1:11 pm December 6, 2012, by David O'Brien
December 6th, 20121:26 pm
You know I would love to see the Braves attempt to acquire, but it is a long shot at best and would require creativity. If the Nats resign LaRoche (strong possibility), I would love for Braves to swing some kind of deal that would bring back Morse and have him play LF.
Can’t believe Revere got traded. Can’t believe we weren’t in on it.
December 6th, 20121:28 pm
Could i be first??
DOB- Any potential interest in A. Soriano? I heard the Cubs would pick up a good portion of his salary, and wouldn’t cost much in prospects. Potentially 30 bombs for around 9 mil (Assuming the Cubs eat half).
December 6th, 20121:30 pm
@Banned Poster there is no way that the nationals would trade morse to the braves. Inter division trades never happen
December 6th, 20121:33 pm
@Chris….which is why I said it was a long shot at best and would require creativity, ie: a 3rd team getting him first and flipping him to the Braves.
December 6th, 20121:34 pm
@Chris….and while I agree with your sentiment that the Nats would never trade him to the Braves, inter division trades DO happen. Don’t believe me? Dan Uggla says hi.
December 6th, 20121:35 pm
Glad we didn’t get Revere with price Phillies paid. Some experts say phillies were desperate and paid too much.
December 6th, 20121:37 pm
The phils gave up their forth starter and # 2 prospect for a guy that had a 675 ops last year. No thanks.
December 6th, 20121:40 pm
Dave – have the Braves any interest in Jason Kubel of the D-Backs (outfielder)?
He wouldn’t fit the leadoff role, but word is the D-Backs are possibly looking to trade him if an Upton deal doesn’t come through.
December 6th, 20121:41 pm
Great. Why doesn’t the Braves just stay home ;;;during ;;GM meetings and save Liberty Mutual a bunch of ;money. I’m sure the rooms, meal and etc. is quite costly when they come away empty hanaded. Yes, they teased the fans with Upton then did what they always do….nothing.
According to Heyman, Braves showed some interest in Revere. Obviously the Phillies are desperate with what they gave up.
December 6th, 20121:47 pm
Very few of us think it is ideal for us to start the season with Constanza or Francisco starting, but seeing Philly vastly overpay, guys like Victorino get 13 mil a yr, and teams like the Rockies asking for Minor and Teheran/Delgado for Fowler makes me glad we have been patient. A good deal still could come but, it might have been ideal to up Bj’s 15 mil to 20-22.5mil to land Hamilton if we were going to just pocket the extra money and start a minor leaguer. I get the concerns, but ATL would be an ideal team for him and when healthy, hes a true game changer.
December 6th, 20121:49 pm
roger, GM meetings are as much about setting up future deals as they are actual transactions. And Liberty Mutual is an insurance company that has nothing to do with the Braves.
December 6th, 20121:50 pm
Would like Kelly Johnson playing against Right handers and Adruw Jones against left handers could get both on the cheap.
Tell ya what Wren. If you don’t make a non-bench addition to the ballclub before the season starts, you can watch your attendance fall off deeply. Not replacing Chipper’s ticket draw will be your ultimate downfall you cheap piece of garbage
December 6th, 20121:52 pm
@ Chris Then how did we get infante and uggla?
December 6th, 20121:54 pm
Infante “for” Uggla my bad
December 6th, 20121:56 pm
I say we sign Mark Reynolds to play 3b….can you imagine the K total between Uggla, Upton, and Reynolds? All those sultry August games…we sure could use the breeze.
No. 1 Braves Fan
I like most Braves fans had high hopes something good would happen with the Braves
at Nashville. Reality is nothing happened unless the “seeds” Wren says are planted
materialize. At this point, I am resigned to take a break from reading all of the fan`s speculations and just read DOB`s blog. He knows far more than any of us fans do about what might be in the works. David, you do a great job of keeping on top of what the Braves may or may not be doing and letting us know asap..
December 6th, 20121:57 pm
Braves still looking at Dexter Fowler from Rockies its not a splash but at least we would not have to give up the farm to get him and he a from here makes since .
