2:37 pm December 10, 2012, by David O'Brien
December 11th, 20129:31 pm
Gee, wonder why we aren’t on his list?
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN
AL has been markedly better in recent years, but powerhouse teams may be in NL in 2013: Defending champ SF, Washington, CIN, STL, LAD.
December 11th, 20129:33 pm
Thank God the “Choo to Braves as a 1 year rental” BS is now over.
Now I’m gonna go pray the Blue Jays do not trade Bonifacio.
Indians still need pitching, but there is some of that left. We all should of all known Francona wasn’t signing on there and going to allow them to sell, I guess.
December 11th, 20129:35 pm
San Francisco Giants a powerhouse?
December 11th, 20129:36 pm
AL has been markedly better in recent years, but powerhouse teams may be in NL in 2013: Defending champ SF, Washington, CIN, STL, LAD.
Guess Buster has picked his five playoff teams. We’ll show him!
December 11th, 20129:39 pm
No way are the Braves are as good as any of those 5 teams.
December 11th, 20129:40 pm
Jerry Crasnick @jcrasnick
The #Indians whiffed only 1,087 times last year, 12th most among the 14 AL teams. That total is likely to climb.
No way are the Braves as good as any of those 5 teams.
Mark Reynolds and Drew Stubbs, the newest #indians, combined for 325 strikeouts in 950 ABs last season.
December 11th, 20129:41 pm
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
Source: #Indians to send #Reds approximately $3.5M to account for differences in projected salaries between Choo, Stubbs.
December 11th, 20129:42 pm
Yankees free agents after 2013: OF’s Curtis Granderson, Ichiro Suzuki; 3B Kevin Youkilis, 2B Robinson Cano, SP’s Hiroki Kuroda, Andy Pettitte, Phil Hughes; RP’s Mariano Rivera, Joba Chamberlain, and Boone Logan.
Still not done with the roster yet, but they are sure seem to be sticking to that $189 million limit for luxury tax. And they have $75 million guaranteed to A-Rod, Sabathia and Teixiera for 2014 with Jeter most likely to return on some level. But may need LF, RF, DH, C, 2B, 3B, 3 SP’s and 3 RP’s.
December 11th, 20129:43 pm
Can’t picture the Braves making the playoffs next season.
December 11th, 20129:52 pm
Great Guy, Way above average player… However Not a Hall of Fame player !
December 11th, 20129:53 pm
Can’t picture the Braves making the playoffs next season
Good, then don’t bother watching any games.
December 11th, 20129:56 pm
John Gambadoro @Gambo620
Justin Upton will not be traded. Arizona will not be entertaining any more offers for Upton’s services. He is staying a Dback.
December 11th, 20129:57 pm
Jason Martinez @mlbdepthcharts
As bad as those two trades look on paper, the #Dbacks didn’t have to trade Justin Upton and Towers thinks Gregorius will be a terrific SS.
December 11th, 20129:59 pm
Walt Jocketty said at GMs meetings that #reds were seeking a 1-year fit in CF and leadoff to buy time for Billy Hamilton.
I figured he was talking about a Coco Crisp or David DeJesus. Turns out he was thinking a lot more boldly. #reds
December 11th, 201210:00 pm
Towers: “Highly unlikely” #DBacks trade Upton. Needs filled, better team with him. “At this point, I don’t think that is going to happen.”
JIM BOWDEN @JimBowdenESPNxm
Talked to two scouts who scouted Choo last year and both opined that Bruce would end up in CF and Choo in RF after Dusty evaluates them
December 11th, 201210:03 pm
Just because you spend a lot of money doesn’t mean you make the playoffs (LAD). Boston did it and now they’re rebuilding. Still got to play 162 games. Not that the Braves don’t have work to do because I believe the Phillies got better and theres no way they have the same year they had last year. And they are still likely to add an OF.
December 11th, 201210:05 pm
Question about Arizona part of the deal: Is the upgrade that Didi Gregorius represents over Cliff Pennington worth Trevor Bauer?
December 11th, 201210:07 pm
Seen several reporters mention that Dejesus may be available. Hopefully the Braves have checked in. Just my opinion but he fits great. Shouldn’t cost to much.
December 11th, 201210:09 pm
“Good, then don’t bother watching any games.”
