9:36 pm December 5, 2012, by David O'Brien
December 6th, 20128:37 am
“Bonifacio got traded last month from Miami to Toronto, and until the Winter Meetings it wasn’t though that Toronto would consider trading the speedster, who can play all three outfield positions and all the infield positions except first base.”
Carrollton Braves Fan
December 6th, 20128:42 am
Wren has done okay so far in the moves made this off-season. I would like to see him trade the low average (.215) “slugger”, Uggla to the American League for a decent outfielder. Uggla might help a team looking for a power-hitting DL. Pastornicky and Janish can handle second base. An outfielder who can lead off and steal 20 bases would make the 2013 lineup strong. If the pitchers stay healthy, this could be a great year!
Robert ( chi-town)
December 6th, 20128:43 am
Wren was supposed to be in Nashville to get some offense for LF so we could compete with Washington. Looking more and more like that is NOT going to happen. If he can’t get Upton, Stanton or Gordon, might as well pack his bags and come home. But if there is a chance to get one of those three guys, he has to be a gambler and go for it! Anything less gets us no closer to catching Washington anytime soon.
December 6th, 20128:44 am
Bob: This front office is so tough to read.
Some of you ‘don’t know nuthin bout nuthin.’ Most clubs for stategic reasons limit the amount of information provided as they work on player acquisitions/trades. Where did some get the belief that GMs are supposed to yell out to the masses everything they are thinking about and working on? Only in Atlanta!
bring back blauser
December 6th, 20128:45 am
give Todd Cunningham a good looking at in spring training for that left field job
December 6th, 20128:47 am
“Looking more and more like that is NOT going to happen.”
Yeah, it’s called reality. Sometimes, players can’t be found at a reasonable price, so you go with what you have and do the best you can. About 30 teams will not be standing for the last series of the year. That’s reality for most.
Homer the Brave
December 6th, 20128:48 am
I read that Scott Rolen is reconsidering his decision to retire. Why try to sign Rolen and have him platoon with Fransisco. Prado could stay in LF.
December 6th, 20128:55 am
I think the Braves want to take a long look at Cunningham he put up good numbers last year in double a and fits the description of the type left fielder the Braves are looking for, makes contact good speed and is a good baserunner has a little pop, but will not swing for the fences good compliment to the power hitters we have now
December 6th, 20129:03 am
Before we throw any more money at overvalued free agents who are strike out machines, just remember that the Giants just won the World Series with Gregor Blanco as their left fielder.
December 6th, 20129:13 am
I’ll PAY the Braves to trade Uggla….PLEASE !!!!
December 6th, 20129:15 am
If the Braves are unable to trade for anyone during the winter meetings, think I like them using Constanza as our left fielder.
Adding upton was nice sign, but they have to do more than that if they are serious about contending this year…that is the simple truth
Trade Juan Francisco Evan Gattis for Bret Gardner. Gardner bats leadoff and plays CF against righties, bench against lefties. Upton plays LF against righties, center against lefties, with Reed Johnson playing LF against lefties.
Or, sign Kevin Youkilis to play third and have him be an unconventional leadoff man (in the sense that he is slow as hell. But good OBP potential.) Prado to LF.
December 6th, 20129:16 am
they may trade him, but do not expect much in exchange, I can see Prado and possible Janish playing second base this season, makes you wonder why Braves re signed Janish so quickly, when from what I have seen Reid Johnson should have been the priority
December 6th, 20129:20 am
sign sign sign sign………….Wren says he wants youth, we have Scott Cunningham ready to make the big move time to be patient and see just what we have in our own orginization, after all look what we created just in the recent years to everyone’s surprise…..McCann and Francoeur, it was just too bad that Frenchy refused to be coached
December 6th, 20129:21 am
Colorado asked for Mike Minor AND either Teheran or Delgado for Dexter Fowler…I’m glad the Braves are balking at these ridiculous asking prices. To get Minor the Rockies would have to give up Fowler and 2 good prospects, not the other way around.