December 6th, 20121:59 pm
Ryan, giving up Minor AND one of Delgado/Teheran IS giving up the farm
December 6th, 20122:02 pm
Why weren’t Eric Chavez or Keppinger in the Braves’ sights for a 3B?
“We didn’t come here with a sense of urgency,” Wren said after 3-1/2 days at the Winter Meetings.
Some folks around these parts have been known to complain about a lack of sense of urgency…
December 6th, 20122:03 pm
Who should we go after Ichrio still out there could that be a possibility if we don’t make a trade .
El Oso Blanco
December 6th, 20122:08 pm
@A.P. it would have been nice to have Hamilton instead of BJ but then you will have too many LH hitters in the middle of the lineup, which is never good. They did OKAY by signing BJ.
In another note, the Phillies did over paid to get Revere. For the Braves to get Revere they would have probably have to give up Minor and Teheran or Delgado… Way too much when you have someone like Constanza, who is very similar to Revere in many ways, playing in AAA.
One “seed” to consider is that Bourn – who was targeted by Philly and Washington is obviously not in the plans there. Seattle seems to be the only hot and heavy suitor for his services. It may be possible, although far fetched given the Braves relationship with Boras – that Bourn may choose to come back to ATL for $14mm vs taking more $$$ from a weak Seattle club. Hamilton is getting squeezed on his demands – as is Greinke.
Why wouldn’t the same be said for the Aging Bourn, who’s skill set is in such decline that he can’t get picked up by PHI, DC or BOS??
December 6th, 20122:10 pm
I am upset that the Braves didn’t get an outfielder.But i would be more upset if Wren had overpaid to get an outfielder.like the Phillies did.
December 6th, 20122:12 pm
@Low OBPers – Bourn would be a great option, but I think there is a little less than $10M in the budget for a bench guy and a leadoff hitter… $14M on Bourn isn’t going to happen, even if he would sign for that.
The signing of Reed Johnson should be priority #1 right now. We can platoon him and Constanza in LF – both are speedy slap/gap OFs that can run/steal if allowed. Their success will be predicated with Atlanta’s true desire to play small ball. I’m not yet convinced that they are or that they buy into the whole OBP concept.
It seems that I am the only fan in the Braves nation who thinks Constanza would make an outstanding left fielder. He just needs to be given the chance and would make us proud.
December 6th, 20122:13 pm
A loser for a GM again.
December 6th, 20122:14 pm
Wouldn’t mind Michael Morse too much. If he can stay healthy, he could be a fantastic addition to our lineup.
December 6th, 20122:15 pm
We’ve got to watch the disappearing $$$$. First we had $15mm left to spend. Traded Hanson and picked up $4mm. Now we only have $10mm?? My guess is that we are through spending and are going to battle with what we have. We can kick $300k to Constanza and put the rest under the mattress.
How about this idea. Let’s sign Placido Polanco to a one year deal and make him pay 3B splitting time with Francisco. Placido Polanco is one of the most difficult guys to strikeout in the majors and with all the K’s that we are going to have next year it would be nice to have someone like Polanco in the lineup. Prado LF Polanco 3B Heyward RF BJ Upton CF Freeman 1B Uggla 2B McCann/Laird C Simmons SS. I think we should give some consideration to this idea or at least Wren should!!
December 6th, 20122:17 pm
I’ve said all along that Constanza is the answer if given the chance. The problem is this is the same franchise that 12 months ago said “internally” that Medlen’s stuff is not so good and middle relief would be his only way to help them. The AAA manager – who disagreed – is not longer here. Can;t fight the establishment and make idiots look stupid.
December 6th, 20122:19 pm
Humbug, I am somewhat in agreement. I was a fan sitting in the first row in CF the night Constanza made his debut, he added a big spark to the Braves lineup for a few weeks.
You know, he used to be a switch hitter until he had an injury (I think in the Dominican) that was not fixed right. Wonder if he could return to switch hitting?
December 6th, 20122:20 pm
@El Oso – I like Polanco idea. In fact I’d bat him lead off as the Braves have no intention of playing an agressive brand of small ball like the last 2 WS defending champions – SF and STL. Keep Prado in 2 hole. He’s the best pure 2 hitter in baseball.