Oh shut up with that bullcrap. This team as constructed now are not nearly as good as SF, WAS, CIN, STL, LAD, plain and simple.(at least, not WAS, CIN, or LAD) That doesn’t mean I’m going to drop them. I was a fan back when the Braves sucked and I’ll continue to being a fan, even despite me not expecting them to do much next season. Imagine that
Being a little blind homer doesn’t make you better.
December 11th, 201210:10 pm
“Can’t picture the Braves making the playoffs next season.”
arrivals: CF Upton, C Laird, OF Johnson (re-signed), IF Janish (re-signed), RP Walden (trade with LAA)
departures: CF Bourn, 3B Jones, C Ross (signed with BOS), SP Hanson (traded to LAA), 1B/OF Hinske (signed with AZ), SP Jurrjens, RP Moylan, IF Baker
Does seem like we’ve taken a bit of a step backwards
#Reds not done. Still planning to add utility man.
December 11th, 201210:14 pm
Did y’all know that, McFann, is a semifinalist in a photo contest for her knitting work? Apparently, it involves her knitting, plus a photo of how she themed it. In this case, it’s a picnic setting of gnomes.
According to her e-mail, comments seem to count as votes.
So click on this link and leave a comment as to how much McFann’s, 2ND one down – “Gnome Picnic” by ForeverWrens, is your favorite and give her some support.
December 11th, 201210:15 pm
Just too much firepower in the NL this upcoming season to expect the Braves to seriously compete with Francisco/Constanza as starters
If we go with our internal options then yes, we’ve taken a huge step backwards.
December 11th, 201210:16 pm
“Can’t see the Braves making the playoffs next season”
Well right now I think they are in that wild card picture. Remember we finished around 6 games up on STL. Though Philly should be better. Though many people didn’t think we’d make it last year bringing back the vast majority of the 2011 roster. I agree I don’t think the Braves have taken any steps to be better than last year. Still missing a piece to round out this group. I like Francisco but I prefer him and Johnson to be the #10 guys rather than the starting 9. Braves need that last piece to keep them in the conversation.
December 11th, 201210:19 pm
Games aren’t won on paper. Players struggle, players get hurt, players play better than anticipated. Games are decided on the field, not based on December rosters. We will see what the Braves and every other team is made of when they play games that matter…
Hello, AGAIN, LAdy. (Should we stop meeting like this?)
December 11th, 201210:21 pm
“Games are decided on the field, not based on December rosters.”
But isn’t the goal of the offseason to somehow improve your chances of success in the upcoming season?
December 11th, 201210:23 pm
Sure, but there are 2 months before spring training even starts…that is a lot of time to make moves- and deals can easily be done in camp also
December 11th, 201210:24 pm
Probably but you don’t have twitter anymore
December 11th, 201210:25 pm
Sure, but there are 2 months before spring training even starts…
Thanks, cabravesfan – I was worried I missed the Holidays!
Jerry Crasnick @jcrasnick
Shin-Soo Choo ranked 32nd among MLB right fielders in Fielding Bible runs saved rankings with a minus-12 last season. #reds
Didn’t a certain someone tell us what a great fielder he was?
December 11th, 201210:27 pm
“Games are decided on the field”
Seem like this same thing is said every off-season. And yet, when all of the games are played, the Braves are in the very place most predicted they’d be, on the outside looking in. Whether it was the Phillies and now, the Nationals.
and you truly expect Wren to do something in those two months? I don’t. Every indication so far points to the Braves going with these wonderful “internal options” of theirs. And to be honest, it doesn’t thrill me or give me much confidence that we can truly compete with the elite of the NL.
December 11th, 201210:29 pm
The Braves were there this year. The 2nd WC is BS. Especially with us finishing 6 games ahead of STL. That being said we’ve won over 90 games two straight years. Those are good seasons.
December 11th, 201210:30 pm
Well right now I think they are in that wild card picture. Remember we finished around 6 games up on STL.
That doesn’t mean anything now. Just like it didn’t mean anything for 2012 that the Nationals finished 8 games behind the Braves in 2011
December 11th, 201210:32 pm
Dale Murphy, HOF all the way!!!
DOB, thanks for the excellent commentary.