December 6th, 20129:24 am
The Braves should consider putting Hank Aaron in right field, Dale Murphy in center field, Carlton in left field, Sammy Sosa on third base, Gene Garber at short stop, Reggie Jackson at second base, and Ron Cey at first base. Kevin Costner as pitcher (He was always good in the movies) Robert Redford (same reason) Kareem-Abdul-Jabar as another picture, (That should be enought) and Michael Jordan as catcher. NOW YOU HAVE A TEAM !
December 6th, 20129:25 am
Oh yeah…. Wilford Brimley as manager… (from his movie experience)
The MAIN problem is still on the bench and has not been addressed “Fredi I cant coach Gonzalez” Untill he is gone we will with medoicrity. Face it Chipper had one of his best seasons last year and could have played one or two more he doesnt like Fredi and some of the”Stars” dont like his no coaching butt as well so looks like we are stuck.
December 6th, 20129:31 am
remember Chipper said he wants a couple of years off to be with his boys, after Fredi’s extension they will bring Chipper back to manage the team, watch spring training, Chipper will be coaching in Orlando till season opens
Playoffs Did I Say Playoffs?
December 6th, 20129:35 am
Why does it seem the Braves aren’t giving Constanza a chance to win the left fielder job? He can be our leadoff…he is really speedy (as fast as Bourn), won the batting title at Gwinnett last season, & can handle left field. I’d like to se him do more than platoon or rotate between Gwinnett & Atlanta.
BB is sooo boring
I am a casual fan at best BUT, I do have one observation. Uggla needs to go!!! What could the Injuns get for him? Probably not more than a 10lb bag of rice and a scrawney chicken!!
December 6th, 20129:39 am
No asking price could be too high compared to the asking price we paid to Uggla and Upton with Batting Averages below .250 and approaching 200 Strike Outs – Terrible. And Upton is even more terrible when he also has an On Base Average below .300 and even worse agaisnt the top 1/3 of the Pitchers, he hit .168 with no (ZERO) Home Runs.
This is NOT the way to build a winning team – and we are stuck with these big buck contracts for years to come – Unbelievable.
Uggla had a great first half last year, and a great second half the year before, seems to me that if Braves want him to contribute in both halves of the season, he will need to take a few games off, I noticed last year that after he was off a game or 2 he came back well,
December 6th, 20129:42 am
Profar might be the Texas SS of the future, but he has not shown he is ready to hit ML pitching yet. He is at the Mendoza line in winter ball and he did not hit for average in the high minors. He is probably a year away from being ready for MLB.
In your scenario you lose a starter in the 2014 and beyond rotation and a SS with more potential than Andrus for a power hitting left-fielder with a favorable, but high salary for 3 years and a high arb SS with only 2 years of control. Your adding a lot of salary for short term controlled players that inhibit your ability to lock up Heyward and other young talent — which should be Wren’s top priority with the money he has available.
December 6th, 20129:47 am
Over paid for Upton by $2m a year and gave 1 year too many on contract. We have too many guys who strike out and are not contact hitters, which equates to 8 game losing streaks. Go with Juan and keep the arms in the organization. Lets see what we need in July. We should still be playoff team with current lineup. Price tags are too high this time of year, wait for teams to dump in July.
December 6th, 20129:54 am
Looking at the five players Wren has been talking about makes me hope he doesen’t get any of them, wish he hadn’t signed the one he got (Upton). Only good move he has made was getting rid of Hanson and the worse deal he didn’t make was not getting Span who the Twins let go for only a Class A pitcher, surely he could have made a better offer than that. The biggest mistakes he has made so far was picking up McCann option and letting Ross get away. The biggest mistake he is going to make is letting Johnson get away. Overall though we should have a very good team with what we have if they keep Johnson.
December 6th, 20129:58 am
Sometimes nothing is a real cool hand.
December 6th, 201210:01 am
If Constanza just had enough power to get the ball out of the infield he would be a good option.
December 6th, 201210:09 am
if you look at what Boston paid Ross, and break it down, he is being paid at a rate of 15 million dollars a year if you break it down to how much he is getting paid for each game he is being paid, yes he is the best backup catcher in baseball, but he is still is a backup catcher. the money spent there can be used to sign someone else or to pay more to keep someone else that the team needs on a everyday basis
There’s no such thing as “too much pitching”. Like jimmy said, Hudson is getting older and Maholm probably won’t be here much longer. Minor, Medlen, Beachy will be here a while, but Tehran and Delgado will have to fill the 4th and 5th spot eventually. So, unless you are “blown away” by an offer for Tehran or Delgado, hang on to them.