December 6th, 20122:23 pm
I’d pay my Money to see Constanza/Reed Johnson play gutty, gritty pure baseball vs. watching another season of the Garrett Andersons or Jordan Schafers out there. It’s not about money to those guys – its about playing the game the right way.
December 6th, 20122:27 pm
Surprised to see so much Wren-bashing following the close of winter meetings. It’s not a trade/signing deadline, and would you all be happier if he had decided to overpay for an aging Victorino or deplete the farm system for a one year rental in Ellsbury (re: Justin Upton, it was a pipe dream and the team is better off keeping Simmons, I hope that can be put to bed now).
I see nothing wrong with leaving Nashville still with cash in your pocket, and more time to think about best to spend it. For the first time in awhile, the Braves have a surplus of $…would it be a terrible idea to use some of it to sign Prado long term? Or maybe buy out some arb/FA years of one of their many young stars (Heyward, Kimbrel, Freeman, Beachy, Medlen)?
Sure it would have been nice to land a big name this week, but this team has plenty of time to fill needs at LF and bench bats. I’m sure there are plenty of GM’s who would love to have that problem right now.
I would not rule out Bonafacio in Toronto – the Blue Jays bit off a huge chunk this off-season. I’m not so sure how they like’d the taste of our last trade – Yunel Esobar. Talk about a plate of bad oysters!!
December 6th, 20122:30 pm
Braves To Sign Reed Johnson
By Tim Dierkes [December 6 at 1:27pm CST]
The Braves agreed to a one-year deal with outfielder Reed Johnson, tweets MLB.com’s Carrie Muskat. Johnson is represented by Wasserman Media Group.
Johnson, 36 on Saturday, hit .290/.337/.398 in 288 plate appearances for the Cubs and Braves this year.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#SusIjXDRzZEkYCPO.99
DOB- Does the offer still stand to Bourn or has that since been rescinded?
December 6th, 20122:31 pm
@BravesFan – I agree. I think Wren’s gonna sit back and wait it out. I think I’d do the same. I think the issue is that his resume is a bit bruised from recent signings – re-upping injured McCann, Uggla deal, Lowe deal, Kawakami deal…Hard to build trust in a fan base when the major moves you have made have all fizzled.
December 6th, 20122:33 pm
I’m sure Mr. Wren must have seen my 2:12 pm post.
December 6th, 20122:35 pm
Just signed Reed Johnson. For a bench player, it was one of the most important ones to sign.
I’m sure if it did Boras would be calling Wren now
December 6th, 20122:38 pm
@low OBPers You could also do that, my point was that if you have Polanco and Prado in the one-two spots you’ll provide Heyward, BJ and Freeman with a decent amount of base runners. You don’t neccesary need speed at the top of the lineup you just need people that get on base, and is not like we don’t have speed in the lineup we have Heyward, BJ Upton and Simmons.
December 6th, 20122:39 pm
Sure do wish my boss paid me big money for doing NOTHING.
December 6th, 20123:08 pm
I am pleased we didn’t do anything crazy there wasn’t a deadline and we can easily open up conversations again w/ out the pressure of getting it done in time so Harold Reynolds and Matt Vasgersion can announce it. Way to go Frank, you keep proving you know what you are doing.
Someone referred to Liberty Media as Liberty Mutual. I like that better. The Braves’ corporate owner is like a tight as__ insurance company.
Love Barry Larkin’s position on cheaters! Keep the cheats/dopers out of MLB’s HOF forever!
I hope Francisco has trimmed down as I believe he can help us next season.
I have no problem leaving WM with just Reed Johnson (and BJ signing). Everybody talks about hitting the yearly budget but rarely do you guys see that next year we’ll be shelling out for the guys whose salaries are about to bump up. Heyward, Freeman, Prado, Kimbrel, Venters, O’Flagherty, Medlen, and Martinez all get raises or hit FA. And Walden, Minor, Beachy, Francisco, Janish all get raises/hit FA soon also. Considering how fiscally tight we have to be, it makes alot of sense to keep an eye to the future to make sure we can afford these guys down the road.