I have no idea if Wren will do anything in the next 2 months. Just like I have no idea how the team will actually play this season. But I am not going to make any predictions or any dire statements before the team actually finalizes their roster for the season or plays a meaningful game (or several)
December 11th, 201210:35 pm
December 11th, 201210:37 pm
Cody Ross is sounding pretty good for LF now… worse than Myers, Choo, Gordon… Gyorko and Olt are unlikely, but NWIH should Schafer, Georgie, or Bonifacio be starting for us
One of the finest all-around baseball players that’s ever been in the game! I ought to know as I am from Atlanta and have watched him play for many years. I also met him in person at the Morman Church in Tallahassel, He took time to speak to every one there individualy ;If thie outstanding man (both as a baseball player and a morallly unselfish man does not make the HOF then Something is Rotten in Denmark!!! Maybe the Board needs to take a good—–hard—look at themselves. Who would they choose as their child’s role moldel our of MLB???????
December 11th, 201210:39 pm
As of now, you can ONLY judge the Braves based on what they look like today since there is no guaranty that they will make any more moves before the start of the season. Personally, I hope Wren has something up his sleeve, otherwise, we’ve downgraded way too much and made it much more difficult to attain what should be the goal – win a championship.
I have no idea if Wren will do anything in the next 2 months. — cabravesfan
IF, there even IS, a next 2 months. Wren’s, guardedly, waiting until December 22 before he makes any more.
December 11th, 201210:41 pm
As of now, you can ONLY judge the Braves based on what they look like today since there is no guaranty that they will make any more moves before the start of the season.
Which is why I said I won’t make any predictions or dire statements until I’ve seen them play…it’s pointless
but we should be able to compete… on paper, I’d say we’re worse than the Nats, Giants, Reds, and maybe Cardinals. But until we play the games, we won’t know…
The nice thing about Ross is he hammers LHP and we see plenty of them.
December 11th, 201210:43 pm
I grew up in Georgia during “the Rotten Years.” I remember my mother taking my brother and I to many, many Braves games in the 1980’s. We went to those games, and watched the rest on TBS, not with any real expectation of seeing our Braves actually win a game, but with the genuine hope that, win or loose, we might see our beloved Murph’ drive one over the right field wall. The Braves have seen a lot of great players since Dale Murphy left, but for my generation, No.3 will always be the greatest Brave of them all. WE LOVE YA MURPH!
The Braves really need to take a look at Alejandro De Aza from the White Sox. He hit .281 last year with a .349 on base percentage. He had 9 homers and drove in 50 with 26 steals. His numbers are very similar to Bourns and he had about 100 fewer at-bats. A few rumors say the Sox are trying to move him for a bullpen arm. I have never seen him play so I am going strictly off on-line scouting reports, but he looks to be exactly what ATL needs.
December 11th, 201210:44 pm
“but we should be able to compete… on paper, I’d say we’re worse than the Nats, Giants, Reds, and maybe Cardinals.”
I’d put the Dodgers on that list and the Phillies, too, if they go out and get a guy like Hamilton for the OF
Who would they choose as their child’s role moldel our of MLB???????
My hero was Lenny Dykstra
December 11th, 201210:46 pm
I believe the Phillies got better P’Cola
I don’t… Revere doesn’t do much for them, Young is toast. They’re replacing Victorino (who was ok) and Polanco (well, he was toast). Halladay may not be 100%, the traded their 4th/5th starter, and still have BP issues. I don’t think they’ve gotten better. Maybe if they add Hamilton or Swisher, yes, but until then, they’re still a struggling team imo. The Mets may pass them!
The nice thing about Ross is he hammers LHP and we see plenty of them
Yep, and he holds his own against RHP. Wouldn’t need to be the main cog here, played in Florida with Dan. Maybe that’ll get Uggs going again? Wouldn’t hurt to sign him, if the price is reasonable. I doubt he’d be a “Calipari” though, so Wren may not be considering him.
December 11th, 201210:49 pm
Not that pessimistic. We’re better than the Dodgers, even with all their spending upgrades.Trying to buy a championship, I don’t think it’s gonna work for them. At least, I hope it doesn’t. Giants are still the cream of the NL West, Dodgers will be in the 83-86 win range. Phillies will be worse than us, no matter what. Too old, and full of holes.
December 11th, 201210:50 pm
Alejandro De Aza is interesting. Don’t know why Chi Sox would move a guy whose had success and controllable for 4 years. We got arms in the bullpen we could trade. De Aza is interesting though I don’t know anything about him except the stats I can read.