I’m wondering what Wren plans to do now that Span, Victorino, and Pagan have all signed elsewhere. Obviously a trade will have to be made to fill our LF, otherwise Prado will stay in left and Francisco will play at 3rd. I’m not comfortable with Francisco being our everyday 3rd baseman, even though he’s doing really well in the Winter League. There’s still plenty of time to make some moves before the season starts, but it SO hard to patient!!
December 6th, 201210:16 am
give Scott Cunningham a chance, I bet we find gold with him he put up good numbers at double a last year, use him and Reed Johnson in left field and Prado at third……..Preacher as your utility man at second, third and outfield and Janish as backup shortstop, the better numbers Francisco puts up in Winter League the more he is going to cost another team to get him, I like the team we have with Cunningham and Johnson in left and Prado at third, just wait and let Wren make the right moves to fill out the rest of the bench
i personally think FW has done a good job this winter and now only hope he stands pat with the team as is. I agree with something someone else posted,…that the Victorino signing makes it appear FW might have gotten a deal for Upton. But regardless of that, BJ just has such tremendous upside. He is 28. Who is to say he can’t be a 30-30 guy and back to .350 OBP? plus, he is a very good CF.
at this point, i’d like FW to stand pat and let the stories unfold…to me, thats whats fun about following the Braves. Could Constanza be our LF/leadoff guy? Is Gattis ready for LF?…and if so, could Andrelton bat leadoff? Or how bout a batting order of Heyward, Upton, Freeman, McCann, Uggla? G’damn, thats powerful! And i am also interested to see what Francisco can do after tearing it up south of the border. all of these options sound more appealing to me than trading away prospects for a year of Ellsbury or even three of Fowler.
Good job, FW. Now stand pat and take this team into Spring Training,
December 6th, 201210:17 am
I feel that the best fit would be Bonifacio. Only problem is how injury prone he is
December 6th, 201210:27 am
I would love to hav Bonifacio on the bench as a utility an to be used as Cox used Infante, we have a great prospect that is ready for the big leagues that no one has mentioned other than myself and his name is Scott Cunningham, he is the ideal leadoff hitter with just a little pop in his bat he makes contact and is a speedster with good defense
December 6th, 201210:30 am
I believe Joe Constanza could handle LF, and be a suitable leadoff hitter. It doesn’t seem like the Braves want to give a fair shot, however.
December 6th, 201210:38 am
BringBackBlauser = Cunningham’s agent (but I thought his first name was Todd, not Scott)
December 6th, 201210:39 am
This team is not better than last year and last year team could not win a single game. Here are the reasons:
1. RF is the same, CF is capable of matching last year output, LF is suck because the braves do not have one and unless adding Josh H which will them be better at that position, 3B is the same Prodo can fill Chipper’s shoes, SS is the same A. Simmon is great, 2B, 1B and C are the same unless Dan and Brian are hitting 40 homeruns each.
2. Pitch may be the same or not better, Hudson and Chris M are not going to get 17 wins each. It is funny because during the championship runs, if any of the pitchers are under 17 wins, they were considered bad and now, they are fabulous if they have 15 wins, how time has changed. Their bullpen is better, but a minor change will not win them a championship.
3. If the braves want to be better, they have to get worst to have some draft picks like Washington. The braves do not want to be like the hawks or in the middle of the pack unless they want to spend some money. The braves have to show fans their money before the fans can show them their money.
December 6th, 201210:41 am
I said after the AA season TODD Cunningham was ready for Majors..Hope he get a chance..he has the tools to do it.
December 6th, 201210:42 am
hi jim his name may be Todd i really am not sure but seeing his stats makes one wonder where have they been hiding this kid and I wish I was his agent,he is a keeper and he will be around for quite a while
December 6th, 201210:45 am
To get draft icks like Washington you have to finish last several years in a row — that will get you Strasburg and Harper (or Avery and Chipper) — rebuild a get compensation picks (under the old system) and target the right guys and not be afraid to spend the money Boras asks for (most of the top guys in the draft are his clients).
