…if enough people express their unhappiness, it can make a difference. Just think about when the Braves announced that they were going to severely scale back Skip Carey’s broadcasting duties and the public outcry, rage and negative backlash that the Braves got for that caused them to actually change their decision.
So, my point is, don’t try and justify things that you do not agree with. And this is ridiculous, for the first time in years, the Braves have money to spend and resources to trade and they are sitting on everything. Also, the deeper this offseason is getting, it really does seem as if the Braves are going to do nothing else of significance. I don’t know about anyone else, but that really ticks me off.
Maybe if the fans and the local media were a bit harsher on the Front office, light a fire so to speak, it would cause them to step up. I would say that the winning teams-for the most part-have fires lit under them. Philly, LA, New York, Chicago, Detroit, Florida, Texas, Boston. So are the markets that I can think of off the top of my head.
We as Braves fans should not have to comes terms with having to “settle”. The Atlanta Braves under Ted Turner set out to become one of the class organizations in baseball. And it seems that every day, all of the hard work that they put in to make themselves just that is slowly being destroyed. That is a shame
Efrim
December 12th, 2012
3:56 pm
However, the likelyhood of them succeeding is much less than that of high-upside, flamethrowers, so why not play the percentages and go for the talented guy?
Yes, that’s the better way of putting it.
cabravesfan
December 12th, 2012
3:57 pm
Murph-
On Facebook (they dont have a system to ban folks- I’ve just totally blocked him from my pages)
Efrim
December 12th, 2012
3:57 pm
2011: .286 .367 .415 .782
2012: .262 .339 .381 .720
26 years old, too. Just not sure if they will pay the huge price.
Real Talk
December 12th, 2012
3:57 pm
@DS1 if that happens then yes I think Maholm gets traded, but be careful thinking Delgado and Tehran will both be in the rotation and as far as delgado there are some questions lately about his progress. I think the most likely scenario is Teheran wins the 5th spot Delgado goes to AAA and if Beachy comes back and/or delgado performs well then we trade Maholm for a bat off the bench or a arm in the bullpen if needed for the pennant drive.
ChattTownBrian
December 12th, 2012
3:59 pm
Bonifacio is still better than Constanza. I am thinking Fowler is the obvious choice between the two if I can get in Wren’s head a minute. That is if the report is true.
jfp
December 12th, 2012
3:59 pm
Efrm, are those Fowler’s stats?
the truth...
December 12th, 2012
3:59 pm
It is unbelievable to me that there is any question of whether Murph is worth…………check out these articles from CNNSI on the hitters on the ballot and then secondly the pitchers on the ballot….are you kidding me?????
http://mlb.si.com/2012/12/11/sandy-alomar-jeff-conine-royce-clayton-hall-of-fame-jaws/
And some of the pitchers:
http://mlb.si.com/2012/12/11/jaws-and-the-2013-hall-of-fame-ballot-part-ii-stray-pitchers/?sct=obinsite
Some of the hitters are hardly recognizeable…..good grief Charlie Brown !!!
ncscoots
December 12th, 2012
4:02 pm
ncscoots has to be one of the worst posters on the DOB blog.
I’m actually kinda touched by that, really. If Dentz thinks I’m “one of the worst”, well, then maybe I’ve managed a few posts that were worth reading.
Hell, who am I kidding? That makes me the frickin’ King Kong of posters, LOL. Dentz thinks you’re bad? You be good, brother, like extra-fine.
Biggest compliment I’ve had in weeks.
CrαZy
December 12th, 2012
4:02 pm
Have any of you ever looked at Lentz’s FB page? It’s sad. He’s got nothing. He’s got nobody (except a brother that doesn’t even like him). He has nothing to do during the day. He has nowhere to go.
Every time he posts something I get the notification from Facebook about someone posting something on the DOB page…. Poor guy it really is sad the one time I looked at his FB page!! I’ve never read a damn word past his first sentence though!! Dude’s just trollin for some attention!!
Lew
December 12th, 2012
4:02 pm
They are not going to bring up two pitchers with almost zero MLB experience along with two other young pitchers already in the rotation and then start to sell of pitching. They use 8-10 starters every year. They have Hudson, Medlen, MInor, Maholm, Teheran and Delgado – that’s only six and then you go down to pitching with damned little above AA beind them.
Just not seeing a veteran pitcher leaving the Braves.
Murph
December 12th, 2012
4:03 pm
cab, is there a page name? I tried searching for the usual Braves Blog and whatnot….
jfp
December 12th, 2012
4:06 pm
Thanks Efrim, I looked them up. It’s his away stats for 11 and 12.
cabravesfan
December 12th, 2012
4:06 pm
Murph-
Braves fans of DOB’s blog. Like I said, I don’t see any of his comments so I can’t tell you more than that
raleighbravefan
December 12th, 2012
4:07 pm
Patrick – I think we will field a very competitive team in 2013, even without a big signing/trade for LF. BTW, how many wins did you predict for 2012? I’m betting it was closer to 75 than to 94.
nolie
December 12th, 2012
4:08 pm
actually if Bonifacio could get his OBP over 350 like in 2011 he would be a relatively cheap leadoff hitter who would help the club, so that is the main question to me, can he do that? If he does he is not all that much different from Bourn ans a quarter of the price
Soph
December 12th, 2012
4:09 pm
Who created that page? Can’t they just block him from the group?