December 11th, 201210:52 pm
In the battle of the DOMINICAN vs. VENEZULEAN ALL-STARS, JUAN FRANCISCO did not play for DOMINICA. On the VENEZULEAN side, 1B ERNESTO MEJIA went 0-2 with one SO as did RF JOSH KROEGER. EVAN GATTIS was no where to be seen. And LHRP LUIS AVILAN surrendered a hit, an earned run, and a walk without recording an out.
December 11th, 201210:53 pm
December 11th, 201210:55 pm
according to an earlier comment from DOB, Gattis was home for a few days and is headed back to the Dominican tomorrow, I believe (a scheduled break for him)
December 11th, 201210:56 pm
The Revere move doesn’t do much for me for the Phils but I don’t think Young is washed up yet.
As for Ross. He has a lot of familiarity with the division. Wouldn’t be bad hitting 7 in our lineup. I figure he’ll sign something along the 2 year, 15 mil that Ludwick signed.
December 11th, 201211:00 pm
I disagree with some on the buying of championships. You can most definately buy them if you have the right baseball people getting the pieces in place. The Marlins definately bought their championships but then showed how to spend in futility last year(anyone with half a brain saw that all those personalities was a train wreck waiting to happen.
That said, the Dodgers so far haven’t done too bad because they got the best available arm in Grienke to go with Kershaw. Thats 35 wins with those two IMO. That leaves 50 to 55 more to get in the playoffs. They’ll do that. Then they have 2 really good pitchers in series format.
I definately would not sell them short. They will be start the year off together which will help and they’ll be there at the end.
I know if I were a Dodger fan, I’d be real excited about the year starting. They are showing they intend on winning. I’m a little envious
December 11th, 201211:05 pm
I think that lineup could do some damage.
About the DBacks and their dumb move…
Keep a guy that wants out, trade an elite prospect…Arizona ( desert facepalm)
I think Young is done… .682 OPS last season, just over a 100 OPS the last 3, and his 2011 was fueled by an insanely high BABIP. He’s cooked.
December 11th, 201211:11 pm
Dylan Hernandez @dylanohernandez
Source: the #Dodgers have acquired Skip Schumaker from the #Cardinals.
December 11th, 201211:13 pm
Schumaker… he’s a guy I’d have liked to see acquire if we didn’t bring Reed back. Good hitter. Lemme guess, they paid 4mil for him?
December 11th, 201211:14 pm
Just read the name Sizemore on another blog. Might not be a bad idea. If he can stay on the field and he’s playing for a contract. Why not?
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
On paper, #reds team looks pretty darned good. Not sure aroldis is a starter or choo is a CF. But if it all works, look out
Now the Dodgers have broken the backs of the NL teams…
December 11th, 201211:16 pm
looks like Jake Lemmerman is going back to the Cards… 23 yr old AA SS
The Braves are not better than the Dodgers. Homerism at its best right there. And the Phillies are going to be better next season. Young and Revere are going to be better than what they had out there this past season
December 11th, 201211:19 pm
It’s Ashame the braves are done this offseason because as is, I think they have a really horrible team. Here’s why:
1. They were always horrible without Chipper for some reason.
2. 4 guys in the lineup (francisco, Upton, ugg, Heyward) will strike out over 150 times and that will kill most rallys.
3. They have no leadoff hitter. Prado and Simmons have no speed and Simmons won’t get on base enough to hit leadoff.
4. They will be without their starting C for a month.
I can see them being out of it by the AS break meaning McCann, Prado, Maholm, and EOF will be traded. I honestly think this team loses 85-92 games. Frank Wren is one of the worst GMs in baseball IMO.
December 11th, 201211:20 pm
Sigh…what a shock that Nick shows up predicting doom and gloom…
I think Sizemore doesn’t come back from a knee surgery until sometime in June.
December 11th, 201211:21 pm
Good point, Wow – the Braves are the worst team in the history of MLB – RUN AWAY all of you other morons who think we will win 35 games!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The DODGERs make me tremble in my boots – living in LA, I am so afraid to walk down the streets because Stan Kasten is standing around every corner with a club waiting to beat my brains in…
Agree with Wow
So far we are getting passed up.
We lose Chipper and Bourn. We gain Upton. So we’ve lost 2 good baseball players and replaced them with 1 athlete.
December 11th, 201211:22 pm
Are the phillies 13-14 games better than they were last year?
Do I have to open the old computer, Nick, and show all of your stupid predictions from last year?