Bob the Blogger
December 6th, 20123:10 pm
I have no problem trying Constanza/Reed and Francisco for a while. If they don’t work out, then we can look at Gattis or Cunningham, or even Pastornicky in left. At some point, you have to give your young players a chance.
Brave New World
The Phillies just traded Vance Worley and their #2 prospect for Ben Revere – not quite the Marlins…yet.
December 6th, 20123:11 pm
In case you forgot (or didn’t know), the team Wren assembled won 94 games last year. You also presumabl ymissed the fact that he recently signed B.J. Upton, one of this year’s premier free agents, to play centerfield. As Dave points out, the season doesn’t start for 4 months and there is no rule that I am aware of which prohibits GMs from making deals other than during the winter meetings.
If you want to to see what a “loser” really looks like, may I suggest you look in the mirror?
December 6th, 20123:13 pm
Wren has his eyes on something higher and is waiting on J Upton, Flower , Gordon and Blue jays to make up their mine before making lesser deal. Per MLB-Radio..
December 6th, 20123:14 pm
Good news on Reed. I like him. He plays his heart out and hustles—-sets a proper tone for everyone on the team. His uniform is dirty before the game even starts. Love players like that.
TalkingChop.com has reported that the Braves have signed Reed to a contract with a club option for the second year.
Loser again at GM????
December 6th, 20123:15 pm
Loser again at GM – we have been a LOSER ever since he became GM….we will never be a pennant or WS winner again as long as he and Fredi are here – we need to clean the crap out of the toilet with a good hard flush.
December 6th, 20123:17 pm
I have a feeling that Upton might happen now that the Rangers have left WM. Don’t know why, just do.
December 6th, 20123:18 pm
bvillebaron….Angel eyes has as much right to express her opinion as you. She is a 15 year on girl that cares as much about the Braves as you. Get a life bully.
He’ll pull the trigger when he’s good and ready. The team sets up quite well as is. We could use a great leftfielder but if Upton, Uggla and Mac have even decent / normal years, the Braves will once again be in WS discussion.
December 6th, 20123:19 pm
I will give Wren the benefit of the doubt and hope he has something going on. By that I mean don’t go after 1 year rental players like Ellsbury who has a cut throat idiot for an agent. Getting Span or Revere would have been perfect, how did that go? Nevermind, you will see what they are made of in the years to come playing for our rivals.
Bonifacio is a very good fit for what this team needs, however once Toronto decides that they will trade him, the Braves will back off because of the player/players Toronto wants in return, thus losing out on another perfect option. Hell, maybe the Mets can get Bonifacio so that all of our rivals can get the guys that would be perfect fits for Atlanta.
Like I said, I will give him the benefit of the doubt, but if he ends up staying pat and platooning guys in LF, I am not spending a dime on this team next year. Now I am only one person, but with my extra innings package, my plans to travel to Atlanta to take in a weekend series and tour the stadium, along with spending money for hotel, dining, and shopping. Now just think Wren, if 1000 fans are thinking like me, you will lose lots of money. I knew it was going to be this way once Chipper retired. Took a step back, but will still want fans to spend their hard earned money so the rich can get richer. It is what it is, but we all have the right to voice our opinion.
December 6th, 20123:22 pm
Making no move is better than making a move just because you can (see Texiera)
Three years ago it was Heyward, two years ago it was Freeman, Last year it was Simmons. This year it could be Fransisco.
I like home grown. Maybe Fransisco can only hit right handers effectively. If so he is still valuable because of his power. Playing full time I believe he will improve his ave and OBP against lefties. If not play him against righties and Johnson against lefties.
Prado has proven that he can switch from position to position without an adverse effect on his play.
That combination of Fransisco / Johnson will out perform the vast majority of players that the Braves were looking at to fill the remaining outfield position.
Other than left handed batter for the bench the Braves are a complete club capable of playing with any other team in our division and the league.
So easy a caveman could do it...
Uggla was intra division sabotage.