Hillbilly
December 12th, 2012
4:10 pm
Fowler’s splits were actually not bad at all in 2011. Higher average and OBP on the road than at Coors:
Home .245 .360 .451 .811
Away .286 .367 .415 .782
Real Talk
December 12th, 2012
4:10 pm
Bonifacio:{ puke a litle everytime someone says it…whew just cant take that one….really shows why some people are fans and some lead teams:}
raleighbravefan
December 12th, 2012
4:10 pm
scoots – I think you are “extra fine”…even King Kong-like. But then, what do I know?
cabravesfan
December 12th, 2012
4:11 pm
Soph-
I don’t know who created it, but its a public group. Only way to control who is on in a group is to make it private, which would mean everyone would have to be approved by the group admin (basically would have to be an entirely new group)
jfp
December 12th, 2012
4:11 pm
nolie, agree 100 per cent on Bonafacio. Like I said worst that could happen is he beomces a fourth outfielder and a great pinch runner.
Murph
December 12th, 2012
4:11 pm
Thanks cab.
That is some funny, funny stuff. Wow.
It would be pretty easy for the group owner to simply kick him out of the group, but I almost hope they don’t.
unbelievable
December 12th, 2012
4:12 pm
actually if Bonifacio could get his OBP over 350 like in 2011 he would be a relatively cheap leadoff hitter who would help the club, so that is the main question to me, can he do that?
His other 5 seasons say that its not likely. He’s a career .329OBP 81OPS+ player. He’s a decent bench player, nothing more.
ncscoots
December 12th, 2012
4:12 pm
actually if Bonifacio could get his OBP over 350 like in 2011
Unfortunately, that’s the year that gets chosen when you play “Which Does Not Belong?”
nolie
December 12th, 2012
4:13 pm
really shows why some people are fans and some lead teams..Real Talk
and just who is it here that leads teams?? are you delusional about what comments here amount to?
Lew
December 12th, 2012
4:13 pm
I think the group was started by RHR.
jfp
December 12th, 2012
4:14 pm
Hillbilly, good point, didn’t notice 2011. Probably because there was such a big difference in 2012.
nolie
December 12th, 2012
4:16 pm
seems like he was doing pretty good last year B4 he had an injury, course I might be misremembering. but notice that I never said I thought he could do it, just that ifhe could he would suffice
ncscoots
December 12th, 2012
4:16 pm
Like I said worst that could happen is he beomces a fourth outfielder and a great pinch runner.
They already have a 4th OF.
Real Talk
December 12th, 2012
4:16 pm
WE HAVE A 4TH OUTFIELDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Geez!!!!!!!!!!!!! His Name is Reed Johnson, go to the games and truly watch them….Bonifacio is no better than Schafer which WE HAVE…..Can we get off the Bonifacio thing guys!!!!!!!!!
Lew
December 12th, 2012
4:18 pm
And a fifth, sixth and seventh outfielder.
jfp
December 12th, 2012
4:18 pm
ncscoots, ok he can play infield as well and is a switch htter.
Real Talk
December 12th, 2012
4:18 pm
@Nolie well I do my fine sir…20 years and proud of it…with 3 state championships…not saying what anyone says is not from the heart but it is not always what wins championships!!
nolie
December 12th, 2012
4:18 pm
ok which regular nutjob changed his name to Real Talk. where do those random capitalizations and excessive punctuations come from????
jfp
December 12th, 2012
4:18 pm
ncscoots, ok he can play infield as well and is a switch htter.
ncscoots
December 12th, 2012
4:19 pm
course I might be misremembering.
I don’t think you are; I believe he did start out well last year. But I don’t care enough to look.
CrαZy
December 12th, 2012
4:19 pm
After saying I don’t read Lentz posts…. I just read the most recent Lentz post full of name calling towards NcScoots, cab, Lew and others… Confirmation that I should ignore the fool.
Hillbilly
December 12th, 2012
4:19 pm
good point, didn’t notice 2011. Probably because there was such a big difference in 2012.
jfp, Yeah, and it’s not like he just bombed on the road in 2012. It’s just that he flat out dominated at home (.332 .431 .553 .984) , and therein lies the huge difference. I’m not opposed to a Fowler acquisition at all, as long as the price is fair.
Real Talk
December 12th, 2012
4:19 pm
@Nolie sorry but can we stop with the 4th OF’er is all I am saying
ncscoots
December 12th, 2012
4:20 pm
ok he can play infield as well
They already have a backup middle IF, as well.
raleighbravefan
December 12th, 2012
4:21 pm
Real Talk – I’m not advocating for Bonifacio, by any means….but he’s better than Schafer, even if it’s only because he can play so many positions.
jfp
December 12th, 2012
4:21 pm
Hillbilly, agreed. He appears to carry himself well and has a good demeanor.Would probably be a good clubhouse fit.
Rick C
December 12th, 2012
4:21 pm
I don’t want Bonifacio as a starter but he’s definitely better than Schafer.
jfp
December 12th, 2012
4:23 pm
ncscoots, so are you saying a fast switch hitting infielder or outfielder would not be a good pick up?
JasonInFL
December 12th, 2012
4:23 pm
Is that what the Braves offered for Choo, Efrim? Gilmartin+?
Lew
December 12th, 2012
4:23 pm
Crazy – Yeah, I just posted about him needing to be back on his meds – figured it wouldn’t be too much longer.
No human value to him at all.
Real Talk
December 12th, 2012
4:27 pm
@ raleighbravefan your are correct
jfp
December 12th, 2012
4:27 pm
Crazy, was that on Facebook?