December 6th, 201210:46 am
It is Todd…
December 6th, 201210:51 am
yes and I think he is the reason that Wren did not panic and pull the trigger and make a deal he may live to regret. I still remember when a young kid named Raphael Furcal whom noone had ever heard of forced Bobby Cox to carry him north after having a great spring training, last I heard he was having a good major league career, most people forget that all players were one day in the minor league systems
December 6th, 201210:54 am
bring back Blauser..just go to Mississippi Braves and get Todd’s stats..
remember Frenchy jump from AA Mississippi to Braves.
December 6th, 201210:58 am
Hello number 4 (I believe that was Blauser’s old number, but may be wrong — a number that harkened back to Lou Gherig but with a swing closer to Gary Cooper)
I agree that the internal options are as good or better than the trades or free agents — Not sure if Cunningham is ready now or is the answer in LF or if Gattis can play the OF well enough to win the job or if it should be Prado in LF and Juan at 3B, but Prado won’t be anywhere in a year or two if we don’t lock him up — and the price will only get higher as he gets closer to FA. Same with Heyward — the sooner he gets a Wright-Longoria type deal the cheaper it will be. Ultimately, if Cunningham or Gattis is in LF and Juan prooves out at 3B, Prado
December 6th, 201211:00 am
Braves lost no players in Rule 5 draft, and selected none….
Wren thinks they could have their bench needs filled shortly, hoping to get answers from a couple of guys soon. (They want Reed Johnson as RH bat, not sure about their LH options but am checking.)
Braves still looking for a LF, preferably who can be leadoff but that’s not an absolute necessity. Wren said trade more likely than free agent, particularly if they hope to get a LF who can bat leadoff…..
Braves are done with their bullpen, pleased with the depth they have now in both the ‘pen and the rotation.
December 6th, 201211:01 am
to finnish the prevgious thought — Prado could land back at 2B where he fits best. (My browser crashed as I was finishing the previous and I posted to try to save what I had written)
Good read jim….
December 6th, 201211:03 am
When it comes to making moves,the Braves management has had the excuse that they have limited funds. Now that they have funds the Braves still don’t make moves at the winter meetings. How are they going to explain that the current Braves roster is less than last year’s roster when they have more money?
December 6th, 201211:06 am
Steve ..because they don’t wish to give up what it takes to get what they need.
December 6th, 201211:07 am
I agree Jim, and yes Blauser did wear number 4, and did you ever notice that the Braves keep their prized prospects away from triple a as long as possible
December 6th, 201211:25 am
If the Braves don’t stop this obsession with left field and find an everyday third base you can kiss the 2013 season bye bye before it starts. Francisco is as much a third baseman as a pitcher. He a bench player and that all he is. Prado goes to second and stays there. This ain’t looking very good folks.
December 6th, 201211:28 am
This year’s roster is less than last year’s roster IF
McCann is still a 230 hitter who grounds into the shift constantly.
Heyward and Freeman show no additional improvement in their 3-4 years.
Simmons for a full year is not the player that the Braves, their fans, and the DBacks think he is.
Uggla repeats the numbers from his worst season in the ML.
Upton performs at less than his career average.
None of Freeman/Gattis/Francisco/Cunningham prove to be a capable regular or platoon player.
A full year of Medlen translates into fewer than 15 wins.
Delgado gets the same lack of run support he got last year and wins fewer than 10 games.
The first half Minor returns to balance out the second half Minor and he wins fewer than 10 games.
In short, we lost the 2012 Chipper, not the 1999 guy, who resembled the statue that will be erected in front of the park when playing 3B and who hit fewer than 20 HRs and fewer than 80 RBIs. Upton + an internal option + improvement by key players will make up for the loss of Chipper and Bourn.
I guess Wren is satisfied with the Braves finishing in second place.
December 6th, 201211:30 am
Computer hung up. Sorry for the multiple same post.
Remove Freeman from the list of internal options for the LF/3B position — I must have been thinking Francisco and writing Freeman.
December 6th, 201211:33 am
@ Steve we get your point dont need to post it 4 times!!!!