When was the last time the Braves had a big bat in LF? Chipper Jones? I wouldn’t expect to see a big bat there in 2013. If they were able to get Fowler from the Rockies, that would be great. I wouldn’t mind Bonafacio either. Dude’s a ball player. Toronto will certainly have some trade pieces once they figure out what they actually have. They STILL need pitching.
DOB – looking at the 40 man roster I note Constanza and Schafer, both lefties at plate, available to platoon with Johnson. Is that a possibility?
December 6th, 20123:24 pm
Infante has horrible numbers- he’s a back up at best- Uggla’s rbis & runs scored are vastly superior than most 2bs – it is backwards that Prado who is really a 2b, too is a lf or 3b while Uggs is a 2b
@jbill Thanks but apparently you did not read earlier post. I am not Amber girl. I am not 15. I am a 45 yr old man living in Burley, Idaho. I have never been to Australia. Sorry to dissapoint you. However, Wren is still a loser.
Start Reed in Left against LHPs and start Juan at 3rd against RHPs. Let Martin bounce back and forth. Might be a little cruel to Martin, but I’m sure a gamer like him would be up for anything as long as it helps the team. Phils gave up a LOT for Revere!
December 6th, 20123:25 pm
I think the platoon will be Prado and Juan against RH and Prado and Reed playing against LH. I think we open the season like this and look to make a deal with a team that opens the season poorly.
Juan has more power than anyone on the team and Simmons give him some cover in the field.
December 6th, 20123:27 pm
Let me assure you that Frank Wren is no loser. In fact, he is brilliant as well as good looking. You Braves fans are very lucky to have such a high quality baseball strategist as your GM. Among his peers; well, he has no peers.
Mr. Wren (to you) is also a perfect gentleman and an All American guy.
December 6th, 20123:28 pm
Making no move is superior to making a move just because you can (see Texiera).
Three years ago it was Heyward, two years ago it was Freeman and last year it was Simmons.
I like home grown. This year it could be Fransisco or perhaps another Brave minor leaguer that no one is even thinking about right now.
Fransisco has trimmed down and has been working hard to improve his hitting approach. Even if it turns out he can only hit right handed pitching, he does that well. Reed Johnson hits left handed pitching very well. Prado moves from left to third and back to left with no performance let down.
I believe that a platoon of Fransisco and Johnson will provide better numbers than the vast majority of the outfielders the Braves were looking at as free agent signings or as trades.
December 6th, 20123:29 pm
Here is a thought. What if the light came on for Jordan Schafer. What if in spring training he won the left field job, (if we don’t make another trade for a left fielder). What if he stayed healthy. What if he hit lead-off. What if he hit .275 with an obp of 340? What if he gets 600 at bats and scores 90-100 runs, steals 40 or more bases and plays a solid left field? Remember the guy is only 26 or so.. I don’t hear anyone even giving the man a chance, but stranger things have happened. Yes, there are many “what ifs” but I would love to see it happen.
bring back blauser
December 6th, 20123:30 pm
did it occur to the supposed fans of our Braves that some of those deals they are proposing were pulled off and 3 years from now when we have a young home grown team that will be competing for a championship will have been on other teams and playing in the world series and you will be here complaining that Wren gave away a championship for a one or two year rental. Remember Washington was just 2 years ago the laughing stock of our division, they did not give their future away for one season. Last I saw they probably have the best team in baseball because they waited till the time was right to make all the right moves. in two years we will be in that same position and even now we can compete with a team on a limited payroll Frank Wren is doing a hellofa great job
Still he was wrong…you have a right to express your opinion. But I believe Wren will still come up with something big..it take two to make a deal. If he don’t …I really like Todd Cunningham in LF leading off.
December 6th, 20123:34 pm
We resigned Reed Johnson to 1 year contract with 1 year option. The article did not specify the contract term.
December 6th, 20123:37 pm
Sign Hamilton to a 4/100 Sign Scott Rolen to platoon with Juan. Just give Uggla away to whomever thinks he’s worth a flyer. Start Prado at 2b. Keep all the pitchers. We are filthy rich in pitching.