December 11th, 201211:23 pm
NEGATIVITY runs rampant!!! The SKY is FALLING!!! Death and destruction for us ALLLLLLL!!!
December 11th, 201211:25 pm
Hey Nick, are you a psychiatrist Just shutup man, you’re so depressing!
The Nats, Phils, Giants, Dodgers, Reds, and Cards are all better than the Braves. I might even put DBacks and Brewers on that list as well. I think Braves are a bottom feeder team along with Padres, Rockies, And Pirates. I don’t think they will be as bad as Mets, Marlins, or Cubs but it will be close.
December 11th, 201211:27 pm
No. Revere isn’t all that good, they had Victorino who was better for a month. … Frandsen and Fontenot were better than Young. Halladay is older, they have no RF, no LF either (they lost Pierre), and their BP hasn’t really gotten much better. They won 81 last year, I’d be shocked if they hit that mark this season.
A lot of you are overly optimistic for a team that hasnt won a playoff series in the last ten years.
December 11th, 201211:28 pm
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The A Bomb
Something tells me even if Wren had the Dodgers’ budget he’d still be trading for overrated ex-Marlins, draft nothing but Georgians and sign guys who strike out 150+ times per year with brutal OBPs.
P’cola Brave, oh well, somebody on another Braves blog mentioned a few people Atl should Target next and Sizemore was one of them. They didn’t mention that he wouldn’t be back until June.
Nick…. it may be disappointing that we haven’t gotten a good vet pitcher to lead this staff, we didn’t add a premium player, and may have to platoon Juan or use Schafer/Constanza in LF, but we’re not going to be some terrible club. We’ll compete for , and probably secure WC berth. Lighten up!
December 11th, 201211:29 pm
I don’t see whats being posted as negativity. Its more like reality.
Dodgers have made their team better. We aren’t as good right now as we were when we lost the Wildcard Game. Doesn’t mean we wont get better before spring training but so far we aren’t.
A Bomb – you are such a positive guy…
Must be fun to abhor the team you like…
December 11th, 201211:30 pm
Nick, I don’t think they’ll be great or anything, but damn man! You sound like you’re on the brink of doom LOL
December 11th, 201211:31 pm
If we get Ross, I’d go…
Prado, Uggla, Heyward, Upton, Freeman, Ross, McCann, Simmons
I want Uggla and his high OBP up in the order… he may go 30+ again, but I’m betting he’ll be closer to 20. And that’s perfectly fine in the 2 spot. Heyward-Freeman should all be near 30HR power for us….
December 11th, 201211:33 pm
Sorry. I meant that most of what was being written wasn’t negtive. That was before I saw all of Nicks stuff. Definately negative!!
December 11th, 201211:35 pm
TheOnlyBravesFan – it pisses me off that Wren said at the beginning of the offseason that A. Payroll was going up and B. he was going to get premium PLAYERS. Neither of those happened. I thought this would finally be the year we would get over that hump and Wren has completely sh** his pants.
December 11th, 201211:38 pm
You’re forgetting that Halladay missed a great chunk of last year. When they got their pitchers back they went on a nice run to finish the year. The Phils might not be elite, but I fully expect them to be in the thick of things.
- To those saying we will win 35 games.. We might win 35 between Meds and Minor alone. We need a LF, but our staff will be better, bullpen better, Heyward and Freeman better. Uggs rebounds to career averages and Upton can’t be worse than bourn was in the second half. Calm down till the season starts.
So 2 months before spring training starts and 3 months before the season, you are unhappy because the roster is set and nothing else can be done?
December 11th, 201211:41 pm
Who knows @ unfoundrumors
Nick, as it was just discovered, is, Nick O’Brien. Apparently, he’s the cousin of beat writer, David, and hired by the AJC to drum up comments.
We have a lineup problem and with what we have now we have no leadoff hitter. Going to have to end up putting one of the best 2 hitters in the league in the leadoff spot because he is the only option. Simmons keeps being mentioned but he is not a leadoff hitter and should not at a young age be put in that situation.
December 11th, 201211:43 pm
I think Uggla could excel in the 8 spot. He swings and misses a lot for 2 hole. A high OBP and the power to clear the bases from the 8 spot helps turn the lineup over. I’m afraid he’ll hit into to many DP in the 2 hole. Plus he’s not great hitting behind the runner like Prado.
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