@ Jim hope you get back on your medication because I would hate to be as miserable as you and not have meds to help!!!!
December 6th, 201211:37 am
Real Talk, it was a computer hang up.
December 6th, 201211:38 am
What REALISTIC move should Wren make to make this team better than the Nationals going into the season? This is a second place team on paper even if Wren lands someone like Justin Upton.
December 6th, 201211:40 am
Braves are one of the teams talking to Twins about OF Ben Revere, who has emerged as another trade possibility because Twins need pitching so badly.
December 6th, 201211:41 am
It is easier to throw around insults than facts.
December 6th, 201211:43 am
Definitely going to miss Chipper Jones and his leadership on the Braves’ team. He has 14 HR 62 RBI and a .287 BA in 387 AB. What if you could replace him at third base with a player who has 9 HR 32 RBI and a .234 BA in 192 AB? That player is Juan Francisco. He’s an intriguing player. I would be interested to see how his production projected over a full season. If they don’t plan to give him a shot, they should deal him and let someone else give him a shot. He has been hot in the winter leagues as well. I would rather give him a shot than have to deal Julio Teheran or Randall Delgado for Alex Gordon who had 14 HR 72 RBI and a .294 BA in 642 AB.
December 6th, 201211:45 am
So what happens when the Braves pass on deals and Francisco proves to be the strikeout machine and low OBP guy that most of us believe he is? So a few weeks of winter ball not facing the type of pitching he will face within our own division, and the rest of the league warrants giving him the shot to take over for a Braves Icon like Chipper Jones?
So where does he bat in the lineup? Who bats leadoff? I suppose Simmons who is not a typical leadoff hitter huh? So this would be the lineup.
So that would improve this team and turn into more wins? That would strike fear into opposing teams? If you all think that, then please don’t bash the team for not making any moves a month or two into the season. This team needs a legit leadoff hitter, we saw what Bourn did for this team with a bonified leadoff hitter. They should have Prado at 3rd base, and a impact leadoff hitter in LF. If that doesn’t happen, this guy is not getting excited for next season. That is my right as a fan. This team is already much weaker than it was back in Sept. Anyone who argues that, I would like to see your logic behind the disagreement.
December 6th, 201211:46 am
Emilio Bonifacio get him from Toronto.. 30 stolen bases in only 64 games of a 182 game schedule. Get it done!
Talk about having a speed lineup:
Bonifacio, LF….solid lead off hitter, can switch hit & feared base runner.
Prado, 3B….solid contact hitter, few strike outs, better pitches because of Bonifacio
Heyward, RF…solid hitter, HR production, good speed, steal bases also, go 30 / 30
BJ Upton, CF…run producer, power from right side, good speed, proven base stealer
Freeman, 1B…run producer, good contact hitter to all field & power…beat Soph Jinx
Simmons, SS…line drive hitter, solid speed as well, move runners, steal bases as well
Smuggla, 2B (Ahmed,if we could dump him), 30 /70 production with power, HRs?
Catcher, back ups & McCann later as not to disturb line up?????
Emilio Bonifacio, would be the table setter, got to make an offer at least!!!!
December 6th, 201211:52 am
My post was not directed at you. It looks that way because its right behind yours, but I was referring to all the posts that suggest Francisco be given a shot to start. I started my post and didn’t even read the second page of this blog.
December 6th, 201211:56 am
The Braves are interested and have spoken to the Twins about Revere, tweets David O’Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/atlanta_braves/index.html#DLeJzRHUUdf1xYhv.99
December 6th, 201212:00 pm
Forget Upton, trade for Stanton or sign Ludwick. Though I would be happy, if the Braves went to ST looking at Gattis/Cunningham/Constanza in left or Terdoslavich/Francisco at third.
I am all for Bonifacio. I think he would be a perfect fit for the Braves. The only concern with him is his injury history. If that guy played 145-155 games a year, he could put up some awesome numbers. The fact that he is a switch hitter is just a added bonus.
December 6th, 201212:01 pm
Braves could have an interest in Revere, but the biggest rumor about him is he is going to the Phillies for Worley.
December 6th, 201212:03 pm
tmc: Why is it when we trade a former top pitching prospect in all of MLB (T.Hanson), we only get a relieve pitcher in return.