No one ever knows who may be injured during the course of a season. FW having money on the hip allows a mid season trade for a meaningful player if one of the Braves better players goes down.
I personally would rather see the Braves hold on to the money and have it available for an emergency than to spend it on a one year and done player or an average player through trade or free agency.
I believe that the Braves have this luxury because Prado can play LF and 3rd so the Braves can platoon Johnson and Fransisco. An effective platoon can easily outperform an average everyday player. With what appears to be left as free agents and trade options I do not see a player that will outperform the platoon of Johnson and Fransisco.
This also allows for a surprise minor leaguer to suddenly click and come out of the farm system. They didn’t think Simmons was ready but it turned out he was. Maybe after a month of the season the Braves find out that Cunningham is ready. Lots of players have effectively made the leap from AA ball to the majors.
December 6th, 20123:39 pm
Some time back, Schafer was using performance enhancing drugs, his offensive stats were very good and then he got caught/suspended. Seems like players are never very good again after they detox.
December 6th, 20123:41 pm
With the $10 million saved they could lower ticket prices !!!
Andrew Jones is available!
Frenchy made the jump from mississippi AA to Biggies.
December 6th, 20123:42 pm
Yeah man. Dump Uggla. Even if you have to pay a team to take him.
Fans can dream can’t they?
@jbill Thanks for saying that. I hope I cleared up who I am.. Yes he is a bully. Everyone has a right to express opinion. Don’t have to agree but have to listen. WREN IS STILL A LOSER.
December 6th, 20123:43 pm
If Jordan Schafer is the answer, I don’t want to hear the question. I know he’s still young. I know there’s a chance he might actually reach his potential. He got to play everyday for the Astros last year, in a less than stressful atmosphere, and he didn’t produce. He’s going to be a minor league “insurance policy” to cover possible injury.
December 6th, 20123:44 pm
without bourne, chipper, and mac, the braves could get buried the first month of the season. upton wont make that much difference. really need some production out of left field.
More than likely though, this is the team we open with.
Schafer as only had 2 good months in his career..been busted twice and should be play in Reedsville. What a clubhouse example.
Schafer as only had 2 good months in his career..been busted twice and should be playing in Reedsville. What a clubhouse example.
December 6th, 20123:45 pm
Guys and Gals
Regarding Justin Upton; to quote a great american – Archie Bunker—”stifle yourself already”! The Braves have as many Uptons that they need. Justin drags big baggage. Thanks
December 6th, 20123:46 pm
Can’t believe the Phils and Nats got the guys we should have been gunning for. As much promise as BJ has, those two have consistently been really good top of the line up speed guys for their entire careers.
At least we got Reed back.
least of the east
December 6th, 20123:48 pm
at least we resigned Reed Johnson. so we end up with both he and Maholm for 2 yrs. that makes deal wiht Cubs better
Phils got taken off by Twins. they have lost Blanton, Worley and #2 prospect, alsoa pitcher. If lee, Halladay or hamels get hurt, they are in trouble
Barves couldn’t match an exhorbitant offer like that.
don’t know why Ichiro can’t be discussed. Ross is better, but too expensive apparently (most anyone is for the Braves)
To everyone upset we didn’t pull the trigger on a deal like the one the Phils did: you realize they traded a big league pitcher and their top pitching prospect right? Would you have traded Minor and either Teheran or Delgado for Ben Revere? I sure as heck wouldn’t have.
C’mon wren pull the trigger and bring J.Upton to play left field if they want Delgado or Teheran so be it they’ll prolly be in Gwinnett anyways nor of them ! Go Bravos !
December 6th, 20123:50 pm
Wendell Miller… I like the way you’re thinking here Jordan Schafer could be a cool option. Glad to have Reed Johnson back
December 6th, 20123:52 pm
Where did I ever state in my post about Angel Eyes that he didn’t have a right to express his opinion (which parenthetically he isn’t bashful about doing)? Opinions are terrific, but do not include, in my judgment, calling someone with a track record of success a “loser”. If you or Angel Eyes felt my mirror comment was too stong, it reminds me of one of my father’s favorite expressions about people who “love to dish it out, but can’t take it”.
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