Because the so called “top prospect” is only a top prospect in the eyes of the Braves front office. To them, every minor league player in the Braves system is a “top prospect”.The Braves front office likes to promote players as a “top prospect” to disguise the fact they are too cheap to go after an already proven player. Think of how many times we have bben fed this “top prospect” routine and end up with a mostly minor league team.
And exactly what was the basis for giving Uption 75 million for 5 years when he hits below .250 and approaches 200 Strike Outs – and even worse has an On Base Average below .300 – and far far worse – against the 1/3 of the Pitchers that are be best, he hit only .168 and had ZERO Home Runs.
15 Million a year for 5 years – Absolutely Unbelievable.
December 6th, 201212:05 pm
Don, how many times have you posted the same comment now and how many different blogs? We get it dude.
December 6th, 201212:08 pm
from what have seen so far, as far as signings go, we got a bargaib i upton
December 6th, 201212:10 pm
If the Braves sign a leftfielder, they might as well trade Francisco, but I’d wait to see if he could put up good numbers in Winter Ball and ST.
December 6th, 201212:11 pm
Get Ben Revere and come on home………
December 6th, 201212:16 pm
Just read that Phillies got Revere
December 6th, 201212:18 pm
the better the numbers he puts up in winter ball the more tradeable commodity he becomes
December 6th, 201212:20 pm
this may mean that Bourn has priced himself out of the market
December 6th, 201212:21 pm
Phillies get Revere, Nats get Span. Minnesota must have been desperate to give up both those guys. Don know that they were asking, but its pretty clear the Braves slipped on both those guys.
With the iffy pitching and those guys running the basepaths, the Braves are gonna have problems.
for Worley and a “good” pitching prospect.
December 6th, 201212:22 pm
maybe Boras should take all his clients to Japan and Korea to play I will not miss the way he ruins the game of baseball for the fans, he is the reason many fans cannot afford to go to games any more, takes his players and auctions them off to the highest bidder
December 6th, 201212:23 pm
The Phillies sent Vance Worley and a pitching prospect to the Twins.
December 6th, 201212:24 pm
Philly paid a big price, Worley is not a bad pitcher by a long shot
Vance Worley and Trevor May for Revere
December 6th, 201212:25 pm
bring back blauser
As much as I hate Boras representing players, he’s the best at what he does. You can’t blame a player for having him as their agent. Though, wonder how Bourn is feeling LOL
December 6th, 201212:27 pm
I agree Why, but I had to vent my frustration of him out. If I were an athlete I would want him as my agent so now the hypocrite in me comes out
December 6th, 201212:28 pm
We’ll never know what the Braves offered for Revere?
We screwed up by not getting Span when we had he chance.
He who waits is lost….
December 6th, 201212:29 pm
Bourn is gonna find himself “Sleepless in Seattle” LOL!
Nick N' Richmond
Wow Worley and May??? I thought May was their top pitching prospect. That is a hugggge price for Revere. I’m sure Ben will help their lineup, but I think Twins win this deal.
December 6th, 201212:30 pm
looking more and more like it NORRIS CHUCK
Get Cory hart. Has good power, good avg, can hit in the top third or middle third of the lineup
Simmons actually projects to be a very good lead off hitter. Solid swing, good speed, can bunt, uses the entire field, and won’t k as much as bourn.
And gattis can’t be much worse than Mac behind the plate, I actually like him a lot more than bethancourt. Great defensive catchers who don’t hit will always be backup catchers.
December 6th, 201212:31 pm
You think Bourne is feeling sick now?
I’d also assume that based on previous history, and what’s happened so far…a lot of players will think twice about going to Scott Boras as their agent. I am positive if Bourn’s agent was somebody else, he would be signed by now.
December 6th, 201212:33 pm
How funny will it be if Bourn ends up in Seattle
That was the objective for Minnesota. They knew that the Phillies saw the Braves get Upton and Walden, the Nats got Haren and Span, so they needed Minnesota in the worst way.
The Braves just need to go get Swisher or Ross or Bonifacio and get ready for Spring Training.
December 6th, 201212:35 pm
I bet Wrens wife does the Car & House buying in the family…
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